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And what I would say is that you're going to attract people that kind of fit your personality or who you are. And I'm just saying that, Jeff, the attractive people that just weren't that good. Gideon attracted people that actually were good. And the same is true when you look at churches in 2024, that, you know what, if you find pastors that are good men and are serving God, you know what, they're going to attract to their church, they're going to attract good people. And this church is filled full of people that love God. It's filled full of people that read the Bible, that go soul winning, people that are trying to make changes in their life, get rid of the ungodly music, ungodly movies. But here's the thing, Jeff, he also had people that followed him, but they were vain men. And I would say that, you know what, anybody can get people to follow them, but there's a difference in the quality of the members that you have.