So, I basically just said, you need to leave right now, I want you to leave right now,
I'm asking you to leave right now, and then I'm just like, you're leaving right now!
Yeah.
So, like, I reached out to, like, I reached out to grab this person.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, can you talk about what are some of the weirdest encounters that you've had
here at this church?
So, one time I showed up at the church building at like 5 30 a.m. because I was
getting together with some guys to go hiking, and there was this guy just dressed in all
black and he's just sitting outside the door to my office at the church building, and even,
I mean, this is like 5 30 in the morning, he's just already out there just waiting
for me.
So, I walk up to the door, the guy's just, Pastor Anderson, I've traveled, he like
holds out some train tickets showing how he'd just been traveling for the last few
days by train, which, you know, obviously, if we were in Europe or something, that'd
be a normal way to travel, but in the U.S. it's super inefficient, so it had taken
him like days to get here on, like, trains from San Francisco to here, and he's like
tearing up telling me, Pastor Anderson, you know, I've come here to give up everything,
and I'm gonna spend the rest of my life with you, I'm here to follow you, and he
starts reading me some verse about giving up everything to follow Jesus, but then he's
like applying that to how he's gonna follow me, and I'm just like, what in the world,
who is this guy?
So I just told the guy, well, hey, man, I'm sorry, I'm about to go hiking, so
see you later, you know, he just stayed, I mean, he was just here, so then I,
you know, I went, it's like, I already have plans, dude, I didn't, I don't remember
inviting you to come here and like dedicate your life to me because I'm not the Savior,
I'm not Jesus, you know, so I basically just went hiking as planned and whatever,
and then, you know, the guy was at church that night, I mean, the funny thing is,
the guy lasted at our church for like a week and a half or two weeks, and then he
quit coming after he'd give this big speech about how he's giving up everything,
and he's dedicated his entire life, he's gonna spend the rest of his life,
but I guess he thought that we were some kind of a cult that was just gonna have a program
that we could just filter him into, like, where we're just gonna keep him busy seven
days a week, I mean, our church meets three times a week, Sunday morning, Sunday night,
Wednesday night, obviously, throughout the week, we have other opportunities to go soul
winning and stuff, but we don't have like a 24-7 program to just like keep you busy,
we expect you to have like your own life outside of church, like having a job,
you know, that was super weird.
You don't have a discipleship program at your house?
No, I don't, I don't take in apprentices to shadow me all day, every day.
Well, there was just a really weird guy that came in yesterday, he was here,
but he'd been here like all week, talk about that.
Well, this guy showed up, I was gone on Wednesday night, we had a guest preacher,
so I wasn't here, but this guy showed up, and I'd already been warned about the guy
before Sunday morning that this guy was super weird, one of my staff members said that he
was crazy, and that he was nervous about the guy, and you know, I needed to be careful and
watch out, but obviously I've dealt with people like this before, because when you
have a big church, and when you have a lot of stuff on the internet, weirdos are gonna
pop up from time to time, so you know, the guy came up to me on Sunday morning,
and I just greeted him really normally, like hey man, how you doing, where you from,
good to meet you, I was really friendly to the guy, asked him some normal questions
about who he was and everything like that, but then the guy just kept kind of standing
there after I'd had this conversation with him, just kind of looking at me like expectantly,
and I didn't really understand, what does this guy want me to do?
So I just said to him like, is there something you want to talk about, you know,
is there something on your mind?
And then he just kept beating around the bush, and he kept just kind of flattering
me, just like, oh, I really love your preaching, I've wanted to meet you for so long, and
I'm just like, okay, great, but it was like, what's going on?
What's on your mind?
And then he pulls out his phone, and he had like a list of like grievances with me,
which was super weird, because first he's hitting me with all this flattery, but then
he's got these grievances, and they were all just like so stupid, like it was just
questions he wanted to ask me, his first question was like, well, do you think that
you used to preach harder than you preach now, like do you think that maybe you're
going soft, like what is that?
And I was like, I just finished preaching 10 minutes ago, I was screaming and yelling,
like how much harder do you want me to preach?
But this is something that a lot of people will try to do, they'll try to do like a
old Pastor Anderson versus new Pastor Anderson, like they expect me to be identical to
the way I was in 2006 or something.
And obviously, I started pastoring when I was 24 years old, I'm 42 now, okay, obviously
I've changed, hopefully we've all changed, hopefully we're all learning and growing,
and I think that my preaching is different now than it was at the beginning, because
frankly, it's better because I've had more experience, I've learned more, I've got
more knowledge, more wisdom, whatever.
But this guy was acting like I don't preach hard anymore, which is kind of funny, because
I just preached a sermon a couple months ago called Trash Wednesday, and it was probably
the hardest sermon I've ever preached in my life.
I mean, that was a pretty hard sermon.
But people will try to pull out stuff, oh, you don't preach as hard anymore.
But why, like, he's coming here acting like he's so happy to meet me, and then
the first thing he does is like criticize my preaching.
Then he started criticizing the fact that I preach from the pulpit about spanking children,
and that I had brought up, I guess, you know, different ways that people would spank
their kids using, like, a paddle or using, like, a belt or their hand or, you know, whatever.
And he just said, well, you know, it has to be a rod, because the Bible says a rod.
And obviously, like, when the Bible says a rod, obviously that's kind of just figuratively
speaking.
Like, what is the guy picture like?
And he's like, your parents spanking with a rod.
Like he's going to tell me about my own upbringing.
I was like, my parents spanked me with a lot of things, buddy.
But the funny thing is he was, like, confronting me about this, claiming that the only legitimate
spank is with a rod.
And I'm thinking, like, if he means like a literal rod, that doesn't even sound right
to me, you know.
Obviously, any kind of a stick or a paddle or whatever.
How many kids does he have?
So then I asked the guy, I said, how many kids do you have?
Zero.
I'm like, then you don't know Jack.
I'm like, you're going to tell me about child rearing and spanking?
You don't even have a single kid.
And then it was like everything on his list was like that.
It was just stupid, ridiculous thing after the other.
He's just going down this list.
Do you remember anything else on the list that's like memorable?
Yeah.
His other question was, why do you think more people don't yell at you while you're
preaching?
Like, why do you think more people don't just kind of like heckle you and challenge
you and fight you?
Why don't more people fight you while you're preaching?
Then I said to him, I said, well, these people are here because they like the church.
They love God.
They love the Bible.
They're enjoying the preaching.
Why would they yell at me or fight with me while I'm preaching?
And he's like, oh, well, yeah, but you know, there's all these people out there
that are mad at you and hate you.
You know, why do you think more of them don't come down here and like start a problem?
And I think the guy was just projecting because he was a weirdo who doesn't like
me that was trying to start something with me.
But I'm just thinking to myself, because normal people, when they don't like preaching,
they don't listen to it or they just don't go to that church.
They don't dedicate their lives to like, I'm going to go to this church I hate and
I'm going to make a scene and start a riot or something.
It's like, I mean, I'm trying to think of the other stuff, but the guy had like
five or six things on his list and they were all just really dumb.
He had the grievances, he wanted to let you know that he loves you, he wants to get married.
Here's the grievances I have with you before I propose.
He's going down this list of all the problems with our church.
Oh yeah, and then this is the other thing he said.
He said, I think that you just want to have a big church so that you can just boast
about how many people go soul winning.
I was like, what kind of an accusation is that?
Just out of nowhere.
And then the guy says, I was really thinking about moving out here to come to your church.
I was like, no, man, please don't move out here.
I'm like, you need to go back to Florida.
Do not come back here.
Because he went up to me and he's like, oh, Cassidy, man, I love your videos.
And then I found out through my friend that he went, the same guy went soul winning with
him and he was talking trash about me.
I'm just like, what is with this guy?
Yeah, you know, one thing that I would go back and tell my former self as far as
twenty four year old me starting a church is that back then I didn't really know how
to identify flattery like I do now.
Because back when I was twenty four, twenty five years old and first started the church,
when people would flatter me, I just thought they really loved me.
I thought I thought it was just genuine.
I thought it was the way it comes off.
Yeah, I thought it was sincere.
I thought that they were just really happy with the work that I was doing.
But now I'm to the point where I've been at this thing so long that I can spot
the flattery a mile away, like just the the the the undue praise and just the
over the top kind of like you said, I actually asked you this question in the
other video we did, but that clip got corrupt.
You said there was somebody that came into your church and they were talking
about how they love the sermon you did against Billy Graham.
But then later they were talking trash about you.
And yeah, I mean, we had a family in our church years ago where they claimed
that they first found out about the church through a sermon that I had
preached called Why Billy Graham's Going to Hell.
Yeah. And how they just love that sermon.
And it was so great.
So anyway, while these people came to our church, we found out later that first
time visitors would show up on a Sunday morning and they would literally get those
people's phone number, get their information and then call them during
the week and tell them negative things about our church and just because these
visitors would show up and they seemed really happy and excited and then they
wouldn't come back. And then we found out it was because this family was
doing this. Oh, wow.
And so they were doing all these other weird underhanded things and causing all
these problems. So then finally we ended up just throwing them out of the church
because they were just nothing but problems and just conniving and railing
and all these different things. And then literally the day after they got
thrown out, then they're posting online about how bad our church is and
saying, you know, how I just had the audacity to speak against Billy Graham,
who's this great man of God, which was totally ironic because they had
claimed that it was the Billy Graham sermon that they loved and why they
came. And then the day they got thrown out, then all of a sudden, you know,
that sermon was horrible. There was another family that we threw out of the
church and literally less than 24 hours later, they're posting like gay
pride stuff online. When while they're here, of course, they're just,
oh, yeah, they believe just like us. So we've gotten different weirdos coming
through over the years. But we have hundreds of people in our church.
Obviously, the vast majority of them are really cool people, really nice.
I mean, you've been here. You got to talk to some of the people
and everything. There's a lot of great people here. But you're going to,
of course, get the weirdos and the trolls and the infiltrators that come
through. The Flat Earthers come in sometimes. Exactly. At one at one
point, this is before I got saved. I was getting sucked into that stuff.
And I was, oh, but that's I do think that some good people can get
sucked into this stuff. But that's why it's our job as preachers to
get up and warn people and and sometimes even deliver like some stern
rebukes on these things so that people don't go off these tangents.
And I feel like like just everybody I've seen who's like super in a flat
earth, they're not saved. They believe in work salvation.
They just obviously, since they're not saved, they don't understand the Bible.
And they're just all they care about is Flat Earth and these
conspiracy theories. When I was a kid, the people who would say that the
Bible taught a flat earth were atheists because they were trying to
discredit the Bible by trying to claim that it taught all these
unscientific things. Of course, it was a bunch of baloney.
Now, all of a sudden, you have these fake so-called Christians
claiming the Bible teaches that the earth is flat. And I still
think that a lot of them are just trolling. And I think that
they're just atheistic infiltrators that are trying to discredit the
Bible by making the Bible look stupid. So they profess faith in
Christ and say, yeah, the earth is flat, just like the Bible
says. But I think this is just that same tactic of trying to
discredit the Bible, because obviously only idiots think that the
earth is flat. You know, so then they're trying to make the
Bible. At one point, I was an idiot. Well, we've all been an
idiot at one time. Well, I believed in work salvation for
that was about for about six months, because I was watching,
you know, Jeff Durbin, James White, Ray Comfort, Paul
Washer. Yeah, I feel so we've all been idiots at one point
or another. I feel bad. Um, okay. And then there was another
encounter that actually I think there's two more kind of funny
encounters you talked about in sermons. There was one where
you said the guy came up to you. He's like a younger guy,
early twenties or something like that. You came up to you
and he was wanting to be a pastor. But then, like, you
didn't give him the answer that like he wanted. So he
basically got triggered at you. He left the church, then
he made a post on Facebook asking how he can become an
alpha male. Well, I think I do think I remember that
situation that you're referring to want to get in the
politics and stuff. Yeah. And really, that guy is like a
lot of people. A lot of people are what I call sick of
fans. And I don't know what that is. Let me back up and
explain. I do remember that situation. Yeah. And a lot of
these guys are just sick of fans. And what it is is that
they want. All right. I do remember like, I'll show you
pastor. I'm gonna go ask. I do remember that situation.
Yeah. I do remember that situation that you're talking
about. And it was one of these guys that just he. Sorry,
I'm gonna start over. That's just so funny. That's gotta be
embarrassing. I do remember. I do remember that that guy
that you're talking about. And I'll tell you what it
was. It was that this guy wanted to be a pastor. He
wanted me to train him to be a pastor. But he was single.
Like he didn't even have a serious girlfriend, let alone
a wife, let alone a family, let alone kids. And I just
have a policy that I'm not gonna train someone to be a
pastor if they don't even have a family yet. Because
they're not even to first base yet. Because the
biblical qualification, they have to have a wife, they have
to have children. And so if they're not even married,
like they're so far from pastoring, I'm not gonna waste
my time training somebody who's probably not gonna pan out
anyway. Because let's face it, a lot of guys when
they're single, they want to be a pastor. Once they get
married, have a couple kids, they settle down, they
get comfortable, and they no longer want to be a pastor.
Yeah. So I don't want to put a bunch of training into
somebody that's not even for sure. For sure. Yeah. So
then this guy, you know, he didn't like that. Because I
think he was just one of these people that just really
wanted to spend a lot of time with me, you know, kind
of one of these sycophantic type of people that just
wants to be this hanger on and wants you to just give
them all this attention or something. Obviously, I
have, you know, about 400 church members. Yeah. So I
can't just give out all this attention to everyone.
It's just not going to work. And so this guy was
offended, and he left. And then like a few weeks or
months later on Facebook, he posts on there. Yeah.
Hey, does anybody have any tips on how I can become
an alpha male? Yeah, you know, everybody was just
kind of roasted. Yeah, like, tip number one, don't go
on social media asking how you can become the alpha
male. I think that this whole fascination with being
the alpha male is just kind of stupid anyway, right?
Obviously, our society today is just driven by
pride and ego. And as Christians, we shouldn't just
have that desire to be the greatest and the best
and the center of attention. Hey, look at me, I
walk into a room and, you know, everybody just
stops stops. And look, my grandpa was,
what I would consider like the alpha male type where he
kind of would just dominate whatever room he's in and so
forth. And I kind of feel like some people are just
born with that kind of charisma or that kind of
ability. Right. And, you know, the rest of us don't
need to sit around like trying to figure out how to
crack the code or something. Obviously, just be
happy with who God made you just live your life. You
don't have to be number one center of attention. You
know, the bad dude or the red pill, the red pill
community teaches. Is that like, what, like the
MGTOW in pretty, pretty much. Okay. Yeah. And
like, it's like the same people who watch Andrew
Tate. And it was funny, there was this, like a
podcast in this one guy in the red pill community
that they love, they look up to this girl on the
podcast says, so, you know, why don't you just
have, you know, one wife? He's like, just not
wired that way. And you're really pissing me off
right now. Like he was mad that he got questioned
obviously, but yeah, he's not wired that way. He
has to have at least 10 girlfriends. Yeah. But
I think that, I think that biologically we're
all wired with that same sinful nature that
would want to go out and commit a bunch of
fornication and commit a bunch of adultery.
That's why those things are so common is
because we're all wired that way. But the
Bible tells us that we need to put off the
works of the flesh, put on the new man, walk
in the spirit. And so through the power of the
Holy Spirit, we're supposed to transcend our
wiring. We're supposed to transcend our biology
and live right. Right. One man, one woman
doesn't mean that you're never going to be
tempted or something. We're all human, but you
overcome that temptation. You do what's right in
spite of your sinful flesh, your sinful
nature. Yeah. He's the only one that's wired
that way. Yeah. He's just this, you know, sexual
Tyrannosaurus rex or something, right? He said in
this, it was like an Instagram short I saw. He's
like, yeah, you and me, uh, these girls, they
hit me up and they all got their profile
picture, their gay ass little, uh, picture with
them and their family. They hit me up. Like
they want to hook up and stuff, but I
always tell them no, it's wrong. Who is this? I
think his name is Justin Waller. He's like, but
friends with Andrew Tate. Yeah. Obviously these
guys are just kind of overcompensating. They're
just insecure. And so they have to
overcompensate, Hey, look at me. Look how
much of an alpha male I am or whatever. Yeah.
It's obviously just vanity and pride and
stupidity. It's immature. Like when I post the
clip of you and uh, you are, you were
preaching against Andrew Tate and everybody's
like, Oh man, like he's just hates on Andrew
Tate or like, I think maybe they said like
you're a liberal or something. Well, I do hate
Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate's trash. Yeah. Yeah. He
isn't, he saved. No, I'm just kidding. I'm
going off topic. Hey, no, there was a, another
guy you said he showed up to the church and
he said, I came a long way to see you. We
got a lot to talk about. What's up with that
guy? Oh man. So one time this guy shows up and
it was just kind of the wrong day anyway because
we showed up and like a pipe had burst. So like
part of our church was flooded and we were
like, so we were like trying to dry it out.
We had like fans going and we were trying to
suck it up with like a vacuum thing or
something. It wasn't that big of a deal, but
we was just kind of a hectic morning. This guy
shows up that looked like a homeless person and
he says, I've come a long way to see you and
I've got a lot to talk about. And I was like,
well, I'm busy. But anyway, this was what was
so funny is I asked him, well, where did you
come from? I expected him to say like that he
came from like the East coast of the United
States or something. It turned out he literally
came from Tempe to Tempe. He's like, oh, I'm
from college and McClintock. He named streets
that were literally like three and a half or
four miles away. That was the long way. But I
guess just because he came on foot, you know,
four miles was such a long way. But this is
what's always funny is people think that if they
come from a long way, like people, let's say,
who do come from thousands of miles away, they
think that I just like owe them like Florida, an
audience like Florida or something like I just
have to spend all this time with them. And
then what's funny is that if I'm not able to
give people the time that they want, then this
will do. I've listened to thousands of hours. I
listen. Oh, well, in that case, here, let me
just clear my whole schedule like they think that
somehow that just entitles them to just, you know,
tell me that I have to sit there and listen to
them, talk to them, get together with them,
spend time with them. And here's the normal
people. You know, they come to church and they
want to worship God. They want to hear the
preaching of God's word. They want to learn
things. They don't just desire this really close
relationship with the pastor. There are
hundreds of people in the church and people
find their own friends and, you know, they
meet other people and there are tons of
opportunities for friendships. But then there's
these people that just, they literally move
here to become my buddy. Yeah. And they'll
even ask you like, how do I get into
Pastor Anderson's inner circle or how can I get
like close to anything? There are some people
in the church that I'm close with or that I
have a personal friendship with, but it's not
because they just, you know, really wanted to
get in there. It's more just because I just
happened to hit it off with those people, right?
You know, sometimes you get around certain
people and you just hit it off and you
just have chemistry with certain people, other
people, not so much. Or maybe you have a
common interest. But these weirdos, the
sycophants will just try to like force
themselves on me and on my family. We've even
had people come here and just really try to
get like their kids romantically involved with my
kids. And it's horrible. That's weird. Did the
guy ever like tell you what he wanted to talk
about? It was something totally stupid. It wasn't
it wasn't intelligent enough for me to
remember years later. It was just it was
something stupid. The guy was a literal
homeless person. He'd come three or four miles
and he just expected me to just spend hours
talking about whatever with him. I mean,
obviously I gave him the gospel, but I don't
remember what he wanted to talk about. Did he
get saved? No. Dang, that's crazy. Let's see
here. Why do you why do you think it is
that people are so obsessed with
homosexuals and loving them? Well, I think it's
just because the media has been programming
them that way because why would it even be on
their mind so much? Why would this be such an
important issue to them? It's really just
because TV, books, movies, magazines,
everything is just pushing it so hard. You
know, I was even talking to an author recently
and they were told by their publisher agent or
whatever like, hey, you know, if you want this
book to sell, you're going to need to put in
some homo characters or you're going to need
to put in some of this and some of that
because there are just certain agendas that are
being pushed right now. And that's what these
publishers, that's what these big
corporations want. I don't think that the
public just really wants to see more homos on
TV. I think it's just that that's what the
agenda is. And so obviously, if you're
constantly hearing about something and see, you
know, the Bible says we cannot help, but
speak the things that we've seen and heard.
Yeah. And so I think people are obsessed with
that topic because they're constantly seeing
it and hearing about it. And then people
will get mad at preachers for preaching
about it a lot. But the reason preachers are
preaching about it a lot is because they keep
keep being confronted with it. Yeah. So then
it's on their mind like, hey, we need to
fight against this garbage because it's being
crammed down their throat all the time, you
know, by all these media outlets. And then a
lot of people, they get mad at you because
you don't allow homosexuals in the church.
Now, I'm sorry, I don't know why they care
that you don't allow them in, but why don't
you? Well, because they're dangerous
predators. Why would I allow these dangerous
predators to be here around children? I mean,
even the world would say, oh, if this person
is a sex offender, they can't come within this
many feet of children or of a school or
something. Well, guess what? These homos are a
bunch of pedophiles. So I don't want them
around my children. I don't want them around
the other children in the church and so forth.
Not only that, no homo is coming to this
church for any good reason. There's no homo
that wants to come here because they love
the Lord and love the Bible and love the
preaching. They would only be coming here to
cause problems. So why would I allow that?
Right. And you know, it's it's with these
people. That's always like the hang up with
you. It's like, oh, he doesn't love the
homosexuals. Oh, and then he's King James
only. So those are like the two things I
think really that trigger people about you.
Oh, and then you don't believe in
repentance. Well, of course I believe in
repentance. I just don't believe in repenting
of your sins for salvation because salvation
is by faith. It's not of works. And guess
what? Repenting of your sins is a lot of
work. Every day we work on that. Yeah, it's
not easy. It's definitely work. And so the
Bible doesn't require good works or abstaining
from sin in order to be saved. Or we'd all be
going to hell because we're all sinners. We
all come short of the glory of God. It's by
faith alone that we're saved. But like this,
we had this one, we had this one, like some
kind of a transvestite come to our church one
time. Like, I don't know, sometimes with
these trannies, it's, you don't know
whether they're coming or going. I don't know
if it was a man becoming a woman or vice
versa, whatever it was. I think it was like, I
don't know. But anyway, somebody told me, Hey,
this, this person's here. They're saying
that they're a transgender or whatever. So I
followed the protocol, which is basically the
police told me that if we, you know, want to
throw someone out, we just have to ask them
nicely to leave twice and then we can just use
whatever force to remove them. Yeah. So I
basically just said, you need to leave right
now. I want you to leave right now. I'm asking
you to leave right now. And then I'm just like,
you're leaving right now. Yeah. So like I
reached out to like, I reached out to grab
this person. Yeah. Okay. To, to, to remove
them, you know, cause bouncers do this every
single day in bars or whatever. Right. So I
was asked this personally, they wouldn't leave.
So Hey, I even use the right pronoun. They, it
wouldn't leave. And so I reached out, I go to
grab this thing and it like stepped back. So I
ended up just grabbing the shirt. Yeah. And
then I just pulled and just every button came
up, like this just opened it and just like all
the buttons came. So then I just grabbed, I
grabbed it and just, you know, ran it to the
door, send it out the door. And then it called
the police and claimed that I injured it or
something. But then the, but then the police
came and the, you know, the police sided with
us and said, well, you know, you asked this
person to leave. They wouldn't leave you. I think
if that was in Texas, they would have sided
with them. Absolutely. And I asked, I asked the
police, I said, is there something that you
want us to do differently when we have these
people? Because these people come in here to
start trouble and they're perverts and we don't
allow them and whatever. And they come here to
do this, you know, should, should we have a
guy that's wearing like a uniform that says
security do it, or is it okay if I just do
it myself? And they said it was fine if I just
did it myself. They don't, we don't need that
necessarily. I said, it's your property. And if
you're asking someone to leave because they're
a disturbance, you know, then they have to
leave. And the reason that I would often like
to do it myself is just because I knew that
like, if something went wrong, if I got in
trouble, like if I have to spend the night in
jail or something, it's okay because I don't
have a secular job to go to in the morning.
You know, I don't want to mess up somebody
else's day or whatever. Now I have staff to
help me out and everything. So, okay. That's
an interest, but I just thought it was funny
because then I totally forgot that that had
even happened. Yeah. But then the next day I
was walking around the church building and
there's just this little pile of buttons. I just
burst out laughing. Was it pretty obvious though
that it was the trans? I don't really remember
to be honest. No, no, it wasn't obvious.
Yeah. I don't remember what it looked like,
but it wasn't obvious because if it would have
been obvious then, you know, obviously we would
have just taken care of it right away. Like
somebody had talked to it and told me like, hey,
this person's going around and talking to kids
and they're saying that they're a tranny and
stuff. So yes, weird. So then I went over and
ejected it. But it was just, the funny thing
was the next day, just finding like this little
pile of buttons. Cause cause I was trying to
grab it, its shoulder and kind of like, you
know, but I missed because it moved and then I
just accidentally grabbed the shirt and just
like pop, pop, pop, pop. Right. It was
hilarious. Oh my gosh. What are your thoughts
on Jeff Durbin? You know, especially
considering that his church is actually in your
area. I mean, I have no respect for Jeff
Durbin. I think he's one of the worst
pastors out there. He teaches a thinly veiled
workspace salvation because he's one of these
Lordship salvation guys. Calvinist, he's
using the wrong Bible version. He's got the
ESV and then he always has all these weird,
like edgy things going on at his church. Like
they were like rewarding people in their church
with like beer flights. And they were like
having a tattoo parlor in the church where
they were like fundraising for the church by
tattooing people. When obviously the Bible says
thou shall not print any marks upon thee. And
this one guy in the promo video is like, oh,
I'm getting a dirty Trinity tattoo. Like what
kind of weird, stupid blasphemous thing is that
dirty Trinity tattoo or dirty Durbin. Yeah. Dirty
Durbin. Exactly. I mean, he, he drinks hard
liquor. He is, uh, he was kicked out of the
Marine Corps for saying that he was a
homosexual, you know, and, and I, you know, I
talked to a lot of people from that era in
the Marine Corps and they, they said it was
pretty hard to get kicked out of the Marine
Corps for being a homo because apparently a lot
of people would just claim to be a homo, but
they weren't because they just didn't want to
deploy or they just, they were just looking
for a way out. And so typically the answer
what, and I'm not going to, you know, get
offensive or graphic, but from the people that
I talked to, the answer was typically
something along the lines of, well, you're
going to prove that to me right now, you
know, or something like that, something weird
like that, you know, these drill
instructors are. And so, you know, obviously
the guy has no business being a pastor. He's
an evil false prophet. Is he a closet homo? I
mean, he claimed to be a homo. That's how he
got discharged from the military. And obviously,
you know, he doesn't teach any truth that I've
ever heard. Everything I've heard him teaching
was trash. Yeah. So that's why we call him
dirt bin. That's right. Like sometimes I call
him Jeff bourbon bourbon. Yeah, I've heard
multiple, he's got multiple nicknames and then
why do you think Lordship even Jeff
Durban, obviously he preaches Lordship
salvation. Why do you think it is that
Lordship salvation is so popular?
Because people are inherently prideful. And so
they want to take credit for their salvation.
And so they think that they're better than
someone else. I'm going to heaven because I gave
up these sins or made Jesus the Lord of my
life. Whereas this guy over here, who's not
living right, he's going to hell because he
didn't repent of his sins. It's just pride
that wants to take credit for their salvation.
When salvation is just by faith, we all
deserve to go to hell. And it's just by
trusting Jesus that we're saved. And the funny
thing is these Calvinists, they act like, oh,
we're not taking credit because you know, it's
all God. He did everything. But this is how
they say, well, God chose me, you know, so
they're the special chosen one. And that's
why they're so righteous. And they've turned
from all their sins and everything. So even
though on the surface, Calvinism claims to be so
humble and giving God all the glory, it ends
up being super prideful. Like, oh, I'm the
special chosen one. And that's why I'm so
godly. And these other people, they didn't
repent of their sins like I did. Whereas what
we believe is that, you know, hey, we're all
sinners. None of us deserves heaven. But by
believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, we got
that free gift of salvation.
Yeah. So in in Second Timothy, chapter three,
it talks about people departing from the faith.
What do you think that means exactly? Because
people will say that means that you can lose
your salvation.
Yeah, I think they're reading it wrong when
it says that in the latter times, some shall
depart from the faith. It's not talking about
someone who's, you know, saved, and they're in
the faith, and then they're gonna depart the
faith or leave. What it's saying is that
there are going to be people who take
Christianity and twisted and take it off the
rails, they're gonna, they're gonna depart
from true doctrine, you know, instead of
staying with the biblical tried and true
doctrine, they're gonna basically depart from
that they're gonna deviate from that. It's
not saying that, oh, they were there, and
now they're departing from the faith. It's
just saying that they are getting away from
biblical doctrine. So in the latter time, some
people are going to get away from biblical
doctrine, and they're going to teach these
doctrines of devils, forbidding to marry,
commanding to abstain from the church. Yeah,
I mean, because if you think about it, they
command all their priests and bishops to be
celibate. Yeah, which the Bible teaches the
opposite. The bishop must be the husband of one
wife. They teach he can't be the husband of one
wife, commanding to abstain from meats. And a
lot of that could be also because I don't
think it's just talking about one group. Yeah,
I think there are all kinds of doctrines of
devils out there. What about this commanding
to abstain from meats? You have a lot of
people now that are Judaizers trying to bring
us back onto the Old Testament law and saying
that we can't eat pork and we can't eat
shellfish. The Hebrew roots movement or the
Judaizers or stuff like that. Yeah, OK. Yeah,
because I only see people using that verse to
say, oh, look, you can lose your salvation.
I've seen preachers get up and talk about
how you can do this, this and this and still
go to hell. Look, Judas went to hell, but he
didn't believe in John Chapter six. Yeah, it's
always bizarre. Sometimes people will try to
bring up Judas as an example of losing your
salvation. Yeah, but then Jesus literally says in
John Chapter six, knew from the beginning who it
was who didn't believe in him and who would
betray him. Jesus knew from the beginning that
he did not believe in him. And he says, Have
not I chosen you twelve and one of you is a
devil? And it says he knew that from the
beginning. He did that on purpose so that the
scripture would be fulfilled. He picked a
disciple that he knew was a bad guy that was
going to betray him because obviously it was
always the plan for him to die on the cross
and be buried and rise again. Right. Amen. And
then, you know, the verses that I notice people
only throw at me when, you know, I'm trying to
give the gospel like if they don't agree with
me, they'll throw James two or they'll throw,
you know, Matthew seven twenty one. But if
somebody's throwing James two at you, like
what's the best response? I think just the
best quickest response is to compare James two
with Romans Chapter four, because in Romans
Chapter four, it says, Well, if Abraham were
justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but
not before God. For what sayeth the scripture
Abraham believed God and it was counted in him
for righteousness. And so what James two is
talking about is being justified before man.
That's why it's talking about people looking at
you and saying, Well, show me your faith without
your works. So James two is talking about being
justified in the sight of man, but in the
sight of God, no one is justified by works.
We're only justified by faith, but we can't
really be justified by faith in the sight of man
because man can't really see our faith. All
man can see is just our actions. And so
Romans four, the first eight verses just
completely clear up any confusion about what
James two is talking about. A lot of people
like to use Matthew Chapter seven verses 21
through 23 to prove work salvation. Like, what
would your response be? Well, I find that
really ironic since the people who are getting
cast into hell are literally saying, Lord, Lord,
have we not done these many wonderful works?
And then will I profess them? I never knew
you depart from me that work iniquity because
the unsaved person who doesn't believe in
Christ, the good works that they're supposedly
doing, Christ looks at those as works of
iniquity, you know? And so the idea here is
that I never knew you means that these aren't
people who were saved and lost their
salvation. He said, I never knew you. Yeah, no
one can lose their salvation. If somebody
goes to hell, it's because he never knew
them. And also they're claiming, Lord, we've
done all these wonderful works. Think about
it. If you got to the gates of heaven and
say, Peter is telling you, Hey, man, you
know, depart from me. And Jesus is telling
you, depart from me. Would you say like,
what about all the works I did? No. What
would you say? You'd say, Hey, I believed
in Jesus Christ. What's going on? John 3 16.
Is that what those people are saying in
Matthew seven? No, because they don't believe
it's by faith. They're trusting in themselves.
All the works that they've done. What's
funny to me is when I see preachers talk
about that is the reason that they they're
using why these people didn't make it to
heaven is because they didn't have that
relationship. Oh, because he says, I never
knew you. So they didn't have that, you
know, I'm like, okay, so can you tell me? I
mean, that's, that's just, that's stupid
because that's like, I guess they're
interpreting like, Hey, I just didn't really
get to know you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now
that's good enough. Yeah. Obviously, once
you believe on Jesus Christ, you're his
child. That's the relationship you need is
he's your father. You're his son. That's
the only relationship. If it were like, you
got to have a relationship, that'd be a
lot of work. Yeah. Because think about the
relationships that we have in life. They
all take work. Your relationship with your
spouse, your children, your parents, that
all takes work. Well, guess what? We're
not saved by works. We're just saved by
believing in Jesus. We're saved by faith.
Believing. That's it. That's absolutely
it. But to him that worketh not, but
believeth on him that justified the
ungodly, his faith is counted for
righteousness. I mean, Romans four, five is
the best verse that just says, you're not
working, but you believe you're saved. You
know, what's funny. I literally gave that
verse to somebody. And then this guy says,
where does it say in the Bible that
believing is not at work. I'm like, Romans
four, five. It says that it's not, it's
stupid because like the famous verse for
by grace are you saved through faith and
that not of yourselves, it is the gift
of God, not of works, lest any man
should boast. So you are saved by faith.
You're not saved by works. So apparently
faith isn't works. Cause faith saves you,
works don't. Yeah. God gives you the
faith and the repentance. No. Well, did
you see the verse where Jesus, Jesus
marveled at the fact that he forgot how
much faith he gave somebody, he was
like, wow, I forgot. I guess it's blown
away by this guy's faith. Like, oh,
that's right. I did give this guy a
ton of faith. I mean, by the way, a
lot of people will take Ephesians two
eight, where it says for by grace, are
you saved through faith and the not of
yourselves? It is the gift of God. They
think that it is the faith. Like it is
the gift of God is the faith. Yeah. It
isn't okay. First of all, in the
Greek new Testament, that's literally
impossible because faith is feminine.
And the, it, there is neuter. They
don't match, but I never even just
reading it in English. I never would
have come up with that too, because
it's clear that salvation is the gift
of God. Roman six 23, two. Exactly.
Eternal life is the gift of God.
Salvation is the gift of God, but
the people who are claiming that faith
is the gift in Ephesians two eight
are claiming an interpretation. That's
literally impossible in Greek because
in Greek, the genders don't even
match. Right. So, okay.