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when the Ron Paul campaign was going on I interviewed him back then and so I
appreciate him doing the interview for us today it's he hasn't changed a bit he
still looks the exact same and he's still you know fighting for our
constitutional rights and so he's we're gonna be talking about the coronavirus
we're gonna be talking about the lockdowns today we're gonna be even
getting into a little bit of the the George Floyd situation that's happening
in Minnesota so I I just will just briefly discuss that at the end of the
stream I'm kind of curious to see his opinion and everything that's going on
in Minnesota right now the riots alluding and talk with him about that as
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Logan in the house today so very exciting to have finally get Logan back
in the studio yeah and so let's go to Dustin Dustin are you excited to talk
with the sheriff today yeah you know how I've talked about sheriff's and how they
have a lot more power than people realize so I just think it's pretty cool
we get a chance to talk to this guy and find out what he's because he's the type
of guy that knows about that power and would exercise it so he just so you guys
know he has successfully sued the I think the Clint the Clinton
administration I don't know exactly the details of that yeah he took it to the
Supreme Court and one yeah but oh yeah so I got some nice hot coffee here today
I burned myself making the coffee over the hot steaming kettle and I put some
DMSO on it so it's actually just you know I just did it for an experiment I
mean not I mean I did it by accident and it burned and it hurts and I wish I
hadn't done it but since it happened I put some of the DMSO on it and I burned
myself a little while ago and I used the DMSO and it it did a really good job of
help of healing it so I don't usually make those types of mistakes but you
know if you do make a mistake like that it's good to have some DMSO on hand and
we happen to have a whole shelf of it here so we're gonna talk to you know to
say former sheriff I don't know if that's proper because you're still
calling presidents mr. president do they still does he still get the the honor
yeah I don't know here that says I'm gonna say yes yeah he's gonna call Joe
Arpaio Joe Arpaio call him Sheriff Joe yeah yeah yeah they earned it yeah well
we'll call him share I don't want to say former because you know yeah yeah so
we'll just call him sheriff Mac so he's the sheriff of or he you know he was the
sheriff he's retired now of a small little County called Graham County so
we've got my screen here and so Graham County is about I don't even know how
many miles would you say it is it's east of Phoenix so actually this is New
Mexico this line going down here so it looks like it's pretty close is that New
Mexico right there that line yeah so you know it's pretty far from Phoenix but
it's a small little County out there I don't think there's much going out there
maybe some mining and stuff but but he had that office and he used that office
to exercise the the powers of the sheriff that the Constitution lays out
and you know I listened to some interviews from him earlier and he seems
like a really solid guy he's a constitutional guy he he believes that
the Constitution's not enforced and that's the problem and if we enforce the
Constitution then we wouldn't be in the problems that we are so we're going to
talk to him about that I want to ask him some questions as to maybe so just to
educate our listening audience at home what the true powers of a sheriff is and
and what's happened all because that's what happens these guys they cuck they
they just they become politicians they work their way up they rub elbows they
they make friends with people who endorse them into office and so I think
a lot of them are not necessarily in the law enforcement side of the job but more
maybe it's more a political thing so I want to ask him some questions about
that and you know what's happened to the office of the sheriff because according
to him the sheriff is the most powerful position in the county which I didn't
understand entirely so it's the most powerful you have County executives but
I think the sheriff is like the real the real boss yeah haven't you seen the
movies man where they they go to the sheriff yeah like this is my territory
this is my town get out of my town right so yeah so we're gonna talk to him find
out what the sheriff's doing up there in Minneapolis cuz I'm sure they've got a
sheriff up there and and find out maybe what's the difference between like your
peace officers your police departments and the sheriff's office I think I think
the police officers those police departments are corporate entities if
you yeah that they're actually like structured as corporate things so as
opposed to an elected office so we're gonna talk to him about that and find
out what he's got to say about that pastor Tommy McMurtry's in the chat he
threw a question there I made notes on we're gonna ask him about a you know
whether somebody who's a store owner or if there's police witnessing looting
smashing and that kind of stuff if like where the line is with shooting these
people I don't know if he was entirely serious why not shoot looters I think is
this question and yeah can store owners shoot looters which I don't know if
there's a justifiable use of force around property but I don't know to done
is in the chat to done wants to talk about watch Rambo first blood so I
remember that I watched Rambo when it when it pretty much came out so yeah so
Rambo what do you know about Rambo Logan
what he's gone alright 1982 and I think I probably watched that in 1982 Rambo
tell you what kind of upbringing I had I watched Rambo first blood in like yeah
1982 I don't maybe 83 hasn't seen that movie yeah but I was like seven eight
watching that stuff I don't think it was that bad I just remember him sewing
himself up you know so I mentally prepared myself if I ever had to do that
you know and I didn't know that was an option so I was able to watch Rambo and
learn a little emergency first aid there so where were we here so yeah talking
about this is an interesting thing I want to check out later here it is the
Republic of the United States in the act of 1871 I pulled that up now you guys
want to check that out that's kind of goes back to what I was saying about
those the the whole corporate buildup of our political system you know so I
think that's a big a big element that's that's changed the way our country moves
and not that it's constitutional republic like it used to be but it's
more of this democratic yeah I don't even know what what I don't want to get
into it but well there's a corporate structure now well I want to talk with
the sheriff about all the riots that are happening right now I when we when I
booked this interview I didn't tell him that's what we'd be talking about but
it's something that I really want to talk to him about especially in light of
what's happening I think it'd be perfect to talk to you yeah so that is a banning
so just so orange blood I got to teach him how to moderate that's a banning
orange blood he timed out this guy he was a real jerk so um let's see what
else he said okay yeah all right yeah sheriff the guy made a good comment this
guy a sheriff is elected but not correctly spelled by the people and only
answers to the people not the president or mayor at extension I think it meant
to be etc but it's ext yeah so what do you know Paul so we got this riot thing
going on and there's some cool videos out there one video I saw was right up
my alley where this guy goes up to I guess it was an auto zone maybe maybe
Auto Zone's just on the mine but he goes up to a storefront with the big windows
and he's got an umbrella anybody see that oh yeah the the cop or whatever well
I don't know how do they know he's a cop well because I don't know but did you
see the text messages back and forth with the people that knew him no like an
ex-girlfriend or something oh really yeah she was like that's him and stuff
I'll pull that up yeah that's we'll pull that up after the interview we're trying
to get him on the line so what where is this I okay so did this happen in
Milwaukee Wisconsin when did this what where did this minute Minneapolis I mean
Minnesota I'm sorry okay so hold on the guy's name was Floyd was his first name
George yeah George Floyd FL or YD well actually just put in George and it
pretty much comes up the top story so Floyd this guy was killed I heard about
the other day he was killed in so I heard about this talk about this guy you
know how he was being sat on the knee of the officer was on the guy and the guy
was saying and I never saw this but they the guy was saying I can't breathe I
can't breathe I don't know if the guy I guess maybe went to the hospital or
something and he died somewhere after being arrested I don't know the whole
story I don't know what he was being arrested for does anybody know no Logan
sorry we're busy up here man that's doing up there why is there curtain up
there why is there curtain now you guys I'm all alone down here so anybody in
the chat help me out okay so we're talking about this guy that was a police
officer officer so apparently all right so there's a delay so it takes me a
little time to get the chat to bring up what we're talking about so so if you
guys can tell me what the guy was charged with a forgery that's right he
had a fake $20 bill counter front money okay so yes gas mask umbrella and he
busted the windows there's okay so there's protests happening in Milwaukee
and I guess Javier Ramos is in Milwaukee rumor has it he was hired to advance the
riot and didn't I say that isn't that I nailed that a long time ago it still
stings but it's not really swollen so I called it a long time ago I thought it
would be like they were trying to provoke the people but I think what they
can do is is they try to work the people up so they get them into you know it's
just like my uncle used to come over and have dinner or something and then
when it would be bedtime or something we'd all like end up wrestling and my
mom would get so mad at my uncle because we would he would get us all worked up
you know and then we couldn't settle down and and so this whole kovat 19 this
whole certificate of that vaccination identification program has created this
thing where people are anxious and there's anxiety okay so is he calling
are you gonna answer it up there I'm gonna answer okay so it creates this
this tension there's like this pending tension that's that's happening and then
it takes like this this whole well they make it a racial thing so they get like
it's like listen I don't I don't know why the black community likes to do it
so much I mean there's plenty of white people doing it too but it just seems
like that's part of their thing where they just really like to smash the stuff
and take it man I don't know why but then they but it seems like that's their
cue like when a white cop kills a black guy then they all just got to go into
the store and take whatever they want out of the target yeah I don't think it
matters what color is it's just a it's just a jerk cop no but the thing is
that's the narrative that's that is the narrative yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't
even know and for what I what I heard is that the the cop and the the alleged
victim because that's how they like to do it the alleged afford forger that he
they knew each other that they work together yeah at a at a nightclub or
something as security so well I'm gonna we're getting them on right now do you
have the bio set up Dustin down there all right very good well we are almost
there so you can do it very soon is he gonna be skyping we're gonna have video
we're gonna have we got we got him on Skype so why don't why can't he look at
somebody I always find that awkward but you know me if he's okay with he's a pro
so yeah so apparently this guy they work together they knew each other they might
have had some bad blood but I don't yeah whatever is on the news all right so
we've got sheriff Richard Mack here on the line you might have heard of him
before he was successful in leading a Supreme Court case against the Clinton
administration I believe around the Brady bill and he challenged that and
brought it all the way the Supreme Court and won that victory for state
sovereignty is an author of several books on freedom government and gun
control he's a consultant on constitutional issues tea tea party
activists public speaker crusader for Liberty and a trainer in constitutional
issues for law enforcement sheriff Mack thank you very much for coming on the
show with us my name is Dustin I appreciate you taking the time to join
us tonight well thanks Dustin I appreciate being on your show and thanks
for having me well it's an honor I've yeah it's just you want a Supreme Court
case I mean I think that's the first thing we want to talk about you were a
sheriff here I already told the people listening at home a game a little bit
about Graham County and how you you served as the sheriff in Graham County
which is about what about an hour and a half east of Phoenix generally two and a
half okay and so you're about two and a half hours east there and it's a small
county but it's it's larger it's not as big as obviously Maricopa but it's it's
it's it's not a very densely populated County but how did you get yourself in a
lawsuit against the Clinton administration well that's an amazing
story and as you said it was regarding the Brady bill and the Brady bill of
course was never transparent what it really was about and what it really did
we never heard that from the Clinton administration until after it was passed
and it was trying to be implemented and I was at a sheriff's association meeting
on January 21st 1994 I was the youngest sheriff in the state at the time and
three agents of the B ATF were at the meeting and they came there specifically
to hand us a 25 page document that detailed now get this that detailed our
marching orders from the federal government from the president and the
United States Congress telling us what we had to do to comply with enforcing
the Brady bill now if you'll recall the Brady bill was a gun control scheme
promoted mostly by Sarah Brady handgun control incorporated and some other gun
control groups across the country but Sarah Brady led the way because her
husband was shot in the head and was paralyzed for life at the assassination
attempt on Ronald Reagan in March of 1981 he had only been president three
months and so after that she really promoted gun control and that's why it
was named the Brady bill after her husband and this was the first time in
American history that a federal law commandeered the office of sheriff for
federal bidding without any negotiation without any funding and believe me I
wouldn't have done it even I had been funded but you would have thought they
would if they're gonna force us to do it and I say force because this was also
the first time that they tried to commandeer the sheriff's but also told
us if we did not comply if we did not cooperate they would arrest us and I'm
not making that up this is all true it's documented within the bill itself I
have it documented in my presentation and I have a little booklet it's called
the victory for state sovereignty which is a highlighted version of the Supreme
Court decision and every American should read this book it's only 16 pages it
fits right in your little pocket see how nicely that fits in my pocket but
everybody should have this and it because it's such a miraculous case
where can we get one of those just not get off topic but since you brought it
up yes well you know that's that's where I wanted to go anyway so okay see us poa
dot org see s poa dot org and there's two things here you can get all my books
there you should be getting these and the county sheriff America's last hope
and you should be taking these to your favorite public official definitely your
sheriff but every citizen should read this and no one understand what it does
and and what it said and what it did for America it's the most powerful 10th
amendment state sovereignty local autonomy case in the history of our
country and some people even say it's one of the most powerful decisions ever
what's the name of the case it's Mac dash Prince and Sheriff Prince was from
Montana and I was the other sheriff and from Arizona we were both at the Supreme
Court together I filed first he filed second and his last name is PR I and T
Z so Mac you could Google Mac V US or Prince V US it'll come up but I condensed
it to where this is only the highlights and so it'll save you a lot of time if
you want to get to the meat of the good stuff this is it so they bring you the
Brady bill that's when they started introducing the waiting the handgun
waiting period is that right yeah okay period in the background checks and and
all the monitoring and and then the sheriff had to do all of that at our own
expense I had to do it with my own budget and then if I decline somebody I
had to go through the process of showing that the person why they were declined
and really it gave no recourse if somebody was declined and I I didn't
want that kind of power the the Second Amendment is clear that the people have
the right to keep and bear arms and the founding fathers knew what they were
talking about when they did that because they said to maintain a free society it
is essential that the whole body of the people always keep and bear arms and and
that's how you keep government in check and it's just amazing to me how many
little dictators we have in America now mostly Democrats and mostly governors
and other legislators that believe they don't have to follow the Constitution
anymore I find that appalling and and why do they take an oath that they
summarily ignore and disobey right and so they've already committed perjury
which is also a crime and and I don't care who it is I don't give us a
Democrat or Republican if you don't keep your oath then you are a liar and you
should quit your job and you should be charged criminally for taking an oath
that you that you don't keep and so that the Brady bill really was a crazy law
that had nothing to do with propriety or the Constitution in fact quite
unconstitutional and so I just I just told the the other sheriff's at this
time when the VHF agents gave us that document I told them I wasn't gonna do
it and they all kind of looked at me like you know that right sure you know
you're just a young kid you don't know and so by the time I drove home that two
and a half hour drive I had decided that I was gonna sue the federal government
nice and none of the other sheriff's wanted to do anything about it they
none of them liked it Democrat and Republican sheriff alike none of them
liked it nobody did there were a lot there were a couple of sheriff's matter
about it than I was and and being threatened by arrest by the federal
government I mean sheriff's were really ticked off about it and so I I filed the
lawsuit the very day the Brady bill took effect on February 28 1994 the decision
came out December sorry that's when we're at the Supreme Court we're at the
Supreme Court December of 1996 I lost my third election and then on June 27 1997
the United States Supreme Court in a 5-4 split said that the Brady bill was
unconstitutional and miraculously that pretty much stopped Brady bills two
three four and five and they were going to completely gut the Second Amendment
I've seen some of those other bills Brady bill two was introduced by Howard
Metzenbaum in the Senate just two weeks after I filed the lawsuit but all of them
got stalled because they wanted to see how the first one was going to be
adjudicated when we won none of the others ever came up and so two small
town sheriff's did more to stop gun control in this country than all of
Congress put together in the last 50 years so how many sheriff's across the
country saw that happen and wish you would think that they would be more
emboldened because that didn't stop their attempts to push more
unconstitutional agendas on hardly any of them ever have ever even read the
case and and you know so I find it quite difficult to understand why a sheriff
would not look at the case which is the only time in history a sheriff sued the
federal government and won and it is a very powerful case let me let me quote
to you one thing here on page I believe it's page 13 yeah here it is but the
Constitution now this is the Supreme Court saying this but the Constitution
protects us from our own best intentions in quote don't you think that's
astonishing the Constitution protects us from all our attempts to do good and to
protect people and to make people safe and healthy which sounds like they're
talking to all these Hitler governors today you know if the Constitution
protects me from your good intentions then why isn't anybody doing about
anything about that and I'm proud to announce that most of you have already
seen nationwide where dozens and dozens of sheriff's I and I'm sure we have over
150 sheriff's now maybe more across this country that have told their governors
and others mayors and other people we will not enforce your dictatorial orders
you're not a little Hitler and you don't have any right to shut down people's
freedoms to shut down their businesses and to shut down the liberty and the
individual liberty of every citizen in my county or in this country and so I'm
proud of those sheriff's and and I would like to ask everybody listening to your
program which sheriff do you want do you want Sheriff Nichols from Maine from
Franklin County Maine who told his governor we will not make our county a
police state we will not act like Nazis and we will follow the Constitution in
this county or do you want Sheriff Chronister in Florida who arrested a
minister for having church services now we have also all sorts of places in
California and Mississippi where people have been arrested just for going to
church and in Mississippi they stayed in their cars in the parking lot and they
still got cited in so you would think that we would all agree on one principle
that would be sacred and that we would never violate and you would think that
that would be religious religious liberty seems how our country kind of
fact was founded on that principle but no we we have nothing that's sacred
anymore and this coronavirus hype has put police in such a crazy position of
just following orders and and obeying the dictator instead of following their
oath and obeying the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the
state wherein they work we need to support freedom we need to get back to
freedom so you created didn't you create a group of peace officers and sheriff's
for the Constitution is that the SSP oh yes constitutional sheriff's peace
officers okay that's I remember that okay all right and so there's a website
and get these books but you should become a member and everybody can become
a member you don't have to be a sheriff or former sheriff or a cop this is a
people organization guess who the sheriff reports to his only supervisor
is the first three words of the Constitution we the people mm-hmm the
sheriff only reports to you and that is a very profound definition of a
constitutional republic because the people decide and choose their leaders
and within the parameters of the law the Constitution of the United States real
quick I want to ask you a couple questions so people listening can
understand if you're just joining us we're talking with Sheriff Richard back
he won a Supreme Court case against the United States the Clinton administration
yes the Clinton administration defending our Second Amendment rights
and so sheriff when you when you compare a peace officer or what we call a police
officer or what people will say a policy enforcer and a sheriff what's the
difference because you see them they roll up you know they're they're
covering the same jurisdiction territorially but it's like they have
different jurisdictions over top of each other well they do and we do
coordinate with each other quite a bit because those cities are within the
county that I serve so I have concurrent the sheriff has concurrent jurisdiction
throughout the county and the gentleman's agreement is that they
handle everything like in Maricopa County the Maricopa County Sheriff has a
huge geographical area well he kind of got into a sheriff or pile when he was
sheriff he kind of got into it with a couple of police departments and they
challenged him on it said hey the last time I looked Phoenix was in Maricopa
County and Mesa was in Maricopa County I can enforce the law anywhere I want the
gentleman's agreement though between Phoenix PD or police departments
nationwide no matter what County it is nationwide that is that they handle all
the things inside the incorporated parts of the city and we handle all the calls
in the non incorporated parts so the urban the rural areas of the county and
and so it can be quite spread out but they're both peace officers but the
sheriff is elected and the chief of police is a bureaucrat he's appointed he
answers to the City Council or to the city manager the sheriff only answers to
the people what's the difference between for power wise or authority or the
relationship between a county executive and a sheriff how do they relate to one
another because they're both elected and you would see them both as being heads
of the county right we work together like the sheriff has to do the budget
with the county commissioners or in Arizona it's called the Board of
Supervisors and they have to work together on that but after that the
sheriff answers to no one and and even during that process they negotiate the
budget together but they're not his boss the county attorney cannot tell the
sheriff what to do the Board of Supervisors cannot tell the sheriff
what to do again they can sit down and discuss things and and they very well
should and all of us have but he only has one boss and it's not the it's it's
the people right so today we're dealing with this coronavirus agenda well let's
just call it what I perceive it to be you can have I don't know everybody's
got their own opinion about what's happening but I believe it's a total
agenda and it seems to be being pushed pushed along like gun control you know
there's there's this whole thing being pushed along like what are like it's I
brought this up you know two months ago like our sheriff's are the ones that
seem to have the power to stand against this you know and I encourage people to
find out who their sheriff's were and what their policies were and to find out
what what can we do with our sheriff's departments and work we what can we do
to push back with without riding in the streets because that's what it seems
like they want people to do they but what what can we do lawfully with our
sheriff's department how can the sheriff's push this back well we
certainly support civil disobedience we do not support violence we never have I
never have I never will but imagine that your civil disobedience is with your
sheriff's not only approval but he's there with you
wouldn't that right would that a great way and I compare it to Rosa Parks now
Rosa Parks December 1st 1955 was arrested for not giving her seat to a
white man okay I compare Shelley Luther to a modern-day Rosa Parks you remember
her who is it Shelley Luther Shelley Luther from Dallas no I don't know the
name yeah you've seen into the news she was a steep yeah she was the one who
opened up her salon and got a yes okay yes okay I remember that and I'm gonna
go see her I'm gonna be in Texas and near near Dallas and I'm gonna go have
her cut my hair nice so you sometimes you got to go that far to get a good
haircut if you can't if you're barber I'm gonna go and give her a great big
old tip nice and a big hug too but I totally support what she did the sheriff
should be should have been defending her but regrettably in Dallas we don't have
a constitutional sheriff and and that's really sad but all the major cities just
about don't have them you know Dallas Los Angeles San Francisco San Diego of
Phoenix it's really hard to get Chicago New York City they don't have
constitutional sheriff so usually the bigger the jurisdiction the lack of a
constitutional sheriff but there's good there's good sheriff's right around
those cities even in California even in New York we have good sheriff's there
Sheriff Mike Carpinelli is a great constitutional sheriff in New York and
so we have them all in in just about every state except just for historical
clarification there are no sheriff's in Hawaii or Alaska or Connecticut
Connecticut about 20 years ago voted the office of sheriff out of their state
huge mistake so now they only have now they only have the police state there or
the state police I don't know which order to know but anyway it's really sad
there but in every state there's sheriff's and we have constitutional
sheriff in just about every state but the thing of it is this is where you
your people need to understand you've got to go talk to your sheriff vet your
share see if he will defend you as you commit civil disobedience to get your
freedom back be like Shelley Luther be like some of these ministers who have
conducted church service anyway be like some of these other people who refuse
to wear a mask or and I'm getting rid of my mask I will wear on the plane because
you can't fly without having a mask on but I will keep it below my nose you
know I'm gonna I believe in fresh air I have also talked to several doctors and
now even who has come out and said a mask is not needed most of the time
right and they can't because there are people that have medical conditions
where a mask is not going to promote benefits to for their condition so
there are situations where you could get a doctor's note to say you don't have a
mask but nobody can ask you whether you have a condition so I believe there is a
loophole to have to wear a mask yes so when with all these lockdowns with all
this going down well actually let's back up real quick you mentioned
constitutional sheriff's do you do you endorse any buddy running for sheriff in
Arizona this year ever now and again you know it's really hard for me to go
against any incumbent because I want that person to stay with us but I have
but I have before and especially if it's a horrible sheriff in fact I've endorsed
a candidate in Dallas for the last two times because it's a horrible sheriff
and and Houston has a horrible sheriff there and there's some horrible things
going on there and can you imagine though a sheriff not defending someone
who simply wants to earn a living or a minister having church and that they
would actually go arrest those people I cannot believe that we could ever do
that and not only that the shutdown doesn't make any sense whatsoever and and
so people say oh why doesn't it make sense it's dangerous what if we get all
get the coronavirus well even when we shut down and we quarantined ourselves
quarantining healthy people is stupid but even when we quarantined ourselves
people that quarantined still got it and people in nursing homes were dying right
and left especially in New York it was counterproductive to stopping the
coronavirus it did not help ask dr. Shiva ask dr. Bataar ask dr. Stephen
Smith and now 600 share of six hundred six hundred doctors sent a letter to
Trump saying that what they've been doing was wrong and so you don't even
have the medical appeal the medical field agreeing on this issue but but
let's just take it from common sense what what kind of dangerous diseases and
problems do we have facing us in America that we've been dealing with for decades
well how about smoking how many people die from smoking related diseases every
year in America it's about a million heart disease and lung disease because
of smoking have we ever shut down smoking and don't don't get me wrong I'm
not suggesting that at all I don't smoke and I don't drink and I don't want
anybody else to but it's your business and I'm not going to force you not to
smoke even though we all know it's extremely unhealthy it's downright
stupid but you know it's your choice we never smoke sheriff secondhand it's not
about you it's about the other person so we're gonna restrict your rights to
protect other people that's the argument that's generally made around this so
that's why you know me exercising my liberty to put myself at risk or to
decide for my own health I agree with you you you can't force your smoke on
to me or somebody else who doesn't want it that's why they stop smoking in
planes and in most buildings now my germs that's why it's this quarantining
in these lockdowns need to happen and that could and that was a that was the
case way before this coronavirus happened right that's always been there
yeah you know so now we're gonna stop shaking hands we're not gonna shake
hands anymore in this country or in the world and and and you know what I'm okay
with doing some of those things but I'm still I'm still maintaining none of that
made any sense when we kill a million people a year and we we've only killed
maybe a hundred thousand but we also know that the numbers have been inflated
and that some of these governors and some of these hospitals and some of
these counties have intentionally inflated the numbers even people who are
killed in traffic accidents were put down as dying of coronavirus and so
none of it is trustworthy and so I would ask this we kill 33,000 people every
year on our streets and in fact the coronavirus is not even in the top ten
that of people dying of certain causes and so and now suicide has gone up and I
also met a doctor who said that the suicide rate by the end of this year
will out distance the coronavirus disease and locking people down and
destroying their businesses causes depression and causes suicide and
nobody's hardly thinking about that but the the president did and the president
warned about that and I love what the president has done because he has made
these guidelines instead of Hitleric orders and and so that's what all of us
should be doing we should be persuading the people convincing the people
reasoning with the people to cooperate but not arresting us and putting us in
prison and ruining our businesses and our lifelong dreams because we didn't go
along with you yes and and so yeah you're told you're very well informed
about you know on this matter it's very clear that while we agree with you on
the constitutional sheriff's and and we agree with your stance on civil
disobedience and that we need to stand up and that's we we can't just trust our
leaders to we have to have a relationship with our leaders especially
our local leaders now and who trusts our leaders just to take care of us like
this right you trust Nancy Pelosi to take care of you you trust Adam Schiff
to take care of you trust Mitch McConnell to take care of you now I
just want to stay away cells but you know with this local that's why we're
trying to encourage people because most people don't even know that the power of
the sheriff is supreme in the county that the president the governor can't
come in and tell the sheriff how to run his County the sheriff can say hey I'm
going to let the park be open and the president can come in and go don't you
know that because of XY and Z and the sheriff's gonna say well you know this
is outside of your territory yeah and the decision makes that very clear that
it says quote and again this thing is so powerful you would not believe it it
talks about how the Constitution protects us from the crisis of the day
it talks about how the federal government cannot force us to do
anything it says quote state legislatures are not subject to federal
direction it's the same states are not subject to federal direction most of the
time we buy into their schemes because we want federal money and that's a
stupidity in and of itself because where do you think the federal government gets
their money right get it from states and the people in the state stop sending
them the money and then we'll have to stop and then we can stop doing what
they tell us in order to get our money back so most of the sheriff's nowadays
are just politicians essentially or police officers that have been wooed to
have a role that and then influenced by politicians is that how it's kind of
turned into being yes and and so we we just need to quit playing politics do
what's right John Wayne said a man ought to do what he thinks best and that's
what we really need we need sheriff's that just do what's best and what's best
is that you keep your word you keep your oath you enforce the Constitution and
you protect the liberty of every one of your citizens in your county that is
what we're here you've got I'm gonna I'm sorry for jumping on top of you sir I
know we have a short period of time and I've got a laundry list of questions and
I want to make sure that everybody gets the most of our time together
every CSP o a dot org is that where anybody in the country can go to find a
good constitutional sheriff if they want to find out who's running is that where
their endorsements gonna be no we keep trying no there's three thousand eighty
sheriff's in America there's no way we'd have room to keep track of everybody
running for office you got to get involved in your own race we can get you
can find good questions to ask your sheriff candidates or your current
sheriff it our surveys right there vetting your share that's all on our
website but this is the best thing to hand them hand that to all the candidates
and then ask them which of you will keep your oath to uphold and defend the
Constitution but yeah it's it's very different and very difficult to hurt all
these sheriffs across the country so we need the people involved in the process
okay now there's been throughout our history national emergencies regional
emergencies where powers were given to executives whether it be the president
or the governor or county executives which allowed them or they claim allowed
them to to suspend the Constitution what's your response to a citizen who's
being told hey you don't have any constitutional right we're in a state of
emergency they pass you know because I think that's part of the agenda is for
them to use these crises crises to push forward these these emergency power acts
and then create the new normal in under that in that terrain you know so what's
your response to that what are the cops arresting a parishioner in Mississippi
actually the cops said that your rights have been suspended who the hell are you
anyway I've got two words to tell any governor any cop that thinks that they
have any authority at all or power or authorization or prerogative to suspend
our rights I got two words bull loaning do not have that it is not within your
emergency powers yes they can declare a state of emergency that usually opens up
the avenues for funding to take care of the issue however no one is authorized
to suspend the Bill of Rights that is a never situation no one has the right or
authority and authority is the correct term no one in this country not the
president not any governor not any mayor or sheriff has the authority to suspend
the individual liberty of any citizen they can go after somebody committing a
crime and arrest them but otherwise their job is to protect my rights the
Declaration of Independence states clearly what the purpose of all
government is quote that to secure these rights governments are instituted
among men in quote good everybody in all three branches of government has one job
to make sure our rights are not violated and that means from all enemies both
foreign and domestic and I'm telling you we've got quite a few domestic enemies
trying to do just that yeah you couldn't have said it any better one of my next
questions is what would you say the purpose of government is so you you read
my mind on that and so social distancing contact tracing that's another question
we've got have you heard of that what do you talk on that yeah the number six six
six six come to my mind when you ask me that wow yeah that's the name of the
bill that's the bill on that and they're already saying that Apple and AT&T are
pushing forward with an app to go on your phones well I have a flip phone so
I can't do it and I won't do it and I will I'm telling you right now I will
throw my phone away if they try to do that to me and I'll go back to a pager
or I'll go back to pay phones or whatever it is but I am not taking any
of that social distancing the contact tracing checking on me mandating me
watching over me spying on me no no government has to stick within its
limitations and I'm going to tell you another one maybe this is on your list
but I might consider taking the coronavirus vaccination if they make it
mandatory and force us to I will never take it okay and your sheriff should
protect you from having to do that that's an individual choice it's called
medical freedom freedom it's called I decide what goes into me I decide what's
best for me and my family medically and maybe one of my children wants to take
it after they do that research that if they're old enough to make that decision
then I will leave them to that also but I'm telling you forced vaccinations that
sounds like eugenics and what Nazis did to medically test Jews and others and
twins and all of that that's not going to happen in America and we're not
going to allow this to become Nazi Germany any more than we already have
and I'm telling you right now our mantra our hashtag now is never again will we
destroy America in order to be healthy never again for any reason will we shut
down our freedom our country our livelihoods and our ideals we will never
allow it to happen again so as an individual how would you recommend that
somebody just move forward where if you know they've got I mean how can somebody
personally stand up like what would you suggest well it first you want to have a
plan with your sheriff you don't want to wait till the emergency happens when
they're knocking on your door to handcuff you and honk tie you to give
you a vaccination you're a little bit late you want to work this out with your
sheriff starting now have a plan have him put put it in writing to let the
government know there will be no forced vaccinations in my county as long as I'm
sheriff and he needs to make it clear that that will not happen and and that
if somebody tries to come in and do it he will stand in the way and and you
know what there's been plenty of sheriffs that have already done similar
things and you know what I kicked out the FDA sorry EPA and Army Corps of
Engineers in my county when I was sheriff because they they wouldn't let
us fix a bridge after a flood and I kicked them out and they left and we
fixed the bridge and they threatened to arrest everybody in our county that was
trying to fix it they would threaten to arrest the county commissioners and I
kicked them out I told him I would arrest them if they didn't leave what
were they saying that they had to make sure that everybody downstream was
protected because you know that's how it goes you know a little bit of that and
you know they had to do their environmental impact study yeah of us
simply fixing what was already there so it was ridiculous and and it was just
typical red tape bureaucratic bull loaning right and I just you know I
wasn't gonna have it yeah somebody in our chat here is just saying sheriff
and pastors are our first line of defense of defense you know so you know
that local closest to you leadership you need to stay connected with and have
that relationship so let's just jump over to another part of the country in
the Midwest right now in Milwaukee in Minneapolis there's all this stuff going
on what have you been paying attention what's your what's your take on it well
I'm absolutely appalled that that officer could do what he did I'm also
appalled that he had all sorts of track records regarding disciplinary problems
and somebody's gonna really pay for that supervisors and law enforcement who
don't train people properly in the application of their jobs we don't train
in this country what the Constitution is and what our job is to protect the
Constitution we we are all every cop in this country is required by the sixth
article of the Constitution to to swear an oath of allegiance to the
Constitution but we never trained in that why we never trained that our job
is to protect liberty why is it any wonder that an officer isn't gonna to
get that that he's the boss that he can teach people a lesson that he can stick
his knee in some guy's throat and I'm appalled that any officer could do that
I'm also appalled at the other three officers that watched it and didn't do
anything about it should be back should they be charged jointly you suppose yes
yes and that's what I said every state should pass a law saying that if an
officer watches a crime committed by another officer you're charged with the
same thing good okay and I and I'm dead serious about that because these
officers that don't that sit there and watch that are you kidding and and you
know I can't even get through that video 30 seconds without without becoming
nauseated and and I am so sorry for that family that lost mr. Floyd oh my goodness
what a horrible way to die and for that to be blasted all over the country now
and that family and his children are watching that oh my gosh but be that as
it may it happen these thugs though that are such hypocrites said we demand
justice in this case well let it play out but to go and destroy the businesses
of other people in your community of other black people do any of you know
Martin Luther King do any of you think for a minute that Martin Luther King
would want you to be out there burning each other's homes and cars and
businesses what what in the hell's the matter with you people I love the guy
that was on the news just a while ago and he was a black business owner and he
was asking all these thugs out there on the streets why are you doing this to me
I didn't do anything wrong why are you destroying my business and and that is a
great question why would you why would any of you do this in the name of
justice okay a huge injustice has happened to mr. Floyd and his family
okay let's do our best now to get justice in this case so as sheriff if
that so say you were the sheriff of the county where that happened and then
these events started happening what would you do what could your role be
from the get-go as soon as you heard about hey this guy was as a sheriff one
of the the local city police officers a guy died what happened and what would
what would your role be what would you do and then even into these riots and
all of those as a sheriff how would you get control and how would you handle it
well a riotous situation like this is very difficult to put it get under
control I've been in I've been in a riot like that once in my jail and once when
I was a peace officer and they're hard to control you know they're gonna need a
lot more manpower and these wannabe look-alike protests now in other parts
of the country it's all bull and and it's just an excuse for these people to
go out and loot and commit all sorts of crimes and a thrill associated and they
just let me tell you this the the officer in question would would have
been fired about ten complaints ago and it's so when you have police chiefs and
sheriff's who don't exercise their proper authority and discipline their
employees properly then these things happen as sheriff could you've just gone
could you because there's I don't know where this officer is I mean
administrative leave I imagine and he's got arrested he got taken into custody
he did by the sheriff or by the who took him into custody I don't know I don't
know who arrested me I'm pretty sure it was a local sheriff yeah it could have
been the FBI they've been called in to investigate okay I wonder how you know
now I'm not gonna get it but the deal is this if this had been handled one like I
said proper training for officers and proper disciplinary action against
problem officers this guy had 18 different complaints made against him
improper conduct with the public and excessive force and shooting when he
wasn't supposed to and they kept this guy on are they all loony and that they
haven't had training for officers if you watch a crime committed by an officer
and you don't do anything about it they've never trained in that these are
common sense things that should be happening all over the country and so I
believe that some heads should roll on this and some chiefs and whoever the
supervisors of this officer were should be fired and action taken and we need I
say this every time Dustin I say this every time these happen we need to
re-examine how we train people in our academies how we train police in our
academies and this is ridiculous that we allow these things to happen yeah riots
are really difficult to handle no question about it and I'll be the first
one to say you know it's really difficult to say you ten officers go
take care of those thousands people those those thousands right there
looting and burning it's very difficult situation what about any orders store
owners I know that you know like in the LA riots you know they had the Korean
district where you had those shop owners with their rifles on the rooftops yeah
yeah they were able to protect their businesses because they were shooting
back yeah so what would that be justifiable mean today in this in this
because that was what 1990 oh yeah something like that arson you could
you're committing an arson and you don't think somebody should be shooting you oh
my gosh so that's justifiable Oh totally justifiable but the police
pulled back you know and like I say I wasn't there but I'm telling you 130
businesses have been destroyed in Minneapolis and a lot of those owners of
those businesses were black people and and why we would do this I I do not get
I cannot wrap my mind over around it yeah it seems I'm I I thought that they
were trying to promote cuz I'm I think that they really want to destroy America
that there's an international agenda to bring down the Constitution and to do
that so there is I'm looking for that it's been and when you have people like
Barack Obama who won't come out and say look this is not the answer this is not
the solution he never did it while he was in the office he's not doing it now
and Maxine Waters of course comes out and blames President Trump mm-hmm you
know what an absolute idiot and and I you know is she making it better or is
she making it worse is Barack Obama making it better or is he making it
worse and the whole time he was president he made it worse he he he
literally seemed like he wanted them that he wanted it there to be a racial
division in this country he seemed to promote it and he seemed to like it
right they think that I I believe that with this COVID thing that they they
want people to be on edge and that they they want people to push back they want
to be able to justify stricter controls and to be able to because if these
riots were something that you know I don't know if this happened organically
obviously it seems to be a pattern when a black guy's killed by a white police
officer that the media makes a big hype out of it and they irritate the
situation and and the next thing you know rocks are being black kills are
black it doesn't get much attention no it's not talked about I mean not like
that how about inner-city crime where black on black crime is horrendous and
it is skyrocketing and nobody addresses that you know what all lives matter to
me and and it should be the same for everybody well the shame and the black
my lives mattering too it's like when you have these people and they're
riding in the street like who's gonna help them if if somebody's injured if
somebody's caught in some sort of thing you can't even you've got a horde of
people and somebody suffers a head injury or falls and it's trampled and
the next thing you know what are they gonna do call for an ambulance call for
police well as soon as that ambulance or police car comes to help the person
they're gonna be destroyed and they'll have their windows smashed out so it
seems like ambulances and and fire departments will not be allowed in there
until it is pretty safe it's it's madness and it seems like they that
would the next move after that would to bring in the national would be to bring
in the National Guard or to do something to create I don't want to say a martial
law type of situation but where they have they've already done a curfew and I
agree with that well you got yeah you got to do something but how do you
enforce it then well you bring in the troops if you have to but yeah the
National Guard is is acceptable in that situation but man oh man this has got to
be addressed prior and and again I will harp on harp and harp on the lack of
proper training in this country with police cadets it seems like they
probably train more on where to put your knee on a suspect to get him to
submit like that's that's what they're sharing when they're talking of instead
of like talking about maybe constitutional things or policy yeah
that's policy that's allowed and that's why this cops can be in trouble but the
reason that some of these departments are going to be given up a lot of money
on this is because this guy had so many disciplinary complaints where no action
was taken I want to hear it I want to carry my gun in California what should I
do do it all right let keep it concealed so nobody can see it okay like I
recommend permit even though I don't believe in permits I recommend it
because I don't want you to go to prison over it but I I definitely carry a gun
when I go to California I obviously don't carry one in to Disneyland I love
Disneyland but I compromise and I don't wear one in there it's a pretty safe
place to be with your family and and I appreciate that part they got good
security but a grocery store that says I can't wear one in there they're not
going to know if I have it I keep it concealed and and I go in anyway or I'll
shop some of that yourself where they don't say that mm-hmm mandatory mask in
Disneyland I think then they say something about that do what isn't there
mandatory mask in Disneyland I don't know I've heard that's what I've heard
but I'll be taking my note from my doctor saying how I'm supposed to have
fresh air right for my heart condition yeah well so you're a hundred percent
pro Second Amendment there shall be no law made to infringe Congress shall make
no law to in front of our rights to some background acts I don't believe in
permit those are all infringements and I know what the word infringement means
mm-hmm yeah I mean that's the way I've always felt and luckily here we are in
Arizona where you don't need to have any sort of but I just bought a 22 rifle
couple like a month or so ago and I had to go through all the paperwork for that
and I it had been a long time since I even bought a 22 like that wasn't
private and I was totally surprised that they were having me go through all that
stuff so well I just bought me a Winchester 3030 from a good friend of
mine and I love it like a job 94 John went yep John Wayne Winchester yeah my
granddaddy gave my great-grandfather gave me one of those so that's a fun
little gun yeah hey sheriff I wanted to jump in real quick this is Logan I just
wanted to ask you a question we're up here in the studio we had someone on our
chat asked this question and it's something that I that I have been seeing
for years you've seen the the accusation of it and you see all the
videos so right now there's some video posts we don't have it pulled up right
yet that one of the police officers in Minneapolis was disguised as an agent
provocateur and was going around and smashing the windows I don't know if you
saw that in this case or if you've ever run across that or seen how the you know
authority figures the police you know whatever it is or if FBI agents have you
ever heard or experienced where they're acting as agent provocateurs instigating
these riots or events well we know that that's happened before and yes and
sometimes the police will put people in plain clothes and have them out there
among the crowd usually not to be provocateurs but we all know that
provocateurs are out there in just about every one of these riots they were there
in Ferguson they were there in Baltimore of course they're there in
Minneapolis and and so yeah they're there what you can really do about it
you know what can we do about the CIA and all the crimes they commit so you
know it happens it's there and and I really wish we could get a handle on the
number one problem in America and that is public corruption and that's just one
little part of it I had I also have one more question from the chat you know as
Baptist you know we're commanded that we should go out you know door-to-door
soul-winning and telling people about Jesus and we feel that that's our First
Amendment protected right as you know the freedom of religion and that we can
be should be able to go door-to-door and do that we get a lot of resistance from
certain cities or certain apartments where they say you know that's you know
you're trespassing you can't be here have you ever ran into that what's your
opinion on being able to go door-to-door and not have to deal with the
trespassing charge no that's not covered that's not covered those are private
businesses those are private property and if I don't if I own a apartment
complex and I don't want you soliciting and it says no trespassing sorry you
can't go there okay yes you have a right to go where you are invited and allowed
but it's not blanket government cannot violate your right to freedom of
religion and if those are government owned and operated now that's a
different story but if it's private property that's my castle that's my
property and I can say who and who cannot go on to my property and that is
protected and that is protected by the the Bill of Rights I'm sorry you I I
don't have to give you a reason why I do not want you on my property and sorry
you can't do it was that the answer you wanted Logan no I wasn't looking for a
certain answer that was a question the chat so I asked yeah well my question on
that matter sheriff is that is the apartment manager when they like if I
rented a house from a landlord who's you know in the next state over or even
across the street can they sit there and tell me who my guests can be or who
can visit or any of those things when that be your rent your unless he says
that in the contract that he can tell you that but I've never seen those
before you once you rent that property it's your you're in control of that
property you have leased that from him he has leased it to you and that is your
property he can't go in there without your permission unless he put that in
its contract if it's in the contract you can contract away a lot of your rights
but most most of the leasing of an apartment or any kind of building like
that once you're in charge of it and you're paying for it you're in charge
it's yours yeah so it's kind of I mean obviously they can they can make a
trespass report against you but they can't if if you have a friend and you
invite them over and they come in and preach that is not a trespassing if they
make it where soliciting religions or soliciting anything is a trespass then
you you can't do it but if you invite somebody to that property it's not a
trespass okay well that's good so um just I something came to mind uh so
currently there's a moratorium or there has been on mortgages or car payments
and all kinds of things because of the the corona or the code here yeah for
closures and yeah so that's been passed on to tenants who rent and I know part
of the job of a sheriff typically is to do evictions is that right that is
correct so what's gonna happen what's gonna happen if anybody is listening and
you know they they lost their job because they're because they're they're
small business or something was locked down and they couldn't continue with
their beauty shop or or what have you and now they've had to miss a rent
payment or or a couple and then now there's two sides to that story what
about the guy who owns the car apartment complex who can't pay his and maybe he's
got to pay the mortgage on the apartment complex so there's that's a double-edged
sword there however the deal is this I do not have to execute any of those
foreclosures if I choose not to and nobody can make me and and you can't do
anything to me if I don't so if I go and talk to the apartment complex and say
look you know what these people are struggling right now I know that you're
probably struggling too can we try to work out a program where you know you
take partial payment or whatever I would do that I've done that before and I will
tell you sheriff dart in Chicago sheriff Tom Dart back about 10 12 years ago in
2009 he refused to evict people he refused to execute foreclosures for Bank
of America and Chase and some of the other bigger international banks and
they complained about it but there's nothing they could do about it and he
said I'm not going to evict people right now and put people out on the street and
increase the homeless in Chicago which is already problematic and and because
you big rich banks want to take over property and take over these people's
lives and he did it a bunch of times and he's not a constitutional sheriff but he
saw a problem and he and he tried to take care of it and I I've actually
written about Tom Dart in one of my books and so I admire any sheriff who
takes a proactive approach on that and it is a big question and it that's come
up quite often you even moving forward in the in the near future once they
start you know repossessing property because they lift that moratorium it
probably is going to be a big issue nationwide so maybe we should look for
that and if you're in that situation maybe talk to your sheriff right talk to
your sheriff and and what they would person talk to the person you're right
exactly if that fails then go talk to your sheriff and say hey I just need a
little more time I'm not trying to skip my bills I will get back to doing this
and you know see what your sheriff can work out for you very good sheriff
Richard Mack you have given us an abundance of your time this evening I
think we went way past what you had scheduled with us we we appreciate you
being so gracious to to just talk with us tonight I really enjoyed our
conversation please tell us how people can help you do what you do and to get
involved in what you care about well if people really want to perpetuate this
constitutional sheriff concept and if you want a constitutional sheriff in
your county then make a donation do something you've got to get involved if
you're not involved in this process it is not going to happen this is not a
parade where we get to just watch things go by we we have to be involved so the
best place to get involved is cspoa.org constitutional sheriff's peace officers
Association get this little book get the sheriff book get my other book the
proper role of law enforcement that's way back 30 years ago when I was a
rookie cop well that guy looks is that your son that's me so anyway everybody
should be involved in this everybody can make a donation everybody can become a
member of the CSP away and we'll provide you with the information to help this
effort be successful it will be as successful as you make it so if you
don't get involved you pretty much know why things are going to pot but my
friends there is hope this is hope this organization is hope that we can take
our freedoms back in a peaceful and effective manner I've got proof that it
works I've got proof in a Supreme Court decision that this is a principle-based
effort and what we are doing is the right thing to do join us in this holy
cause of Liberty well god bless you thank you very much for joining us and
we hope to get another shot at talking to you again soon in the future all the
best to you sir all right same to you thanks so much have a good night all
right another wonderful guest Paul good job yeah great job Dustin you nailed it
man hey man you know the guy just had some interesting stuff to talk about and
and you know that we could have just gone on I had I still had some more
things I I like the sheriff thing I like that that the fact that and I just knew
there was there was more to it there so that's you know this is my I think our
solution is getting shot involved in church get out there soul-winning give
people the gospel make sure people are on their way to heaven make sure that
people's prayers are answered because they're children of God and you know
teach them to do all things whatsoever Christ commanded them and you know get
involved with your sheriff and find out who your sheriff is and if your sheriff
is bunk kick him out if your sheriff's a woman kick her out and well maybe if
she's a constitutional sheriff yeah it's probably good but you know well those
are the kind of things you can actually vote on and make a difference the
sheriff obviously you know but your vote doesn't really matter for president and
stuff like that but that with the sheriff hopefully there's some good ones
out there that you can actually get yeah in office and he was pretty on it when
it with yeah I seriously was gonna ask that question about what the purpose of
government it is and he and he quoted the Constitution about the purpose of
government before before I got to that question now is seriously gonna ask that
one next so that was great interview I'm glad he joined us so little Logan's
wife in the sweat of his brow like it's pretty intense up here I Logan it's like
a it's like a balmy gnarlin's porch up here I need some iced tea with some mint
yeah mint julep yeah yeah so go ahead and make a donation to cspoa.org they
accept PayPal yeah well yeah and and yeah I really appreciate him giving us
you know time out of his day he was only supposed to do like a half-hour
interview and he wanted that happen how did did he say I only got half an hour
no okay that's what we yeah we just crush people yeah basically interview
people until they're just like I can't they're like yeah yeah but Paul's all
like he's got half an hour you gotta hurry up with the next question you guys
should see the back behind-the-scenes footage all yelling at each other I'm
here listen to the guy and he's quoting the Constitution he's telling me all
these things and I'm just looking at him trying to read his lips because Paul's
over here like yeah basically like Paul's just screaming at us the whole
time I were doing why didn't you do that I told you to pull that page up why
didn't you do it oh you're like have you here that's why I feel like the
whipping boy this is why Logan hasn't been on the show for a while I need to
break my psyche couldn't take it anymore his memory is only so good it's like
good for a week and then he forgets about yeah like the first minutes I was
like oh yeah that's why totally hot no I miss I missed being here for sure it's
it's a serious temperature change it's no joke up here yeah it's it's an attic
for sure huh yeah it is like an attic yeah man so yeah I just enjoy talking to
the guy and I've got you know yeah I just I was just curious you know and I
yeah I think he's a cool dude he knows all about it he knows all about the
math yeah I was uh I was hoping he was gonna be with us on the whole soul
winning thing that's sorry sorry guys but that kind of felt dead yeah that
kind of kind of burst above all that I thought he was right there with us but I
wanted to find out who his lawyer was but I didn't want to go back because we
had already covered that but I want to find out who his lawyer was because you
know I would sue the President of the United States I mean I would sue yeah I
would sue the United States government but like how do you get somebody to take
that case and and so well you and how did you finance that like was it pro
bono or or what I mean it's good question to ask but I didn't want to go
seriously yeah I just enjoy talking to the guy and I've got that's my fault you
know yeah I'll try to pull up the chat on the computer so I can monitor the
chat while it's going that's what I don't like no when you look at most of
these most of the cases that are that get to the Supreme Court they're usually
pro bono you like it it's it's so much money unless you're a corporation where
you're just paying out it's millions of dollars in legal fees so it's why are you
showing me this that's the temperature that's the temperature 107 not bad so
yeah like anytime it's either it's funny it's usually either like you know
whatever whether it's like a left-wing cause or it's a right-wing cause you
know conservative whatever you want to call it it's all pro bono work you know
these lawyers that are just there because they're they know that they can
just use this person's story to push the agenda that they want so they're like
yeah sure we'll take it on what you will use your story to get what we you know
this law passed that we want but yeah it's yeah they're usually the private
citizen it's never it's never you're paying for the lawyers because it's
millions of dollars get to the Supreme Court all right cool well I don't know
I don't know that was pretty cool we got Sean jolly in the chat you know he
thinks the the sole winning question can be clarified I probably could have I
think I could have convinced him otherwise I didn't want to push him on
it you know I it was Jessica I didn't wanna I knew we were kind of towards the
tail end so I don't want to try and I didn't have you don't want to end the
interview and some weird yeah yeah I didn't have it in front of me because I
know there is a Supreme Court decision about that that does clarify that you
are looking to argue with the guy yeah yeah no he was being cool the whole time
so it's fine it was just his opinion that's that's all the people yeah I
wanted to hear so it's all good and I don't think he would answer the call
anyway cuz you know that would probably be the city but even if he did if you
talk to him personally I mean that's kind of interesting if he is the sheriff
you know then you have the sheriff's deputies all right oh you know he also
did this other thing and now that was a pile forget it so so you have the
sheriff's deputies which are the ones that you know he deputizes he appoints
these people and then they go out and they they enforce the will of the office
to continue what his job is and so when you show up when the police officer
shows up it could be the sheriff like you'd want to talk to him but if you
knew the guy was like a total constitutional guy like that guy you
might actually get through to him but you know you're probably gonna end up
getting the guy who wants to put his knee on your throat you're more likely
to get that guy in fact I wonder on the bell curve you know like there's
probably as many constitutional lawyers they're not constitutional
constitutional police officers there's pie fewer constitutional police officers
then there are police officers who will kill you by just sitting on your head
yeah that's a rough video did you get a chance to watch that I got to the
headline I don't need to see more than really rough I heard about it yeah I
don't need to see that kind of stuff and I don't he's like begging for his life
and yeah guy just kills him man yeah I don't need to see that stuff but um my
burn is feeling a little bit better DMSO everybody miss oh man it'll be a big
blister here well I appreciate everyone tuning in to tonight's program tonight's
program was brought to you by our house so make sure to check out our house you
can go to our YouTube channel and subscribe to that we're also just got in
Harrison Okene six hours underwater which is a fantastic book and I kind of
want to change the gears here and talk about this book a little bit because I
was trying to actually talk Logan into doing this movie and he's shaking his
head no but that's why kind of why the movie got held up because he didn't want
to go over to Nigeria I also I even know I don't think you can get like a pass to
go to Nigeria it's like like whatever like the US State Department has is
there restrictions of like don't travel it's the highest one okay like well
you're saying like the levels the threat level the threat level it's the highest
threat level yeah yeah which you you know you wouldn't think Nigeria would be
higher than like Baghdad but it is yeah basically like everything you read on
there like anytime you leave your hotel like the airport anywhere yeah I just
hire us the words were wanton violence rights like just all types of violence
for kidnapping no reason or yeah kidnappings theft or just for any
read just for because yeah it just violence if they see that you're
different and so yeah so imagine Paul and me who's six four six seconds sore
thumb just carrying around all kinds of camera equipment yeah that looks real
great and they're also and part of the ball is Starbucks he's all yeah well
you're not gonna get any Starbucks over there but part of the movie is us going
out to see yeah and we do the pirate lanes yeah so yeah also part of that so
not just on land you're just like yeah incredibly dangerous you want to go out
into the water where there's just pirates everywhere like they're like
like everything everywhere he wanted to go because he also lives out so in the
city they said like you're okay in the city but like anytime you leave the city
it's crazy dangerous yeah so like that's where this guy lives his way out in a
village so we would have to travel there you know like you to go to this place
you need a security team like you yeah well just so and Paul so I talked to the
guy I had long conversations with the guy we planned the whole thing so it
would be he wants $5,000 do the interview he wants $5,000 for the
security team and then an additional 3,500 for another security team in a
separate boat that's supposed to like come next to us plus the the boat we
have to rent so like when the guy who's there no like wants a security team
that's that's a sign yeah well yeah when the guy's saying you can't come here
without a security team it's like but so yeah so I guess that movie's not
happening right now but I do have another great movie in the works but if
you guys want to check out this book 60 hours underwater it's a great book you
can get it at framing the world calm Logan is pulling up right now the problem
is it's so hot up here that Paul's computer is oh well then we're gonna
have to have well yeah it's like melting what do you want me to pull up yeah have
him have Dustin pull it up down there tell him what to pull up okay so you're
you're just gonna go to YouTube and then you're gonna type in I was trapped
underwater for three days and this is a really cool kind of animation of the
event so you get to it because obviously like there's only some like
murky video of like kind of right when they pop up 36 hours or three days is
that I was trapped through I was trapped at my three days is the title of the
video and that should pull oh that's funny look kids like look at my page
here so like you got like this chick what are you looking at here yeah you're
still on my computer Paul yeah yeah so you got this yeah she was stuck
underwater for 36 hours she's got to go ahead make it sound like it yeah she
wasn't at the bottom of the ocean 72 hours is three days she was not at the
bottom of the ocean this guy so play that video okay can you hear it I don't
know if I have no here we go 26 2013 waking up and leaving his bunk to use
the bathroom was a decision that saved 29 year old Harrison Harrison ended up
being the lone survivor of a boat sinking at sea he can lay claim to a
unique title he's the only person in the world to have survived on the sea floor
for nearly three days the good I don't know wasn't there Jonah both of Guinea
in the southeast Atlantic Ocean is rich with petroleum laden layers of
sedimentary seabed many offshore oil rig drilling operations dot the African
coast here on May 26th about 20 miles off of escravos Nigeria in choppy seas
three tugboats pitched in yod as they performed tension tow functions on a
ship on oil tanker filling up at single buoy mooring number three just before
5 a.m. the tugboat Jaskon 4 was caught by a large rogue wave and capsized
because of ongoing piracy problems in the Gulf security protocol on the tug
boat was that the 12-man crew because it's a nine-minute video are you gonna
watch this whole thing I just I thought we could kind of just like commentate
over top of it but it seems the audio seems really high we can't turn the
video audio down and talk over top would lock themselves in their room when
sleeping unfortunately this rule slowed down the Jaskon force crew when they
tried to escape the crew members had to first scramble out of their cabins that
is except like that guy's like rip gotten up to use the bathroom yeah
Harrison okay they're just like here you go big guy I just play it just play
it doesn't sit there looking for themselves in their war was caught by a
large rogue wave and capsized because of ongoing piracy problems in the Gulf
security protocol yeah they're quarantining unfortunately this rule
slowed down the Jaskon force crew when they tried to escape the crew members
had to first scramble out of their cabins that is except for the vessel's
cook Harrison who had gotten up to use the bathroom in his underwear when the
tugboat in his underwear make sure that everyone knows he's in his underwear
open against the wall of water the pressure of the water was extremely
strong and Harrison was unable to follow some of his colleagues to the emergency
hatch he watched in horror but they all started over way all died except for him
of course yeah into the raging sea then the water pushed Harrison down a narrow
hallway into another bathroom which had joined an officer's cabin dazed and
bruised but miraculously still alive Harrison held on to it over is that
crazy head about survive that so stop nearly 100 feet eventually coming to
rest up when the tugboat capsized there was an immediate rescue operation
launched with the other boats in the area and a helicopter you imagine that
was you pitch-dark at the bottom of the ocean you scared right just wondering
like how long it's like you wouldn't yeah you wouldn't think someone's coming
to gate yeah how long did they get him the rescue was called off due to no
evidence of survivors after nearly a day of being in the bathroom Harrison got up
the courage to leave his sharks are down there you say you hear sharks and stuff
felt this way to start engineers office miraculous they're banging on the boat
air pocket how scary is that about four feet high in Harrison's estimation
having solved the immediate problem of having air to breathe Harrison could
miraculously there was another air pocket here too of about four feet high
in Harrison's estimation yeah cuz those air pockets run out of air air to breathe
Harrison could focus on other concerns the first one being that he was cold in
ice cold water on average is a pleasant 81.9 degrees Fahrenheit but Harrison was
100 feet down differing wet and wearing only boxer shorts hair at the relevant
army of your his body losing heat faster than he could produce that
cautiously Harrison felt this way would be the same as your with a mattress and
the material from the wall he was able to make a platform to sit on this
platform helped Harrison to stay afloat allowing him to reduce he would pray and
call on Jesus to rescue him over time the seawater began to remove the skin
from Harrison's tongue he could smell something rotting he thought it was the
decomposing bodies of his former shipments every small sound in the dark
was magnifying the creaking of the hall that's what's creepy I was just like
pitch black why do you have to make a documentary when we have this yeah see
that okay this is part of the problem I have arrived to the area of the sinking
the parent company of the Jeff are you gonna use this as your storyboard
ventures had hired a salvage saturation diving team from subsea services
company DC and global to retrieve the bodies of the lost crew members so they
went down just to get the bodies they weren't expecting to find anyone it was
going to be a grueling mission aside from the heart-rending work of
recovering the dead the boat had sunk upside down into soft mud stirring up
fine silt and creating extremely poor visibility furthermore because of the
security protocols the boat was locked in on the inside Andre Erasmus and Darryl
Ustaza with supervisor Colby where a topside rash is helping to guide the
divers via a connected microphone while watching the dive through a camera worn
by Nico the team spent over an hour breaking through an external watertight
door and then a second metal door to get into the sunken boat once inside it was
extremely disorienting with the ceiling being on the bottom and the floor
overhead oh yeah that would be weird with all sorts of hazards including
furniture can you imagine this diver could you just imagine the diver he's
driving through there and then the guy just grabs them on just like what and
you can see that when you look at the real video it's like this like it's
completely murky you can't see like oh there's a real video yeah we'll play
that now we're gonna play that next Harrison had nearly given up hope when
he had heard a noise that sounded like an anchor dropping then eventually he
heard hammering on the hull of the boat he knew it had to be divers he banged on
the wall but didn't think they heard him then Harrison saw the light from one of
the divers head torches as he swam through the hallway past the far end of
the cabin dude fortunately I'm subbing quick in the area before Harrison can
reach him but then came the magical moment you may have seen the surreal
amazing rescue footage from his video we're gonna watch that next guy's body
he touches the corpses hand in the hand unexpectedly squeezes his Nico has a
momentary freakout Colby then tells Nico to comfort Harrison by patting him on
the shoulder and giving him a thumb how scary would that be used to find hair
the maximum depth for recreational diving is 130 feet generally
recreational divers don't stay at 100 feet for more than 20 minutes in terms
of the air pocket the divers had reached Harrison just in time a human inhales
roughly 350 cubic feet of air you would have died just estimate that Harrison's
air pocket had been compressed by a factor of about four if the pressurized
air pocket were about 216 cubic feet it would contain enough oxygen to keep
Harrison alive for about two and a half days when Harrison was located he had
been underwater for about 60 hours an additional danger came from the I
thought my jail experience was bad as Harrison breathed he exhaled carbon
dioxide slowly increasing the levels of the gas in the tiny space however co2 is
absorbed by water and by splashing the water inside his air pocket Harrison
inadvertently increased the water surface area thereby heightening the
absorption of co2 and helping to keep the gas below the lethal five percent
level the divers first used hot water to warm Harrison up then fitted him with an
oxygen mask meanwhile on the surface the dive support crew was in contact with
medical experts discussing how to best help the survivor Harrison had a new
problem what divers commonly called the bends the bends also known as
decompression sickness or caisson disease occurs when nitrogen bubbles
form in the blood as a result of changes in pressure so once he's found he can't
even come to the surface you have to stay underneath the bubbles and is that
the other 12 hours in the best case yes I don't know rashes to the nose paralysis
neurological issues cardiac arrest or possibly even death it was decided that
Harrison would be treated as if he were one of the saturation divers coming up
after a diet Harrison spent about 20 minutes getting used to breathing
through the mask then the divers put a diving helmet and harness onto him they
were a little worried that he would panic as they got him out of the boat
and would be a danger to the dive but Harrison continued to be cool under
pressure the team was impressed with his level demeanor Harrison was taken from
the boat in led to a dive he's like bro I'm from Nigeria the 28th of May
disoriented Harrison thought that it was Sunday evening and that he had only been
trapped for 12 hours that was nice shocked to learn that he'd been
underwater for over two days from the diving bell Harrison was moved to a
decompression chamber where he stayed for another two and a half days while
his body decompressed a surface pressure of the 12 crew members on board the tug
boat Jaskon for divers rescued one survivor and recovered ten of the bodies
the search for the 11th crew member had to be called off due to dangerous
conditions Harrison made a K pirate from his hometown of war in Nigeria go to the
funerals of his colleagues because he feared their family's reactions
Nigerians can be very religious but are also superstitious some rumors spread
that Harrison saved himself through black magic Harrison was also plagued
with survivors killed yeah man was the only one to live you know all these
plane crash survivors they have Harrison will suddenly awake screaming and
flailing convinced that he's underwater Harrison has since taken a cooking job
on dry land and vows to never again take a position on a boat he made a
pact with God when he was at the bottom of the ocean when I was under the water
I told God if you rescue me I will never go back to the sea again never do you
think you could survive underwater for no days like I don't want to try you
think about keeping your spirits all right all right have you ever seen that
Dustin did you did you even know about this story no see this is why I love
this story because no one's heard of it why has anyone heard of it because this
guy just wants money for like every interview and yeah he's a Nigerian
yeah no I get it so but this book is basically goes through that story that
you just watched and it's just like a kid's version of that story and it's
really yeah it's it's a nice it's for kids well that was pretty much the kids
version and we just watch yeah it's the kids version what you just watch so it's
real nice a lot of pictures but are you gonna pull up the real video here
doesn't have it done is that it okay so is that it it's at the right one cuz you
can watch the wrong one 44 minute you just just fast forward till almost the
end so yeah so that no oh this no just play it from the beginning play from the
beginning Dustin I know I'm just kind of like see this is how he is off being
nice publicly so after he was trapped for three days underwater turn it up turn
up Harrison okay they still presume the sole survivor of the Jackson well
let's back up which was carrying 12 night the idea I want to see that part
worried that you already found the wrong video divers after he was trapped for
three days underwater in a sinking ship Harrison still presumed the sole
survivor of the Jackson for tugboat which was carrying 12 men when he
capsized off the coast of Nigeria in the Gulf of Guinea in May this year
okay this is the real footage guys shot by rescue divers from the DCN diving
group look at his face just it's just like no he was just not expecting to be
found he survived man 30 meters under the surface of the Atlantic Ocean during
his time inside the boat mr. O'Kane had to endure hearing his deceased shipmates
being eaten by fish and his own skin being peeled away in the ultra damp
conditions yeah but there's a lot of this story every time I hear this story
I hear different details the establishment of the South African
rescue team he was still alive when they reached him 62 hours after the boat went
under 10 of the crew are confirmed dead and one is still missing so were they
all in the boat that dead people with the aid of scuba dive yeah well they
couldn't they didn't find one of them I think they found all the bodies except
for one but man oh man and so I am working my butt off to get him on the
show without paying him some ridiculous amount of money so I might need to bring
the big guns in Logan to get this set up because does he get royalties from this
book I'm yeah he does yeah yeah that's the angle is like hey we're gonna
promote this book on that that's what I told him so I'm hoping that does it but
I think he wants a little bit more than royal but I still you know I want to
support him because you know he dude what an event what a story that I mean
this is it's such a unique story and he is a Christian supposedly I don't know
what stripe of Christian he is but well he asked Jesus yeah he also um he if you
go to his Facebook he has a lot of like Chris is a lot of Bible verses and stuff
it's it's the wrong version of the Bible of course but right he's probably
Pentecostal he's probably Pentecostal that's what I'm thinking assemblies a
guy type yeah he might be that's what all the yeah yeah yeah it was probably
his Christian friends that were all like you were doing black magic yeah right
they're like cuz we do a little black man that's my Nigerian that's your
Nigerian yeah you know but but you know I mean being on it being through that
experience he'd probably be very likely to get saved you know if he was
presented the right gospel so yeah well yeah anyways yeah guys Harrison O'Kenny
60 hours underwater is a great kids book if you have kids you can read it to them
freak them out a little bit and then it always has a good story at the end he
survives nice so Sheriff Richard Mack not to switch gears I want to get one of
those those books that he had there so I was checking out his uh his store yeah
oh yeah I suppose his store Paul do you have anyone that can call in yeah I'm
like a yeah the phone ready to get my phone's ready for 805 194 999 that's
480 5 1 9 4 999 you can call into the show give you thoughts about Harrison
O'Kenny or give you thoughts about Richard Mack man we'd love to hear from
you what a great interview good job Dustin yeah it was fun I like the guy
you know that's the that's what makes it easy and the guy's done it you know he's
done a million interviews yeah and so only a pro and he's not ashamed to say
what he thinks and so I thought that was really cool yeah I wish I'd known
more about the sheriff's back in the day maybe I would have been a sheriff I
would have been good that would be a good political thing to do yeah if you're
who wants to get into politics but that's actually a cool thing yeah the
sheriff so you young boys out there aspiring to be something with life
maybe you want to be a sheriff yeah maybe you want to grow up and wear the
star you know you know it's not a constitutional share of course yeah of
course there's no other kind except for you know pansy sellouts which you know
and orange blood don't call but we yeah no you can call that's cool he wants to
call all the time you know orange by orange bloods a big supporter man yeah I
know I know so go ahead and donate over there to CSP o a and maybe they'll send
you one of those little books and you can get one of these t-shirts that I'm
wearing being Baptist I think it being Baptist productions I don't know if they
have it for sale people were talking about that but I suggest that you buy
the Thessalonians you're just really pulling to get rid of those shirts for
me I appreciate it man I got so many of those shirts I've had a couple man it's
because of you orange blood is as ordered two of them I think nice guy
yeah he's really nice so um so um where did it go oh by this shirt yeah I've
been dropping that in random chats just like you know where people are playing
video games and stuff I'm like by this Peter so you can't do that yeah he just
censored he just finished censored and that's shipping oh if you guys want to
get the movie censored you can go to frame the world calm all right so
tomorrow night we're going to be talking with Richard Greer no this is not pretty
no that's Richard gear Richard gauge all right we have I believe we have a
caller from Austin that's right yeah it's me yeah it's only blood what's up
man what do you think I think that I've never heard of that guy's story
surviving underwater do you think that's crazy man yeah that is crazy yeah but
you can't blame the guy I mean if you know if he doesn't have a good situation
and where he lives and he wants to make some money off of it you know I don't
know much no you should not know I I feel I feel that like if you it's big if
you lived through something that traumatic you should not have to work a
day again in your life yeah you should be able to live off that yeah what that's
not true that's tragic like yeah I just I know if you could survive that you
shouldn't have to you should be able to bank that for the rest of your life yeah
no you should have to go work a nine-to-five you see what I go through
three days underwater dude how scary because you know what Logan if that
happened to you you're gonna be a jerk
and they're gonna be like it was 62 hours you're like it was the third two
days the night pause like it was seven years ago low and get over it I mean he
should have he should have wrote like a real book not just a kid's book and
maybe tried to like well he didn't write this book you know he didn't write this
book someone from America wrote the book yeah well I don't want to try to make
some money off of it but that's pretty pretty interesting story yeah if you
were with Mac was pretty good yeah I I wish there was a real book yeah
somebody has two done was asking if you can be sheriff and pastor in at the same
time and I think you can that would be actually a pretty honorable vocation
there because you you can hold a full-time job as a pastor I don't know
if there would be any conflict of interest I mean you'd have to just let
that run its course but yeah if you want to be a pastor and have a job as a
sheriff I'm pretty sure there's plenty of pastors out there that serve as
police officers so to have the tough part would just be the the politics of
it because you have to run yeah as a politician yeah to get the position hey
yeah there was a lot of questions about sheriff's in the chat tonight just to
let people know you do vote for your sheriff and you know when they're trying
to get your vote they do create websites and they have contact information so you
can call them and email them and ask them what they're about and here in
Texas they take it pretty serious so I'm any shit that runs in my County I can
call them up and ask them what they're all about then most of them are pretty
religious they're Christian I mean I don't I don't know if they're
necessarily you know fundamental Baptist but most of them have a Christian
belief you know and they may not necessarily be real Christian but they
at least play off of that to try to get votes in Texas so well do you have
anything else you want to say orange one yeah yeah I sent you that card of your
wife the rookie trading to play yeah perfect I added some gifts in there for
you okay there's several of them so if you want to hand them out to a few of
your crew members yeah I'm in the world crew yeah give them some Paul are you
getting any kind of mail from fans are you know I'm not getting mail and get a
lot of email that's what everyone does everyone all these YouTube show they
put the call man thing you know like a call I sent you some gifts and in in the
gifts one of them is made by coal and they don't make it anymore I want to
make sure you get that one Paul so when you go through the box make sure you
keep the one that's made by Cole you have to do that you have to do a live
unboxing we'll do a live unboxing that's just don't show my address bro all right
man thank you so much and I'll take it easy yeah you too Dustin I love you
Dustin great job interviewing tonight man thanks man thanks for calling us
bye man all right so all right so that was a good I just echoed you you're
like all right so I'm like all right so yeah maybe Sean Jolly I just texted him
our friend Sean Jolly from Virginia he was in the chat I told him to call so if
the phone's ringing maybe he'll yeah if you want anyone can call and we don't
yeah well I just want to go someone from Williamsburg man Sean that's it just put
him through hey frame the world what's up brother outstanding yeah awesome
thanks for having me on I want to call and talk a little bit about I guess kind
of a sheriff Mac with the I mean I think that was an awesome thing I had no idea
I mean I'd heard the name I think it was awesome what he had done as far as like
taking the taking him to task with that lawsuit what I'm thinking is that maybe
somebody needs to talk with him about maybe doing it again you know yeah but
basically an application is something else this time yeah I think that's you
know yeah just mark my words here I think what people need to start doing
and maybe this is we'll hear about this later is people need to start holding
police officers I know there's a phrase for it that they that the sovereign
people use but using like going after police officers individually like not
saying hey you're you need to fire your guy you need to suspend your guy I'm
reporting you to your superior like no I just filed a lawsuit you're being served
for X Y & Z right and so then these did these cops that you know they're just
hiding behind their their job and saying hey I'm just doing my job and be like
well your job is not to violate my rights and so you're not going to be
protected because you're just claiming to do your job you're gonna be
accountable just like anybody else who does any kind of violation against it
that's those cops are covered though by the they you can't yeah you can't sue it
well you can't they're covered by the city like when they contract like to be
a cop for that for the city or the county whatever they're under that
umbrella and so they're totally put that that's why there's so much abuse is
because they know they can't be personally held liable and I think
that's that's why it took so long to arrest this guy because they had to make
sure joke but the resting is a joke too because they're they're gonna arrest and
then he's gonna get off on some weird technicality never get well yeah they
never get the actual here's the thing though is that what what Sheriff Mac
mentioned about the city's being incorporated you know that that's a key
point right there so you've got your corporations that operate under contract
law and then you've got your you know constitutionally elected sheriff said
actually operate under constitutional common law and the common law you know
we can you can look this up but the common law going all the way back to
England and going to the time the Constitution when it was written it was
something that was set up and designed to protect the common people the little
guy like you and me you know the sole winner and so forth but then you've got
these corporate institutions that come in and set up and they're operating
under a totally different set of laws the Constitution is still you know the
law of the land so the thing is is that they'll come in with force and in fear
and intimidation try to force people into something that they don't really
want to do when in all actuality exactly what Sheriff Mac was saying he says the
sheriff only answers to we the people and we already saw that the sheriff is
the highest authority in the county ultimately in the land he even said that
he threw out the army corps of engineers and the other federal agents that were
in his county trying to prevent them from getting business done so if we had
you know sheriff's that were like this guy who actually you know has the the
stuff to be able to stand up and do this you know that would be a possibility for
being able to take the country back you know hypothetically speaking okay so
people like you Logan look at my screen real quick look at my screen read my
screen we're all guilty of we're all guilty of our own ignorance and just
being caught up in our daily day-to-day lives where we just do not know and we
do not understand the law of the land and how to make it work for us yeah so I
think I think anybody nobody is outside of personal liability so I think I could
happen is if you're doing your job they could totally leave you out on a limb
yeah but the government pays I'm saying that you base yeah you can sue the a cop
but the government no lot like he's not he's not liable for anything he's not
gonna have any kind of it's not gonna hurt him at all you know like he maybe
because they make it a rep it says what normally happens here no he would be if
you're able to take him to court and sue him personally that's maybe after he is
the one you know you can you can you guys living breathing yeah but he's not
you the the city I don't like talking about is not gonna pay out no you don't
know that that's what this article just said you don't know that uh-huh I'm just
reading the article article you just posted said that's gonna go ahead
highlight this word here no no no no that is a conditional statement right
yeah you're right it's a thing there there are previous cases of people that
have actually sued law enforcement officers government officials and
they've actually included the people's spouses as accessories after the fact
and then they talk about how you know I'm gonna see you for everything you
know this is a question we should talk to him about no we'll talk well next
one well we'll get market Victor attorneys for freedom yeah yeah I mean
that would be you know mark Victor is attorney here what they're saying oh
yeah I need defendant pastor Anderson yeah so I hear what you're saying about
that you can do it but I think in this like I think what we're talking about is
the exception proves a rule yeah that in the vast majority you're they're never
gonna be held personally liable for the actions they do on the job you can file
they can be and they have to respond no we're saying that yeah yeah but you're
you are being you don't file the suit against a corporation we got to rise up
yeah so what I'm telling you Logan is that we don't need that kind of talk
from you like hey you know what normally that's true that's right but you
know you can do that and if we just overwhelm police departments right now
start to start talking right obviously this corporate veil right well that is
true so when you when this happens a lot like this is what they're always on
Sheriff Joe about is because he was constantly having these lawsuits brought
up against him it was costing the county millions of dollars every year to
contest these courts and payouts and everything so that is a that it doesn't
admit is making a valid point there yeah but everyone starts the guy because he's
the sheriff what I'm kind of making up a grander point of going along with what
you're saying is that if you're if you are if everyone was start bringing these
suits against police officers then that and where they like normally the city
pays out for whatever they like if the city had to pay at a certain point you
could the city can literally lose its insurance coverage to have police like
that's happened plenty of times where a city can no longer have a police force
and the county sheriff's have to come in to police that area because they've lost
the ability to have a police force because there's no insurance we'll cover
them because of all see here's no or they here's the thing the guy to hang
no I'm just I'm they don't they don't have to they don't have to protect the
guy Sean can't even get a word in what's up Sean well it's cool to see here's the
thing is that you were talking about they were losing their how did you say
brother Logan you said they lose their ability then to to actually operate as a
police force right that's yeah yeah so that speaks to something that is from
old old English law and this is something that I don't fully understand
myself but I've been listening to talks about it and looking into it reading up
on it it's called a writ of whoa whoa Ronto q u o w a r r a n t o quo Romanto
it's basically saying by what authority by what you know but by what authority
do you have to do this it goes back to old you know English common law and
titles and lordship and land ownership and all things like that but it came to
a point where somebody was operating well outside the scope of their
authority and you challenge that with a writ of quo Ronto and in modern terms if
it were the case if you were to issue a writ of quo Ronto challenging their
authority and if you were able to prove that they were operating outside of the
scope of their authority as a corporation then they forfeit all rights
to operate as a corporation and they lose their corporate charter so that could
be typically applied to any corporation you say like you apply it to Halliburton
with that Gulf oil spill or whatever but this could also be applied to a
municipality that's incorporated the same way that the sheriff was talking
about cities are incorporated well if the city is operating outside of its
scope of authority and you can prove it and you issue a right of quo Ronto I'm
sure that no judge in the land would sign it because it would require the
the signature of a judge but if that hypothetically were to happen then the
corporation would be disbanded and the assets would be dispersed to the
shareholders thereof and the the city of fill in the blank would cease to exist
so practically so practically when would you do that I mean in our current
situation if there's something like imaginary coming down the road
what would that have somebody had the stones to do that I mean you could do
that all over the country and literally take it back into a constitutionally
like a constitutional sheriff's zone period because right now like he was
saying constitutionally elected sheriff's are those that are taking care
of everything that's outside of the incorporated cities if you remove the
incorporated cities and everything comes under jurisdiction of the
constitutionally elected sheriff's the way the Constitution originally designed
Eric G says they arrested the sheriff in New Mexico for interfering on an
investigation so maybe maybe they were really interfering with an investigation
because you still can't commit crimes I don't know what's an ongoing internal
power struggle and a lot of times people don't see it because they don't know
what they're looking at alright so back to the point I wanted to throw back at
Logan is that it you could like file a lawsuit against anybody you just get
their full name and you can just say hey I want to file a complaint or file a
lawsuit and bring a lawsuit and they got to answer it now if it's frivolous
obviously you can't do that if it's fraud you can't do that but I think if
there's police officers that are doing I will use the example of police officers
but could be anybody so who knows we'll see what happens in the future let's see
if it comes back around we'll just park it and see what happens so what's going
on Sean what do you well that's I mean that's pretty much it I there was a time
in my life when I would really I was really interested into learning more
about this whole common law versus commercial law debate and so forth and I
think that there's definitely a lot of merit to it if there's somebody that has
the ability to really delve into that and learn about that because here's the
thing anytime that you hire an attorney to go to bat for you they're never going
to be working for you because they're beholden to the Bar Association right
what I'm what I'm learning is a Bar Association is actually tied back to the
City of London and there's the reason why they call people barristers or bars
we should get a lawyer to the social club maybe we should just interview a
lawyer like let's just get a lawyer on the show but they would probably just
totally yeah they're gonna give you their official yeah but then we just go
ahead and and not that we would do this but totally just start hitting in the
heart I got a question what about the Bar Association thing where is that is
is that how does that come up and see if they'll talk about it well they probably
won't because they're under threat of being disbarred and once they're
disbarred that they can't quote-unquote practice laws an attorney anywhere yes
so then I would just say are you not allowed to talk about it because you'll
get disbarred and then people find out what they're allowed to talk about yeah
right yeah that'd be interesting there's another there's a guy who lives
in Dallas Fort Worth I believe he's originally from Toronto who is I think
his YouTube channel is called sovereign living or something like that and I
started looking at his stuff a while back I haven't looked at it in a while
just come trying to focus on more spiritual things but he seems to have a
lot of answers about a lot of things and in fact he claims to be the guy that
caused former Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez to resign because he was
bringing federal suit against him and he didn't want to put up a fight so he just
decided he would rather tuck tail and leave mm-hmm so I think he could be an
interesting guest if we could actually get him on to talk about it yeah used to
live in Phoenix all right man well thank you so much for calling in I hope you
have a good day appreciate it God bless you guys all right brother bye thanks
man see you Sean yeah Sean's got a lot of understanding about that common law
stuff we've gotten into we yeah own talks about that kind of stuff because
that's you know what it comes down to let me just give you guys some
fundamental legal stuff is everything is offer acceptance okay I'm gonna give you
guys a little lesson that I thought you didn't want to get too deep Dustin
remember you're saying how you sometimes get to know no that's when I start
talking about the Jews and stuff so so everything's offer acceptance all right
so that means like what I just said is an offer okay so what does that mean
that means you have to accept it or deny it so whenever I'm claiming something
I'm I'm making a statement and I'm when I whenever you make a statement you're
you're claiming something so you know I'm giving a witness or I'm Ramones
trying to ring in sorry dude so so everything's offer and acceptance right
so whenever we're interacting with somebody hi my name is Dustin I'm just
making an offer right and so there's four ways to to respond there's there's
really two two ways to to respond to an offer you're either going to accept it
or refuse it that's it you just accept it and that means you take it and now
you're in agreement with somebody and you know they make an offer hey my name
is Dustin and you're like I'll accept that you shake hands and now you've
established a fact right or you've made an agreement you guys with me on this so
it's very fundamental but it's everything that you do all day long you
know it's it's you know a sign on the wall you'll see this everywhere you know
you must wear a mask if you enter in right so there's offer and acceptance
right so you eat you see that's their offer if you want to come in the store
you would have to do this right so there's two ways to respond you either
accept or you refuse all right and there's two types of response there's
honorable and dishonorable right so there's a right way to accept and there
well there's yours hold on a second let me just make sure I get this right I
haven't thought about this and then I'm not trying to use my fingers usually
when I'm just describing this so you have offer acceptance you have you have
acceptance and refusal so that means you're like my name is Dustin you're
like I'm gonna have to see some ID right maybe something like that so what you're
doing is you're conditionally accepting right so that's an honorable way to off
where you're not fully accepting it's it's a way of refusing it's called in a
conditional acceptance so you have straight out okay so there's four ways
to respond there's total acceptance where my name is Dustin I accept that a
second type of it's a way to refuse but you're not accepting and that's a
conditional acceptance that means you're not make sure I have this broken down
right yeah where you conditionally accept you're like listen I'll believe
that your name's Dustin if you show me your your ID or you get somebody else to
prove it or to make the statement so then what you've done now is now you've
taken it and you've turned it around so now it's their turn to respond so
there's always a back and forth so there's a process and this is how the
entire legal system is is is worked out and then you have arguing which is not
an honorable so those are two honorable ways you accept fully and the or you
conditionally accept so those are the right ways to do it so if somebody makes
an offer to you you you just accept it now you're in agreement or you
conditionally accept and then you put terms on them and then you allow them to
either accept or reject your offer the next thing would be to argue be like I
don't believe your name's Dustin you're lying to me it's not your name it's your
name is George and then you have that's the third way that's not honorable
that's not gonna get you a result that's not gonna make you friends you're not
gonna come to an agreement with anybody by arguing and then the fourth answer is
to just be it's dishonorable and that is to be silent now you hear this a lot
like well silence is agreement so what you're when you don't answer what
you're basically saying is I don't you know that person's claim is is
undisputed so when they say that people are you know silence is agreement and
that's true but it's not an honorable way to come to an agreement with
somebody is to just let it's just to ignore them and to be in silence so I
don't know what the point I was making on this is but you know you know so I
guess just talking to the people is when you're into these when you're
interacting with people and whatever it may be you got to realize that when
somebody comes up and they make a statement or they they give you an order
or you know that what they're doing is they're making an offer like that's
your relationship to everybody all the time so when you're sitting in the pew
at church and the preacher is saying hey you know you need to get the sin out of
your life quit drinking quit smoking and doing all that or whatever you know it's
like that's just an offer coming to you and you can respond to it maybe that's
not a good example but but there's four ways to respond that's kind of the meat
of it is that everything's an offer and it requires your either acceptance or
refusal and there's two ways to accept that's complete 100% acceptance
conditional acceptance that means you put it back on the other person and this
is you know this is like this is the art of negotiating I mean I could probably
sit down with Donald Trump and he would say yep this is exactly how it works and
then so you know so the conditional so if somebody comes along and says hey
take this vaccination and you say well I will take that vaccination thank you
very much that's exactly what what I want and then you know so you're in
agreement they're offering something to you and you accept it and then the sex
thing would the next thing would be you know take this vaccination you're like I
will take the vaccination so you're still an honor you're not creating any
dispute because that's what happens is you're not arguing there's no dispute is
if you do a conditional acceptance this is the route to go when you don't want
to agree with somebody who's making an offer or making a claim you say well
that I would do that if and that's the main word for a conditional acceptance
is the word if I will take the vaccine if you take full responsibility for any
negative a consequence right and then they would have to go and say no and
that means they're dishonoring you in your counter offer and you win you walk
away and say have a nice day or they could say yes I will take full
responsibility I will be fully accountable and therefore that you're in
agreement again so you win again but if you start arguing then you have a
dispute and then it needs to be you're in dishonor there's no agreement and
that's when you start getting into court you know that's when disputes start
happening and that's when you know it starts getting litigious and people need
to get third parties and get witnesses and substantiate claims and force people
to do things because they they're arguing so it's never good to argue even
if you totally disagree with somebody it's the answer is never to argue the
answer is to conditionally accept and if you're silent basically you're in
agreement with that person whether whether you you are in your heart or not
so okay Ashley says okay and so what Dustin is talking about that works in
court right I've heard other podcasts talking about this type of stuff yeah I
guess so I know there's lots of stuff out there about this I would suggest
everybody does it I think it's something that we should teach our children you
know I think it's something that that just comes down to how you interact with
people I think it's a it's a foundational thing that needs to be
around how we think you know and I think it's a way to remember how to be
honorable because it's one of the best ways to resolve interpersonal
conflicts is to just look at it from this foundational type of viewpoint
because then you can determine if you're being honorable in it you know you know
you just want to get to yes that's where you really want to get to you want to
agree with people and so the idea is to agree with your adversary agree with the
people you disagree with to come to terms where you can say yes but the
conditional acceptance is the gateway to come to terms that you can say yes to
without becoming a dishonorable argumentative Karen as they call them on
the internet very much commonly recently
that was nice to put us in what do you put I believe we have Ramon on the
phones Ramona you still on with us yeah can you hear me okay yeah well go ahead
man did you want to Skype in uh yeah I'm in I just I wanted to see what it looked
like I want to see if the setup looks good and if my audio sounds good oh
we're just you're just using us yeah but Paul was talking about those books
those like children that children's book with the guy underwater there's something
that we got for our children recently and I don't know if Paul should like
contact this guy but it's Connor boy act I can't see it Ramon no you can't it's
not a video oh really hit the video ball yeah you you call then to her phone
oh really okay well no this is what happened
Dustin did not answer the phone yeah I the video I didn't I dishonored your
phone call I went silent man so I'm so it's just your phone yeah I did ring us
back man Paul's not gonna like that because it's not good TV yeah so we'll
give him we'll give him we'll let him use us for his video check yeah so you're
talking about that book oh yeah he was talking about that yeah alright so he's
on the iPad but I don't see video alright well Skype video though we're
not seeing you rather alright let's not do this you can do it off air okay so
there's too much at stake okay so it's it's by it's called the Tuttle twins and
it's yeah yeah I tried they don't um for some reason they they don't want me to
sell the book I don't like my store I tried whatever dude like I mean it's
still a good book so you know I mean yeah I have this the series for my kids
yeah so that's what that that that story about that guy like reminded me of the
sheriff and everything like those books are really pretty much all about freedom
liberty also Paul have you tried to try to get some copies of like these little
citizen rule books that they're like little pocket constitutions yeah yeah I
haven't no I should do that yeah man I was I was going through it last night
but yeah I just wanted to call in and drop that that suggestion on you so yeah
and your feet if you're a grown-up you probably need to read the Tuttle twins
to brush up a little bit because you'd be surprised of how uneducated people
are just because we just live in a natural world where we're just we don't
think about these things and most of our influences come from our society and our
culture and so understanding the principles of of commerce and you know
how to make deals and how to to do things like balance your checkbook or
those things aren't talked about but even so like how the Constitution works
and how the people's rights are and all of those things people just don't know
so it's not boring to read to your kids you know you're not you're not like
falling asleep because it's just like a really boring story you know you're
actually into it and like it does like you said it reminds you it brushes you
up on your rights and the things to do one of my favorite ones is food truck
fiasco and it kind of talks about like you know obviously the food trucks and
like how the government like lobbies with restaurants how they can't be
within a certain amount of feet from like a like a big restaurant you know
because obviously it's competing prices it's better quality food but you know
they want you to go to the restaurant that kind of thing so yeah I just want
to recommend those books I like reading them to my kids and so is my wife's
awesome man well thank you so much for calling in sorry about the video man I
don't know why he did it he didn't hit his video icon that's why I work but I'm
not gonna sit here and go over how to work the stupid thing so he's got like
some high-tech setup he just doesn't know how to use Skype Paul's getting
aggressive up here alright well that's probably that's it man yeah was it you
got what's with the time zone over here on the clock man what do you mean it's
like you know okay unplugged I mean so does anybody a favor by just plugging a
clock up putting across I walked by and I was like that cocky right yeah it
tripped over the cord and it unplugged and I never reset it's like Africa at
least it's not flashing all right well yeah all right well guys thank you so
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still live talking Paul cuts it off we're still just we're still talking
sweet Logan were you like into all this stuff in he must have been what's all
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