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We equally reject attempts to prescribe new rights that are contrary to our values, norms, traditions and beliefs. We are not gays. One of the major issues, and it's a holdover from colonial Victorian, is the issue of sexual preference in many African countries. Africans have never been homosexual. They have never seen homosexual frogs. I have cattle. I have never seen homosexual gay cattle. And homosexuality is detrimental to human existence. In Kenya, to be gay, the LGBT community is illegal. They just want to have equal rights, the same privacy and equality as all other Kenyans do. Is that something that you aspire to for your country? I want to be very clear. I will not engage in a subject that is of any major importance to the people and the Republic of Kenya. This is not an issue, as you would want to put it, of human rights. This is an issue of society, of our own base as a culture, as a people. Regardless of which community you come from, this is not acceptable, this is not agreeable, this is not about Uhuru Kenyatta saying yes or no. This is an issue that the people of Kenya themselves, who have bestowed upon themselves a constitution after several years, have clearly stated that this is not a subject that they are willing to engage in. Do you personally dislike homosexuals? Of course, they are disgusting. What sort of people are they? How can you go? I never knew what they were doing. I've been told recently that what they do is terrible, disgusting. But I was ready to ignore that if there was proof that that's how he was born, abnormal. But now, the proof is not there. It's un-African, it's unethical, it's ungodly. Because already you're tying it to AIDS. If that is how you're going to bring your AIDS, then I'm afraid the Western can leave us alone. If we accept homosexuality as a right, as is being argued by the association of sodomists and sexual perverts, what moral fiber shall our society ever have to deny organized drug addicts or even those given to bestiality? The rights they might claim and allege they possess under the rubrics of individual freedom and human rights. We are saying no to homosexuality. Why should you say we're going to be civilized if we only allow it? I'm saying we are very primitive now because we are frowning upon homosexuality. Even animals don't do it. Why should we be forced to do it? Because we want to be seen to be smart, to be seen to be civilized and advanced and so on. I don't care what they feel about me. I didn't introduce the death penalty here. I found it here. And the British brought the death penalty to the Gambia. Before colonialism, there was no death penalty in Africa. Don't you know that? Go to history. But it is also said, Mr. President, that it was the colonials who brought in the laws against homosexuality into Africa and Africans have maintained and kept those laws. So to be truly African would be to remove those laws forbidding homosexuality and to remove the death penalty. I'm not admitting that homosexuality is Africa. There are some Africans who say so. Yeah. Now, in the slave trade, doesn't Africans get to capture people in the bush? So those are the same type of Africans that we still have that they use against us. So I wouldn't be surprised what homosexuality is on Africa. And let me also make it very clear, even if the whole world accepts it, I will not accept it in the Gambia. Let them go and tell me whatever they want to tell me. Do I care? I don't. I have to be honest with you. And that is the position that we have always maintained. Those are the laws that we have and those are laws that are 100 percent supported by 99 percent of the Kenyan people, regardless of where they come from. So I think you're going to get yourself into trouble. They require help, obviously. For me, I think they're sick. That's how I see it. But they need help. The fact that they went to jail probably is one thing, but help should be rendered to them. A pardon could be considered, but not in the manner that the ambassador is coming out. Like insulting the collective wisdom of the Zambian people and the sovereign, the sovereignty of this state. You don't do that. What is your message to Western human rights groups, to President Obama, to lesbian, gay, bisexual individuals? To respect African societies and their values. If you don't agree, you just keep quiet, let's manage our society, then we will see. If we are wrong, we shall find out by ourselves. Just the way we don't interfere with the others.