Hey everybody, Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faith Forward Baptist Church in Tempe,
Arizona with episode 4 of Steven Anderson Uncensored Live Q&A.
The phone number to call is 480-465-1203.
If you have a question, again, that's area code 480-465-1203 and the calls are already
coming in.
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Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Hey, good, how are you doing?
Great.
Hey, I have two questions if you can take them, they're kind of similar in the sense
that they're gender related.
My first question is, when you do your sermons, you always start out with men, and I was wondering
if you could maybe expand on why you do that.
I think I know, but I'd love to hear why.
And the second question is also gender related.
It's possibly associated with Mark 22, 29 through 30.
And my question is this, the Bible is always talking about sons of God, that we become
sons of God.
And my question is this, though, what is your interpretation of, like, saved females when
they go to heaven?
Do they become sons of God, or are they daughters of God?
I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that.
Sure.
Okay, well, the answer to your first question is that before every sermon is preached, someone
in the congregation prays, and at the end of the prayer, they say, Amen, and I walk
up and I say, Amen.
And sometimes the way the video is edited, the A gets cut off.
So it sounds like I'm saying men, but I'm actually saying, Amen, at the beginning.
So I'm not actually addressing the men in the audience.
But don't worry, you're not the only person who's thought that I've actually had that
question many times.
And then in regard to your other question, when the Bible says sons of God, it's just
using the term sons generically, to refer to both sons and daughters.
So both male and female are included in that, just like the word man or men is often just
referring to human beings in general.
And you know, no, I absolutely do not believe that women are ever going to become men in
heaven.
They're going to remain women throughout eternity.
That's what they are.
Now, there's a wicked book out there called the Gospel of Thomas.
It's one of the Gnostic Gospels, and it contains all kinds of weird, blasphemous things.
in it.
And one of the things that it talks about is how, you know, women have to become men
in order to enter the kingdom of God and other strange teachings.
If you look on YouTube, I did a video a while back called the Gospel of Thomas Exposed,
and I cover that in that video.
Okay, so you don't think it has anything associated with like Mark 22, 29, 30, and Mark, I'm sorry,
I think it's Matthew, where Jesus is saying, you know, you do greatly err, because, you
know, and they're not given in marriage, but as, as, but are as the angels which are in
heaven.
That
Yeah, but just just just because they're not marrying or given in marriage doesn't mean
that they cease to be male and female.
You know, I believe that we'll always be male and female.
I don't think there's any evidence to the contrary.
And sons is just a generic term.
All throughout the Bible, there are generic terms used.
And part of the reason why it's sort of like in Spanish, when you're talking about a group
of men, you use the masculine plural pronoun.
And when you're talking about a group of women use the feminine plural pronoun.
And if you're talking about a mixed group, you use the masculine plural pronoun for both
and Greek is the same way.
Greek has genders, just like Spanish has genders.
So like if I said the word we in Spanish, nosotros, if it were all men, I would say
nosotros.
If it were all women, I would say nosotras.
And if it were nine women and one man, it would be nosotros, because any kind of a mixed
group always takes the male pronoun.
God bless you.
Thanks for the call.
All right, again, the number is 480-465-1203.
Let's take another call.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
Hi, Pastor Anderson.
I have a question about Romans chapter 811.
Honestly, it's not only on Romans chapter 811.
But I can't figure out if it's Corinthians or Romans.
I wanted to know, okay, who exactly rose Jesus from the dead?
Because in Romans 11, it says, but if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the
dead dwelling you he that rise up Christ from the dead shall also be quick in your mortal
bodies by his spirit that dwells in you.
Isn't that the Holy Ghost?
Well, it's actually yes, it's actually all three members of the Godhead that participated
in the resurrection, because the Bible talks about the Father raising up Jesus from the
dead.
It talks about the Spirit raising up Jesus from the dead.
And it also talks about Jesus himself raising himself from the dead, because he said that
he had the power to lay down his life, and he had the power to take it up again.
He said destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
He spake of the temple of his body.
So actually, all three members of the Trinity participated in the resurrection.
It was a collective act of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost to resurrect Jesus
from the dead, which makes perfect sense since baptism pictures the resurrection, and people
are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
All three were involved in the resurrection.
Thank you so much, I just, I'm like, this is so important, I need to know.
But thank you so much, I figured it was all three in one.
Yep, no problem, good question, have a good one.
Yeah, so modalists will sometimes try to say, well, you know, if Jesus raised himself up,
and if the Father raised him up, well then they must be the same person.
But actually, no, it's just that all three of them participated in the resurrection.
All right, let's take another call.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Hey, good.
Got a question for you.
Hit me.
All right, I got two, I'll make them fast, man.
I was baptized when I was 19, I wasn't saved, and I'm 50 now, and I've recently been saved,
and I had someone in my church tell me that baptism didn't count, I needed to get baptized
again.
I thought that sounded kind of strange, but I want to.
I want to do it as a, you know, obedience towards God, but I didn't know, what was your
take on that?
Yeah, I agree that you should be re-baptized if you were baptized before you got saved,
and there's actually an example of this in Acts chapter 19, where the Apostle Paul runs
into some guys who'd been baptized by John the Baptist, but upon speaking to them, it
becomes apparent that they weren't saved when they got baptized, so he ends up re-baptizing
them in Acts chapter 19, once he preaches unto them the Gospel.
So obviously there's also Acts 837, where the eunuch asks, What doth hinder me to be
baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart thou mayest, and he answered and
said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and then he baptized them.
So the prerequisite to getting baptized is believing in Christ, so if you weren't a believer
when you got baptized, you should get baptized again.
Yeah, I think you're dead on with that one.
One more question, Pastor Anderson.
I'm with you about the CCC, the Catholic cult church, on everything.
How is it that they believe in the Trinity, but they butcher pretty much everything else?
Well, pretty much every false religion is gonna have something right, because the devil
loves to mix the truth with lies.
And so if a religion were just pure lies, then no one would fall for it.
So every false denomination, every cult, even every false non-Christian religion is going
to have some truth mixed in with the lie, and that's how they suck people in.
So I mean, that's not the only thing that the Catholic Church has, right?
I mean, the Catholic Church has other right doctrines as well.
So it's just the lies that are mixed in that make it all poisonous, so.
I got you.
Well, hey, I appreciate what you're doing, man, you're teaching me a lot, so keep going
on.
Well, thanks for the encouragement, God bless you, have a good one.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
Yes sir, I wanted to ask a question about something that I agree with you with, and
then I disagree with you with, if you can take that.
Okay.
Alright, so, 100% agree with you about the fallen angels not having intercourse with
women, being the sons of God in Genesis 6-2, and also in Job 1, where I disagree, I think
in the context in Job 1, at verse 6 is where we see who the sons of God are that presents
themselves before the Lord.
And the first five verses in that context would be Job, who was a perfect man who eschewed
evil, the seven sons, each had their own day, and then the men of the east, and he was the
greatest in the household.
And also, I believe it's verse 5 where he offered burnt offerings, just in case one
of his men, it is in my belief that Job would be one of those sons of God in his family
and all in his household, and I believe you think it's dead righteous sleep.
I was wondering if you could touch up on that.
Well, I mean, I think it's pretty clear that the scene that's going on in Job chapter
1 is up in heaven.
You know, like, we see Job on the earth, we see him and his sons, and we see that, and
then we're caught up into heaven and we see the scene in heaven where the sons of God
are presenting themselves before the Lord, and where of course the Lord has this conversation
with the devil.
Are you saying that that conversation is happening on the earth?
Well, there's a lot of verses in the Old Testament, like Joshua 24, 1, where Joshua
calls all the big dogs, the chief, the elders, the heads of Israel, and what do they do?
They come to present themselves before the Lord.
Now that obviously does take place on earth.
What I don't understand is, I've heard a lot of commentaries from a lot of different
people that do suggest this scene takes place in heaven, and there's really, there's
no heaven, or heaven leaves, or the heaven leaves, or the heaven leaves, nothing like
that's mentioned in the first six verses.
The only thing that you can get that from would be that Satan's there, but isn't Satan
on the earth seeking to devour like a lion right now as it is?
Yeah, I think the problem with your interpretation, though, is that it's pretty clear when you
read the book of Job that nobody on the earth has any clue about this conversation between
the Lord and Satan, because, you know, Job and his three friends, and Elihu, and anyone
else in the story, seem to be in the dark about this conversation between the Lord and
the devil.
So it definitely appears that the conversation took place somewhere else, far away.
So that's why I think that the most obvious explanation would be that it's happening in
heaven, and, you know, we know that the devil's not thrown out of heaven until Revelation
chapter number 12.
So you know, I believe that even at this moment in 2019, he still has access to heaven.
He accuses the brethren day and night before the Lord.
I believe he goes to and fro in the earth, walking up and down, and that he goes up to
heaven.
So, but, you know, I appreciate your insight.
It's an interesting thought, but I'm gonna stick with the fact that it's in heaven for
those reasons.
God bless you, have a good one.
All right, 480-465-1203 is the phone number to call in with your question.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
Yes, and I wonder if there's a question?
Yep.
Yeah, so, can you explain Hebrews chapter 6, 1-6, in a brief way?
I'm sorry, which book?
Chapters 1-6?
That's Hebrews.
Oh, Hebrews chapter 6.
And which verses?
Verses 1-6.
All right, sure, let me flip over there.
Hebrews chapter 6, verses 1-6, therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
let us go on into perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,
and of faith toward God, and of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and
of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do if God permit, for it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and
have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall
fall away, to renew them again into repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son
of God afresh, and put them to an open shame.
And then I'll jump down to verse 8, it says, But that which beareth thorns and briars is
rejected, and is nigh unto cursing, whose end is to be burned.
So what the Bible's talking about here is people who hear the Gospel, they clearly understand
the Gospel, they're so close to getting saved that they can taste it, they've been enlightened,
but they choose to reject that free gift of salvation, and at that point become a reprobate.
You know, the word reprobate is synonymous with the word rejected.
Whoever these people are that it's describing, it's impossible to renew these people to repentance,
you know, they cannot be saved.
So I strongly believe that this is talking about people who have lost the opportunity
to get saved, just like Romans 1 describes it.
And this passage of Scripture actually played an important role in my life, because my dad
actually taught this Scripture to me when I was a child, and he would always talk about
Hebrews chapter 6, he would read this and quote this and talk about it, and that's actually
where I learned the reprobate doctrine, quote unquote, what it's often called, the fact
that there are people who are beyond salvation.
Of course, Romans 1 makes that crystal clear.
All throughout the Bible, there are examples of it, John chapter 12, 39, and 40, where
the Bible says they could not believe because God had blinded their hearts and darkened
their minds and so forth.
And so this is talking about people that are rejected by God, reprobates.
Some people will try to say, oh, these people got saved and they could lose their salvation.
Of course, we know that you can't lose your salvation because he'll never leave us or
forsake us.
He gives us eternal life.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
And nowhere in this passage is it teaching that they got saved.
It's just that they tasted it, they partook of it, they were right there, but they did
not actually receive salvation.
I did a whole sermon on this where I proved that beyond any shadow of a doubt, a lot more
than I can do in just a couple minutes here.
But if you just go on the faithforwardbaptist.org website, click on preaching, there's a little
search bar, just search the word Hebrews 6, and that sermon should pop right up.
Okay, thank you very much.
Yeah, God bless you, have a great day.
Yeah, Hebrews chapter 6 is one of the many passages that talks about people who are beyond
hope of salvation for whom it is too late.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Hi, I've got a question for you.
Have you heard anything about Noahide laws yet?
I've heard a little bit about the Noahide laws.
From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, the Jews
basically say that, you know, they're supposed to keep the Torah, and they're gonna follow
the Old Testament, but that for us Gentiles, all we need to do is just follow the Noahide
laws.
That's our responsibility as Gentiles, sort of a double standard.
What exactly were you referring to about the Noahide laws?
Well, it was basically about how they're trying to bring it into law, they're talking about
building basically a court for the world in Jerusalem, subjecting everybody to Noahide
laws.
And also, there's also in Freemasonry, Noahide laws have been known about for a very, very
long time, and there seems to be a link with that as well.
Yeah, I think that this is part of gearing up for the end times.
I have no doubt at all that in the end times, when the tribulation happens and the Antichrist
is in power, he is going to Judaize the world in many ways.
I think that the Jews are going to have a strong part in bringing him into power.
I believe the temple is going to be rebuilt and everything.
And I think there's a sermon that you'd really like on that subject.
It's called The Devil's Master Plan for the End Times.
And if you, again, go on our church website, search the preaching page for that title,
The Devil's Master Plan for the End Times.
It really talks about the Jewish nature of the Antichrist, the New World Order.
And of course, Freemasonry is very closely tied in with Judaism.
You'll see the Star of Rim fan on Masonic lodges and so forth.
And so those things are very connected.
So the New World Order truly is the Jew world order.
So I don't doubt those things.
Hey, thanks for the call.
God bless you.
Okay.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's been a while since I've looked at the Noahide laws.
I know I preached about it in a sermon a few years ago, but I'm going to have to brush
up on that because it's been a while.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Hey, I'm doing pretty good.
Hey, I just was recently out at Stronghold Baptist Church in Georgia, and also I'm a
regular viewer of yours and many of the other new IFB churches, and I always notice in the
crowd and when I see the Soul Winning Marathon videos that there's a lot of millennials.
What do you think your church has done that the old IFB hasn't done to really get the
millennials in church and have them fired up about the Bible?
Well, that's a great question, and it's very true.
You know, if you go to Faith Forward Baptist Church, the vast majority of people at the
church are millennials.
And I think that part of the reason is that the old IFB is not using technology to get
their message out.
So they're not uploading their sermons to YouTube, and even when they do upload their
sermons to YouTube, they will literally give them titles like July 9th AM service.
Like that's the title.
They don't even put the name of the sermon.
It's like they don't want people to listen to it.
And I mean, I've gone on the YouTube channels of old IFB churches that literally run in
the thousands, and they'll have like a couple hundred subscribers, maybe a thousand subscribers.
Of course, our church runs like 400, and we have 121,000 subscribers.
But part of that is just that we're putting out a lot of content every day.
And the old IFB is not using social media effectively to get the Word of God out there.
And the biggest reason for that is that they're afraid to.
They actually don't want the masses tuned in because they don't want to be held accountable
for what they're saying.
You know, if they preach a hard sermon, they don't want to end up on the five o'clock news.
Well, you know what?
I'm glad to end up on the five o'clock news because I'm ready to preach anything in the
Word of God from the housetops.
And so it's sad how fear is holding them back from putting their content out there.
But in a way, I'm kind of glad that they're afraid because of the fact that, you know,
it's just the more listeners for our movement.
You know, the 20-some pastors that are in our movement are pretty much dominating YouTube
when it comes to Baptist preaching.
And since, you know, I believe that we're more doctrinally sound anyway, people might
as well listen to our stuff.
You know, if the old IFB wants to just die and become irrelevant, well, that's what they're
doing.
And do you also think that because the young people, no matter what generation they've
been, that young people have always wanted to hear good, sound, hard preaching, and especially
the soul-winning?
Yeah, I think you're right about that, too.
Part of it is just the purity of youth.
You know, the younger people are.
Sometimes they haven't been as corrupted or jaded or disillusioned.
So there's kind of the purity of being younger.
But then there's also kind of that rebellious streak that young people have, which can be
a very bad thing if they're rebelling against the Lord or rebelling against their parents
or whatever.
But, you know, what I think that we've done at Faith Forward Baptist and in this movement
is to kind of channel that to where people are rebelling against worldliness.
They're rebelling against the devil's crowd.
So I've jokingly said that our church is like the punk rock of Baptist churches, because
the crazy thing is, the world has gotten so weird that being normal and being a Bible-believing
Christian and actually having right beliefs and right doctrine actually makes you countercultural.
So we're countercultural, and young people like that, too.
So awesome.
Awesome.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, God bless you.
Thank you.
Yeah, I really love the fact that we're reaching young people.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
Hi, Pastor Grace.
I have a quick question.
I left a voicemail for this effect, which you can ignore because I wasn't sure I articulated
it correctly.
But what I wanted to ask has something to do with soul winning.
I was at the soul winning conference, and one thing I remember distinctly you preaching
about is how when we go out door to door or however we choose to do it, we need to do
so with love.
We have to genuinely love people and want to see them be saved.
Whether it's out of pride or whatever it might be, I just look at the world, and sometimes
I just hate everything in it.
And I'm wondering if there's any particular scriptures that you can point to to kind of
look beyond that hatred and reconnect with that love that God would have us keep with
us as we go out and preach the gospel to people so that we can do so genuinely.
Yeah, I mean, one of the first verses that popped into my mind while you were saying
that is just Romans five eight.
But God commended his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for
us.
So God definitely loves us in spite of our faults, in spite of our sins.
And so that's what we have to do when we go out soul winning, even though we might be
upset about sin or angry at the things of this world.
We can't just look at sinful people and and have disgust or disdain for them when we're
out.
It's really important that we have actual love and compassion for them.
And you know, this is emphasized over and over again in the Bible, like where Stephen,
when he's being stoned, says, Lay not the sin to their charge.
Jesus on the cross, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
When Jesus looked at the rich young ruler, the Bible says he beholding him loved him.
And so also, you know, the fruit of the Spirit is love.
So you know, if you pray for the fullness of the Holy Spirit, when you go out so many
and ask the Lord to fill you with his Holy Spirit, that should help you to be more loving
toward the lost as well.
Because that one of the biggest mistakes I see people make out soul winning when I go
as a silent partner is when they're a little bit gruff or rude or they just they just don't
seem like they genuinely care about people.
Because you know what?
That comes across and and and it could really turn people away.
Whereas true, genuine charity from your heart is also going to come across and make people
more likely to want to listen to the gospel.
So it's very important.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
Yep.
God bless you.
Thank you for the call.
Yeah.
You know, you don't want to just become an angry person because, yeah, there's so many
bad things in the world and so much negative all the time.
And, you know, I get up and preach a lot of negative sermons.
But throughout the week, I don't dwell on those things whatsoever.
Things are true whatsoever.
Things are honest whatsoever.
Things are just whatsoever.
Things are pure whatsoever.
Things are lovely if there be any virtue and if there be any praise.
Think on these things.
I think it's important that we meditate upon good and wholesome things and not just only
think about the bad things and and and just become angry, bitter people on a daily basis.
You know, there's a place for anger, but we need to be able to put off anger, not let
the sun go down on our wrath and have peace and love.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
That was a hang up.
Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Hey, I'm doing good.
Yeah, I'm calling because, you know, I tried to find time, like the time.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you.
I'm actually I live in Yakima, Washington, and I've seen that you guys are going to you
and Pastor Jimenez is going to be preaching in Washington and Vancouver.
Yep.
In a couple of weeks.
Yeah.
But I was wondering because I couldn't see the time on that.
Like what time you guys are going to be preaching on Friday?
I'm not sure.
You know, I'm assuming that the service is going to start at six or seven o'clock.
If I had to guess, I would say seven.
Are we both preaching on Friday night?
Is that is that what you heard?
Yeah.
It's online.
It says like your events and it shows and it says a special guest preacher, Pastor Anderson
and Roger, Pastor Roger Jimenez.
OK.
And so I was like excited about that because I live in, you know, there's no new I you
know, that's like closest new I.F.D. church to me.
That one.
And then there's one in Spokane that I've seen.
But yeah, it sounds great.
I mean, we'd love for you to come down.
I'll try to get more details on that.
You know, I have so much going on in my life.
I'm usually just kind of thinking about the next thing at a time.
So right now I'm more thinking about the Red Hot Preaching Conference next week in Sacramento.
But in Vancouver, I mean, you can't go wrong by showing up at six.
I'm sure if you show up at six, you're not going to miss anything.
But I'll clarify on that because it might not start until six, 30 or seven.
So I'll try to put out a video with the details on that.
But I hope to see you there.
All right.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Thanks.
All right.
Yeah.
That's going to be good.
I'm preaching in Vancouver, Washington.
It's going to be good to see everybody up there once again.
Yes.
Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Hey, Pastor Anderson.
It's Pastor Burton.
How you doing?
Hey, what's up, man?
How you doing?
Good.
I actually I have a question for you because I saw the video that you put out about the
Greek video.
Yeah.
You took a trip to Cyprus.
Yeah.
And I'm really excited about that.
And I want to say, you know, I support you.
I agree with with you where you're standing, you know, how you went there with the Reformed
Baptist pastor.
And I don't see a big deal with that at all, but I've seen some people kind of make a lot
of comments.
I thought a video you put out, I did a good job explaining that.
But I'm hoping maybe you can touch on for some of the other people who follow that still
might be a little confused about why you would go and do that.
I know I've had experiences with people that that have been called mildly Calvinist, not
these super hardcore hyper Calvinists that I believe were saved, that I was you know,
I went over the gospel with them and they're kind of sketchy on some of the finer points.
But they're still brothers in Christ.
And, you know, obviously you've got a spectrum of people, kind of like the repent of your
sins type of spectrum.
And I've just seen kind of a bad attitude from some people, I think, where they're getting
real judgmental on just being super hardcore with people they don't even know, they've
never met.
They don't know the situation really, other than just seeing the Reformed Baptist pastor.
So just hoping you could touch on that.
Yeah, sure.
You know, and that's I'm glad you brought this up, because I did want to talk more about
it.
I think it's a, you know, let me just start out by saying this.
The people who are mad about this are people that were angry and upset that I had anything
to do with this Reformed Baptist pastor that I took him on the trip that I went soloing
with them, that he's included in the documentary, I just want to say, I'm not mad at those people
because I can see where they're coming from.
You know, I understand what the concern is.
I'm totally against Calvinism.
And you know, I've had lots of conversations with these guys from the Reformed Baptist
church about the problems that I have with Calvinism, what I don't like about it, why
I think it's wrong and unbiblical and so forth, you know, so I can totally see where people
are coming from.
And I just want to make this crystal clear.
People don't have to agree with me on this.
You know, if people decide, hey, this is something that Pastor Anderson should not have done.
And we don't like it.
We don't agree with it.
We don't want anything to do with with those guys.
You know, that's their prerogative.
And I would hate to force anybody, you know, to disagree with me on this, because if people
have a different opinion, it's totally OK.
All right.
So I just want to say that right out front, that I don't expect everyone to agree with
me on this.
OK.
But that being said, you know, I have spent time with these guys.
In fact, just last night I was at or I'm sorry, night before last, I was at the Greek meetup
with these guys once again.
And while we were eating our food before we got into the Greek stuff, you know, we were
talking about doctrine, we were talking about Calvinism, we were talking about salvation.
And I don't have any doubt that these guys are saved.
They're very clear on the plan of salvation.
OK.
And correct me if I'm wrong.
You know, you went to our church for so long, Pastor Burzins.
You know, I don't think I've ever got up and said all Calvinists are unsaved.
I think what I've said is that most Calvinists are unsaved or it makes me doubt people's
salvation when they're Calvinist.
But I mean, have I ever said that all Calvinists were unsaved, Pastor Burzins?
Do you remember me ever saying that or?
No, not at all.
I think what people I think get confused about is when you preach really hard against Calvinism
because you should and you do.
But then I think sometimes they conflate where people just get really into this predestination
stuff and become real hardcore Calvinist, where they're basically kind of creating another
God.
Not all Calvinists really have that view.
I mean, there's definitely different people that I've talked to that won't really go that
far.
Well, for example, these guys, they believe that we have free will.
So they strongly believe in free will.
And to me, that's a contradiction.
I don't see how you can believe in predestination and believe in free will at the same time.
But that's what these guys believe in.
OK.
And pretty much this pastor's hero is Charles Haddon Spurgeon.
OK.
He has two shelves of Charles Haddon Spurgeon books on his shelf.
Well, guess what?
The pastor who sent me out, Pastor Steven Nichols from the church that both Pastor Jimenez
and I came out of in Sacramento, California.
You know what?
He probably quoted Charles Spurgeon like every single month.
Now, I'm not a Spurgeon fan.
I don't like Spurgeon.
I don't quote Spurgeon.
But the old IFB, they're into Spurgeon.
So my point being, you know, these guys are not these hyper Calvinistic types.
If they were, then they wouldn't be out soul winning.
OK, so the things that I hate about Calvinism are that, number one, it caused people not
to evangelize.
And that's why most Calvinists are not into evangelizing.
And number two, the other thing I hate about Calvinism is where they mix faith and works
because they try to say, well, we're not saved by works, but we're also not saved by our
faith.
You know, it's just God does everything.
And it's like they put faith and works in the same category and then they end up teaching
a workspace salvation where, you know, to make sure you're saved, you go do a bunch
of works and then, you know, you're saved because you did the works through the power
of God or something.
So, you know, there's a lot of bad teaching out there coming from Calvinists that tampers
with the gospel.
There are a lot of unsaved Calvinists.
There's no question about that.
But these guys make a very clear distinction that we are saved by faith, that we're not
saved by works.
It's all faith.
They agree with me on the repentance issue.
We've gone over the repentance issue and they agree with me on that.
You know, we both feel the same way about that issue.
But when it comes to perseverance of the saints, you know, we've talked about that
issue as well.
And you know, the false doctrine of perseverance of the saints is where people teach that if
you're truly saved, you're going to, you know, keep doing the right things.
You're going to keep going to church.
You're going to keep serving God.
And then when people fall out of church or get backslidden or go back to the world, they
just automatically say, well, there's no way that person was saved because they didn't
persevere under the end.
But from talking to these guys, it sounds more like what they believe is just that we'll
persevere in our faith in Christ.
And you know, I believe that because of the fact that if somebody two years from now,
if somebody claims to be saved today, two years from now joins the Roman Catholic Church,
then I would say they were never saved to begin with.
If somebody two years from now becomes an atheist or a Mormon, I would say they were
never saved in the first place, because I do believe that if somebody is actually saved,
they will continue in the faith.
Now that doesn't mean that they're not going to become backslidden, quit the church, get
worldly, fall into sin.
But these guys believe that it's possible for them as saved believers to fall into sin,
get backslidden and all that.
And look, I'm not, I don't want to defend these guys too much because of course I don't
agree with their Reformed theology.
I don't agree with their Calvinism, but I'm just trying to kind of show you that there's
a spectrum here.
These guys are solid on salvation.
They have different beliefs on predestination.
I'm not recommending their church.
They're not recommending my church, but, you know, we get along well enough to have done
this movie.
And frankly, I think people are just going to love the movie, even if, and I think it's
okay if people walk away saying, I don't agree with what Pastor Anderson did here, but I
think they can still enjoy the movie though.
Yeah, I kind of looked at it as, you know, there's people that will, when you, when you
don't have those conversations with people, it's easy to just say, oh, well they believe
in a Westminster Confession of Faith and just that, and kind of label them one particular
way.
And again, it's not defending everything about them.
It's just, you know, when it comes to people just being saved at least, just being a brother
in Christ, obviously you can have, I think, kind of a wide variety of beliefs, but if
you got the gospel down and it's solid and you, like you have, you've talked with them,
you've gone soloing with them, and you know, if you got the gospel down, the gospel's the
gospel, so.
Yeah, and they're not even on the Westminster Confession of Faith, they're on the London
Baptist Confession of 1689.
That's what they're on.
So.
But yeah.
But I look at it as, you know how there's some people that will, you know, you can't
judge a, oftentimes a church by its website.
Right, exactly.
You know, they'll say, oh, you gotta repent of your sins and be saved, and then people
say, oh, well, you got, you know, I'm not going to that church because it says that,
but when you actually talk to the people, they don't even really believe that.
Yeah, and you know what's funny is that when we were in Cyprus, we went to an independent
fundamental Baptist church in Cyprus, okay?
And then we went out to eat with the pastor, and we sat across from the pastor, and we're
talking to him about salvation, and he was giving us all the wrong answers, and you know,
Pastor Dane Johansen and I looked at each other, you know, me and the Reformed guy are
looking at each other like, is this guy even saved?
You know, we basically felt that this guy wasn't even saved because he was just completely
screwed up on the gospel.
And then I asked his church members if they knew for sure they were going to heaven.
I took aside a few of his church members, and you know, I asked them, how do you know
you're going to heaven?
And they said, you know, oh, you know, you live a good life, obey Jesus, do good.
I mean, they just had the total wrong gospel.
And that's an independent fundamental Baptist.
So you know, I'd rather hang around with a Reformed guy who's sola fide than to hang
around with an IFB guy who's mixing works with the gospel and totally off on salvation.
And, you know, here's the thing, you know, I did a sermon a while back called The Problem
with Protestants, and you know, I went through the five solas of the Protestant Reformation,
and I agreed with all five of them in that sermon, because all the slogans of the Protestant
Reformation are great.
And I jokingly said, you know, I'd be a Protestant if it weren't for Protestants, because if
they actually believed sola fide, then that'd be great.
I mean, if they actually believed sola scriptura, it'd be awesome.
And you know, so every once in a while, you're going to run into Protestants, you're going
to run into the Reformed crowd that actually does believe sola fide and sola scriptura.
And so, you know, like I said, I don't expect everybody to agree with me.
But, you know, I'm okay fellowshipping with these guys, although obviously our differences
are great enough to where, you know, I wouldn't put them behind the pulpit, they're not going
to put me behind their pulpit or anything like that, but you know, we can work together
on a documentary, so.
And of course, and we can have fellowship over Greek.
I didn't want to just really offend the guys, and I'm going to get off the phone so other
people get through, but you know, I appreciate you covering that, because I understand the
reason why people are concerned about that too.
And I appreciate the extra explanation.
I'm with you.
I think it's going to be great.
I'm looking forward to that documentary, especially since I don't really know any Greek.
I'm looking forward to how it turns out.
So anyways, have a good night, Pastor Anderson.
Yeah, thanks for calling in.
It's good to talk to you.
God bless you, brother.
Well, that was cool.
All right.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Hi, Pastor.
My question is, when Lazarus died, did he go to heaven?
Well, you know, that's something that I don't think we could say for sure, but it's hard
to say, really.
You know, the thing about Lazarus rising from the dead is that it's totally different from
the resurrection of Christ in the sense that Lazarus died again.
You know, he didn't he didn't get resurrected as a perfected, you know, new creature physically.
And so you could almost call the resurrection of Lazarus like a resuscitation, you know,
because he's just coming back to life, but he's going to die again, whereas the resurrection
of Christ is totally different.
So was he just asleep or did he actually when he died, did he actually go to heaven?
If I had to guess, I would say that he went to heaven and then came back, but it's kind
of hard to say for sure.
What do you think?
OK.
Yeah, I have no idea.
My second question is, what does it mean when the Bible says they went to sleep?
Well, sleep is just a euphemism for death.
And so when it talks about sleep, it talks about the body sleeping.
And so when the body sleeps, it's basically just, you know, I mean, when you're asleep
and you're dead, you're not moving.
So I guess that's what those two things have in common.
So sleep is just a euphemism for death.
OK.
That was my only question for now.
All right.
God bless you.
Have a good one.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Hi, Pastor Anderson.
I was wondering if you think all these school shootings and stuff might be the judgment
of God on a country that turned away from God and terrorist attacks and all that.
Yeah, I do.
I do think that I think any time bad things happen to a nation that's wicked, that it's
the judgment of God, you know, because if you got a bad group of people and bad things
are happening, then I say it's the judgment of God.
Now, a lot of people will say, well, what about the Book of Job?
But the difference is that Job was not a bad person.
Job was a righteous man.
And so bad things happen to righteous people.
It's not the judgment of God.
It's the testing of God.
But is there any doubt that our nation is unrighteous?
Therefore, when bad things happen, it's a punishment from God.
What do you think about that?
I agree with you.
So do you think our nation can get like a stay?
And do you think there's any hope of that?
Or do you think there's just like, it's all downhill, pray for, you know, America to get
judged by God so she can be salvaged?
You know, you know, some people can be saved in the end.
Well, I think that the judgment is inevitable.
I don't think that there's any way to stop the judgment of God from happening on this
country.
It's going to happen.
America is for sure doomed.
But I definitely think that we can put the downfall on pause.
And you see that throughout the Old Testament, where a good king will rise up and God will
put the punishment on pause.
Like in the days of Josiah, he put it on pause.
And then when Josiah is gone, he unpauses it.
And he brings the punishment that was already determined even before Josiah reigned.
So he's punishing them even for the sins of Manasseh as a nation.
But he pauses it during the righteous reign of Josiah.
So I do think that by winning a lot of souls, preaching the Word of God, reaching people,
changing lives, I think that we can actually stay the judgment of God so that we can have
more time to evangelize before everything just is, you know, destroyed.
Right.
So, you know, on that, like the judgment of God, what do you think Christians should be
doing as the, as you know, the opposition gets more militant even, it's not just like
words even, especially when it comes to the sodomites.
And things are getting very strange and people with children are getting, you know, really
freaked out.
Like they're almost in every little nook and cranny of society.
And you know, even down the street, you know, at the library, down the county road for me,
they had a, you know, their fag queen story hour and all that.
So what do you think Christians should do?
I mean, you know, should they basically just obviously, you know, preach the Word of God,
you know, tell people what it says, but besides taking your children out of school, I mean,
it's because it's almost getting, even if you try to divert your attention from it,
it's kind of like, they're, they're making their way into people's homes, you know what
I mean?
And then—
Yeah, I mean, I mean, all we can do is just keep soul winning, keep preaching hard, and
just try to shut out as much of it as you can, you know, shut out the entertainment
industry that's trying to cram this garbage down your throat, try to avoid it as much
as you possibly can, just keep fighting.
I mean, what we can't do is roll over and die, which sadly, a lot of the old IFB, it's
like, they're just ready to just roll over and die.
They think that they can actually coexist with the Sodomites, they think that Bible-believing
Christians and Sodomites can somehow coexist in a society, and it's just not gonna happen.
It doesn't work.
It never has.
...outing their churches, you know, like, banging on the door, you know, to deliver
their people unto them, because how do they—how are they not awake to it yet, or is anybody
that pretends to be not awake to it, are they just wicked false prophets?
Yeah, they're either just wicked false prophets, or they're just completely just spineless
wimps, and either way, they don't belong behind the pulpit.
If they're that wimpy, they need to just step down and let some young guy with the boldness
get up and preach what needs to be preached, if the old-timers can't do it, you know, would
to God we'd have some old-timers with the backbone to rip some face, but if they don't
want to fight the battle, then they need to just go home, you know?
It's lead, follow, or get out of the way.
So, hey, God bless you, thanks for the call.
Godspeed.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
Yes, Lord.
How are you doing?
I have a question for you.
This is your view on remarriage.
Do you mean after divorce?
Yes, sir.
Me and my ex-husband, we got divorced in 2013, and we just got remarried two weeks ago.
Well were either of you married to anyone else in between?
He was after he divorced me.
Yeah, because here's the thing, if people get divorced, and then later they're able
to reconcile and get remarried to each other, I think that's the best possible scenario.
However, if either of you were married to someone else in between, then it's actually
wrong.
But at this point, you've already done it, so it is what it is, because, you know, you're
married, so you need to just stick with that.
But technically that is wrong, so.
But what can you do, except just stay married to the one you're married to right now?
Can't change the past.
Okay.
Okay, well, thank you.
God bless you.
God bless you, have a good one.
Yeah, the Bible's clear, I believe it's Deuteronomy 24, Jeremiah chapter 3, you know, there are
a few different places where the Bible makes it clear that, you know, once you get divorced
and marry someone else, you can't go back to the original spouse.
Hey, Pastor Anderson.
Yes.
May we bring in some comments from the chat?
There was some discussion where somebody was talking about why Baptists don't refer to
themselves as Protestant, since we're not Orthodox or Catholic, why are we not acknowledging
that we're Protestant?
Well, simply because the Protestants are people who, you know, wanted to remain in the church
and just reform the church, you know, they're called reformed, because they're reforming
the church, the Catholic Church, in fact, many Protestants will even call themselves
Catholic or Protestant Catholics, you know, I've talked to Dutch reform people that said
that they are Catholics, okay.
And even Martin Luther said, you know, I didn't leave the church, the church left me.
So he's staying in that universal church, he's just reforming it.
And so the Reformation, the Protestants, they kept a lot of the same stuff from Roman Catholicism.
We as Baptists are just outside of that system.
We always have been outside of that system, we always will be outside of that system.
So we're not like a Protestant breaking off from the Roman Catholic Church, we're just
a whole separate stream of believers.
All right, so we've got like, plenty of these voicemails, if you're down to hear some of
those.
Sure.
Since you and Pastor Burzins were talking about Calvinism and predestination, that kind
of stuff, there's some, somebody wants to stump you with a couple questions about some
Bible verses.
So let's see if, if you have answers here for this.
You know, John 10 26 says, as Christ is talking to the Pharisees, actually, I read 25, 26
and 27.
Jesus answered them, I told you, you believe not the works that I do in my Father's name,
they bear witness for me.
But you believe not because you're not on my sheep, as I said unto you, my sheep, you're
my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
So I'm curious as to your Armenian views and your denial of Scripture, you teach a freewheel
works-based salvation, and you deny the truth of God here that says that these people believe
not because they are not of Christ's sheep.
Not that they're the way around, not that they're not of Christ's sheep because they
don't believe.
So I want to hear you defend that, and I want to hear you take on John 6, where we are clearly
taught that only the ones that are given to the Son by the Father will come to Christ
and believe.
Thank you.
Well, let me just start out by saying that I am not an Armenian.
In fact, if I had to choose between being Calvinist and Armenian, I would choose to
be Calvinist because Armenianism is a worse heresy than Calvinism.
Armenianism teaches works for salvation and teaches that you can lose your salvation.
I do not believe that you can lose your salvation, and I do not believe in works for salvation.
Now, some Calvinists will try to say that because we believe that you decide to believe
on Christ, that that somehow works, okay?
Well, let me put it to you this way.
What if the government is offering free welfare checks down at their government office and
somebody makes the decision to show up and say, hey, I'd like one of those welfare checks.
Would you please give me one of those welfare checks?
Only a fool would say that they worked for that welfare check.
Would anybody really say, yeah, they earned it.
They worked for it.
That's stupid because deciding something or just asking for a free gift is not working
for it.
The Bible says, if thou knew is the gift of God, you would have asked him and he would
have given the living water.
So the fact that you have to ask for something does not stop it from being a gift, okay?
So asking for something or believing in something or deciding to put your faith and trust in
something is not works.
That's ridiculous, okay?
In the real world, that would never be considered working for something, okay?
So we do have to believe in Christ.
The Bible says we're saved by faith, not by works.
So we do have to believe.
We don't have to do any works.
So that's a straw man that he's putting out there by calling me Arminian and saying that
I believe in works.
That's garbage.
As far as this scripture, he is the one who is in error here.
When Jesus says here that they do not believe because they are not of his sheep, what you
have to understand is that before Jesus Christ even started his ministry, people were already
saved, okay?
So when Jesus came on the scene, it's not like everybody in the world is unsaved.
There were a lot of people who were already saved under the old covenant.
There were believers, there were saints that already existed.
Those were the sheep.
So when Jesus Christ came on the scene, everyone who was already saved believed on him.
And anybody who didn't believe on him was obviously not one of his sheep.
They were not saved because the Bible says he that is of God heareth God's words, ye
therefore hear them not because you're not of God.
And so the sheep being referred to here are the people that were already saved when Jesus
came on the scene.
And so they heard the voice of their shepherd.
All that came before him were thieves and liars and robbers.
And guess what?
The sheep didn't hear them.
So truly saved people did not follow the false messiahs that came before Jesus.
But when Jesus came on the scene, they received him because they were the sheep and they received
the shepherd.
Now, obviously, John the Baptist, Jesus and the apostles, they also got people saved.
You know, people that were unsaved when they came on the scene and they got them saved.
But come on, do you actually expect me to believe that no one was saved before John
the Baptist or no one was saved before Jesus?
That's ridiculous.
There were many saints and believers in the Lord.
They were the sheep.
And when Jesus came, they believed in him.
And if anybody rejected Jesus, that just proves that they weren't saved.
Because he that is of God heareth God's words, ye therefore hear them not because you're
not of God.
And then in John the Baptist says, no man can come unto me except the Father draw him.
Well, what he's forgetting is the scripture also in the book of John that says, and I,
if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
So of course, we have to be drawn to be saved.
But the Bible says that if Christ be lifted up, he'll draw all men unto him.
So though, you know, give me give me something hard, give me a challenge, because neither
of those were challenging.
Okay, well, maybe this will be.
So I had a question about what age should Christian parents start talking to their kids
about sex, because I've read a lot of blogs that say that it should start very soon.
But those are also non Christian blogs.
So I just wanted to hear your opinion.
Thank you.
Yes, I don't believe that you should talk to your children about that until the time
when they reach puberty.
You know, that's when they are physically coming to that point in their life where they're
going to start having those thoughts and feelings.
And so at that point, you would talk to them about those type of issues, talking to young
children that are not yet to puberty and going into detail on those type of subjects is totally
wrong.
And this is what the public school system is doing with their sex education classes
for kindergartners, first graders, second graders, they're sexualizing children because
they're a bunch of filthy pedophiles.
And so they want to sexualize children and pervert their minds because they're wicked.
So we want our children to remain innocent.
There's no reason for them to know about those things until they reach puberty and start
having those feelings and those emotions and their body starts going through those changes.
So that's the time that I speak to my children about these issues is when they reach that
Now, obviously, you can teach a young child principles just about fornication or adultery,
you know, just teaching them what those words mean, but not going into any kind of a detail.
They don't need to know anything about sex until they are at the age of puberty.
So you can hear.
OK, so I want to play a clip for you here.
You talked about it on Wednesday night.
Was it Wednesday night?
Yep.
Yes.
All right.
So I don't know if you know what clip this is going to be.
We're going to play it first and let it speak for itself.
Here in Knoxville, Tennessee, you have a deputy sheriff.
I guess he's no longer a deputy sheriff.
And he got up in his pulpit and he says that that homosexual sodomite should be executed,
should be killed.
Am I misrepresenting him?
No.
And of course, when he said that.
He's a deputy sheriff, pastor of a church, but he's a deputy sheriff.
So therefore he represents the sheriff and he represents the city of Knoxville and all
that.
And they came right down on him.
They came down on him and rightfully so.
I've always said about homosexuals, you're welcome at Temple Baptist Church.
You're welcome.
Amen.
We'll roll out the red carpet for you.
So aren't you afraid preacher?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Not with that book.
Paul said in such words, some of you, I'm not afraid of a thing.
They're welcome.
Don't you, don't you believe the word of God has power?
The word of God can penetrate to the soul.
Of course it can.
They need help.
We all need help.
We don't threaten people's lives.
We didn't come to kill people.
We came to get them saved, have relationship with the Lord.
But anyway, he's a clone of that nut ball out there in what's Arizona, Arizona.
And I mean, that's a real nut job out there.
And he's a clone.
He's a clone.
And that's sad because he needs to really study his Bible.
He doesn't know it as well as near as well as he thinks he does.
But anyway, they were going to have a meeting at Cracker Barrel, the 29th of June.
I just read this a few minutes ago.
They were going to have, his church is going to have a meeting at the Cracker Barrel, the
29th of June.
The Cracker Barrel said, you're not coming in here.
Yeah, shut them down, said, you're not, you can have your meeting, but you're not going
to have it here at the Cracker Barrel.
So what's the point?
The point is that as an American citizen, you should be willing to give the rights and
freedoms to anyone in this country, regardless of their race, their religion, their ethnicity,
how much money they've got in the bank.
On a secular scale, in a secular sense, as a citizen of this nation, we have to live
like that or we're not going to be able to live at all.
And I expect the same thing from them.
They should respect our right to meet peacefully, preach the word of God, and worship the Lord
in freedom and peace, right?
Absolutely.
Absolutely right, Pastor, isn't that what we agree with, right?
What in the world?
That's sarcasm.
What do you really think?
Well, I mean, I mean, it's just surreal to hear that from an independent, fundamental
Baptist pastor.
And it's like you can just hear the fear in his voice, like, you know, this is how we
got to live or we're not going to be able to live at all.
And you know, it's like he's just backing down and kowtowing.
And I'll tell you exactly why.
It's because he sees what Grace and Fritz is going through.
Pastor Grace and Fritz at All Scripture Baptist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, has been under
fire.
I mean, he got in big trouble and he's all over the news.
I mean, it was like a global news story.
I mean, everybody was talking, even in Phoenix, everybody was talking about it.
Just people on the street are talking about it.
It was a huge news story.
And so this Charles Lawson doesn't want that kind of persecution.
So he's just going to count.
I mean, to roll out the red carpet for sodomites is just bizarre.
I mean, how can you get up and does anybody actually for one second think that he was
filled with the Holy Ghost when he made that statement?
And doesn't the Bible tell us to be filled with the Spirit?
Do you think that he was Spirit-filled when he said, hey, let's roll out the red carpet
for the sodomites?
No way.
That's garbage.
It's ridiculous.
OK.
And even if he rejects the reprobate doctrine, which he obviously does, and says, oh, these
people could get saved.
Well, OK, let's just give him that for a second.
Well, what about murderers?
Can murderers get saved?
But I wonder what he thinks about people who commit first degree murder.
I guess we should just let them go.
Because they can be saved, right?
What about rapists, kidnappers, pedophiles?
Does this guy just not even believe in the death penalty for anything whatsoever?
What kind of nonsense is that?
Oh, the Bible says that we should get him saved.
OK.
You know, I believe that there are reprobates and it's too late for them.
But even if you believe that, that's not relevant to what Pastor Grayson Fritz was preaching
when he clearly preached what Leviticus 2013 unequivocally said.
OK.
It's a separate issue.
It's a different issue.
Was it 2015?
He had something else to say, so I want to play that clip here.
In the book of Leviticus, chapter number 18, verse number 22, there is no mistaking this
scripture is as clear as it can possibly be.
In Leviticus 18, verse 22, thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind from the
mouth of God himself.
It is an abomination.
In Leviticus chapter number 20, and verse number 13, if a man also lie with mankind
as he lieth with a woman, both of them committed an abomination.
They shall surely be put to death.
Their blood shall be upon them.
But it's said all sin is sin that don't kill you for all sin.
Every sin in the Bible doesn't carry the death penalty.
Every sin in the Bible is not rated the same.
But the sin of homosexuality, of solemnity, however you want to classify it, hid the word
of God.
It is an abomination of sin worthy unto death.
That's the Old Testament.
Look what the apostle says in Romans chapter number one.
In the book of Romans chapter number one, verse number 27, the apostle Paul writing
to the church at Rome, which was, as you can read what some of the historians have
to say, some of the most wicked, vile, godless perversion reprobate took place in Rome and
blow your mind.
And so when the apostle writes them, he says this in verse 27, likewise also the man leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working
that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was made.
Does anybody this morning have any trouble understanding that?
I mean folks you're going to have a ten year old kid can understand what's going on here.
This is not talking about a temple prostitute.
This is not talking about some spin that you put on some theological dictate or treatise.
This is as clear and simple as it can be.
When a man is with a man, it's an abomination.
When a woman is with a woman, it's an abomination.
I didn't write that.
Listen, the controversy is not with me.
I'm nothing!
I'm here today, I'm gone tomorrow.
The controversy is with the Word of God.
And when the tyrant tries to stamp out the Word of God, he only spreads it.
That's some good preaching, wouldn't you say, Pastor?
I mean it's hard to believe that that's even the same person talking.
It's bizarre that that was only four years ago that he's saying the exact opposite.
But you know what?
He's not alone, because if you go back to the 1990s, all of the old IFB was preaching
that way, and no one would have even batted an eye at Leviticus 2013 being preached back
in the 90s.
But what's crazy is that he preached that as recently as 2015.
But I guess now with the media going after Pastor Grayson Fritz, now he's got his tail
between his legs, and he's like a coward retreating and saying,
Oh yeah, this is what I've always said.
I've always said to the homos that they're welcome at Temple Baptist Church.
You know, roll out the red carpet for them.
I also thought it was weird how he said, you know, they need help!
We all need help!
It's funny how he identified with them so closely.
They need help.
And then his first thought was, we need help.
Yeah, you do need help, buddy, because you're a weirdo too.
So bringing these dangerous predators into churches is a terrible idea.
Okay, that's what they are.
They are predators.
They're not reproducers.
They're recruiters.
And you know, pastors who want to bring these predators into their churches are wicked.
And you know, there's no godly motive for it.
It makes no sense.
And they hide behind this thing of, oh, we just want to evangelize them.
But yet you don't see these churches being strong on evangelism.
I wonder who's knocking more doors in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Charles Lawson's church or Grayson Fritz church?
We both know the answer to that question, that Pastor Grayson Fritz church, the one
that's doing the ton of soul winning, knocking the doors, preaching the gospel.
So who cares about lost souls?
You know, James White, when he was attacking the Reformed Baptists that are in the church,
that the pastor went with me to Cyprus, and we went so on.
He basically said, you know, how can you evangelize with Steven Anderson when he doesn't believe
that homos can be saved?
I mean, you know, I wonder if they ran into any homos in Cyprus.
Well, here's the truth of the matter.
We went soul winning in Cyprus for a week and a half.
We didn't run into a single homo that we know of.
I don't even think I even saw a homo the whole time I was in Cyprus, at least not knowingly.
So you know, newsflash, everybody out there, 99% of people aren't homos.
So you know, we're going out and spending hours and hours and having hundreds of people
out knocking the doors of people, winning them to Christ.
And then they want to somehow turn it around that we don't have compassion while they want
to whine and be compassionate about sodomites, and they don't even witness to anybody.
I mean, I've probably accidentally given the gospel to more sodomites than Lawson has
done on purpose.
And Lawson's not even saved.
Let me just say that right now.
You know, there are plenty of videos where he shows that he's a false teacher.
I'm trying to remember the name of a video that I just watched last night that somebody
sent me.
It had something like Charles Lawson believing is not enough or something like that.
It had like hyper dispensational in the name or something.
I mean, he taught just crazy doctrine.
And then he made just these ridiculous statements.
Like he said that Mark 16, 16, when it says whosoever believeth in his baptized shall
be saved.
He said, oh, that I believe that that's talking to the Jewish believers, you know, and it's
for the Jews.
That doesn't even make sense.
Part of it.
It's the great commission.
He just said in verse 15, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
And then a dispensationalist says, oh, that's the Jews.
When he says every creature in the whole world there, he actually means the Jews.
And what about the parallel passage when he says, go ye therefore and teach all nations.
Oh, according to Lawson, that's talking to the Jews.
And then Lawson said that the gospel of grace had not yet been revealed in Mark 16 because
only the apostle Paul revealed that, you know, he's one of these people that thinks that
Jesus had a different plan of salvation than Paul, a different gospel than Paul.
Well, you know, be accursed, Charles Lawson, because there only is one gospel, one plan
of salvation.
Everyone who's ever been saved from Abraham to David to the New Testament saints has been
saved by faith alone and not by works.
But he teaches a workspace salvation in the Old Testament.
And then he says, even now, you know, you can believe that Jesus is the son of God and
you can believe everything about the gospel, but that's not enough to save you, he says.
And so, you know, this guy teaches all kinds of lies and heresy and false doctrine.
And so it's no wonder that he backed down, because he's not interested in the truth about
the gospel, just like he's not interested in the truth about sodomites.
You want to go to a call, Pastor?
Anybody calling in?
Yeah, let's do it.
I'm glad I got that off my chest about Lawson.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Hi, I'm good.
I have two questions, hopefully they can be really short.
The first one is Nehemiah 2.13, there's a, it says dragon well in there in that verse,
and I was just wondering, what's your idea of a dragon well?
Well, the wells and the gates and the portals of the city of Jerusalem were named after
animals, like you'll have the sheep gate and the fish gate and the dragon well, so they're
basically just naming these landmarks after animals.
So the well didn't really have anything to do necessarily with dragons, it's just named
that.
Okay, okay.
And I think when the Bible talks about dragons, it's probably talking about something like
a Komodo dragon or a Gila monster or some kind of a lizard, you know, it's not talking
about what you might think of as a dragon all the time, sometimes it's just an animal.
Right, but there are times like Leviathan where it's talking about something more—
Right, more like what we would think of as traditionally a dragon, or like Satan as a
dragon, it's more like what we think of as a dragon.
So I think the Bible uses the word both ways.
Okay, and then my second question is Isaiah 11 13, and I was just wondering if Ephraim
and Judah are symbolic for something there.
Okay, Isaiah 11 13.
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off.
Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim, but they shall fly upon the
shoulders of the Philistines toward the west.
I think what's going on in this passage, and you know, just off the cuff, this is talking
about the millennium earlier on, it talks about, you know, the lion eating straw like
an ox and the sucking child playing on the whole of the asp, and it talks about, you
know, Jesus Christ ruling and reigning.
And so I think what the Bible's talking about here is that the kingdom is going to be united
because Ephraim represents the northern kingdom of Israel, Judah represents the southern kingdom
of Judah, and what it's talking about is a united kingdom, because ever since the days
of Solomon, Judah and Israel, or Ephraim, had not been united.
But in the millennial reign of Christ, the 12 tribes will all be united and be a nation
once again.
So that's what's being referred to there in verse 13.
Wow, okay, thank you so much.
Yep, God bless you, thanks for the call.
Yeah, Ephraim, because Ephraim is the biggest tribe in the northern kingdom, sometimes it's
just used to refer to the northern kingdom of Israel.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Yeah, Ephraim, because Ephraim is the biggest tribe.
Hi, hi, Pastor Anderson.
Hey, how you doing, what's your question?
My question is in 1 Timothy 3, the Bible says that the bishop must be the husband of one
wife.
So in a scenario where a bishop, ordained bishop, the right way, everything, and his
wife happens to die, unfortunately, what happens in that scenario?
Like, should he step down, and in the meantime, or should he get married, if he's to get married
in that while, before he gets married, should he step down, or can he still be the pastor?
And if he gets married, is he still allowed to be the pastor?
Would you say he's now the husband of two wives?
I believe that if a pastor's wife dies while he's the pastor, that he should get remarried.
Obviously he's not going to get remarried the next day or something, you know, obviously
there's going to be a grieving process, and obviously it's going to take time to find
a suitable wife for him going forward, but I do believe that he should definitely get
remarried.
And if he's not going to get remarried, if he decides that he doesn't want to get remarried,
then he should step down.
But if he's planning on eventually getting remarried, and he eventually does get remarried,
then I think he should just remain pastoring all along.
The only exception to that would be if he's a very old man.
You know, if the pastor is very old, like let's say he's in his 70s or 80s or something,
and his wife died, I think he could still continue to pastor without getting remarried.
And the reason that I say this is because I don't think that the pastor being single
is a good scenario.
I think there are just a lot of pitfalls with that, there could be a lot of temptations
with that, and, you know, the Bible says it's not good for the man to be alone.
And so I think that a younger pastor, meaning, you know, for sure under 60 years old, maybe
even under 70 years old, should for sure eventually get remarried.
But if he gets remarried after his wife dies, he's not the husband of two wives, because
the other wife is dead.
So, you know, he's only married to one living person.
When our spouse dies, we're supposed to get remarried, you know, the Bible tells women
that are under 60 years old, who lose their husband that they should definitely get remarried.
Okay, um, all right, um, yeah, that pretty much clears it up, I just wanted to find out
what you believe about.
Yep, all right, yep, thanks, have a good one.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Pretty good, pretty good.
Um, I just, I've been wondering, like, is there anything in the Bible that expounds
on why God doesn't speak to us in our era in the New Testament, compared to how He always
directly spoke to the children of Israel in the Old Testament era?
Yeah, I think that a great illustration is sort of like the manna, you know, God miraculously
provided manna in the wilderness, but then once they got into the Promised Land, the
manna stopped, because they were able to just eat by natural means, they were able to reap
the harvest, plant crops, do the work, and so we don't need that extra revelation, because
we have the written Word of God, which is better than relying upon, you know, God speaking
by the prophets like He did in time past.
You know, the Bible says in Hebrews 1-1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto
us by His Son.
And it's better to have the written Word of God than to just rely on, you know, prophecies
that are coming directly from God.
And here's another good scripture on this, 1 Corinthians 13-9, it says, For we know in
part, and we prophesy in part, but when that which is perfect is come, then that which
is in part shall be done away.
And I think that that which is perfect is the book here in front of me, Genesis to Revelation,
the Bible, the Word of God, and so that which is in part is done away, which is just kind
of getting these small pieces of God's Word being delivered orally by the prophets.
Okay, that makes sense.
All right, thank you.
Yep, bye.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Hello?
Hi, how you doing?
I'm doing very well, I was just wondering, I'm relatively young, I'm a teenager, I was
just wondering what is your, I have some Mormons in my family, I was wondering what is the
best way to address the Mormon's claim about, like, the Book of Mormon and all that?
Well, you know, Mormons are one of the hardest people to reach, and I hesitate to give you
an answer because I haven't been very successful at reaching Mormons, so you'd probably be
better off asking someone who's been more successful at reaching Mormons.
Okay, thank you.
Yep, no problem.
Yeah, man, that's the million dollar question, how do you get the Mormon saved?
Well, you know, I'd love to know the answer to that myself.
I've won some Mormons to the Lord over the years, but usually they've just been Jack Mormons.
I've only won two devout Mormons to the Lord in my entire life, and they were both people that
had converted to Mormonism in adulthood, so I've never won a lifelong Mormon to the Lord.
But, you know, we were just out soul winning yesterday, and Brother Dustin, who's working the
sound booth right now for the show, he actually won a Mormon teenager to the Lord, but I'm
not sure how deep into Mormonism she was.
And when we go on the Indian reservation, we get Mormons saved because they are not
as into it.
But man, the ones that are really into it, they are super hard to get saved.
And you know, I mean, as far as how to address their claims about the Book of Mormon, you
know, I mean, obviously the verses that come to mind are Galatians chapter one, though
we are an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which you have received,
let him be accursed.
And they're claiming that the angel Moroni brought this other gospel, this other testament
of Jesus Christ.
And frankly, the Book of Mormon and the teachings of the Mormon Church contradict the Bible.
When we were out door knocking yesterday, we ran into a few Mormons, and they all gave
us the same answer, including the one that got saved.
When we first got there, every Mormon that we asked, how do you know you're going to
get to heaven or what do you believe a person has to do to get to heaven?
They said, be good.
That's what every Mormon told us yesterday.
And I've been out so many for years and heard the same thing over and over again.
Be a good person.
Folks, that's not the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is that you're a bad person, but Jesus loves you anyway.
He died for you.
He was buried.
He rose again.
And if you believe on him, you'll be saved.
That's the gospel.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Hey, Pastor Anderson.
I'm doing good.
I just have one question, and I don't mean to feed it at first, but I was kind of dealt
with Calvinism on my own, and your preaching has led me out of that.
And I know that you said that it's dangerous and it's safe, and you talked to them, and
I've talked to many Calvinists, but I believe they're safe.
But you know, I checked out the church's statement of faith, and it says explicitly that dead
faith is not saving faith, and I was just kind of hoping that you might be able to address
that same belief, you know, related to that.
Thank you, though.
Well, you know, I'm not going to defend that church website.
I'm not going to defend that statement of faith because, you know, it doesn't reflect
my beliefs at all.
But you know, I've talked to Pastor Johansen about faith and regard to works and everything,
and I'm convinced that he's saved and that he's trusting faith alone and that he has
no trust in works and that he doesn't believe that people have to do works in order to be
saved or anything like that.
So I mean, that's all I can tell you.
I've talked to him about it at length, and you know, I'm not going to sit here and defend
Calvinism or defend Calvinist preachers or defend, you know, Calvinist statements that
are wrong statements.
I don't like Calvinism.
You know, I've been fighting Calvinism my whole life, okay?
I don't like it.
I don't believe in it, okay?
So you say, well, you know, why would you even work with this guy?
You know, because of the fact that this guy had the knowledge about Greek and he had the
aptitude to work with me on this film.
And so that's why I included him, you know, and he comes to my Greek meetup.
And I'm glad he does come to my Greek meetup because, you know, we've taught each other
a lot of Greek.
We've had great fellowship, and, you know, frankly, it's hard to find people that actually
are learning New Testament Greek or actually know a lot of Greek or read the New Testament
Greek.
It's not like there are just throngs of people showing up to this meetup group.
It's a pretty small group, folks, and you'd be hard pressed to find independent fundamental
Baptists who are interested in learning Greek.
So therefore, because we have that common interest, then that's why we're friends, because
we study Greek.
So that's that's really what has brought us together.
So again, like I said, I don't expect everybody to agree with this.
And if people disagree, it's totally fine and keep on being against Calvinism, because
I know I'm going to keep being against Calvinism.
But you know, I do believe that people can be saved and still disagree on things.
And so anyway.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
Hey, Pastor.
I'm just wondering, like, I go to high school and I did a project on fascism.
I'm just wondering why the Catholic Church is always—why Catholicism tends to autocracy
and dictatorship.
Well, I think it's just that the whole hierarchy of the Catholic Church is based on power and
all the way back to the beginnings of the Catholic Church, if you want to think about
it as beginning in 313 A.D. with Constantine the Great, you know, it always had to do with
political power and consolidating power, because before Constantine, the Roman Empire was divided
into four parts.
There were four different rulers, and Constantine wanted to consolidate that power in himself.
He wanted to rule the entire empire, and he used Christianity as a means to that end.
So all throughout history, the Catholic Church has always been a power player, a political
player, and you've got the Holy Roman Empire, and you've got the Pope crowning different
kings throughout history and so forth.
So it's just part of the Catholic philosophy is this idea of Christendom and this idea
of, you know, Christian kingdoms and Christian rulers and taking over countries and consolidating
power.
So, you know, it's going to be perfect for the New World Order and the one-world system,
because they've always been into consolidating earthly power into one universal church and
even government.
And how come, like, even in the modern day, like, you look at Mexico, you look at Russia,
they have, like, access to the Bible, they can read the Bible.
Even though they can read the Bible, how come they still, you know, like, there's priests
that teach the gospel, how come they still can't get away from that?
And also I have a question, like, someone was telling me that if America was to become
a Christian nation, it would have to be done through a monarch who would use his authority
to make, you know, bring Christianity forth into the public system.
Is that true?
Do you agree with that?
Yeah, I mean, they're probably right, but that doesn't mean that that would be the right
thing to do.
You know, I don't think that we should have, like, a top-down Christianity where the government's
legislating, you know, okay, everybody, we're all converting to Christ here, and, you know,
the Catholic Church, that's how they've operated throughout history, but that's not—here's
the problem with that.
The problem with making everybody be Christian is that you're bringing a bunch of unbelievers
into the church.
You're bringing in a bunch of pagans into the church.
That's what Roman Catholicism did.
They brought in heathen unbelievers into the church, and you corrupt the church.
The church is supposed to be filled with born-again baptized believers, and when it comes to Mexico
being Catholic or Russia being Orthodox or even, you know, atheistic or whatever, this
has to do with the fact that the Bible is not enough, just having the Bible, because
the Bible has to be preached, okay?
Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
And it's just like the eunuch, he could read the Bible all day, but he didn't get saved
until Philip preaches unto him Jesus.
He said, how can I, except some man, should guide me?
And so Mexico does not have enough preaching of the gospel going on, Russia does not have
enough preaching of the gospel going on.
We need spirit-filled missionaries to go to Russia and to go to Mexico and win people
to Christ.
In the Bible, in the previous times, the Bible has a bunch of dictators and monarchs within
the Old Testament.
Do you think that's the case, to make that a limited government is worse than maybe a
monarchy?
A monarchy is the best system?
No, I don't think that monarchy is the best system.
Monarchy was not even God's original plan.
I mean, God, you know, God actually rebuked them when they wanted to have a king, because
the system that he set up was a very minimal government under the judges.
And yes, you do see monarchs that are dictating the worship of the Lord, but they're only
dictating it just for the nation of Israel, not for the other nations around them.
And so that's the Old Testament, this is the New Testament.
So here we are, we're in the New Testament.
We Christians are the spiritual Israel, and we're surrounded by heathens.
So you know, you can't just take that model of the nation of Israel and apply that to
the United States and say that, you know, we're going to dictate everyone to worship
the Lord.
So anyway, I hope that answers your question.
God bless you.
Have a great day.
Thank you so much.
Maybe this would lead into our voicemail message from earlier.
I will play that for you now, Pastor.
Experience these encounters like you had with the Border Patrol, and how they violated your
rights and everything like that.
Is it something that would be wise to, as a victim of that, to pursue complaints and
get a lawyer and go through all this stuff?
Just to, you know, fulfill, you know, my, my, my, I can't think of the word right now,
but just to kind of, you know, they, they transferred on my rights, the illegal detainment,
all these different things, the illegal search, the illegal seizure that I did not consent
to, you know, when these men do this, is it okay to kind of go back and do what's within
the law and what I can do as a citizen?
Or should I just not even focus on that and continue to stay reading my Bible and listening
to you and listening to others and eventually get on the soul winning and things like that?
You know, is that more important?
Should I just, you know, kind of just say, oh, well, you know, it is what it is, you
know, it's going to happen, I can't win, blah, blah, blah, and then just kind of brush it
off?
Or should it be something that's addressed in hopes of being able to wake people up to
let them know that, hey, you have rights and you need to know them so that you're not abused
by these power control freaks?
And that's pretty much it.
Thanks and God bless.
I think that either one of those options is okay.
I think that it can be appropriate to fight back when the government's getting out of
control and stand up for our rights as Americans.
I do think that that's important that we do flex our rights and use our rights so that
we don't lose them.
And it can be a great work to wake people up to the fact that the government's getting
out of control and to fight these court battles and so forth.
So on one hand, I think that that can be profitable.
But on the other hand, I think that it can also become a distraction from the spiritual
battle, which is more important.
So I do think there's a place for political action standing up for our rights.
But sadly, it kind of is a losing battle.
But again, I still think that it's worth it in many cases to stand up for our rights.
But it's kind of a hard question to answer because there definitely are more important
things to do, you know.
And I fought my political battle back in 2009 and I went to court and I won in court and
that was exciting.
And, you know, I think God used that to help a lot of people find out about my preaching.
And, you know, I was able to at least wake people up a little bit, get the message out
about freedom and liberty and what our country is supposed to be.
And, you know, we're still fighting for freedom on the issue of soul winning, you know, where
the police are being called out and we have to stand up for our rights in regard to soul
winning.
But at the end of the day, you just don't want to get so sucked into that, though, to
where it takes away from winning souls and serving God, because the spiritual battle
is far more important than any political battle.
So I'm not against fighting the political battle on the right side, but we just don't
want that to become more important to us than the spiritual battle, because this world's
going to pass away.
So.
All right.
Here's another voicemail.
Esther Anderson.
I'm just calling to see what you thought about people who refuse medical treatment and puts
that in the hands of God.
What do you think about people who don't go to the doctor, don't use medicine?
And they say they're going to put it in God's hands.
Thank you for your question.
I actually don't agree with that, because, you know, the Bible says they that excuse
me, the Bible says they that are whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
So they that are sick do need a physician.
And so God gives us physicians, God gives us human means to solve our problems.
We can't just sit back and not do anything and just say, well, I'm going to leave this
in God's hands.
You know, what if I just chop my finger open and my fingers gushing blood and I just say,
well, I'm just going to leave this in God's hands.
I mean, obviously, that'd be ridiculous.
You need to sew the thing up.
And so that's what going to the doctor is.
You know, you're sewing up whatever the wound or fixing whatever the issue.
Now, obviously, there were people in the Bible like I believe it was King Asa who was rebuked
for seeking the physicians and not seeking after God to heal them.
I do think that we should always first pray and ask for the Lord's help before we just
run to the doctor.
But I think it would be very foolish to just reject medical care when you need it, because
God has given us wisdom and he's given us medicines and means of healing the body.
And so if you chop yourself open, go sew it up.
Just sit there and bleed out and say God's going to take care of it.
That's silly.
Pastor, question from the chat.
Are you going to continue your series on the Old Testament commandments?
Boy, that man, they're bringing that up from a long time ago, but, you know, I may continue
it at some point, but to be honest with you, I preached it for a while and I know there
are some people that are just dying for me to finish that series.
But I think the feeling from most people was that it wasn't that great of a series.
So I don't think most people were that into that series.
I don't think it was the best series ever.
So I'm not sure if I'm ever going to go back to it.
The one that I really need to finish, though, is the Jesus in the Book of series.
And yes, I'm for sure going to finish that one.
I'm on Jesus in the Book of Second Kings now.
And so I'm going slowly through that.
But I am going to take that all the way to Malachi.
But the commandments in Exodus and Leviticus, don't hold your breath.
It might not be coming back.
All right, here's another voicemail question I'll play for you here.
Hi, Pastor Anderson.
I was just wondering, referring to Leviticus 19.27, can men shave or trim their beard?
It may sound kind of silly, but I was just wondering if there were any Bible verses that
you could bring to light about this subject.
All right, thank you.
All right.
So Leviticus 19.27, you shall not round the corners of your head, neither shalt thou mar
the corners of thy beard.
It's pretty hard to read that verse and walk away thinking, I can't shave.
That's not what that says.
This Bible verse could have very easily said, Thou shalt not shave thy beard.
Okay, it's not like God's not capable of just telling us what he means.
But that's not what this verse says.
The Bible here says you should not round the corners of your head, nor mar the corners
of your beard.
Now, marring something is when you put a dent in something, take a chunk out of something,
damage something.
So I believe what the Bible is prohibiting here is strange haircuts and strange beards.
Okay, just doing weird cuttings or carvings into your beard or into your hair.
I think that's what the Bible is talking about here.
And so to turn this into not shaving, that's not what the text says.
There are many men that can't even grow a beard or they just grow these little sparse
patches.
I mean, are they just supposed to walk around with all those little patches?
I mean, if they can't grow a full beard, then shaving is the only thing that makes sense.
Okay.
So I think it's perfectly okay to be clean shaven, or to have a full beard like I have.
But what I think is wrong is having a strange beard, you know, carving out strange beards
and strange haircuts.
I think you just have a normal beard and a normal haircut.
Is anybody calling in right now?
We can maybe take a call off the phone.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
How you doing?
Pastor Anderson, I'm doing good.
My pastor a couple of weeks ago, or a few weeks ago, preached a sermon on the Ishmaelites
being the Arabs, you know, like being the Muslims.
And I've been studying on, you know, I've been reading a lot, like very much the first
nine chapters of First Chronicles, and other genealogy, and I just don't see it.
I see basically that Ishmael had 12 sons.
I see that God blessed Ishmael.
And I see that, you know, that Esau married some of the daughters of Ishmael, but I don't
really see any other genealogies talked about in the Bible unless I'm somehow missing.
Yeah, the problem with that interpretation is that he is taking a carnal interpretation
that is not found in the New Testament, because we don't have to sit around wondering who
Ishmael is, because the Bible clearly tells us in Galatians chapter 4 who Ishmael is in
God's eyes.
It says in verse 22, for it is written that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid,
that's Hagar, and the other by a free woman.
Of course, those two sons are Ishmael and Isaac.
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, that's Ishmael.
But he of the free woman was by promise, which things are an allegory, for these are the
two covenants.
The one from the Mount Sinai, which gender to bondage, which is Hagar, for this Hagar
is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and answer it to Jerusalem, which now is, and is in bondage
with her children.
But Jerusalem, which is above, is free, which is the mother of us all.
So, according to the Bible, Isaac is referring to the heavenly Jerusalem, Christians, those
who believe in Jesus Christ, we're Isaac.
The Bible says in verse 31, so then brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but
of the free.
We're not Ishmael, we're Isaac.
So, Galatians chapter 4 makes it crystal clear that the Jews are Ishmael, Jerusalem, which
now is, and is in bondage with their children.
Jerusalem is Ishmael, Mount Sinai is Ishmael, the Old Testament is the covenant that has
a symbol of Ishmael.
Okay, so it's so funny how these pastors are getting up and talking about how the Arabs,
the Muslims are Ishmael, and how the Jews are Isaac, and you know, they have it totally
backwards, because no, the Jews are not Isaac, the Jews are Ishmael, and it's we as Christians
that are Isaac, okay?
And then another scripture on this would be Romans chapter 9, because in Romans chapter
9, it says, not as though the word of God hath taken none effect, for they are not all
Israel which are of Israel, neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all
children, but an Isaac shall thy seed be called, that is, they which are the children
of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted
for the seed.
So, Ishmael was the child born of the flesh, which represents the Jews, the physical seed
of Abraham, we are, as Isaac was, the children of promise, we as Christians are Isaac.
So, frankly, I don't even care who the physical descendants of Ishmael are, because we're
all of one blood, avoid genealogies, the Bible says, so I really have zero interest in who
they are physically, but I know they are spiritually, the spiritual Ishmaelites are the Jews.
It was actually Muhammad that actually put that out there, that actually propagated that
whole idea that they were the sons of Ishmael.
You're right, I totally agree with you, I think that came from Muhammad.
Yeah, so I just wanted to hear you expound on that, and that's exactly what I believe.
Thank you, sir, God bless you.
Amen, thanks for the call.
Yeah, that's a great point that he made there at the end.
You know, Muhammad said, hey, we Arabs, we're the sons of Ishmael, that was like a pride
thing for them, that it was good to be the sons of Ishmael, but frankly, the sons of
Ishmael, everybody's been so intermarried for so many thousands of years, you don't
have these distinct groups anymore physically of Ishmaelites and Israelites.
Folks, the people in Israel are white with blonde hair and blue eyes, okay?
Those aren't the same Israelites from the Bible, okay?
That's a religion that they've adopted, a Christ-rejecting religion of Judaism.
They're white people, they're Ashkenazis, look up, you know, while you're studying
1 Chronicles, you can look up Ashkenaz, and you'll see that he is a Gentile, okay?
And they're called Ashkenazi Jews for a reason.
So that was a great call, great point about how Muhammad's the one proclaiming them to
be the Ishmaelites, but then Baptist preachers call the Muslims the Ishmaelites.
No, the Jews are the Ishmaelites, that's what the Bible actually says, and they are part
of a cursed religion, and we are the spiritual Israel in the New Testament.
All right, let's take another call.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here, how you doing?
Hi. What do you do when a fellow church member is being kicked out for the sin of drunkenness?
How do you treat them when they also happen to be your parents?
Well, you know, that's a tough situation, but if my parent were kicked out of the church
for drunkenness, I would have nothing to do with my parent until they repented of that
drunkenness.
If they're a born-again Christian and they're a member of the church, and the church throws
them out for drunkenness, then I would respect the church's decision on that, and I would
ostracize them until they repented of their drunkenness.
So even if you are a minor and you're living under their authority, that means that you
would even avoid eating meals with them?
No, that's a different situation.
If you're a minor and you're living in their home, then you don't have that option because
you're basically under their rule.
You're an extension of them at that point, so no.
If you're a minor, no, you still have to live with your parents, eat meals with them, honor
and respect them.
I'm talking about if you're out of the home, if you're an adult, I thought you meant like
an adult child whose parent gets involved in drunkenness.
I think that would be a different situation.
That was going to be a second part of my question.
If your in-law is in that sin and your spouse continues to associate with them as an individual
person, can you still make your own choice on how to treat that in-law, or should you
respect the choice of your spouse, especially if you're the woman and the man is deciding
to continue in fellowship with the parents?
Yeah, if you're the woman in that situation, you're going to have to respect your husband's
decision on that.
He's the leader.
Obviously, if it were the husband, then he has the right to demand that his wife follow
his lead and ostracize those people.
I'll point to some scriptural examples for this.
You see a man like Jehoshaphat deposes his own mother from being queen because she worshipped
idols.
And so because she set up an idol, he ends up removing her from that position of being
queen.
And look, I'm a very strong believer in honor of thy father and thy mother, and obeying
your parents and respecting your parents.
And I love and respect both of my parents, and I think it's very important.
But at the same time, there are situations where we have to separate from our parents.
Now, thank God my parents are Bible-believing Christians, they're independent fundamental
Baptists, and so I don't have to make this decision.
But there are situations.
I mean, the Bible says I've come to set a man at variance against his father.
I mean, there are times when divisions have to happen, even with parents.
And it's a tragedy, but it's out there.
So if the husband continues fellowship with them, and he insists that the wife does the
same, then the correct thing in that instance would be to go along with what the husband
says, and he would just be held accountable for it, even if the church has, you know,
communicated him?
Yes.
Yeah.
I don't think he's doing the right thing there, but as the wife, you know, she needs to obey
her husband.
She doesn't have the right to make the decision.
It's sort of like the same situation with the child.
You know, the minor who's in that home, you know, he can't make that decision either.
And then one more thing regarding that.
If the church has been, in that situation, kind of laxed and has not even acknowledged
that sin and kicked out the member, should any of the church members take it upon, like,
their own responsibility and their own walk to say, I will not associate with that person,
even if, as the church, he has not been called out?
Yeah, I don't—you know, if I were going to a church where they were allowing fornicators
to come to the church that are called a brother, or they're allowing drunks to just keep coming
to the church, I would personally abstain from fellowship with those people.
I wouldn't try to make a big deal out of it or a big scene about it, but I would stay
away from those people, because the Bible tells us that we should not have fellowship
with those kind of people.
And again, we also want to make sure that we're properly defining drunkenness.
You know, I don't believe if somebody drinks one beer, that makes them a drunk.
Now, I'm totally against drinking.
I don't believe in drinking any amount of alcohol.
But yet, you know, I think that drunkenness is beyond just one drink.
And so, you know, I preach sermons where I have given what I have laid out as the standard
for Faithful Word Baptist Church on what we consider drunkenness.
And it's really the same as what the world would consider drunkenness or what organizations
like Alcoholics Anonymous would consider drunkenness.
So it's nothing radical.
Right.
Yes, I've heard them.
And I agree with your definition and that it's the world's definition, too.
And I kind of had a question about one other quick question.
What's your opinion on children's storybooks and Bible stories, not translated, you know,
revival versions for children, but a story about the pictures.
Do you think that that's something to avoid or they can be some are misleading?
What has been your encounter with them?
I think it could be OK, you know, depending on the book.
You know, obviously there could be a lot of really bad ones out there.
But in our house, we don't do a lot of that.
I mean, we typically we do a lot of storybooks.
You know, I'm a strong believer in reading and I want my kids to learn how to read.
And we read to our kids when they're very young.
So, you know, in our house, we pretty much would just stick with secular type storybooks
or just, you know, maybe Christian storybooks that aren't a Bible story.
And we just kind of let the Bible be the Bible and let the storybook be the storybook.
So, you know, it's probably better to keep that separate.
But I don't think there's anything wrong with the doctrinally sound Christian children's book that gives a Bible story.
OK, thank you very much.
Yeah, thanks for the call.
Yes, this is Pastor Anderson, how are you doing?
Hi, Pastor Anderson.
Just a very small favor.
Can you just count one to ten in Cantonese again, please?
Ya-ee-samsay-um-luh-chah-bak-gaus-up.
All right, is this NAR?
Thank you, Pastor.
Yes, it is.
How are you doing, brother?
What events are you going to coming up?
Next week, the Red Hawk.
Awesome, man.
Well, I will see you there.
All right, see you.
Thank you.
Take care.
Have a good one.
All right, good old NAR.
He's everywhere.
He gets around.
He's a lot of missions trips, a lot of preaching conferences.
Yes, Pastor Anderson here.
How are you doing?
Doing well.
How about yourself, Pastor?
Great.
Good.
I was calling because I was wondering, when you're out soul women, if you knock the door
of a deaf couple's house or a deaf person's house, what do you do in that situation?
You know, believe it or not, that's actually never happened to me before.
Oh, okay.
I don't know what I would do.
Okay.
The reason I ask is because my wife is deaf and then my oldest daughter is deaf.
And when I witnessed deaf people in my community, I was like, well, who do you listen to?
And I refer to you and then they get bummed out because there's no subtitles or there's
no nobody interpreting into American Sign Language.
And then if you turn on the YouTube captions, I mean, it's just completely off the wall.
You can't keep up with what's being said.
Unfortunately, our current preaching doesn't have subtitles, but I actually did go through
and manually subtitle actually like two years of our preaching.
So even though the current stuff doesn't have subtitles, if they go on YouTube and search
Sanderson 1611, and then if you go into the filter, the results on YouTube, you can filter
only the ones that have captions and those will be actually captioned.
Okay, well, yeah, that's good to know because what I'll do is I'll turn it on our I'll turn
it on here onto our television and I'll actually stand next to the television and I'll translate
all in.
Oh, that's cool.
You're speaking.
Yeah.
The only issue I have is sometimes I lose it because I'm in the mindset of interpreting
that.
Right.
I'm relaying all the information that, you know, I'm just kind of letting it pass through
me.
Yeah, there are about I think that we have at least about 250 sermons that are captioned
and it's going back about two years.
Well, it's I think it's it's probably the sermons.
I might be wrong about this, but I want to say it's probably the sermons around like
2015, 2016, like those couple of years.
But if you just if you just filter the YouTube results, searching for only videos that have
captioning and then just search Sanders in 1611, then a whole bunch of sermons should
come up and it should only show you the ones that are captioned at that point.
Or another way to do it is if you go to the Faithful Word Baptist website, click on the
tab that says text and there's a whole list of sermons that have a full transcription.
It says full transcriptions of sermons.
If you click on that transcript, there should be a YouTube video embedded with the transcript
and that YouTube video should have closed captioning.
And there should be, you know, at least like 150, 200 of them like that on the text page
of faithfulwordbaptist.org.
Awesome. Thank you so much. You helped me out.
God bless you. Have a good one.
You know, I've really had a burden for reaching deaf people, and that was one of the reasons
why we did caption hundreds of sermons.
And I actually really wanted to learn sign language, but I have a problem with my finger.
I sliced it open about 10 years ago down to the bone.
And so I have a lot of really bad problems with my middle finger on my right hand.
So if I try to do signing on my right hand, it's very painful and I can't make the signs properly.
So I would have to learn how to do it left handed.
And that didn't really seem realistic to me.
But my son, my oldest son, Solomon, knows a lot of sign language.
And, you know, it's just not for me, unfortunately.
But I would love to eventually have a deaf interpreter at Faithful Word Baptist Church someday.
I think that'd be great.
All right. Well, we've got a good number of these voicemails if you're interested in going through some more of these.
Sure.
Hello, my name is Kyle Farber.
I am a gospel preacher.
Would you please explain to the people the gospel in Acts 13 verses 16 through 39?
I would like your input.
And the Trinity is not found in the Word of God.
Be false, heretic.
Well, he's in luck because I just did an entire sermon on Acts 13.
Actually, though, you know what?
I think I didn't preach on the part that he's talking about because I was preaching on Paul's missionary journey on Sunday morning.
But probably if you go back to my series on the Book of Acts, I'm sure I preached through Acts 13.
But this guy's not saved.
He's the damnable heretic if he doesn't believe in the Trinity, because the Trinity is found in Scripture.
There are many verses that talk about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
And anyone who thinks that those are all the same person and that the Father is the Son, that the Son is his own father.
I mean, that's a stupid doctrine.
I mean, how many times did Jesus say, I came not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me?
If I bear record of myself, my record's not true.
There's another that bear records of me.
You know, Jesus said that the Father is going to send another comforter.
I mean, again, I've done so many sermons on the Trinity.
I'm not going to spend the hours of just going through the Trinity all throughout the Bible,
all the way back to let us make man in our image and after our likeness.
And so the Trinity scriptural oneness is such a ridiculous doctrine.
It's literally like the flat earth of theology.
It's just that dumb.
Okay, because Jesus is the Son of God, and so he is not his own son or his own father.
Three persons, one God, it's all throughout the Bible, and I've done plenty of sermons on it.
All right, here we go for another.
Hi, Pastor Anderson. I was wondering, is it possible for someone to become a reprobate
who has not heard the Gospel before? Thanks, bye.
Yes, I actually do think that it is possible for someone to become a reprobate
without hearing a clear presentation of the Gospel or without hearing about Jesus Christ,
because of the fact that the Bible talks about in Romans 1
how just even people just realizing that there's a Creator and seeing the creation of the world,
they can still not want to retain God in their knowledge, and they can still be a hater of God somehow.
And I think that there are people out there who become a reprobate
even without hearing a clear presentation of the Gospel or without hearing about Jesus specifically.
But I think that most people become a reprobate after rejecting the Word of God,
hearing about Jesus, and so forth.
And so I think that when the Gospel is being preached a lot,
you know, there are going to be a lot of people getting saved as a result,
but then there are also going to be a lot of people who are made reprobate,
you know, when they hear the Word of God and reject it.
The more they hear it and the more they reject it, the more seared they're going to get.
And the worse they're going to get.
Okay, so we've got some more, so let's try to knock some of these out here.
There's another.
Hi, I'm just wondering, like, why I sometimes doubt that I'm saved.
Although I know I am, I just keep sitting and I keep having evil thoughts,
like adultery thoughts and stuff, and I just can't seem to shake it.
I don't know what else.
Now, obviously every single person who's saved is still going to continue sinning.
Now, you know, maybe he's talking about something really serious.
Now he is talking about adulterous thoughts, and obviously that's wicked to have those thoughts.
But part of that could be just because our society is so filthy
and we're constantly having these images shown unto us
and these ideas put into our head by wicked media.
So my recommendation would be to tune out from the worldly entertainment
and shut off all the wickedness for a while
and just try to clean up your mind with the Word of God
and spend time on things that are wholesome, reading your Bible, enjoying nature,
enjoying family and friends,
because these wicked influences could cause a multitude of adulterous thoughts
or other sinful thoughts.
But, you know, if you're striving for sinless perfection,
you're never going to get there in this lifetime because we still have the flesh.
And when people live a very sinful life,
it can sometimes make them doubt their salvation
because they can't believe that they would do these things if they're saved.
But, you know, at the end of the day, we're saved by faith, we're not saved by our works,
and we should be trying not to sin and trying to get the sin out of our life
and cleaning up our lives.
And being saved definitely gives you the power to overcome sin,
but the flesh is still there, it's always going to be a struggle,
it's always going to be a battle.
So just make sure that your faith is in Jesus,
make sure that you understand that salvation is a free gift,
and if you're trusting the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ
as your ticket to heaven and you have all your faith in Him,
then there's no reason to doubt your salvation
as long as you know for sure that you believe the gospel
and are trusting Christ as Savior.
You know, keep fighting the sin, do your best not to be exposed to it,
pray that the Lord will not lead you into temptation,
that He'll deliver you from evil, and just try to live as clean as you can.
But if you're just constantly letting garbage come in, watching TV, movies, worldly stuff,
I mean, it's going to fill your mind with trash, unfortunately.
All right, here's another question that might be related.
Hey, Pastor Anderson.
I was wondering if you could expound on Mark 11, 22 through 24,
where Jesus said we could say unto the mountain,
be removed and cast into the sea,
and I was wondering if you could kind of explain what He was doing there
and how that applies to us
and if you've ever applied that to your life and your prayer life and had results.
Thank you, God bless.
Well, I've never literally applied it, I've never literally moved mountains,
but I think what Jesus is doing here is just using a very extreme example
just to let you know that when it comes to prayer, the sky is the limit.
He just wants you to know that with God, all things are possible,
and that if we ask anything according to His will, He heareth us,
and if we know that He heareth whatsoever we ask,
we know that we have the petitions that we desired of Him.
I think He's just using the most extreme example possible of moving a mountain
just to show that anything is possible with God
and that God has all power
and that when we pray we should not think small, we should think big.
And we should be like Elisha who asked for a hard thing.
He asked to have a double portion of Elijah's spirit, he asked for the hard thing.
We should pray big prayers, we should believe that God can answer big prayers,
we should call on to Him so that He can answer us and show us mighty things that we don't know.
I mean, He's able to do, the Bible says, above all that we can ask or think.
So I think the Bible here is just using this extreme example to tell us
that we should pray for big things and God can do great things.
He's just using a little bit of hyperbole here.
Well, that's it for tonight. We're out of time.
But thank you to all the callers, a lot of great calls tonight, great questions.
Thank you everybody who's tuned in at home, and we will see you next time.
God bless you, have a great night.