(Disclaimer: This transcript is auto-generated and may contain mistakes.)

All right well today I'm here with Dr. David Kennedy. I really wanted to pick his brain and get his take on what's happening in Dallas right now in regards to water fluoridation. Dr. Kennedy thank you so much for joining us. I really just wanted to talk to you about what's going on in Dallas right now. Do you know much about what's happening there? Well just what I read the papers you know it seems like the paper cut did not get it completely accurate because the rest of the City Council wasn't on board. This is a paper right here that they gave us at the Dallas Council and it says right here that how much they spent in 1-11-12 so January of 2012 they signed a contract with Penco which is the distributor of the hydrofluic acid and they had a contract for two million dollars. Yeah that's only a tiny portion of the cost. Exactly. You've got the chemical when you put acid in you have to put base in so you got to buy an equal opposite amount of base and then you've got to get the hazmat suit you've got to get the the hazardous waste signs and you have to have the shower the eye wash stands all the OSHA compliant stuff so by just looking at the cost of the chemical you miss the true cost. The true cost is about five to ten times the cost of the chemical alone and that's not considering any adverse health effects that's just the process of putting a very costly chemical in your water lines because it eats them too. It eats the equipment and so forth it accelerates the aging of the infrastructure in the city they don't include any of those costs. Yeah exactly and in fact they started fluoridating it says back in 1965 so ever since 1965 they've been putting millions and millions of dollars into this system. The problem is coming from Washington DC that there is an army of dental hygienists dentists advocates for fluoridation working for the United States government and they fan out across all 50 states telling us it's really good it's really good it's really good and they call it fluoride and most of them cannot pronounce hydrofluoroacetic acid nor do they know what it is if you ask them where to come from what's made out of you know what's in it they don't know it's just they're like automatons you wind them up and they go out and say it's good it's good it's good it's good yeah I mean even on the paperwork they give it says hydrofluoroacetic acid well that's what you gotta buy yeah well then you go to Penco's website it has the fluoride listed and it gives this number that I keep seeing it's H2SIF6 That's the formula for hydrofluoroacetic acid. That's the formula, okay. Yeah, it's a two hydrogen molecule H2. SI is silica, it's sand. So there's a diagram of it I can send you. Basically it's six molecules of fluoride, F6, glommed onto a piece of sand and with two hydrogen molecules flying around. So it's a mild acid that will eat through concrete, stainless steel, plastics, you know most anything that it seems to have a little trouble getting through rubber. Yeah well when I type that into Google it's amazing like how many things I found about it that didn't come up on the regular searches of just hydrofluoroacetic acid and it says right here it says our position as the largest independent distributor of fluoride in the country ensures reliability and product availability while maintaining strict quality control measures. So Panko is not a small company. It says that Panko is the number one largest distributor of fluoride in the country. Yeah, they actually engage in no quality control. So this is blah blah blah blah blah blah. We're really doing a good job for you. The stuff is incredibly contaminated. There was a congressional investigation about this in 2000. Every single sample they measured is contaminated with arsenic, lead, cadmium, mercury, and a bunch of other stuff. And they said oh once we put it in your water it's so diluted we can't find it anymore. So they believe in magic. I guess we can put arsenic in the water and it just disappears. Well when you say there's arsenic in hydrofluoroacetic acid people like get cross-eyed when you say that. But it's true. On Panko's website it says the hydrofluoroacetic acid and it says health and safety check the MSDS sheet and says certifications NSF certification and the AWWA standard. Okay the AWWA says that the product used may not have even the potential for causing adverse health effects. Well that's a lot different than the ANSI standard 60. ANSI standard 60 in order to get that they have to submit toxicological studies on all of the products. So Congress asked them what toxicological studies do they have on hydrofluoroacetic acid and they got the answer none. Well let's see if you got to give them a toxicological study chronic toxicological study on the product and they don't got one how did they get that certificate? It's kind of like having a driver's license and never having taken the test. So I went to check out what this AWWA was and I printed out their own paper on hydrofluoroacetic acid and it says that hydrofluoroacetic acid contains these things it says arsenic barium cadmium lead mercury radium 226 and 228 uranium I mean that doesn't sound like it's something we want to drink. Well they're not being forthcoming like many of the companies claim that they have a pure product when you measure it, it's not pure but what they don't want to admit and that's because the lawyers are sniffing around all the time is that the product they're using is contaminated with sufficient amounts of arsenic for example to cause increased cancers of bladder and lung California has determined the public health goal for arsenic is four parts per trillion and so that's like four drops in the football stadium with the bleacher seats up to the sky lobby so four drops of arsenic in a stadium that big would be four parts per trillion well there's like one part per billion or like 250 times more in almost every batch and sometimes even more than that that's been tested they have to by anti-standard 60 have an unannounced inspection annually, they have to have toxicological studies all the ingredients in that and they have to do batch testing so when you ask them for those data they were unable to come up with hardly any I think they had like 16 or something, they should have had 16,000 for Congress you can read up on all the they're tapped at, they're breaking so many laws, you don't have to be just concerned about the cost you should be concerned about the rule of law, there are laws regarding this that are not being followed so you don't have to be anti-fluoride, you just have to be a law and order elected official to enforce the law if you were building a children's daycare center and the contractor was in there pouring the concrete to build this nice new daycare center and you'd work really hard to get this for the kiddies and then one of the workmen came over and said you know they bought that cement a jobber and it's not any good at all, it just crumbles in your hands it doesn't have anywhere near the strength that it's supposed to would you continue to build the daycare center or would you say wait a minute, wait a minute we need to stop this until we get stuff that's compliant with the laws of this country well 2000 Congress determined that not one drop of the chemical added to the water supply was compliant with the laws of this nation and they said well you know don't worry about that, don't look over there, don't pay attention to that and so I went to the NSF fact sheet and it says arsenic right here, it says arsenic is the most common contaminant detected in hydrofluic acid in these products and it says which was detected 43% of all product samples so 43% of all product samples they did had arsenic in it and that's what they're putting out, I can only imagine what the real number even is the non-detect thing is a phony baloney is that the water company will add something with arsenic and then when your water report comes it says non-detect level well because they diluted it with 180,000 gallons of water that didn't have much arsenic in it, of course it doesn't detect it because they're using 1950's technology looking for something that's in the water 91% I think in the Waterworks magazine it said 91% of the arsenic added to public water supplies comes from one source hydrofluic acid, 91% so you could reduce bladder and lung cancer rates and arsenic rates in our society by simply refusing to use contaminated products in the water supply and again I just want to stress to everyone this is not a conspiracy, literally on their own website it says that it contains arsenic, cadmium, lead, mercury barium and this is from the NSF it has another list on the NSF so NSF and the AWWA both list all these heavy metals in this product hydrofluic acid which Penco sent me to this link to look up but it says right here that it's safe if you believe everything is written I'll send you a letter and so Penco on their website says community water fluoridation continues to be the most cost effective safe means to provide protection from tooth decay in the community spend all their time patting themselves on the back and this is from Dallas January 2012 when they put it in and it says right here on the resolution it says that a three year agreement for the purchase of hydrofluic acid from Penco because they were the lowest bidder they did bids from Mosaic Key Chemical, Burrs, B-U-R-E-S have you ever heard of them? No. There's so many different companies now one of the things they're using so much of this stuff up other countries are getting into the deal in California the Metropolitan Water District buys their hydrofluic acid from China which I filmed a documentary back in 2000 the Chinese take it out of their water so obviously they're not going to allow some industry to put it back in Mexico, Japan none of those countries allow it in their water supply so obviously the disposal technique is not working in those countries so they basically use our water supply to dispose of their hazardous waste and this is not even made up because if you go to Google just go to Google and type in and you hit shopping on the tab you can buy it but if you're a chemical company list all those things and they all say China almost 9 out of 10 of them say they're shipped directly from China on these big cargo containers I'll tell you a little bit about the containers I had a friend that became quite wealthy not the truck body but the tanks that carry silicofluoride and he invented a new liner on the inside of the tank that kept it from eating through the tank they had used a 1 inch thick rubber bladder and that would have to be changed every year and that he developed a new technique using a fluoride epoxy resin that sealed up the tank better and kept it from eating a hole in the tank because this stuff is corrosive it'll eat anything so what's wrong about the claim that they have a pure product is that if you have a spill like they did up in Utah and the first responders show up or it runs off, ate a hole in the concrete berm and went into the river and they said it'll just completely turn into fluoride and sand well no, it's not just fluoride and sand it's arsenic, lead, barium, you've listed them for us again and again so if you're a first responder and you show up and you don't know what you're actually dealing with, you can be injured on that so they need to be truthful and honest and that's why I say we need transparency and compliance with all laws, not just let's put it in the water for the kiddies but let's comply with all the laws if you have a policy standard, then you should comply with that you should submit the toxicological data on all the ingredients you should truthfully list the ingredients and that's what they haven't done and they don't want to do it just wave their arm and say it's the best thing since sliced bread and let you worry about it, oh you must be some kind of conspiracy theorist it's a policy, it's a policy that helps industry yes, and Mosaic which is another huge company that Penco probably got their supply from they released an MSDS sheet of hydrofluicic acid on this MSDS sheet says health hazards corrosive to the skin, eyes and mucous membranes may cause severe irritation and burns which may not be immediately apparent this stuff doesn't affect you right away, especially in smaller doses and like you said many times, it builds up in your bones it creates all these health effects that don't happen for years, right? chronic low-dose exposure is different than high-dose exposure one of my documentaries was the Secret Story of Fluoride we had workers that were at Alcoa basically their shoulders got so poisoned before it, if you said stick up your hands you could get it like this, that's all the higher, their shoulders let their arms go another worker at a water treatment plant spliced a half a cup on his leather apron he had nitrogloves, safety glasses, leather apron and a long sleeve shirt and a half a cup spritz out of a broken pump and spritz him a little bit, not much, but anyway a car was broken in this room, had to go to the other room, showered up and he got to feeling poorly on the way home, if he hadn't turned into the hospital, he'd have died they forgot to tell you that the stuff is a deadly poison, doesn't burn you but it seeps right through your skin, it ruined his joints, he's got crippled to this day but he didn't know that, he's the guy putting it in the water yeah, well it says on this MSDS sheet it says, potential health effects include for the eye, corrosive skin, corrosive, inhaling, corrosive, ingestion, corrosive harmful or fatal if swallowed I mean, but this is the MSDS sheet that Mosaic, one of the lead manufacturers of this hydrophylic acid gives with their product to these water companies and they still put it in the water, it's crazy it says, other comments right here it says, prolonged or repeated overexposure to fluoride components may cause osculosclerosis, if exposure occurs during enamel formation, and this is speaking to babies, so this is not to the worker that's dealing with it this is speaking about what the health effects are to the babies it says, and by multidiscoloration of the enamel of teeth, if exposure occurs during enamel formation but, you know, the advocates, and I said there was an army of people out promoting this, the advocates, the Center for Disease Control, admit that 41% of the children have dental fluorosis, so 41% of the children, and how do they get the number they average the kids from the non-fluorinated communities with the ones in the fluoridated communities, but they've been so effective in getting all the major cities to put fluoride in their water supply, that the number of kids with dental fluorosis has gone steadily up since they began this program in 1945 went from less than 1%, now it's up to 41% and that's the way they calculate it, it's actually much higher than that you have to have two teeth damaged before you even get on the list and then they say, oh, well if one is really, really terrible and one is just kinda bad, we're gonna call it the kinda bad the lesser of the two evils, I mean, you know it's a little phony way to classify dental fluorosis, how did it happen? The baby swallowed a poison that caused the enzyme, the metalloprotein removing enzyme to be inhibited, well, what is that enzyme supposed to do? Well, it's involved in everything from fetal development to tooth development to cancer metastasis, arthritis it is a very important enzyme in the human body, and so having some idiot put chemicals in the water that inhibit your child's ability to grow and develop normally, dooms that child to have a funny looking spot of teeth, well that's not the only problem, they end up with the principle symptom of fluoride overdose is pain pain in the lower back, pain in the joints, pain in the neck and so what I'm trying to be is very clear, it's not a chemical that's a benefit to the human body Yeah, and it's a chemical, it's not is there any test, I mean, because they're saying it prevents tooth decay, is there any test that has shown that it actually does prevent tooth decay? None if it's swallowed, is it Even the advocates admit now that, or claim now, they used to claim you had to swallow it and had to get an enamel and all that stuff and the research after 50 years has proven that that was not true and what they say is just a little tiny bit of data can ruin a perfectly good theory Well, some dentists are still claiming that, but the Center for Disease Control and the Journal of the American Dental Association have published articles repeatedly saying that the mechanism of action is that the fluoride inhibits the germs that live on your teeth in the high levels, and it's got to be in the saliva, not the enamel, doesn't make any difference how much you got in your enamel, doesn't make any difference how much you got in your tooth in terms of tooth decay, it makes a lot of difference in terms of the brittleness of the tooth, ever have a tooth break? Well, the more fluoride you put in bones or teeth, the more brittle they become so they end up breaking, so they never want to include the cost of broken bones and broken teeth in the alleged benefit, because the only thing that you can show is that there is a little bit slight reduction from topical application, well, yeah so are other things that are applied topically reduce tooth decay too? Uh huh are they safer? Uh huh, so why don't we use the safer ones well there's no way you can patent the safer ones because of natural ingredients and so if you want to reduce tooth decay, get iodine you know, iodine, ozone, all these things that kill germs are much more effective than the one that just makes the germs sick it doesn't even kill the germs effectively, so if you have a cut on your hand and you go to the hospital what do they paint it with, do they paint it with fluoride? No, that'll kill you they paint it with iodine because that kills the germs and stops it from being infected much more effective way, dentistry does not understand tooth decay is a dietary infection it means that you eat candy or sugar or white flour that grows up a bug on your teeth that lets it be infected you can starve that bug to death, if you don't eat any sugar at all that bug will not grow and you won't have a cavity one, go to the museum look at any of the native americans, they had no tooth decay until of course we got here and showed them how to grow sugar yeah, I'm going to send you kind of my summary of the city ordinance that was passed in Santa Cruz a number of years ago and I'm going to test you and see if you can see what word it does not contain what word it does not contain? very good it says nothing can be added to the public drinking water for the purpose of medicating the population that has not first been approved by the food and drug administration for the full range of dosages that the recipients may experience and furthermore the actual substance may not contain contaminants that exceed the public health goals, the actual substance, they forgot the hydrofluic acid they didn't name the substance yeah they didn't name the substance, and the reason is because then it becomes the other side's responsibility to name the substance yeah, because hydrofluic acid doesn't sound nice it doesn't have a pretty ring to it and it's always contaminated with something, and the FDA has never approved any fluoride containing substance intended to be ingested to prevent tooth decay and the infant receives a dose that's far greater than the dose that the EPA knows to cause harm, so there's three things in there that would prohibit fluoridation, but it doesn't have the word fluoride and that was intentional, so that makes the other side carry the message, our fluoride is the good kind of fluoride that only harms the baby a little bit, and then we'll tell the baby to drink bottled water Dr. Kennedy, I have to let you go, is there anything else you want to leave with the people, maybe give us some encouragement? Yes, you have to fight every day for the freedoms in this country, they're not free, if you don't fight for them they will be taken away from you, instantly thank you doctor, I really appreciate your time here today, have a good one bye-bye