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to be here tonight thanks everybody for coming first timothy chapter two starting verse number three for this is good and acceptable in the sight of god our savior who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth for there's one god and one mediator between god and men the man christ jesus who gave himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time the title of my sermon tonight is what i hate about calvinism what i hate about calvinism now this is something that's always been a big subject for me i remember i met a girl in my 20s that i had gone to school with back in the fourth grade and she literally said to me i just remember you arguing about calvinism on the playground even when you were nine years old in the fourth grade so i don't like calvinism one of the things that i've been known for is my vitriol and hard preaching on the subject of calvinism and so i want to explain tonight what it is that i hate about calvinism what it is that bothers me about calvinism i'm not here tonight to disprove calvinism because i know the vast majority of people here they already know that calvinism is wrong they don't believe in calvinism so i'm not going to spend the time tonight debunking calvinism or anything like that but i want to preach what it is that i hate about calvinism not let's say you don't even know what calvinism is maybe you're new to church or you're not familiar with this doctrine it's basically in a nutshell the doctrine that says that god decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell god has made that decision it's not up to us it's up to him as opposed to what the bible clearly teaches that god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life he said whosoever will that means whosoever wants to let him take the water of life freely that's what the bible teaches number one i'm going to give you three reasons that i hate calvinism number one is because it causes people not to evangelize look people are dying and going to hell today and they're not going to be saved if we don't evangelize and this doctrine of calvinism that says that well god decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell it causes people not to evangelize go if you went to matthew chapter number seven matthew chapter number seven now if you say this to a calvinist they'll say well that's not true we believe in evangelism but you know what talk is cheap because you can say i'm for evangelism i believe in evangelism but if i don't see you going out and evangelizing if i don't see you going out in soul winning then that shows me you don't really believe in it you're just giving some lip service to it you might talk about it but if you actually were believing in it you'd be out doing it okay so calvinists will claim that they believe in evangelizing they'll claim well just because god made the decision we should still go out and preach the gospel to every creature we're still supposed to do that duty but yet you see them not doing it and it makes sense because if you had this doctrine that says well god makes the decision who goes to heaven and who goes to hell it's going to be a lot easier to decide to just stay home and not do it because soul winning is hard work soul winning's hard work now soul winning can be a lot of fun but sometimes soul winning can be a drudgery sometimes soul winning can be a slog but you know what we do it anyway because we love the lost want to pull them out of the fire and we believe that what we're doing is actually making a difference in people's lives and when you point out to calvinists how their doctrine discourages evangelism and how people are not evangelizing that are calvinists often they'll point to jonathan edwards and william carrey so basically they have to go back 250 years literally 250 years oh yeah what about this calvinist jonathan edwards he evangelized what about william carrey folks can you give me something a little more recent finding a calvinist who wants to go soul winning it's like finding a pterodactyl i mean it might be out there but it's difficult to find it's rare to find a calvinist who wants to go soul winning so the fruit of this calvinist doctrine what is the fruit of it you know you can tell me all you want about the tree but the tree is known by his fruit and so when you have these guys who are emphasizing predestination emphasizing election emphasizing the sovereignty of god guess what the fruit of that is deadness and a lack of evangelism okay not to mention the fact that it's not a biblical concept in the first place okay we don't believe in their predestination doctrine look what the bible says in matthew 7 15 beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they're ravening wolves you shall know them by their fruits do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them the good tree brings forth good fruit the corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit and when you look at the fruit of the calvinist doctrine you know what you see it's an evil fruit is corruption because it's a lack of soul and a lack of evangelism jesus christ gave us the great commission when he said go therefore and teach all nations go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature as my father had sent me so said i you he didn't say i'm sending you to a seminary or a college to get locked up in a library somewhere locked up in an ivory tower somewhere to sit there and navel gaze and do all this theology and come up with all these apologetics and all these complicated arguments that joe glow on the street doesn't even care about you know it's it's funny how these calvinists will say we don't have apologetics if we're king james only we don't have an apologetic you know james white arch calvinist said to me he said well you're not going to be able to argue with catholics like i can with that with that with that doctrine you got there with that apologetic you got there you know it's funny i've been out soul winning every week for the last 20 years and i've never had somebody bring up to me codex vannecanis or conex sinaiaticus or codex alexandrinus on the doorstep and i've been soul winning to literally tens of thousands of doors nobody's ever brought these things up to me nobody's ever wanted to talk about the papyri okay joe plumber joe's six-pack are going to respond to the simple gospel of jesus christ and you know what it says of jesus christ the common people heard him gladly can these calvinists say that that common people gladly listen to their preaching no way what's the fruit of the look either make the tree good and his fruit good or else make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt the tree is known by his fruit what good has come of this predestination calvinist doctrine all it does is throw a wet blanket on soul winning it kills the soul winning spirit in fact i was talking to a calvinist a couple days ago in person in real life you know these encounters still exist where you actually flesh and bone get together and actually talk to people look at their faces and and interact in real life and he was talking about the fact that a lot of people criticize my soul winning you know my i've got a soul winning demonstration video and there are examples of me soul winning online and uh there's a bible way to heaven video where i'm presenting the gospel in asu and so forth and he said you know i wanted to go on line and see if i could you know get some videos of calvinist soul i want to see how calvinists go so any because they don't like the way you go soul-winning so i want to see how they're going soul-winning and he searched and he searched he went on youtube he typed in calvinist soul-winning he said the first 75 results were independent fundamental baptist soul-winning most of them from us and our friends when they typed in the word calvinist they want to see a calvinist soul-winning and stephen anderson pops up bruce mahia pops up manly perry pops up why because there aren't videos of calvinist going soul-winning and he tried a bunch of other search terms he was trying to find an example well how do our reformed buddies go soul-winning they can't find it because there's so little evangelism going on amongst calvinism and they can give lip service to it but the fact is they rarely do it and if you find an independent fundamental baptist church that's calvinist because guess what there are independent fundamental king james baptist churches that are calvinist and guess what the soul-winning program is not going to be on fire it probably doesn't even exist this is just the reality you know you can talk about theory all you want how about taking a look at the real world and see what's actually happening now i can actually give you an example of a calvinist out soul-winning i'm pretty sure ray comfort is a calvinist is he am i right about that and you know what i've seen his soul-winning is soul losing okay he goes out there he talks to the weirdest people he can find but when he preaches to them i can't even count how many times and i haven't watched all his videos but i watched a bunch of these encounters and i can't even count how many times he gets to the end of the conversation he goes through his plan of salvation with these people and he gets the end and this is how he ends the conversation so when are you going to turn from your sins so when are you going to repent of your sins who's watched his videos and contested by that that's how many of them end yeah hands all over the building so when you're going to turn from your sins when you're going to repent of your sins and they're like well i don't know and he's like well that's what you got to do okay bye you don't see people actually getting saved because that's not the gospel what kind of good news is that hey turn your life around turn over a new leaf stop sinning be willing to turn from your sins repent of all your sins give up your sins when are you going to be ready to give up that live-in girlfriend when you're going to be ready to give up your drinking when are you going to be ready to give up this sin and that's it that's not the gospel hey you got to give up that's it you want to talk about a man-centered salvation and that's what the Calvinist will accuse fundamental baptists having a man-centered salvation here's a man-centered salvation turn from your sins to be saved here's a christ-centered salvation believe on the lord jesus christ and thou shalt be saved believe in the finished work of christ on calvary his death his burial his resurrection that is your ticket to heaven that's a christ-centered salvation you know and and ray comfort spends more time talking about the ten commandments than he does talking about the gospel of jesus christ the gospel is like an afterthought it's like ps jesus died on the cross let's go back to talking about your sins again and how you need to give them up and turn from them it's works it's a workspace salvation way of the bastards it's called way of the master no it's way of the bastards because they're not sons of god they are bastards but we see in second corinthians four you don't have to turn there but this is one of the most important scriptures about sowing it says but if our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of christ who is the image of god should shine under them if our gospel is hid it's hid to the lost they suffer when they don't hear the gospel when we don't evangelize they're so into theology aren't they they sit around studying and admiring the sword sharpening the sword polishing the sword that they forget to take the sword out into battle they forget that the sword is a weapon to be used not enshrined and in fact in the case of the esv which is usually what the calvinists are using nine times out of ten that's not even a sword that's a butter knife and they're sitting around polishing up their butter knife looking at their reflection in a butter knife playing around fooling around with a spork and a butter knife they're bringing a knife to a gunfight they're bringing a butter knife to a gunfight it's a joke the esv is not the word of god esv is a corruption of scripture which leads me to my next point go to romans chapter 11 romans chapter number 11 i'm going to show you a verse that the esv corrupts that's a key verse in regard to salvation so what is it what is it that i hate about calvinism the first thing i hate about calvinism is how it causes people not to evangelize and any honest calvinist would admit you know what we're super weak on evangelism because that's just a fact okay but here's what's even worse so number one it causes people not to evangelize because even in independent fundamental baptist churches when the calvinism comes in soul winning doesn't ramp up soul winning fizzles out okay it's not going to have any good fruit it's only going to be a lack of fruit negative fruit because it's a bad doctrine if it were a good doctrine it would bring forth good fruit because the good tree always brings forth good fruit and the bad tree brings forth bad fruit but this is the worst part about calvinism what i want to focus on point number two point number one was that it caused people not to evangelize point number two is that calvinists often mix faith with works they often will mix faith and works what does the bible say of course the famous verses for by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of god not of works lest any man should boast salvation is not of works lest any man should boast is salvation of faith it's by faith it's not by works these two things don't mix they're separate it's it's by faith by grace through faith over here yes this is the yes area by faith through grace it's not of works do you see the division here these things are far apart grace and faith works they don't go together friend within regard now you say well sure they always go to get look friend when it comes to salvation no mixing grace and faith are over here works over now in our christian practical lives of course they're mixing you know we should be exercising faith every day doing works every day having faith doing works but in the discussion of salvation they're totally separate things in regard to salvation you got grace through faith not of works yes by faith not by works romans 4 5 says but to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness even as david also described the blessedness of the man unto whom god impudeth righteousness without works saying blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered blessed is the man to whom the lord will not impute sin it's not that he doesn't sin it's just that the lord doesn't impute his sin because he's saved by faith he that believeth on him that justifies the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness but look at romans 11 verse 5 this is a powerful verse verse 6 is really the key but it says and even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace now there there's a phrase that the calvinists should love to home in on the election of grace okay well let's keep reading and if by grace if you're going to claim to believe it's by grace if you're going to say you're preaching salvation by grace then it is no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace don't tell me you're teaching a salvation by grace if it's of works because grace and works cannot mix in regard to salvation could it be any more clear and then he says this and i and i love the second half of the verse it says otherwise grace is no more grace but if it be of works then is it no more grace otherwise work is no more work you know what the modern versions do including the esv which is the calvinist bible of choice they chop off the second half of the verse and here's what they say i don't have it in front of me but from memory it basically says well if it's by grace then it's no longer of works you know what that makes it sound like it makes it sound like it was by works in the past and it's no longer by works now it's by grace you know it it makes it sound like it's not by works anymore but it folks it's never been by works it's always been by abraham believed god and it was counted for righteousness but when you read it in the king james bible there can be no doubt because it's so clear because he he flips it over and says it both ways he says well if it's by grace then it's no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace and if it be of works there's no more grace otherwise work is no more work there's no way to misunderstand this in the king james and the esv misleading and it sounds like oh it used to be by uh works now it's by great that's a lie like how they chop out a key verse like this that says that there's no mixing between faith and works go to first corinthians chapter three this is key first corinthians chapter number three first corinthians chapter number three now what do what do i mean when i say that calvinists often mix faith and works because if you say to a calvinist hey you're teaching work salvation you're mixing faith and works they're going to deny that but here's what they do and how deceptive it is okay and in fact let me use a couple guys as an illustration guys get a couple volunteers up here a couple men to come up here and volunteer to step up here a couple guys you guys are up in the front okay all right i think i only need these two thank you i think i'm good with these two so here's what's going on you're going to represent works okay you're going to represent faith so go over here please so remember how i said this is the yes zone of what what does this have to do with salvation is this what gets us to heaven is this what saves us yes faith is a yes okay what about this over here works is this getting us to heaven no way this is the no column not the same here's what the calvinist does the calvinist says well this doesn't get you to heaven either they put faith and works both in the no column they say oh well you get saved first you get regenerated first and then faith follows and works follow they say god unconditionally elects you see in our doctrine this is the condition here's the condition if thou believeth with all thine heart if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the lord jesus and shall believe in thine heart that god is raised for the dead thou shalt be saved but they said no it's unconditional nothing you know what's over here this is just the will of god just so so faith gets put over here have you noticed how close these guys are now you know have you noticed how they're mixing do you see the mixing so they're like oh no no it's not of works not of works not of works they'll say it's not of works but you know what they also say oh it's not even a faith what have they just done they just mixed faith and works what they ought to be doing is saying yes it's by our faith that we're saved yes it's believed it's not works you stay over there and you stay over there that's what i mean look that's what they ought to believe you stay there you are a yes we are saved by faith and you know what's so hypocritical about so many of these calvinists is that one of the five mottos of the protestant reformation they have five mottos they're called the five solas and let me tell you that sola means only if you know spanish you know that right solo means is only the only solo too me amor solo too you know i'm just making that up but i'm sure there's a song like that am i saying am i doing that can a spanish speaker is that correct is that good grammar sola too only okay so here here are their solas of the protestant reformation you know what one of them is sola fide you know what that means only faith faith alone i mean this is their motto sola fide faith alone but is that what you see calvinists today teaching often oh salvations by faith alone that's not what they teach they either they either bring this guy over here or they bring this guy over here but you know at the end of the day these guys are rubbing shoulders when you talk to most calvinists that's what ends up happening these guys end up in the same category okay look i said in my sermon a while back and i encourage you to listen to this sermon if you haven't already i preach something called the problem with protestants and i i kind of jokingly quoted gandhi instead of instead instead of saying i'd be a christian if it weren't for christians i said i'd be a protestant if it weren't for protestants you know i totally said you know you lutherans are nothing like your luther you know or whatever but the point is and i'm not for martin luther but what i'm saying is he baptized babies amen but listen to this okay sola fide is a great slogan it's a great motto faith alone if only they would believe that it'd be great right but what do we see the vast majority of the time the mixing sola scriptura hey that's a great scripture alone that's a great motto too shame that they typically don't believe that okay go ahead and have a seat gentlemen i appreciate you being a good sport sola fide faith alone by grace alone through faith alone to god alone be the glory for by grace are you saved through faith not of works lest any man should boast right this is their theme song this is literally their anthem the protestant anthem by grace alone through faith alone to god alone be the glory hey sounds great too bad they don't believe in it sounds great though doesn't it but when you start talking about salvation by faith alone they get mad they do a lot of mixing don't they look what the bible says in first corinthians 3 this is a key passage to understand because a lot of times calvinists will say that well you know you got to have works it's just the works come later but you got to have them well what does the bible say first corinthians 3 11 for other foundation can no man lay then that is laid which is jesus christ now if any man build upon this foundation gold silver precious stones wood hay stubble every man's work shall be made manifest for the day shall declare it because it shall be revealed by fire and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is if any man's work abide which he has built thereupon he shall receive a reward if any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss but he himself shall be saved yet so is by fire what a key passage mark this in your bible put a bookmark underline it make it a memory verse what's he saying he's saying look someday our works are going to be tested i believe it's a reference to the judgment seat of christ and at the judgment seat of christ our works are going to be examined and the works that had eternal value gold silver precious stones they will abide the fire and we will cash them in like a token for spiritual rewards and eternal rewards all the things that we did that had no eternal value your athletic achievements your business achievements right all the things that you did artistically you know things that just didn't have any eternal value and they're not even necessarily bad things i mean he didn't say it was dung he said it was wood hay and stubble wood and stubble are wonderful materials they have their place but they have no eternal value so if you only lived your life doing things that have no eternal value your works are going to be burned up and you know what you're going to be left with you know what this guy's left with in this passage nothing isn't that clear i mean can you can you get anything else out of this first corinthians 3 other than the fact that it's all burned up because what is it saying it's saying if any man's work shall be burned so all right lord here's the work i did all gone all burned up nothing there he didn't do jack that was worthy of any reward from christ he shall suffer loss what does that mean he's lacking or missing out on rewards but here's the key but he himself shall be saved yet so is by fire you know this is people who make it into heaven by the skin of their teeth right and guess what they made it they believed on christ how many good works did they have how many works did christ say well at least you did this well here's something here's a well wait look here's a little tiny diamond here wait here's a little speck of gold dust here for you hey i found a little glitter here that made it through the fire folks it's all gone this this the so as by fire salvation everything's gone i mean does everybody see that in your bible so can you get to heaven without doing any good works and worthy of any reward absolutely now go to john chapter eight one of the key doctrines of the reformed crowd or the protestant crowd or the calvinist crowd and of course not all protestants are calvinists of course uh you know that that's you know when we think of reformed or reformed baptists or presbyterians or calvinists you know that's what we're talking about tonight and they believe in a doctrine and this is one of their key doctrines it's called perseverance of the saints okay and their doctrine is known as tulip this is an acronym to remember their doctrine and this is something that they will say yes i subscribe to tulip so you've got you know these five things total depravity unconditional election limited atonement irresistible grace and then the fifth one is perseverance of the saints okay now here's the thing about this there is some truth in this it really depends on how you look at this now my dad's here tonight and there are certain things that my dad really drilled into me growing up there are certain biblical doctrines that he would just hammer again and again certain themes that he would come back to again and again and again and if i've heard my dad quote these verses that i'm about to show you if i've heard him once i've literally probably heard him quote these verses 50 times i mean he had these verses down i mean he was just constantly bringing this up so this is something that was deeply ingrained in me and in fact it's been a theme of my preaching it's something i have hammered and preached for years ever since i've been pastoring it's something i've believed strongly since i was a little kid because from a child i knew the holy scriptures and specifically these verses that my dad just hammered into me and i thank god for that because it's great doctrine look what the bible says in john 8 47 sound familiar dad he that is of god heareth god's words ye therefore hear them not because you're not of god this was hammered into me go to john chapter 10 john chapter 10 verse 4 and when he putteth forth his sheep he goeth before them and the sheep follow him for they know his voice and a stranger will they not follow but will flee from him for they know not the voice of strangers remember talking about that dad a few times yeah john chapter 7 then said jesus unto them again verily verily i say to you i'm the door of the sheep all that ever came before me are thieves and robbers and i love this part but the sheep did not hear them all the false christ false messiahs the sheep did not hear them he said they don't know the voice of strangers they won't follow another they know not the voice of strangers and you know that's why it says in matthew 24 that the anti-christ would be so slick that if it were possible he would deceive the elect you know what it's not possible no save born again child of god is going to be worshiping the anti-christ and receiving the mark of the beast sorry john mccarther if you get the mark of the beast you're going to hell period he said you can get the mark of the beast and still be saved look it up repeatedly he said that here's a key john 10 26 but you believe not because you're not of my sheep as i said unto you my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me and i give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand my father which gave them me is greater than all and no man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand now if you would turn to first john chapter two first john chapter number two first john chapter number two those scriptures that i just showed you from john chapter eight and from john chapter 10 are something that my dad ingrained into me and you know what my dad was teaching me and what i've constantly preached is this if somebody leaves our church and goes and becomes a mormon if somebody who claims to be saved goes and joins the roman catholic church and says nope i i'm a former baptist now i'm roman catholic if somebody who claims to be a christian or goes to our church goes out and joins the russian orthodox church the jehovah's false witnesses or if they become an atheist or a homo what would we say about that person we would say that person was never saved in the first place and i'm not saying i don't think they were never saved i am saying they for sure were not saved we had a family in our church leave our church and join the russian orthodox church and i said you were never saved you are going to hell you are not saved if you believe all that hocus pocus mumbo jumbo and look friend i just got back from cyprus and i was filming that documentary about going back to the greek and let me tell you something i talked to orthodox person after orthodox after orthodox look everybody that we won to christ on that trip all 25 people that were one to christ were all orthodox all of them and you know what they said when we asked them do you know for sure you're going to heaven they said i think i'd probably go to hell or they said i don't know rarely someone said yeah i know i'm going to heaven why because i'm a good person no mention of jesus no mention of christ no mention of the cross right i'm a good person you think that's selva don't defend the orthodox church to me don't defend the orthodox church folks i've been there i talk to people on the street and if you've been out soul winning around here i'm sure you've run it who's running into the russian orthodox here or the greek orthodox or the romanian orthodox folks you talk to them they don't have salvation it's another gospel now listen if somebody becomes an atheist if somebody starts believing in catholicism mormonism jehovah's way they were never saved in the first place that's what i've always taught that's what my dad taught me that's what the bible says it's clear that's what and look we had a guy in the la church he didn't like that doctrine did he brother bruce he made videos and you know what he called us calvinists for believing that he said we're teaching perseverance of the saints well you know what if that's what perseverance of the saints is that i believe in perseverance of the saints because you know what i believe i believe that every person that is truly saved will persevere in their belief in christ in the faith they won't say oh i don't believe in jesus anymore it's all a lie it's a fairy tale that person was never saved if you agree with me say amen right now that person was never saved because the spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we're the children of god and when you see people going out and and denying the trinity and teaching damnable heresy they were never saved in the first place look down at your bible first john chapter 2 verse 18 little children it is the last time and as you've heard that antichrist shall come even now are there many antichrists whereby we know that it is the last time they went out from us but they were not of us for if they had been of us they would no doubt no doubt no doubt have continued is there any doubt is there any doubt in this verse they would no doubt have continued with us but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us so that we could all see what a phony they were so that we could see that they were a liar that they were a judas that they were a phony and a devil from the beginning they went out and preached these lies and joined these phony churches and made these damnable professions of their wicked ungodly faith in lies to show us all and to be made manifest that they were not of us in the first place we thought they were of us but they didn't continue with us because they weren't even of us in the first place look this is what the bible says here's the problem with the calvinists you know what a calvinist will typically say about perseverance of the saints when you actually talk to them and get down to the nitty-gritty to them it means persevere in church persevere in works persevere in living a godly life persevere in being a good christian and they say oh if you don't keep living the christian life if you don't keep doing the works if you don't stay faithful to church well then you weren't saved in the first place if you don't do works if i don't see you earning works rewards you didn't get saved that's garbage but you know what you do have to persevere in the faith why because if you stop believing in jesus you know what that tells me that you were never saved in the first place if you're just like i'm an atheist now you can like that or lump that that is what and somebody said oh this doctor is creeping into the new ifb really because last time i checked i thought i started the new ifb and i've been preaching that since 2006 i've been preaching it since i was nine years old and my dad was teaching it before i was even born what kind of garbage is what is this junk that says oh you can join the mormon church and you're saved why don't you just take the mark of the beast and be saved then stupid doctrine because you know what if you're actually saved you're going to continue believing in jesus christ i don't believe this junk that says oh yeah well now they're a catholic but you know they got they used to believe right so they're saved no once you're saved you're always saved and once you're saved the holy spirit lives inside you and you don't follow strangers now look i'm not saying people can't get mixed up on doctrine i'm saying i'm not saying people can't get confused or get caught up in stupid teachings and false teachings but nobody's going to become a full-blown atheist a full-blown homo a full-blown uh agnostic a full if there is such a thing a full-blown catholic jehovah's witness mormon that's stupid and i don't believe in that and it's it's dumb and you know what it's people taking the truth and going to unbiblical stupid extremes it's like these dumb soul-winning presentations that i was rebuking at the detroit soul-winning conference where it's like yeah you know i mean even if you just totally stop believing in christ and just and just completely you're still going to heaven no because that would show you didn't even believe in him the first time hello is anybody home but here's the unbiblical perseverance of the saints that you hear calvin is teaching constantly is oh you got backslidden you went back to the world you went back to your old ways of sin must have never really been saved now look let me give you an illustration to help drive this point home okay because the problem with that is you're mixing works at that point if you say oh you can never backslide or you weren't really saved in the first place that's like a de facto lose your salvation or something okay let me give you an illustration i had a buddy when i was 17 years old this guy was my best friend at the time and he had been sent to one of these brat camps that reforms you okay you know like your parents they can't handle you you get maybe you get in trouble with the law so he got sent to one of these brat camps it was like a lester roelof home type of a place where it's like a drill instructor and they beat you and whip you into submission they're like barely legal you know you know or like you who knows what i'm talking about they're just like pumping bible verses and hymns on loudspeakers all day it's like this hardcore indoctrination camp okay and this guy was my best friend i mean i got really close to this guy and so i you know he told me all about it he said everybody that would get there when they would first get there they'd all come down the aisle and get saved but they didn't really understand salvation they just kind of knew that's what they're supposed to do they'd all right but then they said you know usually a few weeks later after they'd heard a lot of preaching and stuff they would they would end up actually understanding the gospel and then they'd actually get saved and he got saved at that home so even though there were things about it that that were bad he was thankful at least that he got saved at this place so this guy came back and i mean he was straight laced i mean when i met the first time i met this guy he had like a perfect haircut suit and tie dimple in the tie he's carrying like a giant king james he walked into my church and there were like no young people in my church my age so when this guy walked in it's like this is my new best friend because he's my age so i hit it off with this guy his name was john and so me and john man i used to give him rides to church we became best buddies we'd go soul winning together we'd talk about the bible together we hung out and and had a good time but here's the thing about a lot of those type of homes is that when people come out of them and they no longer have that drill instructor kind of breathing down their throat a lot of times those people end up reverting back to their old ways of life okay but what kind of kept this guy on the right path was the fact that i was his best friend and i was really pulling him in a spiritual direction so you know as long as i was with him things were going good with him spiritually he was serving god he was going soul winning he was faithful to church and we were just iron sharpening iron and it was all great but it was sort of like that bible story where you know as soon as joe hoy to the priest dies and then all of a sudden joe ash is no longer serving the lord you know when he doesn't have that person that's that's pushing him so i was kind of that person's life pushing him we ended up going our separate ways i went off to bible college and then he just kind of didn't have a close friend in the church and what did he do he faded away from the church because he didn't have somebody helping him and motivating him to make a long story short before he went to that brat camp he lived a very wicked life he'd been into drugs he'd been into a lot of really bad fornication even though he's just young you know he's just a wild teenager and so over the course of the years that i was gone at bible college he just went back to a sinful life right just totally went back to his old ways he's hanging around with the same old friends that he used to have because he just didn't have me as a friend so he went back to old friends they pulled him back into a life of sin so anyway i ended up coming back and and getting in touch with him and wanting to reach out to him i called his relatives hey can i get a phone number you know i finally found him and caught up with him and he was just living in a house with a bunch of other derelict young people and i told him i said you're not right with god you're living in sin and he said you know what i know i know i'm sorry i shouldn't be doing this i fell into this i'm sorry and you know what i came upon him unawares like he didn't know that i was going to get in touch with him he didn't have time to plan this or prepare this but he had a backpack on him when i found him and confronted him and he pulled out of his backpack a king james bible and he said you know what i still carry this with me everywhere i go i still love the lord i love christ but you know what i'm just i've gotten into sin i'm in the flesh i'm backslidden i'm sorry and i tried to help him out i tried to say hey let you know let's let's get you to clean up your life i can get you a job at the company i work for i'll vouch for you if you need to stay at my house for a couple days you can stay at my house what can i do to get you back on track but you know what he just he ended up just continuing in that life of sin fast forward 10 years later my sister and my mom they see him and he's basically like a dirty bum sitting by the side of the road because that's where sin is going to take you right he looked like a dirty homeless person just looked like a bum looked like a derelict but you know what he still confessed christ as a savior he still believed on the lord jesus christ he knew what he was doing was wrong he knew he was in sin he felt bad about it that guy was saved his belief never waved he never said oh i'm not sure if i even believe the gospel anymore he knew the gospel was true he knew christ was his savior he knew the bible was the word of god and you know what the bible says the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak the spirit is willing but the flesh and here's a key verse i'm giving you some really key verses tonight romans chapter 7 i delight in the law of god after the inward man but i find another law warring in my members and you know what paul explained that it was the flesh that was causing him to sin but on the inside deep down he wanted to do what was right he delighted in the law of god after the inward man the spirit is willing but often the flesh is weak and so we see people go into sin so the perseverance of the saint's doctrine that you'll hear most calvinists preaching that you know what they'll say they'll say oh that guy wasn't really saved because he didn't continue you know what he did continue in his faith he didn't continue in the works and you know what that guy when he gets to heaven is not going to be gaining a bunch of rewards he's not going to be ruling and reigning with christ in a marvelous way he is going to be very little in the kingdom of heaven because he's wasting his life doing nothing living a life of sin he's going to just pile up all that wood hand stubble someday it's going to be burned up but he himself shall be saved amen that's what i believe now i don't know his heart i can't see in his heart to say for sure he's safe but i knew this guy very well i believe it's obvious that he was saved but you know what people who have been addicted to drugs the chances of relapsing are so high don't ever even mess with that stuff kids don't even try it i mean just look up the statistics on people who are drug addicts who relapse it's astronomical it's astronomical okay and and you know what how many times have you seen people it's not drugs maybe but it's drunkenness you know we had it you know we had a godly native american man in our church and you know what they struggle with alcohol out on that reservation and this guy was fired up he was soul winning he loved the lord faithful to church believed right there was even talk of him being a pastor but he just fell back into drinking and he's been out of church for probably like a decade now why because he can't come to church and be a drunk the bible says no and so the pull of alcohol on his life is so strong and he's failing to overcome that does that mean he's not saved did he lose his salvation no you can't lose your salvation so look this is a false this perseverance of the saint's doctrine that says oh you're going to keep on serving god you're going to keep on doing the works really because i see christians that fail and that doesn't mean that they're not safe now if they start saying that they believe in mormonism now well then they were never saved in the first place but it's not based on their works it's based on their faith because what saved them works faith saved them that's a false doctrine now look i just put out this documentary last who saw my documentary that i uploaded last night i put out this documentary and i received some criticism from people because of the fact that in that documentary i have a guy that i took with me on that trip who's a reformed baptist who believes in predestination calvinism which is a doctrine that i strongly disagree with and strongly disapprove of and people say why in the world would you have this guy working with you why would you bring him with you why would you befriend this guy and they said all calvinists aren't saved i don't believe that i don't believe that all calvinists are not saved i do believe that the majority of calvinists out there are mixing faith and works and are not saved because they are teaching a workspace salvation you say well how why do you believe that this guy's saved well let me give you some reasons why i believe he saved because number one he believes that salvation is a hundred percent by faith and he doesn't mix faith and works at all and in fact he even agrees with me on the issue of repentance we've talked about repentance at length and he is not into this repentance of sin turn over a new leaf gospel that you're constantly hearing from reformed baptists like james white and jeff derpin he agrees with us on repentance he is king james only in fact all goes so far is to say i have talked to him at length we made a whole documentary about the text of the bible and i'll say this he believes exactly what i believe about the king james bible because he believes that the greek text is the perfect preserved word of god and that the king james is a translation of that text that is without error it's a right translation of the right manuscript i don't believe in this spooky ruckmanite trash that somehow the king james is a new revelation or that you know the superstitious thing that it has to say eternal instead of everlasting or everlasting instead of eternal when those both mean the exact same thing or if it's not capitalized it's not the word of god it's kind of stupid doc i don't believe in that stupid doctrine i believe that we have the hebrew preserved in the masoretic text we have the greek preserved in the texas receptors and that the king james is a perfect translation without error it's without error that's why it is my final authority because i am an english speaker and as an english speaker that's my bible that's the bible that i based my faith on you say wow why don't you go to the greek and hebrew folks i believe that the king james says the same thing that the greek says you know james white lied about me and said oh you think the english corrects the greek no i don't you're mixing me up with bozos like sam gipp and jean kim i don't believe that the king james and the greek ever deviate i believe that they beat they say the same thing you know what and you can read the bible in other languages it should say the same thing and the king james does say the same thing is what the original greek says he believes the same thing on the king james he believes the same thing on repentance he believes that salvation is by faith he hates the doctrine of losing your salvation he believes right on these things now look he's wrong on predestination he's wrong about that and you know what everybody wants to dig up old clips of stuff that he said but you know what i'm talking about what he believes right now from talking to him right now this is a guy who ditched the esv a year and a half ago turned his whole church over to the king james and you know what let me say this okay you know what he told me he said well i always like the king james better anyway i just thought i had to use the esv because that's what everybody was telling me was so accurate isn't that what these bible colleges and seminaries are lying and teaching people oh you got to use the esv now look i'm not making excuses for doctrinal errors that this guy has but i am saying that i believe that he's a brother in christ and you know what i thought it was great to actually find a calvinist who wants to go soul winning because you know what the vast majority of calvinists think about our soul winning ministry they think it's garbage ask the typical reformed baptist presbyterian or whatever they'll tell oh that's soul winning that's garbage that's one two three repeat after me that's easy believism that's junk that's what they'll accuse us of you know this guy loves our soul winning program he wants to go soul winning he's implementing soul winning he's willing to go out and go so and you know why would i not reach out to a brother in christ who wants to grow who wants to do right who's constantly learning and growing and wants to do right and you know what i'd rather hang around with him any day of the week than an independent fundamental baptist who's against soul winning i don't want anything to do with independent fundamental baptists that don't go so any and let me just drop a name that some of you guys might even be friends with matt first you know we had a guy named matt first in our film marching design and let me tell i saw him publicly criticizing soul winning and you know what i said i want nothing to do with that guy ever again i don't care if he's right on israel i don't care if he's right on the rapture i don't care what he's right about i don't care if he's an independent fundamental baptist if he's against soul winning then i don't want anything to do with them i'd rather hang around with a reform guy who wants to go out soul and win people to christ than some dead as a doornail independent fundamental baptist and look i'm not saying go to his church i'm not saying that calvinism is okay i hate calvinism i think it's a stupid doctrine in fact that's my whole sermon is what i don't like about it it discourages soul winning it often ends up mixing faith and works i haven't even got to the third point i asked this guy about perseverance of the saints and you know what he said he said they're going to persevere with it i said let me ask you this do you think there's any way that you could ever backslide and go back to a life of sin of course i asked his church members do you think there's any way you could backslide and go back into a life of course would that make you doubt your salvation no way no way it would not make me doubt my salvation because that's not what my salvation is based on now let me tell you another story so i'm in cyprus with this reformed baptist pastor we walk into an independent fundamental baptist church and the pastor the moment i walked in started just praising me and oh stephen anderson you know the moment i walked in he's like oh man i've always wanted to meet you i can't believe you're here this is so great god has answered all my prayers it's so amazing i've wanted to go so away so great hey we went out to eat with the guy and talk to him and the guy wasn't saved and you know what he said he said i could never go back to the life of sin that would just never happen couldn't happen i asked his church i asked his church members i said what do you think a person has to do to get to heaven i took aside some of his church members i said what do you think a person has to do to get to heaven you know what he said or they said live a good life obey jesus do the right things that was a little fruit inspection that failed so we're sitting we're sitting at this dinner i'm sitting here reformed baptist is sitting here independent fundamental baptist is in the crossroads and we both look at each other and we both say this guy isn't saved this guy's trusting works this guy's not believing in salvation by faith alone and we got up and walked out of the dinner and i'm like i can't take this guy's soul winning with me this guy's a false teacher this guy's a false prophet and you know what guess what independent fundamental baptist many of them are teaching a workspace salvation this repent of your sins and you know you got to make jesus the lord you don't think there are lordship salvationists amongst independent fundamental baptists guess what there are it's out there you know it's out there now look obviously and i'm saying look i'm not saying hey it doesn't matter what denomination you are i'm saying this i'm saying that i think that the vast majority of calvinists are not saved because i hear them teaching work salvation and you know what i told this to these guys and they said hey we think you're right because we're seeing a lot of the same thing we're seeing a lot of so-called calvinists that are teaching workspace salvation and look in the path and everybody wants to throw my old preaching back in my face and say well you said that you're never going to have fellowship with reformed baptists you're never going to fellowship with calvin let me tell you something that's because i never met a calvinist who's king james only wants to go soul winning and agrees with me on the repentance doctrine i didn't even think that there was such a bird in existence and so look if i can basically reach out to this guy and create a film that shows some different perspectives of saying hey here's an independent fundamental baptist here's a reformed baptist and here's a native of greece who grew up in the greek school system he's a former orthodox member now he's saved we're going to go to greece and we're going to prove that the greek that's being taught in seminaries is a joke and you know what that film is going to reach a lot of reformed people that film is going to influence a lot of people and you know what people can sit and criticize it all they want but you know what i'm doing every single month i'm bringing new people into this movement i'm bringing new people in to church i'm bringing new people in this you know i don't want to preach to the choir i don't want to just get up and have all my my t's crossed and my eyes dotted with all my buddies and we can all sit around and pat each other on the back how we all believe exactly the same you know what i want to do i want to get out and take some guys out soul winning that have never been soul winning i want to take some guys out that haven't been soul winning in a long time and get them back out soul winning i want to reach out to some guys and bring them into the full and get people you know over to our side and and you know what even if people don't come all the way to our side i can still be friends with whoever i want to be friends with if they're a brother in christ and you know i'd rather be with somebody i'd rather be friends with somebody who's farther away from me doctrinally but coming the right direction than some bozo who's right next to me going the wrong direction and you know what let me tell you something this movement is not really even a movement it's just a bunch of independent baptists and so if you don't like what i'm doing then you know what you can go do something else because i'm an independent fundamental baptist i'm going to do whatever i want and i you know i don't want to have some movement to be my policeman and my watchdog if you don't like what i'm doing then go lump it go jump in a lake i answer to god i don't answer to you and you know what there are preachers in this movement who preach things that i don't like all the time hey you came here to hear hard preaching right you just want me to rip on you just want me to rip on fags and calvinists and everybody well you know what look in the mirror there are preachers in this movement that preach stuff i don't like there are preachers in this movement that do things i don't like and you know what i don't do i don't attack them publicly i don't criticize them i might call them personally and express my concerns to them but you know i don't take shots at them and pick them apart and try to police them and be a watchdog on them you know why because i'm independent and they're independent and i'm not trying to control them and i don't want them to try to control me i want to do my own thing and you know i don't need this movement i have a local church that i pastor that's all i need if you don't like me walk away you don't like what i'm doing walk away you don't like the fact that i'm that i have a friend who i'm trying to help and be a blessing to and that you know i'm working together at a good goal with then you know what walk away go criticize me mouth off about me do whatever you want but you know what i'm gonna do what's right and you know what i'm gonna keep reaching people and you know what i personally even though i hate calvinism i'm glad that every single meeting that i've preached at for the past six months listen to me now somebody has walked up to me at that meeting who was a first-time visitor and said i'm a calvinist who loves your preaching and that's why i'm here hey you know what i'm glad you know when i see muslims watching my videos i love that when i see roman catholics and greek orthodox watching my video i love that when i see people saying hey i'm an atheist but i just can't stop listening to your preaching i love that you know why because i know the word of god's powerful i have members in my church that say when they first started listening my preaching they wanted to physically hurt me they literally said that they fantasized about coming to phoenix to injure me and now that guy is one of my best friends let's overcome evil with good he said oh you're compromised i'm not what did i compromise i'm not compromising anything i don't have a calvinist bone in my body and i never will i don't like calvinism in fact it makes me angry because i see people going to hell and i see calvinism throwing a wet blanket on soul winning all the time makes me mad and you know what i don't like calvinism because they're often mixing faith and works and here's the third reason i don't like calvinism because it's a debate culture it's a debate culture it's wrong now listen to what the bible says about debate now look we talk a lot about how debate is bad because romans one says that the reprobates are full of debate amen that's a great verse but that's not our only verse folks we're not basing that on one verse because you don't just look up the verses about debate look up the verse about contention look up the verse about striving strive you know there are other things right listen to these verses second corinthians 12 20 don't turn to these because i'm just going to rattle through these for i fear lest when i should come i shall not find you as i would and that i shall be found unto you such as you would not lest there be debate debates envyings wraths stripes backbiting whisperings swellings two molts first corinthians 3 3 for you're yet carnal for whereas there is among you envying and strife and divisions are you not carnal and walk as men notice how envying and debate envying and strife notice how they go together i'm gonna explain that in a moment the bible says a fool's lips enter into contention and his mouth call for strokes the bible says in philippians 1 16 the one preached christ of contention not sincerely the people who love debate and love contention and love stripe they're not preaching sincerely who hath woe this is a perfect verse for the calvinists the reform crowd who hath woe who hath sorrow who hath contentions they tarry long at the wine they go to seek mixed wine they want to drink a wine cooler they it's a beer church most of these reformed churches are like a beer church they love their beer they love their wine and they love contention who has contentions and i'm kind of a little bit facetious reading the scripture but the shoe fits doesn't it avoid foolish questions avoid genealogies avoid contentions avoid strivings about the law foolish and unlearned questions avoid knowing that they do gender stripes they create debate they create strife they create contentions listen to me i guarantee you if you walked up to james white and said why aren't you evangelizing you calvinist why don't you go out and evangelize you know he'll say oh i evangelize my debates i'd be willing to bet that if you pinned him down when do you evangelize buddy he'll tell you well look at all the debates i did these people have replaced soul winning with debate they've replaced preaching the gospel with a debate god said avoid debate avoid contentions avoid the strife avoid arguments say well you're argument really because last time i checked preaching is not an argument because there's only one person talking who am i arguing with right now who's wouldn't it take two people to have an argument right now who am i arguing with there's one person preaching hey you know when i go out door to door soul winning and somebody wants to argue you know what i do i walk away i avoid arguments i avoid contentions i avoid strife these people thrive on debate they thrive on arguing they thrive on strife and you know why one word envy envy you know what envy is i'm better than you you know what envy is i'm the best i'm the greatest i'm first and you know what let me explain to you what a debate is it's a pissing match that's what a debate is it's a pissing match you know what it is it's i'm smarter than you because you know what you know who wins the debate not the guy who's right the guy who's better at debating you know who wins the debate look i've watched debates where the wrong side won why because they're smarter better at arguing better debate or maybe they're just full of debate so they win the argument that doesn't make them right and you know what a pissing match is not what christ has called go into all the world and show everybody how you're smarter than them you know i'm not ashamed of how smart i am because it's the power of god unto salvation it's unprofitable in vain it's ego driven ego ego driven soul winning is humble debate is ego driven it's a wicked thing to be into striving oh yeah you're misinterpreting romans one what am i misinterpreting the other 10 verses i just read that said avoid contention whoops sorry avoid stride watch that first step it's a doozy avoid contention avoid strife right avoid debates quit being envious you know you're trying to be puffed up and be better than other people that's what these debates are it's all they are you know it's it's like politics and religion of mixtures you know these political debates they make me sick and these religious debates make me sick too i want to argue with somebody about doctrine i want to preach doctrine i want to listen to people preach to me i'm okay to have a dialogue or discussion talk about things it's good to have a good conversation but not a debate where neither side wants to budge and they just want to fight for the sake of having a public fight so everybody can look look at me i traveled to south africa and did debates i traveled to germany i well i'm banned from all those places i travel to an indian reservation oh i go to europe and engage in debates well you know i go to a reservation and dodge the res dogs and give the gospel to native americans and you know what the native americans on the res they don't want to talk about textual criticism they don't want to talk about nomena sacra and hapex legomenon and homo tell you ton they don't care you know but they'll talk about romans 323 they'll talk about romans 623 they'll talk about revelation 21 8 they'll talk about romans 5 8 look folks what do i hate about calvinism why the anger why the vitriol toward calvinism i'll tell you why because number one the number one reason why is because it caused people not to evangelize that's the fruit of that doctrine number two it often mixes faith and works and that's why i believe the majority of calvinists are not saved because look just the fact that they love the esv so much why they love that voice of a stranger it's the english stranger version why do they love it why don't they love the true word of god the king james why don't they just love it and number three because it's a culture of debate and i don't like debate and god doesn't like debate and debate is not a virtue that's why i hate calvinists now does this mean i hate all calvinists no do i think many calvinists are wicked false prophets like the demoniac jeff dirtbin and james white and their wickedness and false teaching and lies yes i believe it's wicked but you know what there are some good people out there that could be wrong on things and you know what a bunch of you in here are wrong on things or you've been wrong on things in the past or you used to be wrong on things and you know what you used to like paul washer and you used to listen to john mccarther and you used to listen to a lot of these same bozos how many of you used to be let's be honest every head bowed and every eyes closed who used to who used to like ray comfort put up your hand if you ever liked ray comfort look around whoever liked paul washer whoever liked john mccarther okay so i guess you can just go to hell you idiot and i don't want anything to do with you no folks look hey john mccarther and paul washer and ray comfort can go to hell but you know what a lot of good people in here they used to be into those guys but all of a sudden you know oh you know the guy who took the cyprus you know he said that he was into those guys well you know what he's not into james white anymore he's not in a dirt bin anymore so why don't you just cut him some slack and you say well i don't want to cut him then don't then don't but you know what why don't you just sit back and let me do something for god without picking me apart because i don't pick you apart and guess what i could because nobody's perfect but you know what i know that what i did is right i think it's a great movie i'm looking forward to seeing what it's going to do i think it's going to bring forth a lot of great fruit i think it's important and you know what i'm going to continue to be friends with pastor dane johanson i don't recommend his church he's not recommending my church i'm not recommending his church but you know what we are friends over the issue of the greek language and you know what i wish i had some independent fundamental baptist friends that i could speak greek with but i don't because none of them know greek and you know what i'm not saying you need to learn greek in fact i think 99 of baptist pastors don't need to know greek and i don't think that a layman needs to know it at all i don't think a pastor needs to know it if you watch my movie we make that abundantly clear but i will say this we need some people in each generation that actually know the languages so they can defend what the bible says in the king james version and who's going to be that guy in the coming generation who's it going to be i mean look and look pastor jonathan shelley got up here and just said in his sermon he said well i went to church and everybody's king james but they don't know why well you know what we need to fight that battle again in every generation and be able to fight these and i'm sick of the reformed baptists and the calvinists having the monopoly on the greek language sick of it well you know what it's time for a few a very few i'm not saying needs to be a bunch of people but you know what we need some young guys that are still young enough to learn a foreign language because when you get older it becomes almost impossible but we need a few young guys just a few guys we need some young guys to learn greek we need some young guys to learn hebrew so we can shut the mouths of these foolish naysayers and we can hold this book up and not be a numskull and an imbecile like sam gibb defending who do you want to defend the king james for sam gibb you want gail ripplinger to do it you want peter ruckman to do it or would you rather have just a couple of nifb guys who actually know the languages that can take these people to task that's what the last generation had some guys like that but they're passing off the scene you know i think dr roland rasperson was a great defender of the king james bible extremely knowledgeable and knowledgeable in greek and knowledgeable about these things but you know what he's 90 some years old he's totally retired who's going to carry the torch in the next generation we need a few people and so that's why i did what i did it doesn't mean i'm calvinist and you know what some people i think are just looking for something to pick apart about me well you know what guess what i'm not calvinist i hate calvinism i don't believe that it's predestined which people will go to heaven and which people will go to hell i believe it's up to the choice of whosoever will may come and you know what i thank god i thank god for the opportunity to serve him and reach people through the internet in an unprecedented way in human history to be able to just reach the masses so cool to be able to do that and i'm not going to compromise to do that last time i checked my preaching is not compromised it in fact is considered hate speech it gets me banned from countries it gets censored on social media but you know what it's not it's not compromised to reach out to somebody and be a blessing to them if they're saved and you know what if this guy's not saved then explain to me why he's not because he believes in salvation totally by faith if he wants to believe some navel-gazing doctrine about god making the decision before the world began it's it's a wrong doctrine it doesn't negate his salvation i've seen saved people get mixed up in that too and so we need to understand this is a bad doctrine calvinism bad does anybody not understand what i just said calvinism bad sowing in good go watch my movie let's bow our heads and have a word of prayer dear lord thank you so much for the chance to preach tonight lord and and lord thank you so much for raising up a church in my hometown i love this church i love sacramento i i'm always moved and nostalgic when i come here i love my family i love my parents i love my siblings it's a blessing to be here and uh thank you lord for pastor jimenez uh being a light in this city and and preaching the gospel and being faithful and lord god i just pray that this church would continue to thrive i hope that this church would never get calvinist or start sitting back and thinking it's all predetermined lord i i wish that they would just always believe that the sky's the limit of how many people we can get saved and and that's what i believe and lord god thank you for the opportunity for me to preach in my hometown without being shoved off a cliff as they tried to do to you when you preached in your hometown lord i pray you'd bless this whole conference lord use it in a powerful way and in jesus name we pray amen