So if it were your kid, if it were your kid, would you get them vaccinated?
I don't think they'd need it.
So what would you say, home school or get the vaccine?
I don't think a kid needs to get it.
You know?
Yeah, yeah.
I think you'd have to get a vaccine for a kid, you know?
Meet scientist Justin Durant and regional business lead Brandon Shatt,
officials with pharma giant Johnson & Johnson.
Both men echo startling admissions about their own company's COVID vaccine
and their concerns on long-term repercussions for children.
It's a kid. We just don't do that.
Right.
Not something that's so unknown in terms of our projects down the road.
So would you say we don't know the repercussions of it?
I mean, how could you? There's nobody who's 30 years in that said,
hey, I got the vaccine, I don't have a third eyeball.
So what do you think this is about? Do you think it's about the money?
Politics, money.
Okay, so then if you think that babies don't need to get vaccinated,
then why do you think there's such a strong push for it?
Justin Durant, scientist at Johnson & Johnson, is clear on one thing.
Don't get this vaccine.
And he doesn't want you to know that he said that.
He even texted our journalist, reminding her to keep what he said secret,
saying if the public found out, he could get in mad trouble.
You should tell her to not get the Johnson & Johnson one.
Don't get the Johnson & Johnson one.
I didn't tell you no.
Okay.
I didn't tell you no.
Despite these doubts, Durant appears to embrace his company's role
in pushing policies that, quote,
inconvenience the unvaccinated into second-rate citizens.
The only way people are going to get vaccinated is if they don't get the vaccine.
So it's like if you're working for a new company, you've got to lose your funds.
I just believe you.
That's what I'm going to lie.
I mean, if you can't work, that's what I'm going to know.
Like a second-rate citizen, you can't do anything on normal citizens.
Inconvenience them to the point where it's like,
it's the odd way to let the odds go.
I'm not as good as fucking you.
And as to what the media is saying about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine?
So you said I shouldn't trust the media?
In no capacity, she's weak.
I need the medicine.
The government doesn't want to show that the darn vaccine is full of shit.
It needs to be a registry of the people who aren't vaccinated.
That's sounding very Germany.
I'm going to go door-to-door and stab everyone.
Oh, it's just your piece of shop.
Don't get the Johnson & Johnson.
I'm excited till you know.
She didn't want to take it because of her religious beliefs.
She was coerced into taking it.
They are not reporting because they want to show it on the map.
Do you think it's about the money?
It's about the money.
Why do you think there's such a strong push for it?
It's like that.
If you want to go to a bar, you need to come and go to food.
That's like inconvenience these people so much.
They're just like, I don't need this.
So that's what we need to do.
That's the method we're doing.
In the midst of the growing nationwide vaccine mandates,
including mandates for young students,
Duran leaves no question about this.
Do not take the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, he says.
Inconvenience, the unvaccinated, is something he says,
quote, we need to do.
You're almost what?
A second-rated citizen?
So then how do we punish them?
People what?
I think the vaccine is a good option.
So it's like, if you're working for a big company,
you're probably losing your job.
I just believe you.
That's what I'm gonna lie.
Right.
So if you're working for a big company,
and you're about to lose your job,
you're gonna be the person in the line.
Yeah.
So true.
So that's what we need.
That's smart.
That's what we need to do.
Yeah, that's what we need to do.
Counting the great heads,
and then not even, it's a baby, it's a man.
You know what I'm saying?
It's everyone, it's the baby.
Truly the baby vaccine, baby.
It's in your, you take,
especially if it's not going to school,
it's not going out, it's in your house.
It's not even gonna be fun.
So at what age do you think people should?
Once you go out, you have to go to preschool.
You're around kids, I don't know,
not even on the block with me.
So that's what you need to start with.
Okay, so then if you think
that babies don't need to get vaccinated,
then why do you think there's such a strong push for it?
You should tell her to not get the Johnson & Johnson one,
is what you're saying?
Don't get the Johnson & Johnson one.
I didn't tell you that.
Okay, okay.
But she doesn't necessarily need to because she's young.
Yeah.
This would be a bad idea.
Yeah.
Again, she should be just out of her civic community.
Make that much of a difference?
Yeah.
So what would you say, homeschool or get the vaccine?
I don't know.
I don't think a kid needs to get it.
It's just me.
Why not?
Because of the kid.
It's a f***ing kid.
You know?
Yeah.
It's a picture of a f***ing vaccine kid, you know?
It's just a kid.
You're not developed yet.
You have so much growth, you know?
When you're young, you can read about the coronavirus.
You can find it.
You shouldn't be getting it unless you can spread it to other people,
you know, because of the kid, you know?
Mm-hmm.
It's terrible.
What about it is terrible in your eyes?
It's the same concept of like, you know, do things to kids.
You know?
You can't put kids through certain things in your heart of death,
because that can't happen.
Right.
It's a kid.
You just don't do that.
Right.
It's not something that's so unknown in terms of other projects down the road.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So would you say we don't know the repercussions of it?
I mean, how could you?
There's nobody who's 30 years in that said,
hey, I had the vaccine.
I don't have a third eye wall.
So you're probably loving work right now at that.
I mean, you actually have to spread out.
It's like weird, because, you know, they ordered us to take the J&J vaccine,
so, you know, I mean, it's supposed to be effective, but like...
So you didn't take it?
I have no idea.
I took the J&J.
Oh, you took the...
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
So why is everyone leaning away from the Johnson & Johnson?
Right?
So it could be, in part, like an F-you.
I'm not going to get your vaccine if you could force me to do this.
Right.
It could be too, because you can still trust it, you know?
But never Johnson & Johnson.
Why, though?
60% thing in the blood clots.
Brandon Schadt goes on to explain his views
and that the problem boils down to a lack of transparency within J&J
for both political and financial reasons.
So what do you think this is about?
Do you think it's about the money?
The collection of everything.
What?
The collection of everything, I bet.
What do you mean?
Politics, money.
A lot of people trying to make the right decision,
but being stuck in their position of being influenced by somebody
to go to one side or the other.
No.
I don't think anybody's going to say anything, either,
after something like that, you know?
Why not?
People are private, you know?
Yeah.
What?
They're private?
I don't know if I trust people.
I don't know if I trust, like,
what the media tells us, you know?
No, you shouldn't.
So you said I shouldn't trust the media?
No, why the whole thing?
Right.
Why the whole thing?
Right.
What do you mean by that?
In no capacity, we have anything that we say.
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