How's it going everyone? It's Ben Naim here with the YouTube channel Ben the Baptist
And I know I haven't done a video in a while
But I wanted to talk about the debate that Pastor Shelley just did with Sean Griffin
About once saved always saved it was moderated by
Brother Donnie over at standing for truth. I think he did a great job and
you know this debate it just exposes the folly of
These false prophets and how their position is untenable and antithetical to Scripture
There were several moments during the debate which by the way I'm not gonna get into who I think won because that's obvious
But there were several moments in this debate where Griffin simply did not answer the questions that were being asked of him
Of course he said stuff
But it's possible to say stuff and not actually address the question there were several yes-or-no questions
That were relayed to him. He had no response to them. He said stuff false prophets. They'll often say stuff
but many times
the stuff they're saying is meaningless and
Irrelevant and you'll see that in this debate if you watch it for yourself
Pastor Shelley confronted him with many scriptures including Romans 11 6 which clearly makes a distinction between
faith and works
Between grace and works and that you know salvation can't be by both and he didn't have much of an answer at all
Additionally in the cross-examination
He asked Griffin. Hey, are you saved?
And he said yeah, I'm saved from the lake of fire said well, could you end up going there?
Anyway, he said yes, so it begs the question. What are you saved from?
What exactly are you saved from if you can end up in hell?
Anyway, the word saved implies there's a finality to it, which is why
There's a D at the end and it's also why the Bible describes believers as those which are saved first Corinthians 1 18
It says believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved with a D at the end say from what hell
But if you're saved from hell and you end up in hell anyway, what exactly were you saved from?
That was the question posed to Griffin no answer he just rambled he appeals to
Rabbi Antichrist and I'm stealing that from pastor. They start appealing to these other false prophets and
Commentaries and pulling other verses out of context. It's frustrating and this was a frustrating livestream to listen to
You know as a saved believer to hear somebody
blaspheme Jesus Christ and even
You say well how do you blaspheme Jesus Christ by attacking the gospel by smirking and laughing at
The pastor as he's talking about eternal security
but beyond that the guy just devolved into
Just accusing pastor Shelley of blatant false garbage railing accusations
He accused him of advocating for the worship of bail
Complete fiction. He made it up on the spot because he knew he was losing badly
And you know when these false prophets are cornered, that's the kind of stuff
They resort to of course the usual. Oh you guys advocate sin
Our church is a very hard preaching church
All right, and we literally believe in Church discipline from 1st Corinthians 5 we've been
Persecuted we've had protesters now. We don't advocate sin
I think that's pretty clear to anybody with working eyes and ears, okay
But that's what they'll do
Oh you guys since you believe in eternal security you're advocating for sin the Apostle Paul dealt with that same false accusation as well
It's nothing new and Shawn Griffin tried that in this debate, but I think it fell on his face
It fell on his face completely. It didn't work
He you know, he could try it all he wants, but I don't think that it's a useful tactic
because you know on the other side we're appealing to so much scripture and
Doctrine and then you know
They're just coming at us with lies in response. So
That's all I have to say about that again frustrating
but at the same time
I think a debate like this can be useful for someone who maybe isn't sure what to believe yet. Perhaps they're in the middle and
when they see how
the heretics
Deal with the scriptures and how dishonest they are it might persuade them
Especially when they hear the arguments made by
Pastor Shelley it could persuade them to get right and get saved. So that's all I have for this video
Thank you for watching and I'll put a link to the debate in the description box below if you want to check it out for
yourself and
See how it all went down. God bless