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Hey everybody, Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. So a couple days ago I uploaded a video called Steven Anderson Exposed Part 1. And it was some audio of preaching that somebody sent me of a service somewhere where they were preaching against yours truly. And so Part 1 was by some guy, Dr. Stringer. I uploaded that. It was like 15 minutes long. And I didn't comment on it or anything. It really needed no comment. It was so ridiculous. But anyway, I posted that. So if you haven't seen that yet, go back and definitely watch Part 1 before we get into Part 2. So the guy then hands it over to another speaker. After Part 1 by Dr. Stringer, he hands it over to this guy, Mark Julian. And so we're going to pick it up from there. And this time we're going to listen to it together. And I'm probably going to pause it along the way to comment on it. So here we go. We're going to pick up the sermon from where we left off last time. Well, anyway, thank you, Dr. Stringer, appreciate that. And we're going to hit on some things. I can't hit on everything in the time that we have that I would like to. But as Dr. Stringer mentioned, as he goes around, he deals with this issue. I know I'm coming in, my friend from Canada up there, eh? Notice he said he doesn't really have time to hit on everything he'd like to. Notice how well he uses his time. April leaves, Toronto, you're happy, right? So Kawhi just signed with Los Angeles. But that's OK. No, I'm just kidding. But this is all real important. If only he had more time. And he's dealing with it. I know we talked to people in the Philippines that are dealing with that and others. And so what I want to do this afternoon is just address it from a biblical standpoint and hopefully come at it with a biblical attitude, unlike Stephen Anderson does and those that follow him. OK. Number one, there are some things that are right that are said. Let me say that. But they are said in the wrong way if if they are said. So we'll deal with those things. But I would like to make you aware and you can get Dr. Stringer's book, Miss Identity. You've got that at your table, I think. And really, this isn't a new thing. This is the same old stuff. Different package. And so here we are. And that's what we're going to deal with a lot of today is the anti-Semitism from him and his group and how he got there. And so you can pick that up. And then also, Mark Robinson, who is here at the conference, did a kind of went through his DVD marching design. And Mark Robinson is a messianic Jew. And so I don't know how he watched the whole video being a messianic Jew. And I don't know how he was so kind in what he said in here. But this is a good resource. And I'm going to mention that in a couple of different areas. And then also, there's a series of videos that is done on VMO, which is done by FundamentalFilms.org. And they do a good job in dealing with some of these issues as well. Dr. Stringer mentioned just going through some of the things that we do agree on. He does have a good definition on repentance. And the meaning of repentance, he takes a stand on Calvinism for the most part until I would say the last thing that we'll deal with today when it comes to homosexuality. And so we'll talk about that in a moment. He seems to be a good family man. I've never heard any scandal with him. And I will say this, when there has been moral issues within their churches, they have dealt with it swiftly and correctly from what I can tell. However, there's always that caveat, right? There's a lot of things that we would disagree on. It's interesting because most of the stuff, if you're going to find information on him and his churches, if you will, you're going to have to go and watch something on video. They don't write very much. I think they've got one or two books that they've written. And I have a theory on that. I don't know if it's right or not. My theory is that if it's on video somewhere, you can pull it down and change it if you want to. And it's not documented anywhere. That's just my personal opinion. Okay, I don't think this guy understands the internet because once you upload videos, people can download them and save them. And especially when we put our videos on flash drives and DVDs and ship them all over the world, we ship micro SD cards with every sermon that I've ever preached on them. So yeah, there's a record of everything that we say and do. So I don't understand how that would be any different than writing a book. The reason that we're making videos instead of writing a lot of books is because it's the year 2021 and video is the main way that people get information today. And he's correct that I haven't written many books. That's simply just because I'm not a very good writer. I'm trying to get better at writing, but I'm more of a verbal communicator than a writer. I've written four piano books, but I don't write theological or doctrinal books just because I'm not a writer at this point. Maybe down the road I will be, but it's kind of a funny theory how he's basically saying that I don't want to go on record or something. That's why I'm not writing. Well, guess what? We actually preach our sermons live on YouTube. So we're definitely held accountable for every word that comes out of our mouth. We can't just take it down and change it because the stuff's out there. It's burned on the DVDs. It's kind of silly. You can leave it, whatever you want to do. But I've watched literally hours and hours of videos of Steven Anderson and others that are from his group. He's a secret fan is what it is. And I'll just tell you, there's been times where I just can't do it anymore because there's no grace, there's no humility, and most of the time passages are taken and used completely out of context. And that's a huge, huge thing. A couple of personal examples that I have, I have a college student from Iowa that came to our college and was saved as a result of Steven Anderson's preaching. He trusted Christ as a result of that, and then continued to watch some of the videos and said, wait, something's off, I can't figure out what it is. And so started to do some research and figured it out on his own. The problem is not everybody's willing to do that, not everybody's able to do that. And so a lot of churches are being affected and good people are being affected. And so there's those issues. We had another young man coming to our church and was just having a really, really difficult time growing in the Lord. And so every time we would talk, there was some thing that was getting in the way of that, some question he had, some conspiracy, some thing he heard. And so I'm trying to figure out where are you coming from? Stop worrying about all of these things and just focus on what you know in church you're being taught to do. And I couldn't figure out where this was coming from, all these questions. I think Timothy talks about being, just shut up and do what you're told. What we're teaching you in church is all you need. And just quit asking so many questions, points, right? And that's what it was. It's like, why does it even matter? What is, why are we talking about that? Who cares? And so the only thing that matters is what I'm telling you to do, right? We're telling you to do certain things. Just do what you're told. You don't need to understand why. Quit questioning all this stuff. Where's all this Bible teaching coming from? You just do what we teach you. He finally said, well, Steve Anderson said this and it like, Oh, who's Steve Anderson? I didn't know who Steve Anderson was probably three years ago. And so I went and looked him up and I was like, I mean, he denies the Holy cost. What are we talking about here? You got, you got to love the way he pronounced that word, the Holy cost. Is that like some subconscious thing where instead of calling it the Holocaust, he calls it the Holy cost because it's, it's so Holy and precious unto him. What in the world does my views of the Holocaust have to do with Bible doctrine or Bible teaching? It's so funny, literally hundreds of times people have asked their pastor or whoever, you know, well, you know, well, why are you calling Steven Anderson a heretic? What heresy does he preach? And I've seen them repeatedly. The first thing they, he denies the Holocaust. First of all, that's not even a doctrine. That's not even biblical. How can that be heresy when it's not even a Bible issue? And obviously the term Holocaust denial is a loaded term anyway, because I just don't believe in the 6 million figure and I'm not going to sit here and go over all my views on the so-called Holocaust. But anyway, I just thought that was funny the way you pronounce that. Who is this guy? So that's what I kind of started understanding that he was on the scene. And the sad thing is to my knowledge, that young man isn't serving the Lord anywhere. So what, what did it accomplish? What did it do? So that's what, that's kind of what I want to deal with today. Dr. Stringer said, what, what did what accomplish? You pouring cold water on the guy? Why is it? So basically I got the guy saved, but he's not sure whether the guy's even serving God anymore. You know, he's not serving God today to my knowledge. So what did it even do? I'll tell you what it did. It got his soul out of hell. And plus maybe the guy's going to serve God down the road. It's not my fault that when I went into Christ and then he was delivered over to you to be discipled that you poured water, cold water on him and whatever. Yeah. But what does he mean? Like, what did that do? It got the guy saved. That's what it did. That they use the internet well, they do and by well, they have figured out what a lot of corporations have figured out. It's called clickbait. But if you can get as many clicks as you possibly can, it drives more people to your site. Okay, this is such a lie because I don't use clickbait. Anybody who follows my ministry knows that now some people might take my clips and my videos, maybe they've uploaded something with a clickbait title. But here's how I would define clickbait. Clickbait is when the title does not accurately reflect what's in the video, where it promises something and then you click on it and it does not deliver. Well guess what? That's none of my videos. My videos might have a radical title, but they deliver on the radical content. That's not clickbait if the video is just named what it is and somebody thinks that that's radical or whatever. Okay, number one. So giving a sermon a catchy title that accurately reflects the sermon is not clickbait. Number two, I would say clickbait is these type of sermon titles that are like, oh, you know, you'll never believe what this pastor said or wait till you hear, you know, wait for it till the end, unforgettable ending, you know, where it's just this like vague thing where you have to like click on it to find out. I don't use clickbait by any definition. So either this guy doesn't know what clickbait is or he's just making that up. on YouTube, that video is up there. Not because, you know, you've watched something before that relates to that YouTube knows and so they put it up there, right? And so you'll see that they use that. It's kind of like NASCAR. I mean, why do people watch NASCAR? You don't watch NASCAR because it's amazing. You watch NASCAR because there could be a wreck, right? That's why you watch NASCAR, right? Is someone in a wreck? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There we go. Yes. Finally. Right. And that's kind of how I feel about what they're doing. They're, they're pandering to people that are coming to watch the train wreck. Okay. And so when you go to YouTube and you look at some of the titles, okay. For instance, how to hate a Jew, right? Okay. This isn't me making a video about Steven Anderson, something he said and putting that as my title. No, this is, this is his organization putting this as his title. So number one, I'm not the one who called the video that, but number two, the reason that the video was called how to hate a Jew is because it was talking about how the most hateful thing that you could possibly do toward Jews is to tell them that they're already elect. You're already the chosen people. You're already being blessed by God. And so, you know, you're good to go. That's how to hate a Jew because people have accused me of hating Jews. I do not hate Jews at all. I love the Jews. I love the Muslims. I love the Buddhists. I love the Hindus. I love the lost and want them to be saved. I do not hate Jews. I have never hated Jews. And so we're saying, hey, the one who's hateful toward Jews is the one who tells them everything's fine as they're heading toward a cliff. You know, warning people about their false religion, warning the Hindus that they're in a false religion, that's love. And so the sermon about how to hate a Jew isn't like a manual on, you know, hey, here's how to be really hateful toward Jews. It's explaining how the Christian Zionists are the ones who actually hate Jews based on their actions because they apparently don't want to reach them with the truth because they want to just worship them and idolize them and tell them how blessed and how great they are and act like they know the Bible so much. You know, we actually love Jews and want to get them saved. And I personally, by the way, have one Jews to Christ. And by the way, a few Jews have gotten saved as a result of our film marching design. So that's not clickbait anyway, because that's what the video was actually about. And I'm not the one who titled the video anyway. Okay. Why? Because he knows that there's a certain segment of the population that's coming there because it just triggered something, right? Queer sounding music and skinny jeans. That's what the sermon was about. That's not clickbait. The sermon was about queer sounding music and skinny jeans, which people like this guy talking, you know, he should care about that too, because the old IFB is getting infected with this stuff. So, you know, he should be warning people about the same thing. This is a video about a pastor that's pastoring in the Tempe area is a gospel preaching pastor. And he's just what Dr. Stringer said, there's no disagreement here. You're either agreeing with us or you're of Satan. There's no middle ground. This has nothing to do with agreeing with us or not, okay. Acting queer and faggoty is a sin. It's wrong. It doesn't matter what I think or what anybody thinks. The Bible condemns effeminacy. Okay. The Bible says, so if a guy gets up and acts all queer, and he's in his yoga pants, literally on that church's website, their music director is doing a yoga pose in yoga pants. I mean, just skin tight, you know what yoga pants are, they're like, he's in spandex. Anyone would agree that that's effeminate. Any reasonable person would say that independent fundamental Baptist churches historically have not accepted that kind of effeminate behavior or music or lifestyle. And so it has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. And here's the thing, I'm very gracious toward people who disagree with me all the time. I hang around with all kinds of people of different views and so forth. I was calling out something that is infecting our independent fundamental Baptist movement, which is this, and I mean, and by the way, this isn't a borderline case. I mean, these people were extremely effeminate, like it wasn't a gray area. And so Pastor Polkadot exposed these types of things that are divisive. Pastor Anderson is mad as hell, okay? That's his title. It's not me making that title up for him, which goes along. I don't even think that was my title, but you know, I probably was mad as hell. With some of the things he does in the pulpit, he'll curse in the pulpit, and somehow. I'll curse in the pulpit. What does that even mean? What they're saying is that I will use Bible words, but that they have labeled as cuss words because they're on Tipper Gore's list of bad words or something. Any word in the Bible is not a bad word. And even if someone did use what society considers a bad word, that still isn't cursing. You would think that a Bible preacher would know the definition of the word curse, but they misuse the word curse, not according to its biblical definition, being the opposite of a blessing, okay? But they use it the way Tipper Gore uses it to just condemn certain words in the dictionary. Okay, but you have a big problem when you're condemning words in the Bible like bastard, piss, hell, damn. These are the kind of words that they're claiming that I cursed from the pulpit because I use these words, which the Bible uses both in their literal sense and in a figurative sense. The Bible uses them both ways, and so it's ridiculous. That's okay. It's not okay with me, and it goes against what he's setting as his own standard. It goes against, well, I guess I can't say it goes against the Bible because it doesn't. It goes against what he's setting as his own standard. When did I set a standard that said, oh, don't use these Bible words, that's cussing? I never set that standard. But it fits for him, so it's okay. Bookstores, coffee shops are wicked. Okay. Yes, they are because that sermon was not about bookstores and coffee shops in general. Bookstores are great. Coffee shops are great. He is twisting what I said here. I said having bookstores and coffee shops in your church is wicked, which is what the Bible clearly teaches when Jesus Christ threw everyone out of the temple who bought or sold anything and said, take these things from here. Make not my Father's house a house of merchandise. The Bible clearly said no merchandise allowed at church, no buying and selling. Even at the beginning, if you remember 20 minutes ago when this video started, he flat out is telling people, oh, I think you have that back on your book table. He's literally trying to sell a book that exposes Pastor Anderson or something, and he literally says, oh, I think you have that on your table back there. He's talking about the book table, and it's not where you pick up books for free. It's where books are sold, and so no, I do not believe that beverages and books should be sold in the house of God. You're making God's house into a house of merchandise. Now at our church, we have books on the back. We have DVDs and CDs and flash drives back there, but they're all free. That's the difference. And we also have a little coffee station where people can have free coffee and free refreshments because we don't violate scripture, and he's just like, oh, okay, I mean, coffee shops and bookstores are wicked. Okay, yeah, you are wicked if you sell things in God's house because Jesus Christ got so mad at that that he flipped over the tables and chased people out with a whip. So laugh it up, buddy, but it's wicked as hell according to Jesus Christ himself. The church is wicked, too. Bible colleges are wicked. Again, this isn't going to be personal, but I... Yeah, again, it is wicked because you're selling. You're calling it the local church, and then you're making people pay for preaching and making people pay to buy things in the house of God because they claim that the Bible college is part of the church, and then it's just this business that's selling things and making money, and it's wrong. I helped run a Bible college, so that's a little bit personal for me, but why is it that Bible colleges are wicked? Well, because if other people have influence on his people, then he has less influence, he feels like. Again, you know, I've done a whole sermon against Bible colleges. He's referring to my sermon, but he doesn't give the point that I actually gave. The points that I gave is that it's either not part of the church, and if it's not part of the church, then why aren't we training men of God in the local church the way the Bible teaches? Or if it is part of the church, which is what they claim, that it's a wing of the church, then why are people having to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to go there? Why would you pay money to get trained by the church? And he claims that it's because I don't want other people influencing my people. Well, guess what? I want my people to be influenced by Bible preaching. That's why I encourage my people to listen to preaching online, I encourage them to listen to other pastors of good, solid, you know, Bible-believing Baptist churches. I have absolutely no issue. He's judging me by his own heart because it's him that doesn't like the fact that I influence his people. Because last time I checked, I don't think any of my church people are being influenced by him or his ilk. But his church members are frequently being influenced by myself and by my friends and so forth. So it has nothing to do with why we philosophically are opposed to Bible college. You know, to me, Bible college just doesn't make sense because, you know, training people for the ministry, I believe, should happen in the local church and I think it should be free of charge. I don't think it's right to charge people thousands of dollars to get trained for the ministry. And so he's not in charge anymore, okay? So he'll put things like Bible colleges are like parasites. And so you see the attack. They are like parasites because what happens is all of these good churches all across America, they send their young people to these Bible colleges and so the Bible colleges suck up all the young people, they suck up all the talent, they suck up all the resources. And so then you have literally an entire demographic missing from churches where you go into churches and they have no young adults because they're all shipped off to Bible college. And then the Bible college takes the best of the best and puts them on staff and basically, you know, you end up just concentrating all these resources in these big Bible colleges, which are usually more liberal than the local churches that send the students there. So they are like a parasite because they're feeding off of the local church. The local churches actually are reaching the people and, you know, raising the children, giving birth to, raising, training, teaching the children, and then they send off these quality young people to get ruined at Bible college. So yeah, it is a parasite. There's always attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, but see, I preach thousands of sermons. I preach 156 plus sermons per year. He's only focusing on the attack sermons. Okay. Like for example, if I just go to our church website and look at the most recent sermons, okay, I preached on Ecclesiastes on Wednesday. On Sunday morning, I preached on Ruth and Naomi. On the Sunday night service, I preached about Ruth chapter two, and it was not an attack on anything or anyone. The week before that, I preached a sermon called Be of Good Courage. Then I preached on Rahab the harlot. So no, my sermons are not all attack sermons. Very few of my sermons are attack sermons. He's just choosing to only click on the sermons that are attacking someone who deserves to be attacked. And then he just claims that that's all I do. It's like these people who claim that all I do is preach against homos or something, when in reality, that's like a couple sermons a year that really actually are about that versus hundreds of sermons that I preach that are not about that. One time, I'd love to watch a video of his where he tells me what he's for. Right? Philippians chapter four in verse eight. Finally, brother, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue, if there be any praise, think on these things, right? We don't always have to be attacking. We don't always look, there's times we have to take a stand. I'm going to address that here in a moment. But how do we take that stand? All right. And so there needs to be grace in our preaching. There needs to be humility in our preaching. And I'm not real worried about his movement. I think it will fade out. And I think these types of things tend to deal with themselves. But what I worry about are the pastors that have to deal with this, the church people that have to deal with this, the people that are led astray because of this and then no longer serve the Lord and these things. Dr. Stringer did something in church. And remember, the guy that he pointed to that's no longer serving the Lord was a guy that got saved as a result of my preaching. And now the guy's claiming that he's no longer serving the Lord. Well, if I'd never gotten him saved, then he wouldn't have been serving the Lord either. So it's not like I took some godly saved person and ruined them. And now they're not serving the Lord. I took an unsaved person, got them saved, and then according to him, they didn't continue serving the Lord or they're not serving the Lord at this time. Well, at least they got saved. I mean, that's still a net gain. ...Chapel this year. And as I was putting this together, I really thought of this, living in the age of grace, the Old Testament and the law, we're taught how to treat each other. Leviticus chapter 19 and verse 18 says this, Thou shalt not avenge nor bear grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself. I am the Lord. And so the statement is, the way that you're to treat one another is to love people as yourself, right? To treat people as you would want to be treated. John chapter 13, we see a shift in that as a result of grace, and this is a new commandment I give unto you that you love one another as I have loved you. There's a change, not that you would love each other as you love yourself, but that you would love each other as Christ has loved you. Well, that's a little bit different standard, isn't it? That's something I've got to work on every single day. And for me, it seems like all of the unlovely people tend to hang around me, right? And it's hard to love them, but it could be a personal thing. I don't know. So he's accusing me of being unloving, which I'm not unloving. I preach all kinds of loving sermons. I'm very, very aware of the love of God and how important it is to love the brethren and to love the lost and to love one another. I'm big on that. I talk about that all the time. I think about that all the time. And then he, after accusing me of being unloving, flat out says that he feels like all the people around him, all the people surrounding him are unlovely and unlovable and how hard it is for him to love. Who does it sound like is actually an unloving person? So you'll notice that all the things that he's accusing me of throughout this are actually things that he himself is guilty of. He's projecting that on me. I would never say, oh, I'm surrounded by unlovely people that are hard to love. You know what? Hey, I have an easy time loving my wife. I have an easy time loving my children. I have an easy time loving my church members because you know what? I find them all to be lovable because what kind of a hateful person says, yeah, it seems like I'm just surrounded by all these unlovable people are just so hard to love. So define irony. This guy's accusing me of not being loving and at the same time he's exposing how unloving he actually is because out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh and he's telling us how he actually feels about the people around him, whether that's his family, his friends, his church, this is how he feels about them, that they're a pain in the neck and he has to just work so hard every day to love them because they're so unlovable. I mean, this is absurd, but by this, all men know that you are my disciples if you love one another, listen, the world should see the love of Christ in us. It shouldn't be obvious. We shouldn't be people of hate. If there's a ministry in our area that is preaching the gospel clear, maybe their method is different, okay? Maybe we don't agree with them, okay? Maybe they're wrong, okay? But can't we go to them in grace and humility? I never preached against a church in my area that was making the gospel clear or preaching the gospel clearly. I only preached against phony, lying, false prophets. None of these people that I've ever preached against in my area made the gospel clear. So go to them and try to get them to understand biblical issues. I think we can and I think we should. Under grace, God requires more of us. Under the law, he tells us to love as we love ourselves, treat others as we would treat ourselves. Under grace, we see the shift. Why? Because we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and he's telling us that we're to love people as God loves us. So think about that. Under the law, murder was murder when the act was committed. Under grace, murder is when we hate, right? He says, you hate in your heart, you're murdered. No that's not what he says actually. He says, whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer. The Bible talks about being angry with someone without a cause. You know, he's just oversimplifying here because the Bible says there's a time to love and a time to hate. The Bible says, ye that love the Lord hate evil. The Bible says, him that loveth violence, his soul hateth. Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee, and am not I grieved with them that rise up against thee? I hate them with a perfect hatred. I count them mine enemies. These are Bible verses I'm quoting, by the way. Okay, so he just wants to paint me as this hate preacher. We're supposed to love the good and hate the evil. That's what the Bible says over and over again. But he has just been brainwashed by the media, the whole hate speech. Everything's hate speech now. Everybody's getting banned from YouTube, banned from Twitter, banned from Facebook, and this bozo is just buying into that propaganda. Under the law, adultery was committed when the act was committed. Under the new law, adultery is committed when the thought is there, when we think about those things. And so that's with, as we develop some of these things, and as I talk about this, that is the attitude in which I want to come at this. This is not anything personal. I'm not going to attack him personally, I'm going to attack his doctrine. And I'm going to point out where I think things have gone astray as a result of his teaching. Now listen, we are going at times to be offensive, okay? But I don't think that we need to set out with vitriolic rhetoric to be offensive, okay? The crudeness that him and his group exhibit is over the top. It's not needed. He brags about being banned from a handful of countries, not because he's gone there to preach the gospel, but because of the rhetoric that he's put out, they have banned him, okay? Now, I have an official document from the United Kingdom, which was the first country to ban me, the United Kingdom, I have an official document on the wall at Faith Ward Baptist Church, anybody can walk up to it, it's right by the drinking fountain, and it explains why I was banned. It has a list of the statements I made. One of them is that Mohammed is a pedophile and an illiterate false prophet, okay? And that's not acceptable. That's why I was banned. And then another one was because I was preaching against premarital sex. That was another one that was listed. Look at the quotes of what, one of them was about homosexuality, one of them was about premarital sex, one of them was about preaching against Mohammed as a false prophet, and it said that these statements are unacceptable. That's not rhetoric, that's Bible preaching, okay? The Bible strongly and very vehemently condemns religions like Islam, homosexuality, pedophilia, and also premarital relations. So no, I wasn't crude, I wasn't being crude, okay? And you know what, I don't like crudeness either. And so that's why I don't use crudeness. That's why you'll not find me being crude behind the pulpit or over the top crudeness. I don't know what he's talking about with that because I'm not into that. And so why was I banned? Do I brag about being banned from these countries? I think it's funny that I've been banned from so many countries. I literally think I've been banned from more countries than anyone on this planet. He says a handful of countries, but I did a bunch of research and I can't find anybody who was banned from more countries than me. So is that something that I think is cool or that it's like a badge? Yeah, I think it's hilarious. It's funny how I'm just this fundamental Baptist preacher getting banned from over 30 countries. That's hilarious, okay? So we joke about it because the Bible says to rejoice in persecutions and to be honest, it's just kind of funny. It's so bizarre, our world is so crazy, you can only laugh at it. You can either laugh or cry. I go to China and I've been there several times and I've gone to underground churches and I've preached the word of God, I preach the gospel and every time I've been able to come and go. That's because you did it secretly. So he's like, well, it's funny how I go to China and I do it underground secretly. Well, you know what? If I hid what I believed under a bushel and secretly preached in a literally underground hideout, then you know what? I wouldn't get banned from any countries either. But is that what the Bible commanded us to do? Did the Bible command us to hide it under a bushel or did it say what I tell you in the year, preach from the housetops? So okay, I'm so impressed that you went to a country and in your words, preached underground to underground churches, and you were able to come and go. That's because you pretended that you were there to do something else and did it in secret. Wow. I'm so impressed. I haven't made a compromise. I haven't changed the gospel. I haven't done anything that I wouldn't do here. Oh, so you preach underground here? Okay. Except be smart, right? And so when you get banned from a country as a result of something that you do, please don't compare yourself to the Apostle Paul. You know, I actually will compare myself to the Apostle Paul because the Apostle Paul preached things that made people mad and got thrown out of countries. He was literally thrown out of city states and not allowed to come back. I preached the Word of God. I was also thrown out of states and not allowed to come back. So I don't remember that part where the Apostle Paul was setting up underground churches and preaching in secret meetings. Okay. I don't remember that part. Please don't do that. Okay. And that's what he does. Like I said, at times, our message is going to be offensive. The Apostle Paul addressed that, 1 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 23, but if we preach Christ crucified, what? Unto the Jew, it's a stumbling block and unto the Greeks, it's foolishness. They're upset. No, that can't be right. Right? It can't be right. The Apostle Paul wasn't just persecuted for preaching Christ crucified. He was also persecuted for preaching against idolatry. Okay. And the, you know, the people who are manufacturing the idols and selling them and running the temples got very upset and persecuted him because he preached against idolatry. Also, the Apostle Paul says in Galatians that if he yet preached circumcision, then as the offense of the cross ceased. So he was also persecuted by the Jews for preaching that you don't have to be circumcised. So you know, he's preaching the entire Bible. He's preaching the whole council of God. People get mad. They throw them out of the country. We have to trust our old Jewish system. Or to the Greek. No, it's my own intellect. It can't be Christ to them. Yes, that is offensive. But Paul didn't set out with the idea of how many people can I tick off? Neither did I. I never have done that. How many people can I upset? No, Paul set out to preach the gospel, and we see the attitude. And you know what? That's what we did, too. And when we went to Botswana, when we went to South Africa, we repeatedly made public statements, made statements to the media that said we're not here to go around door to door telling people that it's wrong to be a homo. I said we're not here for that at all. We are here sharing the message of the gospel. We want to go door to door and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. They confronted me and asked me, so what do you think about homosexuality? They asked me about it, and I tell them what the Bible says. I didn't bring that stuff up, and the purpose of the trip was not to speak those things. I preached two services while I was in Botswana. Neither of them had anything to do with homosexuality. They were just Bible sermons. I went door to door while I was in Botswana, and I won people to the Lord. I got a whole bunch of people saved in the few days that I was there. Just knocking doors, preaching the gospel, never talked to anyone about homosexuality until I was brought on a radio show and specifically asked about that subject. And so you know what? I took it as an opportunity to speak the word of God because that's an important issue in this world right now, and the whole continent of Africa right now is kind of at a crossroads where they've been very against homosexuality, but the United States is cramming it down their throat. So you know what? Maybe a voice crying in the wilderness to condemn that wicked sin, and a lot of people appreciated it. And he has in chapter 10, give no offense, neither to Jew nor Gentiles, nor to the church of God, even as I please all men in all things, what? Not seeking mine own profit. For what purpose? For what purpose was Paul willing to put himself to the side? He was willing to do that for the profit of many that they may be saved. Yeah, and as a result of me getting kicked out of countries, millions and millions of people heard about my preaching. After I got banned from South Africa, I had three to four times as many people in South Africa listening to my sermons. We taught people soul winning while we were in Botswana that were from South Africa. They went back to South Africa and got hundreds of people saved. They report back to me years later about how they're doing all kinds of soul winning and people are being saved. We sent a bunch of our church members back to South Africa, and they've gotten a whole bunch of people saved. But by getting banned and being on the front page of the newspaper, you end up reaching millions of people. And then what happens is they click on the sermons and they actually hear the gospel. They don't just hear the sensational stuff that the media is showing them. If they actually go to the church website, or go to the YouTube channel, they're going to get all kinds of Bible teaching, Bible preaching, and they're definitely going to get the plan of salvation and the gospel. And many thousands and thousands and thousands of people have been saved as a result. So I have no regrets. We don't turn a blind eye to sin. We don't condone sin. But we can condemn sin gracefully. If we condemn sin gracefully, the world is still going to get mad. They're still going to hate us. Because the Bible says, Marvel, my brother, and if the world hates you, if the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you. The world is going to hate anyone who condemns sin, no matter how they say it, okay? Even people who softly condemn these sins and say what the Bible says are going to get condemned by this world, okay? So you know, we can condemn sin gracefully. You know what? All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. I wonder how much persecution this guy's suffering for his condemnation of sin. I don't know. I mean, he talks about, you know, doing it underground, he talks about doing it gracefully, but you know what? I wonder if he's even being persecuted. I don't know. But I know that if he's actually serving God, he'd be persecuted no matter how graceful or nice he was. We should be graceful and nice, amen. But you'll still get persecuted because the world doesn't want to hear the truth about sin. And so that's what I want to do today, and that's kind of our introduction. A lot of these things are taken off the rails because a certain doctrine wants to be preached. And so the word of God is taken, a passage is taken here, a passage is taken here, taken out of context, and it's put to a doctrine to make it fit because this is what we want to believe. And that's a very dangerous place to be. The main thing that I want to deal with today, because I can't deal with everything. There's too much. That's right, because you don't have time. You don't have time. That's why you've just wasted the last 20 minutes saying nothing with any substance. So far, what you've said is Pastor Anderson's mean, okay, do you have anything with a little meat on the bone? You know, we just don't have time to cover everything. Well, you're not making very good use of your time, buddy, to deal with everything. So we're going to deal with probably three, maybe four different things. The first one being our rhetoric, our speech. I think we can do that with grace. The second thing, and I brought some videos. These are ones that you can find. You'll find some that are there one day and gone the next because YouTube has banned them or taken them off. And so you'll see as a result of them being extremely anti-dispensational. You'll see as a result of that, what comes from that. And so I'll play the first video. Hopefully everybody can hear it. I don't know where the volume is on this thing, but right now I just want to come to you and this is going to be my first of a series of videos that bumping dispensationalism, dispensationalism is a full stop and that unfortunately has made it into many Baptist churches. So extremely anti-dispensational, and the problem with that is you start to get a lot of stuff mixed up and it's really obvious that that's what happened. It's interesting because, yes, sir. That wasn't Steven Anderson. That was one of his connections and he did a series of videos. Steven Anderson has also done a series of videos and I pulled that clip off of his site. You'll see Steven Anderson soon enough. He'll make an appearance. Man, that is so funny. So some guy in the auditorium raises his hand just to stop the preacher and tell him, hey, just so everybody knows, that clip you just played, that's not Steven Anderson. Because it was actually Pastor Tommy McMurtry that was doing it. I just thought that was hilarious that somebody just stopped the service to point that out. It's funny. The issue with that is we've got so off because we don't understand the scriptures. As a result of that, you're going to see some things that are pretty unbelievable that someone can actually say these things. Dr. Stringer was talking about taking things from here from their little things. He's only anti-Calvinistic and yet has adopted the reformed thought on Israel. Has adopted that as part of his thing. It's so funny. They criticize me for quote unquote picking and choosing doctrines from here, from there. So basically what they're saying is they want me to just buy into everything that independent fundamental Baptists have historically taught because I'm an independent Baptist. I have to just believe everything that the independent Baptists have taught. No, wrong. I'm supposed to preach what the Bible says. If the reformed have been right about something, if what they're saying is biblical, then I'm going to preach what the reformed are saying if it's biblical. I'm not going to just say, well, I'm a Baptist, so I got to go with what the Baptists say. Well guess what? The Baptists aren't God. The independent fundamental Baptists are not God. The Word of God is the standard and is the final authority. So if let's say the Presbyterians are correct on Israel or on dispensationalism being a false doctrine or something, well then they're right. If they're right, they're right. Baptists in the 20th century have been wrong on the timing of the rapture. They've been wrong on Israel. They've been wrong on dispensationalism. So okay, if there are reformed guys that have been right on those things, if there's a reformed guy that says, yes, salvation has always been by grace, okay, then he's right. If you have an independent fundamental Baptist who says, well, that was the dispensation of the law and now we're in the dispensation of grace and then a reformed guy or a Presbyterian guy comes along and says, well, no, actually we've always been under grace ever since Adam and Eve. It's been the age of grace. If he's right, he's right. Okay. Now look, are there things that the Presbyterians are wrong on? Absolutely. Okay. They're completely wrong on baptism. Okay. And reformed Baptists are completely wrong on predestination. But guess what? I'm not just going to sit here and just pick a group and just preach what that group says. And it's just bizarre that this guy would criticize me for taking the best of both worlds, for taking the best or that which is biblical from every group instead of just blindly following my group. No, I'm going to follow the Word of God. I'm not just going to follow independent fundamental Baptist doctrine. I'm going to follow the Bible. And so if the Baptists are wrong about something, then they're wrong. I'm going to preach what the Bible says. You know, he takes what is convenient. And by the way, the Bible says prove all things hold fast that which is good. So that's what I've done. I've been handed an independent fundamental Baptist tradition, an independent fundamental Baptist heritage. I've proved all things. I've held fast that which was good, and I've discarded the junk. Takes from here and takes from there. And sometimes the arguments don't even make sense, which we'll talk about. They don't make sense to you because you're ignorant and don't understand what I'm saying. But the arguments actually do make sense. And I'll demonstrate that in a moment, by the way, as we mentioned, extremely anti-dispensational. And so there are some dispensational lists out there that are way on the other side. Right. And so what he does is takes everyone and just puts them in a big bag. And so basically, if you say the word dispensational, you are John Hagee and you don't believe that Jews need to be saved. Does he have any evidence for that? Because I've never done that. So why doesn't he supply any evidence for this accusation that I'm supposedly lumping all dispensational together with the John Hagee types? No, I have frequently stated that there are different degrees of dispensationalism. And I'm constantly telling people when they come to me, you know, concerned because their church is teaching dispensationalism, you know, I always ask the people if they're talking about dispensationalism in regard to salvation, because it, you know, if it's not about salvation, if it's not a salvation issue, then it's not as big of a deal, you know, whereas when you have people teaching that salvation was by works in the Old Testament, or that people didn't have eternal security in the Old Testament, you know, that's a damnable heresy. I've never lumped that in with independent fundamental Baptists who are dispensationalist but believe that salvation has always been the same. So there are different varying degrees of this. I've always made those distinctions. This is just a railing accusation. I've never painted with that broad brush and said that all dispensationalists are damnable heretics. I think there are a lot of good pastors who lean dispensational or have dispensational things. But if they're all the way on that extreme end of salvation by works in the Old Testament, that's damnable heresy and they're not a good pastor. Right? Well, that's not what we believe. Good. Amen. So right away, if that's not what you believe, then I wasn't talking about you. So you have you have this big bag of people. We understand dispensational is as salvation is always been by faith. Amen. That's I'm not talking about you. But guess what? There is a huge group of dispensationalist out there that believe that salvation has been different in different dispensations. And that's who I preach against. And I've always made the caveat that said, Hey, this is not all dispensationalist. Okay, so I'm glad to hear that Mark do it. But you know, I'll say brother Mark Julian, because this guy seems to be a brother in Christ because of the fact that he says that he has the same salvation message that I have. And he has the same view of repentance. He has the same view that salvation has always been by faith. So you know, as far as I know, this guy's a brother in Christ. I'm not talking about him if I'm preaching against somebody who believes in dispensational salvation. By faith, go through the list, Hebrews chapter 11, amen, from all the way from the beginning able you go all the way to Abraham, Abraham didn't have a lot of all law didn't save anybody. All Paul told us that, right, it was our schoolmaster showed us, hey, I got a problem. And so, salvation has always been by faith, and then what they say, dispensationalists belief is that there are different kinds of salvation. That's because that is a kind of dispensationalist that's out there. There's dispensationalism, there's hyper dispensationalism, you've got the ruckmanites look, Peter ruckman is a prominent dispensationalist that has a huge following course is a complete whack job and he does not represent most dispensationalists, but he does have a lot of followers out there. And I found a gospel tract by Peter ruckman that specifically was supposed to be for people to read if they're in the tribulation, and it told them that they had to be saved by works in the tribulation. And he taught that people were saved by works in the Old Testament. That doctrine is definitely out there. And so is he claiming that I'm making that up that there aren't many, many thousands of pastors that teach that false doctrine that people were saved by works in the Old Testament? It's out there. I never accused him or all dispensationalists of teaching that. Look, the church that I came from in Sacramento, California, the church that I learned soul winning in and grew and thrived in, was pre trib. And they were dispensationalists, and they were pro Israel. But the pastor was always very clear to say, we're not talking about different methods of salvation, salvation has always been by faith. And he even said the age of grace goes all the way back to Adam and Eve. Of course, this guy claims that, you know, there's a different age of grace that we're in now versus age of the law, but whatever the point is, this guy is just making this up because I've always made that distinction. And no, this is not a straw man, because there are thousands of pastors out there teaching false doctrine on this and that are overboard on dispensational as he just acknowledged a few minutes ago. There are those that would would believe that we're not there, okay, salvation has always been. He just said that there are those that believe that that's who I'm preaching against faith. And we see that exemplified over and over and over again in scripture, um, and it would help if they had this understanding. But again, like Dr. Singer said, there's no there's no arguing. There's no Hey, let me show you something that doesn't exist, right? If you disagree, you're wrong, you're out, you're accursed, you're probably not saved. You know, if you want a nursery for your kid, you're, you're, you're, you're definitely not saved. If you have a nursery for kids, you're certainly not saved. So I mean, listen to this nonsensical garbage that he's accusing me of. He's just a complete false accuser here, just a railing accusation coming at me. If you have nursery, you're not what is this nonsense? You know what? There are a bunch of people at faithful word Baptist Church who disagree with me on a variety of things. And they're happy church members, they're friends of mine. I pastor friends with whom I disagree. I have a pastor friend in town here. That is a reform Baptist, Pastor Dane Johansen, right? So how is he saying that I'm just intolerant of anyone who disagrees with me, my pastor friends in the so called new IFB, I have minor disagreements with them. Okay. And I would be glad to be friends with old IFB guys, they don't want to be my friend. I've reached out to the local old IFB pastors in this area, and invited them out to eat and try to be friends with them. You know, they don't want to be friends. Okay, fine. But I do not have this attitude that you know, no one's allowed to disagree. Hey, I am okay with my church members if they if they're pre-trib, no problem. I have church members that have come to me and said, Hey, I believe that homos can get saved. Okay, no problem. Just don't bring them here. You know, go get as many homos saved as you want. Just don't bring them here. That's what I say. Okay. When people disagree with me on the doctrine of you know, who are the sons of God in Genesis chapter six, I always tell people, it's okay, you don't have to agree with me. Let's agree to disagree. It's no issue, especially something like the nursery, every church that I went to in my life had a church nursery until I started Faithful Word Baptist Church. So you know, these are just absurd accusations that are totally baseless, because, you know, I frequently get along with people who disagree with me. And even within our own church, there are many people who disagree with me on things and that is totally okay. It's a nothing burger. Again, there's there's there's no dialogue, right? What what's his evidence for this? None given. And so a dispensation is simply this. It's a system of administration, right? It's a way that God was working through those people at that time, right? It's not that difficult to understand. And you can see that and by the way, I'm just going to tell you something. He can say he's anti dispensational all he wants. He's a dispensationalist, because never once have I seen a goat, a lamb, a dove in any of their services. Okay. That's because I believe in two testaments, two covenants, Old Covenant, New Covenant. Okay. So do I believe that there's a change at the priesthood being changed, there's made of necessity a change also of the law. That doesn't make me a dispensationalist because dispensationalism is the name of a certain doctrine that I don't believe in, that I don't accept. Okay. It's sort of like, just because the word Nazarene is in the Bible doesn't make me a Nazarene. Just because the word presbytery is in the Bible, it doesn't make me a Presbyterian. Just because the term church of Christ is in the Bible doesn't mean I'm church of Christ because those terms are referring to a certain doctrine. Well, the word dispensation is used in the Bible, I think like four times. But that doesn't make me a dispensationalist because I believe those verses. So he's just not making any sense here. I'm not a dispensationalist that's referring to a certain belief on end times on Israel, sometimes on salvation, and so. So he's not doing sacrifices. So something changed. Right? Yeah. Something did change. Just saying. Okay. Something definitely did change. It's called Israel being replaced by Christians, which he might and then that'll be banned and then animal cruelty, right? Christians always been by grace through faith, and we understand that dispensationalist hold that the church has not replaced Israel. Okay. And I'll show you through a series of videos. They believe very definitely that the church has replaced Israel. Okay. God has not broken his promise to Israel. Of course, God hasn't broken his promise to Israel, because God never promised that every single person who was born from Israel would be the chosen people. And the Bible says that even so then at this present time, also, there's a remnant according to the election of grace. So God has not broken his promise to Israel because Paul said, Well, I'm also a Jew of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin, God has not cast away his people, which he foreknew. Even so then at this present time, also, there's a remnant according to the election of grace. And so, yes, there are those who are of Israel, who God has not forsaken because they believe in Jesus Christ. But here's the thing. If a so called Jew or Israeli rejects the Lord Jesus Christ, they do not inherit the promises of Abraham. The Bible says if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promises. So who does Galatians chapter three say is the heir of the promises? If you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promises. He's trying to apply the promises of Abraham to unbelieving Christ rejecting Israel and that is absurd. So I don't believe God broke his promise to Israel. I believe that they are not all Israel, which are of Israel, Romans chapter nine, which is important to us, isn't it? Because if God did break his promise with Israel, what guarantee do I have that he's going to keep his promise to me? I don't have a guarantee if he broke his promise to Israel. Okay, and so the promises of God to Israel made in the Old Testament are going to come to fruition. Those things will happen. They will happen, but not the way you think that they're going to happen because God's people, Israel, are those who are in Christ. Those are the ones who are the seed of Abraham, not a bunch of Polish people who reject the Lord Jesus Christ. They are Polish, Hungarian, Russian, et cetera. They're Ashkenazi Jews, they're Europeans whose ancestors converted to Judaism. That's why they're white as snow over there. Chapter nine, Daniel chapter nine, we have examples of that. Daniel chapter nine, notice he can't actually prove what he's saying from scriptures. We got examples. We got some stuff. Daniel nine, just Daniel nine, okay. Dispensationalism, dispensationalism does not believe in different paths to salvation. Salvation is by faith. I'm glad to hear you don't, but there are a lot of dispensationalists who do. That's a fact. A good way to understand what we teach and what we believe is that we have a recognizable pattern in the way God is working through people living in that dispensation and in that pattern, you have responsibility, you have failure, you have judgment, and then you have the grace to move on, and that's the pattern of scripture, right? Israel is there. They didn't do what God said. They were judged, and then you see the grace of God, right, and so I hope you're happy for the grace of God in your life because I wouldn't be standing here if it wasn't for his grace. And so they're confused as a result of that and get things so wrong that we have this idea of replacement theology that has permeated their churches. Okay, so I'm going to stop this video there just because this video is already over an hour long, but this entire audio from this sermon exposing me or whatever from the two different speakers, all together from the two different speakers, it's an hour and eight minutes long. So far right now we're at minute 41 and 30 seconds, so I'll do another installment to play the rest of this and respond to it, but I mean, look at this, you know, it's a 68-minute video. We're 41 minutes in between the two parts, and there's been nothing of substance. I mean, what a joke. You know, it's just a lot of just lies and false accusations. This guy is just making things up, and so it's pretty easy to respond to this stuff. Anyway, I'm going to close this video at that. Stay tuned for part three, God willing. God bless you. Have a great day.