Everyone, welcome to this live stream victory live.
The Bible says, what's over, overcome with the world.
I actually, let me go ahead and actually quote
that verse correctly here.
For whatsoever is born of God.
Overcome of the world and this is the victory to the overcome of the world even our faith and you know at the end of the day
We are on the winning side. That's why I call this stream victory live and I'm here with brother Cameron Hall
I'm here with pastor Dylan Oz. We're gonna be talking about bad influences. We're gonna be talking a little about
Nick Fuentes
Catholicism and some other things as well as they come up including a response to
Norm Diamante who made a video against us the last time we were on the air because we believe you have
to call in the name of the Lord to be saved as Romans 10 teaches and other
passages as well. But first of all, Pastor Ross, thanks for joining us. I
appreciate you being on the show tonight. Hey, thanks so much for having me. It's
good seeing you guys and I'm looking forward to this. And also Cameron Hall,
what's up Cameron? What's going on? Always fun to be on. Thanks for having me. And
Cameron, you're always bringing the controversy it seems. I get nuked off
YouTube when you're on the show. I blame Pastor Shelley for that one.
To be there because he was watching it and so just by proxy he got us banned, but
You know, here's the thing about Pastor Shelly. It's always a safe bet. If you want to blame someone to just blame him
I think a lot of people that weasel. Yeah, apparently apparently that's what everybody
Does is they just go straight for blaming him, you know red hot gets canceled. Nope Pastor Shelly's fall
You know, it's just everything is just his fault. So it's it's tough, you know, but
You know, he deals with it and I think at this point he's just accepted that that's his
His lot in life is everybody just blaming him and hating him for no reason. But anyway, that's not what we're talking about today
I'm sure that maybe some things like that will come up organically, but we're here with pastor
Oz as our special guest from anchor Baptist Church and
Pastor Oz it seems like from the outside looking at I don't attend the church every week, but I have visited things are going great up there
in Oklahoma City. Just talk a little about the healthier church because in fact some
people they love to bring up anchor like when when pastor Anderson rebukes hold fast they're
like oh what about anchor it's like anchors doing great okay it's it's super there's so much zeal
at the church you guys are doing awesome with the soul winning and the preaching and things like
that so why don't you talk a little about how your church is doing yeah I mean first I want to say
that I don't give a crap what anyone thinks
about Anchor Baptist Church.
As far as the haters,
that's not what I think about when I wake up.
But yeah, of course,
I believe our church is doing really well.
I think our church has a great spirit.
We're really unified.
And notably the salvation's,
God is greatly blessing the fruit of our hands here,
the work that we're doing.
We've had a couple of guys spend,
I think three or four whole months over in the Philippines.
and they did a lot of soul winning with Verity Baptist Church and with Steadfast Baptist Church
and they also did a lot of soul winning just individually not connected to any of those churches
and so between the soul winning efforts that they did on their own not connected to another church.
and all the soul winning efforts that we've done
in Oklahoma City and throughout different soul winning
marathons throughout the year.
We're at over 2,000 salvations for the year
which wildly exceeded my expectations for the first year.
And I'm just like, man, I don't know,
are we gonna ever be able to hit this the next decade?
But hey, God's able to do exceedingly abundant
above all that we ask or think.
And so God's definitely blessed.
We've had a lot of salvations and all glory to God for that.
Amen, that's that's great to hear and of course one of your church members is with us here brother
Cameron who is my regular co-host for this whenever we do these streams and Cameron
I would imagine you probably could echo, you know those sentiments there as a as a church member
Yeah, it's great. I mean we've had also a ton of visitors like first time people just kind of showing up
Families that are driving in from like
I mean, there's one specific claim that I'm thinking of that's like an hour and a half at least out. I think that are driving in
Pretty regularly for Sunday services and then like a visitor started coming with them
Which is awesome. He's been back more than once and so we're you know
We're reaching a lot of new people not only through soul winning obviously
But there's people finding the church kind of organically or through our soul winning and so that's awesome
like it's just it's not like you know we're stagnant or like nothing's going on we're growing and
we're growing in the right way you know what I mean it's like people that are zealous people that
are I mean they like people that show up and they're already like you know even this visiting
family I'm thinking the guy is just like amenning during the service and paying attention he's like
you know you could tell he has zeal and so it's just uh it's a lot of fun I love
kind of seeing the growth, especially from the satellite
to now being like an independent church.
Plus, our church kind of got started in quite a turbulent time,
probably like the hottest NIFB battle that's ever happened.
It's like right when I got ordained.
And so it was just crazy times, but the church's.
Well, it was almost like a split down the middle.
I mean, it was like 50%.
We went from like 55 people on one Sunday morning to like 20.
five or 22 ish the next week, but we have 32 members right now.
So thank the Lord for that.
Well, let's dive into one of the topics we wanted to discuss and it's about bad influences now
The Bible does tell us that we should seek
Counsel, you know Proverbs chapter 12 and verse 15 it says the way of a fool is right in his own eyes
But he that harkeneth unto counsel is wise
So that's one of the ways that we can derive wisdom is by getting counsel from other people of course iron sharpens iron a famous passage in
The book of Proverbs it also tells us in chapter 19 and verse 20 here counsel receive instruction
That thou mayest be wise and thy latter end in chapter 24
It says for by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war and in the multitude of counselors
there is safety and
So we need to try to find people that we can learn from that can influence us positively and make us better people
The problem is though the companion of fools
It's going to be destroyed, as the Bible says, and I think that in today's day and age because it's so rare
For people to actually have the right opinion on stuff and to actually view things, you know with
You know a modicum of truth through the lenses of truth
It can be hard to find people like that
and so I think you see people latch on to certain political personalities and
They are almost like ignoring or using cognitive dissonance to sort of ignore the fact that these people have very real and serious issues
And Pastor Oz, just to kind of start here, and you know, I put him on the thumbnail of this live stream
But Nick Fuentes, I mean that's kind of the big one and I'm gonna play a couple of clips that I'll
React to in a moment, but when it comes to bad influences
You know, I'm sure you agree that that Nick Fuentes is probably not the greatest influence out there in the world
In fact, I consider him a bad influence in many ways, but what's your reaction to people looking?
Toward him and and also people like him for for counsel
Yeah, so
My extent of knowledge with Nick Fuentes
I will admit is not you know years and years of following this guy
I've really only started
Researching and looking into his streams and kind of listening to him within the last month or two
And you know, before I absolutely destroy a lot of bad things about him, I at least want to be fair and say that I think there are some things that we could give him credit for.
You know, I do think he seems to be a pretty high IQ person.
You know, he's very articulate, he's got skill behind the camera, he seems to be well-educated,
and I think there's a lot of his views that I even would agree with politically as far
as having like an America-first nationalism type ideology, you know, we would agree that
we don't want Muslims immigrating into our country, you know, we would agree that not
Muslims and these third world countries are obviously harming our land and we
agree with wanting to get Jewish influence out of our government and out
of our institutions but here's the problem with a lot of Christians with a
lot of saved fundamental Baptists unfortunately some people they want to
put their political ideology above their allegiance to scripture and to
religion
And for me, and I think what it should be for all of us, is that the Bible should be, we should be more loyal to the Bible, and the Bible's doctrine and teaching should trump any political ideology that you have.
So even if Fuentes is right about some stuff, there's this one gigantic, massive, huge problem with him, and that is he is a Roman Catholic.
which means he is unsaved, which means he is a part of a pagan false religion
that I believe if someone fully is believing, the doctrines of,
that they will split hell wide open.
And so that's something that I don't think Christians should just excuse and be like, well, you know, it's cool that he's America first.
Oh, yeah, he's a Catholic, but hey, at least he's against, you know, immigration of Muslims.
It's like, no, we should be more loyal to the Bible than anything else.
We should have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.
I don't believe in ecumenicalism at all.
So that's my biggest problem with him is that he's a Catholic.
Cameron, do you have any thoughts?
My scope of knowledge on Nick Fuentes comes almost exclusively through Pastor Oz.
Funny enough, just like if we talk out soul-winning about him, I've listened to probably...
I mean, a grand total of 15 to 30 minutes of the guy in clips, right?
I see a lot of clips of him online.
He seems to have a lot of short content that gets clip that gets put out there, but it
seems to me from my limited amount of knowledge is that he kind of, he, he is this like face
just festering problem that's growing now,
which is this like trad culture,
which is not actually trad,
because trad culture is not the problem.
The quotes are what I'm saying is the problem.
It's trad culture, it's really Catholic culture
is taking a huge hold right now,
and it's coupled with,
and I'm not saying Nick Fuentes is this way,
but I'm saying that what I see a lot of people
that are sharing his stuff,
also tend to be these people that I see on X,
posting like,
actual racism, right? They're, they're just some of the most retarded views I've ever heard on all
kinds of different conspiracy theories. And it's almost like, and look, also Catholicism in general,
I don't want Catholicism.
Having any platform in America. It's a wicked false religion. It is not like, oh, well, at least they're Catholic
I mean like yeah, sure, Catholics can they're very easy to get saved
But like I don't want just like oh well
They're a little less bad of a false prophet because if we're looking at just bad false prophets
Like the Pope is probably one of the if not the worst in the world
So it's not like Catholicism gets a pass from me, but it's just this
All this kind of stemming back, what I'm getting at here
is that the little I've heard of him,
Some of the things he says are pretty based, right? Like some of the things it's like, okay, you're right
But here's the thing. I've also read mine comp and the first couple chapters. You're like, okay
Okay, and then it's just like while we are way off the rails now while we have gone way bad on application
We've gone. We've gone the wrong direction. We've made some good observations, right?
You've got an intelligent person
And then it just goes off the deep end and that's what I see with people like Nick Fuentes and him specifically
Yeah, I want to be fair in my criticism of him myself because I feel like this guy like you said pastor else
He's really smart
He's very articulate.
I think he does a great job in front of the camera, communicating, articulating his points.
And I think also when it comes to geopolitics, he knows his stuff on the Iran-Israel situation
Drop those bombs in Iran and you know, try to dismantle their nuclear program
He put out some really good content on that and look, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with even watching some of that stuff and
Learning more about what's going on in the Middle East and Israel. He certainly is right about the Jews
but
The issue is I think and this is what I worry about is that people
Just wholesale accept more than they should from personalities like this and are unable to chew the meat and spit out the bones as it were
And the reality is
Even though yes, Fuentes, we talked about some of the positives associated with this guy
There's some glaring issues. Yeah, enormous issues
Right and I'm gonna play some clips here
But do you, are you in agreement so far with what I said or do you have any disagreements?
It's okay if you disagree.
And one thing I want to say too is that the thing is with guys like Nick Fuentes, he says a lot of the right stuff,
but he's not necessarily believing his, he's not basing his beliefs off the Bible.
Like he's not explaining how, you know, the Jews aren't God's chosen people,
that it's really those who have trusted in Christ.
You know, he comes at this from a racist angle.
when it comes to the Jews. He comes at it from like a cultural angle, a philosophical angle,
a religious angle, and a racial angle. So he comes at it from multiple angles,
and some of those are not necessarily biblical. And so here's what I've noticed about
Fuentes is that Fuentes is way smarter than his listeners. Because there's this new phenomenon
that's happened in especially in the last five years. I've heard them call this word conspiratards.
It seems like the level of intelligence of the truth movement and conspiracy theorists
in the last five years has gone down dramatically.
Where I used to, if I ran into someone and they were like, hey man, Building 7, 9-11
was an inside job, I would think like, wow, you know, I'm speaking to someone who's intelligent
and they've done their research and this person desires truth and they're awake.
was an inside job, that it was a cover-up, that the official story is not correct.
But now when I hear that, I just think, okay, that sounds great, but I need to ask you a question.
What shape is the earth? Because unfortunately, conspiracy theorists now, I mean, especially on X,
I mean, most of the conspiracies online are complete and utter nonsense.
You know, the Bible says that the simple believe it every word.
And what's happening right now is that there's so much information on the internet, both good and bad.
People have lost the ability to critically think.
People have lost the ability to do real research, to read books, to go to primary sources.
And they just see a real, watch a stupid documentary, and then they think they're smart.
And they're not basing their beliefs on facts or information.
And so, you know, what's a perfect example? Is someone like Candace Owens?
You know, and it's funny enough Nick, Nick Fuentes does not like this woman at all. No, like she is one of the most
Insufferable retarded women and just comes up with the most base baseless conspiracy theorists
Flat earth or she denies the moon landing. She believes every conspiracy you could possibly think of
And so, unfortunately, a lot of his listeners are just like,
a stub my toe. That's the Jews.
Oh, we're having internet problems. That's the Jews.
Oh, you know, a Jew space alien flew down and shot Charlie Kirk out of the camera.
It's the Jews.
Idiots.
And so, yeah, when you don't preach things from a biblical perspective,
you're not going to keep people rooted and grounded in the truth.
So, sorry for that rant, but...
No, bring it on man. Do you you speak your mind tonight? You have the floor right speak your mind say whatever it is
That you want to say and certainly the chat room. We're on multiple platforms
We have to diversify where we stream now since I'm not allowed on YouTube
Yeah, but it does come up all on one source here on my end
But Jared is saying he is a raging racist repulsive human being
And sir, you know this other person or the same guy here. He says smash the idols. We don't want Catholicism or
Islam and neither did our founding fathers
Of course, we don't want that. I think when it comes to
Fuentes he calls himself a racist, so I don't think it's smearing him to go ahead and
Label him. I don't even know that like I actually did not know that. Oh, yeah
Like that he that he calls himself a racist. I'm not shocked
Yeah, it really yeah, it really has racism is back
Yeah, and here's the thing like I don't mind
You know, and I'll play devil's advocate here. I don't mind if people want to
How do I put this let's say they're very concerned about quote-unquote white issues or whatever
Obviously, I don't care about that kind of thing, but I'm just saying
If people want to be concerned about that and they take great pride in that kind of thing,
I don't believe it's biblical, I'm not endorsing it, but you know, it's not going to necessarily offend me.
I think the issue is when you get so hung up on race that it almost gets to the point that for you,
the goal is to create a white America instead of a Christian America.
That's where I think you've taken it too far because at that point you're allowing ethnicity to supersede
spiritual things
Because the reality here's the reality guys racism is nothing more than just somebody who's carnal
I mean wouldn't you guys agree?
Yeah, 100%
It's just that when you're carnal, you can't see beyond the physical and so you're racist.
And I just think that's what Fuentes is, is just he's a carnal guy.
So in his mind, the issue is less about spiritual problems and spiritual things, but it's more
just about like, wow, you know, blacks are ruining the country and we need to just make
the country white again.
which I don't agree with that.
Yeah, I don't agree with that either.
We need to preach against racism
because of the fact that it's not biblical.
Cause here's the thing,
I would believe anything that the Bible teaches,
but racism is just not biblical.
But what's interesting is like, I think about versus, you know, preach the word, be instant in-season, out-of-season,
reprove, review, exhort, with all-long suffering and doctrine.
It's just funny how we've gotten to a place in America where preaching against racism is a little bit out-of-season for some of the people on the right.
And you actually really piss people off by preaching biblical truth about race.
But I also want to say this.
is that even though I do not subscribe to this idea
that you're superior because of your skin color
or anything like that,
I do wanna say that I also don't think it's biblical
that we should just hate racists.
I don't think it's biblical that,
I think it's a brainwashing where it's like,
oh, if someone's a racist,
then they're just persona non grata,
they're unredeemable,
get the hell away from that type of a person.
But my desire for Nick Fuentes
is just that he would be saved.
Honestly, just like I want everyone to be saved. You know some of the most racist people on earth are jews
I want them to be saved
There's a lot of racist black people. I want them to be saved
so even though
I am strongly for calling out these ideas and combating them with the bible
I also don't think that we should just act like someone's reprobate because they're racist
I don't think that's a biblical. That's how the left is
Exactly, I feel like it's been taught right yeah if they identify you as a racist
That's like you just blaspheme the Holy Spirit basically you're just a rapper bait irredeemable. It's not even true
But I'm saying even if it is true. I think that that person is pray for that person
love that person, try to get that person saved and try to get them to the Holy Spirit and the scriptures to teach them.
But I don't think you should hate someone because they're racist.
Well, again, I just think that if you're a victim of racism, stop crying and just, you know, get some character,
be able to endure some hardness in your life.
Being a victim of racism is not like you've been a concentration camp victim or something, because someone said something mean to you.
Because it's like, you know, when I was a young child,
I lived in California until 2010, so until I was 13, and where I lived, I was the minority, big time.
And you better believe that I've been on the receiving end of racism in my life. No doubt about that.
But you know, I just think that people staying in a perpetual victim mentality...
is stupid and it's hurting themselves.
And people just wanna make excuses for their situation
because it makes them feel better about themselves.
So instead of looking at themselves and saying like,
man, I have no character, I can't hold a job,
I'm violent, I do drugs, I do alcohol,
I don't know how to put a belt on,
they'll say, well, white people.
It's like, that's stupid.
Exactly.
Well, there's a look.
At the end of the day, what are we doing?
We're just being well balanced here on this stream.
You know, we're not gonna go as far as the left does where they obsess over this issue
And it's like as soon as they falsely accuse somebody because like you said it's usually not even true
But as soon as they accuse somebody being a racist
They're just irredeemable trash that you need to stay far away from but then on the other side
We're not going to react to the left by actually becoming racist and believing that the way to fix America is by making it more white
No, the way to fix America is to make it more
Christian we need to make this country Christian again. I don't give a crap what the color is
I don't care what color people are it doesn't matter to me
I want them to be Bible believing Christians who share my values and we can and you know
I want us to have ideological continuity in this country so we can all rally around the word of God not what color we all are
Well, I think people, I think a problem that people run into when we, when we start talking about racism is that I, I think there are, there are absolutely people that will look at a skin color, true racist, where they'll look at someone's skin color and believe that they are inferior based on
the concept of race, which the Bible never even says exists, right?
We're all of one blood in Christ Jesus exactly that that is one aspect, but I think that some people
Who would probably even consider themselves racist are actually hating the culture?
Not the color. I don't think this is all the time, but it goes to pastor
I was point about
Having some discernment with this and look neither neither of those even if they hate the color
It's not like they're a reprobate. They're just wrong. They're just carnal
But the thing is I think that you do have this this
concept in the world of color and culture.
Now, many times, there's overlap, okay?
Obviously, I'm not arguing with that,
that there is an overlap sometimes on like white,
I don't know what white culture would be,
I guess, trailer parks or something,
but like white color and white culture.
And then the same thing with black people, right?
There's a black color, and then in the United States,
you could very easily say there's a black
Culture if you don't think so come to the on cue right next to the church. You'll see it and so I'm just there and look
I can hate a culture. I can hate a culture of
Not being respectful of being disobedient and rebellious toward police of not having respect of your elders
But that's just a culture that anyone could be a part of that's not a certain color
of people. And I think that it's okay. I think sometimes people get this weird dichotomy where
they're like, Oh, if I can't be racist, then I have to just love and accept all cultures. No,
no, no. That's not true. Love and accept all colors of people because the color of someone
does not matter. But I do not accept every culture. I do not want a multicultural America in the sense
of false gods. Look, different foods. Let's go bring it on. Multiculture is great. You have,
Different whatever you throw it in if it's not against the Bible
Hey bringing that culture right on in as soon as that culture starts to conflict with the Bible
we got to throw it out and
So that's kind of the I see a lot of times people are like oh well
So you're just saying if I've talked with people before that have these views that I realize that they're just hating the culture
And there they'll say something to the extent or to the line of like oh well
If I can't just be racist if you're saying racism is wrong then I just have to accept
You know people murdering I have to accept 13% of people doing 50 some a percent or no no no we reject that
Just hate that but not the color of the
Person you have to have like you had said been a nuance. We have to find a balance
We have to take a biblical stance and that's where it all comes back is
Everyone's flesh and their personal ideas or whatever you're gonna be wrong at some point unless you check yourself with the Bible
So we just need to default to looking at things the way the Bible looks at them
And that's that balanced view that we should
Really aim to get to as a country and that's certainly not coming from Nick Fuentes or Catholicism
Well, the Bible says there's no race. We're all of one blood. The Bible says the house of God is a house of prayer for all people.
Yes, black culture has severe issues, and I'm not gonna shy away from admitting that.
There are problems with violence and drugs and the destruction of the nuclear family unit.
But you know what? I'm not gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm gonna go
head first into those communities, give them the gospel of Christ,
and try to convince them to come to church
where they can hear the preaching of God's word and get cleaned up.
I mean, I get vastly more black people saved than white people.
Yes, me too.
I like that part of that culture.
They're super receptive.
I like the part that they're generally raised with some fear of God,
whereas like white adults that I run into,
it is rare for them to have a fear of God.
They are sometimes some of the most blasphemous just apathetic people you can run into and
Obviously, you got your black Hebrew Israelites or whatever
But generally they're very respectful especially for any of the kids like black kids or whatever out running around being crazy
But you show up this happened to me recently you show up to a group of kids
And you're like hey you guys want to hear how to go to heaven and they'll like sit down and listen to you and they're receptive to that
And so I like that part of that culture. That's great. Oh doubt about it. I
Love blacks
Let's highlight this comment and then we'll play a Fuentes clip here.
This person said, or this is Kenton here,
2025, Bahamas mission trip next week isn't a conspiracy theory.
It's not a theory, we're conspiring as a fact to go get people saved.
So it's a conspiracy fact.
We'll see you next week Kenton.
I hope you enjoy.
The mission trip as much as we're going to I want to offer a warning if you're watching with kids or family
what you're about to hear is
Kind of inappropriate
He's gonna use words that I don't like describing fornication
The way that it's about to be described here. He's not gonna go into great detail or anything
I'm just saying this is the part of the show that may not be
the most family-friendly, so I want to give a warning as we play this clip from Fuentes, so I think we gave Fuentes
some respect here, right? I mean, we talked about
where he's good, we talked about some of the issues that he does get, right? How articulate he is, etc. But
here's the problem with this guy.
He has the potential to very badly influence young men in this country,
especially on the issues of marriage and women.
And you know what?
This attitude that some young single guys have that all women are bad marriage is bad. It is a toxic attitude
It's not gonna help them get married
It's just gonna make them even more secluded from women and it's just gonna make them isolate themselves even more than they already are and
contribute to a society in which marriage and
Relationships between the two genders really suffering and so I want to play this clip right here that I think makes Nick Fuentes seem like a complete psycho
I'm going to go ahead and cue it up now.
Let's play it.
This is super weird.
And when we talk about bad influences, the reason why I believe Nick Fuentes is a bad
influence, Exhibit A. You listen to him, you say, oh, he's trolling.
You know what?
There's no excuse for this crap.
So I'm going to play it, and again, viewer discretion.
What people call me gay because I've never had a girlfriend.
I think of anything. If anything, it makes me less gay.
If anything, it makes me not gay. As opposed to less gay, not as any gay, but it makes me not gay.
Well, because think about it this way.
You know, a gay person, gay people do date girls all the time.
Real.
And when I said, on Elijah Shaper Show, and they said,
Have you ever been in a romantic relationship? Have you ever had sex with a girl?
And I said, no.
If you name search me on Twitter, as I always do, all these gay people are coming out and saying,
I've had more girlfriends than Nick, I've had sex with more girls than Nick.
So like I said last week, not only is not only is that thinking flawed, but actually it's the reverse that actually makes me really more
heterosexual than anybody if if we're being if we're really being honest
Never having a girlfriend never having sex with a woman
Really makes you more heterosexual because honestly
Dating women is gay
Having sex with women is gay
And having this is a six-second take and you know, it's really it's all gay
And if you want to know the truth the only really straight heterosexual position is to be in a sexual in-cell
It's it. So that's how there is being a mig-tow a sexual in-cell is
Really the straightest position that you can have
Having sex in itself is gay I think
I think that it's really a gay act to begin with.
Think about it this way.
What's gayer than being like, I need cuddles.
All right, I think that's enough.
I agree.
Ella's gay to have a wife.
As gay means happy and there you go.
So there's the Bible's take.
Rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
Let her breath satisfy thee at all times.
It brings happiness.
There you go.
So stupid I
Mean folks
That is the most bizarre
absurd
Weird crap that I've ever heard like this guy
like I mean as a single guy that probably preaches really well but as a
married guy it's like bro that sucks like don't get like yeah if you're if
you're some incel yeah sure oh bro it's so gay to have a girlfriend's like alright
dude like I have a good life I guess enjoy that
It sounds like something that a freak would say, to be honest with you, and it definitely raises questions about Fuentes.
And again, you know, it's very possible he's just trying to be inflammatory on purpose and just say outlandish and outrageous things on purpose, and I get that.
But to me, that's not an excuse. It was extremely weird. And so you have him saying this thing.
And it's like, this is a bad influence right here.
You're gonna have these guys that want to be edge lords
that listen to this and go, oh, maybe it is gay
to be with a woman.
It's like, this is retarded.
That needs to be studied.
Edge lordism, it's a disease of the mind,
especially amongst Gen Z, I've noticed.
The desire to be extremely over the top for shock value.
It's like these people that are saying like, you know,
should we be celebrating Charlie Kirk's death?
You know, should I be praying against my mom
because she died a Catholic and she's in hell now.
So she's a reprobate.
So should I hate my mother?
It's like, okay, Edge Ward.
But, but that's what this guy is. He's a major edge lord. And I mean, obviously bro started
live streaming since he's like 16 years old or something. Obviously, you know, a person of that
age is not of the maturity level to have the type of influence that he has. And to give him credit
does seem like he's getting more mature with age. But like you said, that's not an excuse. Even if
You still have to be accountable for what you say, and that is corrupt communication.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth.
I don't believe that's referring to cussing, but it sure is referring to whatever the hell
that just was.
Gross.
All right, let's move on to the next.
As Russell says, I'm so gay.
I guess.
Yeah.
It's a weird topic, so I don't want to belabor it. I just will say this obviously
We want men to be pure until they get married, and we don't want people committing fortification
That's super clear. We've all talked about that. So but but just that the idea that
You know it's gay to want to be with a woman is
It's just flat earth level stupidity, so there's no point in even
Really diving into it anymore. Let's move on to this clip here now
This is where Fuentes gets into some spiritual
Topics and one of the main reasons why we would say this guy is a bad influence not just the thing about
Marriage and he gives horrible advice on marriage and women
but additionally
His spiritual views are really really really bad
He is a devout Catholic. He is extremely, extremely radical with his Catholicism to the point that he would say he wants to create a Catholic state.
He wants the United States to be a Catholic state. He believes in Catholic nationalism more so than Christian nationalism.
Deportive.
And it's amazing to me. It's like way to just expose yourself as being ignorant of American history.
Wanted to bring us back to Catholicism when that's the very reason why this country was even founded to begin with.
But regardless of that, let's play his critique of Protestants. He brings up Baptists in this clip.
And I want to apologize ahead of time. I really don't like the music here and it's all, it's a horrible editing.
So you'll have to bear with me as I play this and gentlemen if you can't hear it
Let me know I'm not sure if I have to go back and check something every time I play a clip
So just let me know, but I'm gonna play it right now
The idea that the Baptists have it right there's divisions within Baptists, so which Baptists are gonna be saved
2,000 traditional ones, or the independent baptism, or this or that.
The problem with every Protestant sect is that they're all derivative.
They all came thousands of years after Christ.
They disagree on everything.
They really have no source of authority other than their own subjective interpretation of
Scripture.
How can anyone have any confidence in that?
They say, follow my sect to be saved.
It's like, really?
Where did your sect come from?
When was your sect founded? When was your church founded, unlike, I don't know, 50 years ago?
And by what authority do you say that you're correct?
Well, this is what the Bible says, according to whom?
According to me, according to Pastor Bob.
Why is he right? Well, the Holy Spirit made him right.
Really? Is the Holy Spirit made everybody else wrong?
The Holy Spirit made this type of Baptist wrong, and that particular Baptist church wrong,
and these Lutherans wrong, and these presidents wrong.
If you said to a Catholic, where does your authority come from?
We'd say Jesus Christ.
How do you know?
Because the founder of our church, Peter,
Jesus Christ gave him the keys to bind and loose sins
and said, I will build my church on you.
You are a rock.
Upon this rock, I will build my church.
That's where our authority comes from.
So, it's quite the opposite.
Now, you can say a lot of things about Catholicism
that you don't understand or maybe you don't like.
But at least there's a there's a
inherent logic there's self-contained logic
Where we have evaluated and created the biblical canon and the biblical canon says
Here's the account of Jesus Jesus picked into sorry that's enough
No, you don't appeal to Christ the Catholic Church
Literally rejects that and appeals rather to tradition
for matters of faith and practice.
Let's respond to this and chat room
if you want to respond as well,
whether you're on Facebook, on X or on Rumble,
I can highlight messages from.
Either one of those platforms, so go ahead and participate if you'd like but Pastor Ross just jump right in here
What's your response to that?
But here's the thing I'm not buying that the Catholic Church is all monolithic in their doctrine
Because I go out soul-winning I go and knock on people's doors and preach them the gospel
We invite them to church. We ask them if you were to die today. Are you 100% sure you'd go to heaven?
What do you believe it takes to get to heaven? And I have, I guarantee you, I've had way more
conversations with Catholics about Catholicism.
and about salvation than Nick Fuentes ever has.
You know, oh, you guys don't actually understand Catholicism.
Bro, I've literally talked to thousands and thousands
and thousands of Catholics, okay?
And to act like Catholics are all unified is ridiculous.
Catholics have wildly different takes and beliefs on things
because Catholics don't read the Bible.
and half of Catholics don't go to mass.
They're just literally just walking according
to the councils of their own mind
and just whatever opinions they see on the TV,
whatever's told to them through social media,
through people like Nick Fuentes.
You know, I would like to know,
I would like to hear from Nick Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes, how many times have you read the Bible
through cover to cover?
That's what I wanna know.
How many times have you read the Bible
through cover to cover?
I bet you it's even, not even once.
Okay, well, guess what independent fundamental Baptist pastors have read it scores of times cover to cover
Literally the Catholic Church is not really into reading the Bible
And in fact, they've been against that for pretty much all of their history
Because of the fact that when people actually read the Bible it destroys all of their doctrine
That's why you have the dark ages was the Catholic Church keeping the Bible away from the common man
That's why you had to have a guy like William Tyndale who had to
you know, illegally translate the Bible into English and ended up paying for it with his life
by being burned at the stake for translating the word of God because of verses like this. So here's
the, what's the big issue with Catholicism? If I just had to boil it down, what is the major issue
with Catholicism? It's this. They teach salvation wrong.
They teach works salvation. They teach a method of getting to heaven that will send people to an eternal
fiery
literal hell and
So, you know, if that's true, then that's that's all that matters right there and
Catholics will get mad at me for saying something like this
But I'm saying this because I love you and I don't want you to go to hell
But you know, how about verses like this?
in Galatians chapter number two, verse 16.
Paul really breaks it down nice and slow for people.
He makes it really clear what it takes to go to heaven.
It says, knowing that a man is not justified
by the works of the law.
But by the faith of Jesus Christ
Even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and not by the works of the law
For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified
I mean how many yes to like flip it over say it one way backwards
He's just saying over and over you're not going to be justified. You're not going to be made righteous
You're not gonna have your sins forgiven by the works of the law. What are the works of the law?
You know, not stealing, not taking the Lord's name in vain, not lusting after, you know,
other women or something like that, not killing, not doing all these things.
That's the works of the law. You know, the Bible says, for all have sinned and come short of the
glory of God. And because of that, for the wages of sin is death. We've sinned and what we deserve
as a punishment for our sin is hell. There's only one way to get to heaven and that's believing in
That does not mean you believe he exists. That doesn't mean like you just believe he exists.
It means that you're trusting that his sacrifice on the cross is the only thing that could pay for your salvation.
Not this mix of faith and works that Catholics believe in, because they will say they believe in Jesus.
They will say he's God. They will say he died on the cross. They will say he was buried, that he rose again from the dead.
All those things are true, but they'll say also, and I have to confess my sins to the priest.
And I have to take the Eucharist and I have to do Mass and I have to do all these different things.
But you know, Galatians chapter number five is a really scary verse for these people.
In verse four, the Bible says, Christ is become of no effect unto you,
whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace.
So Catholics have a decision to make. They cannot be saved by believing in Jesus and thinking they have to be a good person.
They have to completely reject works and put all of their faith in Christ. Otherwise, Christ's sacrifice is of none effect unto them.
It's not 99% Jesus, 1% you. It's 100% faith in Christ or burn in hell for all of eternity.
Now, here's the thing, Nick Fuentes probably doesn't know these verses because he hasn't read the Bible because he's a political guy,
but that's what pisses me off about Nick Fuentes, is he has these political views, some of them right, some of them wrong,
and then Christians listen to this guy, and then he blows off his mouth about religion, and they and their simplicity follow him.
You know, the other day he was like, man, you know, the problem in America...
It's not a political problem. It's not voting Republican. He's like, let me tell you the problem in America as a spiritual problem
And I'm thinking like yeah, he's right, but then he goes you want to fix America. It's not through the ballot box
It's through taking the Eucharist
And I was driving and I just about crashed my car in anger. It was like, you know hitting my horn
It's like I was so mad because you know what that's a false gospel
That will send people to hell. You're not saved by taking the Eucharist
You know their version of the Eucharist is blasphemous anyways because they think that they're literally eating the literal flesh of Jesus Christ and
Literally drinking his blood called transubstantiation
It's blasphemous. The church is wicked as hell. There is no salvation in the Catholic church.
Pope Francis is screaming for a drop of water on his tongue right now. He'll burn in hell for all of eternity.
Pope Leo, oh the first American Pope! Yeah, go America!
He's gonna burn in hell as well, and it's a shame and embarrassment for our country that there's an American Pope.
You know, I'd rather deport guys like Nick Fuentes than save black people.
That's how I feel about him.
What do you think Cameron you could jump right in I mean, I obviously I agree with that statement 100% my family
Not my mom directly, but my my grandma on my mom's side
Super-heavily Catholic so luckily my mom didn't subscribe to that
She's Church of Christ, which is like Catholic light basically, but I'm familiar with just that
it's kind of hard to describe.
It's like they think they're right
because they're in this giant echo chamber
because if you look at religions in the United States,
Catholicism is huge, right?
Look at religions across the world,
Catholicism is huge.
And because so many people believe it,
even though they never talk to one another
to make sure that what they're believing is right,
it's almost like they have this smugness of like,
Of course, we're right. We're Catholic. I mean, look at all these people that are Catholic. Look how pretty our
mass is. Look how
long and flowing the robes are. Look at the pope and how many people just love him.
But it's then it's like, yeah, but have you ever talked to literally your
other Catholic friend and see if you guys even believe the same thing because most times they don't.
They don't even know what they believe.
Someone in the chat, I think Maria was talking about when they debate you, they quote their saints, never the Bible.
They quote nothing.
When I run into Catholics, they say, they say, judge not.
Faith without words is dead. That's like the extent of Catholic knowledge.
and then you try to preach in the gospel and somehow they're smug enough to tell you oh you're wrong
even though they have no idea what the bible even says and this smugness is just like epitomized in
nick fuentes in that clip that we just saw you think the baptist have it right which ones i don't
maybe john the baptist had it right idiot maybe baptist do have it right which sect is right is
it the 2000 fundament or whatever uh it's just the ones that believe on the lord jesus christ
Beliveth is saved. Okay. You at this Catholic Church idea of like
We're so holy. We're so great. We can and I scripture great
You think that you can and I scripture you think that you're these huge proponents of the Bible
Which just flies in the face of fact then tell me why you don't read it
You can't quote it and you don't know what it says and you believe something different
than what the Bible teaches for salvation.
If you think you're so high and mighty,
because you guys wear the reason you even have the Bible,
funny, you don't even believe it.
Anyway, that's like some of the things I've said to my family,
probably in that same tone.
It's just so frustrating. It makes me mad.
And it makes me mad not because I'm mad at them.
It makes me mad because salvation is so easy.
that the only reason people don't get saved is because they don't want it.
Because they won't accept it and Catholicism is a wicked false religion that teaches people all this crap
that just ties up their, their, it's like, you know, a pair of earbuds when they used to be wired in your pocket
and the longer people live under the teaching of the Catholic Church,
it's like having that cable in your pocket and you're walking around and gets more and more tangled
And then someone like me or Pastor Oz or Ben shows up at the door to try to untangle that and you're going to be smug and tell us, oh, we gave you the Bible.
You don't even believe the Bible.
You can't even quote the Bible. You don't even know how to be saved telling me, oh, we gave you the Bible.
Catholicism makes me really mad. I've dealt with it for my whole life. It's always frustrated me.
Even before I was saved, it's just made me mad because even being unsaved, an unsaved person could look at Catholicism and discern that it's not.
what the Bible says. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
And then now we have people like Nick Fuentes. We have this huge pendulum swinging back,
which I'm happy for, on conservatism. But then these grifters, like Nick Fuentes,
are going to hijack it and make people start believing Catholicism.
It's just like, it makes me mad. Those are my thoughts.
Well, a major reason why people don't understand salvation is because of Catholicism, and that's, I think, one of the reasons why you get so pissed off.
Obviously, you hate every false way, and I get that, but...
you know, part of the the big-time confusion on salvation that emanates from the Catholics and
I think one of the reasons why I would say hey, you know, Fuentes a bad influence because he pushes Catholicism so hard
It's not just that he's a traditional or I should say it's not just that he calls himself a Catholic because that's just with the
The tradition of his family and he doesn't really know anything about it
He really does promote it big time and let's get some highlights from the chat room here.
Brastor Russell says the canon existed before Catholicism.
Amen.
They simply got on board with it since it was already accepted as canon.
Psalm 119, forever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven. It existed before man.
The preservation of God's word.
Where do you get your authority? Look at the view that they have of the Bible.
They have such a low view of Scripture.
where you sit here and you quote them a verse and it just rolls off their back because they don't
have a high view of scripture. They view man as being higher than scripture. Some guy in a dress
flinging water around in a service who's listening to people's deepest, darkest, grossest sins.
Oh yeah, come into this little dark booth with me and tell me all your sexual sins.
Which you know, it's funny make fun of the Baptist all you want faggots aren't allowed at our church
Yeah, I guess should be
Arrested and charged by the government given a lawful trial and shot in the back of the head you have faggots in your clergy
So who's more based?
Who's more based than pastor? Someone should tell Nick Fuentes that Catholicism is gay
He wants to think that having a girlfriend is so gay, bro
Catholicism is gay, bro. Your priests all are like single. They're all maybe that maybe that's why he thinks they're so base
They there are a bunch of dudes in dresses. You've got like alter boy. I mean like, okay
Well, who's gay? All right, it's the Catholic silver lining though when it comes to this because I don't think we should deny reality
There objectively is a huge, just resurgence of Catholicism.
Their church numbers are growing.
There is definitely like this weird comeback
to Catholicism right now.
It's evil, it's wicked.
But here's the silver lining is that.
I don't believe that a lot of people are going to Catholicism obviously because they're reading the Bible.
I mean, that's not why they're going to Catholicism because then they would just see all these places in Scripture.
You know, Jesus saying, call no man father.
First Timothy 3 saying that the qualifications of a bishop is that you must be the husband of one wife, right?
You know the Bible telling you that doctrines of devils are people that are you know telling you to abstain from meats
They would just see all these things in the Bible that contradict Catholicism hate telling you
Hey, you know when you fast don't be like the hypocrites that disfigure their faces
And then they're gonna put it across ash on their forehead to let everyone know and
They're fasting. Hey, don't just, you know, chant these prayers mindlessly. Here's a sample prayer. Here's how you should pray
Oh, let's just chant and repeat the Lord's prayer
There's all these things in the Bible obviously that contradict Catholicism because it's a false religion
Here's why I think people are going to the Catholic Church
Because of the fact like brother Cameron said it's more about a trad thing than it is about a religious thing
And that we could actually use to our advantage because of the fact that people are super hungry for conservative Christianity right now, which is Biblical Christianity.
People are super hungry for getting more fundamental.
more hardcore. And so people who are just simple and they haven't read the Bible,
they haven't been in church before, they look at the institution of the Catholic
Church as an institution that stands for traditional values and it kind of has
like this aura about it because it's old and they've got the beautiful
buildings and they've got the rituals and all that kind of stuff. That's why
people are attracted to it.
But I think a lot of these people like they're kind of on the pathway to truth
They want some conservatism and when we meet them at the door when we run into them as soul winners
And we actually show them the Bible. We actually show them the words of God. We actually say hey
Here's that living water. Here's that bread of life, you know, they eat it up and
People people love fundamental Baptist preaching right now
you know, Pastor Anderson is getting super popular on X and his, you know, Pastor Mejia on Instagram
is just reaching tons and tons of people because people are hungry for truth right now. We've been
fed lies for so long. And so even though Catholicism is kind of having a comeback, I'm not really
discouraged by that because of the fact that they're not like all diehard Catholics like Nick
and we could reach these people, and we do reach this. We turn Catholics into Christians
every single week. Yes. So if anything, we just have more opportunity to do that now.
And I think we're going to do that even more next week. We're going to turn more Catholics
into Christians next week at our Bahamas mission trip. But you're right, it's a backlash.
The resurgence of Catholicism, I would argue, is a backlash
from the
Depravity of our modern culture today and people want traditionalism and they want some sort of conservative value
So they think they're gonna find it at the Catholic Church
When in reality what we need to show them is in fact you can find that at your independent fundamental
Baptist church in town. Yeah, or you know the new IFP, right? Right? I mean everywhere I go with my family
I've got four daughters got my wife and me everywhere. I go
My daughters all wear skirts and dresses.
My wife obviously wears skirts and dresses.
And people see us all the time,
and they're just like, wow, you have such a beautiful family.
Wow, what a beautiful family.
Your girls are so beautiful.
And I don't think it's, you know,
because I'm the Aryan Super Race over here,
like Nick Fuentes thinks or whatever.
I think it's because people can just see
a straight-laced family, a conservative family,
and they want that so bad.
because today so many homes are broken.
Everyone's been divorced.
Everyone grew up with two, you know, sets of parents.
Everyone's family situation is jacked up.
Feminism is just destroying America.
Feminism is destroying good churches.
Feminism is the poisoning the mind of Christians
and Christian pastors.
And so like, we just need to be so hardcore
about what the Bible says right now and not be afraid
because I think there's people that really want that.
And there's plenty of options for people that are, you know, watered down, but I think there's a
lot of people right now that just want the truth. We need to give that to them.
This person says, the Eucharist is a beautiful tradition, though, for cannibals.
Wow. Yikes.
Let's see. This person says, I'm trying to find a good one here.
Nick Fuentes is definitely conspirator having a high IQ doesn't correlate to being just plain dumb
Sure, I mean, that's fair, you know, like you could be very intelligent and stupid
This person says one of the reasons Catholics take the word of man over the word of God is because they misunderstand this verse and second
Thessalonians chapter 2 and verse 15
Therefore brethren stand fast and hold the traditions which he had been taught whether by word or our epistle
They think that because word comes first it does supersedes a written epistle
Well, the epistle is the word of God, so I don't even understand the point
Yeah, I mean, there is positive traditions, and I don't think there's anything wrong with tradition so long as it does not clearly violate something in scripture.
You can't make up traditions that violate, you know, thou shalt not make any graven image.
Oh, it's our tradition. I'm looking this up right now. 1 Corinthians chapter 9.
It made me think about this in verse 20, the apostle Paul said,
And unto the Jews, I became a Jew that I might gain the Jews,
To them that are under the law as under the law,
That I might gain them that are under the law,
To them that are without law, as without law,
Being not without law to God,
But under the law to Christ that I might gain them that are without the law to the week became I as weak that I might gain the week I am made all things to all men that I might by all means save some so what is he saying he's saying like hey I'm willing to kind of go across the aisle and adopt someone's
culture and kind of get on their level to reach them for Christ.
And if he needs to be like a certain culture to do that, he'll do that.
If he needs to be like those that are without law, like Gentiles, he'll do that.
But he said, but not without law to Christ.
So he's not going to violate the Bible.
So we could have traditions.
You know, we have great traditions.
I think Christmas is a great tradition.
I think Thanksgiving is a wonderful tradition.
But we're not going to create traditions that violate Scripture.
You know, yeah, as long as they don't conflict with the word of God. Hey, I'm all for tradition
It's not like traditions a bad thing
But like you said it just can't conflict with our ultimate authority
Which is the Bible the King James Bible to be exact in English
That is what we appeal to for all matters of faith and practice and that is not what the Catholic Church appeals to
We brought it up earlier Pastor Oz you did hey
They want to brag so much about how they gave us the Bible supposedly.
They're the ones who are responsible for the persecution of families and the dark ages,
simply for owning their own version of the Scripture, for reading the Bible on their own
because of their just perverted doctrine that says that you can't understand the Bible on your own.
You need the church to interpret it for you.
They burned William Tyndale at the stake simply for translating it to a vernacular language
So the everyday person can have access to the word of God. These people were enemy number one when it comes to
blocking people from having the Bible and really the enemies of the word of God itself
Then they want to act like, oh, we gave it to you. No, no, no, no, you killed a bunch of people for reading it and translating it, actually.
There's a great documentary on that called The Preserved Bible. Everybody should check that out.
Yeah, and Nick Fuentes needs to educate himself about some American history because...
You know, the name of his show is America First and, you know, from a political perspective,
I agree with that. Sure. Yeah, I like that. 100%. I like American nationalism compared to
globalism, 100%. But, you know, when it comes to the religion that our country was founded on,
it was not Catholicism. Catholics were ostracized,
And we're not viewed as equal protection under the law when it comes to religion.
And one way you could verify this is by reading the original 13 colonies' state constitutions.
Because you know, you have the federal constitution, later you had those, the Bill of Rights that was ratified after the actual constitution.
That's where you get the First Amendment.
But the First Amendment is specifically talking about the federal government, because what's the first word of the First Amendment?
Congress.
Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion,
nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
I'm quoting that off the top of my head,
but I believe that's what it says word for word.
The First Amendment of the Constitution does what?
It's not an amendment that gives any rights.
It's actually an amendment that restricts someone.
It restricts the federal Congress from establishing a state religion.
England has the Church of England.
The Americans were saying, hey, we're not gonna have a church of America. The federal government is not allowed to make any law
establishing a certain religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The states had a lot more
specificity in their state constitutions because our government was founded under this idea of federalism,
which means the separation of powers between the federal government and the state government.
So I'm not going to read all of them, but for example, I got one pulled up here, the North Carolina State Constitution, which was ratified in 1776, which I like that year because I could show you tons of great stuff, you know, back when they were just the British colonies.
But I think this is cool because this is the U.S. This is 1776.
who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion or the divine authority
either of the old or new testaments or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the
freedom and safety of the state shall be capable of holding any office or place of or trust or
saying like, you have to be a normal Christian to be in power.
You cannot be a Catholic, you cannot be a Jew, you cannot be a Hindu, you cannot be a Muslim.
Because this was founded as a Christian nation by Christian people.
And so, you know, his idea of, we need a Catholic state to make America great again.
You know, that's going to create a hellhole that was called the Dark Ages.
And it's like, the whole reason that America was even founded was escaping the hellhole created by the stupid Catholic Church.
You know, that's what made our country so great. And he says, let's go back to Catholicism.
And by the way, for all the Baptist listening to this, I know some people really freak out with the word Protestant.
And they'll say, like, you know, Baptist are not Protestant, whatever.
I agree with you in a sense in the fact that, you know, we, but we base our beliefs 100%
on the Bible. We're not, you know, beholden to some counsel. We're not Lutherans. We're not
Episcopalians. We're not any of those nominations. But what what most people think when they hear
the word Protestant is just non-Catholic.
And if you just look up in the dictionary the word Protestants one of the definitions there just says like non-Catholic Christians
So don't get right on that
That's true, I want to highlight a comment and then we have a surprise
Lance a lot of Andrews says Pastor Oz
Greater than Nick Quintus
What a weasel. Oh look that might be true Pastor Oz, but here's the thing
Last time I checked, Nick Fuentes is not a transvestite.
At least he has that going for him.
Wow. Wow.
They killed people for trying to give us the Bible. Amen to that.
And we have a surprise entrant to tonight's podcast.
Is it Nick Fuentes? I'm just kidding.
Hey, honey badger!
Hey guys!
That's why I was cracking up as you were talking Pastor Oz because I just see honey badger show up on my
software here and I'm just
45 seconds out from getting nuked so
Point out the irony that you have a live stream about bad influences and you invite a bunch of low-character individuals on your show
So this is the most
Honey bad
Yeah, well, hey, you know what we have red hot red hot couldn't survive pastor Shelley
Yeah, can victory live survive? I don't know. He's such a he's such a bad influence that you never know
I think I think that's the reason why red hot was canceled because of the fact that
He's such a low character person as well as pastor Oz as well apparently if you're from Sacramento, but Pastor Shelley
I don't know if you've been listening. I think you have based on the comments
We're talking about Nick Fuentes. We're talking about Catholicism and
You said that Nick Fuentes is about 1% Catholic and
99% gay now. Why would you make a statement like that? I'm just rounding it could be closer like
mean the guy has just said some of the most outrageous things you know I don't
really want to repeat them but yeah I know you know I know that I get this
reputation of saying anything and everything but honestly Nick Fuentes has
said a lot of weird stuff I mean the Catholicism is really down on marriage
it's really down on you know like marital relations even and it can say
Basically intimate with your spouse is somehow like a sin or bad or carnal or something like this. We're gay and it's just
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's insane. I heard Nick Fuente say something like being with a woman is more gay than being with a man
So we play that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the exact quote is but it's something to that effect
And it's just like it's just insane
But again, I mean obviously Nick Fuente says a lot of good things. I think
I don't think he's that Catholic though.
Like, honestly, I've listened to a lot of his takes.
He doesn't really seem to, you know, bring up Mary,
doesn't seem to bring up idolatry
and going to Catholic mass and all this kind of stuff.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
He only seems like a political commentator
and he's kind of like Catholic and name only,
which is probably good,
just because the religion is so bad.
Well, Pastor Shelley, I don't know about that.
I've only really listened to him for the last month.
So I don't really know of his stuff before that.
But, like, in the last month, I've heard him say, like, you know, the answer to our problems in America are not political, it's not by Republicans and Democrats, it's by you taking the Eucharist, it's by you going to Mass.
So I don't know if maybe he's getting more Catholic, but that's just what I...
I've never heard that. I mean, obviously, I've heard him bring up Jesus and, like...
Faith faith comments, but I'm just saying like it never seemed like he was pushing Catholicism too hard
So it just kind of made me think like because there's a lot of Catholics that just kind of go a couple times a year most they're not
They're not like real into it
The ones that are real into it seem like you could tell like these people are just really pushing
You know their Catholicism and mass and and and their doctrine and stuff like that
But again, I still feel like most Catholics are pretty easy to get saved a lot of them
Um, are not too resistant to the gospel. So it's a great opportunity. But like people that are saved
Like why would you want to go listen to somebody that's just gonna like promote a false religion and?
Honestly, like I don't even think he has that many good takes he says a lot of weird stuff a lot of dumb stuff a lot of just click bait stuff a
Lot of rage bait stuff. He doesn't seem very sincere
It's funny to me though, because that crowd, that whole genre of people, is just so extreme
that if I had preached my Red Hot Sermon to them, they would have said it was too soft.
They would have said it was like they would have kicked me out because I was too weak.
Yeah, I don't know. Nick
bad influence. Pastor Oz
Clint as and we need peop
popular instead of well,
I really appreciate the
and Ben shows like this
I was I was just thinking about how much influence this guy has and there's all these people that are you know
Catholics or just non-christians that are making all these waves online and gathering all these followings
And you know, it's just it's good to just have as many actual Christian voices out there as possible
So I really want to encourage you guys just except for Cameron. Yeah except for Cameron, you know
He's the third low character
Too bad. That's all I have to say. Hey friends in low places. Yeah
Hey, my sermons never
Killed the men's preaching at the men's retreat
Be rough sermons
I just had to set the barometer somewhere
Well, I just think it's funny that a sermon could do that like like I don't even know like what
Someone could do because I mean like Adam Fannin preached heresy and it didn't kill the conference
So like like even if someone just preached false doctrine, why can't you just throw that person out like you know like?
But again, I don't know that I preached false doctrine or anybody's even accusing me that of doing that. It's just saying some
not cool things to say, I guess.
Yeah, doctrine has not usually brought up against us.
It made me think of that meme.
You know, have you seen that meme where it's like,
guys are like, and it's like a guy talking to his friend,
and the friend's kind of heavy,
and he's like saying, I know five fat people,
and you're four of them.
And then it's like this girl talking to her friend,
and she's like, you know, how do I look?
And she's like, you're so beautiful.
And she's just like, obviously like morbidly obese
or something like that.
And so it's obviously a really sensitive issue for women.
So I would think if you're in a church
where the women run the church
and where the women get to tell their husbands
what to think.
Then they're probably going to tell them all like, hey, that was a bad sermon has to show he's a bad person like, you know
Who who is he to criticize people for their weight?
Because it's just kind of like a kind of like a female sensitive topic or something. I didn't know of any guys that were offended by
Except for pastor. I'm in as apparently according to pastor Anderson last night
I heard women complaining about it, but I never heard any men complaining about it
Well, bringing it back, I don't think Fuentes and his personal life is necessarily the most hardcore Catholic in the world,
but I definitely have heard him make many statements about how he basically wants Catholicism established as the state religion or,
you know, sort of like a Catholic nationalism type deal, and I want to play another clip that we can react to from
Fuentes
that illustrates how blinded he is spiritually.
I'll play this on double speed so we can get through it in a timely manner.
So I appreciate it Cyrus the Great sent $5. I appreciate it was born and raised in the Baptist Church
I went to my first Catholic Mass on Sunday. It was beautiful. I wanted to thank you for opening my mind
God bless you and your family Nick. Hey glad to hear a man. God bless
I hope that people give it a chance
Especially the Protestants because so many Protestants are raised being told that the Catholic Church is evil and really just a lot
Because it is a nation. I never realized that until I met a lot of Protestants that converted
They all say that when especially in the south
Especially evangelicals, they're raised with all these lies about how the Catholic Church worships Mary and worships the saints and their devil worshipers
If you go to a Catholic Mass, you would be surprised at what you see. I think for a lot of evangelicals or Baptists
You'd be surprised especially and I know a lot of Catholic masses can be a little bit cocked these days
I don't care as long as it's a valid mass. I go but I was raised in it, but especially if you're
Go to a reverence
Right, go to a Latin mass go to a reverence
Go to one of the nice cathedrals where they have incense and go to a Latin mass and tell me that you don't feel the presence of God
I honest to God
I think you would be lying
If you went with an open mind and you said that you didn't feel the presence of God in the right in the uh
In the catholic mass, I think you'd just be lying if you said you didn't feel it
And so I'd encourage anybody, if you're skeptical,
I mean, what is there to lose?
Catholic Church has been around for thousands of years.
Catholic Church is what created the canon of the Bible.
Catholic Church has been the vanguard of teaching for 2,000 years is Rome. What is there to lose by going and giving it a chance?
I think everybody should you know, because I think a lot of people are very interested in it for every other reason
But I love to hear stuff like that because it's like people really just need to go and have an encounter with it
Have an experience with it and the thing that separates the Catholic mass from every other church is that we actually understand God
We actually know Jesus and we know Jesus because Jesus is there at the mass and he's there on the cross
He's there in the Eucharist. That's the difference every other church
Right in the Protestant church Christ isn't even on the cross. That's like why even bother
And in other churches, they say, well, the bread, the Eucharist is a stand-in. It's a symbol. Okay. Well, then why bother?
Only in the catholic mass is the entire essence of the religion on display and properly understood. And that is that we are
Wait a minute. I thought Jesus said
Um, we're two together together together. My name there. My name is
Yeah, that's a good point. Additionally, he made the argument that
Protestants were the ones who didn't have monolithic views and so that is one of the reasons why you shouldn't
subscribe to their theology. When then here he makes the claim, well, you know, I know there's a lot of Catholics that are cooked.
It's like, hold on a minute. I thought you guys all
agreed on everything.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's like, oh do you worship Mary?
No, we just pray to her for a recession.
We just bow head, hear Mary, please carry my prayers
to Jesus.
It's like, wow.
Yeah, we hear these things because it's true.
Yeah, let's see if he says anything else
that's worth responding to.
Being brought into God's nature by consuming the Eucharist,
only in the Catholic Mass are we actually eating
the body and the blood of Christ,
and only in the Catholic Mass are we rectifying sin itself.
By joining into God's nature rather than being in rivalry and rebellion against it
It's only in the Catholic Mass is there a seriousness enough to say Christ is here. He's here. He's in the monstrance
He's oh, hey, I'm gonna get up and here's my presentation for the week
You know not to knock them, but it really just goes to show there's such a head and shoulders difference between what what actually occurs at Catholic Mass
sanctioned by God's church versus what he's basically just attacking the idea of preaching the concept of preaching the Bible
Because they don't preach sermons a lot. Yeah, don't sometimes they'll have like a homily which is like a little pseudo sermon
But you're not going to find a Catholic minister get up with just the Bible and go verse by
verse and preach through it.
Very rarely they'll do some sort of topical homily, but they're not preaching hard sermons.
I mean, it's a joke, folks.
Go to a real Baptist church and you'll see.
Did you go to a Catholic church much, Pastor Oz?
No, I've been once in my life for a funeral, no.
I'm kind of confused on Nick Fuentes's take because he says he brought up in that first of all he talks about mono
monolithic views between
Protestants and Catholics, but then he says that oh well
Catholicism he made a reference to some of the masses being cucked now my question though is if it's gay
According to Nick Fuentes to be with a woman is a cucked Catholic Catholic mass more or less gay
than a non cucked mass
You know what I'm saying? So I don't know questions that only Nick Fuentes, I guess could answer
But he makes the claim that hey, you know these Baptists come to my sector, you'll be saved
That's just a strawman and I don't even believe that because I think they're safe people in a bunch of different denominations
It's just that
Baptists by and large in general. There's baptists that have big problems, but in general Baptist are just the best
Doctrinally overall, but you know, there's saved people in different denominations and things like that
But like, this idea that, oh, because you guys disagree on stuff, it discredits you.
No, not at all.
In fact, the Bible literally teaches us that the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.
And so that's why, the reason why you have so many different false doctrines out there
is because of the lack of the Holy Spirit, because there's false prophets.
The Bible says there's many false prophets that are gone out into the world.
What do you think about that like when he says well, you know, you guys can't agree on anything so therefore you're a false church
Well, it sounds like he made the same claim that some Catholics and them don't agree
So I don't I guess I don't understand that point, but you kind of made this claim like oh you walk in
They were worried is gonna feel demonic or look demonic and it didn't but obviously the devil transforms himself into an angel wife
Number one, you walk in and there's a guy wearing a dress.
That's already, you know, weird and tranny to me.
Number two, the Bible says very explicitly that
that which they sacrifice unto idols, they sacrifice unto devils.
So idols are actually representative of spiritual devils
and having fellowship with devils. And you go into a Catholic Church,
you're going to see idolatry and iconography everywhere. You're going to see
crucifixes, and Mary statues, and just all kinds of anything and everything in between
everywhere. I mean you go into the Sistine Chapel and it's just a bunch of naked babies all over
the ceiling in the wall, like, you know, isn't that like pedophilia? Like, what do they expect
Satan, you know, Satan worshiping or some demonic spirit to even feel like or look like?
Is just the pipe organ just makes you feel good inside? I mean, we know the Mormon church is also
They have the pipe organ and it might look nice and feel nice, but I mean, it's just silly to try and say like, oh, they were told it's going to feel demonic and looking. What does that even look like?
Let's use the Bible to tell us and the Bible is telling us that these idols are demonic and you go into the Catholic Church
It's filled with idols. It's filled with graven images
It's filled with you know what the Bible describes as having fellowship with devils
So, you know, if I see a bunch of idols, I just instantly know it's demonic
I don't have to like have a devil jump out of the wall and spook me or scare me or something
It's not like it's not gonna necessarily be a haunted house or something like that
the haunted house might be less demonic than the catholic church according to the bible though
so i guess we have to kind of figure out like what is you know how do we dishermine what's
right or wrong what's the bible and the catholics don't use the bible that's why
like pastor all said they're not going to get up and just go verse by verse line by line explaining
these people, you know, go based on just the tradition.
A lot of Catholic services is just the same thing.
Show up, stand, sit, stand, sit, take the Eucharist and leave.
And they act like that's just the only thing that really matters.
And they just totally miss the boat. They just totally miss the point.
I mean, God's actual temple, the temple that was built by God, you had bad people taking
over, bad influences at one point, and they were worshiping the sun and worshiping false
gods in the house of God.
You know, what made it demonic?
It wasn't the building, it was obviously a beautiful building, it was the fact that they
were worshiping idols, and it's like you go into these Catholic churches, they may be
beautiful buildings, but they're worshiping idols and bowing down to them.
That's demonic.
That's satanic.
Nick Fuentes can sit here and try to make it sound appealing, but obviously he's just a liar, he's not saved.
If he could get saved, then let's preach in the gospel.
But as far as I can tell, I don't even think that he's very likely to get saved.
He seems very prideful.
Earning likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them fry the Lord thy God
I'm a jealous God
Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children under the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
What is it about the Catholics that they just can't comprehend that scripture?
It's because they don't have the Holy Spirit and so they're not being guided at all truth
They cannot understand the word of God the Bible says the natural man
Receive it not the things of the Spirit of God my point is
You go into these buildings and it's just idols everywhere. They got an idol of Jesus
They got an idol of a bunch of angels
They've got idols of Mary that they literally bowed down to it is text book the complete opposite of what the scripture
Tells us to do in fact it is in direct conflict with what we've been told not to do. It's amazing
They do the literal opposite of the text
Oh, well, we're not worshiping Mary, right? That's what they say. We're not worshiping Mary.
We're just praying to her for intercession. Well, that's funny because even if that were true,
which it isn't, you are worshiping Mary. But even if you were just praying for intercession,
the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2, verse 5, for there's one God and one mediator between God and men,
the man, Christ Jesus. So I'm not praying to anybody for any intercession. I'm praying to God
right by the power of Jesus Christ and what he did for us.
So it's just these people,
they don't know the Bible, they don't read about
how the Holy Ghost makes intercession for us
with groanings that cannot be uttered.
So like when it comes to prayer,
my intercessor is the Holy Ghost,
not, you know, Mary or some dead saints.
But you know, you know what I like about Baptists is that they're not transvestites
I do like that Baptists are not transvestites because think about, you know, Mark chapter number 12 verse 38
Jesus was talking here says and he said unto them in his doctrine
Beware of the scribes which love to go in long clothing
love salutations in the market places. It's a mark of a false prophet, it's a
mark of a wicked false teacher when they want to put on these long garments and
and what's the spirit behind that is that they're trying to get recognition
and they're trying to get people to see them be like oh a man of God oh that's
clergy oh that's you know and then of course these titles too.
Oh, father, oh, holy father, right?
They'll give these high titles to these Catholic ministers.
Jesus said, beware of people like that.
You know what I like about Baptist ministers
is that they're just regular men.
And if you saw them walking down the aisle in Home Depot,
you wouldn't know that they were Baptist pastor.
And even just wearing clothes like this out and about,
you look like a normal American.
You know it looked like an American that just dresses nice and back in the day
Everyone dressed like this even the baseball games and horse races and stuff like that
But you're not in some sort of sort of weird garment. That's like, oh wow, holy father
No, you know who loves to do that
Jews love to do that. They love to dress up so you can look at them and say, oh, here's a Jew
Here's a rabbi and then same thing with Catholic priests
But their collar backwards they wear the long garments to get the praise of man
because they're not interested in the praise of God, you know, one of the stupid things he said
there is he's like, what I love about the Catholic Mass is that we go there and we actually know
Jesus. Well, guess what? No, you don't, because in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. If you want to get to
know Jesus, there's only one way to do that, and that's to read his Word.
And Catholics don't emphasize reading the Bible.
Catholic followers do not read the Bible cover to cover every year.
They're not preaching verse by verse through Scripture.
You know, they're preaching their councils.
They're preaching, let's read what this Saint said.
Let's read, you know, this, you know, the Pope speaking ex-Cathedra.
No, you need, if you want to get to know Jesus Christ,
you need to get to know the King James Bible.
And showing these people anything from the Bible is an exercise in futility since they don't understand it in pastor
I think you told me a story a while back where you tried to convince this Catholic that Mary was not a perpetual
Virgin and it doesn't matter what passage you went to
They just came up with excuses to try to wiggle their way out of it and they just, a lot of the time, they're so confused and they're just so clinging, I should say, they're clinging to their tradition that they're unwilling to receive the Word of God.
But do you have that experience? Am I right about that? Didn't you try to tell somebody, hey, Mary was not a perpetual version and they just wouldn't take it?
Yeah, I mean, I think that 90 some percent of Catholics are pretty open to conversation in the Bible
But the thing is though the Catholic religion is a really old religion
So they've had enough time to basically come up with an answer for every single thing they believe
So, you know, really if you believe in work salvation
You end up just eventually getting into the Catholic bucket because they've had enough time to think about
Every stupid weird thing that they believe so they kind of have any
Whereas a lot of the other versions of Christianity that have perverted themselves
They haven't really thought about how many contradictions they have and how they don't really have answers for a lot of scriptures
And so, you know, it's a little bit easier to kind of like
Attack them from a debate perspective. They're apologists, but it kind of like apologists genuinely has and answered every question
I think their their number one apologist is Trent Horn
Which I tried to you know schedule a debate with him. Yeah, what happened with that? He just declined
I think he's just afraid. I don't think the Catholics wanted to be Baptist because they just know like
We're gonna appeal the scripture and our scriptures are clear and they sound right and they have to do all these long
Drawn out weird explanations that just don't make any sense
And they know that they're gonna lose and the eyes of public opinion. So I think Catholics are just terrified
of actually having to defend their religion,
and so they only debate Catholic life.
They only debate other weirdos and freaks and stuff.
Yeah.
Well, I think we've.
Hit this topic long enough. We could go on and on about Catholicism debunking. It is like shooting fish in a barrel
There are so many scriptures that
Directly refute their traditions and their false doctrine. I appreciate the thumbs up
But let's move on now to another bad influence at his name is Norm Diamante. I don't know how many people he's actually influencing
He does have a YouTube channel that gets a decent amount of views, but he responded to us because
We believe that you should call on the name of the Lord to be saved, as Romans 10 says,
and as mainstream Christianity teaches. You know, this idea that...
Calling on the name of the Lord is not a part of salvation. I believe is just this fringe internet only doctrine
I don't think you find it anywhere notable, but it's part of his identity
I guess, you know, this is what he really pushes hard on his channel
And so we're gonna look at what he said about us and respond to it because he goes to the Bible to try to debunk our view
Initially the beginning portion of his video is him just playing back what we said. There's no point in
doing that here and playing that again here because you know you could just go
back and listen to that podcast if you want to hear what we had to say. Basically
you know it's everything that you would expect you know we believe that you have
to call the name of the Lord we went to the Bible to prove that but he tried to
respond by going to a number of places in the Bible so let's play his clip and
react to it here as Norm tries to debunk us and he tries to basically
Teach that you don't have to call in the name of the Lord to go to heaven
And let's see what kind of arguments he puts forward here
To him has thou asked Jesus to save you no that's not all right
I'm starting off in verse 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him
In order to properly defend faith, we must properly define faith.
The word of God says in John chapter 9 starting off in verse 35,
Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and when he had found him, he said unto him,
Has thou asked Jesus to save you?
No, that's not his question.
Does thou believe on the Son of God?
He answered and said, Lord, how do I believe on him?
No, he answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
And he said, Lord, I believe, and he worshiped him.
Notice, no prayer, no request, no asking to be saved.
Look at Acts chapter 8.
Then Philip, open his mouth.
All right.
So again, it's just another one of these arguments
where they go to a verse that says believe
and they go, see, it doesn't say call.
It says believe.
Hoo, hoo, hoo.
It's like, dude, you're not proving anything
because the means by which you believe
is to call on the name of the Lord.
So it's like, you keep going to all these verses
that say the word believe as if it's somehow,
like, you don't think I've seen that in the Bible before?
You're not debunking me. You're not refuting anything
Like I get it. Yes, it says believe in order to believe you call the name of the Lord, but
Let's get you guys. I want to get you guys involved here. What do you think about this initial?
argument that he makes
Who
I'm not hearing that. I don't know what's going on with that. Hopefully I heard you
Well y'all in the chat can tell me if there's a
If you guys hear an echo on the stream, just let me know
Hopefully it's just the them. I don't know if it's actually happening in the stream or not. I'll check it out
But let's go ahead pastor Oz if you want to start and then we'll go down
Jesus answered her, if thou knewest the God, and who it is, sayeth to give me a drink,
thou wouldest have passed him, and he would have given thee living.
So there's mentally understanding of facts about the gospel.
There's people who understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God.
There's people that understand the Bible teaches that we're sinners, that's hell,
cross, that he rose again from the dead.
They have this mental understanding that, well, the Bible teaches that if you put your faith in him, you'll be saved.
But there's a difference between someone who understands facts about the gospel
and someone who actually believes the gospel, wants to put their trust in the gospel,
And how a person puts their trust in Christ is by calling upon the name of the Lord.
Jesus straight up said that if you knew the gift of God and who it is that talketh with you, that you would have asked Him.
So Jesus settles the case. I never the thing is is like I don't have a hard time convincing actual people of this doctrine
It's usually just weirdos online and insincere liars
Like norm diamante the same guy who's had videos on his profile for years where he's doing soul winning demonstrations
And he's always praying with people afterwards
And I I nailed this guy down years ago asking him
Have when you I said when you got saved have you ever called upon the name of the Lord personally?
And he just kept ignoring me ignoring me and ignoring me and finally he responded and he said no
So one of two things are true. He's either well both of these could be true
He's either a complete prideful idiot and a jerk or he's unsaved
And let me say, if he has never called upon the name of the Lord, then he is on his way to hell.
You must call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. That is how you put your trust in Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I agree. I personally think that Norm and these guys are saved. I just think that they're just complete idiots and just
Prideful jerks and they just they just basically want to try and one up the new IV or something
And they're they're not really as interested in doing a lot of like door knocking in out out soul winning
They want to emphasize more like YouTube ministry stuff and things like that and so it's kind
of a convenience doctrine that since they don't have to call upon the Lord and actually
help lead someone to Christ, then they might as well just get a megaphone on YouTube and
just kind of promote it and it just kind of this like cool gotcha or something like that.
But it's just utter nonsense and stupidity and like you said, Norma Yamante believed
in calling upon the name of the Lord in the past.
He of course believed it when he would have said he got saved.
I think these people are just lying.
They're being insincere.
I think that they kind of just have gaslit themselves
or trick themselves or just are knowingly lying about it.
But it's a fringe doctrine.
I mean, Norm de Amante's influence
is gonna be over just trolls and weirdos.
He's like the king of the trolls at best.
You know, he doesn't really have much of an influence.
Nobody really cares.
He's the king of the incels or something like that.
I mean, the guy is easily one of the most
prideful people I've ever met in my life.
really standoffish, thinks he's better than everybody, thinks he's super macho and cool,
tries to challenge people to fight them or something like that. Like, he's not spirit-filled.
I don't even know if he goes to a Baptist church still or not. I know that he was,
I think at one point, and then I think he was saying like he's not Baptist anymore.
I could be wrong. I'm not really sure, but this is not a role model for anyone.
And really, I don't think that Norm DiAmante is a big deal, but just someone like him.
Be aware of these YouTube personalities.
Be aware of these YouTube pastors.
Be aware of these YouTube influencers that are just trying to basically make a name for
themselves and they don't go to church, they're not submitting to a church, they're not promoting
a church, they're just promoting themselves, promoting their brand, promoting making money.
I'm not against anybody going out there and putting the gospel online or being successful online.
But I'm saying beware of guys that are not allowing church to be an authority over them.
They're not submitting to a pastor.
They're not promoting the ministry of their church, but rather they're just trying to promote themselves in their own ministry.
These people are really dangerous and get into weird heresies and they have no one to hold them accountable.
And you're going to end up having all kinds of crazy, weird...
fringe believes that no one believes. I mean 99.9% of evangelical churches in America believe you
have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. It's just, it's just asinine to think that,
that you don't, that that's not part of the gospel or something. So you're gonna just say like
literally every church in the world is teaching work salvation. I mean that's what they would have
And again, there's gotta be a difference between understanding the Gospel and putting your trust in Jesus Christ.
There's gotta be a moment in which someone does that, and the Bible just spells it out in Romans 10.
It's crystal clear.
All their explanations for Romans 10, if they even give one, are just idiotic, nonsensical.
The Bible couldn't be clear in Romans 10 that the way someone believes in Jesus Christ is by confessing with their mouth and believing in their heart,
and that's how they get saved.
Confessed with their mouth and believed with their heart, you know, I this is just this is just stupidity
But I do see sometimes young single guys impressionable guys
Hearing something like this and then thinking that they're smarter than every church and every pastor and every Christian has gone before them and
You know without YouTube this doctrine wouldn't even exist, you know, you have to understand without the internet without YouTube
This wouldn't exist. So it's just it's a YouTube only doctrine, but
Be, be careful of these YouTube, you know, only doctrines.
Yeah, people freak out when it comes to Romans 10, and we should probably just read it real
quick in verse 9.
It says, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart, man believeth under righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.
And people will be like, oh, which one comes first?
Here's the thing, sometimes the Bible talks about two things
that are basically two parts of the same event.
So you don't wanna get too caught up
and have like this James White interpretation of the Bible.
Like James White gets all bent out of shape
about Acts chapter number five, verse 30,
where it says, the God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
and he freaks out and he's acting like,
oh, you know, what happened first?
Is the King James Bible saying that, you know,
they killed Jesus and then they put him on the cross?
Obviously the Bible is just talking about two aspects
of one event, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
Well, it's like, there's this one event called salvation.
And how does that happen?
That happens by believing in your heart
and confessing with your mouth.
And ooh, what if you don't have a mouth?
You could speak with your heart too.
You could call upon the name of the Lord in your heart.
But these are two aspects of the same event.
It's not work salvation.
If I write you a check to pay for something for you
and I say, hey, I paid for it, I paid it all.
Here's a free check for you.
Do you want it?
And you take it, you say, yes, I want it.
That's not you working for it.
It's you accepting the gift.
So how do you accept salvation? You accept salvation by, yes, understanding the gospel mentally,
but not just understanding it mentally by deciding to put your faith in that. How do you do that?
Well, it looks different for different people. It's not a special set of words.
The thief on the cross, Lord, rememberest thou me when thou comest into thy kingdom?
You could say, Jesus, save me. You could say, God, I believe in you. Or you could say a more,
you know, intricate prayer like we do.
I usually just say when I'm soul-winning with someone,
Dear Jesus, I know I'm a sinner, I know I deserve hell,
but I believe that you died on the cross for my sins,
that you were buried and rose again from the dead.
I'm only trusting in you and not in myself.
Please save me and give me eternal life. Amen.
It's that simple.
It could be way simpler than that.
But I like to say that because it covers everything that we talked about so and let's be honest
You got so many. I've never had a single time a person tell me that oh
You said it was believe not call like I've never had that happen
It's never been an opposition, but I have had people that say yeah, I understand what you're saying
Yeah, I believe that and then I say like do you want to pray you want to like call phone anymore like I showed you and they
Say no, I don't want to do that and then I start pressing I say like okay. Well, why?
and they're like, well, I still think it's works.
So it's like usually almost every time,
whenever they don't wanna call upon the name of the Lord
and I press them, they just admit to me,
it's because they don't actually believe it's by faith
and they don't actually trust in Jesus Christ.
So, obviously there's sometimes where people say like,
I don't wanna pray
because I haven't really made that decision yet
or I don't know if I believe that fully yet.
And like to me, that's where you even see that delta.
Like I've seen people kind of say like,
yeah, I kind of believe what you're saying.
And I'm like, do you want to pray and ask Jesus?
And they say, well, before I make that decision,
I really want to think about it myself.
And I want to be like,
making sure that I really believe this or whatever.
Cause it's like, to them,
they realized that the praying is the like ultimate picture
of actually trusting in Christ,
actually putting your faith in Him.
And that's the catalyst.
Of course, the Bible doesn't say,
ask and thou shalt be saved, because then every atheist, every agnostic, every Hindu that is asked to
save, the Bible is making it clear that the reason why they're saved is because they also believed
in their heart. So it's not prayer that saves you, it's not asking that saves you, it's not saying
magical words that saves you, it's putting your faith in Jesus Christ, it's trusting in him,
and that action looks like repenting, changing your mind, believing in Christ, and calling upon the
which is basically a one-time moment. It's an event. When you're turning from something,
you're turning to something. You're turning from unbelief to belief in Jesus Christ.
The way we do that is through confession. And we see tons of people doing this in the Bible.
We see the thief on the cross saying, Lord, remember me when I come into my kingdom.
And he says, to date, I'll show you with me in paradise. Why didn't Jesus just look at the
Yeah, and the Bible records people believing, but it's not necessarily going to
record each and every single step of the process.
There are more steps involved sometimes depending on the account that we're talking about, but often what you see that someone believed,
the implication is, even though it's not necessarily spelled out every single time, that they did repent of what they believed before,
that they placed their faith in Christ by calling on the name of the Lord.
And, you know, another argument that he makes, so he went to Romans chapter 10, he says that...
He brings up how then shall they call on him
in whom they have not believed
and how shall they believe in him
of whom they have not heard
and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And basically, I think his argument is basically just like,
well, you can see here that believing
is totally separate from calling
and that the person who calls was already saved.
They wanna get into the minutiae of the exact second.
It's stupid because is there really a difference
between the timeline of when someone's preaching
and you're hearing?
Because in that same statement, it's saying how can they hear except someone should preach like it
Oh, there's this huge difference between the time of when they're preaching and when you're hearing
No, it's happening at the exact same time. Yeah, like amen to that
Yeah, I'm gonna sit here and talk about like the microscopic differences of the sound of speed or this I'm sorry the speed of sound
I misspoke the speed of sound. It's like
just like the microscopic difference of whatever it could possibly be of believing and calling.
But again, I think there is no separation because it's happening at the same time.
It's just like returning from something to something's happening at the same time.
You can't say these are two completely different events. The one event...
and two things are happening. There's one event, you're believing in Jesus Christ, and how does
that work? In your heart, you're trusting in the resurrection, and in your mouth, you're saying it
and telling the Lord that. But like you said, the repentance can even be seen by the guy on the cross,
because at the first part, if you compare all the Gospels, it says that they were both mocking him.
And then later the one is saying like oh wait Lord remember me when I come thinking of any saying like hey
We we deserve this and this guy doesn't deserve this like more or less
I'm paraphrasing but it you kind of actually see in one of the thieves there
And then when's the moment Jesus is acknowledging his salvation when he confesses when he says something to the Lord when he's like
Calling to the Lord. He's he doesn't even have to call upon the Lord in the prayer to heaven because Jesus is right there
I mean, he can just ask Jesus that's right next to him on the cross.
Obviously, we don't have Jesus next to us physically, so we pray in our hearts, so we pray, you know,
and it comes out of our mouth, but this is nonsense.
This is a doctrine of trolls and weirdos and freaks.
I've never met a normal person who's mixed up on this doctrine.
It's always just weirdos and freaks and prideful, arrogant jerks.
maybe at some point he'll humble himself and realize he's been wrong, but probably not.
Yeah, at Acts chapter 22 it says, while Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all
them which heard the word. He brings that up as well. But again, I would argue that they called on
the name of the Lord. It's just not necessarily recorded in great detail. Pastor Oz, what do you
One thing I just wanted to say is, you know, Pastor Shelley's talking a lot about repentance and we might have some listeners that when they hear the word repent, they immediately think repent of your sins.
And so a good verse that I was just thinking of right now is Acts chapter 19 verse 5.
The Bible says,
Where am I at here? I'm sorry, verse 4.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance saying unto the people
that they should believe on him which should come after him that is on Christ Jesus.
So repentance, it could look like a couple different things.
It could look like going from unbelief to belief.
Which is is interesting when you look at how the Bible uses that word unbelief
Because think about the Apostle Paul in 1st Timothy chapter number one
He talks about how he obtained mercy because he did it ignorantly in
unbelief
Now here's the thing if you would have talked to the Apostle Paul before he got saved if you would have asked him is God real
He would have said yes
He was a Pharisee. He was, you know, keeping the law. He was living after the most strict sect of the Pharisees.
He was exceeding zealous, you know, of the traditions of his fathers, but the Bible
says that he was in unbelief.
Why? Because he was not trusting in Christ for his salvation.
He was trusting in the fact that he was a Jew and that he was a Pharisee and he was doing all these good works.
So when someone gets saved,
You know, let's say someone's a Catholic and they think that you know, they have to do
Confession to be saved they have to take the Eucharist to be saved
And then they realize wow, you know, the Bible says for by grace are you saved through faith that not of yourselves?
It is the gift of God not of works. That's any man should boast a soul winner preaches them the gospel
The soul winner says hey, do you want to change your mind?
The Catholic Church says
Salvation is by works the Bible says it's by faith. Do you want to change your mind?
When they say yes to that and they call upon the name of the Lord,
they've changed their mind and they've repented.
That's what repentance is, going from unbelief to belief.
It's not by stopping sinning.
You know, people that believe salvation is by repenting of your sins
are living in denial because they haven't repented of their sins.
They haven't stopped sinning.
They just lower the bar of righteousness that the Bible actually has
just to fit sins that they're not doing.
What does it take to get to heaven?
All the stuff that I'm not doing basically is what their logic is.
Whereas the Bible standard of righteousness is very high
that we can never attain but by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Cameron, did you want to round out this topic
and then we'll begin to lay in the plane?
Yeah, sure. I mean, I think that both Pastor Oz and Pastor Shelley have just nailed this and I think I really like what Pastor Oz
Just said about kind of clarifying that term of repentance for listeners because I believe that that's where I
Don't know norm's heart
I do tend to lean towards that he is saved.
Matter of fact, what's so funny is that I was defending him
out soul winning with another soul winner from Anchor.
He had come up and I'm like defending.
This is before I knew he made some video
attacking me and you.
I'm like defending him.
I'm like, no, I think he's just probably prideful.
I think he's just defining things differently
because even when it comes to calling on the name of the Lord
Well, even in the Bible, we can define that a couple of different ways.
There's calling on the name of the Lord for salvation, which I believe is
synonymous with believing, just like we've talked about here.
Synonymous with repentance in the context of salvation.
Synonymous with obeying in the context of salvation, for they have not all obeyed the
but then there's also like calling on the name of the Lord in the sense of like just
asking God to save you in a certain sense of like not a spiritual salvation, right?
And this kind of falls into where people will see the word saved or salvation in the Bible
and sometimes they mistakenly always just associate it with the like your spiritual
salvation. But like you could look at Peter sinking and saying like, Lord, save me.
Well, he's calling out to Jesus. It's not like he got saved.
from a spiritual aspect there, right?
So we, I think all that to say,
we just wanna make sure
that we're defining things correctly.
In the context of salvation,
it is not possible, in my opinion,
to believe without calling on the name of the Lord,
by believe, I mean, put your trust in Christ.
Because the way that one does that is by,
Calling on the name of the Lord you if you're a soul winner just like Pastor Shelley says soul winners
don't have a problem with this because if you go out and preach the gospel to people you'll notice that
There is a belief in the sense of understanding that a lot of people do but understanding is not what saves you James 2 19
The devils believe
And tremble right I believe that's James 2 verse 19, but there's a difference between believing a fact it is James 2 19
And trusting, thank you. And trusting. And you'll notice this with people is once you preach them
the gospel, once they understand it, and once they believe that, that the moment that they're believing
is when they are calling on the name of the Lord to save them. Because they are two sides of the
same coin. Just like Pastor Shelley said, it's a fool's errand to try to find some difference in
But what happens is you get people like Norm and what he's done because I went and watched his videos
I watched his attack against me and you and I watched the other videos that he puts out and he does this straw man
Which exactly zero percent of people that I've ever met believe which is like oh well
You can put all your trust in Christ, but you're not saved until you physically pray
Even if you're fully trusting Christ for salvation that doesn't exist
That's not a real person and no one believes that no
No one is sitting here saying,
oh, you fully trusted, you fully believe on Jesus,
not saved unless you say this prayer,
not saved unless you prayed out loud
a sinner's prayer at the door.
Nobody believes that,
but that's the straw man that I believe that Norm
and his ilk are constructing against that.
Look, I don't believe that.
Nobody believes that.
Nobody on this call.
Believes that and you know, it's funny the comments are like, oh, I saw one of them
They're like Cameron believes the right thing, but he's too intimidated by Ben to say it
I'm just like no no no
We all believe the same thing and I think that there are different nuances in ways that maybe I would explain something or Ben would explain something
It's kind of like the Trinity there. I probably explained the Trinity at the door a different way than somewhat like using a different example
I've heard Pastor Shelley use the cake analogy, which is a good example of the Trinity
Just like you used the sandwich analogy for salvation, right? You have believing calling on the name of the Lord
It makes the same which I forget the last part of the sandwich and his analogy
But it's because there's different nuance that different people will used to explain it
But people like me that you explain it confusing that one time. It's okay
Well, that's fair to that's fair, but I think it's it's it I I in my defense
I think it is like the Trinity in that it's a very basic doctrine that people don't have trouble with generally at the door
But sometimes the harder you try to explain something that is a supernatural like the Trinity or like salvation
the harder sometimes you try to explain that in our
carnal mind or you know in this temporal
well, you know, context, I guess, if you will. So the easier it is for you to say something stupid
or confusing, right? And so, no, calling on the name of the Lord is believing, is obeying, is
salvation. They're inextricably linked when you're talking about the context of salvation. In my
opinion, you cannot break them up. They all happen at the same time. And every verse that
Like, oh, if, you know, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and now shall be said, yeah, I believe that like I don't disagree with the Bible here, nobody here disagrees with the Bible, but here's the thing.
He's the one attacking the doctrine of calling on the name of the Lord.
It's his position.
It's his followers.
It's his side that's saying, oh, well, you don't have to call in the name of the Lord.
Well, what that's doing is you're attacking Romans chapter 10 then.
By trying to say that you don't have to do this to be saved. You're just attacking what Romans chapter number 10 says
So anytime you're attacking a clear verse in the Bible, you're in the wrong. You're not right
So I think he's just prideful. I think he is saved, but I think he's super prideful
I think that comes across very
Very clearly in the videos that he makes and that's that's my position on it at least
I like the thing that you brought up about Norm giving us this hypothetical because you have this
idea of like oh you're fully trusting Christ but you haven't physically said anything or you haven't
physically prayed. But I've heard evangelicals use this analogy and I think it's a really,
it's a good analogy to kind of understand the process of salvation is they use a chair
and they kind of talk about like you know you can you can look at the chair
and someone's explaining to you,
let's say you've never seen a chair before,
and they're just explaining the chair to you.
They say, you can just put your body on it.
You can just rest on the chair.
You can put all your weight on the chair
and it's gonna hold you up.
You don't have to do any work yourself.
You can even pick your legs up.
You can do absolutely no works.
And you can just put all of your weight
and all of your body on the chair
and it's not gonna break, it's not gonna fall.
It's just gonna hold you up.
And it's like this is kind of like what we're saying with salvation
We just put all of our faith in Jesus and he's gonna hold us up
We don't have to do any works ourselves and if someone was looking at the chair and you're explaining this to them
And you're saying do you believe in the chair?
Do you think the chair is gonna hold you and you're like they say yeah, I believe that
But they're not actually sitting in the chair
Well, then you have to ask question. Are you really believing and it's like if someone said hey
This person's fully trusting the chair to hold them up, but they're not sitting in it
Then you would say well the person's lying the person's not fully trusting in the chair
Once someone's sitting in the chair then you could say okay
This person has fully put all of their trust in this chair to hold them up. They're not using their legs
They're not using some part of their body
They're trusting this chair to keep them from falling and again when it comes to our salvation
We're trusting in Jesus to keep us from going to hell not ourselves the same way as a pilot on a plane
We get on the plane
and we just trust the pilot to get us there.
If someone said, do you trust the pilot to fly you to Africa,
and I say 100%, but I don't get on the plane, I didn't trust him.
In the same way that if I claim that I'm trusting Jesus to take me heaven,
but I never asked him or I never put my faith in him
by calling upon the Lord, then I just didn't trust him.
So like, it's really that simple.
I think those analogies kind of help distinguish the difference between
understanding the pilot can get me there,
understanding the chair can hold me, and then deciding to actually put my
my trust in them by getting on the plane, by sitting in the chair. And that's what Rowan Sten's explaining.
It's just simply saying once you realize Jesus is the one that's gonna save you,
you simply confess with your mouth, you believe in your heart, and you're saved. For who serves the call upon the name of the Lord,
shall be saved. It's that simple. It's that easy.
But there is a moment when someone has to make the choice they have to decide to believe in Jesus Christ
And that's what Romans 10 is really getting at. Yep. Yeah, because calling on the Lord is trusting him
Like that's how it's all the same things that we've talked about here
And I used an example too of like I have this stupid little pumpkin at my desk
but it's like if I'm holding this and someone's someone's like holding their hand out underneath and they're like
I will catch it if you let go of that. I will catch it 100%
Do you trust me? And I'm like, yes, I believe but I never let go. I have not it's just like your chair analogy
And I've used this analogy to I have not trusted you to catch it because I'm still holding on to it
There has to be a point where someone goes, okay
And they let go and they allow what they're trusting in to basically do the work what they're allowing
Just like that chair analogy if I'm just standing there looking at the chair like yeah
It's gonna hold me that's believing a fact about the chair
It is not trusting the chair and those two things are different
And yeah, I agree with that.
At the end of the day, calling on the name of the Lord, asking to be saved,
that's the means by which you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, so he can throw at us 50 verses
about believing in the Bible and it's not actually debunking anything that...
But he acts like we don't believe those verses. That's the crazy thing,
is he acts like we don't believe them when we would say, yes, I believe that.
But here's what's funny. If we bring up Romans 10, is he gonna say that he believes Romans 10-10?
Because he wants to throw all these verses. Oh, you don't believe this. Oh, did it say ask? Oh, did it blah blah blah?
But it's like, bro, the Bible does say with the heart man believe in the righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
He wants to attack us on all these verses that we already believe.
This is their explanation. They say they say whoever calls upon the Lord is gonna be saved from that in times tribulation period or whatever
That's stupid. That's obviously not the context
But but here's the thing that would be so funny like well Paul really was worried about nothing because every single Jew died
Before that period ever happened. So like why was he so worried about all these Jews calling upon the Lord to be saved from a
Tribulation that's gonna happen two thousand years later. It's like
It's just a nonsensical interpretation that these guys just don't even even they're not trying to interpret the Bible again
It's just pride and arrogance. See if the YouTube only doctrine these people are weird
I hate having to talk about this because it's just weirdos that believe it
So I think everybody in my church rolls their eyes when I have to explain this is so so
It'd be like if I just spent every day of just explaining to my church that the earth is a sphere right not flat
or just explaining that Donald Trump's not a hologram or just, you know, just anything that's just...
just common sense, you know, that we landed on the moon.
I mean, why don't want to sit here
and just insult everybody's intelligence?
They can't just read.
Because if you just read English,
I don't care, a five-year-old child,
I like that picture you got there in the background.
If you're a five-year-old child,
you're gonna read Romans 10,
and you're gonna know exactly what it's saying.
You have to be like a weirdo and a freak.
to end up coming to their conclusions and denying just the clear verses and the clear scripture.
That's why 99.99% of churches and evangelicals believe calling upon the name of the Lord.
I don't even, it's almost like a vein jangling at this point, but I obviously went down that rabbit hole.
All right. Well, let's move on Pastor Oz unless you had something else you wanted to say about this then just interrupt me
No, it's not boring and stupid. Let's move on. Let's end with this. Let's end with this and then we'll end the stream
Bahamas Mission Trip, folks.
2025, it's coming up next week.
We are getting closer and closer.
I cannot wait.
The last one was the trip of a lifetime.
And just to tie it into what we've been talking about,
you better believe that there's gonna be
Potentially over a thousand people who call on the name of the Lord at this event. We got close to a thousand last time
And yeah, they're gonna be praying. They're gonna be asking to be saved. But my point is this is gonna be one hell of a trip
I cannot wait. We're gonna go preach at the schools. We're gonna go door-to-door. We're gonna go to the college campus
We're gonna try to just go everywhere in the Bahamas with the gospel camera
And I think this will be the first time that you've ever gone to this trip Pastor Oz you've been before
Pastor Shelley
You're leading it again.
I try to only invite low character people like this because I just, you know, I don't
want to be around people that are just so much better than me and just making me feel
like so, you know, inferior to their awesomeness.
So that's why I like to hang out with other low, low, low level people.
possibly about being lowly and lowly of mind and humble in your own sight like
that's that's kind of important so
You know, I like being considered low and hanging out with low people and like going to Muhammad
Is it a coincidence that we're gonna have a giant mission trip?
I mean we have more people signed up than we did last time
This is like a huge work a huge opportunity a big trip and I told my whole church
I said we're gonna have weird attacks and strange attacks is any coincidence that the week right before
You know pastor Oz is just blander for no reason
Just attack for no reason. I think it's just to try and discourage people to get them distracted
Feel things about themselves. Maybe lash out and say stupid things or something
But you know it didn't work
It's not gonna work cuz honey badger don't care and honey badger
You know literally get bit by a serpent and just takes a nap wakes up good to go
Yeah, pastor. I think that Thomas Pastor Shelley. I think that
When you bring up this idea of, oh, you know,
the attack is designed to make you feel bad about yourself.
I use this all the time.
Demoralization, you know, that's the goal.
And Pastor, has it worked on you?
How are you doing?
Well, let her, let her in.
Let our enemies prove to us how much better they are with all their mission
strips and all their soul-warning efforts and kind of interesting how the
people that always want to attack us and slander us and tell us how bad they are
they never want to show us how bad we are by doing more soul-warning and better
preaching and better events so you know why don't you put up or shut up you
know the Bible says you're supposed to show your faith with your works not with
your mouth
So and you know, I don't think that it's impressing very many Christians that you're not a transvestite
I don't think that that's the only litmus that's but serving God our good Christian
I think that like actually going out and preaching the gospel the whole world
That's what actually proves whether you're not you love God and love the gospel
So, you know people that don't like us. I wish they would just get it is fired up and
Nizelus about soul winning is they are about hating on us. So, you know, that's
I'm not discouraged at all. It just helps me know I'm on the right side of things
I mean the Bible says you're blessed when people are persecuting you and falsely accusing you and
Separating you from their company. So if honestly, if it's not happening
We should be depressed if it is happening. We should feel blessed. So I'm just telling you I feel really blessed today
I mean if I have to go down in history
For not being able to go back to the Red Hat preaching conference because I preach too hard
Praise God like that's the best way to like not be invited back to a conference
Like the worst would be if they said, you know, your preaching wasn't hot enough or wasn't it was boring
It was lame or whatever if it's like too hot. I mean that's just like the coolest thing
Like, I don't even deserve a title like that, but you know, I'll wear it and I'll take it and I'm excited about the honor of Red Hot.
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I consider myself so thankful and blessed and happy to be counted among the men of God that I'm counted with, and the Christians that I'm counted with, and I'm glad that my sermons against feminism are pissing off all the right people.
because it's not godly Christians that are upset by my preaching.
It's a bunch of loudmouth, railing, gossiping pieces of trash,
people that are just that are trying to destroy the work of God,
people that are going and whispering in people's ears to turn, turn friends
against each other.
I'm glad that wicked pieces of crap like that don't like me.
And I'm glad that I'm among a bunch of godly Christians
that are about to do a great work in the Bahamas.
And, you know, Brother Hall knows,
about a month ago I preached a sermon
called a biblical mindset on missions.
And I was trying to prepare Anchor Baptist Church
and I was letting them know like,
hey, we're gonna see spiritual attacks.
This is when you really don't wanna stop reading your Bible.
You really don't wanna stop praying right now.
You really don't wanna stop souling
because we're gonna go do a great work over there.
I believe we're going to get tons and tons of people saved.
We've been praying. We've been preparing.
We're ready to go work super hard and to have some fun while we do it.
Real quick, I want to say a few things about the Bahamas.
Number one, if you're an actual racist like, you know, Nick Fuentes,
go to the Bahamas because it's a completely black country.
But people, the school children there,
wearing shirts and ties and the girls wearing dresses
and they're very respectful.
It's yes sir, yes ma'am.
I love the people there.
They pay attention to the word of God.
They're very humble.
They're so excited for you to talk to them.
It's just, it's a blessing to be able to go there.
Which goes to show that their skin color
has nothing to do with it.
What really it has to do with is culture,
which is downstream from religion.
What do they have in the Bahamas? They have the King James Bible. A lot of people are
confused about salvation there, but they still do have the King James Bible. They read the Bible.
They learn in school the Word of God. And so it's just such a great group of people to minister to.
So that'll really change your heart if you go to a place like that.
Also, I want to say a couple of funny stories that happened last time at the Bahamas all right a bunch of black people there
And obviously me and Ben are not that I'm like the whitest human that exists and Ben is this Middle Eastern
you know camel rider and
Ben and I were on the beach and he had a shirt off and the black people were just staring at him because he's such a hairy man
You know, he's like Elijah and
they just looked at Ben and one of the one of the black people was like yo nice coat man
just has no shirt on nice coat man or whatever
And then another funny story. Well, hey, there may be a see it's just real quick
There may be a sequel to that because I'm not bringing a shirt to the beach. There are you either
So we'll see if they make another comment and I've only gotten here
You have to wear two shirts to the beach
I have to wear two shirts to the beach and I've only gotten hairier since then so there we go
So I'll never forget that that was hilarious another really funny thing that happened to me is again
This is just an all-black country
I'm super white in America. Like, I stand out in America for how white I am. In the Bahamas,
it's just nuts. And so I was swimming and I had all my snorkeling gear on. I'm on the beach.
And this little black kid, someone who lives in the Bahamas, Bahamian black kid, he comes out to me
and he's like...
Are you a real life Navy SEAL?
He sees a white guy with a short haircut
and it fits the movies he's seen or something like that.
I just thought that was hilarious
because no black person is ever gonna come up to me
in the US and think I'm a big guy or whatever.
I'm five foot nine.
I'm not one of these five foot nine guys
that says I'm six foot.
No, I'm five foot nine.
I'm not a big guy.
But the Bahamians are so small.
It's weird being around black people that are small.
So like you will see you think there's a difference between Houston and the Bahamas. There's many differences between Houston
Praise God
I love you Pasareas, but hey, you know South South Dallas is not a beacon of Christianity
And it's not like a nice place to be but you know
I still like hanging out with those people and I still like going and preaching the gospel and look I live in areas
Where there's lots of black people and they're still really nice and I like even the gospel, but sure the Bahamas is a different environment
It's a lot cleaner. It's a lot nicer. Those people are very kind. It feels very safe
You know, skin color is such a non-issue and it's really, again, we need to go out and
preach the gospel to every person, even if it was a big deal.
Even if you just believe that all of them are somehow like worse than you or more dangerous.
Well, you should still give them the gospel anyways because it's just like, it doesn't
matter.
Yeah, go share your supremacy with them.
Don't yeah, but you know and again, I'm I'm not racist. I don't believe we should be racist
but I also don't think being racist is like the worst crime ever either and you know
I hate how people act like someone that even has a little bit of like a prejudice or something like that is like literally Satan incarnate
You know people that are going out and reaching the gospel that they're great people
And you know even if they were a little racist like it's better than these people that are not racist that never preach the gospel
So, you know, at the end of the day, if you're making me feel a lot better about myself, thanks.
I mean, the thing is, it's like almost everybody's kind of racist in this world,
if you, depending on what definition you have, because it's like some Asian groups hate other
Asian groups and stuff like that. And like, people don't like other people groups.
You know, that's just a distraction again.
That's another distraction from preaching the gospel.
Yeah.
We shouldn't care about that.
We're supposed to teach all nations,
even if people are different than us,
if they're bigger, taller, smarter, stronger, dumber,
whatever.
We condescend them in a low estate,
and then we also preach the cross to those that are wise.
The apostle Paul literally says that he's
supposed to be a minister under the wise
and under the barbarian.
You could argue, I mean, Paul's a Paul saying these people might be in fear of him, less civilized, more dangerous, arguably have even, you know, lower IQ possibly, but he's still gonna go preach from the gospel.
And you know what, it's silly to care about those things. Even if you thought someone was a barbarian, go give them the gospel, go love them, be kind to them.
And you know, the barbers people were really nice to do Paul.
So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
So do you give the Gospels, do you give the Gospel to Indians?
I've given the Gospel to every flavor.
Look, I, I like Indians.
We even have like a token black.
You know Moses from paperwork Baptist church. He's like he said he liked my sermon from. Yeah, it's not funny
You know, isn't that interesting someone that's actually from India that can actually speak intelligently about the country is saying like hey
everything he's saying is right and you know people need to take a shower and not be severely obese because it's just
Dangerous for them. This is not a good book and it's not good for our country
Sorry, you want to live in a country where everyone's morbidly obese and never takes a shower
I don't understand why that's cool to do, but I already work in IT, so I know what that's like to work around those people.
So I don't want a country of that.
You're, yeah, well, it's going to be an epic trip.
I'm very excited.
And what I'll be doing is taking a lot of video and.
Also some photos and my goal is to put together a recap video again and share it on
Facebook and acts and some other platforms as well
But I appreciate the opportunity to go do this Pastor Shelley and Pastor Oz
I think both of you
You're going but Pastor Shelley. I think you're you're the one who's sort of more so planning everything so I appreciate the
Appreciate the work and effort and energy that it takes in effort
I I appreciate guys letting me crash your stream. Sorry. I know it. You know, we're featured because you don't care
It's because honey badger just doesn't care. I really care
Person of high character would not come on to a stream uninvited, right?
It's it's out. Yeah, it sounds like you're you're trying to say goodbye to us here
So I'll let you go ahead and do that
But I, you know, I always get, I love getting an opportunity to give Cameron a hard time because he needs it and deserves it and it's always great to be around someone like Pastor Oz who did absolutely nothing and then actually gets the same shade that I do.
So I actually probably deserve a little bit of it. He doesn't even deserve it. So love, love my white brother, Pastor Oz. He's my whitest friend I think.
And then I love my furry friend, you know, Ben the Baptist.
Hey, John the Baptist was like Elijah, and Elijah was a very hairy man, so you're in good company there.
Here's the thing, if I'm your friend, I'm de facto your widest friend.
That's a reality so hey, you know, there's nothing wrong with white people. I love white people
So I love every I like all the colors and shapes and so I appreciate you guys. Let me crash your stream
I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce but all right. I'll see you in the Bahamas. God bless
Ben was in the Bahamas that we were flying together where we had that great airplane story. Oh
Yeah, when you texted me about how
The plane's gonna explode or we gotta tell the audience one more funny story. Okay. It's been a lot of serious things
We need some funny stories, too
So Ben as you could tell, you know, his Middle Eastern complexion here speaks Arabic
Not the type of person that you're a little, you know, uncomfortable with on an airplane. Yeah, right
Well, I was joking around because we had a bunch of faggot
Stewards or stewardess and whatever you want to call them flight attendants
a bunch of faggot flight attendants and so like me and Ben were just like are you kidding me we're
on this flight is all these faggots and so I just texted Ben as a joke I just said hey pray that the
plane crashes right and I'm joking obviously but it was as he was showing some formal sweet lady
random lady next to him he's like oh look at pictures of my family aren't they cute and all
of a sudden this message comes across that says please pray the plane crashes and then this lady's
She's like yeah, she's like she's like what is that?
And I'm like it's just my friend beings being stupid
Ben gave her a good scare there
Yeah, she saw her life flash before her eyes and looked over at me and
Invisioned a terrorist bringing down the aircraft so right
Tough deal. We'll see if something like that happens again Cameron. My name was called by you
I think you had something to say I'm gonna put you on the spot and you're not prepared for this
But I'm gonna throw it out. We've talked about this very briefly that
You talked about making a recap video for the Bahamas, but there is a potential that we may do an impromptu stream
From the Bahamas and check in we actually talked about that
So maybe folks could be I don't think that we have anything set like obviously in stone
But if we get the chance maybe folks could be on the lookout next week and kind of just watch
social media channels and if we have a chance we might just do like a a
recap
Live take questions from folks and kind of talk about our experiences
Maybe have a chance to get a bunch of people that are there before everybody flies back like on they could come on and
And just kind of give like a little one shot of what's going on
Yeah, I love to do that putting you on the spot
But maybe folks could like watch for that. So if you're not able to go to the Bahamas, obviously not everybody can go
It's a it's kind of a bigger undertaking. I understand that I didn't make the first one
So I totally get it, but you could definitely be in prayer for us. You could be in prayer for
Pastor Oz definitely being prayer for Pastor Shelley and evangelist fur who have put a ton of work into this and
Planning and like I've seen the itinerary being one of the people going and they're scheduling pickups and drop-offs
And where people are staying and who's you know, who's driving where and setting all the times
We're going to schools
Colleges different neighborhoods around. I mean, there's a lot of work that goes into this and even if you can't make it
You could at least just pray for Pastor Shelley
Pray for the soul winners that are going pray for evangelists for and just also thank them and you know
Be appreciative even if you're not there that this this great work is being done because without
Someone like pastor Shelly putting this on
mean how many people would not be getting reached it's a really selfless act and so he's just a
You know a great mentor a great role model that I'm so happy to have in my life
Even though I'm under you know, Pastor Oz now who's also the same
But I just I cannot speak highly enough of Pastor Shelley
And it just frustrates me when people come out and call him names when people slander him
But you know what let him curse. Well, you let let Jimmy I curse we're going to the Bahamas
We're going to get a lot of people save.
We're going to have a good time.
And that is the fall of the new IFB because it's October right now.
So it's this fall and we're going to get a lot of people save, right?
So, boom, the pumpkin means it is fall.
Yeah, your pump.
And then it's going to be the winter of the new IFB, and then it's going to be
the spring of the new IFB and the summer of the new IFB, too.
And next year is going to be another fall of the new IFB because it just keeps going.
That's right.
Keeps on going.
It doesn't stop.
No breaks on the train. Yeah, we didn't get to everything scheduled, but that's all right. We're out of time. We'll save it for next time
Pastor Oz thanks for coming on. I know you're busy. Appreciate you
Taking time out of your schedule to do this live stream with me here on
Victory live we had almost fun any time guys. It was great
Glad to hear that. I really have we're almost 200 viewers. So that's nice given that
Yeah, the fact that I'm banned off of YouTube and everything like that. It is combined. I'm on Facebook. I'm on axe and also on
Rumble so just search for been the Baptist if you want to follow me on those platforms, but that's it for the program tonight camera
Thanks again for
Being my co-host coming on the show,
everybody for listening, we appreciate it.
We'll see you from the Bahamas.
The hope is that we could do a stream from there
towards the end of the week and recap everything.
But if we don't get to it because of how busy
the schedule is, then we could always do it
when we get back and we'll talk about our experiences,
we'll talk about what it was like,
how many people we got saved, and who knows,
maybe there may end up being more funny stories
for us to tell.
I can almost guarantee that that's gonna happen.
with a week of all of us being at the same place
at the same time with nothing other than soul-witting
and fellowship to do for that week.
Yeah, I can guarantee there's gonna be something funny
to talk about once we get back.
So God bless everybody, appreciate your time.
We'll talk to you guys again, Pastor Oz.
God bless all the new IFB real ones out there.
The real ones.
God bless you guys, take care.
Yeah, we'll talk to you guys again soon.