Think we need to show this clip that's really spurred this show because this there's this clip from Todd Wagner and
Todd Wagner was the pastor of a church here in the area called watermark community church
And it's a non-denominational church pretty large church
He's recently stepped down because of pride whatever that means, but maybe it's because he had a few two
Keggers or something going on. Yeah, maybe that's his problem
But this guy he has a little like podcast that he had done in the past called
Real truth real quick. It's really just like real heresy real fast. I guess but
real real real heresy in real hurry, I guess but he
tries to articulate why he does not believe that drinking is a sin and
Somehow brings up drugs in the conversation. I mean, I can't even understand this whatsoever
but let's tee up this clip here and let's listen to a little bit here of
Todd explaining to us if drinking is a sin
Welcome to real truth real quick. My name is Rick Smith
I'm the director of digital ministries here at watermark Church in Dallas, Texas
I'm here with our senior pastor Todd Wagner. And so Todd the holidays are rolling around
They are people want to have a wine with their meal and the question is is it wrong for Christians to drink alcohol?
What if the holidays not rolling around they just want a long neck with their pizza, is it wrong?
Is that gonna send me to hell that near the question? Well, how about this? This is real truth real quick
Let me just answer this a few ways. First of all drunkenness. We know is wrong wine is a mocker
Strong drink is a brawler. Whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise that's Proverbs 20 verse 1
but I want to also read you some other stuff because again, we're trying to give a biblical take here and
And so I'll say this. All right first Timothy. Let me just read it to you
It says but the Spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will fall away
From the faith paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons by means of apocrisies of liars
Seated in their own consciousness with a branding iron men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods
Which God has created to be gratefully shared by those who believe and know the truth for everything created by God is good and
Nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude
For it is sanctified by means of the Word of God and prayer and so I wanted to say just based on that reading alone
I don't know how you could say that the way you can tell if somebody's a Christian or not is whether or not they drink
Alcohol what I would say is if you're not a person who whatever you do
Whatever you partake in doesn't sanctify it by the Word of God in prayer, whatever you're doing
You shouldn't do in fact, we're told to eat and drink to the glory of God
So if there's anything in your life that you're saying I've got to have that in order for my holiday meal
To be really a source of joy and pleasure to me
That's a problem
Because if you eat and drink like that food and that drink is the source of your joy or even worse is the source of your
Comfort then no you absolutely can't drink that stuff
But if on the other hand you sanctify it by the Word of God in prayer
Somebody said wait a minute Todd. Does that mean heroines? Okay, I would say yes
There is a way to use heroin sanctifying with the Word of God in prayer, by the way
All right
If you've ever had painkillers after surgery
You've used it in moderation under the administration of a doctor who cares about you to help minimize your pain
Which is a gift from God. All right to not go through that pain or we give you some forms of cocaine to help you be
Even you know
Away unaware when you're having surgery done to you so we can use every drug. Everything's given from God is good
We use it though for our own destruction, but let me just read you some script. Okay, let's just pause it for a second
We know that we're now to be drunk. This is where this guy just goes so crazy
I can't even believe that he's literally saying that
Heroin is a gift from God
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Because you know, it's interesting they're not King James only which is a huge problem and
He's basically saying everything instead of saying like every creature is good and nothing to refuse like the Bible actually says
He's suggesting is everything's good. So now, you know toxic waste. I mean literally
Excrement that comes out of your body is a gift from God. Well, you might as well consume that if we were serious
Thanks to me. I mean, what do you see from a logical respect? How's that different?
No, it's not. I mean everything would be fair game including
Poisons like that waste and here's the thing to pastor
Shelly is he claiming that people who would say alcohol is a sin, but that's a doctrine of devils. I
Guess just saying anything is actually poisonous or bad for you
I don't know that'll be I mean, what about the doctor who literally is just saying like don't eat this junk food or something
Is that a doc that's a doctrine of devils now, I mean, can we not take the Bible in context?
Is it not obvious that what we're talking about here is in the Old Testament. There was dietary restrictions and
in the New Testament
Jesus Christ has brought everyone back together and no more look Jew and Gentile
There's no this separation and those pictures of the Old Testament
Sacrifices of having this distinction between the Jew and the Gentile are now been broken so you can actually eat things like
Pork you could actually eat other type of animals that were considered unclean
Like rabbit or other different beasts of the field that you know weren't dividing the hoof and and you know
They weren't chewing the cud now we can actually eat them because we're sanctifying that creature
with prayer
But to go from a camel to cocaine, I mean
How
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