How's it going everyone? It's Ben Naim here with the YouTube channel Ben the Baptist and in this
video I wanted to respond to a short I saw about the pre-tribulation rapture. Here's the clip.
Here are two biblical texts of a pre-trib rapture in the same book. 1 Thessalonians 1
10 talks about how they are turned to God from idols, serving the living and the true God,
waiting for his son Jesus Christ from heaven whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who rescues us,
the one who rescues us himself. He delivers us from out of the coming wrath, that orge of God,
that strong displeasure towards sin. Jesus is coming to rescue us from this wrath which is the
tribulation period. So first of all it's worth mentioning that I don't know who this individual
is. I'm not attacking the person himself just the point being made in this particular video and what
I wanted to do is just look at the scriptures used in the clip and then I will clear up some confusion
about this topic. 1 Thessalonians 1 10 says and to wait for his son from heaven whom he raised from
the dead even Jesus which delivered us from the wrath to come. There's multiple ways to look at
this. I think he's likely primarily the apostle Paul here talking about hell. You know we're
delivered from the wrath to come after this life through the Lord Jesus Christ once we've believed
on him. Now I also think that it could apply to the wrath to come as it relates to Daniel's 70th
week which I'll talk about a little bit later. And then in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5 verse 9
we read, God did not appoint us to wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Pre-tribbers will often use this verse to prove their doctrine but I think it can also be applied
either to hell or God's wrath on this world which is yet to come. Now the main reason why
I felt like it was worth making a response video to this clip is because I think the clip makes a
common error that all pre-tribbers make and I'm not trying to pick on this particular content
creator. I don't know anything about the guy. I'm not sure who it is but I just want to point out
that pre-tribbers often conflate two distinct eschatological concepts. Now here's what I mean
by that. The tribulation is not God's wrath. The tribulation is not God's wrath. Joel 2 31 says,
the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and the terrible day
of the Lord come. The sun and moon are darkened directly before the day of the Lord according to
that passage right there and if you study other scriptures you'll conclude that the day of the
Lord is when God's wrath begins to be poured out on the world. So the question is when's the sun
and moon going to be darkened? Well the Lord Jesus Christ answers that for us in Matthew 24 when he
says, immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall
not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken. Now here's the point I'm trying to make. If the sun and moon are darkened after the
tribulation and the sun and moon being darkened corresponds to the day of the Lord which is the
start of God's wrath then the tribulation cannot be God's wrath because God's wrath does not begin
until after the tribulation because they are distinct events and for the record
verse 30 in this same chapter Jesus said and then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall see the son of man coming in the
clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Jesus returns after the tribulation. That folks is just
clear scripture that speaks for itself. You can't find anything remotely as clear to prove
the pre-trib position and so I had to mention it. Now additionally, Revelation 6 it says in verse 12
and I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal and lo there was a great earthquake and the sun
became black as sackcloth of hair and the moon became as blood. Does that not sound exactly like
what I read earlier in Joel 2 31 we're describing the same event but verse 17 it says for the great
day of his wrath is come present tense is come and who shall be able to stand so according to
the bible God's wrath does not come until the day of the Lord happens the rapture okay and it says
present tense is come what that means is everything that preceded this event was not
God's wrath because it had not come yet the tribulation is a period of 1260 days followed
by 75 days of great tribulation the wrath of the devil and that's consistent with what
revelation 12 12 tells us when it says for the devil has come down under you having great wrath
so of course I agree with what first thessalonians tells us God has not appointed us to wrath of
course but that's because the rapture happens after the tribulation but before God's wrath
because the tribulation is not God's wrath in fact revelation 12 12 attributes the tribulation
to the devil and not God which is why it says that it's the devil who has great wrath that he's about
to afflict on the world there at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week the final seven years before
the millennium but the point of this video is simple as I just wanted to show you that the
tribulation is not God's wrath and if this confusion can be cleared up for a lot of people
I do think they'll reconsider the pre-tribulation rapture position because it seems to hinge on this
idea that the tribulation is God's wrath when in fact those are two distinct events and I think I
showed that clearly using the bible look I get it the pre-trib rapture is a popular view a lot
of people believe it but I don't think it's biblical I don't think it's right and I think
that if people just understood that God's wrath and the tribulation period are different then it
would really help clear up the confusion on this and I think that a lot of folks would begin to
realize that they don't quite have the timing of the rapture right and so that's all I have
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