church yeah no I I just I was gonna ask you guys so what what uh what brought
you guys out here are you serious yeah serious did what why is that it's their
property oh really are you with them well I came here to do some are you with
I came here what's a cult what's a cult what are you with this call are you or
not what was that what are you talking to you if you want to answer questions
get the cow ask questions or answer I said answer my question are you with the
cult are you name calling yeah why is that I want to are you part of a cult
you this seems like a cult man you know what I asked you a question you wouldn't
answer it so I'm not answering your question this seems kind of hateful this
seems kind of hate are you a Nazi because these people are Nazis they're
Nazis are not really really you want to see video oh they're Nazis when do you
want to see a video wow you're so hateful hate hate hate hate group seems
like you're part of the hate group so why do you guys come to the church it
seems like you're as big as fans you guys travel and see that they love
Anderson look how much they love
Nazis what's a Nazi so so you're not a Christian but you know what it means to
be a Christian so you drove you drove three hours you hate Steven Anderson so
much you drove hours to get here you must be miserable huh oh you guys want
you want the children to yourselves isn't that right she got the blowhorn
she's got the blowhorn watch out she knows she goes to church psych she's
never been to church in her life oh my protest is failing my protest is failing
I know look they got a protest of two they got a protest of two what a big success look at me
oh they'll be out of here they'll be bored soon these are nice people I just want to love them
I just want to give them a hug right now and cry all you have to do is preach them the gospel man
I mean they're just ready to get saved
so I'm here at steadfast Baptist with pastor Jonathan Shelley now
why do people label you a hate group well that's just from a fundamental lack of
understanding about what hate even is the Bible tells us obviously to love a lot of things love
God love righteousness to love our spouse to love basically anything that's truthful and there is a
time and a place for hate the Bible says that there's a time to love and a time to hate but
really these two emotions are interchangeable for any subject that you're talking about if you say
you love children then you hate people that would abuse children so you're kind of simultaneously
when you love something you're hating something to truly love means that you're gonna truly hate
something if you truly love the truth then you're gonna hate lies if you love lies then you're gonna
hate truth so people that would say I don't hate anything that would mean that they don't love
anything so to truly love would mean you have a reciprocal motion of hate for the opposite of
whatever your affection or object of love is so when people say that I'm hateful it's just that
I have really strong views that are in the opposite category for them so if I love children and they
love pedophiles well then I guess you know when I talk about loving children that's gonna sound
hateful to them whereas whenever I say something very hateful about a pedophile it's actually
because I'm loving children so again it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of what love and what
hate really is people that say they don't hate anything are just liars so when you say stuff
like that oftentimes they'll say but the Bible says to love your enemies can you explain that
sure I mean the Bible clearly is a very deep book and has a lot of different subjects that it brings
up but we have to balance the scripture too because there's no contradiction so while the
Bible clearly tells us that we're supposed to love our enemy it also tells us that we're supposed to
hate those that hate the Lord in the book of Psalms and in many places in the Bible so the
way that you balance these ideas is that you understand that an enemy can be someone that
just doesn't like you or does something wrong to you and the Bible doesn't give you license just to
hate people just because they're not nice to you or they do something wrong to you I think the
perfect example of understanding this is David because David loved Saul even though King Saul
did evil unto him and hurt him but David did not love Goliath because Goliath was an enemy of the
Lord and so he killed Goliath and he slew his head so obviously you couldn't say that David is
loving towards Goliath but David is a great man of love he certainly loved his neighbor he loved
his enemy King Saul and we should do the same we should love those who do us wrong but those who
hate God that's an obvious exception where we should not end up loving those people because
that would mean we hate God if you if you love God you can't also love his enemies at the same
time but we can love people that are just our own personal enemies and and give them grace and try
to hope that they'll be saved okay appreciate that so if okay so what do you personally believe
here at Steadfast Baptist that a person needs to do in order to have salvation and go to heaven
yes salvation is really simple in the Bible it's only believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and to
believe in Christ means not just you simply believe he's real or that he exists as a person
but it means you trust that his death burial and resurrection truly paid the sins of every single
person and that once accepting his free gift of salvation you would have eternal life this is what
it truly means to believe in Jesus if you think it's faith plus going to church being a good
person or anything else you're not really believing in Jesus you're still kind of hanging on and
believing in yourself so to be saved you have to fully change your belief which is the word
repent and and change from trusting in yourself or some kind of unbelief and putting a hundred
percent of your faith in Christ the moment someone does they have eternal life and they're saved
forever it's truly that simple but many people are too prideful to accept God's free gift yeah
I noticed that because anytime I post about free grace anywhere people will say that's dangerous
once saved only saved is a doctrine of the devil and they'll say that oh you're just giving people
a license to sin so you can't lose your salvation if I went out and killed somebody tomorrow by at
like say I got into a big altercation I ended up killing somebody am I still going to heaven well
it if you kill someone has no impact and if you're going to heaven or hell it depends on if you've
ever believed in Jesus prior to that or even post that the person who believes in Jesus Christ all
the sins are forgiven now obviously if you commit a horrible sin like murder God will make sure you
get punished very severely you're probably going to jail you can be killed yourself horrible things
are going to happen to you as a result of that murder but if you've already believed in the Lord
Jesus Christ you would not go to hell for that sin you would only suffer on earth for committing
such a grievous trespass okay and what is your proof of the Bible if I came up to you and say I
was some atheist and I said well what proof do you have that the Bible is real what would you say
well the Bible is a self-evident book in the sins that the Bible is its own proof the the
truths found in Scripture are so superior to anything else in the world it's true on every
subject and the Bible makes it clear when you put faith in Jesus Christ that he actually reveals
truth unto you and you can even see more clearly how the Bible is true but anything that we know
any knowledge that we have everything's based on Scripture whether that be mathematics science
emotions the Bible describes everything and anything you could ever think of ever dream of
and it's the only way to actually understand the world that we see today so when you see and read
the Bible it just becomes self-evident that it's true just like when you look at a tree and you
look at a fake tree you can tell a real tree from a fake tree instantly because it's self-evident of
its reality so in the same manner something that is in the Bible that's true is self-evident if I
were to say hey is this person more attractive than another person you instantly already know
in your mind who's more attractive because it's just objectively true and the thing is about the
Bible is it's objectively true everything in the scripture is always perfectly in line with reality
and truth and the Bible even tells us in Romans chapter number one that the invisible things of
him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made
so they're without excuse so in fact God himself is just evident through all of his creation but
specifically the Bible itself is the greatest book of all time no literature can compare to it and
once you put your faith in Jesus Christ he'll give you so much understanding and wisdom there's no
way you could ever doubt the Bible now what are your thoughts on women pastors you know you go to
a lot of these churches nowadays and they're just filled with women pastors what are your thoughts
on that well my personal opinion doesn't matter but the Bible clearly says that women aren't even
allowed to speak in church it says that there's to be silent and the Bible makes it abundantly
clear that the pastor is supposed to be the husband of one wife so it's just not a biblical
concept it's very clear in the scriptures it's really kind of a more modern phenomenon where
people are accepting women in the pastorate but it's nothing against women women are great and
they have a lot of skills that men don't have but their skills are more designed to be in the home
having children and and being a great wife and a great mother and I would never want to strip a
woman from her god-given role as being a submissive follower and try to put into her leadership
position she's not designed for that they're not as good at that as men are and so God has already
ordained it that men are the pastors men are to be the leaders and so I would never go to a church
that has a woman pastor so at what age were you when you decided you wanted to be a pastor and
you started to fully commit to it I think that decision wasn't necessarily just one moment in
time for me I would say the most crucial thought I would say the most crucial time when I kind of
thought like I want to become a pastor I think this is really serious is when we were about to
have our first child I ended up thinking about how this child was going to make a lot of decisions
based on my parenting on me being a father and the decisions I make and I didn't want my children
to make a lot of the mistakes that I made in my past or go down some of the same roads that I did
and so it really caused me to decide you know I need to take life seriously I need to take God
seriously and Christianity seriously and that kind of kick-started me on a journey to where I
started really studying the Bible and exploring and and realizing there wasn't a lot of great
churches out there anymore they were willing to stand on the truth of the Bible and it kind of
motivated me to say hey I'm willing if you know God could use me to help other people to go
soul-winning and to have a good church that they can go to I would be willing to do such a thing
and so I end up moving to faith forward and trained to be a pastor in 2016 that's awesome and so you
know God didn't speak to you in an audible voice like he did to Isaiah Saldivar and say look you're
gonna give me a hundred percent at the altar at the church after you just custom out well if you
want to hear God audibly speaking you can read the King James Bible out loud but apart from that you
know I don't believe God is just giving people these private messages and texting them and
calling them up or a lot of these people are just fake and phony of course I do believe that every
verse in the Bible can apply to us and that you can see the calling in the Bible and it says if
a man desired the office of a bishop he desired the good work and so I think that that is God
speaking to me and telling me hey this could be on the table for you but no apart from Scripture
God doesn't talk to me those people are crazy yeah because I did notice there's some certain people
that would always be like God told me this God spoke to me and I was always like okay like am
I not special enough or what's going on here why aren't you writing your own testament then if he's
talking to you audibly yeah I grew up in a church like that where everybody's hearing God talk to
them with all these private messages and I kind of wondered the same thing like am I not godly
enough or what's wrong with me why does God not want to talk to me but you know Jesus said
something in Luke chapter 4 verse 4 that man doth not live by bread alone but by every word of God
well if God truly spoke to you then I need that word because the Bible says I need every word of
God and I don't just need the one he gave you I need every single person that God's ever spoken
to I need them to all write it down because I need every single word that becomes impractical
pretty pretty quickly and you realize that that's not a true statement God is efficient he can
communicate to every single person for all time in his one singular revelation of Scripture and
that's actually more powerful than having to give everybody all these private messages and constant
communications and people are wondering if God really spoke to them or not no no we already know
he did the Bible and we always know it's right okay and okay this is the last question I promise
who are some pastors that you listen to that inspired you and that helped you you know when
you're just coming up to be a pastor and just in your Christian life my the one who ordained me
pastor Stephen Anderson is someone that I listen to hundreds and hundreds of his sermons I went to
church he's probably one of the greatest preachers of our generation very skilled orator he knows the
Bible really well he's memorized a ton of scripture and so I mean he's gonna motivate you do you think
do you think if he wouldn't have been a pastor he could have been a comedian he's definitely funny
at times I don't think he would have been a comedian because I think that he would desire
he would have probably just been more successful in other business ventures personally but again I
think if he put as much effort and energy into Christianity as into being a comedian yeah he'd
probably be a pretty good comedian although he'd probably get canceled pretty quickly since he's
pretty based yeah okay do you want to name a couple more if you can think of them yeah pastor
Roger Menes a very Baptist Church probably one of the greatest pastors ever great preacher every
time he preaches it just makes me feel like I need to improve on my own preaching and I've got
a lot of other great friends pastor Bruce Mejia a First Works Baptist Church really good preacher
pastor Aaron Thompson of Sure Foundation Baptist Church really good friend of mine really enjoy
his sermons he's also larger than life I mean this guy's a giant you know we got pastor David
Burzins from stronghold Baptist Church great friend of mine pastor Bo Czarnsky of his churches in
Fresno California then we also have pastor Joe Jones shield of faith Baptist Church I'm sure
I'm forgetting some but all of my nose I know who you're forgetting Jason Robinson yeah pastor
Jason Robinson Mountain Baptist Church so all these guys are men that love the Bible they've
memorized tons of scripture they're really faithful soul winners and and you should check
them out if you have a chance to go to their church yeah yeah guys go check them out and
thank you so much yeah thanks for the interview all right so right now I'm here with Dylan and
Dylan how long have you been going to steadfast Baptist I moved here in August of 2020 and what
made you come here versus all these other churches because there's so many well I really loved the
new independent fundamental Baptist movement so I was already a part of a new IFB Church in
Vancouver Washington at the time Sure Foundation Baptist Church but pastor Shelley had a lot of
work that he needed help with and asked me to come work for him so that's why I moved here and
are you enjoying it so far absolutely steadfast Baptist Church in my opinion is the best church
in Texas did it scare you when you first saw the protesters no not at all it's something that Jesus
warned us about that you know if the world hated him they're gonna hate us as well and so honestly
it was actually reassuring to know that we were preaching the truth to see the world's hatred for
us and what do you personally think a person needs to do to go to heaven simple the Bible
says believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved a lot of people don't understand
what believe means or to have faith when they think about having faith what they mean is being
faithful having good works their whole life continuing to do what's right but really what
it is it means to trust to trust that everything that Jesus did for you on the cross is 100%
sufficient to take you to heaven not the things that we do otherwise would be trusting in ourselves
so if I said hey I'm going to heaven because I'm a really good guy because I always do what's right
I help old ladies cross the street I save cats out of trees I feed him sandwiches to the homeless
I give out free Christian tattoos what am I doing I'm trusting in myself to save me no none of that
can save you only putting your faith in what Jesus did for you on the cross and why do you think so
many people refuse to accept that and they say that that's dangerous that grace that free grace
is dangerous why do you think that it's the pride in man's heart man wants to glorify himself and
man wants to say that I have attained my way to heaven I've done something good that's why in
Matthew chapter 7 these men are saying Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name
cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works they're saying we've done all
these great things but Jesus said hey I never knew you and it wasn't because they didn't put their
faith in them it was because they were trusting in their works to save them if they would have
put their faith in Jesus Christ then they would have been saved yeah exactly that's every false
prophets favorite verse for some reason and I was gonna say you know when you tell these people it's
free and there's nothing you can do to earn it they only say oh so you're just telling me I can
sin however I want I have a license to sin now do you notice that and why do you think that is well
what's funny about that statement is no one ever needed a license to start sinning anyways all of
humanity is sinful okay we all sin every single day the difference is we believe that after
you're saved God will punish you on this earth for your sin whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth so if we sin after we're saved God will punish us on this
earth for example if a man goes out and commits adultery God could take away his money his health
his wife his house his car his job anything even his family but what what we believe is that the
unsaved is punished for their sins in hell so it's just the difference of location of judgment
you're saved you're judged for your sins here if you're unsaved you're judged for your sins in hell
so do you think a saved person can lose their salvation absolutely not it's impossible yeah
and you know what I notice when I ask a lot of other people that question it takes them
forever to explain it and they beat around the bush they can never just get straight to the
point and say yes or no no life these people don't understand the word eternal it means it
lasts forever so if you notice and most churches out there everybody's reading a different Bible
version such as the NIV the NLT the New King James the ESV not many people seem to be reading
the King James if you go into most of these churches what do you think about that so when
it comes down to it every single Christian falls into two categories King James only or original
manuscript only and again just like the question with salvation man wants to be having a
responsibility in their own salvation to have pride people that are original manuscript only
they believe that God's Word was inspired and preserved only in the original manuscripts but
that we've lost stuff in translation and so what they do is since we've lost stuff in translation
the pastor has to be able to tell the congregation oh well I speak Greek I speak Hebrew even though
they really don't and they get to be in God's place telling the congregation what the Bible
actually says because they'll just tell them what the Greek is supposedly supposed to be whereas if
you're King James only you actually have to submit yourself to the words that are in front of you on
the page and you have to submit yourself to God's Word if I am an original manuscript onlyist I can
get out of any passage in the Bible by saying oh that's not what the original said so it's just a
ploy for preachers to take the power into their own hands rather than submitting to Christ and you
know a lot of people I've heard this before they'll say oh if you know you just allow all
these different Bible versions there will be unity but does that make any sense but wouldn't
there be more unity if everybody was just King James yeah the Bible says that God's not the
author of confusion and how confusing is it to have hundreds of different Bible versions in the
same language that say different things that's not of God and when did you realize that all these
other Bible versions were false and just hey the King James is the true Word of God and that's what
I'm gonna stick to yeah I believe it was either 2013 or 2014 there was a great documentary called
New World Order Bible versions and it just gave a really good historical in-depth analysis of the
two lines of Scripture and the different sources from which they were translated and honestly just
the Spirit of God also just speaking to you by reading the Bible you could tell a clear
difference between the King James Bible and any other of these impersonations it's obvious what
was your name rich and how long have you been going to steadfast Baptist I've been going since
2021 February and where were you going to church before I wasn't I was brought up Catholic okay
and what made you make the switch I made the switch when I got saved and I found obviously
steadfast online and I was like this is the church for me came in got baptized to the whole
thing what was it that got you saved and made you change your mind it was me well my mom got me
saved she gave me the gospel kind of in her own way I usually credit her for my salvation but
ultimately it's probably a video by Pastor Anderson most likely by far my least favorite
doctrine Calvinism it's like lack of free will all that stuff it's really stupid well you have
free will to do everything you just can't believe on Christ it's really dumb the idea that a wicked
God would choose who goes to heaven and who goes to hell regardless of our choices eliminates sin
as having consequences really dumb and in your personal opinion what does a person need to do
to be saved believe on the Lord Jesus Christ now shall be saved and you know a lot of people don't
even know what it means to believe they'll say no you got to just be obedient follow like all
the commands what does it mean to believe it means that you put your faith and trust in Jesus
Christ and his finished work and that trust in that and it'll tip that he will take you to heaven
and that's it you know what I find funny when there's people that say oh it doesn't even talk
about the finished work of Jesus Jesus says I have glorified thee on the earth I have finished the
work which thou gave us to me to do it is finished now can a born-again Christian lose their
salvation absolutely not once you're in the father's hand can never get out no matter how
hard you try and when when there are protesters coming to the church showing up harassing people
what were your thoughts were you worried at all no not at all I mean we we live pretty safely
we're all strapped here too so honestly they're just wasting their time yeah because we don't
even really pay attention to them yeah all right well I appreciate I appreciate you for your time
I can't even talk