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You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You Are you tired of lame watered-down preaching You You You You You You You You Thanks again for joining us this evening I feel like Ben's really pumped up. He's got a shirt on here first works Baptist Church. He's convincing me I need to go to Bible College and get that expensively once-in-a-lifetime Education but actually 450 I mean inflation these days has made it to the point where that's nothing all right Ben say hello to everyone this evening How's it going everyone? Excited to be on the show tonight talking about Bible College really it's Bible College exposed, and we're here with pastor Bruce Mejia as our guest of course it's March 14th 2023 and My milk expired today So I was kind of upset about that But of course I can always go to the store and get a new one, but other than that I'm doing great well don't cry over spilled milk. Let's bring on our guest pastor Bruce Mejia. Are you joined here with us? I'm here. I'm ready to go to that Bible College that um brother brother Benjamin was talking about I mean I feel like you took that straight out of a Bible College brochure or something Was perfect online orientation, and yeah, I mean it's a very affordable price of $450,000 and I think that you know these people out there who want to trash Bible College. They just don't understand the education They're missing out on oh Yeah, definitely well obviously we're not nearly the expert you are Neither me or Ben went to Bible College, but we know that you have some experience in this area Why don't you give us a little rundown of kind of your experience with Bible College Yeah, well as soon as I got saved I enrolled into Bible College probably about a month after and Basically the essentially the reason why I went to Bible College is because the church that I went to Told me that if I wanted to be in full-time Christian service if I wanted to be a pastor If I wanted to serve in the ministry full-time The next step would be to go to Bible College because soon after or right after I got saved I had the desire to preach and I was under really strong leadership and pastors who are preaching really hard And so I wanted to do that it created within me a desire to do that And so I expressed that desire to my leaders, and they basically said oh You got to go to Bible College and so I enrolled and I went and I was there for about five years or so and Then after I graduated from Bible College I was actually a teacher there for I don't know about two years and then soon thereafter is when I You know left that church or was let go from that church, but yeah, I was there for about five years and Honestly, I was really excited in the very beginning because I thought that everyone who was going to Bible College was there for the right reasons and I essentially viewed everyone who was there as a Person who was on fire for God. They loved the Bible They loved winning souls to Christ that wanted to get involved in full-time Christian service but I was really naive because that wasn't the case and I just remember being in those classes and and learning about You know different Bible stories and going through Old Testament survey New Testament survey And I was still reading through the Bible for the first time so a lot of these stories were very much new to me and so I was kind of blown away by a lot of things that I was hearing just you know, the Old Testament stories and the different books and different characters of the Old Testament and I remember I would express that to my colleagues and just kind of You know want to talk about those stories after class and just be like wow You know Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, you know and I distinctly remembered that particular story that I was really blown away out that because I never really heard about that and They were just kind of like yeah, I've already heard that story before and yeah, yeah, whatever and they're just kind of you know lacks about the Bible and indifferent towards the things of God and After a couple months I started realizing that everyone who was there wasn't really there for the right reasons. And so You know, that was basically my first year there I sort of realized that not everyone wanted to be a pastor or a missionary or be involved in full-time Christian service They were just kind of there because their mom sent them there their dad sent them there Or that was just a thing to do after high school is you just go to Bible college But you know, I had a rude awakening when I went for sure Now, of course, you know the whole episode is to kind of talk about some of the problems of Bible college But I assume you know, there were some good things out of it What are some of the things that you feel like from your experience that were pretty good about it? Yeah, there is definitely a lot of bad stuff in college and Bible college But there's obviously a lot of good there as well and I can't say that I didn't learn any Bible because I did and you know They taught me a lot of just the history of the Bible They taught us how to be King James only and they taught us about sowning. They had us memorize scripture and I think one of the most important things that we learned there was You know social skills just how to work with people How to work hard how to just kind of give yourself to the ministry and so they taught me a lot of discipline they gave me a lot of structure and you know, that was one thing that I definitely appreciated going to Bible college, but You know, that's probably the only thing Yeah, well it seems like to me, you know, I didn't go to Bible college specifically I went to just a regular State University West Texas A&M University and It seemed like to me that you kind of got out of college what you put into it that it's a little bit an ability for you to just do whatever you want and You know, if you really want to learn a lot, there's no one holding you back There's a lot of resources that are available to you but at the same time if you don't really want to learn anything, you're not forced to at all and To me, I guess I almost would think that some of that's similar in Bible College in the sense that you know Some students are there reading their Bible a lot studying really paying attention the curriculum working hard on their Assignments and they could you know going soul winning and different Activities working hard on preaching or whatever other actual curriculars exist so you could get a lot out of Bible College, but it's kind of up to you a little bit and Bible College is not necessarily gonna force you to be like that It's more kind of it's open. Is that kind of what your experience was? Yeah, definitely. I mean when I was there I took it very seriously and I Did not have the attitude towards Bible College that I obviously have now and so when I was there I worked really hard and I really believed in that system because I Thought that it was the right type of system for someone who wants to get involved in full-time Christian service and be a pastor and learn How to preach and so I put my heart into it and I studied hard I read the Bible a lot and you know, I learned the doctrine I did my best to pass my exams and To stay accountable and go soul winning and just do all that but again just in my first year there, I realized that not everyone shared that same disposition not to say that There's people in Bible College who didn't have that same attitude But there are others who definitely didn't the majority I would say of students who went to the college that I went to did not share that same attitude and they were just kind of there just to you know, please their parents and You know They're they're there to kind of do their year or their two years so they can go out and just get a regular secular job which is nothing wrong with that, but Just kind of get a secular job and just move on and just please their parents And so they weren't really in it for for the right reasons I guess you could say and the people who graduated from Bible College Who are still serving in the ministry in my opinion? Survived Bible College or they they came out and were successful in the ministry in spite of Bible College because they went into it with the right Disposition and the right goals and so I don't know if that answer your question Yeah, that makes sense and kind of what I'm saying, you know for me it seems like The resources to learn and grow spiritually are not Insulated in Bible College and so much that you couldn't have the same growth or positive learning Experiences outside of Bible College that the people that do well are the ones that are putting all the extra effort in anyways And they could do the same thing apart from Bible College and really we're kind of from my angle or what my perspective is is that Bible College is Only gonna kind of distract from those things or possibly even put a wet blanket Kind of similar to that what you've been saying here when you notice other people Not really putting the same effort in not really caring not sharing your same interest. It could kind of be a deterrent or or try to Limit your zeal. It makes me think of how two tribes of the children of Israel don't really want to enter in the promised land and Joshua is really upset with them because he's saying you're gonna discourage your brethren And so when you don't see everybody coming alongside fighting having the same zeal It can actually discourage the brethren cause them to not want to study as hard not take things as serious And and obviously iron sharpens iron So when you're around other people that maybe do something better than you it could cause you to Do even more or work harder it can provoke you to try harder than you did before I know in sports, you know, if you play with people that are worse than you you never really get much better But if you play against people that are a lot better than you it actually challenges you to grow learn how to have more skill different skill and I know that Going to faith a word and being around People like pastor Stephen Anderson and other brethren who are trying to memorize whole sections of the Bible going soul-winding all the time That always challenged me to do more learn more and to grow more And I don't know that I would have had the same feeling if I go to an institution like you said Bible College Where the staff or even a lot of the students aren't that interested don't care as much are Taking it easy quote unquote Yeah, I mean I was just thinking I mean just thinking about the fact that You know going back to that same point I was really bothered by that and it it kind of made me disillusioned for a little bit Because of the fact that I felt as though those the students that were there You know, they had a lot of privileges in the sense of you know, they grew up in church. Their parents are in church They are very much involved. They've been there for decades at the church and They don't want to be there and I'm just you know My parents weren't in church at the time and I was basically the only one there. I'm paying my own school bill I'm getting myself to Bible College I'm making sure that I'm kind of holding myself responsible and accountable for my responsibilities in Bible College and It seemed as though like if it wasn't for their parents or some other authorities that they had, you know They would be out of there. Whereas me I was thinking to myself, you know I don't really have anybody provoking me to be here or to go to college. You know, I'm kind of just motivating myself I'm trying to be a self-starter to be here so really bothered me when they were really apathy when I when I saw apathy in the Bible College because it's like I'm actually here for the right reasons and these students don't seem to even care about the things of God and You know, obviously there were people who did provoke me to righteousness and to be zealous for the things of God but there are very far few and in between the majority would mock people like us and If you even brought up a conversation about the Bible, it would you know be looked down upon if you expressed any desire to just kind of go Above and beyond and soul winning or learning the Bible or memorizing scripture You were kind of seen as just kind of like a weird person in the Bible College, you know God forbid that you would want to you know Do a little more soul winning or read the Bible more in a Bible College and so, you know the the the major theme of Bible College or should I say the The narrative that people would push the leaders would push was that the Bible College students were the cream of the crop But then I would hear that from the pulpit But then when I see the students, I'm like, you know, I'm not sure I think there's actually church members that are more on fire and zealous than the actual Bible College students You know men who are married who have children who are serving God and they love winning souls to Christ I kind of had more than an affinity with them than I did was a lot of the students in the college and so You know, that was definitely a wake-up call for me Well, you know interesting Back before I even became King James only and I was still going to non the nom church I actually applied for a seminary because same thing I was told and kind of Looked up online and stuff it seemed like you have to go to Bible College if you want to go into the ministry if you want to be on staff at a church or any of these type of things and so I enrolled or applied for Denver Seminary and You know, they're not King James only and at the time I don't know that I think I was slowly learning about that They did seem to at least on their doctoral statement say salvation was by faith alone And they had a lot of just kind of the cores that doctrines that seemed to be right But I remember hearing preaching from Pastor Steven Anderson about how you shouldn't go to Bible College It's a waste of time and you should just train at a local church And a lot of that kind of resonated with me to where I totally changed and I decided not to pursue Seminary and I was then trying to be trained in a local church and I ended up joining an old IFB church And the pastor I approached him about training me to be a pastor and And he definitely said well, you should go to Bible College and I said, yeah I don't I don't know that I want to do that. I would rather train locally and he was willing to do it, but He didn't really have a program and he never really started anything and so that's why I ended up just moving to faithful word and training with Pastor Anderson there, but You know, it's it's kind of a similar At Least approach from a lot of people where they just really push Bible College on you And I know brother Ben you went to an old IFB church. Was there ever any pressure to go to Bible College? Is that something you were thought of doing? Yeah, I definitely did think about doing it and there was the pressure because they would bring in Bible colleges regularly to basically advertise themselves to the church and at the time when I first got saved I was going to a secular college and Back when I was 23 and the thing is I Did think wow, it would be so great to go to a college. That's you know revolved or at least supposedly Revolves around scripture where you can learn about the Bible where you can some of the things Pastor Mahie was talking about memorize scripture learn more about Bible stories, etc. So it seemed appealing to me At the time and it wasn't until I heard some of the preaching that comes From our friends from the new IFB and also some of the testimonies I've heard from people who went to Bible College That I realized I actually Didn't miss out on anything. Although I felt like I did for a while. I felt like I've been missing out I felt like I would have liked to go do it But then I quickly realized after hearing the testimonies of those who went I didn't miss out on anything Yeah, and you know, I think that's a lot of people share the same Share the same Experience I I know that we have a lot of people in our Livestream and we're gonna take calls tonight if we have anybody that wants to share a Bible College Story or example, so if you have like something really crazy that you heard a doctrine or an experience you had We'd like to hear from you. You can call two three one Baptist We'll try to bring you on the show for a minute and just get you to share that one experience and we can talk about it I wanted to share one quick thing. Go ahead pastor Shelly pastor Mejia, you guys have midweek Bible studies where you go through a chapter of the Bible expository style and You do it in great detail One thing I heard from a friend of mine who went to an old IFB church is in discussion with his pastor About his preaching style the pastor confided in him and said well, you know what? I hold things back from a doctrinal perspective and don't necessarily feel like it's appropriate to preach the meat of the word Because if people want to attain that they can go to Bible College They can go to Bible College and get the meat of the word there What a shame and that's really I wanted to get your guys's reaction to that I mean as pastors who do regularly preach the meat of the word to your congregations Isn't it a shame that some pastors feel the need to hold back in that area Because they feel like if people want to get that they have to pay for it and get shipped off to Bible College What's your reaction? Yeah, I definitely have heard that multiple times and that was just a common That was a common thing back at our old church with our old Bible College and that was that if you wanted to get into systematic doctrine that you would have to go to a Bible College to get that and You know, they want to keep things on the bottom shelf for the congregation but if they want to go a little deeper than that you're gonna have to pay to learn deep doctrine and and I didn't really Understand why at the beginning you know, there's a lot of things that I feel like I didn't question initially Because we just kind of all went with that and it was just what we what I learned what I thought what I was taught And so but later on obviously when I heard some preaching especially from Pastor Anderson I did begin to question those things and I remember thinking a lot of that like why is it that we hold back on? Systematic doctrine and the funny thing is you mentioned brother Ben that you're at a church where people would come and advertise the Bible College I was actually one of those people believe it or not. I was on a tour group and I was actually a college recruiter I was like one of my jobs when I was working at the college there and my job was to get Recruitments for Bible College and in fact One of my church members who's my song leader brother Marco Sanchez. I actually recruited him to Bible College So he left his church and city and he went he ended up moving to Long Beach And you know, he became a part of the Bible College and he ended up going to college there until he was kicked out For coming to visit our church when we started when we were back when we were a faithful or Baptist Church But we used to recruit people all the time and I remember Going to a particular church Where we were recruiting Students and I remember the pastor preaching and he was going verse by verse on first and second Timothy he was in first Timothy at the time and I remember thinking to myself like I've never heard anything like this. I thought this is something you only do in Bible College and You know his is like an unorthodox kind of way of doing it because he was going verse by verse and he was kind of like Asking for for answers and so the congregation would like answer out So obviously, you know that we didn't agree with that But you know, unfortunately or should I say fortunately a lot of the church church members knew the answers To what he was asking regarding systematic doctrine, which shows that he was teaching his people You know and and they were actually taking it in and I remember coming back feeling a little discontent thinking to myself You know, why don't we do this at our church? And and then it was one of those reminders well, that's what you get in Bible College and so and I remember and I even remember a church member coming up to me and Saying like hey, you know, I have a full-time job. I have a family. I don't think it's fair that You know, why do I why do we have to pay to go learn the book of Hebrews in Bible College? Why can't we get it in church and I honestly didn't even have an answer Because I never really thought about that, but it's true. I mean, it's it's in my opinion. Obviously, it's wrong It's wrong to charge to teach the Bible period learn the Bible let alone, you know Just kind of hold back and keep key doctrines or systematic teachings from the church Because that's that's reserved for the cream of the crop which ends up being a group of people who don't even want to learn it to begin with so Well, I don't have any experience as far as actually being in a church where there's this big discrepancy from what's being taught in The Bible College or at church, but you're just trying to think about it biblically, you know the Apostle Paul talks about how he held back nothing and In fact pretty much every epistle kind of says like to be read in the church Like it doesn't say just for the Bible college students enrolled at the church It's like to be read in front of the men women and children So to me it almost seems unbiblical if you're not going to every single one of these passages and every single one of these instructions To me the Bible is really clear that we should be teaching everybody the whole counsel of God and that we shouldn't be holding anything Back, so it really just to me is almost in the face of Scripture that people would even do such a thing and you know I it to me though it It again my viewpoint is that Bible College is more about money and if you don't have this gimmick of Well, you're only gonna get this lesson if you come to Bible College then You know that might actually entice someone to pay whereas if you say you're gonna get all the same instruction all in same information Then it kind of is like well, why do I go and it's like exactly why why would you go? You know I didn't go to a Bible college, but I went to just a regular University I got a management degree, and I remember I wanted to change careers at one point and get a software degree And I talked to somebody that was in the software industry, and he said oh don't go to college It's a waste your time. They won't even teach you how to be a developer. You're gonna use archaic and outdated Programming languages they're not gonna really teach you very much You could just learn on the job and get really far ahead, and I never Got a software degree. I don't have really any Training formally as far as software, but I've had a job for several years. I've had really high positions I've been a senior developer and You know never has it even been a question of whether or not I had a degree or if it mattered They don't even care, but it does seem like in in our world, and you know I'm not you pastor me here So I don't have a Bible college degree, but a lot of people ask me well Where'd you go to college or where'd you get a seminary degree? And you know I just say like I just trained a local church And I think a lot of people look down on me for being like that But I I would venture to believe that most of my church Knows the Bible better than a lot of these Bible college students, so it's kind of What does it matter do I need letters of commendation, or you know? What's the what did I really miss out on I don't know, but yeah, I agree 100% I mean the Bible says That you know apostles and pastors and teachers and evangelists are given to us for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ and Then it says that we henceforth be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine By the sleight of men and cutting craft in this whereby they lie in wait to deceive so what? Ephesians 4 is basically telling us is that if we want to mature in the Lord and in our knowledge of the Bible So that we're not spiritually children anymore and become spiritually mature and our understanding of Scripture We need to be in church And if we need to be in church that the implication there is that there is a leader there Who's preaching the Word of God who's maturing us through the Bible through preaching through the deep things of God? And so you know there's no mention of a college Bible college in in in the scriptures Whenever when in reference to teaching God's people or helping them to mature Being an extension of the ministry as many people put it when it comes to Bible college You know it says that we were we learned these things in church, and so and you're right. I mean I think of my church members Many of them can run circles around many of the Bible college students I mean I remember being in college and my first year and kind of going I don't know what it was something sparked my curiosity and I started going up to different students. Just asking him like why are you a Baptist? Or why are you a fundamental Baptist? Do you know and I wasn't doing it in a just to kind of like you know put them on the spot? I genuinely wanted to I wasn't trying to troll them I Genuinely wanted to know why they thought that they were a Baptist and I think it was also because I was trying to figure out why I was a Baptist and so Probably one out of the 15 students that I asked that question to probably gave me a solid answer the other ones couldn't and The other ones kind of brushed me off, or they just kind of like ah you know. Why are you asking that? That's not important. You're asking a stupid question or whatever and So, but when I would ask some of the church members they actually knew Some of the men in the church actually knew why they were fundamental Baptist And so it's crazy to see that Contrast there between those who are supposed to be learning the deep things of God through Bible college and those who are using the God-given Institution which is the church to learn it yeah, and you know even the church I went to it seemed like the people didn't even know why they were King James only Whereas some people in the church were and they knew why but it's like that should be taught to the whole church Why would you want your church to not be solid on doctrine because that's that's all reason I believe people should be going to our church is because they're choosing it not just because their parents drug them there or Tradition or it's five minutes from their house, but you want people to choose your church, and you know that's one thing I love about the church that I get to pastor is that it's very clear the people coming to my church Are choosing to come to my church? It's not just out of convenience or it's close to their house or anything like that it's it's rather because they know what they believe and they want to find a church that aligns with what the Bible says and Of course that should be the main motive act motive Motivating factor, and I think that because we have the truth on our side We shouldn't be afraid of teaching everybody all the truth because that's what's gonna keep them grounded in the faith That's gonna keep them steadfast and doing the first works. You know I mean you need a lot of that doctrine to be motivated to do the right things, but of course you know I've heard and There's an even way worse Bible colleges out there than the one you went to I mean the one you went to is probably Great in comparison to 99% of Bible colleges, but even where you were going was there any kind of doctrines or Heresies or anything that you were like whoa that's not in the Bible was there something that kind of threw you off while you were in the school Well our college like most colleges are dispensational they do adhere to You know a dispensational view not hyper dispensational, but very much dispensational in the sense that they're pretty trib They believe that the Jews are God's chosen people so things of that nature But as far as discrepancies in regards to salvation I never heard anything they're very much King James only and even the church that I went to was King James only and there were a lot of right doctrines at the college and honestly, I credit that to the fact that the college was very much tied into and Overseen by the pastor, so it's not like the college was like off campus Somewhere else run by another leader like the pastor of the church oversaw the college is very much involved He taught there he preached there, and so he kind of kept a short leash on the college there And I remember one particular time a pastor was was invited or Evangelist or something you may have heard of him. I don't know I'm not sure if you have but his name is they call him Bible Doug and No, I haven't game and he was he's very he putting himself forth as like King James only and he was really big in old IFB type churches or at least he was making a big splash at that time and He's King James only so obviously he came under the guise of being King James only So we liked them, and we thought you know have him come and teach You know a couple hours of just the Bible or just different things, but then he started mentioning some things You know he was teaching through the Gospels, and he started implying that people were saved differently in different dispensations And we're I remember my reaction was like whoa and and my pastor never really had got he never got up and preached against Dispensationalism or hyper dispensationalism, but he did teach the right way of salvation and The fact that it was always the same so by default. I knew that whatever this guy was saying was just wrong and I remember like I raised my hand, and I'm like are you saying that people were saved differently throughout the ages because we believed In ages at that time obviously because we're yeah, we were pretty trip, and he's just like well I'm just saying I believe the Bible and I'm thinking to myself well, then you're implying that you know you do believe that so I was kind of floored when he said that and I had a good relationship with my pastor And he always kind of kept the office door open for me if I wanted to talk to him And I went to go talk to him and I said hey This guy's saying that you can be saved differently throughout different ages, and I don't know if that's biblical I don't think that's biblical that doesn't sound right he's saying where people were saved by the sacrifices in the Old Testament And and then my pastor was like whoa well This is the last time he's ever gonna come you know and he's like that's called hyper dispensationalism, and he said we're dispensationalist but we're not hyper dispensationalism because hyper dispensationalist have They teach a false doctrine that people were saying differently And so I really my respect for my pastor grew even more because of it because he just said he's never coming back We're not gonna sell his books. You know there. They had a bookstore. He's like we're not gonna sell his books He's never coming back, and he even canceled the future engagement with another pastor Because he ended up finding out that that guy was a hyper dispensationalist as well So as far as those type of discrepancies. You know we didn't have anything that crazy during My pastor's Time there, but when he got sick, and he was no longer the pastor there there were different individuals that came and were teaching false doctrine and They particularly I remember in one instance I was just going over this one of my church members earlier this week that they had a a Missionary who was a missionary in Africa for like 30 40 years or something and he was like 130 years old or something like that You know some crazy age, but this guy was not King James only he was major Zionist and He taught some really weird doctrines, and I remember that they hired him to teach a class on missions But the entire class ended up being a class on Zionism, so he never even went through what he did on the mission field or The worst that he did he spent the majority of time talking about why the Jews were God's chosen people And why replacement theology is wrong and so you know a lot of that started coming in And I remember some of the students just kind of being like this is kind of weird. You know did he even go to Israel I? Mean probably not I mean if you're a missionary to Israel, maybe that makes sense. I don't even know He was he was big on it though like and and one thing that kind of Freaked me out was the fact that he said he was using the King James and He was like, but I prefer and he said some other version, and I was like what you know what I mean like And I couldn't believe the words that were coming out of his mouth, and I remember myself like this is not good Why are we having this guy teach here if he doesn't even believe in the King James Bible right? But things like that were tolerated unfortunately, and they were permitted they were tolerated they weren't corrected and Little by little you can see you know that the college was was was going south doctrinally Later on because of the fact that when you tolerate things like that They're not corrected then it just gives way for more false doctrine, and then we you know we have students who are coming from different churches Who were not King James only you know they were using a new King James, and I remember one particular instance where? the teacher was having The students read a passage. He was teaching. I don't know a particular passage, and he was reading out of that passage He called on this particular student, and he just sounded weird You know it's just like and the student the teacher stopped him, which is like all right We're moving on to someone else And he kind of picked someone else And it was just like the guys reading out of a new King James Bible can can we talk to him about this? Yeah, and he was permitted to stay for a while, and you know eventually they talked to him And he ended up getting a King James, but you know it wasn't by conviction That's because he was at the Bible College where they required a King James Bible And so I saw a lot of that stuff and when I was there it wasn't that wasn't really a common thing But later on definitely You know people the college I would say took a began to take a soft stance on King James only ism soul-waning Things of that nature that's a shame and you had mentioned earlier About one of your church members who kind of got thrown out of the college I guess for attending your church, so Do you have I feel like you you and I've talked about this in the past? But you've had some experiences where Bible colleges are kind of Disavoweling the quote new IFB or pastor Bruce, Mahia is so scary. You don't want to rub shoulders with this guy I What kind of experiences have you had where Bible colleges are basically just swearing off the new IP saying? Have nothing to do with them, or we'll kick you out or you know what what can you share on that? well before I say anything about that let me just say is that there's a lot of Bible college students that actually like the new IP and There's actually and I'm just not talking about my old college, but there's other colleges where they have new IP listeners and So and I would think I would say it's probably the students that are there for the right reasons in the sense of they want To learn the Bible they want to get involved in full-time Christian service, and they love the truth And you know we're in the age of the internet. We're you know YouTube and all these things and so They hear about something and then they tune into the preaching and I've had many students who go to Bible college Tell me that they listen to my sermons even though they're in North Valley Baptist North our Golden State Baptist College West Coast Baptist College You know that there's people there that listen to the new IFB and so But it's it's obviously not the students that are against us the leaders the leaders don't like the students to be exposed to this type of preaching Because it messes with their money. You know you know because then they could potentially get out they might hear a sermon on You know how Bible College is worthless, and they might leave Bible College and actually get into a leather-lung You know Bible believing King James only soul wanting Church and and get training there But as of recently I haven't really heard much as far as you know Colleges speaking out against the new IFB when I was a but when I was a Bible college teacher I heard a lot of them, and you know mainly it was obviously against Pastor Anderson and You know there's meetings at the college where the leader would get up and say this is not a Steven Anderson Church This is not a new IFB College. This is not a Steven Anderson College We do not believe the same and so stop spreading that nonsense and you know they would they would just rip on the new IFB in that in that way and You know they obviously felt threatened by Pastor Anderson. They felt threatened by the new IFB And I think it's because of the fact that young people were gravitating towards new IFB preaching and so they feared that they would become radicalized or something and start believing the Jews are not God's chosen people and you know start hating sodomites, and you know just become these overly zealous type Christians and and end up stirring the pot at the college and so You know that was really big when I was there and I just remember multiple meetings and staff meetings where they would go over that and just kind of Just do a lot of damage control where they're just like don't listen to them You can't listen to this preaching you can't do this you don't go and you know obviously that's one of the reasons that I was let go is because of that and So the guy who got kicked out of my head of the college there You know he it was he came to Faith Board Baptist Church, Los Angeles when Pastor Anderson was preaching he wanted to come here and preach and he came and he posted on his Instagram a picture with Pastor Anderson and Soon thereafter they're like you got to go so they booted him out, and I just I don't know I don't remember what it was. I don't know if it was like a Sunday night or a Thursday night I was like preaching and he just comes walking into the church and And You know later on we're like hey, what's going on? He's just like I got kicked out you know he's just I they didn't do not they kicked me out for coming to this church and So you know we we all high-fived him and congratulated him Probably the best thing that ever happened to him Yeah Yeah, cuz he ended up. I mean he ended up being here, and he he's now he's married. He has a son He has a family he's involved here. I mean I'm sure he's learned a lot more He can enjoy the Bible more. I mean I could see why they're threatened. I mean if I lived in LA And I had a Bible college I would be afraid of anybody learning about Pastor Mejia because go learn way more from him way cooler Church I mean they got the merch too. I mean you know that's the one thing about college They have the merch but Pastor Mejia has cooler merch So you know you got to go to first works Baptist Church if you're anywhere near LA Ben did you have anybody demonize the new I have beat you while you're going to church or interested in Bible college or anything do you? Have any experience like that yeah absolutely even in Jacksonville Florida at an old IFP church pastored by somebody who now by the way is Has decided to advance and progress away from the King James Bibles no longer King James only that's a whole different topic Okay, I think you're talking about Adam Fannin He's a loser yeah, he's that's a totally different story there, too. He should go to Bible college Yeah, I agree with that, but no they were I mean I had people come up to me and just be like hey Have you heard of this preacher from Arizona? He's a really Extreme guy, and he says that sodomites should receive capital punishment And he's super extreme I think his name is like Anderson something so people would come up to me with that kind of Rhetoric and I witnessed church leadership Just attack pastor Anderson mercilessly. Oh if this guy were in our church. We'd kick him out, and I hate him He's a complete just loser. They would attack him like I said showing no mercy whatsoever and here's the thing as a Naive baby Christian, I'm walking in here, and I'm thinking oh, this is an independent fundamental Baptist Church I bet they're all like faithful word. They're all friends They all like pastor Anderson, so I walk in and a few weeks later When I found out how much they hated him My stomach kind of sunk because I was like oh, man That's such a bummer because I kind of I mean I liked other aspects of the church But yeah the leadership and other church members would Confide in me quote-unquote that pastor Anderson was really horrible guy, and so they were Of course very upset with me when I left to go to steadfast Well, you know when it looks when we look at Bible College as a whole you know There's definitely kind of a King James only independent fundamental Baptist Realm where there's some Bible colleges and things like that, but as a whole most of them are not King James only most of them are not Baptists even necessarily a lot of crazy things are going on in these places and you would think that those would be the most liberal but even amongst independent fundamental Baptist it seems like they're going crazy too, and I want to play a clip of John getch, and it's something that I had made a long time ago but it's he's I believe the president of West Coast Baptist College and That church there is Lancaster Baptist Church pastored by Paul Chapel and John getch You can go on YouTube right now and find the sermon on their YouTube channel that we're gonna play a clip from so it's not like this guy is recanted or change his opinion But the guy has just become crazy. I mean Not even just like liberal like extreme, and I don't understand exactly the motivation here I you know I think that some of these individuals are just feeling the pressure to Increase enrollment or to appease certain people and so maybe they just money is just too big of a factor And they just kind of accept some liberal stuff But I also wonder if some of these people are just wicked some of them are just super evil You know from your perspective pastor me here. I know that you're pretty close over there to Lancaster Baptist Church. Do you think these guys are? I'm just coming from like they're just like a wicked element, or do you think it's just a lot of pressure to kind of Maintain the status quo and keep enrollment up and just kind of get the money flowing I Think it's both we went to we would go to Lancaster Baptist Church every year for their fine arts competition And we met a lot of their leaders and and kind of fellowship with their students And I feel like I met both types where there was just really these watered-down soft-soaked type of Christians who were believers, but they just kind of took a took a soft stance on a lot of the controversial issues of the day But then you'd have these other individuals, or it's just like I don't know about this person red flags They you know they teach repent of your sins type gospel they Don't seem very sincere. They just they seem like they're really bad people you get the you get the false prophet vibe from them and You know when you have a church that big and a college that big a lot of infiltrators can easily make their way within that institution You know because of the fact that the leaders who are saved and the leaders who? You know they believe the Bible. They're still taking a soft stance and so they often tolerate it and Allow that stuff into the church, and they won't fight against it and so in my experience when it comes to these colleges like Golden State and West Coast Baptist colleges you have a mixture of both and Unfortunately the saved are often the ones who defend the the wicked ones as seen with Mike Zachary for example and so Yeah, well We're about to switch over to a rumble only stream, and so I just wanted to prepare you guys We're gonna play a clip here and Unfortunately, it's got a little bit of YouTube censorship, but once we get off of stupid ju-tube. I mean YouTube We'll be able to say whatever we want and as the topic will get a little bit spicier It's probably very much needed, but I want to play this quick clip and we'll talk about it for a second But we're gonna be switching over to you to rumble. I'll put the link in the description as well But let's go ahead and play the clip Every human being regardless of their ethnic background their education their financial status their religious beliefs and sexual orientation Deserves to be treated with respect and dignity Let me say it again Every person on this planet regardless of their sexual orientation deserves respect and dignity And it has this guy John getch okay independent fundamental Baptist, and here's what he said he said every person on this earth deserves respect and dignity regardless of their sexual orientation This is in a Baptist Church in the house Of God Be that bold Can you stand up behind your pulpit as a man of God and not think God's gonna strike you dead To stand up and talk about people sexual orientation You're wicked How can you get behind the sacred death have some respect for the house of God for God's word for God Does it talk about a sexual orientation? It talked about sodomites Filthy dogs pile fruit be damnation and hell Because you know what if he's not Then why is he so soft and interested in defending yeah I Was a clip a little while ago, and Kind of lost Yeah, we're gonna be going to rumble here just a few minutes so we can talk about this a little bit more in detail, but Isn't that just insane? Pastor me here to see a fun. I mean this isn't this isn't like a liberal University This is a fundamental Baptist University our caught Bible College president and at a fundamental Baptist Church Preaching this kind of stuff. I mean I know you're aware of this clip But I mean what what in the world? Yeah, I mean the guy is a complete false prophet the guy is a complete fag-loving idiot because of the fact that you know any Baptist preacher evangelist who gets up and says something like that Obviously you know pastor Anderson would say how can be so bold it's because of the fact that the guy is not even safe the guy obviously sincerely feels his way about sodomites and So you know I just don't know that like a safe person can just get up and say something like that you know what I mean right and Obviously John gets is not safe because he teaches a repent of your sins gospel But you know that definitely is the icing on the cake when it comes to that you can see that the guy is obviously He obviously disregards the Bible does not respect He respects people more than he respects the Word of God he respects people's sexual orientation More than he respects Leviticus 2013 and so the guy's a complete joke, and I hope you die soon Well tell us how you really yeah, we need to play the uncensored clip so you guys have less than 60 seconds We got like 90 people watching on YouTube You're gonna have to make an exodus if you want to follow the show and I think you can catch it on Facebook as well But rumble out there. 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