Hey everybody, Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe,
Arizona.
I'm here with Anselm, and we are doing lesson 10 from the Homeric Greek book by Clyde Farr.
We're working through all of the exercises and just going through the book and explaining
everything.
You need to learn the vocabulary on your own at home, and then we're going to go through
everything else about the chapter.
The book is available for free, the old PDF, because the book's from 1920, so it's public
domain.
So we'll put a link to the PDF in the description, or you can buy a nicer, newer version on Amazon.
So today we're going to be learning some more verb tenses.
We're going to be working on the future and the aorist tenses.
So far we've been doing everything present tense and imperfect.
And remember imperfect was that past action that was not complete.
Past tense, ongoing, habitual, continual, whatever, that type of a nuance.
Well the aorist past tense is just a simple past.
And so it's just a more basic, simple, something happened.
That's called aorist.
And then of course future tense, that needs no explanation.
It's just future.
So now we've had present active indicative, future active indicative, aorist active indicative,
and imperfect active indicative in the previous lesson.
So let's talk about how to form these.
Let's start with future, because future is the easiest.
Future is really easy because you pretty much just add a sigma.
This probably looks identical to Leo, except just with a sigma added.
So that really makes it pretty easy to remember this thing right here.
Just instead of Leo, it's liso, lisis, et cetera.
Now some of these do get just a little bit trickier where, for example, you might have
something like this.
You might have like ago, right?
And if you just put an s in there, if you put a sigma it'd be like something like that.
That's kind of weird.
It's kind of ugly.
It doesn't really make sense.
So instead of being like agso or something, then basically the sigma kind of gets assimilated
into the gamma and it just becomes like agso.
I mean that's almost kind of like common sense.
It does make sense, yeah.
They're not really that hard.
A kappa and a sigma is just going to turn into a xi, which is just kind of common sense.
Same thing with something like this.
It's going to do the same thing, right?
And then in other situations, sometimes you'll have something like, say, pitho, which means
like I persuade.
Pretty important verb.
You know, something like this, again, this would be kind of a weird combination, right?
So it's just going to be something more like, you know, just piso.
You'll kind of just ditch the theta, kind of get built in.
So anyway, you'll kind of get a feel for these as you go.
I don't think it's really worth sitting and thinking too hard about it because I think
a lot of them you can just kind of guess.
They kind of just come naturally when you're actually in the real world, like with the
kappa sigma or, you know, something like this, like a p and a sigma is just going to go to
like something like that, right?
So a lot of this is just kind of common sense and you just kind of do it by feeling.
I think it's better just to learn them as you go.
Speaking of learning them as you go, with the vocabulary words from now on in the book,
so far when we learned a verb, we just learned like the first form Leo.
Well, now, whenever we learn a vocabulary word, it's going to give us three forms.
It's going to give us the present act of indicative.
Then it's going to give us the future active indicative.
And then it's going to give us the aorist active indicative.
So in the vocab, when we get a new verb, we're going to start getting it with these three.
Now ultimately it's going to give it to us with six words, which is called the six principal
parts of the verb.
But right now we're only worrying about three principal parts.
So the three principal parts are the present active indicative, future active indicative,
and aorist active indicative.
So again, when you learn a new verb, you'll be able to see a lot of these, how the sigma
ends up being incorporated.
Sometimes it's just easy.
You just add a sigma.
Other times, it'll be the changes that we just described.
So anyway, this is pretty easy.
I don't think you're going to have much trouble with this.
If it seems like there's an extra sigma or an extra sigma sound, it might not be a sigma,
it might be a xi or something, but there's a sigma sound that's been added, like ago
became oxo, then that's indicative of future.
Now similarly, over here with the aorist, we also have the sigma.
That's why it's nice to learn the future and the aorist at the same time.
Because the aorist and the future, they both have this in common, that the stem contains
a sigma added.
So it's the same idea, so it's good to learn both of these at the same time.
That's what connects these.
So again, the aorist is just a simple past, and just like with the imperfect, we have
the epsilon augment.
So everything that we talked about last lesson about augments, it's also going to apply to
the aorist.
And when we talked about how if it starts with a consonant like leo, you just add an
epsilon, other vowels get lengthened, the alphas, epsilons, and etas get lengthened
to the eta, the omicron gets lengthened to an omega, all that same stuff applies.
But you know, there's a difference here.
Instead of just being elion-les-eliot, now we have this sigma added into the stem that's
kind of a telltale for this aorist.
Also the endings are a little bit different, aren't they?
So we've got this alpha ending, as-e-amen-ate-on.
So let's kind of talk about the differences and similarities here between this and the
imperfect.
The imperfect was elion.
So now we have this alpha instead.
That's pretty different.
Here, if we remember that this has the alpha, this one just gets an s thrown on.
And that basically is similar to what we saw in the imperfect with l-e-s.
L-e-s would be like you were loosing, and then just you loosed is ellisas.
So this is an alpha instead of an epsilon.
And then we have of course the sigma in the stem.
So this is pretty similar.
Then when we get down to this one, ellia would have been imperfect.
So really the only difference here is just the sigma between imperfect and aorist.
Am I right?
Just trying to help you kind of wrap your mind around this.
Instead of just memorizing words, it's good to kind of think about similarities and differences
between the aorist and the present and the imperfect, right?
So do you remember what this would have been in imperfect, like you were loosing?
Eliomen.
Okay.
So here we've got the sigma being added, but then also the omen becomes amen.
So have you noticed that this aorist really loves the alpha?
So everything except this has the alpha.
So it loves the sigma, it loves the alpha.
So sa, sa, sa-men, sa-teh, sa-n.
So that's kind of a thing to watch for, a telltale thing.
This is the exception where it has the epsilon.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does.
It's got elli-sa, elli-sas, elli-seh, elli-sah-men, elli-sah-teh, and elli-sah-men.
And again, the accent is trying to be as far away from the end of the word as it can,
so it's always on the third from the last in this particular deal right here.
And then here, present tense would be a leotone for the dual form, both second and third person.
Future, it goes from leotone to lee-sah-tone.
And then here we've got elli-sah-tone.
So notice it's an ah here, right?
And then, because remember, you know, Eris loves that ah, loves that sigma and alpha.
And then here, elli-sah-tine for the third person dual.
And these are pretty similar to what we saw with the imperfect, but again, don't get a
headache about these.
In fact, let's just erase them.
I can tell they're bothering you, so let's just get rid of those, because they're not
in the exercises or anything.
But if you're more advanced and you want to learn the duals, you're definitely going to
read them in Homer, so it's good to know them.
Do you have any questions about any of this, or is this pretty straightforward?
It's pretty straightforward.
Yeah.
I think the best way to practice is just to see these in the wild.
So let's do the exercises, where we go from Greek into English, and we're going to see
a bunch of these Eris.
And here's what we're going to be watching out for.
We're going to be watching for the sigma, and then in most of these forms, we're going
to see that alpha, and then the future is going to look just like the present, except
with the s sound added, whether it's a sigma or whether it's one of those other variations.
Okay.
All right.
So now we're going to do our Greek to English exercises.
So number one, tis in och aristos thanon.
So it's a question like, tis in och aristos thanon?
So och, is it like och or?
No, no, och here, it means like by far.
Oh, from ocha?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's what that is.
Jeez.
Like by a lot, because this is a superlative right here.
Yeah.
So who were the, jeez.
Was this singular or plural?
It's a singular.
Who is, who was the, by far, noblest of the names?
Yeah.
This is by far the best of the Danians, right?
Which is another name for the Greeks, the Danaun or Greeks.
All right.
Number two, priamos megathimos inasen iliu.
Okay.
Awesome.
Priam.
Megathim.
And this is describing Priam.
Yeah.
So the, the big, big horror, big souls, great souls.
Brave.
Maybe like brave or courageous Priam.
Okay.
That's usually what that means.
Like the great spirit is talking about like bravery.
Okay.
So the brave Priam guarded, is it Iliath?
It's Troy.
Oh, it's Troy.
It's Ilios, but it's, what it's really referred to as Troy.
Okay.
So you could just translate Ilios as Troy.
Okay.
I would say that the courageous Priam, not so much guarded as anaso.
You know what it means?
Yeah.
Like what's anax?
Yeah.
It means to rule over.
Rule.
Exactly.
Okay.
So the great hearted or courageous Priam ruled Troy.
Yeah.
Is that imperfect or is that erist?
Inasen.
No.
That's imperfect.
No.
I'm kind of tricking you.
No, I'm kind of tricking you because it has the sigmas there, but it looks imperfect because
of the N instead of the on at the end.
I'm just messing.
I'm kind of messing with you, but yeah, it should be imperfect.
Okay.
Like was ruling, but it's really, you know, you could just say he ruled Troy.
It's ongoing.
So that's actually imperfect.
Right?
Okay.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Cause wouldn't it be if it were, if it were erist, it'd be on, on the end.
Cause that was the ending we learned for imperfect was the N ending.
Okay.
Don't the, um, um, Greeks actually, well, not the Greeks, uh, because it's future, um,
rule over.
No, let me start over.
Won't the brave Greeks rule over?
This is not rule over though.
Oh, protect in this case.
Nope.
AGO.
So AGO.
What is AGO?
Do you remember?
Yeah.
It's like lead or bring.
Yeah.
So I think in this case, bring is going to make more sense with the ekatonbas.
Bring the sacrifices, the many sacrifices to Chrysa.
Yeah.
So, so this, this word, um, AFTIS, the book defines it as again or a new, um, in reality
though, when you're reading, whether it's Iliad Odyssey, Homeric hymns, whatever, it
seems like more often than that, this usually ends up being like in turn.
That's usually what it ends up meaning.
Like in turn, that's what I've found it to mean more often, but the book says it's like
again, which, you know, those are both kind of a similar thing.
So it's like, are the brave Danians not going to bring, cause this is future, right?
Because AGO became OXO, are they not going to bring again, or in turn, many hekatoms
to Chrysi?
Yeah.
Are they not going to do that?
So that's, that's what the sentence means.
All right.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
Okay.
So there's your on ending.
That's what I was saying.
Like the N is an imperfect.
So that's Aorist.
Yeah.
Cause the pitho has become episa and then for the third person plural episan, right?
So pitho is what we're looking at here.
Pitho means like, I convince or I persuade, right?
The sharpshooter didn't.
Well hold on a second.
The sharpshooter is accusative.
So he can't be the subject.
You're right.
None of these are nominative.
There's nothing nominative here.
So what's the subject?
I get it.
Yeah.
So they.
Just they, exactly.
They did not, um, persuade the free shooter.
Yep.
Hmm.
So this is getting, these are all dative.
They all agree with one another dative of means.
So the means by which they would have persuaded him, what would they use to persuade him in
this case, not to persuade him.
They did not persuade him with.
With or by calling many hecatombs.
There's no calling though.
This is, this is kalos, the adjective, kala, kalon, okay.
So give me the whole sentence.
They did not, um, persuade the sharpshooter by many sacrifices or hecatombs.
And what kind of hecatombs?
Good.
Yeah, exactly.
So, so they did not persuade the sharpshooter by means of many beautiful sacrifices or many
good hecatombs or whatever.
So it's just saying like basically that they did all of these good sacrifices, but it did
not persuade the sharpshooter.
That's what I think they're getting at.
Okay.
Number five, now that looks like a question mark.
So I guess you could do, you know, you can do it as a question, obviously.
Are we not going to love the gods because they are good?
Exactly.
Are we not going to love the gods, you know, on account of the fact that they're good?
Number six, the na'i tefksusi thanaton priyamo en ilio.
The Greeks are going to, the Greeks are going to...
This is like do, make, perform, right?
So you're going to have to be a little creative how you translate this because it's like,
thanaton is the direct object of tefksusi.
So they are not going to, I mean, thanaton is death.
So how do you...
They're not going to, or they're going to, the Danians are going to like, to, you know,
wreak death.
They're going to like bring, you know, to translate it in English, you'd probably say
they're going to bring death.
That's what I thought, yeah.
Because literally it's like, they're going to do death.
They're going to make death.
They're going to perform death.
So yeah, I would say like that they will bring death.
They will bring death to Priam and Troy.
Exactly.
All right.
Efilisa thean thalasis al uch indane ekivolo simo.
I loved the goddess of the sea, but it did not please the sharpshooter in his heart.
Yeah, but it did not please the sharpshooter in his spirit.
Okay.
And then what do we got here?
I was just going to take a moment to point out the fact that basically this would normally
be Aetho, and this is one of those ones like Pytho where the Delta and the Sigma would
be weird.
So you just lose the Delta, just like you lost the Theta in Pytho, right?
So it's just Aesomen.
So we will sing to and persuade the gods.
Yeah, we will sing and we will persuade the gods.
Yeah, because this is from Aetho and this is from Pytho.
And you just go straight to the Sigma in those.
All right.
And then the last one on this page.
Ok, by far the noblest or best in Troy.
Yep.
So now I would go to the verb because you got this right.
By far the noblest, by far in Troy.
Now I'd go to the verb.
Yeah.
So Epon is they were telling, same?
Epon is irregular.
It just means said.
Yeah.
Said to Priam or told us to Priam.
Well what did they tell to Priam?
So those things.
Exactly.
So by far the noblest in Troy said those things to Priam.
To Priam.
But...
Don't let this knee trick you.
Yeah.
Is this singular or plural?
That's actually singular in this case.
It's singular.
That's a knee movable on the end.
Because if it were plural then it would be like on.
Yeah.
Or if it was errorist it'd be you'd expect on.
But this en ending is the third person singular imperfect ending and it just has this knee
movable tagged on the end.
Ok.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
So what's this last part then?
But he dishonored them and so did I.
Exactly.
By far the noblest in Troy said these things to Priam but he dishonored them.
All right.
Priam sent the host, the best or noblest host to the Argives.
Yeah.
So Priam was sending that best army, like that most excellent army upon the Argives
or basically he was sending it at them like to attack them.
Like you know Epp or Yeesen.
Like upon them basically because they're attacking them.
Is this errorist?
Because of the sea?
Yes.
Did I say it wrong?
So he sent.
You're right.
Did I say like was sending or something?
That was my mistake.
It's errorist because of the sea.
You're right.
So Priam sent.
Ok.
Yeah.
Sorry about that.
So yeah Priam sent that greatest army upon the Argives.
All right.
Number eleven.
The Danians went again into Troy but they didn't
pursue Epp or Priam.
Yep.
Got it.
And then number twelve.
We will sing.
So this part this might trip you up a little bit but Ie though will often take as a direct
object like a person and to sing that person is basically just to like sing their praises
or to sing about them or to like yeah that's all that is.
That's pretty common.
Like sing the man or sing that god or sing the heroes.
We would say in English like sing about the heroes or sing of the heroes.
They would just say sing the heroes.
Does that make sense?
So we will sing about the sharpshooter.
The sharpshooter by foreign nobles of the gods.
Yeah.
This is just an apposition with Eki Volon.
It's just we will sing the sharpshooter and it's not a relative clause of characteristic
in Greek but that's how we would probably translate it into English.
We'd probably say like the sharpshooter who is by far the greatest of the gods.
But in Greek you don't have to.
It's just in the same case because it matches these two things.
The Eki Volon Artistan.
And then starting from here.
That's from Oggo.
Because he led the Danians into Troy.
And this is.
This looks.
He was leading.
He was leading the Danians into Troy.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So now we're going to do the exercises from English into Greek.
There's no answer key in the book.
We're just doing these on the fly off the top of our heads.
So if we make any mistakes or anything let us know in the comments.
But we're going to do the best we can to try to catch each other's mistakes here.
So you're going to start with number one.
The great sold Achaeans will not persuade the free shooter with goodly hecatombs but
he will prepare evil death for the people.
But let's just let's break that down.
OK.
So just start by doing the great sold Achaeans will not persuade the free shooter.
Great sold Achaeans will not persuade the free shooter.
I'm going to be doing number two.
The noblest of the Achaeans went to Ilium but they did not persuade the soul of Prime.
All right.
So just let me know when you need more of that.
OK.
Not persuade.
The great sold Achaeans will not persuade the free shooter.
The great sold Achaeans will not persuade the free shooter with goodly hecatombs.
With goodly hecatombs.
It's going to be like a dative of means right.
Here I'm giving you the answers.
I shouldn't do that.
OK I'm going to start working on number four.
We will have many shining golden scepters.
Tell me when you're ready for the next part on yours.
Yeah.
Yes.
OK.
With many good.
But he will prepare evil death for the people.
OK.
But he will prepare evil death for the people.
OK.
Love you.
Maybe shining gold.
OK.
You ready for number three.
Yeah.
We will sing because the gods have led the people to Detroit or we will sing because
the gods led the people in Detroit.
And I'm going to just this one's a super tricky one that I'm just going to give you the principal
part for this one because it's because I lead the Argo OXO right.
But the third principal part I'm just going to write the third principal part right here.
This so you can at least build off that.
That's the third principal part of Argo.
So it's Argo OXO he got going.
OK.
Anyway.
I'm just giving you that little hint.
Let me read the whole sentence again.
OK.
So it's we will sing because the gods have led the people in Detroit.
OK.
Because the gods led the people in Detroit.
And here's that's since that's the first that's a first person singular the principal part
you're going to do third person plural.
Yeah.
Hint hint.
You know there's going to be.
Yeah.
I'll let you do it.
All right.
So let me get back to what I was doing here.
I don't really know where to put some of these accents.
OK.
So I'm doing number six Priam will not rule Ilium again for the Achaeans will prepare
evil death for him.
You need your sentence again.
No.
I think.
OK.
Do you want number five.
Did you not love.
Did you not.
This is past tense.
Did you not love the gods who have Olympian homes.
OK.
So that's a relative clause of characteristic.
Did you not love the gods.
Did you not.
What number are you on five.
Did you not love the gods who have Olympian home.
Who have Olympian home.
OK.
So he's not going to rule.
And we.
All right.
OK.
Number seven is did he speak to the beautiful goddess of the sea.
Did he speak to the beautiful goddess of the sea.
OK.
You ready for the next one.
Oh.
What are you on.
Yeah.
Did you do number seven.
Yeah.
Did he speak to the beautiful goddess of the sea.
Yeah.
That's it then.
OK.
Well let me just I have one left.
I have to do number eight.
So I'm going to just make a space here since I'm out of room a little bit over here.
OK.
So number eight is they will persuade the souls of the gods with many hecatombs.
So let's see.
They will persuade.
To be piece of sea.
Right.
You can correct me in real time since you're done and I'm doing this one.
They will persuade the souls.
Moose.
They will persuade the souls of the gods.
They own right.
So the gods with many hecatombs is going to be a dative of means right up by means of many hecatombs.
So.
Something like that.
They will persuade the souls.
They'll persuade the souls of the gods.
With many hecatombs right.
What's wrong with that.
What's bothering you.
We'll look at the Yoda subscript.
Isn't that a dative.
Isn't that a nice feminine dative plural.
What's what's bothering you.
Here I'll make you here I'll make you like it more.
This is going to make you like it a little bit more.
There you feel better now.
It's the same thing right.
What's bothering you.
I thought of the S ending.
You know all for Yoda's sigma.
Well that's because you're thinking Attic Greek.
This is Homeric.
Yeah.
You're right.
Yeah.
That is a thing in other dialects but this is Homeric for you.
OK.
Welcome to the world of Homeric Greek.
All right.
So let's back up and do the rest of these.
OK.
Number one.
The great soul the Kians will not persuade the free shooter with good the hecatombs but
he will prepare evil death to the people.
So.
OK.
I don't feel like we need this.
Yeah.
We don't need this you're right.
Yeah I think we should ditch that.
Yeah.
So.
They will not persuade.
OK.
The sharpshooter.
Like a tome vest.
Oh that's why you're so invested.
That's why you're so invested in that spelling because you wrote that.
OK.
Now it's all making sense.
I think that this is better.
For epic.
OK.
For the epic dialect.
All right.
OK.
But.
He.
Is this.
This must be he will prepare.
He will prepare evil death to the people.
OK.
Here's the problem.
That looks like a past ending.
That looks like an imperfect ending.
Oh.
Since we're future we want to use that ending.
Right.
Yeah.
Similar to the present.
Tefsi that.
Thanaton cocoon.
Lao.
For the people.
Yep.
Got it.
All right.
Number two.
The noblest of the Achaeans went to Ilium but they did not persuade the soul of Priam.
Aristi Achaeon.
Oh.
There's a breathing mark.
You were about to nail me on that.
The greatest of the Achaeans went into Troy.
Went to Troy.
But.
Ooh.
Episan.
They did not persuade the spirit of Priam.
Right.
Yeah.
Everything else look good.
Yep.
All right.
Number three.
We will sing because the gods have led the people into Troy.
Our first person ending in the Eris would be an alpha.
And then the third person plural would be the an, right?
Yeah.
But maybe because this one looks like an imperfect in the first.
Maybe it's going to look like an imperfect in the third.
That's something that we need to look up later.
Because I'm not 100% sure on that.
Because this feels better to me.
But then again, you know, I don't know.
We're going to have to look it up.
So led the people into Troy.
All right.
Let's go to number four.
We will have many shining golden scepters.
So, Exomen, Skiptra Pola Adla Achae Chrysha.
Yep.
Everything okay?
Yes.
Well, breathing mark.
But.
Oh yeah.
No big deal.
You're supposed to delight in nailing me on those.
All right.
Number five.
Did you not love the gods who have Olympian homes?
So, Oophilas, did you not love?
So you went, you went, you basically went imperfect.
Yeah.
So, Oophilas, right?
Well, we didn't really talk about this.
We didn't really talk about it in all fairness.
It's in the chapter though.
But it's, it's actually Ephilisas.
Oh, okay.
Ephilisas.
Yeah.
Ephilisas.
Okay.
Yeah.
Ooh, Ephilisas.
Did you not love the gods?
Okay.
But, but here, this isn't going to work because did you not love the gods?
Where's our who?
We need like who?
Yeah.
Yours.
Did I erase it or?
No.
I don't think you had it.
I forgot it.
Yeah.
So let's, let's put it right here.
So it's E?
Yeah.
That works.
Let's just put it in there first.
Perfect.
Yeah.
Which have Olympian, well, hold it.
Whoa there, buddy.
These look nominative if they have Olympian homes.
Yeah.
You're 100% right.
So we better change those too.
Equals.
Yep.
How's that?
Yep.
Better?
Much better.
Okay.
And then number six.
Let's read the English.
Priam will not rule Ilium again for the Achaeans will prepare evil death for him.
That's the for him.
Yep.
Sounds good to me.
Make sense?
Yep.
All right.
And then lastly, number seven.
Did he speak to the beautiful goddess of the sea?
All right.
So that's it for lesson 10.
We'll see you in lesson 11.