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Revolution Radio proudly presents, live from Phoenix, Arizona, the Truth and I Talk Radio with host, Roxy Lopez. Join us here for topics you won't hear about on mainstream news, such as chemtrails, GMOs, nutrition, and conspiracy facts regarding your personal sovereignty. Humanity is 7 billion strong. We are the majority. And now, live from the Valley of the Sun, your host, Roxy Lopez. And I hope you're having a great evening. I love the holidays, don't you? We're halfway through the month of December, pretty much, and I really look forward to Christmas, New Year's, and all the rest. We have a lot going on at The Truth Denied. We participated in quite a few fundraisers for some of our colleagues. And of course, I just want to congratulate my home here, Revolution Radio. They had a telethon all weekend, and it was quite amazing. Apparently, I got word that a thousand dollars was raised, and that's just absolutely fabulous. So congratulations to Revolution Radio, and I want to thank our beloved owner and someone who works extremely hard at keeping this all going, which is Hawk, Nighthawk, and he's just doing a fabulous job. He is here, rain or shine, kind of like the postman, except 24-7. I don't know, this man just never even gets to sleep. Anyway, our show tonight is going to be very educational for you all, and my first guest that will be joining us shortly. His name is Howard Stein, and a lot of you are very familiar with Howard Stein. If you want to look at some of the interviews I've done with Howard prior, just go to our YouTube channel or go ahead and go to our website, which is thetruthdenied.com, and just put in the search engine there, Howard Stein, and you'll get all the information up. But Howard is a brilliant man. He is not an activist, per se. He does radio. He does music on 7, 8, 90 hits all the time, all around the clock, and he actually is somebody that I met many years ago, and he wasn't part of the conspiracy theories or whatsoever, but a couple of years ago, he started to notice something, and he started to look into it and read into a lot of information revolving around the year 2012. And as you all know, this has become, for many years, 2012, and here we are, and here we are several days away from the end of the Mayan calendar, December 21, 2012, and this has sparked many people's not only imagination, but it's brought on fear. Many religious groups think it's the end of the world. There's a variety of conversation. It's very controversial. Many people don't believe anything is going to be any different on the 21st than it was the day before, sort of like New Year's every year, you know, you don't really feel a shift or anything like that. But Howard has a very precise feeling about this, and he's also, you know, pretty much a prepper, you know, having been served in the military many years ago as well. He was a bodyguard for I believe 18 or 19 years in Hollywood for some of the big, big stars. He learned a lot about surveillance and how to protect somebody. That's what he did, and they all loved him dearly. I don't believe Howard was ever fired from a job. We'll ask him when he gets on the air. But my point being that he and his family are going to be leaving on the road, I believe any day now. They are prepped to leave on the road. They're taking animals, they're taking their family, and they're going to a safer place for the 21st. And of course, Howard has mentioned on the show before that, you know, if nothing happens, nothing shakes, nothing rolls, you know, then so be it. But nevertheless, his prepper attitude is for disasters anyway, that we can all use this. My husband and I personally, you know, for many years, you know, we have the, you know, wind-up radio, solar radio, wind-up flashlights, you know, it's just something good to have. Several other things that you can have if you want to go further. There's food that, you know, 25-year shelf life, things like that. It's always good to be prepared, you know, especially with the catastrophic weather that's been occurring all around the world. It seems to be speeding up. Many places of the world are getting hit two or three times in a year when they didn't get hit one time in a decade. So, you know, with whatever it is, a hurricane, a tsunami, an earthquake, what have you. So it's always good to be prepared. And, you know, Howard has a really great attitude about it. At the same time, it's very chilling to speak with Howard because how he brings into the picture a lot more than you and I would normally see in front of us. So without any further ado, we do have Howard Stein on. And by the way, with the second half of the show, it's going to also come right into this topic as well. I'm very privileged, very honored to have Pastor Steven Anderson on the show. We're going to talk about a documentary film produced by Paul Wittenberger called After the Tribulation. So he'll be on in about a half an hour or so. And Paul Wittenberger will also be joining us. So stick around. This is going to be, you know, quite the show. OK. And without any further ado, I'd like to welcome my friend, Mr. Howard Stein. Howard, how are you? Not bad, Roxy. How are you doing? I'm doing pretty good. I'm real curious to hear where you're at right now on the 11th. I know that you're going to be heading out of town and you have some things to talk about, so go for it. OK. You know, I read a couple of comments. I have to address one that just put me in stitches. I am not a Zionist plot leader to overthrow and lead everyone. That was actually a statement that I picked up on YouTube that I saw written there and it gave me a good laugh. Anyway, I'll tell you where I'm at. I have my vehicle loaded. I have a CB. I'm going to be on Channel 22 every afternoon at one p.m. I'm going to fire the puppy up. I'll be pulling out of what I call is the ring of fire. That's where I live and that's why I'm leaving. It's not a great place to be. And all I could say is, another point I want to make to people out there is hopefully nothing will happen. I am the biggest cheerleader to hope for that because my kids are in Los Angeles. My grandkids are in L.A. and I will lose family members and I am a huge cheerleader. I'm nothing happening. And if you wonder if I will be disappointed, absolutely not. I will be opening and picking up a bottle of champagne and celebrating. Anyway, I did pack up and I loaded up the vehicle and a lot of people think survival means the things that you could bring with you. Obviously, you cannot bring the entire department store or supermarket with you. It's a short-term deal. May it be six months' worth of things, nine months' worth of things. But the true survival is doing your environment and being in tune with it. And I basically am going to Nevada. And from Nevada, Carson City, if things do happen, I will be heading towards the Colorado River where there is water, where there's fish, where there's small game. And I also did a research of all the indigenous native tribes that happen to exist in that area for thousands of years and do quite well. And I was studying all their methods of hunting and trapping and so on. That is survival. Being one with the nature around you. That's where survival really kicks in. And I just want to tell people, the worst case scenario is you have a, if you take this serious, you have a disaster kit, which I procrastinated on for many years. And I've been through the Northridge earthquake. I've been through the Selmar earthquake. And I have seen devastation and the ground kicking out from under me firsthand. And all I can say is I procrastinated like so many people did. And this incident motivated me. I finally got it together. So the worst case scenario, if nothing happens, I come back here and I have one hell of an earthquake kit, which I should have put together 10 years ago. And I think everyone out there should have some emergency kit of some kind because I don't care where you live. You could be Midwest. You have the Madrid fault that could erupt. You could be down South. You could be hit with storms once again, East Coast storms once again, tornadoes. We all have our problems that hit and we're just too relaxed about it. And we just think the government is going to come and ride in and rescue us. And rescuing begins with yourself and motivating yourself and family and friends. That's where the process really begins. And a perfect example, Staten Island. They received a one week warning that they were going to be hit. Then it was three day warning to evacuate. You are definitely being hit. It's definitely coming in. The day after the storm left, I saw people on the news in the street. One woman really stands in my mind crying, saying, I don't have gas for my generator. I have no food and I have no water. She had seven days to get that together. And with a mandatory evacuation and a three day notice, she procrastinated further. And then she has nothing. And where's the government? Well, picture a bigger scale incident. The government's not going to be there. It's really up to you. And anyway, you want to go. That's about all I had to say on that subject. Where do you want to go from here? Well, you know, the focus, I guess, would be like at this time, Howard, because you are leaving where you live to another state because of the 21st. I guess I'd want to ask you why the 21st? In other words, are you subscribing to something that may happen because of the Mayan predictions or indigenous tribes, et cetera? You know what I mean? Or what's the deal with that? Why now? Okay. The deal with that is I've never been one to jump on scenarios in the past. There's always been doom and gloom crap and I've always kicked back in a chair and just rolled my eyes at it. But for the very first time, I really read into this because it really did interest me. And I find prophecy meeting science meeting religion and all three seem to be in agreement here. And that sparked attention. And the more I started reading up on this, the creepier it got. For instance, a lot of people made comments. The Mayans didn't put in a leap year so the date has got to be off. And that sounds really cool, but if you look up about the Mayans, they didn't base their calendar and time mechanism system on the one we use today. They were far more advanced than we are. They did not need to add that leap year. Matter of fact, they line right up with the atomic clock and they're only off, one, they're only off by the atomic clock, I believe three one hundredths or five one hundredths of a second. And that is it on the timekeeping method. And they're not based on a calendar system. So when they say the 21st, they mean the 21st. And then I noticed other comments in the past about if they're so gifted in predicting, why didn't they predict the Spanish invasion and the demise? And I want to address that one real fast. The Spanish invasion, meaning Cortez, that landed in South America in 1519, the Mayans predicted he would land on that exact date, except the Mayans wrote it down 200 years before it occurred. So they predicted not only the invasion, they predicted that date and even that day, 200 years before. So they're definitely gifted people there. And science is now picking up that we're having, we escalated, I believe, in seismic activity 500%. Everyone sees the weather change. I don't care where you live. It's different from what you're accustomed to. And there's the storms, the frequency of them and the size of them. Something's brewing. And once again, I got to say prophecy, science and religion are all meeting on one subject. And they got my attention. So it warrants enough to take action. And that's exactly what I'm doing on this one thing. I am taking action. And like you said, if nothing happens on that date, you know, nothing catastrophic, you know, an earthquake or a tornado or whatever, you know, you're relieved and you go back home. But you've also discussed before that, but this sort of prepper attitude, if you will, isn't going to change for you, correct? No, because just because this is over, I live in the ring of fire. I could be hit with a catastrophic earthquake five minutes from now. As far as the 21st go, I don't know what's going to happen on the 21st. I'm not pretty to these top secret information whatsoever. It's just a lot of research and a lot of reading I've done that tells me that this could be something to this take precautions. And if I take precautions, something happens. Well, I am in a good situation for people that took no precautions, roll their eyes up and said, nothing's going to happen. I would really hate to be you if something does occur. Correct. We have a question from one of the listeners and they're asking which area of the Colorado River above Lake Mead or below the Hoover Dam? Below and the odds are by the time I get there, there would be no dam. If this goes down and I'm doing that truck, I can guarantee the Hoover Dam doesn't exist. Gotcha. So there's no dam, but there's still water. Oh, yeah, it's a natural river and it would resume its course of a natural. Gotcha. Gotcha. Thank you. And by the way, any more listeners, if you've got any questions, feel free to put them in the chat. The producer will get those questions to us. So Howard's only going to be on the show for about another 10 minutes. So get your questions in. Howard, how are you feeling about, you know, as far as intuitiveness goes, I'm just curious. I don't think I've ever asked you that. Are you feeling, you did say it, that something is up, but as far as, right? Yeah, I did. Something's up, something, you know, I don't know what it is. Something is up in the air. I think most people out there feel it. Well, what and not, you're basically, would you say that if the 21st, if nothing happens and this became a really good trial run for you and your family, like a good exercise? If the 21st occurs and nothing happens, I return, thank God, back to the house and I still have a family that's alive in LA, which I will be quite thrilled about. At that point, I have a good earthquake kit for anything in the future that occurs. I live in an area called the Ring of Fire. It is prone to get a mega quake and a half and could happen anytime. And I have three volcanoes that are quite alive, one to the north, two to the south. People remember Mount St. Helen. Well, that's my home state. True, true. There's some new evidence to support that. You know, scientists are even saying now that there isn't even anything such as an extinct volcano. You know, they used to say after 300 or 400 years that the volcano was extinct and now they're starting to realize that they're not. There's no such thing as an extinct volcano. And, you know, in mentioning that the Ring of Fire, not only are we having the earthquakes and the magma and the plates shifting, but we're also having volcanoes going off all over the world, you know, so and it does seem to be culminating. That's the difference. It's not like one event every 10 years or one event every five years. It seems to be culminating and happening quicker. Would you agree with that? Without a doubt, I believe it's 172. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Let's see. I think it's 172 as far as volcanoes activating in the past year. That's extreme. Yeah, that is extreme. And you and I were just discussing even earlier today about the, you know, the Philippines. I mean, it's just it's tremendous. And it does seem like one after the other. And you're talking catastrophic stuff. You know, it's like this Hurricane Sandy. I mean, that wasn't just, you know, a minor hurricane or a big hurricane that hit. It spread through 14 states. I mean, the satellite photos of it were enormous. Just absolutely the devastation. I mean, they're going to be counting numbers, you know, for four years to come. This is becoming the norm. Catastrophic events every single week. They're not even reporting. We were talking about that earlier. They are not even reporting it anymore on mainstream news. Then you and I discussed that earlier. And that's very interesting. You know, people who are listening to the show right now try just looking on Google, searching on Google for your mainstream news regarding some of the stuff in the Philippines that's happening lately. I mean, Philippines was hit by a seven point nine earthquake only in August of 2012 and now just got wiped out by a typhoon. You know what I mean? Indonesia the other day, seven two. Yeah. And but I guess my point was going to be exactly exactly. My point was going to be, you know, for the listeners, try it out, start searching, do a Google search and see what comes up. You're going to be amazed. And then if you have any of you who watch mainstream news, Howard's correct. They're not even mentioning this stuff on the news. And remember the days? I mean, I was there, too, Howard, as you were in the Northridge earthquake. I mean, it was on the news forever. All over. It was now. It was world news. The whole world was watching. So all of a sudden or I shouldn't say all of a sudden, but in the last few years, I've noticed the same. I've noticed that we're not the news isn't reporting these big events as as they should and as they used to. And these are seven point nine. Come on. A seven point nine earthquake? I know it's not being reported. I just scan and I get the information all the time and I have to look for it now. It doesn't come over the news anymore. What do you think that is? You know, I don't know. And another creep factor about this entire scenario going on is the underground excavation that has been going on from coast to coast with our little government. I mean, we're not talking millions and we're not talking billions. We're talking trillions. The underground networks that are going on right now in Missouri, Arkansas, Texas, your home state, Arizona. Well, it's not your home state, but Arizona. It's going on all over. And so what do they know that they're not telling us and why are they spending such elaborate amounts of money tunneling? That that's a creep factor, too, that comes to my mind. I don't know what's tied into this, but it's just just another thing on the list when you go prophecy, science, religion and government lately, their activities. Correct. And what's interesting, it is a cover up. You know, I covered that right here in Arizona and from the first blast that we heard a 40 mile radius. And the police department, who is within two miles of my home, claimed the first time that they didn't know what I was talking about, nor all the other hundreds of people that were calling. And it's been a cover up ever since. And it's happening all over the United States. And people are describing it the same way I do. It's a very loud shaking boom, but it comes from under the ground. You just know you feel ground shake. You know, it's coming from under the ground. And it's not because it's a rumor or anything. But listen, I only have five minutes left with you. And so what I wanted to ask you is, can you give us from the, you know, your list of things that you use for prepping that you've put together? Can you give us a few of the items that you've done that you find it very? Sure. A basic survival is the number three. Always remember the number three. It's a real easy one. And that stands for three days, no water. You're dead. Three weeks without food. You're dead. Um, my diet, basically what I've stored is really easy. It's rice and beans, two thirds of the world population survive off of that. Anything else you come across? Wonderful. Rice and beans, easy to store, easy to package and easy to transport. And so that is basically it. And as far as water goes, you should get a nice amount of bleach because a lot of bleach could actually purify and make the water safe to drink. You could Google on how much bleach to use, make sure you don't get it scented. And, um, basically the elements you need is shelter. Tent takes care of that. You need fire and you need a food and water. And what about any communication devices? Do you have anything? Yeah, I am on a CB radio. We'll be on a 22 channel 22 when I'm driving, sometimes channel 19. It depends on reception and I will have that puppy on when I pull out of Washington, uh, the 18th and I will have it on in Nevada. And if things are all wonderful and I could return home, which I will be thrilled about, uh, I'll have it on and if things go south and I'm heading towards the Colorado, I will have that puppy on. There's going to be a lot of good people out there in the same predicament, in the same boat. Do you know anybody else that's heading out the, uh, your, your way where you're heading to? Uh, no, but there is a, from what I understand, a prepper login site that basically guides you to decent people and locations. I'm a loner on this one. Yeah, no doubt. And I think a lot of people would be, don't you, don't you think? Um, yeah, yeah, because, uh, there's a lot of people doing it. I know a lot of people that are doing this as well. And, um, yes, go ahead. Oh, one thing I want to address that really makes me sick, people that profit off of this in any way, shape or form on people's fears and you know, on what's going on, that they're turning it into a business and they're stuffing their pockets with cash. That is repulsive to me. By overpriced goods and overpriced foods and overpriced everything. Exactly. And now if you feel you need something, go on, go on the internet, go to Amazon, you could order it. It's a little late in the game now, but rice and beans, for instance, could get it in bulk at so many different places. At the Mormon church, contact your local Mormon church because they have a, uh, the Bishop house and they have all this stuff already canned for you with 25 year shelf life. So I've got another question for you from the audience. Uh, so you feel fuel and or generators may be lower on the list? No, I have a generator, but you could live without electricity. You can, the main thing on survival, the basic is it's late in the game right now. If you have your generator and you have all your stuff, cool, you're set. If you're sitting back, listening to this right now saying, I don't have crap. Um, uh, the best thing in the world that you could do is do I have any fishing gear? Throw it in the vehicle. Do I, do I have rice and beans? Let me go out and get a 200 pounds of some rice, 200 pounds of some beans that will hold me over. Absolutely. Well, Howard, it's, it's always a pleasure. I've got to let you go. We've got like 20 seconds. Hi, welcome back to the truth denied. I'm Roxy Lopez. Now for the remainder of the show, this is going to get really interesting for those of you who have already missed the first part of the show, uh, with Howard Stein. Don't worry, we'll have it up in an archive or you can look up anything on the truth denied.com. We have everything linked for our guests as usual. My next guest or a pair of guests, I should say first is pastors, Steven L Anderson and Pastor Anderson has a really interesting story that he's going to share with us. Uh, he has been a pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. So I guess I would like to meet him someday in person. He's been in Tempe, Arizona for the past seven years. He and his wife have been married for over 12 years and they have seven children. In April of 2009, he was beaten and tasered by the US border patrol at an internal checkpoint 60 miles from the border for refusing a warrantless search of his vehicle. He was later declared not guilty on all charges and a full jury trial. Pastor Anderson is an expert in Bible prophecy and has over 140 chapters of the Bible memorized including the entire book of Revelation. So this is going to be very interesting. We're also going to be joined by Paul Wittenberger who produced yet another film after the tribulation to which Pastor Anderson is a big voice, a big part of the documentary film. So first I would like to welcome onto the show Pastor Anderson. Welcome and thank you for being here. Thanks for having me on. Excellent and of course I believe we do have Paul Wittenberger on the line as well. Paul, welcome to the show. You can pop on if you need to. Yes, thank you, Roxy, for having us on. This is going to be an exciting show. I can't wait to hear it myself. Thank you, right on. So, if I may, I wanted to get a little bit more insight, Pastor. I'm alarmed at what happened to you in regards to the beating at the US border patrol. Can you give us a little bit more insight on that and what your feelings of the matter and what this has to do with perhaps even after the tribulation, the film? Sure, it actually does tie in with the film, but I travel a lot for business. In addition to being a pastor, I also run a fire alarm business that operates in California and Arizona and so I travel back and forth every week and I've driven through these checkpoints hundreds of times and what they are are border patrol checkpoints but they're not on any border. They're nowhere near the border. They're on roads that don't even cross the border and you pull up to these checkpoints and a lot of times they just wave you through but a lot of times they want to ask you if you're a US citizen. They ask you where you're coming from, where you're going or they might ask you to open the trunk, open the hood so that they can search you. Well, I drove through these things many, many times, didn't really think much of it, but then I started to wake up around 2008 and realize, wait a minute, this isn't right. I shouldn't have to answer these questions and be searched. I'm an American. I'm just going about my business. So in 2009, on that fateful night, I pull up on April 14th and I wouldn't answer any questions. I wouldn't let them search my trunk. So there was a standoff that ensued for about the next 75 minutes where I just sat in my car with the doors locked, refusing to let them come in and search. Well, finally after 75 minutes, they brought out the police, told me I was under arrest and so forth and they ended up shattering my windows of my car and they really lied to me because they made it seem as if they were just going to break my passenger window in order to enter my car. But there was another guy that was hiding at the back of my driver's side of the vehicle and as soon as he was about to break the window, they told me to close my eyes. So I closed my eyes, put my hands over my face and next thing I knew, the window right next to my head was shattering. Just out of nowhere, inches from my head, that window was bashed in with a baton and I was shot by a taser and so the electricity shot through my body and when you get hit with these tasers, you're totally paralyzed. You can't move. I couldn't even scream. I was trying to scream. Well, the next thing I know, a hand reaches in from the driver's side, grabs my head, shoves it down into the little mountain range of broken glass that was left after they busted out the window and a guy just ground my head into that broken glass. I could just feel the warm blood coming down my face. That went on for almost 22 seconds. The taser, well let me say this, the taser was activated for 22 seconds straight which is a really long time when you're being tasered and then they rolled me out onto the ground, stepped on my head, finally handcuffed me and brought me to the border patrol trailer and then they drove me to the emergency room, put 11 stitches in my head and then I spent the night in jail. Then the next day they released me after having charged me with failure to obey and also blocking the highway because I was stopped at a checkpoint that they forced me to stop at. And you obviously knew you're right so they weren't allowed to do an illegal search and seizure of your vehicle but that's very interesting that they let you go the next day. Right, well they let me go the next day because after they searched my vehicle there was nothing illegal found. So to follow there was, right, now there was a trial, correct? Right, there was a trial because of course when they searched my vehicle they didn't find anything illegal because the way the police's mentality is that if you won't let them search you, you must have something to hide. When in reality the reason I wasn't letting them search me was because I value my fourth amendment rights as an American and that was the reason that I did not let them search me was just because I was standing on principle. So when they searched my vehicle I guess they expected to find something illegal, of course they did not find anything illegal. So you know fast forward a little over a year later we finally went to trial there was a jury impaneled and I was found not guilty on all charges and one of the jurors even walked up to me after the trial shook my hand and said thank you for standing up for our rights as Americans. So that was great but I'm suing them obviously for feeding the living daylights out of me and tasering me for 22 seconds you know putting me in jail for no reason but obviously that takes years and years and years so I'm not sure when that's going to happen. But that's unfortunate but it also gave light to something I mean it made you aware of something didn't it? Absolutely and I think it really woke up a lot of people that maybe they hear about these things but it's always somebody else and they don't really think much of it but when they heard about it happening to me I think it really woke them up that wow you know here's an innocent guy just driving home from work and he just doesn't want to be totally invaded and have his privacy totally invaded by them searching his vehicle and I mean they beat him to the you know within an inch of my life there I mean they beat I didn't even know what was going to happen I mean you got to put yourself in the situation you know sure I made a full recovery but at the time you don't really know how it's going to turn out when you got this this gang of thugs beating you up in electrifying you you don't really know how it's going to turn out. Yeah it's definitely an emotional journey at that point and it's a very abusive one at that and you're absolutely right because if they're going to stop you and do this to you you know beat you and try to search you know your your car illegally without a warrant etc then then they can set you up and put you behind bars in Guantanamo with this new NDAA executive order that says we can you know our military can arrest anybody any United States citizen for the first time in the history of the United States of America that a military you know employee or whatever can arrest a US citizen without detain indefinitely with no warrant and ship you off to Guantanamo so yeah I can see that your head was probably spinning and you were probably afraid that if they did this at this checkpoint what are they going to do with me next. Exactly exactly right now here's where this fits in to the new documentary that Paul Whittenberger has produced these checkpoints I believe are just one small piece of the puzzle of an infrastructure that's being put in place to enforce global government to enforce a one world system one world religion that the bible has told us is coming and there's a false doctrine out there that's called the pre-trib rapture and pretty much 90 some percent of evangelical Christians today they believe in this doctrine called the pre-trib rapture and because they believe in the pre-trib rapture they don't mind these checkpoints they're not afraid of any of these things because they think they're going to be gone so let me just explain it to you in a nutshell what this teaching of the pre-trib rapture is basically trib stands for tribulation the bible tells us that there's a time coming in the future known as the tribulation and this time of the tribulation is a time that's characterized by world warfare famines disease natural disasters and out of all this chaos basically comes one man that becomes the head of a one world government and that man is known as the antichrist well when the antichrist is fully in power he demands everyone on the earth to worship him and in order to buy or sell the bible says that you'll have to receive this mark of his number or his name in your right hand or in your forehead commonly known as the mark of the beast and the bible says that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name and of course that's where we get the 666 from there in revelation 13 well christians the bible tells us those who are true believers in the lord jesus christ will not be deceived by this guy they're not going to receive this mark in their right hand they're not going to worship him they're not going to receive the mark in their forehead and so therefore he's going to command for them to be killed and they're going to be beheaded and killed in mass numbers now those who believe in this pre-tribulation rapture believe that before any of this happens before any of the events of the tribulation take place that jesus christ will come in the clouds a trumpet will sound and that they will be caught up in the clouds and basically removed from this earth before any of these events take place so when you try to warn them about global government you try to warn them about hey we're going to a cashless society and this is part of the implementation of the system where you're going to need this mark in your right hand or in your forehead in order to buy or sell and you try to warn them about the fact that you know these checkpoints today they're checking your quote-unquote immigration status these checkpoints can be used tomorrow to enforce this type of system of you know you must have the mark of the beast in your right hand or in your forehead and i believe that that's what these checkpoints will eventually be checking for because there is a a produce inspection an agricultural inspection that's on the border of california and arizona and i've driven through it hundreds of times many other people probably have and it's an inspection point where they ask you if you have any fruits or vegetables well i pulled up to that checkpoint before and seen where all of the agricultural people were not there at all and instead it was all border patrol and they were checking citizenship so obviously if you already have the checkpoint and the infrastructure in place it's not hard to quickly change it from an agriculture inspection to a border patrol inspection and then they can change it from a border patrol inspection to a vaccine inspection and then they could change it from a vaccine inspection to a mark of the beast inspection what i'm saying is that the infrastructure is there for them to use checkpoints uh to to check for anything and so if if we believe the bible is the word of god which i do we know there's a one world government coming we know that one man will be at the head of that government he will claim to be the second coming of jesus christ he will claim to be the messiah of judaism he'll claim to be the messiah of islam the imam madhi he will bring all religions and all nations together under a one world government one world religion and all this infrastructure is going to be used by him and by this global government system to enslave the population of the entire world how soon do you think that's going to happen well it's hard to say when it's going to happen i don't know exactly when it's going to happen but when i see the trends today of us going to a cashless society at a at a break next feed and i see the trends of the world government developing you know you see nations more and more looking to the united nations as a global government body and i believe that the united nations is an embryonic world government that is going to continue to gain more and more power just like with the invasion of libya basically obama said that he sent troops into libya because he was you know following the mandate of the united nations he didn't need congress so we see more and more that the united states is letting the united nations or nato make decisions for it and so i think we see the technology definitely there for this mark of the beast to be implemented and what's interesting is that the bible says that the mark of the beast will be in your right hand or in your forehead now a lot of modern bible versions have come out in the last few decades that that really twist and pervert the scriptures and one of the things that they've done is that they've all changed it to say on your right hand or on your forehead but the king james bible you know the bible that the majority of english speakers have used for the last 400 years very clearly says that the mark will be in your right hand or in your forehead so this could very likely be some kind of an implantable chip and the bible is clear that in order to get the mark you must worship the antichrist you must worship this man this messiah figure that's going to come and bring all religions together and if you will not worship him the commandment is that you'll be killed if you do worship him then you receive this mark in your right hand or in your forehead so i could easily see someone you know having to go to the grocery store for example and you're going to buy your groceries instead of pulling out cash instead of pulling out a credit card you're basically just going to scan your hand or scan your forehead and that will be how you pay it'll all just be electronic and since we're already on a paper currency which has no intrinsic value i mean it's a piece of paper they could easily say tomorrow if they wanted to those pieces of paper no longer have any value and as soon as the government said that they had no value they wouldn't have any value just like the confederate currency you know as soon as the civil war was over and the south had lost their confederate currency no longer had any value because it's just a piece of paper well it today they could do the same exact thing where they say your paper money is no good anymore we're going completely over to a cashless system and you know there's too much fraud with credit cards there's too much identity theft this needs to be biometric this needs to be something that's installed in your body it's a it's a microchip it's an rfid chip whatever whatever uh technology will be used and this is your identity you're going to just scan to show who you are instead of having to pull out a driver's license use a credit card write a check it's all electronic and uh and they'll they'll also they'll be able to market this a lot of different ways you know oh you know crime will will have a hard time existing because you know black market and cash transactions you know we can use this in the war on drugs you know there are going to be a lot of justifications that they use to implement this system but sure yeah and it makes absolute sense when you reference control it's a great way to control uh all humans on the planet uh with the technology that's already here you know it's already available it's just a matter of implementing it so that's not hard to believe that's not hard to understand and it makes sense when you're quoting you know you will not be able to buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast i mean i've always thought that from when i was a kid i always thought that was a key line there and it bothered me and you know when you're a kid you don't even know what this means you don't even know the implications so you know um you definitely i definitely subscribe to what you're saying personally um before we go any further i want to bring paul uh on on to the show as well um and paul how did you meet the pastor and how did you get the idea to do the after the tribulation uh film well i actually met the pastor years ago when we were making what in the world is a spring uh mike mike murphy and uh i went to uh go see him in arizona and that was the first time we went to his church and and i met him i i heard about him online through you know he has hundreds of videos online you can just google his name pastor steven anderson tons of stuff will come up and uh so that i mean just give you a little background i mean who i am and and you know the importance of the topic that we're going to be discussing today is like i grew up in a christian home my parents are actually missionaries and so i grew up half of my life in liberia west africa and so i've been surrounded by biblical topics my whole life and so but i was always taught this pre-tribulation rapture which which is always kind of weird to me that we're just going to be going along and then we just disappear i mean it seems kind of crazy so and and every time someone tried to show me like explain to me how the the end of the world came about it never made sense to me and so and so when i was googling uh pastor anderson i started listing his end times prophecy stuff and i it just hit home with me because what he was doing is he wasn't giving me his opinion you know it was what he does is he just showed you in the bible exactly what it says and the timeline of events and how it happens it's amazing and once once i understood like basics of how it happened i mean the bible just opened up to you and it just becomes so clear about you know all these events that are going to happen and so that's how basically i got got into him and that's how i found out about him and so and now we're here today and we're making this great film that i'm so proud of that i actually just picked up the final dvd and blu-ray today called after the tribulation so i encourage everyone to go to after the tribulation.com and or kjvprophecy.com and check out all the information on it by the dvd it uh it ships out on the 19th of this month so and uh and i i would be so excited you're really you've been really busy uh um uh paul with your films um and i didn't even hear about this one and and until i think the pastor approached me and i was like i didn't even hear about this one why didn't paul tell me about this but regardless um we do we got four films we're doing right now are you yeah i'm i'm non-stop i so i'm it's really exciting stuff i mean we're going to have another one out by march that's going to be the great calling our food and or i mean our air we're going to do the air one next and then we'll and then by july we're going to have the great calling our food out and then we have also me and pastor are going to do another film together that is going to come out maybe late january we we're still trying to figure out actually probably late february so i mean we're we're busy over here yes you are and and and the public appreciates it i'll tell you that much and we'll we did put all of your links uh for both of you and the pastor into the chat and then of course you know uh what we do with the truth denied we're going to put it together a nice video of this show for you and all of your links and you know advertise the films and so forth so it this just becomes an ongoing network for all of us and so i appreciate that so back to after the tribulation um uh i also i guess i want to ask the the pastor um there's a deeper darker sinister side to this what you term as the uh what would it be preach pre-trib rapture fraud is that correct right the pre-tribulation rapture fraud it is very sinister it is definitely something that the devil has concocted in order to deceive christians so that they will be caught completely unaware when these things come to pass now first of all let me say this the pre-tribulation rapture is a is a new doctrine in the sense that there is no record of it ever being taught before the year 1830 so if we go back through all the historical record and keep in mind 1830 is pretty late in history i mean you've got hundreds and thousands and thousands of sermons books commentaries documents that exist from the 1500 1600 1700s and and on and on you have all kinds of material and there is not one shred of paper before 1830 that records anyone teaching this because of the fact that it is simply not in the bible now let me make clear one thing i do believe in the rapture i'm not saying that the rapture is a fraud i believe that the rapture is taught in scripture and it's taught in first thessalonians chapter four very clearly but the fraud is teaching that the rapture comes before the tribulation when the bible very clearly states that the rapture comes after the tribulation which is where we take the the name of the film so if if you'd like i'd like to just read some of the scriptures from the bible where people are getting this from and and then show you basically where they're going wrong and and where this doctrine is coming from well it sounds like the timeline that you're talking about is different than the timeline that's being taught in many arenas so obviously you know one comes before the other and i'm sure there's an armageddon in there somewhere as well i mean these are really big words um uh that um you know scared the heck out of people if you will and it sounds like they're and i'm very interested and i sure i sure know our listeners are i'm very interested to see where it went south and um where this came came into play and if it's just some made-up document that's been put together by the new world order to be stuck in the middle of everything that people believe to throw everybody off guard so that they're not prepared exactly because let me give you a perfect example i've got a pastor friend in arizona and you know he knew about what happened with me at the border patrol checkpoint he knew about my political views and and this guy is basically just a guy who just whatever the republican party is doing he's pretty much right there with him like a neo-con republican so this guy was always at odds with me on political issues because i'm more of a ron paul supporter i'm not one that that follows the the neo-con wing of the republican party and so he found out that i was preaching against the pre-tribulation rapture and that i was preaching that the rapture takes place after the tribulation and he said to me oh no wonder you're so paranoid now i understand why you're so paranoid about the government well you know let me turn that around on him now i can see why you don't give a rip what the government does now i can see why you're totally asleep and totally not aware of anything that's going on in our country because the pre-tribulation rapture has told you it doesn't matter because before it gets bad we're all going to be gone anyway so we've got nothing to worry about so the vast majority of evangelical christians they're not they're not focused on the tribulation at all this topic is not being preached in churches and so therefore when they hear it they say oh conspiracy theory you know when you try to tell them about all this stuff because they're not being taught the scriptures on this so let me give you first of all let me just give you the main rapture scripture before you get into that we're going to take a quick break we've got about 15 seconds left so when we get back to the from the break let's go directly to that pastor okay good okay and uh paul are you going to be staying with us and welcome back to the second hour of the truth and i talk radio and if you're just joining us it's a fabulous uh show so far and we're just getting really into the depths of a documentary film uh created by paul wittenberger and of course you know the name from what in the world are they spraying and uh the great culling just recently released and of course now after the tribulation uh that is uh as paul had just mentioned is just ready for release as well and so we have both paul wittenberger and pastor anderson who is also a big voice in this film uh on the show today and any of the questions that you may have for us please go ahead and present them in the chat room and our producer will be happy to get them to me so that i can ask them any of the questions that you have um now uh did you need to to uh leave us soon paul because if you do then i have a couple of questions for you and then we can let you go and then i would definitely want to get back to what the pastor was just going to illustrate for us yeah i need to get going into the next like five ten minutes here that's fine um anything that you want to uh say can you give us the website again for if anybody wants to purchase the film um uh right now let's say sure yeah if you want to go support us please do um go to afterthetribulation.com or um kjvprophecy.com um and then you can find it uh by now and and it ships out on the 19th of this month and so we're very excited about that and and very excited about you know i mean this film is gonna make waves i mean this is not like it is in your face and people are just they're just they no one teaches this and it's true it's straight out of the bible and that's why i think having passed around your show tonight is just so amazing because i mean 140 chapters of the bible he has memorized this guy knows what he's talking about and and it's and and what he's about to show you is just straight from the bible what exactly it says that it's after the tribulation the rapture has to happen after the tribulation Matthew 24 29 says immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened the moon turns to blood you know and and so it's just it's just it's funny to me that all these pretty trippers they they can't even explain you their doctrine they can't sit you down and say this is the this is how it happens you know and and that's why they they don't understand it because they don't read the bible because they just they just repeat what people have told them and so i think i think this show and i'm just really glad that you're having us on your show today so we can get some exposure on this topic i'm i'm glad to do it and thank you for taking the time paul you know it's it's no big deal um again you know what you're describing uh paul and and pastor anderson you're also describing what i call um there there is a sense in the whole world uh in all of humanity of uh of an awakening of a spiritual paradigm shift occurring the old isn't working anymore anymore um the awareness is coming from the um let's say the revealing you know uh the more awareness that we spread the more that we teach others of what is true and what we have been lied to the matrix of lies if you will the more the old paradigm no longer fits it no longer works it's systemically broken so i think that your work here is is just is is a a big part if you will a part a piece of the puzzle it's it's easy to recognize that just a big piece of the puzzle of uh the the world that we have lived in we've been trapped within lies and we've been taught uh to to we haven't been taught empowerment even unfortunately in spiritual practices and religious practices certainly not government practice there seems to be a sense of less self-empowerment that's been taught so i think that this is just one more uh big piece of the puzzle of the work that you have both done so paul we really appreciate it that you keep bringing these types of topics um as your past films to the forefront and we're always privileged and honored uh to um get the word out for you so that's not a problem so much roxy i i mean i really appreciate what you're doing and and having us on and to talk about these issues it's just it's really important that that these kind of topics get out to people because no one talks about them and everyone's scared to talk about them because no one believes these things but if they're true you know yes i do understand hey you're welcome and it's obvious those of you who are listening you know paul you're a very passionate individual i knew that for the first time i ever spoke to you on the phone uh a few months ago or whatever and um you know uh you you're just pure as far as i'm concerned you're just a pure heart and it's real easy to see that with you so your work will be your work is timeless it will live past you and no worries um and we'll go ahead and let you go and then we'll continue the conversation with pastor anderson okay great thank you so much roxy have a good day you're welcome and you have a great night paul thank you all right bye-bye so pastor anderson and and and in in light of that working with uh paul don't you find him to be so genuine absolutely definitely i've really enjoyed working with him i've gotten to know him a lot better over the past few months working on this film and uh yeah you hit the nail on the head he's a very genuine guy and he really is doing this for all the right reasons and it's really important to him to get the truth out there yeah he's just fabulous um and so are you by the way you're very straightforward you resonate with me you're just uh as paul had been describing you and i mean this you you have a resonance to your voice it's very straightforward you don't have any weirdness to you whatsoever you know so i appreciate i'm intrigued at what you're going to illustrate for us next where we left off at the break last hour so go for it right so let's get into it here is the main passage that anyone who believes in the rapture is going to turn to whether they be a pre-tribulation rapture or a post-tribulation meaning after the tribulation rapture which is what the bible teaches but here's what the bible says in first thessalonians 4 it says but i would not have you to be ignorant brethren concerning them which are asleep that you sorrow not even as others which have no hope for if we believe that jesus died and rose again even so them also which sleep in jesus will god bring with him for this we say unto you by the word of the lord that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the lord shall not prevent them which are asleep for the lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of god and the dead in christ shall rise first then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the lord wherefore comfort one another with these words so what he's saying there is that they have lost loved ones that that were saved but they had passed on they had died and he's calling them the asleep in jesus you know those who've already gone to sleep meaning that they're dead and what he's saying is i don't want you to mourn for them like those who have no hope because you know when jesus christ comes back he's going to bring them with them and then he explains how when jesus christ comes back he's going to come in the clouds a trumpet is going to sound and then we're all going to be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the lord so this is the passage that most graphically or vividly describes what's called the rapture okay now in that passage that i just read you'll notice there was no talk about the tribulation there was no talk about the timing of the rapture in reference to the tribulation he was more talking about the rapture from a perspective of hey this is going to be a time when you you know when you're caught up to heaven and you're going to basically see all your your loved ones again okay but if you read the next verse a lot of people just stop reading there well if you read the next verse chapter 5 verse 1 it says but of the times and the seasons brethren you have no need that i write unto you for yourselves know perfectly that the day of the lord so cometh as a thief in the night so he says right there i don't have to tell you about the timing of this because you already know that the day of the lord cometh as a thief in the night and then he goes on to say other things and explain other things but the bottom line is that the day of the lord is a concept that's found in the bible over and over again all throughout the old testament all throughout the new testament he talks over and over again about the day of the lord the day of the lord the day of the lord the day of the lord and it's always associated with the sun and moon being darkened and i mean we could look at so many scriptures we're not going to but we could look at all the old testament scriptures all the new testament scriptures that talk about how the sun and moon will be darkened before the day the lord come well now listen to this from matthew 24 this is jesus himself preaching in light of what we just read it says in matthew 24 beginning of verse number 29 immediately after the tribulation and that's where we take the title of the film and sometimes i just want to ask people you know what part of after do you not understand immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and then shall appear the sign of the son of man and the son of man is something that jesus christ called himself while he was on this earth it says then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other so there right there jesus christ explicitly said that after the tribulation the sun and moon will be darkened then jesus will come in the clouds a trumpet will sound and he will gather together the elect and if you look up every single time the word elect is used in the new testament the elect is always referring to those that are saved believers christians so basically we have the exact same elements in matthew 24 as we have in first thessalonians 4 here's the difference modern evangelical christians have heard first thessalonians 4 preached hundreds and hundreds of times most of them have never heard the verses that i just read to you from matthew 24 the only way they've ever heard them is if they read the bible on their own because i promised you those three verses that i just read to you from matthew 24 are not being mentioned in any of these churches that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture because those three verses demolish their false doctrine and the way that i learned about this was literally as a 12 year old boy because i grew up in churches where they taught me you know jesus can come at any moment the rapture is going to come at any moment the trumpet's going to sound it might be today i grew up hearing that well literally when i was a 12 year old boy i decided that i was going to read the new testament cover to cover for myself and so of course i started out in the book of matthew the first book of the new testament and i got to chapter 24 i remember it like yesterday sitting in the living room of my house i got to matthew chapter 24 and i read those verses that i just read for you and i looked at that and said you know this says right here that it's after the tribulation that jesus comes in the clouds and the trumpet sounds and he gathers up the elect and from that moment to this i've never believed in this pre-tribulation rapture because it just it just does not line up with scripture and the bible couldn't be clearer here in matthew 24. so this exact uh scripture that i read for you in matthew 24 is also found in mark 13 and it's also found in luke 21 because of course there are the four gospels matthew mark luke and john and they all tell the story of the life of jesus from a different perspective so this this statement about the rapture being after the tribulation shows up in matthew 24 mark 13 and luke 21 well you say well what do you know what do people that believe in a preacher rapture what do they do with these verses well the biggest thing they do with them is just ignore them you know you don't hear them preached in churches they just it's like they don't exist but if you do confront them with these verses the answer that you'll get is this they'll say well the elect is not christians it's not believers they'll say you know that's talking to the jews and they they believe that basically the jews are god's chosen people not christians not those who believe in jesus but rather the jews and so i'll tell you right now this doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture is tied in very closely with the concept of zionism which i do not subscribe to you know i am not a zionist but but most modern evangelical christians have bought into this zionism thing just hook line and sinker and they believe that the jews are god's chosen people and they believe that the united states has to support israel no matter what and that otherwise god's gonna curse us and that somehow the jews have a special blessing upon them and honestly nothing could be further from the truth first of all if you look up every time the term elect is used in the new testament it is always referring to believers and in several cases it is specifically referring to gentiles for example he writes to the thessalonians that they are the elect well the thessalonians are from asia minor they're not he wasn't talking to jews there he's talking to gentiles here's a scripture that just makes it crystal clear that the elect is not referring to the jews he says in colossians chapter 3 verse 11 where there is neither greek nor jew circumcision nor uncircumcision barbarian cithian bond nor free but christ is all and in all put on therefore as the elect of god holy and beloved bowels of mercies kindness humbleness of mind meekness long suffering so there he's writing to the colossians who are not jews but they are gentiles he's writing to these colossians that if you're in christ there is neither jew nor gentile it doesn't matter whether you're a jew or gentile he says you're the elect so i don't know how people can walk away from this and say oh the elect that's the jews that's israel when over and over again the bible makes it clear that in christ there is neither jew nor gentile that you know the jews who don't believe on jesus christ are not god's chosen people because they've rejected christ he has rejected them and if you look at the demographic of the so-called nation of israel which which is a fraud but if you look at the demographic of the so-called nation of israel 99 percent of the of the so-called jews living in the nation of israel do not believe on jesus christ and so according to the bible they are under god's wrath not under god's blessing and so christians have have been taught this basically jew worshiping zionist ideology for the past hundred and some odd years in tandem with the pre-tribulation rapture because it's the only way that you can believe in the pre-tribulation rapture you have to you have to buy into this thing that the elect is talking to the jews and that matthew 24 is talking to the jews it's not talking to christians because it says as clear as day that he comes in the clouds and the trumpet sounds after the tribulation there's just no way around it i mean it's so clear now as far as um you know the this uh rapture and then of course the tribulation the whole timeline of it um on a bigger scale uh regarding christians or non-christians or what have you uh you know humanity if you will is this all tied into any sort of timeline with the mayan calendar at all i do not i do not believe that it ties in with the mayan calendar i do not believe that the mayans were able to predict something like this but i would say this when it comes to the december 21st date i believe that it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the fact that the people who are running our world which you know the bible calls them the rulers of the darkness of this world you know those global elites that are running the show they are into the occult and they are into these type of things and so even though i don't believe that the mayan calendar date has any significance it could have significance if basically someone wants it to have significance or if someone who is controlling things believes in it so it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy where basically somebody makes something happen on that day so i'll i'll say this right now if anything happens on the 21st and i personally do not believe that anything's going to happen on the 21st but if something does happen on the 21st i say it's man-made you know that that's that's the first thing i'm going to look at right or a false flag of sorts or like you said a self-fulfilling where you could you know you literally condition the world to believe that something's going to happen and you can bring it into manifestation there's a there's many many different things that could occur but what's relative to december 21st also is there is definitely a shift there is definitely an alignment an astrological alignment a physical alignment that is going on so there are some things that have been culminating and and it's quite interesting it's quite interesting but as far as the tribulation or the rapture go um you know as far as i can recall and i do mean historically i mean historical books uh that are you know much older than you know me and and and my grandparents and my great-grandparents um the the end of the world scenario those exact words end of the world scenarios have been going on forever ever and ever and ever and ever um and there is no you read something uh and i don't remember remember who is the author i don't know if it was matthew i don't know who it was i was just listening to what you were talking about but i didn't i don't remember the author um but you mentioned that the comes like a thief in the night i think were the words yeah comes like a thief in the night that that would give me the impression that it can be at any time it could be today it could be tomorrow could be a thousand years for now it could be five thousand years for now and the thief in the night to me indicates that you will not know you will not know that it's coming well here's here's the thing that i mean isn't that what it means it's i'm glad you brought that up in the night that term is something that those who believe in a pre-trib rapture will point to they'll say like you just said they'll say well you know because he's coming as a thief in the night therefore that means we don't know when it's going to be it could happen at any moment it's going to sneak up on us and i grew up being told you know it's coming as a thief in the night it's and there was even a movie that came out in the 70s called a thief in the night that depicted the pre-tribulation rapture but here's what's funny about that i read you that verse about the thief in the night right but if you go down literally just a few verses down because that was first thessalonians 5 2 that i read for you if you go down a couple verses in verse 4 it says but ye brethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief so basically he goes on to explain that it's not going to be as a thief in the night to those that are saved he says if you're unsaved it's going to come at an hour that you think not it's going to come upon you unawares it's going to be like a thief in the night but it says but you brethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief ye are all the children of light and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness and then listen to what he says next therefore let us not sleep as do others but let us watch and be sober well what's interesting about that that he tells us you know that if we're watching and we should be watching because we know what the bible says that if we're watching it will not overtake us as a thief what's interesting about that is that in the chapter where he talks about the rapture happening after the tribulation which is mark 13 he says at the very end of the chapter he just finished telling us after the tribulation sun and moon will be darkened jesus comes in the clouds he gathers the elect at the very end of the chapter these are the last words and what i say unto you i say unto all watch so at the very end of that chapter he says i'm not just talking to you i'm talking to all when i say watch and again those who believe in a preacher of rapture they tell you oh mark 13 is only talking to the jews matthew 24 is only talking right and then at the very end he says i'm not saying this just you i'm saying this to all watch and notice he's telling us to watch watch for what i mean if it could happen at any moment if there's going to be no signs of it beforehand then what in the world are we watching for but the bible tells us here that it's going to be as a thief in the night to the to the unbelievers but to those of us that are believers we're going to be watching and he says when you see these things begin to come to pass then look up and look step heads for your redemption draweth nigh correct and that's exactly where i want to go what are these things that come to pass what are the things and i know you talked about the dark moon and the dark sun and everything i mean is that it i mean is that where it's all at that those are the signs or is there more to this because you're using it's interesting that this language is you know so old you know the king james version um translation it's so old yet these are the very words that activists today use please wake up or the sheeple you know because they're asleep or you know uh or the people are asleep it's so fascinating to me when i'm listening to this that we use the same language and what we're referring when we say to people you know wake up it's like they have something that's come over them that you know we're both looking let's say at a chem trail in the sky and one person doesn't doesn't even recognize what it is and the other person's trying to explain to them look they're they're this is artificial weather this is an artificial cloud and how can two people be looking at the same exact thing and one person thinking uh i don't know what that is and i don't care and the other person knows everything that it is you understand what i'm saying i know you know exactly what i'm saying it sounds like it sounds like that the language is the same those who are in the know and those who are just lost exactly right and you know what that's that's what i love about the bible no matter what year you read it in it's always timeless time it's always timely it's as timely as today's newspaper and so that's what i love about it and you're right the difference between the one who looks up at the chem trail and just ignores it or is concerned by it is the difference between the one that's asleep and awake well spiritually the same concept is there those that are awake spiritually in regard to the subject of the tribulation you know they know what the bible has said they've read the bible and when they see these things start to happen they're not going to be surprised they're going to say wait a minute this is the bible's prophecies unfolding before us hey and welcome back to the truth tonight and we are speaking with pastor anderson about after the tribulation uh quite quite an interesting conversation we're having you know in all uh that you're talking about pastor one thing that i i must say that um it can all be very confusing especially if you're not a biblical scholar or you're being you know let's say all the different churches and they're all teaching different things or different pastors or different leaders of churches are teaching one thing or another um how do you i guess what i have a problem with is how do you unify the world if everybody's going to be separating themselves via this type of information how do you unify the world and isn't it important to do so well it you know my goal is not to unify the world i i do not believe that i that we're able to unify the world under anything except evil and if you look at what jesus christ said while he was on this earth he said think not that i'm come to send peace on earth he said i came not to send peace but division and so the word of the bible and the word of god has always divided people and it always will divide people so it's not really a unifying force you know i'm just being honest with you and telling you what the bible says i understand and that doesn't sound good you know that its purpose is to divide well but that is what but whether or not it sounds good that's what jesus said he said think not that i'm come to send peace on earth i came not to bring peace but division and so that's not most people's image of jesus but that's that's a direct quote from him in luke 12 and so jesus christ and his word always bring division the bible says broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in there at because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it so in my opinion the majority is always wrong and the majority will always be wrong now there is a unifying that's taking place at this time but it's a unifying around evil you know you see the unification of all nations into a united nations into a global government you see unifying of religion taking place where you know most christian denominations now are starting to put aside their differences and all kind of join together and rally together but let's be clear on that that is not the citizens of this planet that is not humanity humanity is not all for that humanity is against one world government it is only the government it is only those in power it is only that some of the churches it is only those who are putting this all and nato and the militaries of the world but the people of this world the humans of this world no i i disagree with you we are we are not part of that we are against that for the most part we do not like this well you know that's a valid viewpoint because i mean i i do believe that satan and his minions are orchestrating this from above but at the but at the same time i do see the bulk of humanity or the majority of humanity going along with it i mean the majority of humanity keeps uh putting these people in power i mean yes yes and that is quite a conundrum to me i must say it's a i cannot wrap my mind around that either so i i must admit this to be true at the same time i think that they are operating from a place of unawareness right asleepness uh uneducated darkness which should i guess it fits into what you're saying um you know i what about subscribing to you you're you're sort of uh identifying uh a chosen few are you not well i you know i don't know if i would call it a chosen few because i believe that anybody who wants to can be you know part of the group here because the bible makes it real clear what it takes to become the elect or what it takes to become saved the bible asked the question one time in the bible what must i do to be saved and they said believe on the lord jesus christ and thou shall be saved and thy house and the bible says whosoever will may come so it's not a chosen few as much as it's an opportunity it's an it's an invitation to anyone who wants to to believe on the lord jesus christ and be saved and and to open the bible and read it and to know these things and so you know it is a few you're right it is a few i'll definitely agree with that and somebody even asked jesus that while he was on this earth they asked the question are there few that be saved and you know he answered it in more words but he basically said yes it's few he says the minority it's the minority and that's why i believe it will always be the minority it always has been the minority and and look the majority of this world is going to follow the obamas and romneys of this world and they always have and they always will and the majority is always going to be asleep and the minority is going to be awake that you know i'm sorry you know this is totally catching me off guard i don't think i've ever had a conversation with somebody who's quite said this so i'm sitting here thinking well i thought the uh the purpose you know was unification and and and bringing the world together as one uh the people of this world you know blah blah blah but it doesn't matter um it's it's quite interesting nevertheless because you're you're it this is very interesting to me that's all i have to say because what you're doing is you're pointing out that my thinking is is right i mean you're you're you're validating a few things as well as we go on this along with this show oh questioning line of questioning it's interesting i'd like to have a talk with you off the air but um so in reference to what you were exposing in this after the tribulation uh documentary um what you were exposing is actually quite big i mean how many uh let's let's not turn anybody in unless you want to but how many churches are subscribing to uh the opposite of what the after the tribulation is trying to uh expose how many how many of the churches are preaching the complete opposite okay well i'm an independent baptist say that uh 99 of baptists are preaching the opposite of what this film portrays oh wow 99 and that's being conservative and then if we were to look at say just you know step outside of just baptists and just look at all um you know let's say just evangelical christian churches would say 99 are teaching the opposite but when it comes to uh for example roman catholicism and i i definitely do not subscribe to catholicism and i have problems with catholicism but they they don't really believe in any of this they don't believe they don't really believe and you know a lot of your protestants don't really believe in any of it but when we're talking about modern evangelical christianity baptists people that are more fundamentalist or bible believing type people i would say 99 of them have been duped into believing that the rapture comes before the tribulation even though there's not one shred of scripture that says that and even though the word tribulation is used 22 times in the new testament you can look up all 22 verses and i encourage anyone to do so not one of them even comes close to saying that the rapture comes before the tribulation this is like the elephant in the room where everybody knows it's a lie if they've done any kind of reading or study but i don't know how in the world they have been able to pull this off but they have deceived 99 of christianity into just ignoring the clear scriptures that i just read to you a few minutes ago from matthew 24 and i could you know and that's why i encourage people to get the film because obviously in our limited time on this radio program we can't go through all the scriptures you know and and the film goes through way more evidence that just you know demolishes this teaching of the pre-trib rapture and i'm telling you this video is going to change a lot of people's minds sure i've got a question um does the pastor believe that there is a quote-unquote church that is separate from the physical church down the street no there's a doctrine out there there's a doctrine out there that teaches that all believers make up quote unquote the church like a universal church or an invisible church i do not believe that the word church means congregation or assembly so i believe that a church is a group of people a congregation of people an assembly of people so i have a fellowship exactly okay and then um what he says okay uh that is one thing he gave you in his life you get to make the choices during this life during that 98 of the physical church was started for control of the people as far as the catholics go so that's what another comment that was made i agree with that i believe that catholicism has been used as you know a controlling force that kept europe in darkness during the middle ages and that definitely you know did not encourage people to read and write and definitely wanted to keep people ignorant so that they could control them extort money out of them and so forth and so there's a lot of corruption in a lot of religion and a lot of churches and a lot of denominations but you know what that doesn't change the fact that the bible is the word of god so we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water i right word of god i'm not following some kind of a man-made religion or a pope or a or a an organization you know i just am a bible believing christian the bible is my final authority churches are corrupt that doesn't mean all churches are corrupt though but you know a multitude of churches are corrupt it's like everything else i said earlier the majority is always wrong so the majority of churches are wrong the majority are wrong politically that's why democracy is not a very good form of government because you're putting them in charge no you know it it the way you're saying it it's it's fascinating because you're right most people follow and so if you set the rule down or you set the note down or you put something on tv or on the news or mainstream or what have you uh it's unfortunate but the majority of the masses are easily um betrayed exactly easily sidewind it easily um conditioned easily just come over here and do what we say and and that's what you know as an activist myself pastor that's what i'm up against i can honestly say that is a very small percentage of people who get it right absolutely that's kind of creepy i never thought of it that way you know i'm not scared because you know i've read the end of the book and you know i know how it's gonna end up and i'm on the winning side but there's gonna be hard times between now and then and you know this film is going to send a huge shockwave through the Baptist and evangelical searches because this pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is based on ignorance okay well this film cuts through ignorance it shines a spotlight on on the bible scriptures to prove that this doctrine is beyond a shadow of a doubt this isn't some gray area where well you know people have different opinions i mean it's crystal clear in the bible and yet people are in total ignorance on this they've been totally brainwashed and this film is going to i guarantee you gonna change a lot of people's mind because there is no way any rational person can watch this film and walk away still believing in the pre-tribulation rapture it just it's not gonna happen unless they just want to just be willfully ignorant i mean this this documentary demolishes it and now i have a question in tempe you know you um you are you you preach at a church in tempe i'm i'm sorry you know we're cutting out we've been cutting up for a little bit and are you having a hard time hearing me too yeah it's just starting to break up just a little bit you've been breaking up for about a minute okay we're all breaking up is what the producer's saying and i don't know why that's happening um i can you hear me at all i hear you i hear you loud and clear okay great um i what i was going to ask you at the church in tempe do you preach this to to to your people there oh yeah absolutely i mean obviously i preached the whole bible so i'm not talking about this every week or anything like that but i i've definitely preached a lot of sermons on this subject you know i'm sure i preached at least 30 sermons that specifically dealt with this subject and what is your congregation's response oh well they i mean they love it i mean they they eat it up because you know they're awake and and and and the people in my church are the type of people who they don't just go to church on sunday but they're reading their bibles on monday tuesday wednesday so when they get to church and they hear this stuff preached you know they know what i'm saying because they've already done so right now you have a website um that's uh is that kivprophecy.com it's kjb i'm sorry i'm reading it wrong you're right it's kjv thank you for correcting me we'll have that also in the article and on the on the video um and and and people are to contact you through your website they can order after the tribulation there as well right exactly if they go to kjvprophecy.com and that stands for king james version that's what the kjv is so it's uh kjvprophecy.com right there on the home page they can click on the the poster for the film and they can order a copy and here here's the thing even people that are not even christians should order this film and give it to the christians that they know that are asleep because i'll bet you that you know they know christians who have bought into this pre-tribulation rapture and therefore they're shrugging everything off that it's a conspiracy theory they don't want to hear anything about this stuff and put a film in their hand to wake them up and so this film is just a great tool for uh i think it's a tool for anybody it's for anybody christian or non-christian yeah i i think that this anybody could could take a look at the film you know i i don't see why any there there shouldn't be any restrictions on it you never know and how long have you been working on the film basically we we started really work heavily working on in uh in january so basically it took a year to produce the film wow and basically we did a lot of the the shooting back in february we shot a lot and then we shot a lot in october and we've really intensely been working on it the last couple months but really we've been working on it the entire year and you know spiritually speaking i've been working on this film my whole life because i've been i've been studying this subject very heavily even since i was a teenager right well i i think it's as described on the website i think this is gonna be a very hard hit documentary smash bam boom uh for those especially those who are sort of in the know or above for those who have subscribed their entire life to the opposite and you know those who are open to like oh my god what the heck is going on here in your in your church do you do you talk about the end times do you talk about what do you what do you you know i'm just trying to get a little bit of background about what you do in tempe arizona yeah absolutely you know i i preach the bible and i i definitely tied in with current events i definitely preach about bible prophecy you know and i try to be well-rounded so i preach every aspect of the bible you know i don't just spend all my time on this subject but i definitely cover these subjects and i've definitely uh you know tied in current events with the new world order and things like that and and you know how they tie in with what the bible is saying and i'm definitely not afraid to cover these type of topics right it's in the bible you know i'm gonna preach it and i'm tied in the day we live and that's the job of a preacher is to is to uh tie these things and make them clear to people sure no doubt um and uh what is your feelings as far as a timeline goes uh and what i asked what i mean by that question is do you feel that there are some uh catastrophic times ahead of us hard times ahead of us do you feel that we have um approached if you will an error that we may um really uh start to suffer on the planet do you feel any matter is that enough is that not your concern oh that's oh absolutely you know the bible see you know we've obviously we've spent most of the program talking about you know how the rapture comes after the tribulation yeah we really wanted to talk about what the tribulation is you know matthew 24 mark 13 go into it in great detail and also the book of revelation goes into it but basically the tribulation is characterized by an extreme amount of warfare it's going to be just the world is going to be at war okay and the bible is very clear that there's going to be famine on the planet a global famine that's going to take place during the tribulation it also talks about it being a time of disease it talks about natural disasters earthquakes tidal waves these are all things that happen before the sun and moon are darkened okay now people aren't being warned about these things at all christians aren't being warned about it at all and you know we need to be prepared spiritually for the hard times that are coming not only that but the biggest thing about the tribulation for believers is that the bible is clear that christians are going to be executed during the tribulation because when the anti-christ comes as the savior that's going to unite all the religions and unite the governments and and you know solve everything basically if you don't worship him you're going to be killed and the bible tells us that believers will not be deceived by this guy and so what we have ahead of us as christians if this happens in our lifetime because theoretically this could happen 100 years from now when we're all gone but i believe when we look at all the different things technologically and and geopolitically i would find it hard to believe that this does not happen in my lifetime okay well if this happens in our lifetime then what we have ahead of us is warfare famine you know people are going to be starving to death there's going to be natural disasters there's going to be all this persecution of christians and christians are not being warned about this at all they're totally asleep they're totally in the dark it's going to catch them completely unawares you know the average person has seven to ten days of food in their house and you know when famine comes they're not even going to know what's happening they're not even going to realize that the bible predicted this you know it's it's going to be a shock to a lot of people when these things start happening sure now do you have any insight to who this anti-christ is well i don't know who he is personally but i believe that he will be basically the the the messianic figure of every major religion or he will claim to be for example because if you look at the jews for example you know judaism does not believe that jesus was the messiah they believe is still coming okay well they're gonna they're going to embrace this guy as their messiah the anti-christ they will accept him as their messiah and then the muslims they believe in a succession of prophets abraham moses jesus muhammad and they believe that after muhammad another prophet will come that will be greater than muhammad that will bring an all-inclusive religion okay well when the anti-christ comes they will accept him as the imam madhi or their messianic figure if you look at the buddhists and those that you know those that are in tibet that follow the dali lama they believe that the dali lama keeps being reincarnated i believe that this guy will be claiming to be the next you know reincarnation of the dali lama he'll be the fifth buddha he'll be the the messianic the messiah of the jews the imam madhi of islam and to apostate christianity they will say this guy is the second coming of jesus this is jesus christ this is the second coming of christ and so all these religions are waiting for this messiah this anti-christ will bring them all together and be their messiah only one catch get on board or be killed that's the only catch receive this mark in your right hand or in your forehead or be killed you know he's doing a lot of great things he's bringing a lot of people together but you better get on board or you're gonna die and you know this is what we see coming in the tribulation that nobody's being warned about christians have no idea that the bible teaches this so in the awareness of this for one to be aware of this what would be the next step now that you're awake now that you know now that you see what's the next step well the the basically the benefit of knowing is that you know when something's bad when something bad is going to happen if you know about it it's a lot easier to cope with it spiritually and psychologically just when you're when you're prepared for it so i would say the next step is to warn everybody else about it you know and to try to get other christians awake on this subject first of all if somebody is is not saved the you know the first step is to believe on jesus christ and i you know i hope that i hope that some non-christians will watch this film because at the end of the film you know we cover the plan of salvation we cover the gospel of jesus christ and how people can be saved so the first step is getting saved well if you're saved and you know about this subject the second step would be to warn other people about it and then as far as being prepared you know i think it's great to have food in stock i think it's great to have you know supplies and and a basic level of preparedness i think that that's obviously not going to hurt you you know when you're going into something like this but at the end of the day you know we're also going to have to rely on god to protect us and god to take care of us because you know there might come a point where we might have all the food stored up but you know we might have to flee or escape from this uh police state or prison planet or whatever you want to call it that is encroaching on us and if they're you know if they've got a warrant out for my arrest because i'm preaching against the anti-christ and i'm preaching the gospel well then you know i might have to head for the hills so i think just first of all it's most important to be prepared spiritually that's why i'm memorizing the bible that's why i'm just trying to you know stay close to god secondly it's smart to have some food and and some supplies it's also smart to just be in good shape physically and just ready for whatever happens but at the end of the day i'm i'm ultimately relying on god to protect me because i may i may just have the shirt on my back someday and i'm going to be trusting the lord to protect me and my family so i guess i'll put it this way i'm prepared by making him pleased with me you know i want god to be pleased with me and i want god to be uh to look down and and and see that i'm doing the right things so that he'll bless me and protect me and help me get through the difficult times ahead so i'm not going to go out and live a heated lifestyle because you know i believe that no matter what i do i'm still going to heaven because i'm a believer i'm saved all my sins are forgiven but you know what i want to be i want to be careful to live a godly life just so that god will bless me on this earth and protect me well and it sounds like what you're doing is is you know a lot of people are whether they're christians or not uh i know a lot of people who try to live a life of service and a life of love and a life of care and um not necessarily you know uh christians as well but listen we're at the end of the show the break just came right in on us and i just want to thank you so much pastor it's been a very interesting talk and we'll have you back again the film is after the tribulation it's at after the tribulation.com pastor thank you so much for being here you have a good evening you too thanks for having me on absolutely we're sorry your call cannot be completed as dialed please check the number and dial again so so so so so so