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here we are back live 1340 a.m. with Lucas Zahn and Mike Heywood this is love guns and freedom just to let you know guys you can listen to any of our shows on the internet in the archives go to their website lovegunsfreedom.com we have a special guest I mean this guy really it's a guy that inspired me a few years ago when I saw YouTube of him there are a lot of things is a pastor by the way I don't want to call it this guy is a pastor is a church and we will tell you right now more about himself and we bring to the shows to the show here people that we agree people we don't agree sometimes I agree off sometimes I don't agree but there are a lot of things I agree with Pastor Anderson I think he has a great spirit the spirit of freedom a spirit of Bill of Rights there are some other items that I may disagree or say I disagree but that's gonna be part of interesting interchange we have here so I really like mr. Anderson pastor and just let me put them live pastor Anderson how you there yeah I'm here thanks for having me on hey thank you by the way I really appreciate you know you have no idea when I watch your video a few years ago of the electrifying moment I called it with you know with the border patrollers Homeland Security was exactly the gentleman give you that yeah the guy who tasered me was with the Arizona DPS wow even worse than we know even federally our own state scumbags there so please let's before we introduce you as from a spiritual point of view let me introduce you as a point of the American that who understand these rights who wanted to stand stand for your rights and you stood for your rights so much that you got beaten up face and also charge and you still fought till the end you were found not guilty let's give a little bit of a refresher to the listeners exactly what happened and when happened the situation absolutely yeah I was just driving down the road coming home from work like I always do between Southern California and Arizona and I was coming down the interstate 8 and it was you know about 1030 at night and I got stopped at one of these Border Patrol checkpoints but they're not on the border they're like 75 miles from the border and I was traveling from west to east I had not even crossed the border and they stopped me at this thing and they wanted to search my trunk because they said that the dog had alerted to them that there were either drugs or bodies in my truck well turned out later in the trial it came out that the dog had never alerted but that was their story you know they basically lied to me and said that the dog had alerted I never saw the dog alert so I asked them to bring the dog back out and show me and they they took the dog away and never brought it back so we had a standoff for about an hour and 15 minutes where I was just refusing to let them enter my vehicle without a warrant so after an hour 15 minutes the Arizona DPS Highway Patrol shows up and they said you're under arrest and I said what am I under arrest for they said for failure to obey me right now Wow so that's what you see on that short video the two-minute video he says you know failure to obey me right now and they basically told me if I don't come out of that car they're gonna bust into my car and I told him I said fine if you're gonna violate my rights and break into my car then go ahead and break in my car but I'm not letting you do it I'm not letting you into my car so they acted like they were gonna bust out my passenger window so I was just thinking okay fine break my window whatever but what they actually did they had another guy hiding at the back of my car ready to break out my driver's side window right by my head so they told me to cover my eyes so that I wouldn't get broken glass in my eyes really it was because they didn't want me to see the guy coming at me from the left yeah so they shattered both of my windows at the same time shot me with a taser which I also did not see that coming they shot me with the taser and I was electrified for 22 seconds straight which is a pretty long time you know if you count it off one one thousand two one thousand yeah 22 seconds straight after I've been electrified for a few moments one of the Border Patrol thugs grabbed my head and slammed it into the little broken glass mountain range that was left over from where they had busted out my window and he just sort of ground my face into the broken glass just ground it into that jagged edge and there's pictures of it online where you can see the jagged glass just covered in my blood in the shape of my head so he just basically just shoved my face in that broken glass I could just feel that glass just cutting into my brow while I'm being electrified 50,000 volts then they swung open the door rolled me onto the ground stepped on my head electricity was still flowing and finally after 22 seconds they shut off the taser and I hear them all yelling to me get up get up get up so then I you know stagger up to my feet and they put handcuffs on me took me back to the Border Patrol trailer and then when they put me in the trailer they started mocking me and laughing to me saying oh you thought you were gonna win well we won this time and they're like you thought you were gonna put this on YouTube but you're not gonna put this on YouTube because we beat you this time and the reason they say this time is because I travel through these checkpoints hundreds of times going to and from work on a weekly basis and when I did so you know I would always just when they would ask me questions I would just not answer them because I was just exercising my Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights but every other time they just let me go this is the first time that they just would not let it go yes by the way how can let a slave rice your head and then you know you start to spread this sort of freedom that we supposed to have and other people may take the example from you and that's very bad president that's why I think they wanted to set an example with you because that cannot happen anymore in the new America you know Fourth Amendment it's gone in their books that's why I say you know I have a lot of respect for you because as a human being as an American there you knew exactly you were outnumbered alone and you stood by the principle that for me you have right only if you're ready to stand for your rights not because somebody writes somewhere that you have rights you have rights only if you are not afraid to stand up and that was a perfect example of course you had some sort of a very hard times because you had to go to the hospital and more important you were charged with a crime right exactly yeah I went to the emergency room and they stitched up my head and then I was charged with failure to obey an officer it's a felony and I was also charged with obstructing the highway which is stupid because they're the ones who stopped me and told me I can't leave yeah question did you go I would ended up this criminal charges I mean you went to I know I ended up but let's remind to the listener you had to fight all the way you didn't plead guilty you fought all the way right yeah and here's what's funny if I would have pled guilty I would have been like a $400 fine yeah but instead I spent like 10 grand on a lawyer to beat the thing yes so bait but basically in the end we actually got a jury trial which was kind of an act of God because they don't even give you a jury trial anymore unless it's like a felony yes and and you know what that's all that's wrong because in the Bill of Rights it says in the Sixth Amendment that all criminal charges did get a jury trial over six amendment over $20 correct right yeah well that's the Seventh Amendment Senate amendment said over $20 for civil disagreement yes and then the Sixth Amendment says for all criminal trials jury trial now a lot of people will say this well you can't just have a jury travel trial for every little thing but here's what I say to that Luca it's such a little thing why are you even arrested me for exactly exactly you're right you know by the way I would like to put I mean oh this video already probably millions of people watch it but for the new listeners or for people that maybe had the first time heard about you you gotta watch this because this video looks like for me something I may have shot if I was going to be to China in or North Korea or maybe I don't know Russia not anymore I guess they're pretty much better off than us right now anyway so you gotta watch this I will upload this video exactly on love guns freedom calm in this today shows where there is also the photo of a pastor Anderson so people need to understand what takes today to exercise your rights takes a lot of faith I believe that and also a lot of courage because we are in this dimension and we are still made of flesh and bones and hurts to be taste 24 seconds or so that's an experience that many people may have be dead I mean if you have a weak heart you may kill you and and then of course taking the courage to defend yourself in front of a jury with judges and lawyers and a money that you had to pay me not everybody can do that that's why I say I give a lot of respect to pastor Anderson first of all as an American to stand for the bill of rights and is exactly what we need to do more of us Mike has a question Michael go ahead did you say this was right on the border was this a few miles in inside the border this was actually 75 miles from the board so it was not it was not at the border at all 75 miles away where does the border patrols are they allowed to do that that far in or is that in there well they they are actually allowed to patrol anywhere in the United States I used to live in Sacramento California and the Border Patrol would drive around in Sacramento California but which is nowhere near the border but as far as setting up a checkpoint like this they can do it anywhere within 100 miles of the border so because they were 75 miles you know they're within that hundred right and they're called constitutional free zone and been sarcastic here they created sort a hundred miles from the borders you are pretty much in nobody's land this is not America anymore you are in this sort of a new constitutional free zone that they can pretty much avoid every type of bill of rights I mean they can say get up on your car and we have an excuse a problem they have their own reason now you must comply otherwise you're gonna be taste and you know that people might not know this but majority of Americans live within that constitution free zone yes you're right yeah that's exactly right because it includes along the oceans as well yeah exactly pretty much the most of our population lived you know on the East Coast in that zone or west on the southern border California yeah you're right so that's my point guys you know this is another proof that the land of the free Omo the brave unfortunately is way gone unless we take it back and we becoming pretty much the land of the field on the slaves I'm telling you because everything it's a fee everything is pretty much is under color of law in my opinion now let's talk about you as a pastor this is a the first time I found about you wasn't about you as the American standing for your rights now let's talk about you as a person that the spiritual person that also your job your mission in this life is to spread the word of the Lord tell me exactly how you started your your your mission in being a pastor when when did you start to do this well I started pastoring eight and a half years ago but I've actually been a Christian you know since I was six years old and I grew up reading the Bible serving the Lord and I just I've been pastoring now for eight and a half years and you know my main mission about that is you know preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ which is that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins he was buried he rose again and the Bible asked the question this is another this actually is another viral border patrol video I have is the one where I try to give the gospel unto the border guard he basically he just wants me out of there somebody somebody upload a video to YouTube called the fastest way to get through a checkpoint uh-huh and it shows me Paul my Bible and try to give him the gospel and he's just like I feel but I asked him the question you know that the question that's asked in the Bible what must I do to be saved and they said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved so according to the Bible to be saved we have to believe on Jesus Christ it's not based on how good we are because we're all sinners you know the Bible says as it is written there's none righteous no not one so none of us is good enough to go to heaven it's just it's through grace you know that Jesus Christ has died for us if we believe on him we'll be saved okay but other than that you know I've been that's that's the main message of the Word of God and the Bible but here's the thing the Bible also talks a lot about issues of freedom and issues of government and unfortunately most Christians today ignore the Bible's teachings on government and on freedom and instead they just kind of go with like a Republican Party type of a teaching on government okay whereas I believe that the Bible you know has everything that we need about all subjects including you know government freedom political issues as well okay so I preach on these type of things as well and one of the first things I like to point to is that in Ephesians chapter 6 it says for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities against powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world against spiritual wickedness in high places yes so right right there the New Testament tells us that we are in a spiritual battle against the rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high place and when you look at the people that are running the US government today I believe that that verse applies to them I completely believe that because at the end of the day you know even though we're in this physical dimension you know we have made of flesh and bones I this is something happens to me the last few years before I was just looking at the material things you know okay this is good there is evil there is that laws that is my freedom there is my rights now this is about the final goal is to pretty much conquer your soul I believe that now even just because we are in this physical dimension we are fighting also more important a spiritual battles this is my personal interpretation sometimes in life we've been given the chance to say or do something regardless the odds of winning that battle or that situation but we have to side we need to decide that you're going to be with a good or siding with the evil we have that choice and sometimes even just being silent happens that you say okay I'm just saying Monday my business if you're silent me you consents and for example sometimes you know there is a things that happen in this world and they think they may be bigger than us for example okay there is a these illegal wars that they are not even worse they are United Nation international police force like the Iraq conflict that millions of innocent kids people don't want to talk about it but it being killed I mean if civilians okay I wanted I need to speak up about it because the moment that I've been silent in that room when everybody is pretty much cheering him up and if I don't say something I believe that I've been guilty too and that's with many other things if I talk about for example 50 millions of unborn children they were killed without even having the chance to defend themselves in the wombs of their mothers the last 50 years or so and if I don't speak up against that I feel that somehow I am giving my soul a way to be complacent to that type of for me sin that's the way I look at that what do you think about this yeah I agree with you a hundred percent you know when I was growing up my mom always taught me silence is agreement you know when somebody said something and you're silent you're agreeing with what they're saying exactly and if if we look at the Bible there are rulers of the darkness of this world yet many Christians will call you a conspiracy theorist if you point that out yes yet in scripture we see that in the book of Daniel it talks about you know demonic forces running the the country of Persia and it talks about an Isaiah chapter 14 that Satan was was running the kingdom of Tyre and Zidane in the Old Testament and so I believe that the men that are put in power today over a lot of our governments are actually under control of the devil and they are bringing about his plan for a new world order which has been prophesied in the Bible when the Bible clearly says in Revelation that someday there will be a one world government and that there will be a one world religion and that there will be a cashless society where people instead of paying with cash they will have to have the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell and it's going to be in their right hand or in their forehead and the Bible says no man will be able to buy or sell without this mark now you know thousands of years ago when the Bible was first penned down people were probably wondering how that could even be implemented because people could always just use coins or cash but what it is is that they're getting rid of the coin they're getting rid of the cash and it's going to be a thing where you have to use some kind of an electronic option to pay using your right hand or your forehead and the Bible predicted this thousands of years ago exactly we are living exactly in the in the very interesting spiritual times that I believe really that even if somebody is not religious does not believe not even religious they're not a faith because I don't think even religious there I think you must faith is different from religion from my point of view the point is evidence if you read this book called the Old Testament and New Testament Bible regardless your religious belief you will see there are a lot of things that scientifically is proven that they're happening and at that point you know I'm not here to preach but all I can say is this it's all is not just another bad man or powerful people that wants to take your money or want to take your Liberty I believe this is the end of the day they want to take your soul but my point is another one now let's look a little bit about first of all our government is being used in churches for controlling us not just today this is pretty much happened since ever this is coming from a former I'm a reformer Catholic you know you I used to be when I was born in Rome you become automatically Catholic and when I grew up I was even 10 or 11 I never liked the idea to bow down in front of any man call me crazy but I don't believe in theocracy I do not believe that another man is as the power that I supposed to submit and kiss his ring it's wrong in my opinion and top man's they are not God okay they're just human beings so I refuse to be a Catholic I came to America and I started to find my own new spirituality in Jesus Christ without middlemen that's the way I look at this but I realize that there are many churches especially lately in America they're pretty much 501 C correct me if I'm wrong and pretty much they are under the control also Homeland Security what is that duck where are you pastor Anderson where I know what that was that was weird they would never heard that noise before anyway so tell me a little bit what do you know about this government plan from Homeland Security they were later sent to all the different pastors they pretty much work with the government try to apply Romans 13 to control the the flock okay in case of an emergency did you ever heard anything about it absolutely have I heard about it and not only that but I can verify that it's true because I actually when that first started happening I was going to a Baptist Church at the time that was a big Baptist Church okay it had thousands of people in it and at that time our pastor was called to go to Washington DC and he was all excited he's gonna go meet the president and he went there with a whole bunch of other Christian pastors from all over America and mainly the ones from the biggest churches you know because they want to influence the most people and they were called into a meeting with George W Bush himself Wow and and they were told what they needed to preach and and how they needed to go easier on homosexuals and how they need to they need to back up you know what George Bush is trying to do in his administration and he told them I'm a born-again Christian I believe in Jesus Christ you know but I gotta play politics you guys gotta support me you guys gotta help me out with it and these guys were so star-struck that who they get to go get the president that our pastor came back from that meeting and was praising Bush and saying oh I looked into my his eyes and he's a Christian he's a godly man and you know what Bush was just as evil and satanic as Obama yes but these pastors were deceived by Bush into thinking that he's Christian when he's not Christian whatsoever and the funny thing is that you know Obama getting elected was almost one of the best things to ever happen to America because at least people are waking up because you know when British was in office he did all the same thing as Obama and the Christians were just asleep at the wheel I agree at least now that Obama's in office at least people are waking up yes I agree I remind all the fellow Republicans that they are freaking out about the National Defense Authorization Act or some other executive then you know tyrannical powers that this president is doing let's not forget about the Patriot Act let's not forget about other bills that the Bush passed and or just executive order this is just a continuation of the same plan and yeah I would like to say you know mr. reborn Christian I would like to ask to mr. Bush president Bush how can a Christian go to the Bohemian Grove and bow down in front of I don't know many 50 feet owl mr. mole I mean God Moloch and worship this freaking idol how can a Christian can do that and when only the other Christian would see that this is not a conspiracy there are videos out there few but there are evidence and proven the last 50 years presidents they've been going there most of them and worshipping this a human sacrifice the mock of a human sacrifice I wouldn't give even the key of my used car to drive around the block to a man like that that the warships these are these idols called Moloch that by the way it's it's an entity it's a devil it's it's it's a demonic entity so now we have a serious problem people needs to wake up they need to stop thinking about between phony left phony right Republicans or Democrats unfortunately the top level it's all control the last thing we have in my opinion is each other and God if you believe in God and talking about God let's talk a little bit about first of all your church you have is faithful word Baptist Church that's the name of your church exactly yeah church is faithful word Baptist Church I started it from scratch in my living room I was sent out by an independent Baptist Church to start a church in Phoenix okay I started in my living room eight and a half years ago now now we have about 125 people come on Sunday mornings okay and we have about you know 70 80 90 people on the Sunday night and Wednesday night services and you know I preach the whole Bible I don't just preach a political message that's a very small part of my message because I'm reached the entire Bible yes but I never shy away from political subjects because they are covered in the Bible so it's definitely you know I'm not one of those pastors where all I talk about is politics and freedom and liberty but I talk about it as much as the Bible talks about it and I'm not afraid to talk about it and I preach sermons directly calling out Bush directly calling out Obama and preaching what the Bible says our government should be like okay perfect I like to go into some details because I like very much I know things that first of all you can help us out to understand from your point of view for example Romans 13 we know that was one of the best part of the Bible the New Testament used by people like Adolf Hitler or at least tyrant that they would like to use religion to control the people there's been different books written about Romans 13 the interpretation can you please tell your version of what is your interpretation of Romans 13 that in your opinion this is not something supposed to be used by government because if anybody says okay we must follow our government because Romans 13 says so you should follow also Hitler you should have also Mao Zedong or every other tyrant out there what is your interpretation of Romans 13 for the fellow here's the thing about Romans 13 they're missing the whole point of Romans 13 because in Romans 13 the Bible actually gives us a very clear definition of the purpose of government and why God has even ordained human government and it says that government is for the punishment of evildoers okay now an evildoer the word evil in the Bible we think evil does mean bad but evil actually means to harm another person in the Bible that's what evil means so basically when God said in Romans 13 that he set up government for the punishment of evildoers he's saying he's punishing those that harm other people and and that would be things like you know theft murder adultery just basically things where you're you're violating somebody else's person or property you know you're assaulting somebody you're stealing from them or whatever okay that's the purpose of human government God did not set up human government to rule over every area of our lives God did not set up human government in order to rule over the church he did not set it up to rule over what goes on in my home he set it up basically to punish criminals that would hurt other people and harm other people but now we have all these crimes that are victimless crimes you know it has nothing to do with punishing evildoers it's just they're just telling us what to do putting us in prison because we did not you know pay taxes or we did not you know or somebody smoked pot or whatever and now I'm against smoking pot I believe it is a sin to smoke pot you know the Bible does command us to be sober the Bible talks about drunkenness and I you know I feel that drugs are a similar thing that God will want to stay away from but here's the thing I believe that all drugs should be legal because that's not the purpose of government you know government has a specific purpose ordained by God in Romans 13 and it does not include you know regulating plants it just doesn't make any sense no understand but when it comes to how they twist it mm-hmm the Bible is telling us that we need to respect the powers that be we need to respect the higher powers and you know children are supposed to respect their parents and obey them we're supposed to respect human government that punishes evildoers and so forth but it's not saying obey everything the government tells you to do no matter what exactly and then I was you know I'm not a scholar like you I'm just trying to learn and I tried to almost you know study from scratch because whenever I was born in Italy I grew up in Italy are you in a chicken coop I like the sound effects great well I for example I remember you know Paul at the end of the day he was beaten he was put in prison he was of course again his head was chopped if it was so much of a government kiss but okay I mean if it was such a compliance to complete government it would have happened that to him the guy who was completed the opposite of what they're trying to make a look the guy who was denouncing oppressive government I mean he was there he put his line his body on the line he was beaten imprisoned if it was such a government complete serve like they trying to make a look like Romans 30 you must obey the government to the government me that wasn't Paul correct me if I'm wrong you're right in fact all of the apostles were always getting beaten and thrown in jail by by government officials all throughout the book of Acts exactly you know and the whole story of acts is one prison story after another of people getting arrested and beaten but you don't see pastors today getting arrested beside you yeah but I'm saying you know they don't get persecuted because they want to go with the flow they don't want to speak out exactly the Bible people spoke out and they did get arrested and so forth but man I just wish the people would read the Bible because it gives a layout of a very limited government okay and if you think about it the Bible is not really that big of a book I mean you can hold it in your hand right yes but the law books of the United States of America would fill an entire library yes even just one law Obamacare itself is longer than the Bible yes just Obamacare is more pages than my Bible has paid for you know that's one law and they have millions of laws you know the state laws the local laws the city laws the you know now the global laws but you got the national laws and people think that God has too many rules but yet God has a lot less rules than our government yes Michael want to say something go ahead yeah pastor have you heard of FEMA recruiting pastors to prepare their flocks for martial law oh yeah definitely and and don't tell me it's a conspiracy theory because like I said my pastor ten years ago was called in to me with Bush letters have gone out I've seen the letters that went out for the clergy response teams for FEMA it's real yes it is real and people all you have to do listeners Lisa this is all factual things go online you can google it you can find by the way mainstream network news talking about it you can see the hard copy letters out there this is on the open right now you know this is not anymore the time that people want to make fun about conspiracy unfortunately are very close to very interesting times pastor pastor Anderson we are here live with him on 1340 a.m. on the love love guns and freedom people say well you know this is love and guns and freedom what it really has to do with religion first of all we're not just talking about religion I believe that by the way that part of freedom is to be able to express our own First Amendment and amongst that also religion so that's the point you know because I have a lot of Lisa that they are agnostic or they don't believe and that's their choice I'm not here to preach you but tell you something that's part of freedom to be able to express ourself now the sound effects here what's going on in the back yeah you're chopping wood so that's okay but that's my point is interesting background past I would like to ask you about one thing now first of all the New World Order the global government what do you think the role of the Pope especially the latest Pope you know that we have here I mean they have there in Rome that in my opinion is more than what is supposed to do is a trespassing the physical and economic point that is supposed to just take care about the soul and instead is coming to economics is coming down to redistribution of wealth and it's coming down to this my opinion of almost the global a religion what is your opinion about this new Pope that it's out there yeah you're absolutely right but see the Catholic Church historically has always been about political power because if you look through the Dark Ages they were ruling over the kings of the European countries and they were exercising a lot of political power instead of doing what they should do is a deal with religion they were actually more in it for the money and the power and they still have a lot of money in power and you you you nailed it earlier when you talked about not bowing down to a man the Bible commands is not about ever worship any man and any time in the Bible somebody bowed down to Jesus's disciples they always picked him up off the ground and said do not worship us exactly so yet the Pope allows people to bow down to him and the role that the Catholic Church and the Pope is going to play is that is that basically he has a billion followers and when the Antichrist comes as the Bible says he will point his followers to the Antichrist even the word Catholic means universal and so this universal one-world religion that's coming this one world church you know Catholicism is gonna be a big part of that and it used to be that Catholics were not considered Christians by most Protestants or Baptists or evangelicals but now if you go to an evangelical Christian bookstore they sell Catholic paraphernalia they sell pictures of the Pope so we're starting to see a uniting of all religions in preparation for this one world religion that's coming so that's another prophecy yes you know they're gonna be wrong you know I respect everybody till they don't infringe on my rights you know honestly I'm not here to tell people what to do what to say what to believe the only thing I always say whatever you believe I am okay until you don't have your belief something that is going to infringe in my rights because for example if I want to go specific okay when the people call the religion of peace okay they're talking about the mr. Bush used to call the religion of peace and that if you read the book of the religion of peace they if you don't agree with them they chop your head as simple as that or you have to pay a DMA tax I have a problem with that because there is a conflict with our Constitution Bill of Rights with some sort of religious if anybody else wants to do whatever they want to do is fine all I care that they respect other people rights that's for me the generic law from a point of no even a religious point just from a point of American person that I want to live in peace risk with a respect for myself and other people rights now talking about a little bit of I have some interesting topic that I think people may love to hear more it's about this documentary that I watched and I was so pleased to found about that it was about a pretty pretrib myth or this sort of a different you know churches they believe in the pre-tribulation after tribulation whatever and I see there is a documentary that I was able to watch I really enjoyed I support all to this type of information because I think it's so important it's called after the tribulation directed by my friend Paul Widenberger and you are pretty much the main one of the main voices there can we please briefly giving a little bit of an understanding to the listeners what's going on with this pretrib movement and why you think your opinion this is a fraud absolutely historically Christians have always believed that in the end times there's going to be a period called the tribulation where Christians are going to be persecuted the Antichrist is going to rule over a one-world government and there's going to be the mark of the beast but in the 1800s this fraud was developed called the pre tribulation rapture that basically teaches that we are going to be taken out of this world through the rapture before you know any of the bad stuff really happens so we're going to be just going along our peaceful happy life and then boom we're taken out of here before all hell breaks loose and this pre tribulation rapture is believed by probably 90 some percent of evangelical Christians and what it does is it teaches them hey don't worry about these geopolitical events don't worry about the fact that we're losing our freedoms don't worry about the fact that Satan has taken over our government hey before the persecution comes we're going to be gone anyway we're going up in the rapture now let me say this the rapture is a biblical teaching found in 1st Thessalonians 4 but the Bible is crystal clear that the rapture takes place after the tribulation after the Antichrist has issued the mark of the beast and all that the Christians are not prepared for what's coming the documentary after the tribulation just destroys the preacher rapture it's filled with Bible verses it's filled with information and and I can't see how anybody could watch it and still believe in the preacher rapture in fact there's a movie that really promotes the preacher of rapture preacher pleasure after it's called left behind yeah and it was like a B movie that was put out in the Christian community but now they're making a Hollywood version that comes out this October with Nicolas Cage is starring in this new left-behind movie and this movie will indoctrinate the masses with the pre-tribulation rapture mmm okay that hey Christian don't worry about we're all going to be gone don't worry you know don't worry about what we're government God get things out of here before that it's a lie and base and ninety-some percent of Christians believe in this stuff of evangelicals and Baptists and and so forth so basically our movie after the tribulation is more important than ever with this new Nicolas Cage film coming out yes and out this week we were in Los Angeles with Paul Wittenberger and we actually recorded a Spanish version of after the tribulation that's going to come out in a couple months excellent gets to get this out into the Spanish-speaking world three hundred and three hundred thirty million native Spanish speakers to warn them about the new world order and that's going to come out a couple months perfect by the way I would like to remind everybody this video is so important regardless that if you are Christian or not because the bottom line they're trying to use religions and organized religion to dominate us and to try to keep us some sort of a passive okay so if you have a chance go to a frame in the world dot com and you can see the the video it's after the tribulation and there is also other interesting video like a little mentor is like a new world order Bible versions the book of Revelation pastor Anderson is in them and also it's a great job of information you can of course verify you may agree or not that's not the point but I think there's a lot of truth and we must do our own research because this is so important it's not just about your type of domination on this planet they want to pretty much take your soul I believe that regardless which religion you're in okay so go please to framing the world calm I also will put the link and try to look at also YouTube you can find on YouTube after the tribulation please check it out now let's talk about things that you know as I said we don't need to agree on everything and I like you as a human being I think you got courage and I like also your interpretation of many parts of the Bible and call me maybe I may not be a perfect Christian but I a couple things that I may not agree with you let me tell you where I am here right now first of all is it something nice interesting little juicy controversial I'm reading this news from the Christian post controversial Arizona pastors sparks anger by saying saying guys should be executed is that true pastor and as you think the gay should be executed in your opinion absolutely but that's simply what the Bible says okay some people basically say that they're a Christian but they don't necessarily believe that the Bible is the Word of God okay there are certain parts of the Bible that they're not gonna agree with but I agree with the whole Bible cover to cover and that's what the Bible says okay so let's say that first of all I will have you know thankfully and my opinion is of course you know we have a religion one side and we are not like a theocracy so we still have a different type of standard and maybe this is my opinion may be different from yours is my opinion I believe you know if the gay let's say is doing something moral against the Lord it's not my job as a human being okay to judge I left this to judge to God because the point is when there are two people adults okay over 18 consensient there is no violence there is no coercion I don't want to let's say legislative morality okay this is something that if there was of course let's say a violation of somebody else rights like a minor a kid or somebody that was not able to understand and a force was used that's different but two people they're already team and there is no violence no coercion I let that at that point their morality judges by God humans should be out to respect each other rights that's the way I look at this and I'm glad grateful that that's where the society will live right now and I'm not saying that we are not going through a moment of morality that is pretty much destroying the fiber of this country that's another problem but I think you know that's your interpretation I'm glad you're here and I like to be upfront with everybody you know I don't agree on this one but that's good that's your opinion and that's why I like a talks because you know we have pretty much the opportunity to have everybody's opinion here that's the point so let's talk about something else I enjoy another part really that is it alright if I just explain the rationale of why the Bible says that and why I agree with that go ahead please I love that because the way that you just explained it right now I totally see where you're coming from because like I even mentioned earlier hey you know I think drugs are sin but I don't think the drug should be illegal or you know if all sins were illegal we'd all go to jail every day because we're all sinners right you know yes so I do agree that there should be a difference between you know morality religion and and political government but the reason why this law is in the Bible about homosexuals is because what you said about two consenting adults who just love each other yes homosexual that doesn't exist that is a myth of Hollywood and a myth of the television because if you even just go to the Center for Disease Control website and if you even just look at just scientific studies that have been done of the homosexual lifestyle yes they will tell you that monogamy does not exist amongst homosexuals and that the average homosexual has had sex with over 500 partners okay so TV will show you hey this is just two men who love each other this is just two women who love each other when in reality according to the the fact the science they're having over 500 partners okay each understand not only that but every single time the Bible talks about homosexuals they're always raping someone or molesting someone and here's the thing every homosexual I've ever known was a rapist and a pedophile okay that's an end that is what is covered up by the media is that part of the homosexual lifestyle mm-hmm is molesting children and gays more than anything they want to have sex with children and so that's why God said to execute these people because these they are violence people and Romans 1 clearly teaches that homosexuals are violent people who will molest others and rape others okay at least I don't want to speak for others because I wish I if I was a gay I would say probably my opinion but I don't have that type of background so I cannot speak for us I would love maybe somebody's a gay can call in and give their own experience as a person that they don't have time I wish we would need more time here for this topic but I say something I don't want to generalize on everybody because maybe it's true that their statistics may be what you say but I also want to write that first of all forget about love as a physical act of a physical sexual activity that understand may be against the principle Christianity but still as a point if there is no violence there is no coercion that's supposed to be no a crime for me maybe in the front of the Lord could be something moral but in front of our laws we should not be we're not under the Taliban that we should be stoned just because somebody wants to have a sexual relationship with a man or a woman that's my opinion and I wish of course that maybe some gay friends that would listen and I would call in with respect we can have an exchange of ideas here that's what we're trying to do but my point you know I'm glad that you explain your point of view I as I said you know I'm all you think I say for me if somebody's over 18 and you are in your own place you know I don't want to I don't care if you're man and woman if you do in front of my face I think would be wrong if you know your privacy in the way that you nobody get offended nobody gets infringed on other people rights they should be able to do pretty much whatever you want and the Lord is gonna be the final judge that's my opinion well that's true because here's the thing if if they were doing it behind closed doors and nobody thought or knew about it then this wouldn't even be an issue but the where it becomes an issue is that they are cramming it down our throat they are doing it publicly and look if I believed like you that there were homosexuals out there that are just two people that love each other and blah blah blah then you know what I could totally see where you're coming from but I just encourage the listeners to do their own research on the statistics look at the science look at the statistics and then look at the Word of God and you know I believe that these people are you know demented violent sick perverts and that's why God said that they should be executed not because he's trying to legislate morality but because he's trying to protect us okay it's frankly normal people are just attracted to women all right normal men are attracted to women any guy who's laughing after another man is a is a is a sick pervert I just encourage people to read the scripture for yourself and research it's okay if people don't agree with me but you know what the facts are facts you know look at yourself next show we gotta do a show all about gay or more sex again listeners can call in and they're too busy having sex with 500 people yeah exactly I mean they're not gonna find time for so I can do was the pastor Anderson we are live here on 1340 a.m. and as you can see we have a still a little bit of freedom of speech in this country I'm pretty pleased about it I want to thank the radio for this and now let's talk we almost ready to wrap up here you know past I want to give you the chance to pretty much say a message short message before we close yeah you know my message is this I believe in freedom of religion if people want to be an atheist be an atheist if you want to be Muslim be Muslim but let me say this though the Bible does teach neither their salvation and any other for there is none other name given among under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved and so the Bible does say that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life so our salvation is based off whether we believe on Jesus Christ or not that's all it's based on okay if people want to reach you do you have a website or an email they can maybe ask you questions so you can help them out with them yes absolutely the website is faithful word Baptist org you know they could just Google faithful word Baptist Church faithful word Baptist org that's probably the best place okay perfect Mike any other question before we let them go just are you still being harassed by the Homeland Security in any way not anymore the IRS like kept on auditing me over and over again they're auditing me for the exact year that I that I stood up against the Border Patrol they audit my business they pretty much put me out of business and you know they've harassed me every way possible but actually it's been pretty quiet here for a while so let's praise stay quiet mr. pastor thank you very much and I would like to have you again maybe next time would be nice you know maybe I can find a couple of gay listeners maybe we can exchange some ideas so would you like that what do you think I'm here I'm just trying to bring different voices and I think we are still a civil society and we have a First Amendment and I think in a civil way in without you know be violence we can express our opinion and I love to do it on the air so everybody can make up their minds yeah right thank you very much pastor please don't forget to go to watch the documentary that we were talking about and say again the name of the document you did several documentaries yeah after after the tribulation is the one about the rapture and then New World Order Bible versions talked about where they're changing the Bible to promote the New World Order that's another good one thank you pastor talk to you later okay Mike that was interesting that was a good interview a good interview come on let's go with a sponsor before we close okay Colorado River vapor you hear it every week here in Fort Mojave 4400 highway 95 and 1931 highway 95 in Bullhead City they have hundreds of flavors of juices if you want to kick the habit of smoke trash to ash go see Tom or Karen at one of their locations perfect so listen guys I really appreciate you listening and more appreciate the sponsor but this is important we still have freedom of speech and we need to use it okay sometimes we don't agree on everything but that's the beautiful part you know we can bring our ideas and try to unite as a human beings as an Americans because regardless different minor differences we are all in dangers to become slaves we already pretty much there so I say please let's be nice to each other let's try to help each other and even our difference of opinion we please stick together as the free humanity against the New World Order see you later next Sunday you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you