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Today we're going to be talking with Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.
And for those of you who don't know who she is, Dr. Tenpenny has invested nearly
20 years and more than 40,000 hours documenting and exposing the problems associated
with vaccines.
As an internationally known speaker and author, her many articles have been translated into
at least 15 languages.
She is a frequent guest on radio and TV to share her knowledge and to educate parents
on why they should say no to vaccines.
And so that's who we're talking with today, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.
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We have Dustin in the house and we have Lisa in the house.
So I want to say hi to Dustin and then we'll get right into the program today.
How are you doing Dustin?
Oh I guess he's not there.
We'll have to go to Lisa.
Lisa how are you doing today?
I'm doing good.
It's good to be here.
Awesome.
So are you looking forward to this interview?
I know, what are your thoughts on Ms. Tim Penny?
Oh I have listened to Dr. Tim Penny for so many years.
I mean I'm going back probably more than a decade but it's got to be close to a decade
that I used to recommend her lecture series with a PowerPoint, what do the CDC documents
say, and risks, benefits, and choices.
I have recommended those for, it's got to be close to a decade now.
She is a wealth of knowledge.
She's been doing this 40,000 hours plus and what we know of course, I think we talked
about it on the last show when I was here, that at the Vaccine Safety Summit they did
cover the fact that doctors, pediatricians, only have one half a day, about four hours
of training on vaccines.
So four hours compared to 40,000.
So who should we listen to?
Right, right.
Well she has been someone I've been trying to get an interview with for a while now.
I did make an anti-vaccine film years ago.
I never finished it, unfortunately, but we did start the process and we were going to
get her on that movie but it just never happened.
But we have Ramon in the house as well here.
How you doing Ramon?
Good man.
I'm doing good.
Awesome man.
Well I still don't know where Dustin is, but he'll be here sooner or later.
But why is this so important to you, this conversation Lisa?
Well I mean it's more important than ever because we are, our rights, this is all
encompassing.
I mean a lot of adults that either don't have children or feel like, oh you know I'm
not really going to pay attention to what the medical freedom movement is saying because
it really doesn't apply to me.
And vaccines, I was vaccinated, meanwhile, depending on their age, they may have only
had just a small handful of vaccines versus the 72 doses that are required for kids
to go to school.
So they may not be paying attention, but now they're paying attention because they're
seeing it on the news.
They're seeing, wow, the trials for this vaccine are not looking so good.
They had multiple failures in the past and I want to get into that with Dr. Tenpenny,
how previous coronaviruses vaccines actually potentiated the immune system to the point
where it would make the symptoms of the disease so much worse than if you weren't
vaccinated at all, including several deaths in the animal models.
So I want to talk to her about the Oxford, Oxford just changed their placebo from
a saline injection to a meningitis vaccine.
That's their placebo.
So I mean, it's just so ripe with corruption and fraud.
And so I can't wait to hear her thoughts on those.
Awesome.
Well, it looks like we have Dustin here, so he's getting set up right now.
But yeah, very exciting.
So how did you first hear about Dr. Tenpenny?
Boy, that's a great question.
I think just in my research, you know, she's probably one of the most prominent ongoing
figures out there when it comes to this.
She's probably been going, you know, one of the longest and strongest advocates out
there for medical freedom movement.
And she just, those PowerPoint lectures that I have been recommending for so many years,
she has upped her game.
I mean, her stuff today is incredible.
She literally has like almost like a university through her website that you can take classes
online.
And so she's just a wealth of resources.
Yeah.
And I know she wrote a couple books on the subject of vaccines.
I know she wrote a fantastic book.
I haven't read the whole thing, but I definitely started the book, Say No to Vaccines.
Have you had a chance to read any of her material?
I have not read her books, but I have listened to definitely hundreds and hundreds of hours
of her lectures and her interviews.
And I, you know, had been looking for recent material, and of course I looked on YouTube
and you don't see anything recent doesn't come up easily.
So once I looked on, you know, Bitchute, I did find some recent interviews and she
did one that I can't wait to ask her about all the stuff that the viral contaminants
that are in vaccines that are used, fetal bovine serum.
And it's actually shocking that there's, I want to say it was like 1800 different viral
particles and it was 4000 other contaminants that have been found.
And this and they cross react.
So they recombine almost like they become like a GMO virus in a sense.
And so I want her to talk about that because I was really shocked.
That was a lot of new information for me.
That was very recent.
Yeah, well, yeah, I'm excited to talk to her.
I know she was on your favorite show, The High Wire too recently.
You said you haven't missed an episode of The High Wire.
So you obviously saw that that show.
Yes, I'm trying to think of which one that was and how recent it was.
But yeah, I've watched that show for over two years since it's been running.
I've never missed one.
I usually wait till it's uploaded so I can listen to it in high speed.
So I, cause it's, it's usually a two hour show.
Yeah.
Well, if you guys don't know what we're talking about with The High Wire, I really
hope you check it out.
It is a great show and a really smooth production over there.
Hopefully, you know, ours can become a little bit smoother as time goes on, but
we're just trying to figure everything out, you know, as we go here.
But Dustin, do you hear us, man?
Yes.
Can you hear me?
Oh yeah, there you are.
He's here, guys.
He's here.
So Dustin, what's, what's going on today?
I don't know.
What did I miss?
Nothing.
Just how are you feeling today?
It's a good day.
I, yeah, I didn't have to put a mask on, so that's nice.
So it's just another day in, you know, I'm not going to call it.
I don't want to refer to it as coronavirus or COVID-19 anymore.
I just want to call it certificate of vaccination ID.
Cause I think that's what it's about.
I think that's what it, I've seen that before where they were, where the COVID
instead of it being coronavirus disease, that's so lame.
But it really rings when you think about it as certificate of vaccination ID, because
they, they have definitely taken the whole thing and turned it into the mandatory,
not mandatory necessarily, but it's one of the things you notice in the, in the, in
the minds of the people is that, um, like nobody, you can't go into stores, there's
social distancing, people wearing masks, and it's like the new thing.
It's just a new thing.
It's just like, it's just been introduced and that's what people are doing.
And if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense, but that's just what they're doing.
And, um, and there's all this talk about vaccinations and about, um, you know, trying
to like, there's this possible cure for it and then we'll go back to normal.
So I think the whole game is again, like you were talking about with the vaccinations
that, that they're just trying to push this vaccination thing.
And it's very interesting that people get banned and shut down for standing against
vaccinations.
Yeah.
Well, I know, uh, they're, they're saying now that over a hundred thousand people have,
uh, died of the coronavirus.
Did they die or yeah, they got it or died.
What is it?
Does anyone know?
That's the whole point.
Yeah.
But those numbers are just crazy.
I really hope Lisa, you talked to Ms.
Tenpenny about how these numbers are just bogus tonight too.
I know she's talked about that in the past, so hopefully we can bring that up to her
in this interview.
Yeah.
So most people are just tuning into the TV and they're watching, I don't know if they're
watching sports, but they're watching their, their mainstream news and they're,
you know what I think it might be is they get in their car and they just listen to
the radio because there's a lot of programming that happens on the radio nowadays.
Um, yeah, I don't listen to the radio myself.
Um, but whenever I hear a radio, you'll hear him talking about it.
It's the same thing.
So was someone in the, um, comments just asked about James Foster, about what happened
with him.
And I think he was just sick.
He wasn't the coronavirus.
I'm not sure.
Do you know what it was exactly?
I don't know what it was, but I know he said that, um, it came back negative.
So, yeah, but that, yeah, I was, I think they're just kind of holding off to see
if he lived cause then if he died, they can just be like, there's one.
So, all right.
But that, you know, you know how I feel about the whole thing.
I think they're, the numbers are manipulated and there's even been, um, I could probably
find it by watching a video the other day of somebody, you know, showing a news clip
and the news clip was saying how 50% of the antibody tests are wrong.
So if you go to get tested for, um, to show that you have the certificate of vaccination
ID, um, disease, um, if you check to see if you have the antibodies, you have a 50 50
shot of them just getting it a hundred percent wrong.
So, um, and that was just on the news.
And I think that came from the CDC, but they're still using those numbers to, um,
direct policy.
Yeah, I, I heard someone say, I forget the exact number, but they said like the actual
number of COVID deaths is like some ridiculously low number.
If you count out all the, if you just like the number one cause of death is COVID, um,
it's ridiculous.
Did you hear about that, Lisa?
Really?
They re-examined the numbers.
Um, and they said that it's only 12% of their total is actual, actually primarily
caused by COVID.
Um, so, and in going back to James Foster, it turned out it was just pneumonia.
And it was a very severe case of pneumonia, but he's doing much better.
Um, and when Dustin mentioned the, uh, serology or the antibody tests coming out,
uh, wrong, you know, 50% of the time, um, some people just don't have the antibodies
and some people's antibodies wane very rapidly.
Um, and that's, that's also considered primary vaccine failure, which vaccines are going
after the production of antibodies.
That's what's considered, um, the efficacy.
It's, uh, it's, it's like research efficacy versus clinical efficacy.
And the amount of antibodies that you produce, that's what they're looking for to say,
oh, it's effective.
Um, but some people are what they would consider a primary vaccine failure and that
they don't produce antibodies.
So I don't know if that's, if the test itself is just simply inaccurate and can't
pick up the, um, that antibody, it can't detect it or if it's just, you know,
wrong, or if it's because somebody actually just used their cell mediated
immune system and got through the virus without, um, producing antibodies.
So that I don't know, but, um, I don't want people to be confused between the
PCR testing that gives you the positive or negative.
That's, um, for example, James Foster had the PCR test that gives you the yes or
the no, if you, if you have it real time, um, versus an antibody test is looking,
you know, retrospectively, did you have it?
Do you have antibodies?
So, so that's kind of the difference between serology testing and the PCR testing.
So Lisa, when they're thinking about like what they need to do to move forward with
what the herd immunity and stuff and just testing random people, what they're checking
to see if people have the antibodies, right?
And then they would decide like if, if they're like how high the threat would be to
a portion of the population.
Is that kind of how they're looking at it with those testings?
Well, I, I did hear that initially that they would say, oh, you would have like
some type of certificate, you know, that, oh, you obviously have had the virus
or so you've either had the vaccine or you've had the virus and that gives
you the, your free pass to go back into society.
However, um, what we're seeing and what recent statements have been made is
that either your antibodies do not last long for this, which could pose a
number of problems.
It would mean that, oh, this is going to be like, um, you know, a cold or a flu.
You're going to have to have another vaccine, a booster or an annual vaccine,
like the flu or something like that.
So it could, it could mean that, or it could mean, oh, you're probably not
going to be able to get your certificate just based on if you already beat the
disease.
So it's going to be, uh, make things really complicated.
And again, the immune system is very complicated and they have to stop
trying to put everybody into a one size fits all, um, certificate box.
Well, we'll just see where it goes.
I mean, I think it, well, I always look at this vaccination thing that
all I think, all I see is Mark of the beast.
That's all I see.
I see where, and it, there is definitely a foreshadowing in these events where
you can't, it's not that you can't, but there, there are, they're ratcheting.
We just saw several clicks in the, um, the psyche of the society worldwide,
everywhere.
I don't think there's a country on the globe.
That's not, um, affected, you know, Australia, New Zealand, African countries,
European, Asian countries everywhere.
They're doing something, you know, they've, they figured out whether they
need to, um, have mask in this situation or social distancing in this
situation.
So there's definitely a change in the, the psyche of society.
So that's social engineering that has, you could say it just happened,
but we know it's engineering.
We know that people sit back and they've studied people like animals,
you know, and they know what they need to do.
And right now, all we're seeing is on the doors, um, you know, certain
offices, you know, mandatory mask.
If you're coming in this office, you must wear a mask, you know?
So places where you could have gone a couple months ago and, and interacted
with people you're not able to go into.
And then also you've got stores where, um, I was late.
I had to swing by the Walgreens and, you know, they've got the, all the
stuff on the ground, which is, it's just something that's just
constantly playing like background music in your psyche where there's
this, um, mandatoriness and there's a mandate.
And so you have to, and everybody, it changes the vibe of just people
that you're standing next to.
It just makes you think, you know, that's about six feet, you know,
like, what do I do?
Like, okay, yeah, he's standing on the circle.
I'm standing on the circle and I'm like, you know, I don't want to
be a jerk to anybody because you just want to be friendly to people
and try to, you know, pass the good, good vibes on, on down the road
and stuff and not be a jerk because they're not very, um, you know,
maybe they're totally in agreement with everything and they're just
putting a mask on just so they can get their cigarettes, which is
what I was behind the guy.
Well, we have, uh, Dr. Tenpenny on the line right now, Lisa.
So I think we'll just, uh, we'll, we'll get started on this
if you're ready.
Okay.
All right.
So everyone, we have Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, um, and I'm going to go
ahead and read her, her bio for you.
Dr. Sherry Tenpenny is an osteopathic medical doctor, board certified
in three specialties.
She was the full-time emergency medicine physician and director
of a level two trauma center from 1986 to 1998.
She is the founder of Tenpenny integrative medical center,
a medical clinic located near Cleveland, Ohio opened in 1996.
Her company provides a natural holistic approach to getting
well and off prescription medications.
Her approaches have attracted patients from all 50 states
and 17 countries.
Dr. Tenpenny has invested nearly 20 years and more than
40,000 hours documenting and exposing the problems associated
with vaccines as an internationally known speaker and author.
Her many articles have been translated into at least 15 languages.
She is a frequent guest on radio and TV to share her knowledge
and educate parents on why they should just say no to vaccines.
So welcome, Dr. Tenpenny.
Well, thank you so much.
Nice to be here.
So I have been following you for, I know at least a decade.
And, um, I, I have recommend, I was trying to think if it was
about 10 years ago that you did the, um, the PowerPoint lectures,
like what do the CDC documents say?
And, um, the other one, the risk benefits and choices.
And I have recommended those for, I mean, it's gotta be close to 10 years now.
So actually it's longer than that.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I thought, yeah, I knew it was at least around there.
So now I think, I think the CDC, when the, uh, the CDC documents,
when I think was in 2002 and I think the risk benefit choices was in 2004.
Oh my goodness.
Well, yeah.
So my oldest flies, right?
I'm just wise.
Yes.
My oldest son was born in 1999.
You know, it does kind of go back.
That's when I was, you know, researching heavily.
So I have four children, three, the three younger are totally unvaccinated.
And my oldest son did have one vaccine because I wasn't completely convinced.
And, um, and he had a latent severe reaction and that's what drove me to research.
And you've been a big part of that journey.
So I appreciate you.
Well, I'm so glad, I'm so glad that I could be of assistance and,
and help you find your way through that rather dark maze.
Yes.
So, um, we want to get right into this and bring it as relevant as possible because I
know you're just a wealth of knowledge and so much is coming out about the, um,
the vaccine trials and the previous trials for, uh, coronavirus vaccines and how they
all failed miserably.
And, um, we want to touch on, uh, those, those attempts and why they failed miserably
and what makes this, uh, vaccine that they're talking about, um, so different being
that it's an RNA vaccine and is this the first attempt?
The first one that would be on the market?
That's like five questions in one sentence.
Yes.
Okay.
Let's talk about, let's go ahead and, and first cover is this vaccine that
they're talking about?
You know, we have several trials going on.
Um, and is this vaccine being an RNA vaccine?
How is it different than the vaccines that we currently have?
It's different because the, um, there are several RNA vaccines that we are currently
on the market.
The measles vaccine is an measles is an RNA virus.
Polio is an RNA virus, but what makes this different is that the entire virus is
attenuated and injected in the vaccine that children get in the MMR vaccine and
polio injectable polio.
This is a different, uh, RNA virus.
This is a different vaccine.
They just want to take just the genetic part of the, of the, the genetic part of
the virus, pull out a little snip of that RNA and inject that purely into the body
and then use the body's own enzymes called reverse transcriptase to replicate that
virus and then get to a certain quantity in the body so that the body tries to
develop an antibody to make it go away.
The problem is, is that that's never ever been done before.
And the, um, the trials that they have done on animals in the past, the
ferrets died and the mice and rats got terribly sick.
And when they sacrificed the animals and looked at their internal organs, they
saw accelerated autoimmunity.
And part of that is because when they inject that little piece of genetic RNA
from the coronavirus, it causes a different type of antibody to be produced.
They call it paradoxical immune enhancement, which it creates a antibody that
instead of neutralizing that little piece of RNA, what it does is it attacks
the cells and it kind of like pokes holes in them.
That allows the virus to get inside of the cells when the, when people are
re-exposed the second time.
So it's really not the vaccine itself that causes a problem.
Cause when they inject the vaccine into the animals, they get a really
robust antibody response, a really robust, which is what researchers are
looking for.
And then they said, wow, now let's see if this antibody, this really high
level, this really robust antibody response keeps the animals from getting
sick when they are reintroduced to the virus.
And it, and instead what happened, it was just the opposite of that.
Yes.
And that's where everything went wrong.
We're up getting your video back up and running.
We can hear you just fine.
So we're trying to get your, the visual back up.
And I thought maybe this was cause I can't see you.
I thought maybe this was just purely audio.
Oh, okay.
No, no, no.
Yeah, you're back.
There you are.
I turned off the video to save the bandwidth.
So that was my problem was my fault.
Cause I thought that since I can't see you, I thought this was just audio.
I apologize.
That was my fault.
Oh, no problem.
So now, um, what we're, let's, let's talk about, um, since the, the vaccine,
the previous attempts at coronavirus vaccine, as you covered, um, show that,
yeah, wow.
They get so excited cause that's the efficacy.
When we hear about research efficacy, that's what they're looking for is an
antibody response.
And that's what, when we hear the word effective, that's, that's what it means
is that they produce antibodies.
But then when they're exposed to the virus, that's when everything goes
wrong and the animals, it enhanced the disease process.
And so the, um, the animals suffered a much more severe case of the illness
than if they had no vaccine at all.
Would that be a good way to say it?
You nailed it.
That's exactly right.
Okay.
Did you take our bootcamp course?
I haven't yet.
Do you say it so well?
Cause that's how we teach people to say it inside of our bootcamp course.
Okay.
Effective comes from our bootcamp course because vaccines are effective,
meaning that they do what they are intended to do.
They create an antibody response.
But the caveat is, is that having that antibody response does not, um,
keep you from getting sick.
And so, um, so we talk about that pretty much in detail in our bootcamp
course.
So maybe we'd love to have you.
The next open enrollment is in September.
So, um, you're, you're going to be way ahead of the curve if you join us.
Oh, well, I learned that from you because you had talked about the
difference between clinical efficacy and research efficacy.
At some point I learned that from you.
So, um, but, um, so now I, what I want to talk a little bit about,
and maybe you can give us some detail, um, when we talk about, uh,
immune, the immune system, which is very complex and you have
basically like a humoral portion or an antibody portion of your immune system.
And you have the, uh, the cell mediated immune system.
And so of course, just as we said, you know, vaccines are going to
activate that humoral or antibody component primarily.
And it seems like it, it, it, maybe this particular coronavirus, um,
really, that's not a big deal.
The, the antibody portion, maybe you really need the robust cell mediated
than, you know, our God given immune system.
That's what would really take care of this rather than taking an approach
with a vaccine.
And so I just want to kind of cover, um, if you can differentiate between
those two portions of the immune system and maybe talk about how, uh,
the T cells, because we're starting to hear that the T cells are very, uh,
an integral important part of mounting an immune response to the
coronavirus.
Well, I think that distinction between the two arms of the immune system
is really important.
And there's, and that, and there's two arms and one arm they call
TH1 and the other arm they call TH2.
The TH1 arm of the immune system is the innate,
innate part of the immune system that you are actually born with.
And so when they say that, you know, babies are born without an
immune system, it's simply not true.
It's not like this baby was born, came through the birth canal and
it was exposed out into the universe of the, of either at home
birth or in the hospital.
And if they had no immune system, they would all die.
I mean, with brief, they would be, uh, be overcome with the
viruses and bacteria that are all there and they would die.
And it wasn't as though the baby was born without an
immune system.
And God went, Oh no, I forgot the immune system.
Oh, please hurry, vaccinate.
You know, I mean, it doesn't happen, right?
And it doesn't happen for a reason because babies are not,
are born with an immune system.
They're born with the innate immune system that they call
TH1.
And on the, on the surface of every one of your cells are
receptors called Toll-like receptors spelled T O L L dash like
L I K E Toll-like receptors.
That's what they're called.
And they were first discovered in the late, in like about
1998 in fruit flies.
And then they started looking around and they found that they
were actually also in, in humans.
And the first one that they named was, was Toll-like
receptor four.
And then they found subsequent to that, that there are 10
different Toll-like receptors on various organs inside of
our body.
And in that, excuse me, that is our vigilance system.
That's the receptors that differentiate between self and
non-self what viruses and bacteria are supposed to be
here.
And those are the good guys and what shows up that isn't
such a good guy.
And they recognize those bad guys that end up into our
bloodstream every single day by brushing your teeth, by
having a bowel movement, by having sex, by cutting yourself
on your skin, just a little bit and get a little bacteria
or a little viruses inside of, you know, that break into
your bloodstream.
And those Toll-like receptors recognize that that's not
supposed to be there by pattern recognition.
It's not a lock and key receptor.
It's pattern recognition.
And the first time that I read that or I heard about
that, it just brought tears to my eyes at the beauty of
how our maker designed us, that we have these receptors
that all day long, 24-7, 365, are monitoring for the bad
guys that might get into our bloodstream through normal
bodily matters of things that we do.
And as soon as they see that, they give a whistle,
meaning they send out a couple of little cytokine
messengers and they call over the white blood cells,
the macrophages and go, hey, clean that up, get
rid of that.
That's not supposed to be there.
In a normal, healthy immune system, this is going on every
single day.
If we end up with a pathogen that gets into our bloodstream
that's very virulent or has a protective coating
around it that it can start causing some really some
problems, the Toll-like receptors call in, send out more
cytokines, call in more white blood cells, and then
they start to turn up the heat.
They start to make fever.
And that's why fever is so important in particularly in the
early stages of infection, because that's what activates
your immune system to get rid of the bad guy that isn't
supposed to be there.
And so as that battle goes on, as you get the fever
and the fever kills off the the bad guy and more white
blood cells and more cytokines and things come in to
take care of that infective pathogen that shows up at
the very end of that process, at the very end of
that infection, as you're starting to recover and get
better, the B cells come along, B as in boy, they
come along and they kind of wrap around this whole
thing, this whole glob of white blood cells and viruses
or white blood cells and bacteria, and they start to
make antibodies against that glob of stuff.
And that's the antibodies then that becomes a long-term
memory, natural antibodies of the humoral or the
Th2 arm of the immune system that stay around for a
long time.
So that's why when you've had chickenpox, you know,
you get re-exposed to somebody else that has
chickenpox, the B cells pump out a little bit of
antibody goes, yeah, I recognize that we can glob onto
that and make that go away from here without causing
any problem.
So the dance between the Th1 and the Th2 arms of the
immune system in the presence of fever is what gives
you long-term natural immunity, natural immunity.
And so when we bypass that system and inject foreign
matter, which is what a vaccine is, inject foreign
matter that includes some dead or attenuated viruses
into the system to develop an antibody without engaging
the Th1 side of the equation and without the
presence of fever, we've got this antibody floating
around there kind of doing nothing.
And because it is the antibody is made to a laboratory
created virus, it's not even going to be an
antibody that will recognize the virus that's floating
around out here in the universe in nature.
And so that's why you can get these vaccines and
they don't, then you get a high antibody response
and the antibody really doesn't protect you from
the infection because it doesn't match the pathogen
that's out there in nature, out in the community.
Okay.
You said so much that had me, my head was just
filling up with so many things.
So when you said that the animals died because of
an enhanced autoimmune problem, then it kind of
makes you think, you know, what is the hallmark
of autoimmune disease?
As you've got all these antibodies.
And of course, when they've tested the previous
coronavirus vaccines, they did have that robust
production of antibodies.
And yet they would die of a, you know, an auto,
severe autoimmune event.
And I also want you to differentiate while we're
talking about antibodies, the difference between
binding antibodies and neutralizing antibodies.
And when they initially said, wow, look at all these
ferrets and these primates and there's robust
antibody response.
Did they differentiate?
And, you know, in the published literature
between the binding and the neutralizing antibodies?
They did not.
In the published literature, they did not.
In fact, that was something that sort of has
come out after the fact.
I mean, it's sort of something that, you know,
Dr. Paul Offit and Dr. Peter Hotez, who are
like the poster children for the pro-vaccine movement,
started talking about the difference between
neutralizing and binding antibodies.
And I've been doing this for 20 years and 40,000
hours of my time.
And it was like, wow, I've never seen that in
print anywhere.
What's that all about?
And then I had, and really you can't find much
about it.
And so, but that's what they are talking about
is this, they call it the paradoxical immune
enhancement because they say that the wrong
type of antibodies are actually produced.
And so I'm wondering is that, you know, what
does that really mean when they have the wrong
type of antibody?
Because is it the same thing like from a vaccine
that you really don't get the right type of
antibody to recognize the pathogen that's out
there in nature?
You don't recognize that because the antibody
has been made against an attenuated virus
and it's not the same thing.
So are they, is that part of the explanation
of that immunity?
I'm not 100% sure.
Okay, yeah, because that's why I asked you
because I couldn't find a lot of information
about it myself.
And with regard to this new vaccine, have they
talked about it being a attenuate, a live
attenuated vaccine or a killed vaccine?
Because I know you-
It will be neither.
The new one will be neither.
Oh, because it's an RNA, because it's giving
your body an RNA message that your body will
think came from your DNA and it, okay.
Okay, so it's neither, interesting.
It's neither because there, because when you
talk about an attenuated or a live virus,
that's making the assumption that you're
inserting the entire virus into the vaccine
to be injected into you.
And the entire virus, the coat, the surface
proteins and all of that, that have been
attenuated or weakened and that attenuation
process is really sloppy.
It's not done very well and they've known
that forever, but it's the only process
that they have.
And so that's what they do with measles
and that's what they do with polio, which
are RNA viruses and that's what they do
with influenza, which I believe is a DNA
virus and so what they do is they weaken
them, they weaken them with chemicals
and with different types of processes
like the influenza viruses are treated
with Triton X-100, which is a detergent
that separates the surface antigens so
when they inject the full virus into you,
that your, ostensibly your immune system
can see it better and can create antibodies
to those surface proteins.
So when you're injecting the full virus
in the vaccine, that's when the language
of attenuation or live virus comes into play.
This is like taking the insides of,
out of this, of the coronavirus.
They're going to take the genetic
inside of it out and that's what
they're going to inject.
And that's why, you know, Bill Gates,
when you listen to him talk about this
and he sort of gleefully talks about it,
is that it's, he said that's why
they can bypass, you know, they can
rapid fast test it and they don't
have to go through all the different
animal models with the attenuation
process of weakening them because
all they're doing is they're taking
this RNA virus, viruses, coronavirus,
and they're taking a little snip
of its genetics out and they're
injecting the genetics into you.
Okay.
Yeah, I did see a clip of Bill Gates
saying something to that effect
that it's kind of like injecting
a genetically modified organism
right directly into the veins of children.
And it was right, you know, there he was.
Did you see that?
I've seen several clips and he always
has this kind of mad scientist
gleam gleam in his eye, you know,
when he talks about it, you know.
Yes, yes.
So now let's talk about,
you've probably been heavily censored,
which is why when I tried initially
on YouTube to look for some recent
material from, that you've had,
that you've put on YouTube,
I couldn't find anything recent
until I went to Bitchute and then I,
it was still on YouTube.
It wasn't like it was removed,
but it was very difficult to find
unless I put the exact title of the video.
So talk about how the censorship portion
and how it's impacted you.
Well, I've never really had a YouTube channel.
I'm not, let me restate that.
I've never had a YouTube state, a channel.
So I've never had my own YouTube channel.
I don't know why, I just haven't.
And I suppose it's because everybody
that I do interviews with,
they put me up on their channel
and that's just the way it is.
So I've never had a YouTube channel
to be censored with,
but where I've gotten heavily censored is Facebook.
I mean, you know,
we had grown our Facebook page
to like 235,000 people
and this was several years ago.
And then if you go to the site,
I think it still has that same number.
It's not any bigger, it's not any smaller.
I think whatever,
they've just disconnected the counter or something.
So it just sits there.
And it used to be that whenever
I would post any type of post on my Facebook page,
whether it was a video or it was me doing a Facebook live
or if it was just an article
and I would make a comment about the article,
it would get anywhere from 50 to 60,000 views
and it would be shared double that time
and we'd have this enormous reach on Facebook.
And then about three years ago,
they started really squelching down on our censorship.
I mean, to the point where
even when we were doing Facebook lives,
nobody would be able to see them, nobody.
And they smashed that whole reach.
Back two years ago when we were doing our bootcamp course
and on Thursday nights of our bootcamp course,
we would live stream it over to Facebook
and it would all be chopped up,
it would all be pixelated
or they would disconnect it
or as soon as it would be up there,
anything would be up there, we'd go nowhere.
I mean, a good day if we posted something,
a good day might be seen by like maybe 500 people,
out of the 235,000.
Fortunately, so far we have not,
knock on wood and throw salt over your shoulder
and pray to God that it doesn't happen,
but we haven't really been censored or shut down yet
on Instagram or Twitter
and we've grown our Instagram account.
I just started that account the very last of October,
it was October 26th
and we've already got almost 70,000 people
on our Instagram account.
And on Twitter, we started in December,
we had about 3,000 people
that I really wasn't busy posting much over there
and we started really growing Twitter,
which is busy Dr. T, busy DRT
and I think we're over 40,000 now
in just a couple months over there.
So, so far on those two platforms,
we haven't been censored.
And did you see today that the executive order
that President Trump just signed
about people that they're going to eliminate,
they're gonna lift the protection
off of the social media platforms
because of all their censorship
so that people that had these huge followings
and they were making a lot of money
supporting their family
and other people who are actually employed
and working for them,
they will now be able to sue.
Oh, that is awesome.
I did not hear that.
That's great news.
So now let me just to kind of recap
what we were talking about.
Hey Lisa, can I just jump in for a second real quick?
Okay, thank you.
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I just wanted to bring people up to speed
with what we're doing tonight.
Oh, no problem, Dustin.
So just to kind of recap what we were talking about before
with the Th1 versus Th2,
the cell mediated versus the antibody arm
of the immune system.
So do you think with the bloated vaccine schedule
that children are receiving today,
that they become kind of Th2 dominant
in their immune systems
and that their bodies haven't been trained properly
getting those natural childhood infections
to fight bigger and better,
much greater things in the future like cancer
and things like that,
that their immune systems are almost stunted
in a Th2 dominant state?
They're definitely in a Th2 dominant state.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
I mean, I think children get something like 57 vaccines
by the time they start kindergarten.
There's this whole thing called the combo 10
that there's 10 vaccines
that they get multiple doses of by the age of two.
And Blue Cross Blue Shield actually rewards doctors
with paying them $400 per child
that's fully vaccinated by the age of two
in their practice of 63% of the kids in their practice comply
and are fully vaccinated.
That's one of the reasons why they kick parents
out of the practice who don't want to vaccinate
or only want to select,
even those that want to selectively vaccinate
because it messes with their numbers and their bonuses.
And so that's that.
So yes, there's totally Th2 dominant.
And what happens now,
if you've got all of these antibodies floating
around two pathogens that aren't there,
I mean, you've got an antibody to hepatitis B
and hepatitis A and chickenpox
and measles, mumps and rubella
and 13 strains of pneumococcus and to rotavirus
and to amophilus influenzae B and polio.
You've got all these antibodies floating around in there
with nothing to do because there's no pathogen there.
There's no pathogen there.
And so the body conserves that energy
and those antibodies start to degrade
and break down over time.
That's why vaccines create a false immunity
because first of all,
the antibodies don't keep you from getting sick.
And second of all, they go away.
They're not there.
And the B cells don't pump back up and say,
hey, when they get exposed to something
that they need to create some natural antibody
because there wasn't any.
And so when they've got these antibodies floating around,
they're like, well, I wonder if there's anything else
in the neighborhood that looks kind of like that.
Oh, look over there.
That pancreas that has the same amino acid sequence
as that hepatitis B virus.
It says ABC on it on this antibody
and it's looking around for something to match.
And it goes, oh, look,
that sequence on the pancreas looks very similar.
I guess I'll go on and glob onto that
because maybe that's what I'm supposed to do.
Hence, you develop insulin-dependent diabetes
because your pancreas gets destroyed.
And that's why they now call insulin-dependent diabetes
an autoimmune disease
through a process called molecular mimicry.
The same can be done with rheumatoid arthritis.
The same things can be done with nephritis
and encephalitis and all the itises
that you can think of for the antibodies
to create these autoimmune diseases
because they start attacking the body's organs
because those organ sequences,
the amino acid sequences may have a similarity
to maybe a portion of what you might see
on the virus or bacteria.
Yes, so being a high responder
and producing a lot of antibodies
isn't necessarily a good thing.
So we have an autoimmune disease epidemic
and because of just like you said
with the molecular mimicry,
we've basically traded childhood infections
that last seven to 10 days
for a lifetime of chronic disease
and especially the autoimmune disease
which can be so devastating.
Which brings me to,
I did listen to a fantastic interview
that you did just recently.
I want to say it was just a few weeks ago
and you talked about all the things
that you've dug up on the bovine serum
which kind of ties into this
and it was so incredible.
And I want to say the numbers
were something like 1,800 viral particles
and several thousand other contaminants
that are in there and how they would recombine.
So they were basically like a GMO factory
within the in vivo and killing the mice
and if you want to kind of touch on that
and just highlight that a little bit
because it was fascinating.
Yeah, you kind of mixed a whole bunch of things
in there together.
Okay.
Like a whole bunch of things in there.
So yeah, I want to go back to what you just said before
about what did you just say
before you launched into the lab?
Oh, about how we've traded childhood diseases
or I don't even want to call them diseases.
They're just these brief infections
that will give us the full activation
of our immune system,
both cell mediated and our humoral and antibodies
and that's why we have lifelong immunity,
no boosters needed.
And maybe if you, before we jump into the bovine problems,
maybe we can just kind of talk about the benefits
because I think the base of the audience of Paul's show,
they understand the dangers of vaccines.
But what maybe some of the young moms
don't fully understand
is that there's actually a lot of benefits
to going through measles, going through chickenpox
and how all these studies...
Okay, stop, stop, stop.
Oh yeah, okay.
You're going on a real roll there.
You're getting like a whole bunch of things
all in one sentence.
And so it's like, I won't be able to answer
everything that you just threw out there.
So go back to this, the part about,
cause this is really, really important
and it's a really important take home message
for your audience.
The difference between the risk of a vaccine
and the risk of the illness.
We'll talk about that in a second.
But the whole idea that I've worked really hard
in the last two years to try to get us
to stop talking about these childhood infections
as diseases.
Because an infection is something
that comes and goes in seven to 10 days
and leaves behind for the most part
a lifetime of immunity
or at least a very, very long immunity
like decades.
And so that's what an infection is.
But what a vaccine...
But the difference between an infection
and a disease is an infection comes and goes,
a disease comes and stays
and you have a lifetime of disability
and you become a lifetime customer
of the pharmaceutical industry
to manage that disease process.
So I've worked really, really hard
on the hundreds of interviews that I've done.
In fact, I've done almost 100 interviews
in the last 60 days.
And to put that in perspective,
I usually do about 25 a year.
So it's been pretty busy.
But I've really worked hard to get people
to stop calling measles a disease.
To stop calling mumps a disease.
It's an infection.
It comes and goes.
It exercises your immune system.
It boosts up your natural antibodies,
the things that develop real herd immunity,
which I'm sure we'll get into in a little bit.
But it's really important for you to understand
that that's an infection.
And a disease is something like a seizure disorder,
an autoimmune condition,
something like lupus,
something like insulin dependent diabetes.
So vaccines, and this is a key point.
Vaccines don't really prevent you
from getting sick.
Because remember, you can have that high antibody response
and get sick anyways.
So they don't really prevent you from getting sick,
but they do cause disease.
And you can see the causation of the disease
by package inserts,
by the VAERS report,
by the injury compensation of what's happened
to paying out over $4 billion to injured parties.
And what we just talked about
with the vaccines being able to cause lupus
and neurological problems and seizure disorders,
and a long list of autoimmune diseases.
So that's a disease.
It's something that comes and stays,
that makes you a customer for life
of the pharmaceutical industry,
if that becomes from a vaccine injury.
An infection is something that comes and goes.
So young parents are trying to go,
gee, what's the risk factor here?
Because when you're a parent,
your job is to try to mitigate risk
as best you can to protect your children.
I mean, that's what you're supposed to do.
And so what is the greater risk?
A seven to 10 days of a fever,
cough, rash, diarrhea,
that comes and goes,
that you learn how to manage a fever appropriately,
or is the bigger risk on getting an injection
that can cause a lifetime of chronic disease,
requiring medications,
and in some cases even cause death?
No, I couldn't have said it better.
You really,
I'm so glad you elaborated on that point
because it is so important.
Because if you were to even just do
a risk benefit analysis on each individual vaccine,
because some are way worse than others,
I personally wouldn't take any of them.
But if you look at that package insert,
because that's where the pharmaceutical companies
actually have to tell the truth,
because they have to list what they know
is a potential side effect,
or that's where there's the loophole
in the litigation with the vaccine.
You know, there's the vaccine injury compensation program
that they have no liability,
and that's a government program.
And I think our audience is familiar with that.
That's what you mentioned,
the over $4 billion that's been paid out
because it's through a tax built into the vaccine.
So that's why the pharmaceutical companies,
they do tell the truth on the package insert.
And if you look at,
it is about 420 diseases,
you know, correct me if I'm wrong,
total between all these different known
potential side effects,
which are known potential diseases
that can be caused by the vaccine.
If you were to do a risk benefit analysis,
you would,
I mean, it's just a,
it's a no brainer at that point.
But also let's just talk about if this is,
I don't know if this is kind of your wheelhouse
to really know that there's actually benefits
to those childhood infections.
There's actually a long-term benefits
as far as your risk of cancers
and specific cancers for specific infections.
And if you want to talk about that.
Yeah, the one infection that really is the biggest
and most important one to have
that the pro-vaccine and the pharmaceutical industry
is trying to do the very best
to whatever they can to not allow you to have it
is a measles infection.
Cause measles is a very important symbiont.
It has long-term beneficial effects
to your immune system.
If you have had a full-blown measles infection.
And that's why back in the day
and like in the sixties,
I mean, there were,
you know, everybody had measles
and what that does is for one thing,
the appropriate age to have measles
is somewhere between seven and 10.
And that is like when you have that high fever
that goes along with the measles infection,
you have the high fever.
What that does is it seals in your basement membranes,
helps your toll-like receptors identify self versus non-self
and locks in basement membranes.
And in girls that have had measles,
it's a very important long-term antibody
for when you get to older in life
and you have babies and you start to be nursing.
So it's particularly important to have measles
and have the natural type of antibodies
that come from a natural infection.
And there were papers
that were actually published in the seventies
in the early eighties about antibodies levels
in breast milk of mothers
who had had the wild type measles infection.
What those antibodies looked like,
that they were actually the IgG2 antibodies
that actually were the good protective ones
that passed through their breast milk
and went into the babies
and protected their very young children
from getting measles too young.
And when you think about third world countries
where they don't have formulas,
they have breast milk and that's it.
You wanna have the natural antibodies
because when they compared the breast milk of mothers
who'd been vaccinated,
they had some levels of antibodies
but they were much, much lower
and they were not the protective type of antibodies
that the babies needed.
Oh my goodness, that was fantastic
because we've basically,
what you're saying is we've displaced the vulnerability
before if moms went through a natural measles infections
and had that robust full-blown immune response with-
The TH1 and the TH2 dance.
Yes, the dance and they would have the immunity
to pass on to those babies
so that they would have placental and protection.
Yes, through the placenta, through the breast milk.
And so now those little babies are vulnerable
because the moms didn't have measles.
I'm 50 so I didn't get the measles
so none of my kids have had the measles.
I know my older brother and sister did have the measles
so they're luckier than I am.
But you did mention something I haven't heard of before
and that is that it seals the basement membranes.
And from what I understand with say an invasive cancer.
So do you think that I know there's published studies
and again it's epidemiological studies
so again it's correlation
but you see all these different studies
that are epidemiology and they're making that correlation
that if you had measles as a child
you are much less likely to get many types
of the hard tumor cancers, right?
So is that because the basement membranes were sealed
because when you have an invasive tumor
that cancer is literally having to penetrate
the basement membrane, right?
And it's and to grow the tumor
and become so invasive and all these problems.
So do you think that's where the
because of course with epidemiology
they don't tell you in the study the why.
They don't have the mechanism of action
but because you said it seals the basement memories
that makes me think that that's the mechanism of action
that the measles virus sealing the basement membranes
makes it that much harder for cancer
to penetrate those basement membranes.
It could very well be what I was referring to for sure
that they do have in published studies
and it actually came out
it was actually published in the Southern Medical Journal
in the late 1940s
that when kids had nephrotic syndrome
and nephrotic syndrome is where you've got
leaky basement membranes in your kidneys
and you lose all of the albumin
you lose all of the protein in your blood
and nephrotic syndrome is graded on a scale
I believe of one to four
with four being the most severe
and you can die from that
if you have very leaky basement membranes in your kidneys
and you lose all of the protein
because it changes all your chemistry balances
and you can die from it
and in that study what they actually did
was they induced measles
and they found that the kids that had measles
that had nephrotic syndrome
it sealed up those basement membranes
and cured literally cured the nephrotic syndrome.
Oh I have read that before with the kidney disease
and that the only cure
the only known cure was the measles.
So now they're talking about inducing measles
and various things.
I've read things you know
these are all experimental trials about like breast cancer
and we know that it seems as though like you said
the correlation between having not having had measles
let me say it the other way
having measles lowers your risk of developing sarcomas
and particularly brain tumors
and so and those are correlative studies
not causation studies
but like you mentioned which was really smart
but it does show that when you've had these early infections
it really makes a difference
and the same thing is like with chickenpox
you know the people that have had chickenpox
needed to keep their long-term immunity intact
by getting re-exposed to chickenpox
from their kids or their grandkids
or kids at church or kids at camp or things like that
that that would boost up their long-term immunity
and keep that virus in check
and now without having that re-exposure
to chickenpox virus to the varicella virus
because humans are the only known host to that virus
and now that and what the vaccine did is it dropped
in the short term
it stopped the transmission of the chickenpox virus
to the next person
and so if it can't transmit to the next person
to continue to propagate
because it only lives and propagates in humans
that's why it looks like it died out
because it didn't have an ability to transmit
so now when we don't get that re-exposure
if we have that varicella virus in our spinal cord
or in the dorsal root ganglion
which is little knobs of neurological tissue
on the side of your spine
it starts to come out
and it starts to propagate along the nerves
which is by definition shingles
so now we've developed a shingles vaccine
so now we're starting to create vaccines
to treat to address problems caused by vaccines
No I remember you talking about the
you actually made a call
I can't remember what was to the CDC
and you said hey you know what we're gonna
we're gonna start seeing an epidemic of shingles
and then maybe we should just let the kids
get the chickenpox
that's when the dialogue discontinued at that point
Yeah and I actually found an error in one of their papers
I actually found an error in one of their
the way that they analyzed one of their studies
it was a chickenpox one
and I ended up talking to the main researcher there
and they're like wow thank you very much
and as I was hanging up the phone
I was thinking yeah I should send them a bill right
for consulting with them
I should send them an invoice
which was meant to be funny
but yeah I talked to that person
a couple times
I've talked to people at CDC quite a few times actually
it never really goes anywhere
they're kind of like uh-huh thank you very much
and that's kind of the end of it
So it was predicted by many physicians
and alternative circles
that we were going to see an epidemic of shingles
because we didn't get that natural booster
of kids being around kids
and grandkids with chickenpox
and since we are getting close on time
I want you to touch on something
I know you're super passionate about
and you've been getting out that message
in all your recent interviews
and that is the both the PREP act
you know talk about the PREP act
and that other horrible bit of legislation
the model state emergency health powers act
which is just a monster
and that's you know a lot of people
were sharing those clips of the WHO
and that gentleman saying you know
we might have to go into homes
and remove people
and remove your children
and things like that
and that all falls
that power would fall under that act
so if you want to touch on
you know project bio shield
and and those three things
if you want to just
because I know you've been doing that
and it's so important for people
to not sit back and relax
and not worry about this
this is something that we have to be vigilant
and fight within each one of our states
Well the model state emergency health powers act
came out right after 9 11
I mean it was introduced
you know 9 11 was in September
the model state emergency health powers act
was introduced
was put out there in October of 2001
and it has just like you described
pretty nefarious elements in there
of being able to go door to door
and remove people from their homes
forcibly vaccinate them
if they felt like their home was contaminated
and was a hazard to the neighborhood
they could assume the home by eminent domain
and burn it down
I mean it was a really really bad piece of legislation
and it never really got passed
at kind of like the federal level
where it was introduced
but I believe all 50 states have adopted
some level or some elements
of that model state emergency health powers act
from 2001 into their public health laws
and public health laws are state legislation
and so it can vary from state to state
to a certain degree
but all of those elements were
the elements that we're seeing now
that are coming forth
are born out of those pieces of legislation
that were introduced
and even if they didn't get fully passed
little bits and pieces of them
were carried forward
into some of the things that we're seeing now
so that was the model state emergency health powers act of 2001
in 2003
they introduced project bio shield
and project bio shield was funded with 5.6 billion dollars
which you know back 20 years ago
that was worth a whole lot more money
than you know the way they bounce around
trillions of dollars now right
but they funded it
it was become a permanent funding source
whenever there was a declared public health emergency
or a some sort of a pandemic
which is a public health emergency
that the government could get
would dole out billions of dollars
to the pharmaceutical industry
to create what was called a covered countermeasure
and a covered countermeasure could be anything
it could be a drug
it could be a vaccine
it could be a technology
it could be a software
it could be any of those things
that was that they could get funding for
and so they had all of this funding
that was that would come to them
and then inside of that that legislation
that literally did get signed into into law
by president bush
also gave excuse me
we we forked over all this money
for the companies to manufacture
or create a legislate
create a drug or a piece of software technology
and then if nobody wanted to buy it
the us government said not a problem
we'll buy it back from you
so we gave them the money to create it
and then we bought it back from them
if they couldn't sell it at retail prices
so the taxpayer took it on both sides of that
inside of that legislation was also
where they first started to introduce
the emergency utilization authority
they call it an EUA
and what that means is that
if with any one of these products
are brought to market under this covered counter
this covered countermeasure
if when it got safe enough
not safe not tested
so that we have the lowest possible risk
in the in the highest level of safety
but when it was safe enough
however they define that to be
maybe they'd only killed 50 of the people
not 100 I don't know
how do you define safe enough
they were allowed to start using it on a large scale
well the drug companies weren't happy with that
they weren't happy with the fact
that they could get away with with
with any sort of technology
and they could get away with
getting as much money as they wanted
and never having to spend any money out of pocket
so between 2003 and 2005
there were about 15 pieces of legislation
that floated that never went through
to give them complete liability protection
and and consumer watchdog groups
and and activists community activists
when they saw that they said no way
I mean they've already got liability protection
through the 1986 injury compensation act
for childhood vaccines
we can't just do this across the board
so because they couldn't get it past the legal way
what they did is is is they snuck it in
they literally snuck in the prep act
which stands for the public readiness
and emergency preparedness act
and that is prep for short
the prep act of 2005
that not only do they get all the money they want
from project bio shield
now they've gotten a liability protection on steroids
that they have complete liability and protection
from any drug any software any tracking device
any microchip any vaccine that they make
that they can put anything in it they want
they can bypass the the animal studies
and fast track them to market
they can get this EUA
this emergency utilization authority
when it's safe enough
they can launch it on the world
and there you cannot sue them for anything
so if they launch this vaccine out
and and they they give it to a million people
and fight and half of those people die
the only recourse that their families have
to try to get any sort of compensation
or to sue the drug companies for a faulty product
is if they can convince the US attorney general
that that product was made under will
in an act as an act of willful misconduct
meaning they intentionally made it to kill you
which is a higher level legal standard
to try to prove than just neglect
and then you would have to convince the
the US attorney general
that this was willful misconduct
and even then if the drug companies admitted
that they knowingly harm people
the US attorney general could say
well we fast-tracked it
there was an emergency
we tried to save a lot of lives
we're really sorry
we we're not going to press
we're not going to move forward
with any enforcement action
and even if they did move forward
they have a compensation program in that
inside that act it has zero dollars in it
it's not funded at all
they would have to convene
both sides
both set the full set of houses
in the congress
to fund it
define what they are going to pay for
in terms of injury or comp
injury and amount of compensation
none of that has been done
so the drug companies have liability immunity on steroids
and the prep act went into place
here with this COVID-19 thing
our illustrious HHS director Alex Azar
activated the prep act
on February 4th of 2020
wrote it into the federal register
on March 17th
which means it is in place
until which time
he or the next HHS director says
yep we're no longer in a in a in a pandemic
we no longer have an emergency
so we're gonna we're gonna unbutton the prep act
and we're gonna go back to the legal ramifications
that we had before
because this COVID-19 tracking mechanism
and all the stuff with contact tracers
all of the stuff that's coming out with the COVID pass
and all these different things that are all being made
under this liability protection of the protect of the prep act
because they're covering calling it a covered counter measure
they have no liability
even if they start injecting those things into you
and you put your phone app against it
it electrocutes you
you can't sue them
because it's a covered counter measure
so we are in very nefarious times here
and when we've heard Bill Gates say things like
oh we have to give liability protection
to the Gates Foundation
and all these vaccine manufacturers
that are making these vaccines worldwide for COVID-19
or for this virus
it's what they're going to lift the language
right out of the prep act
it's a 40-page bill
they're going to lift it out
they're going to change the wording a little bit
to make it on a global level
they're going to operate it underneath the UN
the World Health Organization
Gavi and UNICEF
and the entire world
will have no recourse against these people
none
Wow
if that's not enough to get people motivated
to push back as much as possible
on every aspect of this you know
plandemic
this is the greatest hoax perpetrated
I've heard you say that
against mankind
and there's
and we have to push back
we have to push back with the masks
we have to push back with you know
opening businesses
everything
we all have to unite on a front
so because there's way more of us
than there are of them
they can't arrest all of us
we have to
because this
like you said is the most nefarious thing
that they're having full blanket protection
unless you can try to prove
that they intentionally tried to kill us
which you know
and we need to reprogram our brains too
I mean when I hear people now say things like
well I guess we just have to get used to it
it's just the new normal
I say no no no wait wait
no it's not the new normal
this is a temporary abnormal
a temporary abnormal
and they kind of go
oh yeah okay
it's almost like you have to switch the software in their head
and they have to take one thing out
and put something else in
we have to take out the new normal
that we're seeing everyone go
no no
this is a temporary abnormal
so I want you to help me to start spread that phrase
absolutely
start getting people to reprogram their brain
with this is a temporary abnormal
we the people need to take our country back
our cities back
our counties back
our businesses back
our places of employment back
we need to get rid of these stupid masks
that do nothing
we need to stop this social distancing
which is destroying humanity as we know it
and we need to get back to where we were on new year's eve
when the ball came down
and while we were celebrating what a great year this was going to be
we need to get back to that
absolutely I couldn't agree more
because all these things at all
it is social engineering and it's working
and people are so scared
and fear is definitely conducive to to all this irrational behavior
that people are going along with
and I love how you always talk about
how you're just sowing seeds of truth
and you're sowing seeds
and you know what
I don't think there's ever been a more fertile ground
to throw those seeds down
because people are starting to you know
kind of wake up and pay attention
and and realize wow you know
those people in the medical freedom movement
really have a lot of important points to make
so I think people are listening
so that the ground is fertile
for all your seeds of truth that are falling
and I I certainly can't thank you enough
it was just an honor to interact with you
and you know after after listening to you
for probably you know close to two decades
I guess it is that denotes it finally
and I think we're running out of time
so if they want to cut in
I just want to thank you so much
and if if you want to just do a final final talk
about your the ways to contact you
because there's so many ways
we'll put them in the show notes
but if you want to just throw out
a couple of things really quick
that'd be awesome
yeah well one thing I want to say really quick
and I've been closing all of my my interviews with this
because I think it's really important
is that I really think that this is a time
where you need to get your physical house in order
clean out those cupboards
get rid of the old food
your stuff you shouldn't eat
do the things in your house that you always
get rid of the clothes that you're never going to get
skinny enough to wear again
you know all of those
get them out of your closet
get rid of clean up your house
paint the room
get rid of stuff you just don't need
you know I make my determination on two things
number one if I when I pick something up
does this make me happy that I want to keep it
or number two if I were going to sell my house and move
is this something I would want to put in a box and take with me
because if it's not it's either one of those two things that has to go
the second thing is you need to take care of your physical body
get some extra sleep
eat better get some exercise
exercise your mind
you've got a stack of books over there you've always wanted to read
now's the time to read them
and thirdly and most importantly is get right with God
get your relationship with God right where it needs to be
because we are fighting powers and principalities of darkness now
it's just not these evil people like Bill Gates and Gabby and Tony Fauci
who's driving them
what sort of spirit behind them is driving them to want to depopulate the planet
that's the level that we need to engage in
so I encourage everybody to get your life right with God
and then if you want to get more education about the vaccine stuff that we were talking about
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and drtenpenny.com all about me
wow thank you so much Dr. Tenpenny
yeah I mean these seeds of truth you know they're countered by you know
Sowing Seeds of Doubt
that's like the tobacco science
that's the playbook that they're using you know
so you'll throw a fact at them
and then they just kind of say well very rare
you know they just they constantly are on top of you know
between the censorship and just sowing those seeds of doubt
but you are a force to reckon with
so we're going to be praying for you and your safety
because the the powers that be you know are are just that
they are very powerful so
well we all got big angels and you know
and we're all out there doing God's work of trying to spread the truth
trying to save each additional person from the jaws of the pharmakea
which are the sorcerers
and we can save a few more put a few more people
into the kingdom of heaven at the same time
then we're doing the best we can do
oh thank you so much
so we're going to give it over to either Paul or Dustin at this point
because since our time oh here's Dustin
well thank you very much for joining us Dr. Tenpenny
we really enjoyed your discussion
Lisa did a really good job keeping up
she was great boy she knows her stuff
I think this was one of the best toughest interviewers I've had
she really knows her stuff
go Lisa that was great
thank you
she's a vital part of our team
especially talking about this whole coronavirus
and the vaccination thing that we're facing today
and I really appreciate all of your knowledge
and your spiritual outlook on this
because you know we're Christians here
we all Paul and Ramon and Lisa and I
we all go to the same church
and that's what connects us primarily
so the fact that you brought in the scriptures
and reminded everybody that it's about our relationship with God
and that we're really fighting spiritual principalities
that that's where our real safety is
so I really wanted to thank you very much for bringing that to it
um and so I just wanted to remind everybody that you have Twitter
and that is at busy Dr. T
and you also are on Instagram
and that's Dr. Tenpenny on Instagram
so we wanted to make sure everybody
if they wanted to follow you
because you post and repost stuff on those platforms
so if they want to know what you're thinking
and what your latest thoughts are on current happenings
they can find those posts there on Instagram and on Twitter
and so somebody I just wanted to touch a question from the chat
we did get a question that I noted down in the chat
now somebody was asking about antibody injections
can you talk about that
because we know of vaccinations and how they're developed
we've talked about those
what's the difference between antibody injections
as a way of creating immunity
or protecting us against becoming infected and vaccinations
how would you compare those two or the effectiveness of those
there's really only like three elements for that
that I can think of off the top of my
what happened
and then there's tetanus immune globulin
can you back up
we just heard that you have three things off the top of your head
yeah three things off the top of my head
about the antibodies that I can remember
that I can think of off the top of my head
there's hepatitis b immune globulin
which is the antibody level
there's tetanus immune globulin
and then sometimes they use igg iv infusions
to try to eliminate toxicities from their system
and they do that with various types of conditions
and what that is
it's just instead of injecting the the antigen
and forcing your body to make antibodies
it's sort of like hops ahead of the curve
and inject some antibodies already there to protect from
oh no
okay well it looks like
that might be the natural stopping point of our interview
we should have stopped it when you were when you're ahead
lisa
yeah it was a perfect ending
but yeah you know we really appreciate her coming on
and doing the show
so Ramon just go ahead and make sure that you connect with her
okay
and just stay on on
dr tim benny we're losing your connection
we appreciate you coming in
if you want to just finish your thought
I think you're back right now
and then we'll we'll let you go for the night
I think I kind of did
I think that was the end of my thought
all right well thank you
I wanted to ask a question now
it's personal
okay all right
so I've got a three-year-old daughter
and she had her appendix removed
you know back like six months ago
do you
wow
and I know it was wild
that's really unusual
that's really unusual to see appendicitis in a kid that little
yeah so young
you know I kind of regret how it unfolded
because being three years old
you can't really get a good
she can be a moody little three-year-old
she had just turned three two
and so when we were like what's going on
she's got a fever
she's like my tummy hurts
but then she could jump up and down
so you know we took her to the emergency room
and you know they said she had strep
they swabbed her
and they said that she had strep
so they sent her home
and we took the antibiotics
which I don't know if
we just felt like that's what we had to do
normally we just weren't gonna press the whole thing
if um
I guess we had been through so so much
now let me just ask you
if a three-year-old's got strep
would you take antibiotics for that
probably so
yeah
because strep you know
because if you've got a confirmed strep infection
and you you you could
oh no
we're doing so good
colloidal silver
and with um
about homeopathics and things like that
you really could
but strep can go to the heart
and can cause valvular
problems and it can go to the kidneys
and cause pretty bad kidney disease
and so you know
it's it's kind of risky
and particularly in somebody that young
and is going to be kind of non-compliant
with the various things that you want to do
I would I would probably
treat that with antibiotics
I mean antibiotics you know
the problem with antibiotics is that they're overused
they but they are an important tool in the toolbox
when used appropriately
and if she was sick and had a tummy ache
and had a high fever
and had a confirmed strep infection
I would probably use the antibiotics
and the other tools in the toolbox at the same time
well what turned out happening is three days later
she's still you know high fever
and still has a stomach pain
we went back to the same emergency room
and then we ended up being sent to
being admitted to the hospital
and then then they determined that she had appendicitis
and that it had indeed ruptured
I guess they put her in for surgery
and that it had ruptured
so at that point you really can't do anything
but remove it I suppose
I mean that's kind of where we went
well peritonitis is a really big deal
it can kill people
I mean it's it's and it's really
and you I think it's
that's pretty unusual in that age group
I know
interesting
was she having issues with constipation
or any of those things?
you know I think she had like a urinary blockage
like which might have contributed to it
would that be possible?
I don't want to get too graphic into it
but you know
okay
they had to like like like
something was like not fully
her passageway was not fully like
so they had to like do
like a dilation
yeah I don't know the entire
it's a it's labial something right
so they had to go and and snip the thing
to make sure that everything was not blocked
but anyway so with the her not having an appendix
and she's three and a half years old right now
now I understand that the appendix is supposed to keep
like there's certain things that happen over your life
appendix is supposed to keep good gut flora
I know if you ask a doctor
and the doctors
they like to just scratch their head
and say they don't know what it is
or what I say doctors
I know you're a doctor
but when you generally talk to the doctor
who's your who's the one treating at the hospital
you know they'll
and you're getting your appendix removed
you're like well what's the appendix good for
they're like oh well you know
they don't think you need it anymore
sign here you know
so what would you think about
you know somebody who's starting their life
so young at three years old
three and a half years old
who's not got an appendix
is the appendix going to help with that good gut flora
no I don't think it's that big of a deal really
I think it
you know they call it a vestigial organ
it doesn't
they don't really know what it does
but it's tiny
and doesn't
I don't think it really contributes a whole lot
over the lifetime of your of your health
it's not like
it's not like she had ulcerative colitis
and you took out half her colon
now that would be a big deal
you know
so I don't think that you would do anything different
than what you would normally do
if she still had her appendix right
you'd want to give her you know
a good quality probiotic
and we talk about giving probiotics at bedtime
is the best time to take them in any age group
you know because it populates through your
intestinal tract through the peristalsis
and it has a better opportunity of sticking
where it needs to be
you know at bedtime
you know having to give her adequate vitamin D
vitamin C
eating organic
washing her hands
the normal stuff that you would do
if she still had her appendix
you want to make sure
that you want to just make sure
that you really follow through with it
now that she doesn't
okay well thank you very much
I just really appreciate your take on things
and your knowledge
so I just personally
I felt like I wanted to ask you those questions
just to keep my mind in the right direction
so God bless you
thank you very much again
for coming on the show
you're welcome
and you know
yeah
I mean I don't think you know
I think I would maybe go backwards in time
and look a little bit if
see if you could isolate anything
that may have been happening
prior to when she got sick with the appendicitis
and then have it ruptured
I mean does she have any signs of food allergies
you said you said she
did you say she's she's been vaccinated
or she has not
she has not had any vaccinations
okay even vitamin K
nothing she was born at home
and she's been nursed
awesome awesome great
does she does mom have any food allergies
no I think she
she just eats really well
she doesn't like a lot of sugar
okay because because that that would be you know
and I wouldn't make like a really big deal about it
because you can't do anything about it now
I mean it's already gone
but it's like what what could have been happening
that may be something you need to change
in lifestyle or food or something
that would have caused her to get appendicitis
at that early at that early of an age
yeah all I can think of is she's probably
one of my most stubborn children
that I've ever had
she's just like the girl is
it's just the most
I love her I love it
I can relate
I think it's we can get her in the right direction
but she is a stubborn one so
I don't know if that's a factor
okay great well
well anyways I hope that
I hope that that interview is what you guys are looking for
it's um I hope it helps your audience
Lisa you're you're a rock star man
keep doing what you're doing seriously
we'd love to have you part of our boot camp
oh I would love to
yeah I'm still here
so um I would love to plug in and get more involved
because yeah I can't seem to satiate my desire
to learn more about this stuff for some reason
even though my kids are older
um I just you know and I try
in my circle of influence as much as possible
to kind of just uh one person at a time
as much as I can
yep and if you you might want to look into
and maybe direct some people over to vaccine u
I don't know if you checked that out yet
that's vaccine the letter u to
dot com of all of our individual courses
I think there's about 30 courses in there right now
the goal was that I was going to have
all the rest of the vaccine education
all the courses for each one of the
individual vaccines done by the end of the year
but this covid stuff kind of has taken up my time
so it's going to get done when it's going to get done
I I don't know if I've got the horsepower
to get it done by the end of the year though
but there are a lot of the our most popular courses
there are ones that come up a lot
are are for for a roguium and vitamin k
and tetanus are the most popular ones over there
we do Gardasil there's a whole series on moms and pregnancy
I'm sorry I want to get a whole series done on
not on pediatric condition
pediatric things non-vaccine pediatric things
I just created a course on crooked heads
because now because this late
laying all these kids on their backs
you know it's like destroying their
destroying everything about childhood
and so I just finished a course on that
it should be up by Monday I think
I want to do one on circumcision
because that comes up a lot
and but so you don't have to go through the boot camp
to take any of the courses at Vaccine U
and so you might want to take a look
and then that might be another resource
where you can direct people to that
we'd really appreciate it
oh that sounds fantastic
I didn't know that's how that worked
so I'll definitely look into that
appreciate it
yeah super
and then our vaccine research library
it's free all you have to do is register for an account
and it's tenpennyresearchlibrary.com
and we've got about 12,000 articles in there
showing problems with vaccines
oh wow okay yeah
because you know when I when I look back
I actually did have to
I didn't even know it was a vaccination
but I had the roguium
like I'm unvaccinated
my dad was really ahead of the game
thanks to him looking up like Dr. Mendelson
confessions of a medical heretic back then
so I'm not vaccinated
but I did have what I guess you just mentioned
the roguium
so yeah I'd be curious to see
what I can do to kind of counteract
having that therapy done
it's really pretty interesting
and if you're Rh negative
if you know more about roguium
and you know more about
because obviously you talk to a lot of people
and you've got an audience
and you've got people that listen to you
and so to understand it a little bit more
that's a really good course
that I put together too
it's indexing you
all right oh Dr. Tenpenny
what a pleasure
I just you know
we'll be praying for you
because just keep doing the interviews
because you really are sowing some incredible seeds
and I know some of these are going to
just blossom into people
just getting really fired up about this
and pushing back
so we appreciate you
all right
thank you guys so much
God bless
have a good evening
all right you too
thank you
bye-bye
all right
well what an amazing interview
I'm really glad she gave us so much time
she gave us more time than we even asked for
so I appreciate her coming on the line
and talking with us
I hope you go check out her website
and support her
drtenpenny.com
and also vaccineu.com
and also tenpennyresearchlibrary.com
yeah she has so many websites
and you can check her out on twitter and instagram
she is not shy
so that's good
and you could probably find a lot of
interviews that she's done recently
because she said she's been doing a lot of interviews
I think she may have been on that high wire
yeah yeah
she was
yeah she was talking
I heard you mentioning that when I got here so
well guys we're going to be doing a giveaway
at the end of this live stream
so um there's only like four people
right now that are in the mix
and there's what
how many are we giving away?
four
so right now you're guaranteed winner
unless someone uh
so what we're going to do is
if we have one more person who signs up
then we'll just spin the wheel once
and that person will be eliminated
yeah there you go
we'll just go home early
all right well yeah
so have you ever talked to her, Lisa?
uh no I have not
I believe I called her office
and asked a question
and her team is so kind, helpful, incredible
a friend of mine who's a PA
she calls her office pretty frequently
to get some some help with with her patients
so um yeah she's just a wealth of information
and it's just uh couldn't you know
I can't say enough great things about her
yeah well I really hope everyone goes and checks out her website
tomorrow we have uh Sheriff Mack on the program
so make sure you tune in
can you pull his him up Dustin
yeah uh we're gonna have Sheriff Mack on the program tomorrow
at 4 45 p.m Arizona time
Mac Sheriff
yeah Richard Mack Arizona
yep that's okay
Richard Ivan Mack is the former sheriff of Graham County Arizona
which is good because he's a former sheriff
that means he won't be
he won't have any interest conflicting
and I interviewed him probably in 2007 I believe
during the Ron Paul campaign
I think it was right before 2007 2008
somewhere around there
I interviewed him a long time ago with my XLR camera
or XL1S sorry the Canon XL1S camera
and so I still have that footage somewhere
I don't know whatever happened to that
I think it's actually online somewhere
probably on my old YouTube channel
which I probably shouldn't even mention
because I don't think anyone knows about
what is it
I'm not gonna tell
what are you afraid of
so um anyways um
but I'm excited to talk with him again
he's on fire right now over this whole issue
and uh hopefully we're we're talking with Dr Ron Paul as well
so hopefully we're gonna schedule that yeah
we got Dr Ron we got him on the hook man
we hopefully we'll get him
I'm gonna have to get a haircut or something
hopefully we'll get him on the show
I mean I have his bobblehead
so I mean you think that's all I need to say
Dr Paul I have your bobblehead come on the show
so it's going to be a great week
we have Sheriff Mack
do you have him pulled up yet Dustin?
yeah I just pulled up his Wikipedia
he's um
yeah there you go
we got Richard Mack
read read read that
okay so he's the former sheriff of Graham County Arizona
I didn't know
but there's only a handful of counties here
um Graham Graham County
I don't know where that is
but um and a political activist
he is known for his role in a successful lawsuit
that's nice
brought against the federal government of the United States
which alleged that portions of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
violated the United States Constitution
he is a former lobbyist for gun owners of America
and a two-time candidate for United States Congress
Mack is also the founder of constitutional sheriffs and peace officers association
yeah
and established the county sheriff project movement
both of whom reaffirm what they claim is the constitution constitutional power
to refuse to enforce federal laws
that's what I like to talk about
because you know I've mentioned that
I really want to find out like where the rubber meets the road with these sheriffs
well you're doing the interview tomorrow
so am I just going to leave it to you to come up with these questions
no way
you're going to be here all day drinking coffee
I'm going to be doing my real job
and then I'll see if I can listen
I'll listen to what I can
I'll try to um yeah I'll try to find out what he's about and stuff
but I you know
yeah
I just like to answer people after they talk and find out what's um
you know kind of just have a dialogue sometimes
I don't I'm not that good at it
so make sure you tune into tomorrow's show uh 4 45 p.m
we're going to have sheriff Mack on
and then the next day we're going to be talking with
Richard Gage of 9-11 truth um
or I'm not sorry
architects and engineers for 9-11 truth
so I'm really excited to have him
I actually worked with him quite a bit back in the day
we made a video together
and actually a few videos together
and so I know him
I don't know if he remembers me though
so it was so long ago
but he's a really nice guy
went out to eat with him a couple times
he's a really nice guy
seems like um he's just uh
they're they're releasing a new film called seven
uh which we could play the trailer if we need some time
but uh yeah I'm looking forward to that interview as well
yeah I I really want to kind of remind people
because it seems like with this coronavirus people can
uh
you know when you're looking at this whole
false flag thing
that there's this idea that there's people in power
and when I say power I don't mean necessarily elected office
I mean people who have the ability to influence
policies and to make things happen
that's the power
that's the real power
I don't think politicians have power
because their powers are checked
so there but there are plenty of people in certain places that have power
to move forward agendas and work the political system
and we saw that happen with 9 11
because all it took was uh not all it took
but one event two buildings falling in plain sight
one kind of on the side which nobody really talked about
that's building seven and the fire at the pentagon
and all of that stuff was for people who had eyes to see
and maybe not that day
maybe over the next couple years
you see documentaries like lose change
or um
or architects and engineers for 9 11 truth
you see those types of things
and you're like well it's clear
this is this is um more than what it appears to be
they're doing something
they're doing something sinister
and they they trumped up this whole event to make it
um because there's people who who are like 9 11 is an inside job
which I think most people who are 9 11 truthers
I don't think there's anybody saying well 9 11 happened just like that
with the 19 box cutters and the um the terrorists
and you know they want to take away our freedoms
and and Osama bin Laden in the cave and everything
but the government just took advantage of it
and they just moved forward with policies that we're still
you know living in today
so with this whole coronavirus
this certificate of vaccination identification event
I believe the same people if it's not them
it's it's their progeny right basically
because it's a whole decade later
it's whoever comes with them
it's who is ever in their club
and I think it's the same people
because they lived like a hundred years old
because they're doing that adrenochrome stuff
which we could probably talk about Lisa
what do you know about that
but anyway I don't know anything about it
all I know is that it's like drinking baby's blood or something
but um yeah no it from what I understand
it's um if you torture someone they produce
you know obviously we produce adrenaline under severe stress
so they you know it's it's
I I remember the first time I read it
and I just like put it down
I said I am never going to look back at that ever again
I wish I never saw it
but it's coming up more and more
that uh the globalists are just
that's their drug of choice
and um they torture children
because there's so many
you know we have the human trafficking
and all those issues
and all these uh pedophile rings
and all that kind of stuff
that's actually starting to come to light more and more
allegedly
yeah and some of it is actually
I know we all know it's true
but you know what can you do
and they they torture them
and then they draw their adrenalized blood out
and then they uh somehow it gives them a rush
and that's their drug of choice
and it's just it just shows the callous um you know
satanic uh just it's the darkest ugliest thing
you could ever imagine
it's like the monsters inc thing
you know someone just
I think it was one of my kids kind of made that analogy
or they told me
I never saw the movie
but um I know the premise of the movie
that they that they liked scaring the children
so they can get their um
they they their power came from the children's fear
so that's a lesson to you guys
don't be afraid of these people
no it just shows that hollywood always
almost kind of like puts it in your face
in some way or another
um through their their movies
because it's all intertwined
and they they kind of just give you these hints
or sometimes blatant um showing what they're doing
but talking about that fear thing
like I believe that the way they've been with 9-11
clear fear
you know they're gonna get us
the terrorists want to come
and you know they can just crash planes in anything
anytime they could just pinpoint me in the park
walk in my dog
you know nowhere near anybody
you can just grab a plane and just dive bomb it right into me
so everybody's afraid of the terrorists
so the government's like
well we're just gonna have to take measures
to make sure that's never gonna happen
and so today nearly 20 years later 19 years later
is like everybody's still afraid
so the same person 20 years later
is walking down the you know path with their dog
but now they've got a mask on
because they feel like they they need to be protected
and so that fear is something that they've been playing on
people for well this is in both of these instances
we're talking about 9-11
and we're kind of super imposing it right right now
with this whole corona
I'm sorry certificate of vaccination identification program
and so they've they've used the fear
and you can see the people that just go right along with it
because they don't want to talk about
they don't want to talk about any of these bad things
nobody wants to talk about
the fact that maybe there is an evil cabal of people
who kidnap and torture people
and inject their blood and do all kinds of craziness
and they really want to enslave the whole population
and 9-11 was something that they executed
to move some pieces down the board
you know in the game of life
or the game of risk or whatever they call it
and today we've got this certificate of vaccination
identification program
where they're playing on people's fears
you know if you're not wearing a mask
you can infect me
and so people maybe what we're looking at
with people in mask are just afraid
people who are afraid you know
and maybe some of it's justified
and maybe it's just how people live
and maybe they've been
whether they realize it or not
their their fear response has been manipulated
but you know it kind of goes back to
you know the evidence was there right from the get-go
when we had the princess cruise ship
and we looked at the death rate
and the you know here was almost like this perfect model
it was real data
it wasn't a projection
it wasn't you know like the
what was the name is slipping
of that the gentleman who you know jumped ship
and the master of disaster
is what the articles are calling him
the original model
the imperial college model
which was so couldn't off by orders of magnitude
but here we could have just looked at that princess cruise ship
and we're like wow you know
here's the most vulnerable population that is older
and has comorbid conditions
and yet their death rate was so finite
so why wouldn't we extrapolate real data
instead of going with this absolutely over-inflated
and it turns out his math was incorrect
every everything about it was wrong
and so I knew right from the get-go
that this was all a facade
and so I knew that this was you know planned
you know you've got event 201
that this was a scare tactic
that this was going to be just a pandemic of fear
to take away our right
so I you know I knew the virus was real
you know I never denied that there wasn't a virus
and I did stock up on you know vitamin c
and and things like that
but that's really the only thing
I still have yet to wear you know a mask
I'm not going to do it
well I stocked up on vitamin c
not because I was worried
but because everyone's buying it all up
and I was like I better get some
it's true like even Costco
their vitamin c
those great big bottles of like 500 capsules
that are a thousand milligrams
they were out for like the longest time
and then when I the one time when I saw him
was like limit one or so yeah exactly
and that's what that's how the toilet paper happened
yeah because you know there was
I'm glad the toilet paper though is coming around
it seems like everywhere you go now has toilet paper
yes time to stock up
so you know we we just look at
why didn't we look at that
and just say wow this is the most vulnerable age group
and the death rate was still
so I'm I wish I could remember
I want to say it's one percent for
and that was the most vulnerable age group
so today the CDC did release data
I believe it was to yeah today's Thursday
and it was so shocking that they determined
that the symptomatic group of people
has a 0.4 the death rate is 0.4
for people that exhibit symptoms
and are positive for coronavirus
and then they have to factor in
you know after doing all this antibody testing
and saying wow look at all these people
that never even had symptoms
but have the antibodies to show
that they actually were infected
and so if you factor in the serology numbers
you're looking at a 0.26 death rate
which is so incredibly low
like it's a quarter of a percent
and so we've shut down the world
for an infection that kills a quarter of a percent
and if you look at all the previous coronaviruses
and the death rate the SARS and MERS
were exponentially larger
and we never did any
we never took any of these type of drastic draconian measures
to you know to try to fight those
so and it the irony is when I was watching speaking
we were talking about the high wire a little bit
I haven't finished today's episode
I was listening to it on the way here
and they talked about how there was two tests
two trials clinical trials for a flu vaccine
and it was at flu vacs flu vent
flu vacs I believe
and the death rate for the flu vaccine trials
the vaccine itself killed in one trial
it killed 0.4
and in another trial that killed 0.6
so we literally shut down the world for a virus
that kills 0.26
that kills less than the flu vaccine
so are you telling me that
six out of a thousand people who get a flu vaccine
die yes
and that was in the clinical trials
and of course they still passed
because you know the FDA
like that's acceptable
right and that's a high number
and what I didn't get to ask Dr. Tenpenny
it was one of the questions
they did mention on the high wire
that you know we're hearing more and more
about the what is it the Moderna
the Moderna trial
and how three out of the 15
there was a test group of 45 individuals
and they were broken up into three groups dose wise
so the highest dose group
three out of the 15 had severe reactions
where they needed hospitalization
and medical attention
so that's 20% of that's just crazy
so 20% of you know
so it was 45 altogether
and then you look at the
where was it Oxford is also has a flu vaccine trial
and they just switched their placebo last month
from a saline injection to a meningitis vaccine
is going to be the placebo
that they're testing that back
that particular vaccine against the Oxford one
all right we got a caller here
we got Orange Blood on the line
Orange Blood you're on
with Dustin and Lisa
hey what's going on Dustin and Lisa
hey Orange Blood
hey I had a question for you Lisa
but I did have a comment for Dustin
I want to tell him I'm sorry for teasing him
about the pink shirt
it's just that he told me to buy one
and then he told me if I did buy one don't wear it
or you call me a homo
so I wanted to tease him about that
I don't know anything what you're talking about
you do know what I'm talking about
buy the shirt if you're gonna buy it
stop talking about it
all right sorry Dustin
I know it's at you
I'm not gonna buy a pink one unless you wear one
so yeah I forgot about that already
because a real question
I remember how I forgot
so but the real the serious question is
I called in the last time Lisa was on
and she mentioned to drink CG water
yeah he talks your body
and I was just wondering
is there a certain amount of water
of the Fiji water you should drink each day
and is there like a in the in terms of like a duration
like days weeks or months
is there like a certain amount of time
you should drink it for
well it's Dr. Christopher Exley
he actually did a small study
and so you could probably find that information online
and just trying to remember
you should drink a what is it
I want to say it was like three quarters of a liter
within an hour's time frame
so you kind of want to really do a flush so to speak
you don't want to be sipping on it all day
isn't going to have the same effect
so I typically do it on a day that I would fast
and so I can I'll drink you know within
I try to do it within 45 minutes
I drink those
I think they're actually a half liter
and I do it within 45 minutes
and maybe I'll do two a day on a fast day if I remember
so yeah it's a matter of kind of a flush
and again it will chelate because of the silica content
because silica and aluminum are bound naturally
and it's going to bind that aluminum
and you will flush it out
all right well thank you for for elaborating on that
I appreciate it
and I'll leave you alone about the shared dust
and I'm sorry to upset you
I don't want to lose my blue branches
yeah you know what's it you know what's on the line here so
I'm trying to I don't want to lose it
I appreciate what you guys are doing
I gave Paul a framing the world donation tonight
so keep up the good work
and I'll be watching the other shows you got this week
I appreciate it
hey you got another youtube channel
I have a I have this youtube channel
I have another one yeah
yeah I saw you rolling around on the other one
yeah I had to create a new one
so that way I could communicate on the pastor Steve Anderson
did you get blocked
yeah because I was on there like two or three months ago
I didn't know what I was talking about
what did you get blocked for
I think I was upset that people were talking about like stoning people to death
and they were talking about like which people should be killed
and people didn't really like like my opinion on it
so I yeah I learned my lesson
we lost a lot we lost a lot of I don't know how
I don't know how to see who's been blocked
but that channel has had a lot of people blocked
yeah I mean there's a lot of ice
when I was on there on Wednesday
there's a few people that say crazy stuff
and they're trying to troll on purpose
yeah all right man
well I appreciate you calling in orange blood
thanks so much for the call man have a good day
if you do if you guys want to call into the show
480-519-4999
we're going to be on for a few more minutes
about 15 more minutes
and at the end we're going to be doing a giveaway
and we're going to be giving away these materials
Dustin show them off there
okay we have evidence of harm
mercury dental fillings destroy health and the environment
and that's an awesome film
dot com and that is an 80-minute documentary
about mercury
check it out I don't know if
does that feature Dr. Tenpenny
I no no
I saw that years ago
it's really good
yeah it's really good
I think it's Dr. Paul Conant
is that am I right
yeah and we're gonna
well no no no
he's not in this camera here
uh yeah there you can't see it okay
I kind of want to be like Johnny Carson
because he always would like yeah
we just have to get another camera to do that
I have to lighten it up a little bit
you can't see anything
because that's or you know Dave Letterman
yeah well we're gonna have the director on the film
I think next week
he's out of town this week
so I think we're gonna have him on next week
to talk about the film
so they don't even do mercury fillings anymore
but you know you could still have
they do too
yeah they do a lot yeah
oh wow
yeah I just got mine removed
yeah you have to
who who did you have somebody local
yeah I went to somebody local yeah
do you mind saying his name
it's the guy you recommended to me Lisa
oh wait Dr. Fritz is retired
no it wasn't Fritz
really
no okay
he doesn't want to recommend him
it's look I don't want to recommend my dentist either
because he sucks
and they all wear masks
he's real like
well they are dentists
worker he's safe
but dude his personality sucks
I want to give him a one-star review
just because the way
you better get a new dentist
but this is the thing
like I didn't want to give a one-star review
and then have to go back there
so I gotta find a new dentist
you gotta commit
and then the other day
they wouldn't even let me in without a mask
then that was like the the coup de grace man
leave a one-star review
yeah I should
and then don't tread on us
songs for freedom
yeah
which is amazing CD
we should throw some in
you don't have a cd player
yeah no but we have it on the computer there
all right we'll cue it up
all right so
all right
so we'll pick one
which one would be a good one
well the title song
the title track
okay fluoride poison on tap
so you know
I just paid $280 for Berkey
or whatever those things cost
plus whatever the filters cost
I don't even know what to think
I just remember going okay
well now's the time to buy Berkey
so I'm ready for the apocalypse
you know
where I'll take the toilet water
and I'll filter it and drink it through the Berkey
but on a daily I guess I'm not really getting rid of the fluoride
because these guys say that the Berkey isn't doing it
so
oh it's not
you can even call them man
I've called them personally myself
and it's not
so I'm gonna give you guys a taste of this real quick
I want I want you guys to check this out
so this is don't tread on us
songs for freedom
today I'm launching something new
something I've never done before
it's a younger version of me
I honestly feel honored to be able to be part of this new album
this new album is a collection of 17 original patriotic songs by ganluka zana
if you are pro second amendment anti new world order you will love this album
these are truly songs of freedom
these are songs for the new american revolution
before it's too late
they're trying to make you fade away
they're trying to kill your fate
we we the people
we're going to fight for our rise
and we could go on and on forever on that
yeah what is that five minutes long
yeah it's like yeah we could just keep going
it just plays a little bit of every track
all right check it out you can see the younger me
yeah I know you look like a teenager
that wasn't when was that album released 2014
so it wasn't even that long ago
yeah so um that's don't tread on us
that was the good old days
it's it's family friendly so yeah
if you want to get that uh leo the lightning bug cd out of the cd player
yeah that's what we're listening to now man
it was what was before that man
it was the it was actually the um soundtrack for um oh brother war art thou
kids like that
but fast food nation so this is talking about uh how bad that food is right paul
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uh we do have someone on the phone uh you want to tee it up there for us ramon
yeah we got a bro j stu from the chat he's calling in you're online man
hey dustin paul what's up guys yo hey bro j
hey i had a super interesting day at work today and i totally thought of you guys after
and i wanted to tell you um relates relates to the coronavirus and such
um just through my work i deal with like the mayor's office and such and so today i was at a
location the mayor was there and we were just chit-chatting where do you live man what
part of town or what part of the country you don't have to tell us like details but like
yeah no that's i live in utah okay the uh the one utah listener
did we talk already once you called him before yeah okay yeah we talked before
i didn't know you were brother j stu maybe last time did you did you identify differently
last time no i always identify okay all right okay so you're like in with the mayor and
you're just talking to the mayor and you guys are just sitting in like you got the food
you feed up on the mayor's desk carry on yeah we're boys we're just chilling yeah
uh no uh i work for the fed so i deal with my anyway doesn't matter anyway so we're sitting
there chatting about just stuff and and so he brought handlers like i've said too much
go ahead right right he's like keep it down uh no he says did you notice this is the mayor
asked me he's all did you notice that in our county you know we've only had one death for
covid and i said yeah i did notice that and he says do you know the story and he named the
guy's name and i said no i don't know any i don't know the guy or anything you know and he said
he says oh it's really interesting he's all he was in michigan when he died and i was like
okay that's weird and he's all yeah he was on a mission obviously he's you know a
latter-day sickness but he was on his little mission over in uh michigan and and i said well
did he can contract the covid here in utah and he said no and i said well how in the world did it
get on the map as being our county a death counted for us and he said that's the exact
question he's all i'm surprised you didn't hear about it because it was like big news because
uh and then i'm just gonna make it the short version basically he says do you remember when
it first started and they were projecting four million deaths or two million deaths
but there was like there wasn't enough deaths and then all of a sudden a couple weeks later
reports started coming out of people being pressured to put down other symptoms for the
death instead of covid 19 he said the whole reason for that is because individual counties
and states get money from the fed based off of how many deaths they have in their given county
or state so the states are like fighting with each other to to get the deaths on record
so they can get money from the fed for oh wow so michigan had a guy die over there and then
utah was like zoink we we need that uh you know exactly 250 he he had been there for six months
uh you know he had left utah for six months was living in michigan for six months contracted
it died but they said but he's from utah so we need to put it as a utah death so i i
anyway i'm relaying this with them and i said so what about other states what are they doing
i mean is this kind of fight going on and he said i brought that up with the lieutenant governor
you know when this death came about which was like six months or six weeks ago or something
he said i brought that up with the lieutenant governor and he just looked at me and said you
know there's certain questions that we've learned not to ask about so i'm like well how many
deaths from like new york are from people that are quote unquote from new york but maybe
they're living in you know tulsa oklahoma or something right and he was like that's exactly
right i said i said well how do you know if any of these numbers are even accurate and he said
that's exactly my point this is so it was pretty interesting man to get the the insight
scooped there you know no i've heard about that i've heard about how yeah just follow the
money you know i think there's a very clear trail of um you know where the motivation is
the funding and all of that and hospitals that i know we don't talk about it anymore but i
think there was a lot of talk about how hospitals would get money when they were
when people were diagnosed with covid and then also um when people were put on
ventilator so somebody's right somebody's call look at your screen here on the ipad paul some
yeah we got uh them queued up and ready to go here on the skype video yeah yeah don't don't
don't worry about it okay all right well hey bro anything else you want to say brother
no man i just uh appreciate the show man and uh keep up the good work it was a great interview
today lisa you knocked it out of the park and uh dustin i hope you know how much we love
love and appreciate what you're doing man and all the uh the sunglass fun and the pink shirt
fun man it's all in fun man i just appreciate you guys so much i know how hard it is to do
what you do so i appreciate it well thanks for tuning in we really like the fact that we've
got a very um committed loyal listeners man you know oh man we're in it we're in it for
the long haul we're having a good time so i appreciate your call man all right i'll talk
to you guys later all right so we have on the line someone that i totally forgot that
was coming on tonight so i apologize but we have uh zachary and i i'm not sure how to
pronounce his last name so i'm gonna try not to butcher it we have another guest yeah we
have another guest man and so um we're just gonna be quick um uh zachary how you doing man
yeah i'm uh i'm doing well i i've got on my phone right now i had it on my laptop here but
when you called it went through my phone and on my laptop so i'm trying to
i don't know why that happened but here i am well we can call you back if you want us to
uh no this will be all right all right as long as the video is okay yeah no it's great so
uh i just want you to tell us your story because i'm not quite sure what what you're
going through um but just tell your story right now and what's happening with you and your family
well so there's actually something else that happened in our town over the weekend um they
put out a big notice the health department saying we're going to come after these restaurants
our governor went on cnn here in ohio governor deline and said he was going to go after all
restaurants that were not social distancing he encouraged people to call in call into the
health department and they would come after them so actually an ice cream place in town
um a small place small family business uh they have got picnic tables out back they
had them six feet apart and they got written up and they got threatened like we did
um the difference with our situation how i emailed you we got threatened before the
mask mandate went in so we were under the impression with the health supervisor who's above
our uh health inspector we were under the impression that we had exemptions for our store
because we have a farm market so it's really hot outside especially right now in ohio it's
like 89 90 degrees um we've got a deli with uh slicers who slice meat and
cheese and everything like that so it's a very hard physical job and we had exemptions in place
she was getting calls from snitches coming into our store saying we're reporting this business
and she told us they were these people go from business to business
snitching on other people snitching on businesses and she was on our side the whole time hey
zach yeah okay hey my name is dustin i won't be talking with you so you you called in
just a minute ago you're on skype yeah correct hey call right back i'm gonna switch you to this
ipad so you can see me and i i want to talk to you so we can kind of because uh yeah i
didn't know you were calling in so i just wanted to be able to i want to be able to look
at you so uh can you call right back and i'm gonna switch devices you can switch to your
phone if it's better for you you want to do that yeah i guess he is all right you there
okay yeah so so paul give us a little back story okay you want to bring me back just call real
quick uh if you want to use your phone or your laptop whatever you prefer to do and then that
way i'll get my camera on and you'll see who you're talking to okay so should i just call
back paul yeah just call back the same same connection all right sounds good okay dustin
really enjoys mute mute uh the computer justin really enjoys to have yeah it's more personal
yeah for some reason you'll you'll stop the whole show we'll we'll like take five minutes to try to
connect him again all right here we go all right all right so now we're on audio i don't know if
we got video here let's see if we can go video here all right okay can you hear me
yeah i can hear you perfect all right you should be able to see me now too
yeah perfect all right i got you okay so forgive us for um for just the abrupt change um no no
worries so my name is dustin i'm hosting the show here with paul and i don't know if we have uh
lisa or ramon gonna jump in but we're talking with zachary and zachary's in ohio and zachary
you have a store you got a restaurant and what happened you you got okay so paul didn't brief
me so i'm just gonna have to go to you and part of the interview is gonna be like well who are you
and what do you do zachary no uh we actually own a farm market so it's a farm market and retail
store okay um and we've got like deli meats and cheeses uh produce um and you know amish bulk
food and stuff like that yeah and we've got like an open air produce market as well is a family
run type of place yeah yeah it's been my grandpa started it in the mid 80s i think so we've been
here you know almost 40 years nice i um i used to live in the country and we used to go to a
place like that and you know you get sandwiches made or they'd have like you can uh get bulk
candy or whatever right that kind of thing yeah right okay so you know you guys are just
running your business just like you normally would and then this lockdown happened did you
guys start taking some uh some social distancing measures and did you shut down did you just
change the way that you operated what was the first thing that went through uh you're operating
here no we we never shut down and even the program uh presented to us by the president
um it wasn't really enough i mean it was like a payroll protection so it'd be good for our
employees but as for you know my father there's there wasn't really anything for him as a small
business owner so we never really were interested um it was never really enticing to shut down and
we never had to because a farm market technically um is essential and we never wanted
to wear a mask we never did social distancing right at the beginning because we just thought
well just like any other virus or whatever people will just police themselves you know that's
generally the thought we had i've never been interested in wearing a mask i'd we have to now
um if we didn't have 30 employees i would have just told the health department to come get us you
know but you know that's 30 people that we pay a good wage to right so you know like what i
was saying we had an agreement with the health department intact in place and then like a normal
government job she emails us five o'clock friday so she's not going to be there all weekend
and she came out and said you know and monday was the first day for the masks for the retail
stores so she comes out she sends us email and she says if i hear of anyone in your store
not wearing a mask employee wise on saturday we'll fine you and prosecute you and then we're
going to shut you down and this was two days after we had an agreement with her in place
is this when was this last week no this was
three or four weeks ago um this was i think i forget what date it was may 14th i think or
may 12th when the governor came out and said that this is going to be the mandate mandatory
day for masks for retail stores so this was the saturday before that friday before that
and so this is in what jurisdiction um of ohio uh it's madison county and so this is that
madison county like health director or who what's the title of the person that you're
interacting with this one's the i think she's a supervisor so it's our health inspector's boss
that's who it would be what's her name i'm not sure what her name is
i should have wrote that lady you probably say under your breath yeah and it's um
you know when it happened you know i've got two sons and my wife you know my wife stays
at home and i was hot i've never been it's kind of different when you have kids i think
uh if this would have happened before i got married or whatever i would have just said whatever
but you know when someone comes after you like that it gives you this anger or uh it's not like
an anger like you want to go yell out or scream out or whatever but it's like a motivation where
it's like you know i this is illegal you know you can't be doing this you know this isn't
anywhere there's business all over the country suing the government and winning over things like
this so and he's actually our governor's been sued they brought an official lawsuit the gym
a couple gyms in ohio and won so that was last week so i mean it's happening and
we were actually i reached out to a couple people and surprisingly enough they actually have
contacts within the cabinet of our governor governor's cabinet positions
and they said it's happening all over the state and they don't really know why because
there was never anything in place you know if you're gonna do a mandate like three days down
the road well two days before that i don't have to do it right you know so why are we
getting threatened a couple days before it even comes out and so evidently they had to try and
put the clamps on these health departments because i mean they were just going to bring lawsuits
especially to these counties because a lot of counties you know they can't afford it you know
they can't even afford to redo the courthouse downtown you know they can't afford a lawsuit so
so what happened to your business so what do you do did you show up on monday did you on
saturday morning were their employees not wearing masks and then somebody ratted is that
what happened no we actually had masks but the reason why we were going to be exempt is because
the first box we got from amazon was from wuhan yeah i mean the mask came from wuhan i mean you
can't even make that up yeah and the second one came from a neighboring city so from the
reports i've been seeing in china they probably just relabeled the box and so we weren't going to
wear them and i don't know what switched i don't know what happened between that and two days
later but um it was a really interesting situation and you know now i just i was telling my wife you
know i didn't really want to be in ohio anymore you know i want to go to south dakota or wyoming
where they haven't had anything you know south dakota never closed down yeah so do you you know
this is a ramon um so so how can we help you like uh are you doing any action do you know
anybody uh that that is like doing any type of like petitioning or uh is there like an email that
we can send emails to or a phone number that we can call and let them know about your
particular situation and how we can help you so we've actually my dad's been in contact with
a couple people and it our situation did go all the way up top from what i've heard within ohio
uh had nothing happened no i mean the situation we're in is we just got threatened
so when that happened dad reached out to a few people that he knows and we were it was able to
go all the way up to the top and nothing ever happened after that email we haven't heard
a single thing from the health department since so back up real quick so we're still two weeks
ago you did you got your mask but you didn't put them on because they're woo hand mask so now
here we are today um but she threatened you on that friday come monday what what's happened
i mean i i kind of i'm still trying to catch up on um how does this all come to
where we are today so we did get masks in that weren't from there so we've been wearing them
on the floor um and since then we haven't heard anything uh what's kind of odd is i mean this is
happening around the country but the cases go down but the restrictions get stronger right
you know the regulations are increasing and it doesn't make any sense to me because from what
our governor and what even the president and falchi and whoever were saying was we need to
flatten the curve well like a month ago they said we flattened the curve and then i think
everyone's thought was okay well we're just gonna go back to normal and now you've got people
coming in with masks and i still say customer base wise we're probably 80 are wearing masks
and it's it's dumb it blows my mind that people so many people are wearing masks i don't
know about you guys but i mean it makes absolutely no sense i see people driving around
and their car and they've got a mask on and it's just it's wild to me no one talks to each
other they just have their head down walking through the store because it's like they live
i don't know if you i've never seen that movie but i've seen the pictures where it's just
like you put on the glasses and and everybody's like a zombie it's i mean because i don't want
to be mean to people because there's plenty of people out there maybe they've got older relatives
or they've got somebody who's got some kind of lung issue at home or they don't want to take
the risk so they wear a mask i know people like that and so i can respect that and and and
you know you got to make your choices and weigh out your thing but at the same at the same time
um it's just it just seems like like you mentioned wait a second i thought this was
about flattening the curve they did flatten the curve oh like it's like they're what are they
doing with the with the news that comes in that says hey you know the the numbers were
exaggerated and you know it's not it's not as as bad as they thought it was going to be
and then on the other hand then they go in and they increase the degree of mandates so
somebody with a rational thinking mind is going to say well what that doesn't even add up because
the mandates seem to be trying to reduce the numbers but the numbers were even lower than
we thought it doesn't make sense but if you think like some of us around here think like
hey that's what they want to do that's the whole agenda is that they have an agenda and
that is to crush small business that is to put the people behind a mask whatever that means to
them but you know they can see who's um not wearing a mask you know and who's not playing the game so
um and that um like your point i think was the other night you were talking about you know
costco like costco doesn't care you know if you don't go there because they've already got
the promises in the back or whatever i think that's essentially what's happening here we've
we've heard from people within the state government or the state department here in ohio
um that there are people that are actively trying to shut these business small businesses down
and it's a goal of theirs and i think you know we've got kroger here in ohio but over
by you guys i think it's called rouse i don't know if you've heard of that grocery store or
not i think it's in california maybe um and it's under the same umbrella uh kroger is
and you know essentially you know i think i think they'd be happy if it was just kroger and
costco and walmart and that was it yeah that's kind of what it seemed like to me yeah if it's
not kroger then it's harris teeter or fred myer or one of those things but they're all pretty
much it's just like it's the same company it's just a different um just a different uh
appearance so they you think it's a you know it's a different thing so zachary um what's what
what's in the future for you guys i mean so now you're still what you got social distancing
you got some plexiglass up and how's business we've got we've got like the tape on the floor
for every six feet but we aren't policing it you know i i can't stand the it's odd that these
businesses are like policing their own customers because it's like you're going to take that
person off and they'll just never shop there again and it's it's not my job to police someone
in the store you know it's i don't we don't hire people to go around you know with like a
six-foot ruler and make sure you're within you know there's no small business built to withstand
six feet it's just not possible even even that they're forcing these restaurants especially
in columbus ohio to police their own customers and it's just there was one bar the first
weekend we opened i think it was last week where he got cited by the health department for not
having a six-foot distance in his line on the sidewalk and he said that's not my property i
don't i can't do anything about the columbus sidewalk you know that's not my that's not my
role here right and he was actually they attacked the wrong bar owner because he's actually in
charge you know house state football urban Meyer the head coach for the old head coach
he's in charge of his bar that he just opened so you know you ticked off the wrong person in ohio
you know because he said he was on the phone with urban Meyer the next day well you know
i think one of the things if we had any lawyers with real stones but none of them do
they're all a bunch of grabblers even if they're trying to if they're acting like they're
protecting you they're still grabblers they got their they're carded you know they're they're
members of the club but um it would be nice because i think the real remedy probably is to
flood the court system with um with just lawsuits and just naming everybody and you know
suing one guy 20 times for 10 20 different things and then suing his his the next person
and that people just you know go ahead and let them feel like they're personally
liable for the decisions that they're making because they're just doing it behind
the title of mayor or city health
person so um so exactly we're gonna have to let you go we're about to wrap up the show and um
and so do you want to give a shout out to anybody listening in ohio where they can come
visit and get some uh what do you guys what's the best product that you recommend out there
what you guys tell i mean we just we just got fresh strawberries in so that's our
that's our big star you know we're big into sweet corn and stuff but we're in plain city
if anyone wants to reach out in ohio what is it we're in plain city ohio plain city ohio
yeah where's that near is that anywhere near any major city or what's direction i mean we're
20 minutes from columbus probably 25 northwest of columbus all right so we're not that far from
central ohio you know the one shout out i do want to give the senator that represents
you know the area where our business is uh stephanie kunzi i sent her an email and when she ran
i mean she ran like donald trump you know he's like big bombastic populist guy she was you
know all these republicans in ohio they're all about being for trump because there was a big
trump movement here in ohio well just like you know i don't know what you guys think about
trump i'm not very you know this operational warp speed thing happening with the vaccines
i mean if that was hillary quinton i mean can you imagine what would happen you know could you
imagine if hillary quinton was overseeing this when the churches were shut down you know i just
can't imagine that right and you know i sent all these emails to our representatives and our
senators who are republicans who uh shared the stage with donald trump and they just sent
this email back oh my gosh make you want to barf you know just this typical politician type
email back you know about you know we understand all the problems that you're facing and it's a very
complex situation and that was it you know it's 15 to 20 sentences that you could have just said
i don't care you know i mean that's all you would have but the senator is it they're
different or they gave you the same garbage no they're no they're the exact same they're all
the same the same that's just yeah that that's what gets them the part it's not um it's
not the fact that they're going to do anything different that's what that's the last thing they
want is somebody who's going to think for themselves and be like a mr smith goes to
washington because um you know that's the last thing they want that's how they get into that
position and then they realize like what your brand is or what the you know donald trump's
brand because they brand these people they put them out i think they they totally portray
them in the media in a certain way they come out and say all these things they um you know
they play to their groups and then they get their groups to kind of like
to echo what they're saying or to continue whether it's the left wing or the right wing
and they play that stuff up and and then the next thing you know you've got all the
republicans and the tea party people and all those people you know singing his praises and
everything and and then that just makes it work work for their agenda so it's just like you said
it wouldn't work with hillary i don't think there was no way hillary is going to get into
office anyway you know so yeah i didn't see it but um all right zachary well thanks for
tuning in and thanks for calling us up uh check back with us next chance you get are you in
the chat ever yeah i'm uh i wasn't usually i catch you guys the next day because i'm usually
asleep by now okay but uh it's my name is farmer zach in the youtube chat all right well we'll see
farmer zach that's me well i apologize farmer zach for screwing this interview up but thank
you so much for coming on telling your story i appreciate it man hey no problem i love the
show i love what you guys do and uh i'll be tuning these next two shows they look really
good so maybe i'll give you guys a call awesome well have a good day man all the best to you
god bless you yeah you too all right i think we're ready to do the giveaway what do you
think dustin is this is this it lisa how you doing over there lisa good i'm here all right
yes she's just browsing facebook yeah no i actually just looked up uh someone told me
that there's a really sketchy person on the board of costco and that's why they've been so
you know tough with the masks yeah um and so his name is jeff rakes and he sir he was the chief
executive officer of the bill and melinda gates foundation really and he also held several
positions with microsoft and he's on costco's wholesale corporations board well it makes sense
because they're they're trying to scare us again you know it's dying down and then costco
makes this this all these that's all they gotta do yeah it's gotta get some guy with all the
money in the world who can you know once you get all the money then you can buy all the
shares and then you can get your seat on the board and then you can push your agenda and
yeah so that's probably who's driving that whole mask thing and because costco is one of my
favorite stores and i haven't been i haven't been since you know so i haven't either but
you know what the um i don't ever go though because they own costco themselves own organic
farms i mean they have a lot of organic products they're one of the largest organic
yeah they're they're incredible so it's it just sounds like they you know they've got this
snake in the mix from bill gates so um and i also wanted to point out because i i don't know
the stats on ohio but um if you look it's kind of interesting again it's a correlation
but if you look at all the states that have the most severe draconian measures like
new york and michigan and california they're not only are they all democrat run but they
are all the most in debt states they have the most uh amount of debt so if they can drive
up their numbers if they can cause an economic uh devastation that they can qualify for more
federal aid so i really think there's definitely um something to that you know and if you look
i can't remember the other states i just those three come to mind but um that's that's
definitely at play interesting so ohio he said he was from ohio right so i don't know yeah
well let's do it are you ready yeah we got the let's let's do the first giveaway all right first
one is don't tread on us don't tread on us all right so how many how many names do we have in
the hat we've got let's read them all here oh so we got we got 10 uh so so far we have
all right chance k kimberly g justin s brad sees on there twice
morgan m william d crystal w jessica g and ray a well i appreciate it brad i don't know
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yeah all right which happens okay here we go spin it to win it
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i don't know but william d won man all right william d william dunham jr i imagine unless
there's another william d that would be nice uh if william dunham jr our friend all right
what's what's next doesn't okay so the next thing is um evidence of harm evidence of harm
okay so this is a blu-ray i don't think i have control over the the spin you click it hard
you just click it harder you just gotta click it hard man just smash it it's it's the next
generation macbook it senses intention there you go see all right okay this is a great movie
brad brad c thanks for supporting us yeah brad thank you so much man all right so if you have
mercury fillings brad you might want to watch that and get those remedied okay next one here
nation is new york times i gotta take them off as i go that's yeah take them off and write
them down you know it changes the um he has a lot of pressure it changes everything yeah when
you have that too many names on there because it just they would have skipped past that one
person and then second time around it would have been to two people you know it throws everything
off you ready just uh yeah all right let's go fast food nation here you go fast food nation
don't eat at wendy's or jack in the box yeah kimberly i appreciate your support kimberly i
appreciate everyone's support thank you kimberly guys i hope you don't have this book and i
hope it's a good read i'm sure she doesn't yeah so let's open this up here let's see what it says
in here um yeah it's got a lot of stuff it's like too many pages look at all this black
and white here all right all right let's have it your way what's in the meat a bug that kills
children the most dangerous job cogs in the great machine on the range why the fries taste
good yeah um behind the counter all right what's next on that list your trusted friends the brand
essence all right i just want to kind of see what that was about fluoride poison on tap
all right here we go thanks for doing this ramon yep yeah man oh crystal crystal man
and crystal is ahead of the game for jessica why because she just missed it it was just a hair
yeah but crystal's like i think she's getting good she's like making this a uh an investment
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you have not emailed me um right yeah there's some there's some miss it's definitely your
fault fault no it's it's no you know who's let's get real here the real fault of all this
is logan and his horrible penmanship what he's not even here come on no he's he's here tomorrow
are you in the chat logan i think he's in the chat yeah logan's gonna be here tomorrow i'm
gonna stick up for logan i think he does a great job yeah you haven't read his penmanship
though nobody has he has it's his own thing he remembers what it's literally the worst
cues to himself this will this will remind me of the thoughts that i'm having
when i wrote this down so all right guys well i appreciate everyone's support and any final
thoughts lisa uh no i thought that you know i was just so honored to get a chance to uh talk
to dr tenpenny and i think she brought up i i mean if that isn't motivate people i don't
know what will yeah she rocked it tonight awesome dustin yeah i was gonna buy a case
of um some of this uh amazon water or not amazon some fiji water a case yeah let me see
just like 20 is there some like special on it right now so 500 milliliters what does that
look like that's not like 16 16.9 ounces okay so at costco you get the same thing for like
three bucks and here it's like is it worth wearing a mask i'm not gonna get costco we we
do the um insta part anyway is that why you're looking no okay let's do our shopping after
the show this is the fiji water though this is the stuff that's good for the mercury
not mercury um aluminum yeah and fiji water just so everyone knows is is tastes great is
the beautiful taste except it does have fluoride in it ah what but it doesn't naturally occurring
yeah yeah you know yeah you can even call the company and they'll tell you
what does that mean how far is it actually from fiji i don't yeah but wouldn't it be better paul
i mean yeah you don't want to have extra fluoride because even people in india that they
have a lot of natural occurring flora in some areas have like not even just they have uh
bone fluorosis coming from natural flora fluoride is really bad for you as well oh i know but
but i mean it's not an industrial waste product at least let's look at the bright side yeah
well great job lisa great job dustin great job ramon yeah i was gonna buy a case of
20 water i don't think i'm going to no it's medicine you think of it as my i am still
thinking so i i just don't know if i should subscribe and save no okay so just just in case
anybody that's local i did find my dentist and i'll shout i'll shout him out did you forget
his name yeah i did oh so that's what that you weren't playing well koi it was actually yeah
he put me on the spot yeah he froze up he didn't know what to say happens a lot but
dr margolis and it's called my dentist that's where i go it's in mesa that's where i go
oh really you like that guy well so i got my own wore a mask yeah i didn't get my uh
it wasn't during this covet oh okay yeah yeah you said just that's why we look yeah
that guy i'm not gonna get into it because i still have to go back to him
hold on i got a doctor hold my tongue i got a good doctor i like her you know a good dentist
um no but they did they did a great job like yeah they do great work i got all my
feelings removed yeah i feel great but you know what when you got your feelings removed
which i did too they didn't wear any masks or anything so he wore a mask for me they're
supposed to be wearing like well they didn't wear they're supposed to be wearing the full uh
mop gear like almost tasmat did they um do the rubber dam a constant suction and did you have
oh he didn't do any of that for me you have to have the three those are the three
baby things he doesn't like me so it's it has to be the rubber dam it has to be
constant suction and you have to have an alternative air supply yeah what do you mean
like a nose you have to have you have to um have an oxygen over your nose because there's
two guys at that office maybe you got the good guy what they don't have a policy oh yes there's
two doctors because i had mine out yes i did get the other guy yeah i got i got him taken out and
they they did like she said this picture they had the suction and they had the dam but i didn't
get any oxygen as far as i remember wait you had the same guy i did right no oh no i got him
like 15 years ago i think i don't know it's been a while all right we're getting down to
the bottom of this this is the guy right there he's there that's the guy on the right
yeah i don't like if you if you go to that place don't use that guy i don't like them use
the other guy use the other guy yeah that other guy is great it doesn't even matter that
guy though is rough yeah yeah it's you know what i didn't even feel as bad for
um like for me as i did for them you know because it's like it was it's already been in
my mouth yeah that other guy wore a mask huh this guy didn't wear a mask i mean he wore that
that thing but that's not a mask yeah yeah i mean you know it's just it's mercury once it gets all
agitated like obviously that's really bad dude they're those people that like put the fluoride
in a tray and stick it in your kid's mouth yeah well they supposedly don't use for it
yeah but these places they're like it's a very dangerous risky procedure because if you and um
ingest any of that's why you have to have the constant suction the rubber dam everything
because if you swallow some of that mercury um dr mercola who i'm sure a lot of our listeners
are familiar with he had this done a long time ago and didn't have all those
um safety measures put in place and he ended up having kidney failure yeah yeah so i actually
did a little detox um afterwards that was smart you know did a little detox you know beforehand
too so you you're gonna have to speak up or turn your volume up yeah yeah so yeah whispering
you gotta do a detox like right before and after like when you get your dental fillings removed so
that's definitely a good thing to do awesome guys well i think that's our show for today thank
you so much for tuning in to the stream uh don't forget to tune in to tomorrow's stream with
uh sheriff mac richard mac and then on saturday we're gonna have richard gage so two richards
back to back should be great shows thank you guys so much for tuning in and god bless