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Tonight should be a pretty interesting stream.
We're gonna be talking with Lori.
She is an RN.
Are you an RN?
Is that what they call you?
What are you?
No, I'm not an RN.
I'm basically a scheduler.
I schedule imaging appointments.
Okay, all right.
So you work for a hospital.
That's how I should have, okay.
So we have Lori here and she works for a hospital.
And in the county that she lives in,
the public health department ordered a full vaccine mandate
for all healthcare workers.
So Lori obviously didn't wanna take this flu vaccine.
And so she joined, she created a protest,
organized a protest.
People join and the health department
rescinded their order of mandatory flu vaccine.
So this is gonna be a positive live stream
tonight, everyone.
This is exciting because sometimes when we speak up
and we're not scared, things actually change
and for the better.
And Lori took a stand here
and when all of our other workers probably didn't want,
some of them didn't wanna take it.
They were scared.
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Shane, how are you doing today?
Good, good, good.
How are you Paul?
Very good.
How are you?
Nice to meet you, Laurie.
Yeah, nice to see you.
All right, Laurie.
So let's get right into it.
Tell me, tell us just break down what happened
and what led you to take the steps that you did.
Okay, so basically over the last four years
that I've worked there,
I've worked there actually for almost 10 years,
but the most recent four years,
we were required to wear a mask
if we didn't get the flu shot.
So I've never gotten the flu shot.
And so, because I have, you know,
my family has vaccine reactions
and I'm just worried that I might react to it.
I'm also just religiously against it.
So this year, my hospital came out with a memo saying that,
yeah, the vaccine, it won't be mandated.
It'll just be strongly encouraged.
So I was happy because I was thinking,
oh good, they won't require anything.
So that's great.
Well, so then a couple of weeks later,
they have a new memo that basically says
that if we don't get the flu vaccine,
we will get 30 days of unpaid leave.
And then if we still don't get it, we'll get terminated.
And they also used as their backup,
the county order from the public health officer
that was stating the same thing,
that it's mandatory,
the only way to get out of it is a medical exemption,
which is very difficult to get.
So that would really upset me because I'm like,
well, am I just gonna have to look for another job?
And so I told my son that I'm like,
I guess I'll just look for work somewhere else
because I don't want to get this flu shot.
And he basically said,
mom, if you're gonna lose your job anyway,
why don't you just fight it?
And I go, okay, fight it, all right.
I don't know what that means exactly.
But so then I asked my pastor about it
and he's in agreement with me about vaccines.
He doesn't agree with getting them.
And he said the same thing, fight it.
And I'm like, what do you mean fight it?
They're like, we'll gather people together.
I'm like, like how, you know?
So, and I was thinking I was all alone.
It was just me.
I'm like, hardly anybody agrees with me.
Everybody else is gonna get it.
This is ridiculous.
So then I look online and I noticed
that somebody had posted a petition
that was against my hospital and the county
saying that we shouldn't have this mandate.
And there was like 500 signatures.
And I looked on the comments
and there was these doctors and nurses
that I know that I'm familiar with
that had all said that this mandate is ridiculous.
So I'm like, well, there's some people that agree.
So I started trying to share that
on social media, on Facebook.
I was sharing it in all these different pages.
It got to the point where they were blocking me
and they were shutting off the comments
and trying to like really shut it down.
So it was really frustrating for me.
So I decided to make my own page.
So it's called Why Rika Scoop.
And it's just basically, I originally wanted it
to be a place of open ideas for people.
Well, then I decided, you know what?
Why don't I just do a protest?
Cause like we had already sent in a letter
with 72 nurses and doctors names attached to it
to the board of supervisors
and nothing really was happening with that.
So I decided to create an event
and it was called immunity from tyranny.
And so it was this protest at 7 a.m.
and we were going to protest in front of public health.
And then we were gonna go over
to the board of supervisors meeting
and protest there as well.
And then give public comments.
Yeah.
And you know, I wanna quickly play the news clip
that you sent me because I think that really
kind of puts it all in context.
So I'm gonna play that clip
and we're gonna come back and talk about it the rest of the way.
Here we go.
Okay.
County community members are protesting
a mandatory flu vaccine for all healthcare workers.
Medical.
Freedom.
Medical.
Freedom.
Medical.
Freedom.
Event organizers called this morning's protest
outside the Siskiyou County courthouse
immunity from tyranny, advocating for healthcare workers
to choose whether or not they get an influenza vaccine.
In early September, Siskiyou County public health
made the announcement that healthcare workers
are required to get the vaccine during this flu season.
The department says the overlap and symptoms
of COVID-19 and the flu,
along with a lack of effective treatment
for coronavirus requires additional
public health intervention.
But some healthcare workers who were protesting Tuesday
disagree.
We are about choice.
We are not anti-vaccine.
We are about making a choice.
And if there's a mandate for something
that takes away my informed consent
and I believe that's a basic human right.
Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors
member Lisa L. Nixon declined to comment on the matter
but says she heard the mandate
could potentially change tomorrow.
We reached out to Siskiyou County Public Health today
but we are still waiting to hear back.
And I think that's a very powerful clip there
cause it really just shows that there's more people
than just you at this protest.
A lot of people showed up and were supportive of the message.
Well, and I'll tell you what,
when I was heading to the protest, I was so insecure.
I was thinking here it was still dark outside
and I'm thinking, am I an idiot?
Why did I sign up for this?
I'm gonna look like an idiot.
No one's gonna show up.
It's gonna be me by myself.
I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and do this.
Well, we had signs and everything.
My pastor had showed up
and then we had like 30 people that showed up.
So I was so excited and I got out my cowbell.
I was ringing that.
And so just yelling and I had my cone,
I was speaking through, it was so fun.
I really had a blast.
It was really cool.
Awesome.
Well, what is the main message?
Cause I know my sister is an RN
and she went through the exact same thing
that you went through with them making you wear,
I mean, sorry, making you get the flu vaccine.
And so what she did is she made a huge stink
and she just wore the mask.
Right.
She did that for years and years.
And so, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people
that are just fed up with these things.
And what makes you not want to get the flu vaccine?
Well, part of it is I have a twin sister who's autistic
and she has cerebral palsy.
And when she was three, she got an MMR vaccine
and she could speak before that.
She could speak a few words, but she got that vaccine.
And then within like a day, she had a seizure
and she couldn't talk anymore.
And for her being able to speak would be a huge advantage
because she can't walk, she can't talk,
she's very smart, but she can't communicate very well.
And so that would be a huge advantage for her.
And she lost that advantage from the MMR vaccine.
And then on top of that, I have a family member
who had, they got the swine flu vaccine back in the 70s
and they had temporary paralysis from the chest down
for about like 30 minutes.
And because of that, they're no longer able
to get the flu vaccine at all.
And so that was a close family member of mine.
And then my sister who also spoke at the meeting,
she had a very bad reaction from the flu vaccine
after she had been getting it for a few years.
And then she ended up with a permanent rash
and then also just some neurological symptoms.
So that's part of it.
And then also, I'm an independent fundamental Baptist.
I don't believe that we need to have something injected
to assist our immune system.
I think our immune system is just fine.
And really what's a little flu a couple of days in bed?
I mean, what's that compared to possibly autoimmune problems
or any number of things that could go wrong with a vaccine?
So there's just lots of reasons.
And there's people need to realize that some people
are more susceptible to these problems
from vaccines than others.
And when I was making a film years ago on vaccines
and I interviewed probably about 10 different families
that were all pro-vaccine
and they gave their kids the flu shot or different vaccines.
And they said their little kid just changed overnight
where they were making eye contact,
they were just normal kids.
And then after the vaccines,
after the seven rounds of vaccines or the 20 rounds
one parent was telling me about,
they said their eyes glazed over,
they stopped making eye contact,
they started rubbing their feces against the wall.
So sad.
They just completely changed.
This mother looked at me and it's very powerful footage,
I hope to release it someday.
She looked at me and she was like,
I hurt my daughter.
Like she was like, I could see,
it was like a light bulb that went off in her eyes.
And she was just a bright, brilliant child.
And then now she's just ruined forever.
A lot of people are like,
oh, you're just anti-vaxx, you're anti-vaxx.
But they started off not anti-vaxx,
they started off being pro-vaxx
and then they realized that of the problems with it
and they're just trying to let people know.
And that seems to be like what you're trying to say.
Right, and here's the thing too.
We had a private group of people
that work at the hospitals that I work at.
And so many of them were so scared to say anything.
They were so scared that they were gonna get fired
that I'm like, well, somebody has to speak up.
And I'm an introvert, I'm shy, I'm not outgoing,
but I'm like, well, I care about the subject.
I'm gonna say something
because the more out there I am and saying something
then the less likely they are to fire me
because it's gonna be obvious, so.
And yeah, there was lots of different people
with varying degrees of,
like some people get the flu shot every year
but they're against a mandate.
Some people are anti-vaccine.
So for me, I'm trying to represent a group of people.
I'm saying we are not anti-vaxx, we are just for choice
because that's the one thing we all agreed on
was we don't like mandates.
Right.
Yeah, my mom actually took a flu shot in the early 2000s
and she went blind.
Oh, goodness.
And she took the flu shot on the Friday
and by the Sunday she was blind
and then she had to go for a bunch of surgeries
and in the long run, she ended up losing an eye.
So now she has vision in one eye, so.
And that's before I ever heard about anti flu,
anti-vacciners or anything like that.
It's just, she went to the doctor
for like a routine checkup
and the doctor's like, you should get a flu shot.
And my mom's like, well, okay.
And next thing you know, she's had a battle
for about a couple of years just to get the one eye back.
So yeah, flu vaccines are pretty serious.
That's terrible.
Yeah. They are.
So what are you doing now, Lori?
What is your message now?
What are you trying to accomplish now
that you've rescinded that order?
What's your main point now?
So what I wanna do is encourage other people
to do the same thing.
So to kind of give like a how to
because I didn't know what I was doing.
I had never even started a group page before or anything
but yet we were successful.
And I think just taking certain steps really helps
and just having the courage to stand up and go,
no, we're gonna do this.
We're gonna have a protest.
And the time is really getting close
to where we got to make changes
before this October 31st deadline
because that's kind of the flu shot deadline
for people to get it or to make something happen
to rescind the orders.
Cause there's other counties in California
and probably around the country
that are also doing the same thing.
So I'm just trying to encourage people
that you can do this too.
It's not very difficult.
In fact, start to finish the entire process for me,
it took a week, start to finish
and then it was rescinded and we're good, so yeah.
Wow, well, I really wish there was more nurses
like you out there that took a stand
because people don't understand the power
of just one person taking a stand at these things
because when someone sees someone doing some bold,
it's much easier for the second and third person
to come along.
That's right.
It's super hard for that first person.
So if you're listening out there
and it can't hurt, like she said,
I was gonna quit anyways, might as well get fired.
Yeah, and you know what?
I just kind of reached a point
cause I was talking to my coworkers over the text
and they felt all helpless.
Like they couldn't do any more
and we sent the letter in and all that
and nothing was happening.
And I'm like, I wanna do something about this.
I'm tired of being afraid.
And that's the thing is that these employers
and the public health department,
they are using fear to control people.
And it's like we either buckle under the fear
or we stand up and go, no, I'm not gonna put up with this.
Because honestly, I think it is a crime against humanity
to not give people a choice to hold their livelihood
over their head instead of giving them a choice
of what medical procedures are done to them.
I mean, it's a basic human right, it really is.
And that's how they do it.
They have to scare you into submission.
Yeah, that's right.
So I did kind of wanna go over
just basically the process of what I did that worked.
So I created a group page and then I created the event
and Unity from Tyranny is what I called it.
And I made a nice description in there
and the key was to obviously share it
on a bunch of local pages.
And even those were getting shut down,
like they would close off,
they would turn off the comments and things
like they were really trying to suppress it
but I kept getting it out there.
So then I started creating funny memes about vaccination
and how it might lead to the CV vaccination
being mandated also.
And so I kept people engaged by posting things frequently
at least once a day, if not more than once a day.
And I also posted photos of my signs that I was making
so they knew that I was really gonna do this.
And I also went, I created flyers and went door to door.
I had like a catchy title on the top
and explained where the protest was and everything.
And I passed out like 300 flyers over the weekend.
And so that was a way to get over the censorship
and you're just basically taking the flyer
and you're putting it on someone's doorstep
so that you're not littering.
And the other thing that I did was I created rules
for people at the protest.
Because you want the protest
to be as respectable as possible.
You wanna respect law enforcement.
You want to no jaywalking, use the crosswalk,
don't block entrances and exits
because you don't want to block anybody in.
You don't wanna do anything that could get you in trouble
that could make it where the officials
aren't taking you seriously.
So I created those rules, I posted those on the event.
And then I encourage people to say,
hey, let me know if you're going,
please mark it on the event so that they would be engaged
that I could at least go,
well, who's really gonna go here?
And so I took a cowbell and that was really loud.
It was really nice
because I didn't have to yell the whole time,
but we got a lot of attention.
What's really cool was the public health officials,
a couple of them were coming out there
and standing out there looking at us
giving us dirty looks.
And I was like, yeah, I just kept ringing my bell.
It was really fun, it was cool.
And then the other thing too is in my particular county,
it may be different in other counties,
but the board of supervisors,
when they opened it up for public comments,
I mentioned when I was talking to them
at the end of my little three minutes that they gave me,
I said, because they said that they can't rescind this order
they don't have that authority,
but I knew that they have the authority
to reprimand the public health officer.
So they could fire them or they could reprimand them
or pressure them to rescind that order.
So I told them in my comments, I said,
if you have to fire this person
or whatever you have to do to rescind this order,
please do that, please stand with us.
And they did.
And I really have to give a shout out
to the board of supervisors because they were awesome.
They listened to us, they heard us
and they did something about it.
Wow, I didn't realize
that they actually overturned it like that.
Yeah, it was the next day it was rescinded.
Wow, that is so powerful.
Yeah, it was awesome.
And of course I wanna thank everybody who prayed
because I put some requests in the prayer requests
and I really think God have a hand in this, obviously.
I mean, he was there with us, so it was awesome.
So I have a question, is your page still going right now?
Is like, are you still like making like the memes
and all that stuff?
I probably should make another meme.
I did make a meme just the other day that was pretty funny.
I basically, I showed a sweaty person on the top
saying co-workers afraid to start a protest
and the bottom half had a guy with a new song
saying first time, like that's me, like I'm all confident.
But anyway, you'll see the meme if you look it up.
But it's called Why Rica Scoop is my page
and then the event is called Immunity From Tyranny.
And I still have it up.
And also the other thing that was really good
was we have live streams.
So I started live streams on Facebook
a couple of different times and that really drew more people
out to come to it because they saw that it was a big deal.
That it was, and oh, and I also want to thank Dr. Hess
because he came over to this thing.
He had a State of Jefferson flag
and he had his white doctor coat on with the stethoscope.
And he said this really inspirational speech
on the steps of the courthouse and that just like,
the next day it had like over 4,000 views.
He was super inspirational.
That was super cool, yeah.
So anyway.
Do you have like, do you think that in the future
there'll be like, you'll have to fight this battle
every year when the flu shot comes out or when the-
Here's the thing, we know that the CV vaccine
is coming down the pike and part of the playbook
for the CDC playbook for the CV vaccine
is to ramp up influenza vaccinations,
be it mandatory or whatever.
Hold on, are you talking about the coronavirus vaccine?
Yes, I don't know what words I'm allowed to say
because we are on YouTube, right?
So they might censor us.
So I'm saying CV because I know that that can get
under the radar.
Yeah, so that's what I'm talking about, yes.
So we know that's coming down the pike.
So we're going to have to,
if we don't stand up now, we may not have a chance.
So you're going to have to potentially ramp this up
when the CV vaccine comes out or maybe in the future.
So you said that the person that was in charge
of the health board or whatever,
he's the one that rescinded the order, is that-
Yeah, so the public health officer,
and this is the thing is that they are now using,
instead of going the legal route through the state
where it's voted on and that kind of thing,
they're going through public health.
So public health is your target.
So the public health officer that orders this,
that's essentially your target in the sense of,
you want to make the board of supervisors do something
to either get rid of that person or to pressure them
so that they will rescind the order.
That's because they're going around kind of
in a roundabout way, going through public health
so that they can mandate it, even though really
it's really not legal what they're doing.
So if they get like somebody new,
like a new sheriff in town kind of deal,
or they take it to the next level,
I guess are you ready to fight that battle
with them then too?
Oh, absolutely.
I will fight to the nail, whatever it takes.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, whatever it takes.
Have you been approached by like anybody else
that has heard your story?
Like maybe somebody else in another hospital
in another community or another district or something?
Yeah, Tehama County, I know they,
I don't know if that was rescinded or not,
but I know a lot of the people from Tehama County
were really talking, being like, how did you do this?
And people from LA County were like, how did you do this?
Tell me how, you know, and I kind of wrote it up
really quick, but that's why this kind of video is good
because people need to know how to do it.
And I'm just so thankful that we were successful.
It just really, it was cool how it all turned out.
But yeah, I want other people to know how to do this
because there is, there are a lot of people
from other counties that are wanting to know
how do we do this?
Yeah, I guess it could work in other countries too
because I have like family members that are,
that work in the medical field.
And I know that they said that like one of them
is a relative and they didn't want to take a flu shot
based just on my mom, right?
Like what happened to my mom.
Right, right.
But then they kind of, they never pushed back
because they were just kind of like, kind of like you,
well, if I push back, nobody else is going to do anything
and I'm going to be the only one.
And so it's kind of inspiring that you did that.
And sometimes you, maybe you don't,
some people might not have to push that hard.
Some might have to push really hard to get it done,
but some might not just have to just say,
I'm going to take a stand here.
And when they realize that you're going to take a stand,
then that's maybe when they'll ease off, right?
So.
Yeah, and yeah, so I mean, people just,
they just need to be strong and be like, no.
And I honestly, I mean, I'm a single mom.
I depend on my job and there's not a lot of work
in my town that I live in.
So I depend on my job, but I'm like, you know what?
I'm done being afraid.
I'm going to stand up.
I'm tired of letting them strong arm me
to do something that I'm not cool with, so.
I guess your approach that you took,
like by creating the board, the YouTube channel
or the Facebook, sorry, and all those avenues,
that thing that you wrote up,
you could probably apply that to other places like schools
or other companies or businesses that want to mandate,
because like you said,
that when the coronavirus vaccine comes out,
there's going to be a lot of people mandating
in their companies and whatever that you need,
you have not, you should, you have to take this vaccine.
And I think that by kind of having a way
to give them people instructions
on how to get this thing going,
because we need people to just start saying,
I'm not going to do that, right?
And we need, and because that person, like you said,
is not the only person possibly in that business
or in that area or whatever that's just,
you know, that feels the same way,
but we've got, people have to link up
in order not to just fall under pressure, right?
Yeah, and that's the thing too,
is there is, there's definitely censorship on Facebook.
I mean, I experienced it a lot where like,
I would post something and then I couldn't see it
and I'm like, and I couldn't see the comments.
I had it where I said, well, here's an option.
What do you guys think we should do?
Please comment below.
And then they'd say, we can't comment.
It was stuff like that where it's like,
and it was so frustrating,
even with my own page where I'm the admin,
it still was giving me issues.
So, I mean, we, I think we need to link up,
figure out ways to link up outside of Facebook,
but Facebook is very convenient,
very easy to share stuff, but.
Yeah, that's what people use, same with YouTube.
It's like, they own these conglomerates
that that's where everyone goes
and that's how you create a movement.
You have to use those platforms to do that.
And so, yeah, that's,
it's really inspiring to hear your story.
I wanted to show your meme,
cause it's pretty classic, it's pretty classic.
I love my memes, yes, show them please.
No worries, just afraid to start a protest, me.
That is good.
Is it the one with the noose?
Yeah, it's the noose, yeah.
And I really liked, I had a Borg one.
Did you see the Borg one yet?
I haven't, no.
Oh yeah, right here, I got it right here,
I got it right here.
Okay, okay.
Read it if you can, do you know what it says?
I can't, I can't see it.
What does that say, Shane?
The Siskiyou Company Board of Supervisors
is awesome for sending the mandate, thank you.
Oh, I think that's not the-
Yeah, that was telling them thank you,
that's not the Borg one.
That's not the one.
The Borg one is kind of red and gray.
Yeah, okay, well, I guess we don't have that one.
That's okay, it just said,
it said mandatory vaccines, resistance is futile.
Oh, I got it, I got it, I got it right here, yeah, yeah.
There it is, yeah. Oh, okay, you got it.
Meme, that is good.
Yeah, you need to make more of these memes.
Well, I said, Board of Supervisors,
don't be like the Borg, you know?
So anyway, yeah, it was fun.
So out of your protest or getting that order rescinded,
how many people kinda, or do you even know the number
of how many people that actually did not take
the flu vaccine because you stood up in your work
or your area?
Here's the thing, it seemed like a large percentage got it
because when my employer put out the new memo,
they said that like most of them got it.
So maybe only 20 didn't get it or something,
but I can't be sure, but I know that they were definitely
ramping up giving people flu shots and pressuring them.
Right, like even the day of the protest and everything,
because I took half a day off and then I went to work.
Well, they were really pressuring people
because I could tell, because here's the deal,
and granted you'll have to look this up,
but I know a few things about money
and what goes into play.
So a hospital, if they get a 90% vaccination rate
of their employees, they get a full Medicare reimbursement.
So basically they get more money
if their employees are vaccinated.
And then also public health will get $55,000
if 400 healthcare workers are vaccinated
with the flu shot.
So if you have a small community,
your public health department wants that money.
So, and there's also state incentives to your hospital
through the state of California for different vaccines.
So they just, there's money on all sides for it to be had
if people get vaccinated at their work, so.
So after they rescinded the order,
did they like ramp up like maybe pressure tactics
or anything like that to get the vaccine?
Or like, were you like, were some people,
do you still think like kind of guilted
into taking the vaccine or like?
Before it was rescinded, they were really,
they were like, anybody here not vaccinated?
Anybody need it still?
Going around and they were, yeah,
they were really ramping it up.
I think because they knew,
maybe they knew it was gonna get rescinded.
I don't know.
But they were definitely ramping it up,
especially the day of the protest,
they were super ramping it up.
So yeah, but they, but after they,
after it was rescinded and they came out with a new memo,
I haven't seen any pressure.
I think they're kind of,
I think they reached the quota that they needed to.
So did you get, has anybody at your work,
like came over and just like,
thank you for like standing up and you know, and.
My close coworkers in my department, definitely.
But what's funny is a lot of the people that I know
that are against it,
they a lot of times won't even make eye contact with me.
And I think it's that they're afraid
to be associated with me.
Even though they didn't take the vaccine?
Yeah, yeah.
I think that they're scared
that maybe I'm on the chopping block and they'll be next.
I don't know.
But I did have one person that was in support of it
that said, are you stoked?
And I go, stoked?
She had found out that it was rescinded.
So I'm like, seriously?
I'm so excited.
It's so awesome.
Do they keep a record?
Is it like anonymous?
Or do they keep a record of who got the flu shot?
Like, do they know everybody?
They do.
Because what they wanted to do was,
they wanted to have it where,
and they may even still do it,
where you have to have a sticker system on your badge,
where you have a sticker and you have to wear a mask
if you don't get it.
I didn't get it.
Even after it was rescinded,
they still have that sticker and mask thing going on?
I think they're gonna do that, if I remember right.
I think they are going to do that.
And then also, you have to sign a decline form.
And so they definitely know who does and who doesn't.
And also, I have to wear a mask during the flu season
if I don't get it.
So it's really obvious.
But we also wear masks because of corona.
So maybe they won't be able to tell.
I don't know.
Does your mask have to say unclean or something like that?
Maybe that'll separate you from the rest.
Well, and I've been wearing that mask for years.
And honestly, before it was like,
I'm not gonna let them force me to get the shot
because honestly, when I come into contact with the public
and I'm wearing a mask and no one else is wearing a mask,
they'll go, oh, are you sick?
What's the matter?
Why are you wearing a mask?
And I'll say, well, actually I'm required to wear it
because I didn't get my flu shot.
And then they'll either be like, that's ridiculous.
Or they'll go, well, shame on you.
Oh, really?
Oh, so you got it from all over the place, huh?
Yeah, it's like wearing a dunce cap, seriously.
Oh, wow.
Well, now though, with the whole coronavirus,
you're just gonna fit right in with everyone else.
Oh, yeah.
No, everybody's like against it.
They're scared of it because it's not adequately tested.
And there's some scary stuff.
Like I heard AstraZeneca, they're doing trials for it.
And they had two people that got neurological symptoms.
And one of the people,
they had to actually halt the study for a while.
One of the people said that they feel dead inside
and they can't feel God anymore.
That's what they said.
Yeah.
So I mean, that's scary.
Yeah, with the flu shot,
you know, at least, you know,
you're probably gonna be fine.
More than likely you're gonna be fine.
You might get a little, you know,
neurological damage.
Micro-blind, maybe?
Yeah, you might get some neurological damage.
But more than likely you will be fine.
But with this whole coronavirus vaccine,
there's no testing.
I mean, they're just pushing this thing through.
And yeah, I would not take that vaccine.
And that's the thing.
I'm thinking about building a,
maybe building a page on Facebook,
but see, I might get censored.
I don't know.
But I wanna build like a following against the CV vaccine
so that eventually we can set like a future protest
for like a year from now or something.
But I don't know the timeline
of when it's gonna come out and stuff, so.
Well, I mean, I would just change your group right now
to, you know, a different name, maybe, when that happens.
Or even just anti-mandatory vaccine in general.
Yeah. I don't know, but.
Well, anything anti-vaccine, though,
is getting censored on social media.
Yep, totally.
And that's the thing, too.
I'm representing a group of people,
so I can't really,
I mean, I have my own anti-vaccine.
You know, that's how, I'm against them myself.
But like I said, I'm representing a group of people
who have differing views,
but they are all against the mandate.
So at least I can go with that, so.
Yeah.
Has there been any talk at your work about,
for like, again, mandating it for you
to take it when it comes?
Oh yeah, people are afraid.
They're like, I'm not taking it.
No, I mean like, I mean from management, sorry.
Like there's management talking,
like you're gonna have to take this,
like you beat them on the flu shot,
or are they like walking by your desk and go,
you know you're gonna take that coronavirus vaccine
when it comes out, you know,
because you're not gonna fight us on this one, right?
Well, that's the thing is that no management at all,
even with my planning of this whole thing,
they never once came to me and said anything.
They never intimidated me.
They never, now granted, they intimidated me
when I didn't want to get the coronavirus test,
because I was very much against that,
here's the deal.
My county had zero active cases of corona.
My employer was requiring that every single person
get a coronavirus test,
regardless of whether or not they had any symptoms.
And there was zero justification for it.
And you know, what's funny is that when they did that,
nobody had it, it was like near zero.
So yeah, so I was already fighting them on that.
And I was in like the big wigs office for that one,
because I was very much against that, but I didn't win.
I had to get it anyway, so.
Oh, so they didn't rescind that.
So is that, you said that was before the flu?
That was before the flu one, yeah.
And so this was kind of like,
okay, well, this is my only shot.
Like I got to really try hard for this one,
because I don't want to get something injected.
Is that maybe what inspired you?
The fact that maybe they made you take that coronavirus test
is that kind of what kick-started you to be like,
I'm not just gonna beckon every time they say I have to,
right? Right.
Yeah, that's part of it, because like, I mean,
I've been four years of wearing the mask
for the entire flu season every year.
And then on top of that,
I was refusing the coronavirus vaccine.
And I mean, coronavirus tests, sorry.
And they were, I said,
is there any way you could just think
of making this optional?
And they're like, no.
So it's kind of like, no, okay, I gotta take a stand.
I gotta make a big deal,
because what other option do I have really?
You know, so yeah.
Do you think if you would have fought
the coronavirus test,
do you think you could have beat it
if you really would have pushed it?
Well, it was just coming from my hospital.
It wasn't mandated from like the county or anything.
So I don't know.
I mean, they-
They might have been able to get you on that one.
Yeah, they could have, they could have.
But that test, I mean, what's, I guess,
I mean, what, how is it?
They stick it up your nose.
Tell us, tell us just for educate us real quick.
Tell us how wonderful it was.
What's the procedure of the test?
So basically, so they have this swab thing,
and it smells like chemicals.
I don't even know what's on it.
The swab thing, and they shove it way up your nose,
as far as it can go.
And you're like, oh no, oh!
And they shove it in farther.
And they swab it around on each nostril.
And I was saying bad words.
That's how bad it was,
which I hardly ever say bad words.
And it was horrible.
Like, like you try to lean back,
and that's as far as they can go, and they go farther.
It was horrible. Wow.
Horrible.
And I, after the first time, I totally cried.
I had to take an hour off.
I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't handle this.
I just felt, I felt violated.
It was horrible. Wow.
Do you, like, was there any residual after like they,
after they pulled the swab out, like, do you still,
do you taste those chemicals, or do you have-
Yes, yes.
Did you bleed or anything like that, or?
My nose was a little bit bloody,
but I actually was blowing my nose,
because I'm like, whatever that was,
I want it out of my nose.
So how- Because it was chemically.
Yeah.
How long before you, like,
sort of returned back to normal after that test?
Like an hour.
Well, well, no, no, I'm talking about like the smell,
and the taste, and the-
Oh, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes, I guess.
So it was, so it took you longer to recover emotionally
than it did, than it did physically then, I guess.
Definitely.
I was so, I was so upset.
Oh, I'm so upset, yeah.
So, couldn't get out of that one.
But, but yeah, the, that's the other thing too.
I had tons of trolls.
Every time I posted my event on a page,
they'd laugh at me, or they'd ask stupid questions.
What's medical freedom?
You know, they'd ask me stuff like that.
And you know what I did?
I would always reply, and I'd keep it going,
because you know why?
The more they argue with you,
the more attention your post gets.
So more people notice it.
You get more exposure that way.
That's why I was able to talk to the media and everything.
It's because it's, I'm like,
I want everybody to know about this,
because I want them to go.
So, you know, trolls can serve a good purpose sometimes.
Absolutely.
And how, explain how did the media find it?
Because it's not just this news clip,
there's other news clips too, isn't there?
There's like three newspaper interviews,
and then there's the one short video one.
Yeah, the newspaper one, I'm trying to think.
I think they might've seen my, I'm trying to think.
I think they might've seen it online,
and then they messaged me.
So then I'm like, oh yeah, I'll talk to you.
So I called them.
Oh, actually one of them,
a person that's in one of my groups,
in the Healthcare Workers Against Mandatory Vaccines,
one of those groups.
They said, call this number for this newspaper,
call as soon as possible, and I called them.
Wow.
So I was able to, that's yeah, that was one of them.
That was like the first one.
And then after that, they were calling me, so.
Did you ever get any like lawyers calling you,
offering support or government officials or anybody, no?
Nope, not at all.
So the newspaper was basically the only real thing
that came to your aid?
Well, yeah, partially, yeah, and people who joined.
Well, obviously, obviously the people,
but I'm talking about like people, you know,
like the media is something that reaches
a lot of people, right?
So.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'll tell you what,
I was thankful that the media presented me pretty well.
I totally thought they were gonna make me look crazy
or something, but they presented me really well.
They quoted me right, and they did a great job.
I mean, granted my 10 minute long interview
turned into 10 seconds.
That was kind of like, you know, they left a lot out.
Yeah.
Well, I love how you posted that whole video
and you named it the 10 minute interview
that lasted 10 seconds.
Yeah, and I mean, they really summed it up pretty good,
but at the same time, it's like,
well, there was a lot missing,
like vaccine reactions and all that and bionvirate,
and they didn't cover any of that, so.
But I think, you know, a lot of the media gets money
from pharmaceutical companies,
they get money from hospitals, you know,
so they, you know, they don't get money from me necessarily
so they may not be on my side as much.
Well, do you think it was that news article
that kind of got it rescinded eventually?
Well, I'll tell you that one of the members
of the board of supervisors was interviewed
for that TV spot, so obviously they were calling them,
so they knew that the heat was on them
to do something about it,
so I think it did make a difference.
Yeah, for sure.
You know what, that's so funny,
that it's just, everyone's so scared
of any kind of controversy that, yeah, that does it.
Well, I really appreciate you, Lori, coming on the show
and telling us your story. Thank you.
Can you just give some closing thoughts
on just kind of why it's important for people
to take a stand and to do what you're doing?
Yeah, so basically, you know, you are the only one
who's going to stand up for your rights.
When it comes to your body, you want to be able
to choose what medical procedures are done.
You need to stand up for yourself.
No one else is going to do it for you.
You can't look up to Trump or anybody else
to do this for you.
You have to do it for yourself.
And the key is, if you join together as a group
and do something like this together,
that's what really has an impact.
It's staying together, staying with one accord
and telling everybody that you can,
sharing it far and wide, and making every effort
that you can to get the information out there.
And yeah, don't be afraid.
Don't let fear hold you down,
because fear has held me down for many years.
I've been very shy for many years,
and I'm just starting to break out of that.
So don't let fear hold you back,
because you never know what you can accomplish
if you can just get over it, yeah.
Wow, well, very inspiring.
I really appreciate you coming on the show, Lori.
I hope you have a good day.
Thank you very much.
It's been really fun.
All right, God bless.
Bye, thank you.
Well, that was awesome just to talk with Lori
and just to get her respect.
It's so positive having just,
you never really get the happy ending usually.
It's usually like, okay,
I guess you're gonna go take that vaccine.
But I'm glad she's sticking by it,
sticking to her guns,
because when this whole coronavirus vaccine comes out,
I'm telling you people,
you do not wanna take that vaccine
because there's so many unknowns with this.
It is being rushed to market.
And the biggest thing about these mandates,
and I keep saying this on the show,
is that these mandates are just conditioning us
into taking something
to get what you should already have to begin with.
And so these mandates are just conditioning us
to eventually in the future
take the mark of the beast someday.
And so, you know, I firmly believe that
because everything seems like it's being mandated now.
And so people are slowly getting conditioned.
So make sure you head over to,
how do you say that group name?
Yureka Scoop.
The Yureka Scoop public group there has 106 members.
I hope you make it more.
And I really appreciate Lori standing up.
And you know, I love to see this mask
because, you know, that's when I like to see a mask,
when they're doing it
because they're standing for their rights.
Not this whole wearing a mask to stop the coronavirus.
No, no.
But that was a good show.
What do you think?
Yeah, I think it turned out good.
You know, I think that, you know,
she did something there where she actually took a stand.
She was basically just one person that decided,
I'm just gonna say no.
And, you know, even though
she didn't think that was a lot of people,
I think 20 people is a lot of people
to not take the vaccine.
Dude, that's huge.
That's a lot of people.
That's huge.
That just stood back and said no.
And it's because she stood up, right?
So if you just think about it,
if more and more people just take a play out of her book
and just, you know, just kind of just try to do what she did
and just stand up, then, you know,
we might have a chance against these mandates.
But if everybody just be like, I don't know,
I'll just take it just to, you know.
It's really easy to just walk over one person.
It's harder to walk over 20 people.
Exactly.
It's harder to walk over against everyone.
If everyone's just standing up and saying,
no, I'm not gonna take this stupid coronavirus vaccine
that's been tested for like four months, forget that.
Yep.
And you know what they're gonna do is,
this is just my opinion,
but they're gonna start with the hospital workers.
They're gonna give it to all the hospital workers
cause they're the frontline, you know,
they put such a big emphasis during coronavirus
that, you know, thank you essential workers,
which, you know, thank them because they are
on the frontline for, forget coronavirus,
just for everything, right?
You know, like, and so.
Well, they are around that disease all day long.
All day long.
So they are, you know, they are sacrificing themselves
because some people get it worse than others.
Yeah, so because they're there,
they're going to give them the vaccine to say,
hey, you need to protect yourself
cause you're working with it, so here's the cure.
Well, you have to take the vaccine
or you're gonna kill someone
and that's how they're gonna pressure it.
And then if they do kill someone
and they refuse to take the mask,
I mean, the shot, I wonder if they would charge them
with manslaughter or something crazy like that.
So once you get all the workers taking the coronavirus shot,
then the people that come into the hospital,
they're gonna, it's just gonna be a cakewalk
just while you gotta take the shot, you know,
because you could kill somebody
while you're in the waiting room.
So you might as well just, you know,
you might go in for stitches and they say,
you need to take coronavirus shot because, you know,
you're gonna kill somebody
cause you might have coronavirus.
So you can see how by just going through the hospitals
that they can just one way of just mask mandating
or mask forcing people into this.
And, you know, I'm glad that you took that stand
and that, you know, that other people are gonna see this
and maybe, you know, in there wherever they are
and watching this that they may just want to
in turn take a stand too when this comes out
and maybe there will be a community that sticks together,
that will fight this thing.
Yeah, well, hopefully.
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Any final thoughts?
Well, no, like I said,
I'm just glad that Laurie was able to stand up
and I think that we just all need to just take a stand,
even just with the masks, everything,
just take a stand, people.
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