Tyler Baker recently flipped out over Hebrews chapter 13 verse 8. Check it out for yourself. Here's the clip
They'll say no Jesus Christ because he's the same yesterday today and forever
Now the reason why he's angry is because of the fact that he thinks we can't use
Hebrews 13 8 which says Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever to
substantiate the claim that Jesus has always been the Son of God
Which is a very biblical doctrine the Bible says so in Daniel chapter 3 verse 25
So in Daniel chapter 3 verse 25
And I don't buy this garbage that Nebuchadnezzar didn't know he was looking at the Son of God when he was saving
Shadrach Meshach and Abednego from the fiery furnace. He knew who the God of the Hebrews was
He knew that that was the Son of God capital S capital G in the King James Bible
And if you don't think he was recognizing the Son of God you're buying into a doctrine that's propped up by the modern
perversions the NIV the NLT
Etc. Jesus Christ has always existed and he has always existed as the eternal
Son of God if that's not the case
Then why would God the Father be called God the Father from eternity past if he didn't have a son from eternity past
It doesn't make any logical sense
And the reason why Tyler Baker is railing so hard against this doctrine is because it disproves his oneness
Pentecostalism
He's screaming and he's yelling about Hebrews chapter 13 in this clip
Well the fact that Christ walked the earth during his earthly ministry
Just because he was manifest in the flesh does not negate that he always was and he always will be
from
Everlasting to everlasting therefore Baker's rant in this clip is completely nonsensical
It's stupid well Jesus was made flesh so obviously he changed yeah, but he always existed
That's the point. He existed before he was made flesh
He's from everlasting to everlasting the same yesterday and today and forever
And so you bet your rear end
I'm gonna use that scripture to prove the eternal sonship doctrine because it says that he's the same yesterday today and forever
Jesus appeared in the Old Testament over and over and over and over again if he didn't have a body
Who did Jacob wrestle with the Bible says Jacob wrestled with God that wasn't the father
He wrestled Jesus
Melchizedek who the Bible talks about in more detail in Hebrews chapter 7 was he not Jesus then
Jesus had a body in the Old Testament and that's because
Hebrews 13 8 is not a lie when it says I'm gonna repeat it one more time just because it triggers Baker
Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and
for ever
We find the eternal sonship in John chapter 17 verse 5 when the Bible says and now Oh Father
glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee
Before the world
was
We see a relationship between the father and the son that existed
Before the world was here's verse 24 of this same chapter. It says father
I will that they also whom thou hast given me be with me where I am that they may behold my glory
Which thou hast given me for thou hast
Love it to me before
The foundation of the world, but I thought Jesus was just the literal word before the foundation of the world
It sounds like here that he's a separate person and that he had a relationship with the father and that the father loved him
From eternity past here's Daniel chapter 3 verse 25. He answered and said lo. This is Nebuchadnezzar talking
I see four men loose walking in the midst of the fire and they have no hurt and the form of the fourth is
Like the Son of God he knew who he was seeing he was in the midst of the furnace
That's why it says like the Son of God
He's saving Shadrach Meshach and Abednego who refused to bow down to the idol set up by Nebuchadnezzar in
Babylon and
Right there capital s capital G the Son of God
appearing in the Old Testament
One of many appearances of
Jesus Christ in the Old Testament
Here's Hebrews 1 God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his son whom he hath appointed heir of all things
By whom also he made the world
How did God make the world through his son notice that the son is being?
Attributed as having a role in
Creation therefore the son must have been the son at
Creation he always has been the son
Proverbs 30 verse 4 who hath ascended up into heaven or descended who hath gathered the wind in his fists who hath bound the waters
In a garment who hath established all the ends of the earth
What is his name God the Father and what is his son's name?
God the Son Jesus Christ if thou canst tell
Every question that is being asked here in Proverbs 30 verse 4 can apply to either the father or the son the father ascended and descended
Moses interacted with him Jesus obviously ascended and descended and we see that the son is
Being referenced here Proverbs chapter 30 verse 4 that's obviously Old Testament the Son of God
Has always been the Son of God in Matthew chapter 12
The Bible says wherefore I say unto you all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men and
Whosoever speaketh the word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven him
But whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world neither in the world to come
Here we see a distinction between
Jesus and the Holy Ghost now, this is one of several passages that are
Inconvenient for oneness Pentecostals. Here's what they'll do to get out of it. Just as sure as
Dispensationalists will say well different dispensation as their get-out-of-jail-free card their
Intellectually dishonest argument to wiggle their way out of scriptures that are inconvenient for them these oneness
heretics do the same thing with passages like this through
Nestorianism the idea that Jesus had within himself two completely
separate natures
humanity and deity
I'm here to tell you Jesus was 100% man and
100% God at the same time. There's unity there
What is Tyler Baker and his Pentecostal friends teach that Jesus was man and God
But those two natures are completely separate one from another John chapter 6 verse 38 same
Situation for I came down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me Jesus
eschewed his own will in order to lay down his life for us to purchase our
Salvation and what does the Bible say right here not to do mine own will
Jesus said but the will of him that sent me. What does valiant say? What did the oneness heretics say?
Humanity versus deity. I mean that's their get-out-of-jail-free card just like the dipstick stew with dispensations all different dispensation different
Is it that doesn't count that's just for the Jews. You can't read the Olivet Discourse Matthew 24 mark 13 to 21
That's only for the Jews. Well, whenever you present something like this to the oneness people. What do you get Oh humanity versus deity
Matthew 20 verse 21 to 23 and he said unto her what wilt thou she sayeth unto him grant that these two my sons
May sit the one on thy right hand and the other on the left in thy kingdom
This is the mother of Zebedee's children and she's asking about whether or not her two sons can sit on each side of
The Lord Jesus Christ and
Jesus answers and says ye know not what ye ask are you able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of and be
Baptized with the baptism that I'm baptized with they say unto him we are able and he saith unto them
Ye shall drink indeed of my cup and be baptized with the baptism that I'm baptized with but to sit on my right hand and on
My left is not mine to give listen to this
But it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of
My father it's not his choice. There's a distinction being made
How did they get out of this one? Same thing? Well, that's his humanity talking. So you're telling me
just like I can choose to either walk in the flesh and fulfill the lust of the flesh or
walk in the spirit and
exhibit the fruits of the spirit that Jesus Christ had that same nature that he could if he wanted to
Choose to walk in the flesh and say things in the flesh or walk and do and say things in the spirit
Let me tell you something. Jesus is God. It's not that he said things quote in the flesh
He's God and when you separate his humanity and his deity to the point that oh, well, that's the man Jesus talking
That's not the deity of Christ talking
Do you understand how that's an attack on the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ?
The Trinity affirms the deity of Jesus because it says he is God
He was God. He always will be God and he has always
existed as
God that's the key
Oneness people will tell you well
He was the literal word and then the word became flesh in other words. He was just a figment of the Father's imagination
He
Was nothing more than an empty vessel for the Father to inhabit. That's what they're saying
It's an attack on the Lord Jesus Christ
John chapter 8 look at verse 17. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true
I am one that bear witness of myself and the father that sent me beareth witness of me. Oh
Humanity verse deity. How could you not see that? That doesn't make any sense
There's clearly a plurality of persons being expressed here
Jesus is saying a father that sent me beareth witness of me two distinct persons
They're the father and the son. There's no way around that unless you believe in this
Nestorianism which is garbage John
854 Jesus answered if I honor myself
My honor is nothing it is my father that honoreth me of whom ye say that he is
your God
Jesus doesn't honor himself the father honors him
Jesus doesn't love himself the father loves the son the son loves the father
The father loves the Holy Ghost the Holy Ghost loves Jesus Jesus loves the Holy Ghost
The Trinity is in perfect unity. It's a
Tri-unity God doesn't love himself
There's a plurality of persons within the Godhead and those three persons love each other
They honor each other which is why Jesus says right here if I honor myself my honor is
Nothing. What is that humanity only talking there?
John 5 look what the Bible says if I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true
There was another that beareth witness of me and I know that the witness which he witness of me is true
So I guess he's speaking here in the flesh. This is not God Jesus talking
This is the man Jesus only he sent unto John and he bear witness unto the truth
But I received not testimony from man, but these things I say that she might be saved
He was a burning and a shining light, but she were willing for a season to rejoice in his light
But I have greater witness than that of John for the works
Which the father hath given me to finish the same works that I do bear witness of me that the father
Had sent me more distinction look at verse 37 and the father himself which hath sent me hath born
witness of
Me you have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape
No, man has seen the father. Look what he says though. He says the father hath sent me
There's no way around these verses if you believe in oneness, there's a clear distinction
Jesus says I don't honor myself
Jesus says I bear witness of myself and there's another who bears witness of me. That's God the Father
Jesus says it's not
Mine to give to the mother of Zebedee's children when she asked him about her two sons
Sitting on his right hand and on his left hand, by the way, there's scores of other scriptures as well
But just with these I'm showing you right here. There's no way around it
But of course they have this get-out-of-jail-free card, they play these mental gymnastics with people
Oh the man versus deity. That's a
Heresy again, it's known as Nestorianism. Here's Revelation 5
it says and I beheld and lo in the midst of the throne of the four beasts and in the midst of the elders stood a
Lamb as it had been slain
Having seven horns and seven eyes
Which are the seven spirits of God sent forth into all the earth and he came and took the book out of the right hand
Of him that sat upon the throne. So here we are in heaven. That's the setting revelation chapter 5
God the Father is sitting on the throne the Lord Jesus Christ who's being referred to as the lamb here
He takes the book out of the right hand of the father two distinct persons right there
Oh, well, the lamb is not God
So there so then you're attacking the deity of Christ because the lamb is literally worshiped in the book of Revelation
So you can't sit there and tell me the lamb is not God
The lamb is God and it was the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world
To pay the penalty for our sins
Abraham said in Genesis 22 8 my son
God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering so they went both of them together
This is when Abraham offered up his son Isaac, but clearly Christ is being foreshadowed here
My question is if the lamb in Revelation was just the man Jesus
Then was the lamb here in Genesis 22 when the Bible says God will provide himself a lamb
Was that just the man Jesus as well if a man died for our sins on the cross?
Then no one is saved it was God who was nailed to that cross and was buried and rose again
Jesus Christ is God
yesterday today and forever
Genesis 22 is not foreshadowing the death of a man who had no deity at all
It's foreshadowing the death of the Messiah who was both God and man at the same time
Up to this point you've seen a whole bunch of scriptures and I've repeated ad nauseam how oneness heretics
Respond to these verses but I would be curious to see what they would say to this
Revelation 1 6 and have made us kings and priests unto God and his father
To him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen
God has a father
Jesus Christ has a father
You can't use your humanity versus deity get out of jail free card here for Revelation 1 6
Which one is the human then? Is it the father? Are you gonna deny that the father is God or is it God?
I mean it clearly just says right there God and his father which one is humanity, which one is deity
You can't answer the question because oneness is a failure of a doctrine. It's false
It's a lie Tyler Baker is a liar and a deceiver
That's all I have folks Tyler Baker can flip his lid about Hebrews chapter 13 verse 8 all he wants
It says what it says Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever
He has always been the son Proverbs chapter 30, which doesn't teach oneness, by the way
There's a distinction being made in that verse between the father and the son but Proverbs chapter 30 set refers to the son
That's Old Testament Daniel chapter 3 literally says that Nebuchadnezzar looked on the Son of God
Who saved Shadrach Meshach and Abednego from the fiery furnace?
Nestorianism doesn't work. It's just a failed attempt to slither your way out of
Inconvenient verses that debunk oneness it especially doesn't work with Revelation chapter 1 verse 6
You've got nothing
Valiant you fail you will always fail. Nobody likes you. You're a fraud. You're liars