All right, welcome to the Rod of Iron podcast, Fundamental Baptist breaking down
discussions, dogma and daily events.
I'm your host, Pastor Bruce Mejia here at First Works Baptist Church here in
beautiful Southern California.
And I'm joined by the fundamentalists, Brother Huyck and Brother Adam.
And of course, we have Brother Ulysses here on the board.
Folks, it's been a while.
It's been a long time since we have done this podcast.
Got the channel shut down and got banned from YouTube, but whatever.
And so I haven't really had the motivation.
That's a bad excuse to make another podcast because I'm just like, where am I
going to put it?
But we're just going to put this on the website and on the channel that I
currently have until it gets nuked.
But, you know, I'm happy to be back and got the guys back again, too.
What's up, guys?
Not much.
What's up with you, Adam?
Not much.
Yeah, you guys are really, you guys are really thrilled.
How are you doing Ulysses?
No, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, it's good to be back.
And we have a couple of topics that we're going to be talking about tonight.
We're going to talk about savants and a couple of savants and what it means to be
a savant.
And even, what did you say, a dumb savant?
Idiot savant.
That works, too.
Oh, yeah, I guess so.
And then we might get into some other current topics, current hot topics in
society today that I think Christians should know about.
And so we're looking forward to a great episode.
Gentlemen, are we ready?
We're ready.
I'm ready.
So he finished, he finally finished chapter one of John one, John chapter one.
And so that's pretty neat.
I like that, you know, just to get to go over with the Bible with my son and he
like, he doesn't sight read because actually sight reading is not really good.
What does that mean?
It's like, you know, you just read a word because you recognize it, not because
you're phonetically sounding it out.
You know what I mean?
Like, you just recognize the word.
But he knows how to, he, I mean, he's learned how to read phonetically, but
sometimes he trusts himself too much.
Isn't that what adults do?
Yeah, but they shouldn't.
I mean, I'm sorry, we do do that, but that's not how we should learn how to
read.
Like, I actually learned that it's not good to learn how to speed read because
speed reading is like sight reading where you just kind of trust what you saw.
You know what I mean?
Like, have you ever heard of speed reading?
Yeah.
But don't you also want to process what you've read?
Like think about it?
Well, they put it forth as if, um, speed reading is superior to just any other
reading because of the fact that you're able to consume more content and retain
everything that you've read.
You're not spending time trying to figure out what the word is.
Yeah.
Sounding out the words or figuring out the words, but the concepts, well, if you
know what the words are, I mean, yeah, yeah.
No, it's true.
It's true.
What?
Oh yeah.
Have you seen that video?
The judge get like super mad.
What was that?
Well, you do not.
You do not know.
What did you learn?
What did you just read?
Yeah, but though he's like, you didn't see that.
Yes.
But there's people who can read pretty fast as far as like, they do what's
called speed reading, but it's also called block reading.
And the way it works is, um, initially when you begin to speed read, you, you
need a pen and you go over like every line and you just have to practice just
like looking at, or just kind of breezing through the sentence, every line and not
regressing and just kind of trusting what you've already read.
And so what happens is you, because of that exercise, you begin to, um, focus
more so that you're able to retain more.
And you get to a point where like, if this is a page and you're reading a book,
they teach you to break it up into four boxes like this.
So initially you start off like this, right?
Like if this is just a regular book with no columns, you just read like that.
Right.
And then you have to kind of test yourself, like, what did you read?
But then after a while, once you get faster, when you're reading, like, I
don't know, I think it's like 700, 800 words a minute, then you do block
reading, which is basically you get a pen and you tap each square like that.
And then your, your eyes literally kind of like, they just scan the page and
it's able to just retain everything.
You kind of scan over it and you're not necessarily, because when we think
of reading, yeah, you're kind of zigzagging through it, but there's
people who do it and they actually retain what's being, what's the, you
know, they retain the content.
Like they can, they can regurgitate everything that they've read.
And I used to have a book, oh man, on speed, I forgot what it's called, but
it was, it was a program that was out there teaching kids how to, how to speed
read, but it's actually very detrimental though, because of the fact that
phonetic, you know, reading phonetically is actually superior because of the fact
that a lot of times children or even adults who learn how to speed read, if
you actually look at what they're reading, or if you tell them to read out
loud, they mispronounce a bunch of words because they're trusting what they've
read and a word looks like another word.
When I, when I was, when I used to read the Bible of, I don't usually read the
Bible out loud, but what I do is like, I process the sentence like before it, and
then like cache that in my mind.
Then I'd like read the next sentence, have the next sentence ready.
That's how I kind of read too.
So like, I'll read, like, it's like, when you read aloud or when you read aloud.
Yeah.
Cause I feel like that's the only way to say that again.
You do what?
So say I have this and it's second Chronicles chapter 12.
Into the mic, into just, just pull the, just pull the Bible to you.
The interesting, I'm trying to like show you the gospel.
Are you a hundred percent?
So it, so the, the verse says, and it came to pass when Mary Aboham had
established the kingdom and has strengthened himself, he forsook the law
of the Lord and all Israel with him.
So as I'm speaking the words, I'm like reading the next sentence.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you do that too?
Sometimes I think so.
I don't know where you learned that from.
I just, it's just a habit you picked up.
That's the only way I could make it sound fluid.
So there's no like pauses between sentences or between verses.
I don't know, dude.
I think I do that.
I think I read really fast.
Like when I read out loud, I actually read really fast.
Like if I'm preaching, I read really fast and that's good and that's bad because
sometimes I'll mispronounce certain words because I think I'm thinking
faster than I can like say it.
Um, but it's like, and it came to pass that as he was praying in a certain
place, when he sees one of his disciples said unto him, Lord teach us to pray.
But also if you like familiar with the passage, you kind of already know
what it's going to say, you know what I mean?
Whereas I think the way you're supposed to read the Bible is specifically the
Bible, but I guess any book, but more specifically the Bible is you need to
take your time reading it and like every word.
You know what I mean?
Man should not live by bread alone, but by every word to proceed out of the
mouth of God.
So you just kind of have to like slow down.
You should hang on every word.
I find like, so I don't do this anymore, but for a while I found that like for
daily Bible readings, I'd read it out loud because it allowed me to slow down
and really like process what it's saying.
Versus when you're reading like just in your head or whatever, you can pretty
quickly get, tend to skim, especially if you know the chapter, like, yeah.
Yeah.
And some, nothing new will like pop out at you.
Yeah.
If you don't, I don't read out loud very often.
I think I used to, I don't do it really anymore, but I do like if I'm reading
the passage, I'll just like think about it for a while.
Like I'll just pause and just think and just kind of let it like settle in kind
of thing.
Cause I know like I do have the desire to read, you know, and just finish
whatever I have to read.
But I think you have to get to a point where you also just are kind of
ruminating on what you're reading and just thinking about it, meditating upon
it kind of thing.
Look up Evelyn Wood, I think that's what it's called, Eli, the Evelyn Wood
speed reading course or something.
When, when you like, when you read like even those secular books or even the
Bible, do you set out like a certain number of chapters to read or do you set
out a time block to read?
When it comes to, well, when it comes to like secular books as of recently,
I don't really have those types of goals.
Cause a lot of the secular books that I read, I don't really read.
I, I listen to, is that what it's called?
See, I knew it.
Oh yeah.
Seven day.
Yeah.
You can learn in seven days to speed read, learn how to read.
And it sounds like tempting to learn, but it's just not good in my opinion.
And is this for kids or is this for adults?
This is for kids and adults.
And if I'm not mistaken, like we're typing like Theodore, what's his name?
No, not Hertzel.
Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt.
Yeah.
Speed reading.
I think he knew how to speed read because a lot of the presidents
learned this Evelyn course.
Yeah.
Or just to consume a lot of books a day.
Like they would read like five books a day or something like that.
Cause they're constantly growing.
Back when presidents had to read books and stuff.
Yeah.
It does say that, right?
Read it to us.
Faster.
Wait, wait, wait.
I didn't hear you say that again.
Uh, Theodore read tens of thousands of books during his lifetime, including
hundreds of foreign languages.
Roosevelt accomplished his speed because he knew how to speed read.
Yeah.
So there, but like the, the speed was like, if you could read like a thousand
words a minute, you're just...
So it said he would split through two or three pages in a minute.
Yeah.
He, so he was a real life.
Well, do you guys remember, um, the rain man, the movie, the rapper, like
counting the toothpicks on the floor?
The rain man, the movie was based upon a real person though.
Uh, look up the name, the real name of the rain man.
He was a savant.
You know what a savant is?
Yeah.
Smart guy.
Well, not, no, it's not the French fighting style.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
What is, huh?
Yeah, yeah, him right there.
He looks like a savant.
Kim Peek.
Oh man.
Yeah.
Anyways, he was a savant.
What's the, what's the French karate?
Savant?
Oh, savant.
That's what it's called.
So a savant is like someone who is like superior.
I don't know.
Look up the, I don't know a lot of stuff.
Look up the definition to a savant.
It's basically someone who is like, just extraordinarily like intelligent,
intelligent, or gifted in a certain area.
A savant and savant.
Then you also have an idiot savant, which is what.
Oh man, that sucks.
Which is somebody.
I'm a savant.
That's even smarter than.
The smart one?
No, the dumb one.
I'm exceedingly stupid.
No, that's a step.
Look up, look up, look up idiot savant.
I'm sure you know a couple of these.
Dang.
Um, but anyways, that, that guy, rain man was a savant.
And so he would actually go to the library and just read hundreds of books every day.
And they've actually recorded him.
And what, what does it say?
A person who has a mental or learning disability, but is extremely gifted in a
particular way, such as performing a feats of memory.
That's like Loza because he's really good at graphics, but he's an idiot.
What is referred to as like autistic people who can like remember Paris from
one helicopter ride?
Oh, is that what that's referring to?
Oh, so I've known people like that.
There's a guy at our old church and he was, he was autistic, but he knew like
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of phone numbers and birthdays.
There were phone numbers and birthdays, like when so-and-so's like everyone in the
church and he can just quote it like that.
But he was just, you know, but the savant of like the rain man, they actually, they
actually recorded him and I don't know how he does, how he did it.
Cause he died already, I think.
But one, I would read down and the other one, I would read one page and the other,
I would read the other page.
And the way you knew that he was actually reading is cause he could actually like
regurgitate the content.
How can you read two things at once?
I have no idea.
I mean, maybe, maybe I'm mistaken.
Look it up and see if it's true.
I'm pretty sure that's, that's, is that kind of like the thing where like
chameleons?
So chameleons, right?
Oh yeah, I guess so.
But like, have you heard of the thing where like the, the connection between the left
brain, left brain and the right brain is cut, then people can like, their, their body
can like move and do things without their mind knowing it, essentially.
Because I, are you talking about telekinesis or like sleepwalking or something?
Can you shake up the cameras or focus?
Like sleepwalking?
No, I mean, wouldn't that be like a symptom of something like that?
Kind of, but like what is it?
Okay, so wait, hold on.
He could read two pages in about 10 seconds, the right page with his right eye
and the left simultaneously with his left eye.
He knew phone, phone books by heart and can tell you what day of the week a
particular day.
See, he's like a walking cell phone, basically.
Yeah, this guy, this guy has been made obsolete.
I have an iPhone.
Yeah, he's no longer needed.
Did you check the cameras?
Did you check the camera?
Check it again.
He was, yeah, so he knew that stuff and then he was able to recall like
information from books that he's read years ago.
It's kind of interesting.
I've seen this video recently of this chimpanzee.
No, they displayed for like a split, split second consecutive numbers like one
through 13 or something like randomly placed over the screen and he only gets
to see it for maybe like a split second and then he can recall the order of the
numbers and it's pretty intense.
I mean, I can't, I can't even do that.
Are you saying the chimpanzee is more talented?
I zoned down.
That particular chimpanzee.
Dude, I was at, I was at the, uh, where was I?
I was at the LA.
Dang, this guy's, what, what is Adam?
He's on a savant.
What is he, he's like, I was like, where am I?
Maybe the second one.
He just, his brain just went Joe Biden on him right now.
I'd be on the pool.
You come and touch my leg hairs.
Thank you.
Remembers my heart.
Yeah, well, that's a good one.
Where is a corn pop?
Uh, I was at the LA zoo and there was like some people throwing grapes at the
orangutans and I watched an orangutan grab, uh, like a stick and like fish the
great from outside the net using the water, like river that runs under it and
like bring it towards him and grab it.
And he, and I was just like, this is amazing.
He's like, I never would have thought of that.
He's like, I would have starved.
But like, I didn't know they knew how to use tools.
Was this like, I just told you the guy can count like 13.
I can count to 13.
I can't, I mean, you can't do what he did.
It's, it's pretty, it's pretty impressive for an orangutan.
Pretty impressive for an orangutan.
But there, I mean, you have like, for example, like killer whales are
ridiculously intelligent or should I say calculated?
They're very calculated is what I want to say.
But before, before I forget, savants, I think they're either born, but they can
be made as well.
And a lot of the savants that are made, like the Rain Man, I think he was born
that way.
But there's other savants that are made because they suffer like a freak
accident.
Like they receive like a, like a hit to the head.
They get in some sort of an accident that causes some sort of brain trauma and it
triggers something in their brain that causes them to be that way.
Like there is a guy who is a savant and maybe I'm thinking of two different
people, but there's a guy who was a savant, but or he wasn't a savant, but he
got hit with a baseball bat to the head.
And after that, he was able to recall any date in the past and what the weather was
on that day.
That's pretty crazy.
And I think there's another guy who received some, I think he got hit with a
baseball or something.
I don't know.
I don't remember exactly what the trauma was.
Baseball creates...
But he got hit and then he was able to look at a city, like if you were to look
at anything for a split second, and then he can draw it with precision and detail
exactly the way you see it.
So they had him fly over New York in a helicopter.
Yeah, in a helicopter.
Yeah, not literally like, you know, he's in a helicopter and they just had him
just, they just kind of flew him once over New York City just to kind of look or
downtown New York or whatever.
And they had him look at all the skyscrapers once and then he went and they
gave him a huge canvas and it took him hours, but he basically replicated
everything that he saw.
It's like they take a snapshot with their mind or something.
He drew it all down.
That's such a trip.
And then there's another savant.
I don't remember if this guy was made or he was just always like this, but he was
like a mathematical savant.
Why are you laughing?
When you say like a maid in a savant, are you thinking like to like maid gangsters?
He's a maid man.
There was a guy named Tony.
He's a maid man.
Like Joe Pesci was a savant or something.
Sorry.
Here we go.
But this guy was, this guy was made, he was a maid savant.
I'm just laughing because he's, he just thinks it's that funny.
But this guy was, I think he was made, he's like crying.
I think he was made a savant.
Dude.
Do you know who I'm talking about?
Did you make him a savant?
But he became like this mathematical genius.
What is so funny?
I just want to hear the story.
I know.
I'm trying to tell the story.
I should just look at you, Adam, because he's like crying.
So this guy was a mathematical savant.
He was made.
You guys are killing me.
Get out of here.
You get out of here.
So there, he was a mathematical savant.
I'm just trying to tell you at least, I got to tell someone this story.
So he was a mathematical savant.
Talk to the viewer.
He literally walked out.
The guy literally walked out.
He was a mathematical savant.
He was for the billionth time.
He was a mathematical savant.
And he can solve these.
There's a window right here.
Hi, guys.
Do you have to stand in front of the window and like laugh?
He can solve any ridiculous equation that he can place.
I think he solved some equation that required three hours of answering or something.
And he solved it in how long?
I mean, three hours.
Oh, I thought like.
You're not a savant.
You're on the opposite end.
You think streams had a, like, it took him three hours to answer.
So how long did it take?
I thought it took the average person.
No, it would take like three hours to answer because there's so many numbers.
I might be mistaken.
It might've been like two hours or an hour.
But he answered with precision.
So they give him an equation.
And then he's just like, this is like this is 45 set.
You know, he's just naming off these numbers or whatever.
What's that movie with Matt Damon, where he's like a janitor at the beginning?
And he's like, how you like them apples?
That movie?
No, it has Ben Affleck in it as well.
It's a really bad movie.
But he's like, Matt Damon, like, is like a janitor in college.
And then after hours, he just goes in the rooms and solves all like the really hard math
problems on the board.
And everyone's like so impressed with him.
And he directed it and wrote the movie, too.
So he was like showing off.
That sounds like. Yeah, I don't remember the name of the movie.
I'm sure the comment.
I know what you're talking about, though.
There's there's a story because you were talking about.
I never seen it. But you know, it reminds me of that, though.
A beautiful mind.
I've never seen that.
That's a true story, right?
Yeah, but based on a man.
It's based on a true story. But the guy is a reprobate, though.
They didn't show him as a reprobate.
They didn't represent him as a reprobate in the movie.
How is he a reprobate?
He's a sodomite.
Oh, really?
Yeah, like he how does that make him a reprobate?
He can change, though.
You know, God can still save him.
Are you saying he can't repent of that?
Yes, Adam, I am.
But in the movie, you know, he was he was also like a mathematical genius.
That guy, I don't know what his name is, but the guy from Beautiful Mind.
But he was actually like a sodomite.
Like he would go to France for months on end and just be a pervert.
The guy who they made a movie about him recently, too.
He like cracked the Nazi code in World War Two or whatever.
I think it's Alan Turing or Adam Turing or something.
He was working for the British and he cracked like the cryptographic code that the Nazis used to communicate with each other.
But he was a sodomite.
So the British people, so the British castrated him after he had like cracked the code for them and then he killed himself.
I just thought watching that movie halfway.
I didn't see the movie.
I didn't see the movie, but I just know the story.
What is it?
They made a movie out of it.
I forget the name.
What in the world?
Yeah, they castrated him because he was a sodomite.
Well, the Beautiful Mind guy, he like was working for the CIA or whatever, but then he became a schizophrenic.
Like the movie portrays him as though like he started thinking there's all these conspiracies and he was working for like the FBI or CIA or something like that.
And he's just losing his mind or whatever.
But they never showed any of that sodomy.
Like it wasn't, they didn't portray him as a sodomite.
At the end of the movie, I think he's just like, he just lives with the fact that he's going to see these people in his mind for the rest of his life.
He's just going to ignore them.
But the real story is like horrid though.
It's pretty bad.
But as I was telling him, the savant, he was able to do these incredible math or solve these incredible mathematical equations that would take like an hour, two hours to solve, like to answer.
Not to solve the answer.
Like to say that many numbers would require like an hour or two hours to say.
And this guy would do it and he would explain how that he would see these numbers in his mind as colors.
Oh, that's like a, not a disease, but it's like a thing some people have where like they relate numbers to colors and sounds like the smells.
I feel like, if I remember correctly, Pastor Robinson said that he has that.
Yeah. Where they associate, like their senses get all like cross-wired.
I think they said like math is yellow or something like that.
No. You never heard that before?
I'm serious. Yeah. You say it's green?
No. Watch.
Type in, type in, type in what color is math and what color is English.
Okay. Well, let me ask you a question.
What color is the number eight?
I see it as like red. I don't know.
I see it as red.
I see it as blue. It's like blue, green.
No.
What does it say? In fact, the color blue is associated with math.
See? Because it is a cool technical color.
That's stupid.
Ask, ask what color is eight?
It's such a stupid question.
I mean, there's only so many colors if you ask enough people, you know.
Black. Oh, no.
Yellow. Did we say yellow?
No, we said red.
Dang, we're way off. We're not savants.
We don't know what we're doing.
We're definitely not savants.
We're not artists.
I'm going to cut that out.
He's all impressed by him.
I'd like to meet this man.
He's weird, though.
But he he was.
Wait, was this the sodomy or?
Counting cards?
No, he's the the Rain Man guy.
Oh, OK.
That guy is the because he obviously he read the Bible, too.
So he read the Bible scores of times.
The guy never got saved.
And, you know, knowledge puffeth up.
So he had all this knowledge.
And there's like interviews with him and, you know, people were interviewing him.
And he's just like he's like telling the interview one day you'll be as great as me.
You know, just like very the Rain Man guy.
Yeah, because knowledge has he seen himself in the movie.
He's a freaking idiot.
He died already.
Oh, he never he never lived to see himself as Dustin Hoffman or whatever.
Oh, no, no, I think he did.
Yeah, but he was very proud.
But obviously, you know, the Bible teaches.
He looks like he's related to Stephen Hawking.
Yeah, that's just.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe that's just how they all look home when they when they get like that.
Super smart.
It's become like very arrogant and prideful, you know, knowledge.
Was he a Mormon?
Can you look that up?
What do you say?
Why would he be a Mormon?
Because I just saw something on on the.
On Google that said, like Mormon Wiki, Kevin Peek.
Yeah, he was.
He was.
He was a member of the Church of the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
As much information as he retained, he was a complete idiot.
Because that's why they call him idiot.
Yeah, Rain Man has been a missionary his whole life.
Says Deseret News.
Missionary to what, bro?
So he's a referee too then.
I mean, I wouldn't doubt he's ever learning, never able to come to the
knowledge of the truth, because he was literally he would literally spend like
his entire day just at the library reading hundreds and hundreds of books.
The one thing that's amazing is that the human mind has the capacity to retain all
that information.
Would you eat your food?
Like God gave us that kind of brain, you know?
Or even the guy you were talking about who after getting hit in the head, he could
recall the weather from years back.
That means your brain captured that.
It has that information.
It's just recalling it.
It's such a trip.
Yeah.
I always heard that like our brain makes space for like, gets rid of memories to
fill in with other memories.
But like then you have stories like that where people just get hit in the head and
suddenly they remember like when they were five years old.
I've actually heard that too.
It's like basically the way your mind works, the way your brain works is that, I
think I got it from the Atomic Habits actually, the book.
I've only heard that on like TV shows.
But I think that shows us like that we don't really understand the brain at all.
We don't really understand like neural.
It's such a amazing thing.
Because like science is like ever evolving.
Well, too, like when you memorize something or when you're learning things, you're
creating new pathways.
Like, and so there's pathways that are in your brain that have existed since, I mean,
for decades, you know what I mean?
Depending on obviously how long you've lived.
But it's like you, when I tell you that I can remember.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe you do remember those things then.
Yeah, I do.
Oh.
What is it?
Oh, he like changed his own diapers.
What was it?
Diapers?
Who wore diapers, bro?
He changed his own diapers.
Is that what you meant by savant?
I was jacked up, but it's funny.
He's a savant because he remembers changing his own diapers.
You know how you're talking about whether or not he was made, that guy, whether or not
he was made a savant or he was like born a savant?
Yeah.
There's like, that reminded me of a dude, I think in like the 80s or 70s, he was from
Hungary.
His name was Laszlo Plogar or Polgar or something.
And he was like a really bad chess player, but he was a chess player.
But he believed that basically it was like 100%, he believed that if he had kids, it
was 100% nurture and not nature.
And what he meant by that is like, I could train these kids if I make them just be good
chess players since the day they're born, then they're going to rise and become the
best chess players ever.
So he did this.
So he found someone to have kids with and he had, because it was part of like the experiment.
He's like, I have a project and I'm working on it.
That's actually part of the story.
He like, he was going around telling women, I have this project I want to work on.
It's like the experiment to see if I can raise kids, see whether or not it's nature
or nurture.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
And then he found someone who agreed.
And so he had one daughter and he started, since she was like able to talk or read or
something, he started like training her in chess.
Now he was not a good chess player, but he made like chess her main focus for her whole
life.
And then she ended up like one of the top 10 female chess players.
And then he did that two more times.
We had a second daughter and he did the same thing.
And he made her like chess from a young age and implanted this in her.
And all those things.
And she became another top 10 chess player.
Then he had the third one.
He did the same thing.
And she was like, I think the best female chess player of that time.
Number one.
And he was like not a good chess player.
He was mediocre.
He never like.
He was just trying to, he had kids to prove a point.
Yeah.
He did it three times.
So that goes to show like, you know.
You can learn these things.
It's not so more of like so much of, oh, you know, I was born this way.
So I like, I was born disadvantaged or I was born like, uh, I'm not as smart.
Like my parents aren't smart.
But this guy wasn't like a genius or anything, but he created three geniuses.
Yeah.
Essentially.
So.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, I think it's a little bit of both.
I think obviously like everyone is gifted in a certain way.
You know, everyone has talents and gifts.
Yeah.
But I think, um, success is determined not necessarily how talented you are or how gifted
you are, but rather how much work you put into your craft.
Right.
Like the Bible emphasizes diligence more than talent.
Like God expects us to use and steward our talents, but it's far heavier on the diligence
and the work ethic.
Like in all labor, there's profit because of the fact that, you know, the vast majority
of the population are not savants.
They're not the most talented or whatever.
So we have to like learn these things, you know.
And that's, that's really important for children because I don't know if you've heard like
conservative will say this, be like, Oh, I can't have children in this environment.
It's so wicked.
Like having them in the city, you'll grow up to be all sorts of things.
But like the Bible says, like train up a child in the way you should go when he is old, he
should not depart from it.
Right.
So it's like this proves it.
This obviously we don't need proof of it for it.
But like this dude raised three geniuses.
He didn't have to be a genius himself.
Yeah.
Same thing.
You don't have to be like, if you're willing to put in the work to raise your children,
you don't have to be the best Christian ever.
But you can raise Christians who are better Christians than you.
Yeah.
That's a, that's a great point.
Yeah.
That's a really good point.
All these people scare like, Oh, I can't have daughters in this.
Like I hear that all the time.
Or it's like, I can't have kids because you know, how can we bring a kid into this type
of world or whatever?
It's so wicked.
Yeah.
Or they're going to grow up so wicked.
It's like, well, they'll only do that if you don't teach them.
If you don't discipline them, if you spare the rod.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's good.
That gives us hope, does it not?
It gives us hope that we don't have to worry if we're not gifted or talented or whatever.
Yeah.
That's like the arrows thing you said too.
Yeah.
They can go further than us.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Are you on carnivore right now?
I'm on ketovore right now.
Ketovore?
I can't do carnivore right now.
My, my stomach acids.
Can't hack it or what?
No, not yet.
Not enough stomach acid?
I mean like, you can't just eat meat?
I can, but I can't process it.
I can't digest it.
What are you?
A baby in Christ.
What are you talking about?
I'm a baby.
Why do you say that?
I can't digest the meat of the wood.
Why do you say you can't digest it?
Are you like a cow or something or what?
A cat?
No, a cow.
A cow?
Herbivore?
Why do you say you can't digest it?
Because I ate meat the first week I did carnivore, I woke up with like a huge headache.
I think that's normal though.
Yeah.
No, because I've had indigestion before and it's the same symptom.
When you first get on keto, like I was out here.
You go through keto flu.
Yeah, your electrolytes.
It's not the keto flu.
Your electrolytes go up.
You don't think so?
No, it's not.
It's literally indigestion.
I can't digest the food.
But don't you like eat a lot of steak though?
I don't believe that because steak is like the easiest thing to digest.
I used to eat more.
Meat is the easiest thing to digest.
I don't know.
You don't have to break it down.
It's true.
Like with kale and lettuce, you have to break down the stuff your body can use in your small
intestine.
But you don't have to ferment meat in your gut.
You're not a cow.
Maybe it's just because your digestive system is a little messed up.
It is because it used to be even worse.
Maybe you just need more fermented stuff like kefir.
Do you drink kefir?
No, I can't do that on carnivore though.
Yes, you can.
Yeah, you can.
Where do you think kefir comes from?
I don't know, but it has carbs, doesn't it?
Carnivore is not-
Carnivore is not necessarily like low carb.
Zero carb.
Although you can do low carb?
Yeah, it is.
So, you know, milk has carbs in it.
Milk is an animal product.
It's no different.
It's basically just like steak in liquid form.
Go to WebMD.
Hold on.
Why would you go to WebMD?
I'm going to go to Google.
Can you have-
Okay, well, here.
Here, let me-
Carnivore is all animal based products.
Let me make something clear.
Don't subscribe yourself to a dogma saying like, oh, carnivore is only beef and water,
right?
Don't subscribe yourself to something that makes sense.
Avoid high lactose dairy products.
Why, though?
Because it's Google.
No.
I don't know.
You should drink a cup of kefir a day.
Kefir is like one of those-
Kefir is really good for your digestive system.
It's a superfood.
I mean, like, I drink kefir, but I don't drink it.
I don't chug it down.
I'm sure there's people who do.
I drink it at night.
It's like a supplement.
I don't know why.
I don't know the why's too many things.
Let me tell you the why you should drink it.
You should drink it.
Tell me.
I will.
So carnivore, I mean, the idea of it is to heal inflammation and another one is to lose
weight.
And dairy is inflammatory.
To fix a metabolic distress you have.
So when you say things like dairy is inflammatory, that's what you're saying.
Cody told me that.
Why are you asking Cody?
No offense, Cody.
Why am I asking anyone?
Because Cody doesn't do carnivore.
He doesn't, but he's done, I think he's done keto before.
But he did it wrong, though.
Because most people who say they do keto, they do it for like a month and then they
say it doesn't work for them, but they're not even doing it right.
So what causes inflammation is things like anti-nutrients and oxalates.
And what inflammation is is literally like things in your body being inflamed.
So when you say like dairy causes inflammation, it has to be something within that dairy
that's causing inflammation.
But the only thing that it could potentially cause it is like either whey, which is like
just milk protein, either lactose, which is just sugar, right, or casein, which is another
type of protein.
None of those things on their own, of course there's other things in milk, but none of
those things on their own can cause inflammation or should cause inflammation.
Like milk is one of the lowest, thank you, one of the lowest inflammation beverages you
can drink.
Like even lower than coffee.
Because coffee is like acidic, it has tannins in it that can cause inflammation and leaky
gut.
And I'm sure you were drinking coffee on carnivore, right?
So, I mean, if you're, if you're avoiding, if you're avoiding, if you're avoiding the
milk for inflammation, then you have to cut out coffee then too.
It's even worse.
You drink, oh yeah, of course you drink coffee.
Yeah, but wouldn't the idea be to cut out a lot of things and strictly meat and then
you're cutting out like vegetables.
Yeah, because then you want to, you slowly want to reintroduce some things back into
your diet.
Well, I think you cut out vegetables because of the fact that vegetables aren't necessarily,
you know, you can't necessarily get the nutrients from vegetables the way, as quickly as you
would get it from eating meat.
Like your body's made to take the nutrients from meat naturally, just like absorb it.
Like when you, like for example, when you eat like egg yolks, you can metabolize those
like that.
It's very bioavailable.
Like as soon as you eat it, it just like goes straight to your muscles.
It goes straight to your body.
Whereas like vegetables doesn't do that.
You would need like enzymes to help you break down those vegetables in order to break that
down to get the nutrients from that.
Another thing with vegetables is they actually help you, they actually, they actually cause
the body to block nutrients from other foods.
So like a classic example is if you eat oysters, it has a lot of zinc in it.
But then if you eat like corn tortillas with oysters, there's anti nutrients in that that
block like 80% of the zinc you would absorb from the oysters.
So I think, so there's nothing like that with milk.
Like milk is like a natural product.
It comes from an animal.
It's basically just like, you probably need to wean yourself onto milk is what it is.
I'm trying to wean myself off of everything for now to kind of reset my system because
I didn't just dive into corn over, right?
Yeah.
But what I'm saying is like you should wean yourself onto milk.
Like my kids had to get weaned on to raw milk because their bodies weren't used to
it.
But you already drink milk.
You already drank milk before.
No, not really.
Oh, okay.
Shouldn't I, shouldn't I start restricting more things and go like, what do you, what
do you mean like restricting what though?
Well, all types of greens, even coffee.
I'm not, I'm not against that because I want to, I want to kind of diagnose and pinpoint
what the problem is.
For example, that's cause I think I honestly believe that carnivores is very simple and
I don't think you have to like do all that.
Animals.
It's just, you just eat anything from an animal and even then it's like, you don't have to
get all crazy about it and just choose a variety of different animal products.
Just the basics.
But it's really difficult because somebody says one thing and then somebody else says
another thing.
You have to, you do have to go with people who, who have experience of it though.
Like, and has actually, has actually done it.
Vitor did it for two years and that's basically what you recommend.
And he felt incredible too.
There's this doctor on YouTube, Dr. Berry.
Bird you mean?
No, Dr. Berry.
I don't know who that is.
And he's kind of like really pushing carnivore and keto and stuff like that.
Yeah.
If I remember correctly, he said to avoid.
Did he say why?
Why avoid milk?
Yeah, I don't remember.
See, so like if you're going to do something, you have to have like a, like a good reason
to do it.
If you're going to say, I'm going to cut out all milk, then like, why though?
Why are you going to cut out all milk?
Like there's some, there's some people I can understand.
Maybe they just can't drink milk because they're from like a area in the world that can't digest
milk.
Like a lot of Africans, a lot of Asians have trouble drinking milk, so it's bad for them.
But like if you have no trouble with it, then.
But even then it's like, if you have trouble with it, just wean yourself onto it.
I don't know if I have trouble with it.
Which is why I think I need to cut out most everything except for meat.
I think what you need to do and then reintroduce it.
Carnival is simple where it's just like, just stay away from the vegetables and consume
animal products.
That's it.
And, you know, kefir, for example, is really just really good for your digestive system.
And it helps you sleep really good too.
Like if you drink a little bit of kefir, a cup of kefir right before sleep, you sleep
like a baby.
It's really good for your gut because a lot of health issues are gut issues.
Yeah, most.
And part of that is like modern day.
We have refrigerators now and that makes it so we don't have to ferment our foods.
It sounds stupid, but like we don't have to ferment our foods anymore.
So like for literally thousands and thousands of years before, people to preserve foods
so they could eat later on like dairy or vegetables and stuff like that, they had to ferment them.
And that was good for your gut because when you ferment stuff, it has extra bacteria that
helps you crave good things and helps you digest good things and stuff like that.
So, but with the advent of the refrigerator, we kind of moved past that.
Like, oh, well, why would I need to drink this rotten milk?
Like I can just have fresh milk from the cow.
What do you think you're, I mean, when you said you have to restrict yourself, what are
you restricting yourself from?
Exactly.
I'm trying to, well, like I said, I started off strict carnivore and I had indigestion
and I don't like the feeling of that because it gave me a really bad headache.
And unless I literally like, what is indigestion?
It's like heartburn.
No.
What do you mean by that?
It's where my body kind of repels what I just ate.
So you like throw up?
Yes.
Maybe you just have a lot of gut issues.
Yeah.
I think it started when, um, I took antibiotics, but I took no probiotics alongside it.
And it was destroyed a couple of years ago, one or two years ago.
Antibiotics, it does that because it just kills everything.
Yeah.
I think it just destroyed like my biome and I got to rebuild.
Yeah.
So we'll see.
Then you should eat fermented stuff if you want to rebuild it.
Not just.
Well, research for fermented stuff so you know where you're going.
Yeah.
Fermented stuff.
Sure.
It has good bacteria.
Yeah.
We'll see.
I don't know.
Are you on carnivore or what are you doing?
Me?
Yeah.
I'm getting into OMAD.
I was talking about this a little earlier.
I'm trying to do OMAD most days and then I try to go on like long stints of fasting.
So like, uh, last week I did like a, like a 62 hour fast, but then I got sick at the
end of it.
So I quit.
Sick?
Like how sick?
What do you mean?
I just had like a sinus.
It was when everybody got sick at church, like all the kids and stuff.
It just got like cold or whatever.
Um, but yeah.
Yeah.
It's been going pretty good.
I like fasting a lot more than like just restricting everything down cause I, I still like potatoes
and I still like rice and stuff like that.
Yeah.
I'm doing keto right now, but it's mostly carnivore cause I'm just mostly eating like
animal products.
My wife would throw in some vegetables, but I just don't touch them.
I don't really like vegetables.
Yeah.
You've moved on from vegetables.
Hmm.
Yeah.
We'll see how it goes.
I'll give it a couple of months.
Yeah.
I mean like, yeah, I've moved on from vegetables.
I don't remember.
I mean, I've never, I've never liked vegetables actually.
I mean other than like asparagus or something wrapped in bacon.
I like vegetables.
You have to wrap it in bacon for it to be good.
Yeah.
Like I like that, you know, but I'm just not a really big fan of vegetables period.
And I just feel a lot better when I just eat meat, you know, like liver and beef.
I do eat chicken.
Um, I eat a lot of eggs.
Are you careful with what you buy?
Do you read the ingredients?
I don't buy anything.
My wife does all the shopping.
Is she careful with that?
Yeah.
I mean, she, she's the one who does all that research.
Just to make sure we have the best.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not like, I'm not as crazy as some people are.
And I'm not saying they're crazy crazy.
I'm just saying like, I wouldn't, I'm not as careful as some people are.
Some people are really careful.
It's just like, you know.
This has XYZ in it.
I can't, I can't touch it or whatever.
I'm not, I'm a little more loose when it comes to that.
I don't really care about that.
But I am big on like OMAD, although I'm not doing OMAD right now.
Um, and the only reason I'm.
One meal a day.
What's that?
One meal a day for people who don't know.
For people who don't know, OMAD is one meal a day.
It's really good for you because of the fact that it just helps you repair your body.
Put your body in a state of autophagy, where your body begins to repair itself.
I thought it was autophagy.
That's what I used to call it.
That's why he looked at me.
But he could care less.
Yeah, I could care less.
I still say that.
Is it care less or couldn't care less?
I heard it's both.
No, it can't be both.
I heard it's both.
How can it be both?
They're opposite one to another.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
Both are bad.
I mean.
Because it's saying like, I could care less.
That means you care a little bit.
Yeah, but it also means you don't care as much though.
And there could be, you care a little less.
Now you're giving me reason to care even less.
Or it's just like, if you think I care less right now, I could care less.
But I couldn't care less.
It's like rock bottom already.
But that's saying something different than I couldn't care less.
Because I couldn't care less is like, I don't care at all.
But like, I could care less is like, you're making me care less.
Yeah, the more you talk, the less I care.
So I guess they mean different things.
They're both bad.
But OMAD is really good because it just repairs your body.
Autophagy.
Yeah.
Autophagy.
Yeah.
It just helps you, especially with inflammation for sure.
But the reason I haven't done, I mean, I eat two meals a day.
I don't eat breakfast.
I always skip breakfast.
I never.
What time do you eat lunch?
Do you wait until like 12 or 1?
Sometimes 11.
Most of the time 12.
And then I'll eat dinner about 5.30.
And I try not to eat thereafter unless it's like after church on Sunday night or Thursday
night just because I'm super hungry.
You know in the Bible when it says like, is it born to the princes who are mourning?
What do you think that means?
Well, it says for, what does it say?
For pleasure and not for strength.
Look it up, Ulysses.
This is your job, brother.
I got to read this real quick.
Is it basically just saying don't be gluttonous and like a symptom of gluttony is eating in
the morning?
I think it's just saying, yeah.
I think it's just saying that if a person eats in the morning for pleasure.
I don't know if I'm saying that correctly though because I don't want to misquote it.
It's Ecclesiastes.
I think eating for pleasure, period, is sinful.
What does it say?
It says, woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child and thy princes eat in the morning.
And then blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is a son of nobles and thy princes eat
in due season for strength and not for drunkenness.
Yeah, drunkenness is basically pleasure.
So, I think what it's just referring to is just like when someone just eats just to eat,
but they're not necessarily doing it for sustenance, like for work or whatever.
That's not sinful, is it?
Just to eat just for pleasure?
No, I think it only becomes sinful because the Bible says that he fills our mouth with
good things.
He loathes his daily with benefits.
He gives us all things richly to enjoy because then at that point you would have to say that
when you're hungry and you're enjoying it, then that would also be sinful.
But God gave us taste buds to taste the food because he wants us to enjoy what we're eating.
I think it's just a matter of the fact that if someone is only eating for pleasure and
they're not doing it for strength and to get in the protein to be able to function, do
their job, they're just consuming calories just to kind of sit there and do nothing,
then it's wrong, which is exactly what princes do.
They just kind of eat for pleasure and they're not doing it for benefits.
They go to war or something, they just kind of live the lax life.
But OMAD is really good.
And if anybody does OMAD, I just recommend for them to skip breakfast, eat a good lunch,
and then skip the rest of the day or whatever.
And it's not like you eat a small meal at lunch or the one time you eat.
You eat a good amount.
You eat until you're full.
Yeah, you eat until you're full.
I'm just not doing it because of the fact that I'm still lifting.
It's hard to get all your protein in one meal.
It is, for sure.
And then too, I have body fat on me, which is working to my advantage when I lift because
mass moves mass.
And so I know that the more weight that I lose, because I am trying to lose weight,
I'm trying to cut a little bit since I can't deadlift, eventually my squat's going to go
down as well.
The numbers are going to go down.
But I probably should just bite the bullet and just do it and then just hit the restart
in January with the squats and deadlifts.
Because now I can close my fist because I had an injury from July.
I know this is not that amazing, but to me it's like this, I can do this.
I wasn't able to do this and I can do this.
And it's extremely painful to do this right now.
It hurts to do this.
But at least I can do it.
Before, I could only do this.
But I'm still not up to par to deadlift because the weight has to rest on your fingers
and any pressure on that finger.
It's a fracture, right?
No, it wasn't a fracture.
It was like a ligament, like a tearing of the ligament or something.
Okay.
Yeah.
So every day I have to kind of like, oh, by the way, Morrie said you have some sort of
finger exercising mechanism.
I do.
Can I use that?
Because I heard it strengthens the ligament.
And I'm like, why didn't Hike tell me about this device in times past?
But yeah, OMAD's good.
I loved the way I felt when I was doing OMAD though.
You also enjoy the food a lot more.
You're not ravenishly hungry during your one meal a day, but when you sit down you can
really, really enjoy it.
And it's like, yeah.
Yeah, and then when you do OMAD, when you have butter, it's almost sweet.
It tastes really good.
Everything tastes turned up a notch, basically.
It's very fun.
Nice.
Yeah.
I feel good doing the diet I'm on now.
Yeah.
I feel great.
And you're lifting.
Well, I mean, you were lifting, but you want to get back into lifting.
I do.
I want to get stronger.
Yeah.
I can't wait to get back into deadlifting.
I didn't get to reach my goal this year, but oh well.
This thing took me out for like four months.
Four months.
I'll never play basketball ever again.
Not with Geo anyway.
Yeah, not with Geo.
Yeah, Geo.
Yeah.
Forget basketball and Belize, Geo.
Yeah.
Don't stay away from me.
That giant, he like hurt me, man.
Geo and I were...
How could he?
Well, 4th of July, we were playing basketball and we crashed or something.
I don't remember what we did.
And then everyone was like, oh, your finger's fine.
It's fine.
It's not discolored.
Who says that?
Everyone was saying it.
We called them out too.
And I'm like, it hurts a lot.
And they're just like, oh no, it's good.
You're good.
It's not like...
Be the caster.
Oh, let me look at it.
Oh yeah, you're good.
You're good.
Here I am four months later.
It's like the young counselors.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it was bad.
Make your burden heavier.
But Keto, I will say this, for a while, I was stuck here and I couldn't go past this.
My finger couldn't move past this.
It was so tight and painful just to have it here.
And then when I got on Keto, immediately, I don't know, the inflammation went down and
I was able to move my finger and it wouldn't hurt.
And then I could actually close my fist like this and it wouldn't hurt.
So, obviously, the inflammation went down.
Yeah, it helps.
Take it easy anyway with injuries.
But for sure, this time around, I want to stay in the 200s.
Before I was just like, I want to go down to like 180, 195, but I'm not about that.
It all really depends on what you're going to do.
I'm not about that life anymore.
I think I want to be in the 200s now.
200s.
The 200.
200.
So, ketogenic diet, carnivore diet, OMAD.
It's all good.
Do it.
Stay away from vegetables.
I know Pastor Anderson is for vegetables.
I get it.
But I don't get it.
Does Pastor Anderson have a reason?
I think, I think, no, I don't know.
I don't know.
I think he thinks they're healthy.
You know, he probably just, he just adheres to that philosophy.
You know something interesting in the Bible?
But I will say this, it takes more character to eat liver than your vegetables.
Raw liver.
Well, I don't do raw liver.
But it takes way more character to eat liver and onions than it does vegetables.
And it's far more beneficial too.
What were you going to say?
In the Bible, there isn't, other than like garlic and onions, which is not really like
a vegetable at the end of the day.
But there's no vegetables named by name in the Bible.
And people will tell you like, oh, cucumbers.
Well, cucumbers are actually a fruit.
They're a melon.
So there's no vegetables named by name in the Bible.
They're only just called herbs.
So, but you see people eating all sorts of other things.
They eat all sorts of fruit.
They eat all sorts of meat.
They eat all sorts of like bread, obviously, like sourdough.
But there's no vegetables named that people eat in the Bible.
Yeah.
And then the one time where Daniel asked for pulse instead of the king's meat and his
face was fuller and fatter.
That's actually a miracle.
That was like a miracle that was performed.
It wasn't because the vegetables or the fruits or whatever.
And, you know, did him well.
Soy did him well.
It was just a miracle that he was able to be sustained.
Opposite of what should have happened.
Yeah.
It happened.
It was it was essentially God showing himself strong on his behalf because it wouldn't have
done anything if like you compare someone who eats meat to someone who eats pulse for
two weeks or whatever.
And you will see that a person who eats meat is actually fuller and fatter and more healthier
looking because vegans and vegetarians are just not like that.
They waste away.
So it's a miracle that he was actually able to be fuller and fatter in spite of the pulse.
You know.
So veganism is only, and vegetarianism, I guess, is only a diet that you're able to
do in the modern world because you have like all these vegetables shipped from around the
world year wide, like all this stuff.
But like you would not be able to do a vegan diet like two thousand years ago.
You have seasons and like the crops die and they grow and you have to rely on milk and
meat and stuff like that.
Or even a hundred years ago.
Yeah, even a hundred years ago.
Most civilizations, their diets all around the world.
Most of them, if not all of them, were never vegetarian or vegan.
They had some, some of them were carnivores.
Some of them were like, some of them had carbs like bread.
But.
Rice.
And the vast majority of them consumed a lot of fat.
Because you grow vegetables, you need land, right?
You need like wide open spaces you need to go.
I think so.
I think you do.
And who would grow vegetables rather than like keep livestock?
Right.
Cane, right?
Yeah.
Only cane.
Yeah.
You know, there's and people say people often say, well, you need vegetables for the fiber.
But that's like a myth, though.
There's so many myths when it comes to vegetables, dude.
It's like there's so many myths when it comes to diet, period.
I remember when I was in elementary school, the pyramid, the food pyramid, they had like
grains at the bottom, like you should eat most grains.
Like, dude, you have to have nine servings of pasta.
Well, a lot of people say they're like carnivore and keto are very they're like fad diets,
but they're not fad.
That's like saying like dispensationalism.
Well, that's like saying like dispensationalism has always been around or something.
Like dispensationalism is the new doctrine.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like grains and consuming vegetables.
That's like the new doctrine.
Yeah.
Because when you study history, the vast majority of people consumed animal based products.
That was like a big thing.
They would only go to vegetables in times of like starvation.
It's like, oh, I have to eat this root.
I have to eat this leaf because people are dropping dead around.
And they would major on fats because you need fats.
Like societies need fats.
Yeah.
You know, women need fats and especially when they're pregnant.
Yeah.
There's just like a lot of myths around diet and science.
And I think the biggest one is just you need your vegetables.
It's been pushed a lot.
It's just not true.
It's probably just like pushing people away from meat.
Well, that's probably been a conspiracy for the longest time.
That's what they're trying to do.
They want people to be weak, I think is the biggest thing.
Yeah.
I'm just thankful because as a kid, you know what I mean?
What kid likes vegetables, you know?
I grew up on Armenian barbecue.
It's good.
Yum.
This is all meat.
And then there's the whole bread argument, but that's not a good argument, though.
What bread argument?
Well, because they say like the Bible talks about bread.
But then it's just like, you know, it's not the same.
It's not the same.
The same bread.
The same wheat.
It's also it was all fermented, the bread.
They didn't have instant dry yeast that you could buy at the store or something like that.
Yeah.
That like pumpernickel bread?
No.
That's not what I'm talking about.
But yeah, pumpernickel bread, actually.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
Everything good?
Weird stuff, dude.
Being a pastor is just terrible.
Being a pastor is just different sometimes, you know?
Just dealing with stuff all the time.
Stuff never stops, man.
You know, it's 8 21 p.m.
Wow.
You work around the clock.
I do.
So speaking of that, cussing.
It just makes me want to.
So people are really like upset and, you know, because of the fact that like one of our pastor
friends dropped the F bond a while back or whatever.
Pastor Shelley.
What?
And we all preached about it.
We all talked about like our differing opinions on him and haters of the new IFB and those
who hate the new IFB but are in the new IFB but don't publicly say they hate the new IFB.
They like to take situations like that and capitalize upon them to try to like cause
division and all that.
And, you know, years ago I preached a sermon called Cussing in Light of the Bible where
I condemned like the F word and using cuss words or whatever.
And so people started like reposting that because they hate Pastor Shelley or whatever.
And they're like, oh, look, you know, he's saying this and saying and Pastor Shelley
is saying this and they're just kind of throwing it in my face or whatever.
Like, do you still believe this or whatever, you know?
And here's the thing is like any mature Christian.
By the way, anybody who like was our friend or is a friend of ours, our church and their
church, they're just like, well, you know, you probably changed opinions on it or whatever.
But the people who obviously hate the new IFB, they're just like, oh, man, this is gold.
Pull up the logs.
Yeah, exactly.
Pull up the comb.
And so I have changed my view on it.
And they could probably make this out as a clip if they want to.
But luckily, you know, the subject of cussing isn't about salvation.
It's not like a deep doctrine.
It's not like an essential doctrine, right?
It's a personal opinion.
It's a preference.
And I still hold to a lot of the views that I had when I preached that sermon.
You know, I definitely don't think that people should just be dropping F bombs sporadically
just in everyday conversation.
It's obviously words that have impact that people typically use when something crazy
happens or whatever it may be.
And so I don't think it should be a part of your everyday vocabulary.
And I think I'm pretty sure I said that in that sermon.
I was talking about that.
And another thing is the fact that, you know, cuss words are subjective.
And it's true.
And that, you know, and I've changed my opinion on that because it is true.
It is subjective.
And one of the reasons I changed my opinion on that is because of the fact that different
languages have different words that would be considered cuss words in one language and
not a cuss word in a different.
Or even within the same language, it could be a cuss word in one region where it's not
a cuss word in another.
So it's like, who is the one who holds the standard to say that is a cuss word?
And people say, well, the Bible says let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth.
Yeah.
But like you could apply that to pretty much anything.
Yeah.
And the Bible says so many things that they're even guilty of.
Of course.
So why are you trying to like.
But not only that, but it's just like nowhere in the Bible does it say like the F word is
a cuss word.
Right.
People can say, well, that is a cuss word.
Yeah.
And so this would apply to that.
But, you know, there's other languages out there that will use a specific cuss word that
is normalized in their society that, you know, we would consider a cuss word, but they don't.
It would be offensive to Americans, but not offensive to that particular people.
And we couldn't convince them otherwise because it is subjective.
Right.
You know what I mean?
I think the biggest thing is appropriateness, is learning when and where to say certain
things and when it is appropriate to say something or not.
And so people have tried to rub that in my face.
Do you still believe this and you're condemning Patrick Shelley and all that?
All these little girls just kind of just whining about my sermon or whatever, thinking
that I'm just going to be like, oh, man, I'm sorry or whatever.
I've changed my view on that long before Patrick Shelley preached that.
So I want to know what you think of this.
Tell me.
And so in Malachi, when he says, Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon
your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts, and one shall take you away with it.
Whenever I read that or when Paul says, I count it all but dung or whatever, whenever
I read that, obviously dung is not a bad word for us today, but it means, you know, excrement,
right?
So when I think Malachi was saying that to them or when Paul talks, but I don't think
he was saying like poopoo, poopoo on poopoo of your solemn feasts or crap of your solemn
feasts.
I think he was saying that because it had impact.
It was an impactful word.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
So obviously we, the meaning of dung has changed, but I think it was probably pretty vulgar
for him to be saying like dung on your faces.
Oh, yeah.
I don't think he was saying it in like a childish way.
You know what I mean?
So people are like, oh, like, well, were they sinning when they said that?
No, they used it appropriately because they were, you know, in its context, severe topics.
Yeah.
They were like insulting these false prophets.
They were bugging these false prophets.
Yeah.
Right.
And to like a lot of these people who are honestly just holier than the house.
They use the word faggot all the time.
Right.
I mean, obviously we don't consider that word to be a cuss word, but you know, there's
old IFP people that would consider that to be an improper, unclean cuss word.
I actually know some people who don't even say faggot in front of like women or something
like that who are in my because they think it's inappropriate.
Obviously this stuff is like subjective.
Right.
Yeah.
And then the people who say that who are against us would say, well, that's subjective.
You know what I mean?
We're talking about reprobates.
See, they would make a, they would come up with a reason why it's okay to use that term.
They would use it all day long, whereas they couldn't just step into any independent fundamental
Baptist church and use that term and not be spoken to by the pastor and say, hey, that's
inappropriate to say.
Right.
Obviously we wouldn't agree with him, but I'm just saying like, even those people recognize
that that word is subjective and they're like, well, that's different from like the f word.
Well, really?
Because other people would find that offensive if you were to say that.
Or like a perfect example in society, like white people can't say the n word, but black
people use it to refer to each other.
So that's another like perfect example of like, it's straight up subjective.
It depends on who you are or what the context is or who you're with.
Yeah.
Cause there's certain people who don't, who are black, who don't care about that.
They don't care who says it.
Other people, they do.
And at the end of the day, it becomes, and you can find two black people who have differing
opinions about that word and they'll never agree on that.
They'll never come to terms with, you know, they'll agree to disagree or whatever.
But yeah, I mean, I preached that sermon years ago and I think it's because of the fact,
I don't remember if it was like there was an issue or someone was just constantly dropping
it or something like that.
I don't really remember, but I will say that I probably agree with still 60 to 70, maybe
even 80% of what I said in that sermon because a lot of what I said was just being appropriate,
you know?
Yeah.
And, and, and just to make it clear, like I would, I don't ever want to drop that behind
the pulpit.
I don't think that's appropriate, but who cares?
You know, that's his church.
If that's, you know, I would never want to do something like that.
And I preach that too.
Like, that's not something that I would ever want to do.
I don't want any pastor coming to my church and doing that.
When you get offended on somebody else's behalf, if nobody in the church was offended, like
leave it alone.
And no one in this church was offended.
Nobody better than I, then don't worry about it.
Mind your own business.
I'm telling you, the reason they make a big deal about it is because they want to find
something that they can call out the new IFB on.
Because they're constantly...
They just take the new IFB.
Yeah.
They're Pharisees who are looking to catch people in their words.
That's just all it is.
And so, you know, they're just like constantly reposting it and constantly putting clips
out there.
I don't bat an eye at it because I don't really care because these people don't even really
matter.
You know what I mean?
And some of these people are some of the biggest hypocrites anyways.
They're some of the biggest hypocrites.
One of them just recently got kicked out of church, not our church, someone else's church.
And this is the same guy who was criticizing Pastor Shelley.
And he got kicked out of church.
But he was...
I told him, I was like, you're being a holier than thou for criticizing Pastor Shelley.
He was like, well, you know what, then I'd rather be a holier than thou.
Like when is it ever appropriate to ever want to be a holier than thou?
He's like, I'd rather be a holier than thou than not be a righteous person or something.
I was just like, what?
Is this according to you?
Like, what are you talking about?
Like when is that ever cool to say, you know what, I choose to be a holier than thou?
Like, dude, you obviously don't know the Bible.
And then, you know, they spam verses, a lot of people will spam verses to try to make
a point where they just throw a bunch of verses in there.
Look what the Bible says about this.
The Bible says plenty about this, but none of it has anything to do with it.
They'll say corrupt communication, or what is it, oh yeah, corrupt communication corrupts
good manners, evil communication corrupts good manners.
And they're like, that's what it's talking about.
But the previous verse says, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.
You know, and then he says, evil communication corrupts good manners, and he's referring
to the fact that not to just speak flippantly of what's going to happen tomorrow.
He's like, well, let's just eat and drink because tomorrow we die.
You're just being careless, that's going to corrupt your manner of living when you
speak like that.
And when the Bible says, let no corrupt communication proceed in the mouth, but that which is good
to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace into the here, he begins to talk about
put all malice away and evil speaking, and in context is referring to forgiving one another.
He defines what corrupt communication is.
He does.
And then, you know, it's in tandem with what the rest of the Bible says, that you don't
render evil for evil.
And I mean, like, if someone if a brother in Christ does evil to you, you don't just
reproach that person.
Is a word inherently in and of itself bad?
Any word?
Because a word is something to describe something, right?
So I don't know.
I mean, there's people I don't I personally don't think it's a sin.
I know, for example, you know, we have some of the guys at church think it's a sin.
I don't agree.
But we could agree to disagree.
Yeah.
And here's the thing.
There's people in our yeah, there's people in our church who think it's a sin.
And you know what?
That's OK.
If they want to think that, that's fine.
There's no problem with that, because it's not an essential doctrine.
People, these people try to make it like it's an essential.
They strain an ant and swallow a camel.
I think that some of the things that they're guilty of, like rebuking elders, like causing
division, railing.
Yeah.
These are things that are actually named in the Bible and you get thrown out of church.
Yeah.
I don't see anything in the Bible where you get thrown out of church for saying the F
word.
That pastor ought to step down.
Where in the Bible does it say?
Yeah.
He said he said the F word.
He's so I've heard some people say he said the F word that makes him disqualified to
be a pastor.
Yeah.
And here's the thing.
It's like people are trying to make it seem as though like he got up behind the pulpit
and was just like F Joe Biden.
Like that was his opinion.
He's like quoting in the context of the sermon.
Like to me, it was I think it was I think it was an extreme way to make like an extreme
point.
Yeah.
Like just when the prophets in the Old Testament preached naked, was it like, was it sinful
to be naked?
No, he was making like a he was making an extreme point by demonstrating it like, you
know, so.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, you know, I remember when I went to go when I was in Aruba and I was preaching
in Spanish, a lot of Venezuelan's are there and my my my family are from they're from
Guatemala.
And so I was saying a particular word in Spanish and I just kept saying it and saying it and
saying it.
And in Guatemalan Spanish, it's just not a cuss word.
It's a strong word, but it's not would it be considered a cuss word?
What was it referring to?
Being lazy.
OK.
I think that was that was the word.
And then someone came up to me and it's just like, that was a great sermon.
Just, you know, that one word, you know, that's a really dirty word.
And I'm like, really?
Because to us, it's not like the Guatemalans is not dirty.
I didn't know that.
He's like, oh, yeah.
To Venezuelans is like really bad word.
I'm like, oh, it's even within Spanish cultures.
One would be considered a dirty word and one would, you know, one culture would not.
So who would be the right one?
You see what I'm saying?
Right.
You can't really say you can't really, you know, and I'm tired of people teaching things
from the Bible that are not really there as they're violating scriptures that are.
That means that.
So if you're in Guatemala, you can say that word.
But then if you say that word, well, in Venezuela, you're saying, yeah, exactly, exactly.
It's like obviously I didn't know that that's what they would consider.
I've never, you know, preached to a Venezuelan congregation before and no one really bad
in a night.
Even the person who came to talk to me, they were just kind of like, whatever about it.
They didn't really care.
They're just telling me like that word in particular for Venezuelans is bad or whatever.
I don't know, because in Guatemala it's not.
But, you know, it's just a classic example of someone who, you know, binds heavy burdens,
grievous to be born, but they're not lifting one of the commandments up with their own
finger.
They violate scriptures.
They make the commandments of God void through their traditions because they're trying to
establish a tradition that cussing is sinful as they're violating scripture themselves
by rebuking an elder, which the Bible clearly says you shouldn't, railing, backbiting, evil
speaking of others, you know.
And the guy, one of the guys who was doing this guy just recently got kicked out of church,
of a fundamental Baptist church.
And I can see why.
He's just a complete idiot.
And so, there it is, folks.
Cut that.
Slip, you know, make a short out of that.
A pastor goes back on salvation?
No.
Goes back on replacement theology?
No.
Goes back on the Trinity?
No.
Goes back on, you know, the Bible, the King James Bible?
No.
Another issue that doesn't even matter, which just doesn't matter, and that people want
to make it matter because they want something to be able to point the new IFP at, you know,
because they want the new IFP to have a chink in the armor.
They want to find some flaw.
They want to find a breach in the armor because they just want to take the new IFP down.
But you can't take the new IFP down because the new IFP is not a movement or is not a
denomination.
It's a movement of local New Testament churches.
And they're going to find themselves fighting against God anyways because these are His
churches.
Anyways, folks, that's where I stand on end.
I don't bat an eye.
I don't feel wrong about it at all because throughout the years, I'm probably going to
change my views on some things, but not anything that's essential.
I'll probably, you know, learn more and grow more.
People act like pastors can't make mistakes or something like that, like they just can't
like grow and mature.
It's like they've never read the New Testament of all the people who knew Jesus just making
all these mistakes.
Just rest assured that there's going to be some loser out there who's always going to
be like, oh, you change your stance on one thing to another.
Okay, great.
Well, most of these people are not even in church.
I think that's...
Waste your whole life going over like hours and hours of sermons and find something that
pastor has.
People are like that who will literally listen to all my sermons and just make themselves
even more reprobated.
Just come to church, bro.
They just don't have full-time jobs or something.
People like, whereas people in my church, they listen to me three times a week, you
know, and they come to church, they soul-win, they're actually serving God.
They're actually serving God.
They're actually like preaching the gospel.
They're actually like discipling others.
Not being busybodies online.
Yeah, whatever.
And shame on the pastors who support those idiots, too.
McMurtry.
Yeah.
Shame on them.
I mean, I marked that guy a long time ago for biblical reasons.
So, anyways, that was a good episode.
No...
Nah, probably not.
Okay.
Yeah, we're at 8.38.
I think that's good, right?
I bet.
That's pretty good.
I mean, it was like an hour and a half or something?
Yeah.
That was a good long episode there.
You'll have...
Yeah.
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