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Hey everybody, this is Pastor Steven Anderson from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. So about a week and a half ago, I was on the Baptist Bias podcast. Kent Hovind was on as well. Obviously there was a lot of disagreement between myself and Kent Hovind, but he and a few of his followers made this video sort of reflecting back on that conversation. And it's amazing to me how they just managed to get everything wrong, just to screw up every fact and to just say all kinds of just crazy and bizarre things just in this short video. First of all, let me just say this. Kent Hovind has never preached at our church. He keeps making that claim over and over again. It never happened. He visited our church one time and he sat in his chair and listened to the sermon. He has never preached at our church. He would never be allowed to do so. Anyway, that's kind of neither here nor there. I wanna play just a portion of this video. It's like four minutes and 24 seconds, just to show you the cognitive disconnect, just to show you how, I don't know, is he even listening to the words that are coming out of his mouth? Are other people listening to the words that are coming out of his mouth? Because this man makes no sense, all right? Let's go ahead and have a listen. The other weird claim he made was referring to when he attacked your timeline. And he claimed that the children of Israel were slaves in Egypt for over 450 years. And the only way I can justify the mistake he made is that he's counting them in slavery from the time they first arrived in Egypt. But that would make Joseph a slave and second in command to all of Egypt. I find that bizarre, don't you? Yeah, that would be bizarre if I had said that, except that I never did. This guy is just lying and making things up. And anybody who wants to can go back and listen to the video. Nothing like that was said. In fact, I've never said anything like that in my entire life, okay? What is this guy even talking about? The number 450 never came out of my mouth. I never said that they were slaves the whole time. Of course, we know that as the Bible clearly states in Exodus 12, verse 40, the sojourn of the children of Israel in Egypt was 430 years. And in fact, the next verse says that it was the exact to the day 430 years when they left Egypt, okay? So the sojourn of the children of Israel in Egypt was 430 years. And then the Bible clearly says that they were evil and treated for 400 years. Obviously that's because when they first got there, things were going good. This is all I've ever taught. Obviously for the first 30 some years, they were going good. I think the 400 years is a rounded number. Whereas the 430 years is an exact number according to the Bible. But anyway, this guy just makes this crazy false accusation. Hey, what do you think about that, Dr. Hovind? Well, yeah, and I did some slides on that. How long were they in Egypt? My timeline is exactly correct. His is wrong, okay? Many people have, you know, was it 430 years contradictions in the Bible? Here it is. There, okay. Oh, DV, put my slides back up there, brother. How long were they in Egypt? Atheists love to pick on this and say there's a contradiction in the Bible. Let me get, bend way over here, brother. Okay. Now, notice how misleading this is. He's claiming that this is a contradiction in the Bible between these three numbers, 215, 400 and 430. Here's the problem with that. The number 215 doesn't come up in the Bible, you know? So there is no Bible verse claiming that they were in Egypt for 215 years. That verse doesn't exist except in Kent Hovind's mind, okay? So my issue is that his charts erroneously show the children of Israel only sojourning in Egypt for 215 years when the Bible says in Exodus 1240 point blank that they were there for 430. But he's making this out like, oh, well, atheists are claiming this is a contradiction in the Bible. No, because the number 215 is not in the Bible about this subject. And so, you know, again, this is just gonna be a total straw man now about what atheists are saying about a number that isn't even in the Bible. No, there's no contradiction. Was it 215 or 400 or 430? And he made a big deal out of that that my timeline is wrong. People have, this has been a question people have answered hundreds of times for the last hundreds of years, okay? Was it only 215? Was it 400? Was it 430? There's a great article on answers in Genesis about that. How long were they in Egypt? It takes lots of different ingredients to go in to make a cake, okay? So let's look at all the different factors in this supposed contradiction. We know from the dates given in the Bible how old Adam was when he was born. Genesis chapter five, you can get my chart. And the dates you can simply add them up. Again, this is a total straw man cause I never said there was a contradiction. I'm not an atheist. 215 isn't in the Bible. Abraham, I'm gonna change the name to Abraham. We know the date of that was about 1000 BC. Well, he's got the slides for it, so let's go. God called him. So God said to Abram, I know you're a stranger in a land that's not, they're gonna be, your children are gonna be in a stranger in a land that's not theirs, your seed. And they shall afflict them 400 years. Well, for the first 30 years, they weren't afflicted. Joseph invited his family to come down and live with them and Joseph was the vice Pharaoh. He fed them and took care of them. Okay, did everybody just hear what Ken Hovind said? Ken Hovind just said, for the first 30 years, when they got to Egypt, they weren't afflicted. Pay attention, cause this is gonna be important later. He just said, for the first 30 years, hey, Joseph was invited to be the vice Pharaoh. Everything was going great for the first 30 years. Of course they were deflected for the first 30 years, right? Just wait till you hear where this conversation eventually goes. And took care of them and all that stuff. So for 30 years, they were not afflicted. Yeah. For 400 years, they were. That's right. So one verse says 430, one verse says 400. Well, right. That's right. They were in Egypt for 430 years, but they were afflicted for 400 years. I don't understand why anybody thinks that's a contradiction. They don't. They shall entreat their people for 400 years. Right, exactly. And about the fourth generation. So it says, I say this, the covenant, the land was 430 years. Okay. And they claim it's a contradiction. And he wants to change what people have already settled hundreds of times. They've done all the math on this and say, look, they were in Egypt for 430 years, but they were afflicted for 400. It's not a contradiction at all. Nope, it isn't. No issue. I don't know what he's trying to do, but the. I don't know what you're trying to do, get over. In Egypt, 430 years. Yeah, amen. Doesn't say they were afflicted for 430 years. Amen. In Egypt. That's right. Ishmael, the son of Hagar, the Egyptian, mocked Isaac. That starts the calendar right there. What the? For the affliction of the children of Israel. So a minute ago, he said, well, the first 30 years were good because, you know, Joseph's invited to be the vice Pharaoh. And, you know, all of the children of Israel come down and everything's great. So he's making all kinds of sense. Now, all of a sudden, he's claiming that the 400 years of affliction starts with Ishmael mocking Isaac. Now let's just be clear here. Ishmael mocking Isaac is decades before Israel's even born, let alone the children of Israel, let alone the children of Israel sojourning in Egypt. So now all of a sudden, he's just backing way up in time and he's going back to this, they're only there for 215 years crap. Okay. So, I mean, is anybody even listening? I mean, does anybody listening out there to what he's actually saying? He literally just finished saying, well, they were in Egypt for 430 years, but they were only evil afflicted for 400 years because for the first 30 years they were doing good and Joseph's the second in command, everything's great. But now all of a sudden, no, no, no, that's not what this is about at all. Now all of a sudden, the clock starts with Abraham receiving the promise and then 30 years later, Ishmael makes fun of Isaac. Folks, he's contradicting himself to the tune of 200 and some years here, okay? But I don't know, I guess nobody's listening, nobody's paying attention. And by the way, in order to make this math work, he has to have Isaac breastfeed until he's five years old. For the affliction of the children of Israel, because apparently Abraham was an old man when Ishmael was born, because his wife said, I can't have children, marry my servant girl, Hagar, the Egyptian. So he had a half Egyptian child, Ishmael. Then years later had Isaac and Sarah was apparently still nursing Isaac at five years old in some countries. Yeah, you know, apparently, can you show me that in the Bible? Because I can't seem to find any of this nonsense in my Bible that Sarah is breastfeeding a five-year-old. What kind of weird stuff is that to be breastfeeding a five-year-old? It doesn't even make any sense. A kid with a mouthful of teeth running around. I mean, give the kid a T-bone steak. Why would a five-year-old need to, I have 12 kids, folks, okay? And the thought of breastfeeding a five-year-old is bizarre and absurd. I'm sure you can find some weird person doing it in this world. But these people who try to claim like, well, in the Bible days, you know, they breastfed until they were seven or six or five or whatever. This is just made up stuff, folks. There are no historical records that could tell you about breastfeeding practices from 4,000 years ago. The only information from that time period that has even survived about the culture in that region is the Bible itself. The evidence is the Bible itself. There isn't some outside historical find of a breastfeeding manual from 4,000 years ago, my friend. Nurse the babies up till they're four or five. I guess, save it on the grocery bill. And so the son, Hagar, was mocking him. Genesis 21 talks about that, Galatians four, et cetera. The promise was 430 years before the law was given. His argument that my time- And again, that's not what the Bible says. The Bible doesn't say that the promise was given 430 years before they left Egypt. Well, before the law was given, which is when they left Egypt. But what the Bible actually says is that the promise was confirmed 430 years before the law was given. And that's because when Israel, the person, also known as Jacob, right? The person Israel, when he was going down into Egypt with all of his children, all of his grandchildren, when he's heading down into Egypt, God appears to him in the night on the eve of entering Egypt and confirms the promise to him. And that is what is referred to when it talks about the law being 430 years after that. Because the Bible just flat out says that the time of the sojourn of the children of Israel in Egypt was 430 years. You can't get around the crystal clear precise wording of Exodus 12, 40, and 41. So the timeline is wrong. My first place, I don't think I'm wrong. I think I'm right on that. And it's not worth fighting or splitting the church over. Nobody's splitting the church over anything. I went through the other night on my phone. You shouldn't even be allowed in church, Ken Hovind, because you're a fornicator. You're living in fornication with your third consecutive concubine, okay? He accuses me of using an ad hominem, which, go back and listen to the interview. Go back and listen to the entire podcast. I didn't use any ad hominins. I didn't bring up his sordid life and his serial fornication. I didn't bring up any of that. And then he's just like, I guess implying that I'm immoral, because he said, if you weren't a virgin on your wedding day, then shut up. Number one, I was a virgin on my wedding day. Number two, I have been faithful to my wife the whole time. But he's like implying that, well, you know, you can't say anything about me unless, you know, you've done those things. First of all, even if someone had committed fornication or adultery, they could still condemn fornication and adultery. Okay, just because someone has stolen something doesn't mean that they can never condemn stealing again. Okay, that's absurd. But in my case, I did not commit fornication and I did not commit adultery. Whereas, you know, some preachers may have had fornication in their past or something. Well, guess what? They could still preach against it because they're not doing it now, okay? Unlike Kent Hovind, who is living with a woman that he's not legally married to. For the third time in a row, he says at a parade, a succession of concubines. He brings it up in this video. That's why I'm bringing it up. He brings it up in this video, defending it and somehow insinuating that I'm immoral or something for condemning his debauchery. Anyway. So what show was that I did, brother? The night after that supposed debate. But many people, there's just a lot of Google. How long were they in Egypt? Oh, the atheists make a big deal. Yeah, just Google it. You know, you don't need to look at what the Bible actually says in Exodus 12 verses 40 and 41. You just Google it. And you know, lots of people agree with Kent Hovind so therefore he must be right. They don't want there to be a contradiction. The call of Abel. This is my timeline he's objecting to. And Abraham, oh, there we go. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph. My timeline's right. Not gonna change it. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, I agree with you, doc. I agree with you, doc. What do you agree with? Do you agree with him when he said that they were in Egypt for 430 years and they were treated well for the first 30 years because Joseph was second in command and things were going good and whatever. Do you agree with that? Or do you agree with him when he says, no, actually the 430 years starts hundreds of years earlier and it's actually Ishmael mocking Isaac. And that's what starts the 400 years and the promise made to Abraham. That's what starts the 430 years. Folks, is anybody even listening? Because he literally just taught two diametrically opposed ideas in this video. But his followers are just like, you're our favorite creationist. And I agree with you, Dr. Hovind. I just don't understand why Pastor Anderson believes that they were slaves for 450 years. Produce evidence for any of this. I never said that. I never would say that. Where's the Bible verse to say any of these things? Anyway, I could show you the rest of this video, but that's just a sampling of the fact that Ken Hovind just talks and he's not listening or comprehending the things that are coming out of his mouth. And apparently neither of the people that he's talking with because he can just literally just say that they were there for 430 and that the first 30 were good because the whole family came down, all this stuff. And then he can just turn around and just teach the opposite a few minutes later. It's just like, I agree with you. God bless you, have a great day.