Hey everybody, Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona.
I just wanted to make a quick video about the latest modalist heretic that has come out of the woodwork.
And that's Victor Tay from the church at Punchbowl.
And this is a church that over the years has tried to portray itself as like-minded with us or as a part of our movement.
Let me just make this really clear. This church has never been a part of our movement.
They've taught weird doctrine since they started.
And yes, Victor Tay did attend our church for one year, like almost a decade ago.
But even when he was here, we had problems with him. I had to rebuke him many times.
And so I've never endorsed the church at Punchbowl. And I'm never going to.
You know, people have asked me about it through the years and I said,
Well, you know, here's a whole bunch of things about it that are wrong.
And here's a bunch of false doctrine they've taught.
But I don't know, you know, maybe it's the best church in your area. Go try it.
But this church has never been a part of our movement.
And now he's teaching this modalist heresy.
You know, that's a major deal breaker right there.
But just some of the things that he's taught over the years that clearly differentiate him from us,
is that, number one, his church is not even Baptist.
It's just called the church at Punchbowl.
Number two, he taught that alcohol is okay.
He teaches that divorce is okay in certain circumstances.
Pants on women are fine. No musical instruments allowed in the church.
No tithing. It's this non-denom, PowerPoint church.
And now he's teaching modalism.
And the list goes on and on where this guy is not like-minded with us.
He does not believe like us.
And over the years, people have constantly showed me just weird doctrine and false doctrine coming out of that church.
And listen, I listened to his entire recent sermon on these three are one.
And what he does is he just teaches modalism the entire time.
And then he just keeps calling it the Trinity.
Like, oh, well, you know, I believe that Jesus is God the Father because I believe in the Trinity.
And then he just goes on and on.
And throughout the sermon, it's just modalism, oneness theology coming across non-stop.
And not only that, but he says that the heretics that we threw out of our church,
Rick Martinez, Elliot Ray, Tyler Baker, and Russell Bops,
that they're doctrinally sound and that what they're teaching is correct.
And that's why all of those heretics now are sharing Victor Tay's sermon.
And, oh, it's so great. It's a perfect sermon.
Well, you know, I guess they finally found a church to go to,
except the bad news is it's on the other side of the world in Australia.
Well, here are just some major differences
because these guys are creating a lot of confusion by coming out with these videos
trying to make it sound like they still believe in the Trinity
or trying to make it sound like they believe like us.
You know, at least when Tyler Baker and Elliot Ray came out with their videos,
they just taught a hardcore oneness Pentecostalism.
They taught a hardcore modalism.
And so everybody could easily see their heretics.
Then Rick Martinez comes out and tries to polish the apple,
or rather polish the turd, and basically try to act like,
oh, I believe the same as Pastor Anderson.
You're a liar, Rick. You don't believe the same as me.
I've never believed in that garbage.
And so, you know, Rick Martinez tried to make it sound like,
oh, what we believe is not that different and whatever.
And then Victor Tay's sermon is like, oh, I'm kind of taking a moderate approach,
a middle view. Both people are right.
You know, both sides are right. This is garbage.
Wrong. Both sides are not right.
The Trinity is right, and modalism is a false doctrine.
But by trying to make it seem like they're taking a moderate approach,
they're not that far from the Trinity,
they're just making it seem like, oh, it's not a big deal.
It's just a small difference. It's just semantics.
A little difference in understanding.
No, no, no. There are some concrete, serious differences
between what we believe, those of us who believe in the Trinity,
and what those on the oneness side believe.
Now, again, people can have slightly different views on the Trinity,
or they might lean one way or lean the other,
but still believe in the Trinity.
And, you know, I'm not going to call that person a heretic.
Obviously, different people have different opinions
and different understandings about the Trinity.
But these people have gone all the way off the cliff
into oneness or modalism.
Let me just give you a few examples.
For example, these four heretics that were thrown out of our church
teach that there's no chain of command in the Godhead,
meaning that the Father does not have authority over the Son,
and that the Son does not submit himself or subject himself to the Father.
Why? Because modalism doesn't teach that,
because modalism teaches that they're the same person in two different modes.
So how could they have a different will,
or how could they have a chain of command?
Well, the Bible is so clear on that point.
That's a clear rejection of scripture,
because the Bible's crystal clear when Jesus said,
I came not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me,
not my will, but thine be done.
Or when it says in 1 Corinthians 15 that after the millennium,
Jesus Christ will deliver up to the kingdom to the Father,
and that he himself, the Son, will be subject unto the Father.
So you have scriptural evidence that Jesus was subject to the Father
before he came to this earth, while he was on this earth,
and even all the way into the future after the millennium.
So there is clearly a chain of command,
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Now this doesn't mean that they're not equal,
because they're all equally God.
My wife and I are equal in the sense that
we both have the same value, the same worth.
We both are equally important.
We play an equally important role.
There's no difference in value there.
And Jesus is every bit as much God as the Father is God,
or as the Holy Ghost is God.
They're all co-equal in that sense.
But they're not equal in the sense of no chain of command.
That's a misuse of equality there.
And they're not equal in the sense that they're identical.
My wife and I are not identical,
and there's a difference in the chain of command with my wife and I.
So you've got to be careful how you use these words.
But anyone who denies that there's a chain of command
between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
is denying clear scripture.
Another thing that sets apart these modalist oneness heretics
is their belief in a Jesus-only baptism.
Tyler Baker said it in his video at the end,
crystal clear.
He said,
Well, you know,
when I baptized the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,
I wasn't really sinning when I did that,
because I knew in my heart that that name is Jesus.
And when he went out of here to start his church in Jacksonville, Florida,
he was planning on going there and doing a Jesus-name-only baptism.
That's what he was going around telling people.
And he told people he was going to ease them into it
so he doesn't freak people out by saying,
I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,
and that name is Jesus.
So Jesus-name-only baptism,
that is the hallmark,
that is the number one distinctive of oneness Pentecostalism.
That's where the whole thing started back in 1913.
You know, at the Arroyo Seco campground,
when this doctrine even started,
when this movement even started in the 20th century,
obviously it was also an ancient heresy,
but when the oneness Pentecostal started in 1913,
it started over the issue of Jesus-name-only baptism.
And then not only that, but all four of these heretics,
Tyler, Rick, Elliot, and Russell Bops,
have all referred to our view of the Trinity as polytheistic.
Russell Bops just left a comment recently and said,
So, which of your three gods are you rebuking us by?
Are you rebuking us by God the Father,
God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit?
He said, which of your three gods?
Elliot Ray said it was polytheistic.
Tyler Baker said that it was similar to polytheism
and that the doctrine of the Trinity comes from polytheism.
And then I haven't heard it out of Rick's own mouth,
but Tyler said that Rick had said repeatedly
that the Trinity was polytheistic.
Look, these people are not even saved.
They're heretics.
When you're looking at the orthodox view of the Trinity,
when you're looking at the traditional view of the Trinity
that evangelicals everywhere believe,
that Baptists everywhere believe,
and saying that it's polytheistic,
when you're changing baptism to a Jesus-only baptism,
when you're teaching that there's no chain of command in the Godhead,
no authority structure in the Godhead,
you're oneness.
You're a Pentecostal.
You're a modalist, period.
And let me just be clear.
Not all Pentecostals believe in this oneness heresy.
In fact, the majority of Pentecostals reject it.
It's a branch within Pentecostalism known as oneness Pentecostalism.
And now Victor Tay has just put in his two cents
and said, oh yeah, these four guys are fine.
What they're teaching is fine.
And then he expounds a lot of modalism.
But then he's craftier with it because he says,
well, I still believe in the Trinity,
but let me define the Trinity for you.
Expresses modalism.
Expresses oneness Pentecostalism.
So look, there's a lot of confusion being thrown around out there
by people that are trying to muddy the waters here,
blur the distinctions.
Don't fall for it.
And if you find yourself falling for it,
go back and listen to my three sermons that I just preached
where I used a ton of Bible
and I put this stupid oneness doctrine to bed.
And so don't let these people
try to moderate their position now
and act like they're going to take a middle of the road position
and that they kind of believe both
and the scripture says both
and that's why it's a mystery and blah, blah, blah.
No, no, no.
There are some clear distinctions
between believing what the Bible says
and believing in this heresy.
And I just listed several clear distinctions.
And this Victor Tate,
don't get the idea that he was sent out of our church.
He was not sent out.
He was sent out of some other church in Australia,
never approved of his ministry.
This non-denominational alcohol is fine.
No tithing, no musical instruments.
I mean, that's just weird stuff.
And it's just been one thing after another with him
of always teaching something weird.
And he is not like our movement.
It's just a completely different style church,
completely different doctrine.
And now he's teaching modalism
and you can call a rose by any other name,
but it's still a rose.
So anyway, I'm just putting out this video
just to make it crystal clear where I stand
that Victor Tate is a heretic.
I want no fellowship with him
and I just don't want to be lumped in with him
in any way, shape or form.
And I'm certainly not in agreement with his teachings
on the Trinity.
They're false.
He's a modalist and these four heretics,
they are way off the cliff into oneness Pentecostalism
and no, we will not be welcoming them back into the fold
unless they just 180 degrees repent of this
and get 100% on board with the true teaching of the Trinity.
They're not going to do that
because I think it's pretty clear what they are.
They're Judases. They're liars.