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Hey everybody, Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona with another installment of Steven Anderson Exposed. Let's jump into this one. Listen to what it says, Wherefore, if I come, I remember his deeds, which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words. That means there's someone who's talking bad, who's attacking John, attacking the people of God. And it says, And not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbidden them that would, and casted them out of the church. See here's a preacher who doesn't treat the brethren right, and in the end he cast them out of the church, for little to no reason. Now wait, there is what they call, churching people in the scriptures, but you gotta do it scripturally right, and spiritually right. There's a process, and it doesn't happen in one day, and it doesn't happen because the preacher thinks it should just happen. The Bible teaches you have ought against somebody, and they sin against you, you go to them, and you make it right. And if you don't make it right, they come to you and say you need to get right. And if you won't get right, they go get another witness or two, and they come and say you need to get right. You won't get it right. You bring it before the church then, and if you won't get it right, that's when he's gotta leave. That's how it's supposed to be done. And look it, and if he gets it right at any point, he gets to stay. That's the way it works. It doesn't work because the preacher says I don't like the way he believes, he doesn't believe like I do, we've got one point difference between each of us, and so I'm kicking him out. That is not Bible. That is not close to Bible. That's a dictatorship. That's warding over God's people. Say why are you going to do that? Because I want you to hear a preacher. God told me to do this. I wasn't going to do it, but I want you to hear a preacher. Listen to this blasphemous garbage. I wasn't going to do it, but God told me to do it. This is a big pet peeve of mine, these people who claim that God told them this and God told them that. The Bible says every word of God is pure. He's a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words lest he reprove thee and thou be found a liar. And you know what? All of these guys who say God told me to do this, God told me to do this, they're lying. God told them to do that. And if somebody tells me that God told them something, then I ask them to show me chapter and verse. And if not, if they don't have a chapter and verse, then I ask them, well, should I grab a pen and write that in the back of my Bible as a new revelation from God? You know, these extra biblical revelations are garbage and to sit there and say, well, I wasn't going to do this, but then God told me to do it. You know who actually told him to do that is himself. It's his own imagination. These people imagine things out of their own wicked heart. And then they'd say, Oh, this is what God told me. God said to me, you know, I was in the shower and God spoke to me and said, X, Y, and Z. It's a bunch of garbage. But anyway, to the substance of what he's saying here, he's talking about Matthew 18, which is talking about someone being thrown out of the church when there's actually a personal issue between two people. When one person sins against another, you know, if thy brother trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone. And if you shall hear thee, thou has gained thy brother. And then you get the two or three witnesses and take it to the church. That is talking about when someone wrongs you personally. Okay. But that is not the only scripture about throwing people out. First Corinthians chapter five clearly teaches that anyone who is called a brother who is a fornicator, a drunkard, an extortioner, a railer, an idolater, covetous, put away from among yourselves that wicked person. Don't even eat with them. Get rid of that person. Throw that person out. Now, obviously, if they repent, of course, they're welcome to come back. But to sit there and just use Matthew 18 and say that that's the only example false. That is not the only way to throw people out. And if you can't help it in one day, well, do you have chapter and verse on that? You know, if someone's openly living in fornication and unrepentant about it, how many days does that take? You know, for us to say, sorry, you can't come to church here. Also, when people are creeping in with damnable heresy, which he calls, you know, disagreeing with me on one little doctrine, one little thing you hear you want to know what that one little doctrine is. It's the Trinity, not a little doctrine, folks. It's the foundation of our faith. I mean, who God is, who Jesus Christ is. And so the Trinity is a huge deal. Does this guy think it's okay for us to have church members that deny the Trinity and we should just worship and serve with people that deny the Trinity? Can two walk together except they be agreed? You know, and let me just make this real clear. People who don't believe in the Trinity are not saved. That is a salvation issue. When you have people teaching that the Trinity is a false doctrine, just take it to the bank. They're not saved. Okay. And so we threw a guy out of our church who said that the Trinity was pagan. The Trinity was polytheistic. And he said that Jesus is God the Father, not that he's the Son of God, not that it's three persons, one God, not that the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost are God. But no, Jesus is the Father. There's no Trinity. It's called modalism or oneness. It's mainly believed by the oneness Pentecostals. And so, you know, that's not a little issue. That's a major, major issue. So when people are teaching damnable heresy in the church and they were confronted about it and they were given multiple chances to recant that doctrine and they were taught the truth on it because the guy he's going to bring up in a minute is Dominique Davis. I mean, that's a guy that heard clear teaching on the Trinity for months. He had people talk to him about it personally. But again, why would this pastor know anything about that? He's talking about things that he doesn't understand. As you're going to see in a moment, he doesn't know the situation. He wasn't even there. So how can he judge the situation that he wasn't even there for? All he knows is that we threw out people who denied the Trinity. And this guy says that that's just a little disagreement. That's a huge disagreement. And that is something that we will break fellowship over. We will not fellowship with people who deny the doctrine of the Trinity. So anyway, you know, if someone is non Trinitarian, if someone is a drunkard, if someone is a fornicator, they get thrown out of the church. OK, it's that simple. And so, you know, for him to just pull out Matthew 18, it's not even relevant. That's that's for when one person trespasses against another. But anyway, let's go on here. And I'm going to tell you what the man says. Man comes up to him in the middle of service. By the way, if you came up to the service today, I want to pray. I'd say, well, let's pray, guys. He's got a very obviously he's got a need. You come up here to say, I mean, I need prayer. That's what this guy said. He comes up. I want to pray. OK, so he's already lying about the situation that he knows nothing about. He's going to play audio in a minute to show that what he's saying is not accurate. He just said that the guy said, I want to pray or can I get some prayer? I would like to pray. That is not what the guy said. As you're about to hear for yourself, this preacher, this guy says, can't you show me a little grace? And the preacher says, I can't do that. No way. Now, listen to it. It's only about 20 seconds, maybe long. We will say, but I want you to hear it. And the reason I want you here, because this is not how it's supposed to be done. This guy is not right, of course, because this guy causes me issues often. So I want you here. First of all, Dominique Davis, that's why he wasn't here last Sunday, has been thrown out because he says, oh, God's not three persons. God's only one person. What? Hey, sit down, sit down. What do you what are you coming up here to do? You want you want to come take over the service? What do you want? What? I just want a prayer. Get out of here. Notice what he said. I just want a prayer read. He didn't say, I want to pray. Will you pray for me? Can I get some prayer? No, that's not what he said. The guy walked up and he was unfolding a piece of paper as he walked up to me and he said, I just want a prayer read. He holds out the paper to me. I looked at it. And it was some weird, insane garbage that he wants me to read. Let me explain something to you. Prayers are not something that you read. OK, you know, when I pray, if somebody says, hey, would you open the service in prayer? I don't pull out a piece of paper and read it. You know, that's what all the phony preachers do down at the presidential prayer breakfast. You know, they they read their prayer. They read some prayer. The guy said, I want a prayer read. You heard the audio for yourself. He holds out a piece of paper. I glanced at the piece of paper, read over it a little bit, glanced at it and said, this is weird. This is garbage. And another thing that he's not telling you is that this guy who walked up to me with this paper, with a sketchy, weird prayer that he wants read on it, said in the parking lot that he was Michael the Archangel. The guy was literally suffering from probably drug induced psychosis. And he is just completely crazy. It's clinically called religious grandeur delusion. And he told our people in the parking lot that he was Michael the Archangel. So we've got a literal lunatic thinking that he's Michael the Archangel. While I'm in the process of dealing with a serious issue of church discipline, of getting rid of somebody who's denying the Trinity, one of the core doctrines of our Christian faith, and then this literal insane person wants me to read some insane prayer because he thinks that he's Michael the Archangel. OK, but again, this guy just talks about things he doesn't understand. This is the same pastor who accused me of supporting Hinduism and all this crazy stuff. Can I get a little grace? No, you can't. No, you get out of here. Get him out of here. Drag this bozo out. Pull him out. Hey, help him out. Get him out. A bunch of guys getting up and dragging him out, literally. Literally. They got a split screen. They show you that he's throwing him into the pew. I don't know what he's talking about. They've got a split screen. I don't know what he's talking about because none of our church services have a split screen. So somebody edited some video collage or something because somebody pulled out their cell phone and filmed something. I can't control what people film with their cell phone and what they edit. Take over the service? We'll throw you out of here, buddy. This church is not a free for all. This isn't an open mic. This isn't a karaoke bar. OK, I'm the man of God here. I meet the qualifications. I run this church. And if you don't like it, then get out. Now, let's stop and think about this for a minute. I'm in the middle of a major fight. There's a faction that has crept into our church and has been secretly behind my back for months, been teaching that the Trinity is pagan, that the Trinity is polytheistic and teaching this oneness, modalist, Pentecostal junk. And I had to deal with it. I had to clean house. Well, you know what? Part of leadership is that sometimes you have to get in and fix things and be decisive and fight the battles. And you know what? You have to have the stomach sometimes to fight these battles. OK, so I'm not sorry, I'm not just going to handle people with kid gloves when it turns out there's been this damnable heresy that people have been spreading throughout the church. You know what? Surgery needed to be performed and the cancer needed to be cut out. And, you know, here we are several years later and our church is doing great and thriving because we cut out the cancer and we got rid of it. We got rid of that faction. We threw them out where they belong because denying the Trinity is damnable heresy. So I had to get up and basically take control of the situation and fix things because of the fact that there had been this evil plotting going on behind my back with people teaching damnable heresy. I'm the bishop. OK, the word bishop literally means overseer. And so it's my job to guard the flock because grievous wolves are going to come in. And so it's my job as the overseer to make sure that the flock is kept safe and to protect them from these evil wolves. And that's what I was doing. And obviously the devil is going to take the opportunity to mess with us when we're in a fight. So we're dealing with this fight with these oneness bozos. So then, of course, he's going to send some demon possessed lunatic who thinks that he's Michael the Archangel just to disrupt the service and cause more problems. You know, it's easy for this guy in his do nothing, be nothing, accomplish nothing church to sit in judgment of us who are, you know, doing big things for God, dealing with things. And, you know, I'm in a service on Sunday morning with several hundred people there, you know, dealing with a major fight. And, you know, I'm supposed to just roll over and say, sure, demoniac, you want us to call you Michael the Archangel? Sure. Go ahead. Let's read your your weird rambling prayer that you've written on a piece of paper. No, sorry. Not going to happen. You know what? I'm sorry. I don't believe that churches should be like a karaoke bar or an open mic. I don't believe that any random weirdo off the street should just be able to walk in and take control of the service. No, I believe that the qualifications are there for a reason and that we shouldn't just let anybody get up behind the pulpit and speak. I think that people should be tested and proved and we should know who they are before just allowing them to preach to the congregation. So this is not the guy tore the man down and then lifted himself up. You tore the man down. The guy was literally an insane person. The guy said, can you I want to pray. He says, get this bozo out of here. Well, can you show me some grace? No way. But he said, no way. I'm not going to show you any grace. What I just read in in Third John 110 is exactly what that guy did. Yeah, because that lunatic is the apostle John. And he lifted himself up. I'm the man of God. Why do you have to tell everybody he's the man of God? Why did I have to tell everyone that I was the man of God? Because someone was trying to take over the service. And there was a faction in our church that was trying to change the doctrine of the church and bring in an evil, damnable heresy. So I had to basically assert my authority to fix the problem. That's why particularly pick on this guy, but there are a lot of preachers out there like that. I tell you, I tell you, you know, like to say this, if I tell you I'm the man of God, I'm not the man of God. I tell you, I'm the head of the church. I'm not the head of the church. If I tell you I'm the pastor, I'm not the pastor. I tell you, I'm running things here. I'm not running things here. You understand? OK. This is the stupidest argument. I've heard it so many times. He's not the only one who's pulled that, you know, if you have to tell people that you're the boss, then you're not. If you have to tell people you're in charge, then you're not in charge. You should never have to say that. Well, that's funny. Did you ever read this book called The Bible? Because you know what God says over and over again in the Bible as he gives commandments and gives orders, you know what he says over and over again? He says, I am the Lord. Do this. I'm the Lord. Don't do that. I'm the Lord. I'm the Lord. I'm the boss. That's what God says over and over again in the Bible, my friend. So it always boggles my mind when people pull out this little cute little argument of, well, if you ever have to say that you're the boss, that must mean that you're not the boss. Well, you know what? There were times when my parents had to tell me when I was a kid that they were the boss. And they had to say sometimes, hey, I'm your mom. Do it because I said so. I'm your dad. Do it because I said, well, then you guys aren't really the boss then. That's a dumb argument because God himself repeatedly says, just do a little search on the statement, I am the Lord, where he basically just asserts, hey, look, I'm the Lord. I'm God. I'm the boss. He says that over and over again. So does that mean that he's not the boss? Sorry. Your little cute saying doesn't line up with scripture. OK, you know, in a perfect world, no husband would ever have to tell their wife that they're the boss. No parent would ever have to tell their child that they're the boss. No boss at work would ever have to tell their employee that they're the boss. But guess what? In real life, sometimes people have to remind followers who's in charge and say, look, I'm the bishop of the church. God has put me as overseer and we are not going to have a debate on the Trinity. We're not going to have a debate on whether salvation is by grace or through faith. We're not going to have a debate on whether we're going to use the King James Bible. You know what we're going to do? We're going to do it the right way. OK, and the leader who's qualified steps in and leads the church in the proper direction. It's not a democracy where basically it's just whatever's popular. That's what we're going to do. What if 51 percent of the church wants the NIV? What if 51 percent of the church wants a rock band? What if 51 percent of the church wants to deny the Trinity? It's not going to happen, folks. OK, that leadership exists in the church for a reason. OK, and so this guy doesn't like it. I don't really care. It's biblical. I shouldn't have to tell you that. Yeah, you shouldn't, but sometimes you do. That's life. That means I haven't done my job right. By the way, that's not the only video I have of him doing that. So basically what he's saying is that any time a follower rebels and has to be reminded who is in charge, then the leader's not doing their job right. That's funny because billions of people have rebelled against God over and over again. And so God has to assert his authority and tell them, I'm the Lord. But does that mean that God's not doing his job right? So every wife who rebels against her husband, it means the husband's not doing his job right. Every child who rebels against their parents, it means that the parent's not doing their job right. Every employee who rebels against their boss, it means that the boss is not doing their job right. Or maybe rebellion is the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. So, you know, again, this is just his unbiblical garbage opinion saying that, you know, well, and if people have to be reminded who's in charge, then the leader's not doing his job right. No, sorry, the world's not a perfect place. People are sinful. And so people make mistakes and sometimes people need a rebuke or reproof or a reminder. And we do not believe that the church should be a karaoke bar or free for all or an open mic. OK, God ordained leadership in the church for a reason. It's that simple. We had we got some of his members because he did the same thing to them. They came and stayed here for about three years. Then they found a church down by where they live because they were coming from traveling a long way. They found a church down there and that's where they're going now. So basically what he's saying is he doesn't respect church discipline. So people get thrown out for denying the Trinity and he'll take them in. And basically they're welcome at his church. You can be an unsaved, damnable heretic who denies the Trinity and you're welcome at his church. What about when we've thrown out people because they were found to be a sodomite or something? Is he going to take them too? Is he just going to take everybody who gets thrown out? Because we should respect the church discipline of other churches. If a church throws someone out for a legitimate reason such as drunkenness, fornication, extortion, damnable heresy or what or through the Matthew 18 process, we should respect that church discipline. He doesn't respect that. He's just like, oh, great, I finally can have a couple more members. He's just so starving for members. He'll take the trash that's thrown out of Faithful Word Baptist Church and, oh, he did the same thing. Well, if I did the same thing to those people three years ago, that means that they must deny the Trinity because that's what I was doing on that Sunday morning, throwing people out who denied the Trinity. So I guess Trinity deniers are welcome at Lookout Mountain Baptist Church, apparently. So we're kicking you out and instead of lifting up what's good in them and saying, look, this man got saved. Look at the things he's done for God. Yeah, let's just find the good in you. I mean, I know you deny the Trinity, but let's just find the good in you. What about your good points? What about what we like about you? Oh, I know you're a sexual pervert, but you know what? What about all the good things about you? I mean, I know you're a lunatic who claims to be Michael the Archangel and wants to take over the service and ramble like an insane person. But what about all your good points? You said kick them out because we don't want to deal with them. What kind of counsel is that? What if you came into my office and I said, I don't have any answers for you. Get out of my office. People aren't looking for counsel. They're looking. You know what I need to do as a preacher? If I don't know the answers, I said, I better find the answers. I know the answers because the book's got the answers. The answer is the Trinity. What was the question? I'm going to look it up. Hey, that's a good question. I actually said that to Kevin. That's a good question. You got too many good questions. I'm sick and tired of no one. People didn't have any questions. Come up with good questions. I got to find some good answers. I got the answers. They didn't have any questions. They wanted to find the Trinity. By the way, I've never kicked anybody out like that ever. And I pastor two different churches at one time. So I'm just saying I never kicked anybody out like that. No way would I have done that. Why? Cause I don't want to damage the person. Huh? Give them opportunity. That's what, by the way, that's what, that's what church discipline is to give them an opportunity. How does he know what opportunities these people have? Mercy. Dominique Davis had opportunity for months to repent of his damnable heresy, but he didn't repent of it because he's evil. He's wicked. He's a reprobate. He's unsaved. He was an infiltrator. Okay. He had every opportunity. Why is he claiming that I didn't give him an opportunity? Okay. He doesn't know the situation. He didn't know the situation about the lunatic. I mean, I don't know if he's just willfully ignorant of the situation about the people who were denying the Trinity, but you know, this guy just is talking about things that he doesn't understand. Show them grace. That's what Christians are supposed to do. I'm so tired of the preachers and the Christians thinking they're God. I'll give you, I'm going to finish with this illustration. And I don't know if you've ever done that. I don't know why God had me preach this. God didn't have you preach this. You blasphemous idiot. How can he sit there and say, I didn't want to do this. I didn't want to play this clip. I didn't want to play this clip, but God told me to play this audio clip. That's what he said at the beginning. I mean, think about what he's saying. So it's just like, you know, play that Steven Anderson clip to your church, but I don't want to God play it. I mean, what kind of stupidity is this that the guy's saying? All right, let's jump forward because he tells a, an unrelated story about Alabama or something to jump forward here. A guy comes up, doesn't know him from Adam and just says, we'll think. Cause she's the great prophet. How does he know whether I knew the guy from Adam? Didn't know him. I'm telling you what he did. He did exactly what the Bible says right here. He told people he was Michael the Archangel. Mercy, grace, faith, love. What kind of loves that when you come up to a man you don't even know? I told you this guy who is just preaching. He's the same guy that had that track. I was telling you, had no references to the scriptures that he put on there. Because it's all about him. Okay. So here's, here's my track and let's see if it has references to the scriptures. What do we got there? We got Romans 3 23, Romans 6 23, Romans 10, nine, Romans 6 23, Romans 10, 13, bunch of Bible verse on them. What are you talking about? This is, this is our church track. We've had the same plan of salvation on the back of our tract for 15 years now. So what it, why is he claiming that we had a tract that doesn't have any references to the scripture? Cause it's just all about me. Again, this guy just has a lot of railing accusations. If you heard it, you heard it. I'm the man. I run the show. First thing, and when I first heard that, I said, I thought Jesus run the church. Well, that's kind of funny because I've, I've been a pastor for 15 years. And before that I was in church my whole life. And I've never seen Jesus actually physically show up and run a church. You know, I guess we should just all go to church and just sit down and everybody's going to be like, Hey, you know, is the service going to start? I mean, is somebody going to preach is, is are we going to sing a song? It's just like, well, Jesus is going to run the church. You know, we're, we're just, we're waiting for Jesus to run the church. This is so ridiculous. Okay. The Bible teaches that God has put men in charge of overseeing the church. I mean, God has made us overseers, the Bible says. And, and so what is he talking about? I thought Jesus runs the church. It's this holier than thou hyper-spiritual garbage of saying, well, Jesus is the one who runs our church. You know, when, when in reality, obviously there has to be a human being on site, actually running the church, making decisions, taking care of things that need to be taken care of preaching the message, but it's just a total hyper-spiritual holier than thou kind of talk. Like, you know, how dare you say that you're the man of God? How dare you say that you're running a service? How dare you say that you're an overseer? How dare you? Well, because that's what I am. Because God is up in heaven and we're down here on earth. And God said to us that what we bind on earth will be bound in heaven. And what we loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. And the Bible says that the Holy Ghost has given us the oversight of the church. So we're not just sorry. We're not just going to sit back and say, well, let Jesus run the church. No, Jesus is the head of the church. And it's our job to follow Christ and specifically to follow the words of Christ. You know, we have the New Testament as our final authority for all matters of faith and practice. So Jesus is the boss of the church because the Bible trumps everything. The Bible trumps me. I'm not the head. I am the deputy. I am the lieutenant. You know, I am a person that God has put as an under shepherd. Jesus is the chief shepherd. But I have to physically literally run things according to the wishes of Christ, according to God's word, because he's not going to show up and personally do it. That's absurd. I said, look, when I took this church here, man was running this church because they were incorporated. We got unregistered. Why? So that God could run it because the government was running this church. We didn't want the government run the church. We wanted God to run the church. We wanted him sitting on the throne, not man sitting on the throne. We didn't want two governments. You couldn't have the autonomy of the local New Testament church with the government of the United States running it and Jesus Christ. That's two governments. That's not autonomy. It taught me to run. Enough with this garbage. Okay, so here's what he basically. So basically according to this guy, 99% of independent Baptist churches that are preaching the gospel, they're all being run by the government, according to him. And remember, these are the same guys that are scared of secret agents infiltrating their tiny church. Okay, that they're being infiltrated by secret Jesuit agents. This is so stupid to say that the US government is running any church that actually has a legal existence and is actually incorporated in the state of Arizona. Okay, now listen, Faithful Word Baptist Church is an Arizona nonprofit corporation. Okay, so our church is actually legal. We have a legal existence. Now, yeah, there are other ways to have a legal existence as a church. Like for example, you could have it be owned by the pastor, for example, but that'd be weird, wouldn't it? But no, a corporation means that basically the entire congregation, okay, are the church owns the property, not one person, not any group of people except the entire group because Faithful Word Baptist Church as a corporate body owns the properties, not one person or a board of people or whatever. Now, people get freaked out about the word corporation just because of their ignorance, because the word corporation comes from the Latin root word corpus, which means body, and the Bible calls the church a body. And what a corporation is, is that basically it's the whole body as a whole acts as one. So that basically, you know, this church van, it's not owned by Pastor Anderson, it's not owned by Brother Segura, it's owned by the church. And this is what's called in legal terms, a fictitious entity, because there's not actually like this giant person called the church. It's just a concept, you know, that the group of people together form a body or corpus or corporation that owns it. You know, but again, you hear this garbage constantly online of just, oh, all these incorporated churches, you know, blah, blah. And how many times do these unincorporated churches turn out to be committing financial fraud, which is why they want to be totally off the books. I'm not accusing him of any financial fraud. But I'm saying that when you don't have a legal existence, when you're not actually properly incorporated according to the laws, and following the laws and rendering unto Caesar the things that be Caesar's, then it opens the door for it to be very easy for fraud to take place, because there's no actual legal existence for the church, or there's some kind of a shady legal existence where it's owned by the pastor personally, or whatever these different models do. But guess what? That's why 99% of gospel preaching, biblical churches are incorporated, about 1% aren't. And guess what? You can guess how big the churches are that aren't, okay? Because that's how they can get away with it, because they're so small that nobody cares, okay? But the thing about this thing of, you know, oh, it's being run by the US government, you can't have two masters, Christ has to be the head of the church. Okay, so let me ask this. What if the law says that we have to have a certain number of exit doors, and that we have to have a fire extinguisher in certain places? Am I just gay? How dare you? Christ is the head of the church. You're not God. How dare you tell me to have a fire extinguisher? How dare you make me put up an exit sign? I will die on this hill because Christ is the only head of this church, and the US government... That's stupid, my friend. The Bible says to obey every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake. So if the government says that, you know, we have to do things on the up and up, and legally, and that, you know, we can't use church money on personal stuff, but that it has to be used for that which is religious, educational, and charitable, which is all we ever wanted to use our money on anyway, that we can't just filter all our money to some political candidate or something, which we don't want to do anyway, because these politicians are all a bunch of idiots anyway, and politics are meaningless. It's the work of God that matters. But look, if the government tells us to have a fire extinguisher, we're gonna have a fire extinguisher. If the government tells us to put up an exit sign, we're gonna put up a stupid exit sign. If the government wants us to have egress, if the government wants us to do these things, hey, you know what, we're gonna follow that, and that doesn't mean that Christ isn't head of the church or something. This is absurd. If Christ is the head of the church, then shouldn't we do what Christ said? Christ said to render unto Caesar the things that be Caesar's, and what's that talking about? It's talking about carnal things. He held up a coin and said, render unto Caesar the things that be Caesar's. Well, here's the thing. The government regulates carnal things about our church, like exit signs and fire extinguishers, and they have rules that say, hey, you can't just take up a collection on the offering plate and then just give the money away to people to use on their personal expenses, or for the pastor to buy a car with, or to buy a house with, or to buy fancy clothes with, or whatever. Those rules all make sense anyway. That's stuff that we weren't gonna do that stuff anyway. And so the government has rules about our parking lot or something, or if they have rules about painting the building a certain color or something, render unto Caesar the things that be Caesar's. It doesn't matter. Now, if the government tries to tell us something about how we're doing spiritually, if they say, hey, you have to preach differently, then we're not gonna obey them because we only have one master, which is Christ. So Christ rules the church spiritually when it comes to the doctrine, the preaching, the music, whatever. But I guess according to this guy, the government can't tell us anything. Christ has to personally come and tell us how many smoke detectors to have or whatever. I mean, I get so sick of this garbage. You know what? I guarantee you there are people who are watching this video right now who are these idiots who go around saying, every 501c3 church is bad and every church should be unincorporated and whatever. And you know what? You idiots who are gonna tell me how you're gonna unsubscribe. Good, go ahead and unsubscribe because you know what I've learned about people like you who whine about every church being 501c3? You guys don't go to church anyway, okay? We had a church in town here in Phoenix that was totally unincorporated, non 501c3, no legal existence. You couldn't even write a check to the church. All the offering had to be done in cash because the church had no legal existence and the pastor just puts the cash in his wallet and that's how they take the offering. He just takes the cash and he just does it and that's what it is. But you know what's funny is that that church ran about 15, 20 people. Yet there are literally thousands of people in Phoenix saying, I won't go to these 501c3 churches. I'll only go to a church that's unincorporated. So that's funny. That guy should be running a thousand then but he's running 15, why? Because of the fact that these people who whine about 501c3, it's because they have no intention of going to church anyway and that's just a handy excuse for them to just forsake the assembling of ourselves together, forsake the house of God. And you know what? When these people do actually show up at church, they're just a bunch of weirdos and troublemakers anyway because they just come in and they just wanna change everything and they don't care what the Bible says. They just care about what Alex Jones says or whatever conspiracy website that they're into. That's all they wanna do. They don't wanna do the things of God. They wanna do politics and libertarianism and look, hey, politics have their place and libertarianism has its place and whatever. But these people, they're like 99% conspiracy guy and 1% Christian. Well, you know what? I don't really care if you unsubscribe. Let me help you find the unsubscribe button because I'm not gonna go down that path. It's stupid and unbiblical. And you know what? I've done a whole sermon. If you wanna see where I stand, look up my sermon, Pastor Anderson 501c3. And by the way, Faithful Word Baptist Church is not even 501c3. But I still get offended when these bozos will attack churches that are 501c3, which are good churches that are doing the work of God. Our church is not a 501c3 certified church. We've never done that paperwork. You can go on the IRS's website and see that we are not 501c3, but we are an Arizona nonprofit corporation. And if you don't like it, then tough, okay? So he said, we gotta change this. So government's gotta go. And they did. We put Jesus back on the throne. We're not taking it from him. I'm not running this thing. I tell people, say, well, how are you building your churches? First of all, it's not my church. Okay, here's just another stupid asinine statement. It's not my church. It's not my church. And I just talked about this in my sermon called Stuff Holier Than Thou's Like to Say. Look, it's my church. It's your church. I say to every Faithful Word member, it's your church. And wouldn't you, who are listening at home, wouldn't you say to somebody, hey, I'd like to invite you to my church sometime. Hey, would you come visit my church sometime? It has nothing to do with me being the pastor that I say it's my church. I say it's my church because I love it. I cherish it. I'm part of it. And so everyone who is part of the church can say, it's our church or it's my church. Come visit my church. I really like my new church. That's what normal people would say. But this Mr. Holier Than Thou, you know, oh, no, no, no. We can't obey anything the government says. And Jesus personally has to run the church. I'm not gonna run the church. If you're not running the church, then you're not doing your job because God made you the overseer over his flock. Although I don't think he made this guy an overseer because this guy is bozo. But anyway. I've had that said a million times to me. How's your church doing? I said, God's church doing pretty good. My church is failing. Thank you for proving that you're holier than thou. One guy says, well, you know what I mean? No, I don't know what you mean. See, you got that. You got those words you use that everybody's trained you to use. The church belongs to the pastor. That's under incorporation. It belongs to the pastor. When our church was incorporated, I owned everything here. That is literally the exact opposite of the truth. He's claiming that churches that are incorporated, the pastor owns everything. That is the opposite of the truth. A church that's incorporated, the whole point is that the church as a corporate body owns everything. And in fact, it's the exact opposite. When the church is not incorporated, then that means a person has to be the owner. Because last time I checked, you can't go down to the bank and open a bank account in Jesus name. Okay, so who's gonna be the authorized signer on this account? Who owns this account? Oh, Jesus. And it's last name, C-H-R-I-S-T. Yeah, that's the owner of this account. No, bank accounts all have to be owned by someone. And if they're not owned by a corporate body, like a church, then they have to be owned by some person. There has to be some person who owns that bank account or the church as a corporate body has to own that property. So what he's saying is literally the exact opposite of the truth, claiming, oh, the church was incorporated, I owned everything personally. Maybe you think you did, but no, that is not the case. When it became unincorporated, Jesus owned it all. That's exactly the way it is. Incorporation says the pastor owns the properties. That is a lie. And I promise you that on all the paperwork, it doesn't say Jesus on his property. I guarantee that the title deed to his property doesn't say Jesus. That's absurd. Okay, it's either owned by the church as a corporate body, or it's owned by some individual or group of individuals. And he is literally saying the exact opposite of the truth claiming that the pastor owns everything if the church is incorporated. That is absurd and illegal. This is like legal stuff 101 for churches. Obviously the pastor does not own the church's property. That's stupid. His name is on the deed. So I said, get my name off the deed. They don't belong to me. I don't want God against me. So he took my name off the deed. Guess what? My name is not to be found anywhere on anything. When I die, I'm not leaving this behind for somebody. I guarantee somebody's name is on something. Unless he just has no legal existence and he's just doing it all in cash, everything under the table. If he's doing everything under the table, no legal existence and evading taxes, then maybe, yeah, maybe then nobody's name is on anything. But if he actually has any kind of a legal existence for the church and has any kind of actual, you know, doing anything legal financially, somebody's name is on something. Cause I guarantee you that the bank nor the title company will accept Jesus as the owner because they're not as holier than now as this guy. Belongs to God. That's the way it's gotta be seen, but it's not seen that way in the churches in America anymore. You got to be incorporated. First thing they tell you, give the church over to the government. Wonder why we don't have revival. Wonder why we don't have the spirit of God moving. Why would he move in a church that don't belong to him? You don't even understand how many people that we had preach here and they said, the spirit is different in your church. I said that because it belongs to God. That's why they don't belong to man. Hey, I might as well go to Congress up there and listen to their speeches. If I want to go into man's business, can I preach next? It's just going to be just as effective as I've been in an incorporated church. People don't get it. Pastors don't get it. Amen. Praise the Lord. You know what? That's why they don't have love and their faith is weak. And why would you love the saints? Well, you're underneath a government organization. Paul is saying, no, no, no. This is the way it's supposed to be. So you guys don't have to worry about me one day coming in here and saying, I don't like what you did. I'm kicking you out. It ain't happening. If I have a problem with what you've done, we're going to talk about it first. And if you don't want to hear, then we bring another guy to talk to you about it. And then if they don't, you still don't want to hear, then we bring it before the church and we'll talk about it. That's the way it's supposed to go. And you don't have to go out those back doors until you decide you're not going to repent and get right with God. Am I trying to be mean then? No, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm trying to get you right because that's the whole purpose in it to bring you back to Christ. See, this is the stupidity of not having the reprobate doctrine is that just anybody, no matter what they do, they could be a pedophile, they could be a sodomite, total pervert, total damnable heretic, infiltrating the church, and anytime they want to, they can just be like, okay, I'm sorry, and just keep going to the church. That is not what the Bible teaches. Matthew 18 is one scenario of throwing people out of the church where one person trespasses against another. Okay, when people are found to be guilty of the specific things that God lists as criteria for being thrown out of the church, the Bible tells us to put away from ourselves certain evil, wicked people. That has nothing to do with Matthew 18. I mean, but then again, you know, these people think that it's fine if somebody is a pedophile and just says, I'm sorry that they could just keep coming. No problem. Well, sorry. If somebody is found to be a pedophile, somebody is a convicted pedophile or known to be a pedophile or proven to be a pedophile, they will never come back to faithful or Baptist church ever again until hell freezes over, okay? But, you know, this is the problem with people who reject the reprobate doctrine from scripture. So then they're just a victim to whatever weirdos want to just come to the church and just wreak havoc of the flock. The wolves can just come in and all the wolves have to do is just play this little game where they just, they push it and they push it and they push it. And then you come down on them. It's like, oh, sorry. And then they just keep pushing it. No, no. People who are damnable heretics or perverts or whatever they get thrown out, they're done, okay? And it's not a Matthew 18 situation that's out of context. Anyway, there's one more. I don't want to have to do another video about this guy. So there's one. Well, I mean, I will though, you know, if another clip materializes maybe. But anyway, there's one other clip that somebody sent me. This is just from this Sunday. So this is the empire strikes back. You know, this is him, you know, after seeing our videos that have come out over the last couple of days. And he also said it very arrogant and won't listen to anybody. And that's a pretty good sign that a man is not right with God because he can't stop to think and ponder what another man says to him. Yeah, love the third. All what he says is what's true. Only one that's got truth. Trust me, that's what he thinks. I can guarantee that's what he thinks. He's the only one got truth. That's why he started his new independent fundamental Baptist movement. And he's the founder, the proprietor, the God of the new independent fundamental Baptist movement. So now I don't need to be part of that. That makes me in love. It's bad enough I was that way before I got saved. I don't need to be that way now. So praise the Lord. But the reason I mention it is because they tried to infiltrate our Sunday school. That was why they called me to the back. So he's trying to spread their heresy on our site so we're on their radar. I can guarantee it. They tried to infiltrate our Sunday school. OK, when I first heard him say that, you know, they're trying to infiltrate our Sunday school. You know, I felt like what? Like somebody came down there and, you know, came into his Sunday school. But this is what he calls infiltrating his Sunday school, his YouTube channel, where his videos get an average of about eight or nine views each. On the Sunday school, people came to the Sunday school and left a negative comment. You know, so basically he uploads something to YouTube. He's not used to having any viewers. He's not used to anybody even seeing it or commenting anything. So basically somebody goes on there and makes a negative comment on his channel. And it's like Sunday school infiltrated. He's like he had to stop in the middle of the service. Like he had to drop everything, leave the platform and go to the back to the computer to deal with the negative comments that were coming in as the Sunday school was infiltrated. I mean, is that hilarious or what? They probably don't like what I say about it because he's wrong. Yes, sir. Wrong. By the way, I might not be the best Bible teacher or the best Christian or the best preacher, but I know when I see wrong. Yes, sir. Amen. Thank you, Lord. He's close. He is wrong. All right. That's all that being said. I think we got a bulletin. Don't we have a bulletin? All that being said, you didn't say anything. He wrong. I mean, I may not be a smart man, but he wrong. I know wrong when I see wrong and he's wrong. Man, he wrong. But where's the Bible? Where's the proof? It's all just this third hand hearsay. You know, oh, this guy confronted him and some guy said that he's arrogant and some guy said he won't listen or something. You know, I'm thinking back to anybody who confronted me recently. The only person who confronted me recently was eight days ago on Sunday night. A guy came up to me after the church and he was clearly crazy. You know, there's something wrong with him. Okay. And you know, people like that stumble into church from time to time. And he started coming at me about the book of Enoch and all this wild eyed, crazy stuff about the book of Enoch. I mean, enough said, right? Book of Enoch. And basically, I talked to the guy and tried to explain to him, you know, why I don't accept the book of Enoch. And I was polite and kind to him as I explained to him why I don't accept the book of Enoch once, twice, third time. And he was literally just ignoring everything I was saying and just like responding to me as if I hadn't said anything. So like, he would talk to me and then I would answer him and show him. And then he would just like ignore everything I said. And I just, I just told him, I said, well, I said, I don't talk to people who ignore me. You haven't listened to anything I said, so I'm leaving now, bye. And I turn around and walk away because I don't have time for somebody who's, you know, not listening to me. I mean, if I talk to somebody, I'm assuming that we're having a dialogue. We're having a conversation, not that they are just ignoring everything I'm saying because they're just there to preach to me about the end of the world, mark of the beast, book of Enoch, 450 foot tall giants, aliens, UFOs, whatever. So, you know, I don't think that that's who this guy's referring to but that's literally the only person who has confronted me anytime lately. So I don't know what this guy's talking about, but again, that's what happens when you get all your information third hand and you're getting up and talking about what you heard. Somebody said they saw that they heard that they saw all this junk. He has no Bible, no proof, guy's a bozo. Anyway, that's all I got from this guy for now, but God bless you and have a great day.