Many three years ago, two aircraft slammed into the Twin Towers in Manhattan, another
hit the Pentagon, and a fourth plane crashed in Pennsylvania due to a heroic suicide mission
to prevent further attacks in our country.
In addition, another 47-story skyscraper described as Building 7 fell due to office fires.
As a result, we received the Patriot Act, a war in the Middle East, and blessing of
TSA.
For many, the question still remains, what really happened and who did it?
Was Osama bin Laden really the mastermind behind one of the largest terror operations
ever performed, or is there more to the story?
Officials uncovering the truth assure us Middle Eastern terrorists are responsible due to
hard evidence.
Not video evidence of them at the airport, not the black boxes from the planes.
They weren't recovered, but their passports were recovered.
We were lucky that the jet fuel only melted steel beams and destroyed skyscrapers, but
left passports intact.
Will the truth of what happened in New York City, that fateful date, finally crawl out
of the hidden sewer tunnels?
I have to warn you.
If you ask questions about this event, you may be labeled as someone with the Baptist
bias.
Thanks for joining us on the Baptist bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley.
We've got an exciting show.
It's September 10th, just on the eve of September 11th, and what a great day to decide to talk
about what happened about 23 years ago.
And I'm excited.
We have a great guest, probably the best guest you could have for a show like this.
We're going to be bringing on Richard Gage here in a moment.
But before I do, I want to introduce my co-host, Ben, I didn't realize that passports were
indestructible.
That's pretty incredible.
Jet fuel can't melt paper, I think is what we've learned here according to the official
narrative on 9/11.
But it's a really important show tonight.
And I'm very excited about our guest, Richard Gage, Pastor Shelley, could you tell us just
a little bit more about who we have on the air with us tonight?
He's very credentialed and so I wanted to kind of read something here, but we're going
to welcome a San Francisco Bay area architect, Richard Gage, AIA member of the American Institute
of Architects.
He now leads the charge for a new World Trade Center investigation, along with his courageous
wife Gail, at richardgage911.org.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
How's it going?
It is good, gentlemen.
Thanks for having me here.
This is an awesome opportunity to get the word out about 9/11, hopefully to a whole
bunch of people who are unfamiliar with the evidence of the destruction of the three World
Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11.
Now this is something that you have spent a long time researching.
I'm kind of curious though, why did you get involved?
Why did you even start this personal journey of researching this topic?
Was this something personal to you?
I mean, if you're in San Francisco, that's pretty far from New York City.
So I'm just kind of curious, you know, why did you, what piqued your interest about this
topic?
Well, I didn't know anything.
I'd never heard any alternative theory about how the towers might have come down or that
there was a third tower that came down.
World Trade Center Building 7, didn't have a clue.
2006, I'm on my way back from a construction observation meeting.
I'm hearing David Ray Griffin on the radio, who's written now 14 books on the subject
of what happened, what really happened at 9/11.
He was talking about the ends of the beams dripping with molten metal, explosive evidence
from the testimonies of the first responders.
We'll get into all of that today, but it just threw me.
I mean, I was a flag-waving Reagan Republican.
I wanted to go into Afghanistan and get those bastards who did this to us and Iraq.
Turns out none of them had anything to do with 9/11.
Yeah.
Do you remember where you were when you saw the first tower being hit?
Did you see it live on television or did you see the second plane?
Yeah.
The second plane hit the tower that was on TV and I'm getting ready for work and I'm
just watching TV and I'm just shocked.
I see the towers coming down.
They already had an explanation for it due to the jet fuel and all of that.
We're going to destroy that whole myth today.
That's great.
Yeah.
I was in high school geometry class and I remember we were watching the first tower
and then pretty much just live on television we saw the second tower get struck.
Probably later we saw both of them fall and it was definitely chaotic.
I think a lot of people were very shook up by those incidents and it definitely changed
the course of our nation.
We've transformed as a nation greatly due to this particular event and I think it's
important for us to talk about it because I too took a long time to realize that not
only did two buildings fall that day, actually a third building fell and I don't know for
me personally, I've talked to a lot of people that believe just exactly what's been told
about this particular event and for me, I've just kind of told people, "Well, just research
building seven."
That seems to be to me the biggest smoking gun of this whole conversation.
I don't know, from your perspective, do you have another proof or something that you'd
like to start out with when you're discussing this issue with someone that's maybe a little
skeptical or doesn't know anything about it?
Well, that's the first one I go to because nobody died in building seven, according to
the official narrative, and its destruction is so easily recognizable for all of us.
We have a frame of reference with which to process that building's destruction, unlike
the Twin Towers, which were a very explosive destruction that we'll talk about.
Building seven was a classic implosion, just like the old hotels here in Las Vegas that
are brought down by controlled demolition.
Everybody sees it.
Everybody understands it.
So we show something familiar, something that's not as associated with the shock and horror
and death that we were processed with psychologically, psychological warfare.
This was against the American people.
So once people see that there's no way around building sevens controlled demolition, then
you realize that was part of the conspiracy of 9/11 and then they're more open to seeing
the evidence that we're going to be talking about today with regard to the Twin Towers.
Well and before we get started, someone had posted in the comments that they actually
had some hard evidence on who was responsible.
Dylan Oz said that it was actually Ben.
What do you have to save yourself?
Where were you on September 11th, 23 years ago?
Actually, I was in Lebanon that day.
I was on the beach, because of the time difference.
My family took me to the beach.
So was your cousins.
That's what the official narrative says, but I thought the whole point of tonight's podcast
was to debunk that.
Yeah.
So you know what?
Keep me out of it, okay?
Okay.
But no, I was on the beach in Lebanon at that time.
I lived there at the time as a young boy.
It's one of those events, all kidding aside, it is one of those events where people always
talk about where they were when it happened.
Yep.
Some people were even dancing, but we'll go ahead and-
That's true.
There were some dancing folks from this region.
Well, let's start with-
That was good.
Let's start with-
You've done your homework.
Let's start with whatever you'd like to talk about first here on this particular issue.
Is 9/11 an inside job?
Is the official narrative correct?
What would you like to share first?
Well, let's look at the evidence.
It's hard to look at.
It takes a lot of courage.
It took a lot of courage for me.
I had to rethink everything because as I'm hearing all this evidence we're going to be
talking about today, I'm going to myself, "This can't be true."
Because if this were true, oh my God, the Congress would be in on it, the administration,
the media, and other countries, because nobody for six years that I heard was talking about
the truth about what really happened here.
So for instance, this third tower, we didn't know about it.
I'm one of 90,000 members of the American Institute of Architects.
Guess what?
They didn't issue one bulletin on this.
The third worst structural failure in modern history, you know, after the Twin Towers
Building 7, was it.
And so it wasn't hit by a plane, right?
This is a 47-story skyscraper, easily the tallest building in most of our states, just
dwarfed next to the Twin Towers here, but it was about a football field a length away
from the towers.
And here it is surviving the collapse of the towers, a few of the beams hit it, but NIST,
the National Institute of Standards and Technology, who was tasked by Congress to explain these
collapses to the American people, they said, "No, that damage was not a part of the initiation
of collapse."
So, well, what was?
Well, let's look at the collapse first and see what happens.
Here is building seven.
The East penthouse in the upper left falls first in an isolated incident, untied to the
rest of this building's global collapse, which begins now, six seconds later.
Now, again, I think we've seen this before, so we can recognize it.
Well, NIST says, "No, don't worry, everybody."
This was seven years later, by the way, after 9/11.
This is what Shom Sunder of NIST says.
Oops, where'd he go?
Ah, he says it collapsed primarily due to fires.
Well, wait a minute, fires?
What fires?
Oh, those fires, they're few, they're small, and they're scattered throughout the building.
These are the worst fires that we have any photographic or video evidence of in the building.
Hey, guess what?
Fires have never in history brought down a steel frame, fire protected structure, a high
rise.
No, it hasn't happened, even though we've had much hotter, larger, and longer lasting
fires in these buildings, including after 9/11, where we have these fully engulfed skyscrapers
and many more than this actually, that have never come down.
So we have an unprecedented event claimed by NIST to be brought down by fires, never
happened in history.
Well, what could have?
What does it look like?
Let's see.
Here's a set of controlled demolitions on the right, building seven on the left.
Is there any similarity?
Well, is there enough similarity to warrant an investigation into the possible use of
explosives, especially since the official narrative, fire, has never brought down a skyscraper in
history.
Maybe it should have been the first hypothesis they looked at, right?
But no, it was relegated to a set of very frequently asked questions ten years later
on their website.
We have to ask ourselves, does it have any of the features of typical controlled demolition?
Like, for instance, does the building come straight down?
That's one of the features.
Yeah, pretty straight down, pretty symmetrical.
Well, how do they do that?
Guess what?
They have to remove all 24 core columns at once, within an instant of each other, followed
about a second later, instantly, all the perimeter columns.
Any deviation in that pattern, the building begins to tip over.
So we've got to ask ourselves, could these fires cause that level of precision, the destruction
of columns?
Of course, the answer is no.
See how easy this is?
A seventh grader can pull this together.
And yet the whole engineering world has been bamboozled.
Well, very few of them actually heard the official report by NIST.
So we have to ask ourselves then, what could have brought this down?
Any evidence of thermite, an incendiary used by the military to cut through steel, like
a hot knife through butter?
And yes, FEMA put it out in their original 2002 report.
What do they say in this metallurgical examination of the steel?
Ever before observed, eutectic reactions, the intergranular melting causing a solid
steel girder to turn into Swiss cheese.
Like this piece of World Trade Center 7 steel, guess what?
This does not happen in office fires.
Steel is not flammable.
It doesn't fall apart like this, even when it's not fire protected.
They also found rapid oxidation, sulfidation, liquid iron, that's molten iron.
That's 3,000 degree temperatures.
Steel, I mean, office fires don't even get to be 500, maybe 1,000 degrees, but not 3,000.
But liquid iron and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.
This is amazing, guys.
This is what thermite does.
It is not what even jet fuel does.
Jet fuel doesn't burn hotter than 600 degrees Fahrenheit according to the manufacturer in
open air.
But here we have temperatures exceeding 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit in the material held by
the crab claw excavators dripping with molten metal.
We can get an indication of the temperature of molten metals by the color.
So we know, that's just the physics of it, we know how hot this stuff was.
But this is like four to six times hotter than office fires.
What could have caused this?
Well, is there any evidence of unignited thermite?
Because that was evidence of ignited thermite.
Yeah, a team of eight international scientists looks through the rubble and they find what?
They study this material and they find that the red layer is of these red-gray chips which
are not paint.
They thought it was paint, but it's attracted by a magnet.
So it's not paint and it has a high iron content.
The XEDS shows that.
So they found what can only be active unreacted thermitic material incorporating nanotechnology.
It's a highly energetic pyrotechnic material.
This stuff, when they put it in a heater, a differential scanning calorimeter to measure
the resultant energy when it's ignited.
It's ignited temperatures, 800 degrees, but it produces a lot of energy after that, proving
it's thermitic materials.
Paint doesn't do that, so they know it's not paint.
And it also produces molten iron microspheres, which are found abundantly by the U.S. Geological
Survey in their studies of the dust.
So with regards to building seven, and in the case of these extreme temperatures, the
Twin Towers also, we have the ten key characteristic features of controlled demolition.
Fire doesn't create any one of these features, let alone all ten of them.
With additional circumstantial corroborative evidence and testimony, we find this proof
that's in fact impressed more than 3,600 architects and engineers to now sign the petition demanding
a new investigation into the destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers.
As we got to get to the truth here, many of these experts will appear in our new film
series 9/11 Crime Scene to Courtroom.
We just premiered episode one last night.
So I encourage everybody to check this out at 911C2C.org.
And when you get there, you'll see that the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry and their
litigation director particularly, Mick Harrison and I partnered up to make this film.
We were filmed in Washington D.C. with all this evidence, all of our experts.
And now we're putting out one episode at a time on all of those key features of controlled
demolition.
And it is a powerhouse.
Encourage everybody to watch it.
You can see it at the website, richardgage911.org as well.
And I'll stop and breathe before we jump into the Twin Towers so we can talk about Building
7.
Yeah.
That was great information.
And I'm interested in that episode that you mentioned to us.
You said it was 911C2C.org.
And then I believe your other website that we had plugged earlier, the Richard Gage 911.
And so that's pretty cool.
But you know, as you were talking about this, I was kind of wondering, who's the architect
of these buildings?
Because you would think like, if this is the only building in history to come down due
to fires, wouldn't the logical conclusion be to try and figure out who that is or the
construction company?
So I was just kind of looking it up.
Maybe get terrorism insurance.
I guess it was Emory, Roth and Sons that was the company that architected it.
And then Tishman Realty and Construction were the ones who constructed the building, which
this is another thing I thought was interesting when I looked at Tishman.
They actually were then contracted to then build the World Trade Center after it had
been demolished.
It's kind of amazing to me to think that like these buildings were constructed to withstand
airplanes hitting them and fires but they had the worst collapse imaginable and then they hired the
exact same people to do the reconstruction of these particular events in fact tishman also got
several other projects says bank of america tower one world trade center four seasons hotel
four world trade center three world trade center um 30 hudson yards one manhattan west
11 hoyt one vanderbilt these are all post 2001 where they acquired several contracts to build
several large buildings is it not a little bit weird that the construction company that
arguably had one of the worst failures ever is then contracted again to construct all these projects
maybe um but i prefer the evidence to speculation can you hear me yeah go ahead i prefer the
evidence that we're talking about here to speculating about the about uh things like that
because it it it's irrefutable it's overwhelming uh it is scientific and um everybody gets it so
so yeah i you want some strange stories larry silverstein has publicly uh mentioned that he
started the design of the new world trade center seven before nine eleven oh one in fact in april
why would you design a whole new skyscraper for a building that is still standing to be put in its
place that's a that is that is a interesting thought we'll let you continue with some of
your presentation because it's very gripping oh i think so too i that's why i've been able to
stay with this stuff uh for 18 years uh plus i was so angry when when i mean when i realized that i
had been scammed in fact most people in the world what 80 90 percent of the people just swallowed
like me the official narrative hook line and sinker i mean these are buildings and and i'm
an architect why there were no other architects and engineers for 9/11 truth uh before i realized
that it somehow fell on my shoulders i mean i'd never done a presentation before i'm not an
activist what do i know about this stuff so uh there fortunately there were some high quality
engineers stephen jones kevin ryan jim hoffman and david chanler many others who you know just
helped were already wrestling this stuff to the ground but where were the architects and engineers
they were just suspiciously missing uh these are these other guys are researchers and scientists
but just look at the twin towers now i mean each of these fell identically which is why i'm showing
them at once though in reality they in their own footprint 15 minutes apart well outside of their
own footprint these are very explosive events we have freely flying laterally ejected four and eight
tons structural steel sections ejected at 80 miles an hour laterally this is not a collapse how does
gravity work down this is out and what's trailing these thick these structural steel sections thick
white smoke clouds now think about this steel is not flammable so each of them are trailing
what can only be given the evidence that we've already shown and and proven in more depth on
our website richard gage 9 11 uh is steel trailed by aluminum oxide ash which is the
other byproduct of thermite again thermite is an incendiary used by the military to cut through
steel like a hot knife through butter and shaped cutter charges that use thermite were invented
and patented prior to 9 11 so this in in this case particularly building seven we have what's
obviously it can only be a building whose columns and beams were severed one from another by
pre-placed shaped cutter charges using thermite which is quieter than the normal loud bangs of
controlled demolition but there were so many of them thousands many many many hundreds every third
floor or so in this case we have the roar of of hundreds of individual explosions that everybody
described as a roar but there's also 186 first responders who are witnesses of explosions in the
oral testimonies let out finally after lawsuits to the new york times and they published them
interestingly and and 186 of them are talking about explosions mostly before the towers ever
collapsed it's pretty darn interesting so we look at the features of controlled demolition with
regard to the twin towers and we find oh yeah in fact look at the leading wave of these
explosions which are traveling symmetrically down the face of all four faces of each tower
what i'm seeing is dozens of explosions individual explosions in this looped video
which can only be have been pre-placed explosives in in this building these are not nuclear weapons
going off this is not directed energy softening the steel so the building could collapse this is
clearly explosions going off and we have the evidence of much more witnesses of explosions
for instance they say like here popping all around the building like like in a demolition
they say one of them pop pop pop all around the building we have the witnesses of these explosions
going off many of them say before the towers collapsed many others say flashes of light going
off at various levels of the building before the tower ever collapsed you can definitely see all
this online at richardgage911.org so we have to realize that the truth about this event is a real
dark one uh we we have to take the time to look at the evidence and then be convinced you don't
believe or disagree with something until you've looked at the evidence of it and most people will
not cannot actually in many cases allow themselves to look at it because if and when they do it will
change their world as it did mine you know i want to i want to comment on this because you shared a
post on x that um was also in kind of the same vein of what you're talking about here and it's
a video of one of the twin towers collapsing and it shows plumes being ejected out of the windows
well before you see the quote pancaking and so yeah there's back those occurred 20 stories down
below the zone of destruction they occur 40 and even 60 stories down below the zone of destruction
you see solid objects blown out of there this is not air being pushed out uh this is a clearly uh
probably a mistimed but definitely an explosion i mean you can see that well in advance you see
that ben yeah you can clearly see how did you plan that this month you can clearly see the uh
the first time viewers i'm lebanese in case you're wondering why he keeps making that joke
uh you can clearly see the plume of smoke coming out there and you know in addition what i think
is compelling evidence as well are those explosions you showed there uh mr gage the explosions down
the face of the tower of course they occurred on all four faces as you mentioned but when you see
that with your very eyes i think it definitely points to some kind of explosion and additionally
the eyewitnesses you bring up and and you're right i mean i would invite everybody i just
want to echo this richard gage 911.org make sure you go there and you can see some of this for
yourself but there have been many eyewitnesses who've come out and said yeah i heard explosions
prior to these towers pancaking in on themselves i heard explosions i heard a loud boom and in fact
somebody in the chat room here is also making the same claim he says this is always baptist he says
the majority of new yorkers knew it was a controlled demolition as we watched it implode into dust
we can hear even across the river the booms we all thought they had bombs also so the thing is
that many people heard these sounds and when you couple those eyewitness testimonies with the video
you're seeing right now folks i think it it just tells the story for you i mean the news reporters
at first even said that i remember being in school and them saying that there was many reports of
explosives in the buildings and they just kind of eventually stopped talking about that but for a
while they were saying there's many reports of bombs being in the buildings in the basements in
the lower levels many reports they they even had some of the testimonials of firefighters of just
witnesses and general people talking about this and then it was just kind of like forgotten just
we we don't we don't talk about that anymore we don't know and it just kind of disappeared
and now we're just talking about going in dirac and the patriot act and all these oh yeah beating
the war drums and a question for you uh mr gauge you know one thing that some might ask is when it
comes to the evidence of thermite i think that's compelling for sure but i saw a nat geo clip you
may be familiar with it i think you were actually in the clip they interviewed you and one of the
questions they had is well if there was a controlled demolition that took place on that day
wouldn't there be evidence of actual explosive devices like wires or something to that effect
that someone would have unearthed in the rubble some might ask that question how would you react
to that I guess objection to everything that we've been listening to so far first of all
there's wireless devices these days you know this they were developed in the 80s this is 2001
so that objection doesn't make sense second of all we're talking largely particularly in building
seven thermitic shaped cutter charges there are also patented devices which are made out of iron
elemental iron not steel but actual iron well iron is the there'd be nothing left of it except a pool
of molten iron which was found by the first responders and discovered pools all over the
place in fact molten irons pouring out of the south tower minutes prior to its collapse the
first responder described molten steel they call it up rolling down the channel rails meaning the
channels of the eye beams that are all over the place so we again we also have within two weeks
after 9/11 the systematic scrubbing up of all of the steel before investigators could get their
hands on it and do a proper forensic investigation it was sent over by truckloads and the trucks were
brought in starting the day of 9/11 in huge caravans hundreds of trucks long so they must
have been ordered these trucks well before that it could never have assembled such a convoy but
these trucks took the steel to Staten Island to be put on barges sent to China for recycling
in fact prompting Bill Manning editor in chief of fire engineering magazine crucial evidence he
cries out that could answer many questions is on the slow boat to China showing an astounding
ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough scientific evidence investigation
the the destruction of evidence must stop immediately but it wasn't so we we have that
is one answer to your question is where did the evidence go yeah i'm kind of curious too because
just just for veracity of these claims but i've heard it said many times that the world trade
center was one of the world's largest gold repositories as far as underneath the twin
towers is that something that uh you've ever researched at all as far as the fact that this
was a gold repository i have heard that and uh i haven't seen much proof of it there was a gold
heist going on it seems to be common knowledge in the 9/11 truth movement but i i don't i haven't
seen documentation of it but they again i i've seen a lot of aerial clips of the twin towers post
these events and they're showing they're still kind of molten lava hot readings off the chart
as far as temperature taking just really i think weeks almost to extinguish some of the flames from
this particular event you know i'm not an expert in controlled demolition but in in control
demolitions that are regularly scheduled do they really have this pool of lava and this long of a
delay to extinguish flames or is this uh kind of unique to the to this event it's completely unique
the hot spots were recorded by uh nasa flights with infrared sensitive cameras and they show
uh underneath building one two and seven and also six by the way which is interesting uh these
incredible uh temperatures uh months well uh weeks and the other sources cite uh three months
before they could get the fires out but these hot spots are as hot as the hottest office fires
ever get well where are they coming from there were no office fires on the surface and that's
what they're measuring is surface temperatures they're measuring something much hotter deeper
down uh that is cooling off to 1300 1400 degrees fahrenheit by the time it reaches the surface
there were plenty of witnesses of of molten metal dripping off the beams and they're pulling up these
beams out of the pile and they're just freaked out about all of this molten metal again there's no
accounting for this phenomena in the official narrative whatsoever you know i'm kind of curious
to about the pentagon and the i believe that the part that was struck um it was reinforced at some
point uh shortly prior to uh this particular event as well as i'm kind of interested in the trajectory
i believe that according to the official narrative the plane that struck the pentagon actually had
knocked over several telephone poles and some other things on its journey and pathway to the pentagon
i'm not sure do you have any uh information or some clarity on what happened there with the pentagon
well we have in the official narrative the plane that hit hit or was alleged to have hit the pentagon
was flown by hanny honger who failed sesna flying school they wouldn't even rent him a plane he was
so bad of a of a student so and yet this plane comes in toward the pentagon uh drops 8 000 feet
at 3000 feet per minute uh in an accelerating corkscrew pattern and continues and hits the
pentagon perfectly at ground level into the wedge of the pentagon that was remodeled as you suggest
interestingly and wiped out the the uh group of pentagon i think it was naval intelligence
who was responsible for auditing the pentagon uh and who died they were looking for the 2.3
trillion dollars that donald rumsfeld had mentioned the night before was unread unaccountable
for in the in the pentagon budget so they wiped out the auditing uh team there so i mean nothing
should have hit the pentagon this is the most highly defended building in the world and this
was what an hour almost before excuse me after both towers were hit by planes to the pentagon
uh you know they have people with stinger missiles up there if they wanted to bring it down they
could have but uh dick cheney uh was asked several times the plane is 50 miles out the plane is 30
miles out the plane is 10 miles out uh do you do the order still stand sir uh of course the
order still stand did i give you any reason uh otherwise to believe otherwise and and so the
plane then hits the pentagon or whatever hit the pentagon that's a discussion in the 9/11 truth
movement that is ongoing but nothing should have hit it yeah i think the shape is kind of interesting
in that particular uh narrative as far as what struck the uh pentagon because it doesn't seem
like the two maiden engines left a footprint just kind of a large circular hole and i also again
find it interesting that if you're coming on a trajectory down from these from the sky at such
an incredible rate that you could potentially knock over a telephone pole not graze any of the
lawn and then yet still hit the pentagon building that's kind of an that was an interesting flight
maneuver maybe that's why he you know failed flight school because he was just too advanced
for those for those pilots out there because i'm just gonna say i don't think any pilot could pull
that off that was a once in a lifetime event ben did you do some home training on that or how does
that work no in fact it's aerodynamically impossible for something like that to have it
especially a boeing what is a 757 or uh one i think yeah it was 757 so yeah that that aircraft
would have go ahead mr gauge i'll show you something that's aerodynamically impossible also
this is the the the world trade center north tower and we're told that it uh it fell
and crushed the rest of the building below it but you can see right away that it the upper sections
telescoping in on itself it's not crushing anything below in fact let me make it easier
for you oh that's interesting um you can see uh above my mouse there's no movement from here down
look at that there's um it's destroying itself or being destroyed from within so we have to
remember this um the the upper part couldn't destroy the lower part it's the lightest part
of this right look at that that is really crazy i'm sorry to interrupt but i just had to say
something look look at how much taller the bottom part is than the top part and they want you to
think and i know this sounds very simplistic here but the top part somehow was able to destroy the
entire building i mean that's just insane to me go ahead i'm sorry not only that but the the top
part's the weakest part it's the lightest part the columns in the building uh it's it's like a
volkswagen running into a mac truck and destroying it and that's the official narrative right the
upper part destroys the lower part and then destroys itself and this was put out believe
it or not just two days after 9/11 by zdenek bazant of chicago northwestern university
and this theory remains the official uh backup for the nist column failure theory and and this
paper that he used to support his thesis has he only had two days to do it the rest of us are
freaking out right we didn't know when the next plane was coming who is attacking us what are
the problems not this guy and again it suffers from a huge credibility problem again the top
part of a structure is the weakest look at the column sizes and at the at the at the lightest
they're the lightest at the top and then as you go down they get heavier and heavier and
heavier until at about mid height you're 36 inches by 16 inches two inches thick but they
get heavier and heavier and heavier as you go down until they're 52 inches by 22 which is almost
solid steel at the bottom so it makes no sense so look at look at the bottom red line for instance
at the point of plane impacts it's not going down so the it's a lie the top part is not crushing
the lower part it's being destroyed within by what we'll talk about that i mean it's almost
incinerated it's almost incinerated before it reaches that point yeah and the weight and
the weight of that building had already been held up like it was being held up by this particular
structure so you'd almost have to ask what weight is even left to pull the rest of the building down
at that point i mean we're gonna get to that too i mean oh yeah and if it was there it it we'd see
it right crushing the the below part no it was gone in the first three seconds after that it looks
more like a volcanic eruption which you see on the right if you can't tell them apart that's the north
tower on the left oh man and is with with upward outward arching streamers a geometry of fireworks
freely flying molten objects which is why you get these thick white smoke clouds in the case of the
towers of aluminum oxide ash so yeah it looks more like a volcanic that is see we didn't have this in
our minds on 9/11 or for the years after that for me for five six years when i finally got a hold
of this evidence which includes these few remaining core columns that what would have been crushed by
that upper section of north and south towers if they were crushing the part below they would
have crushed this too but no it it remains so something else is going on there it's not this
the top part crushing the lower part it's explosions blowing away the building leaving intact
these few remaining core columns standing almost a thousand feet in the air and this was all missed
by NIST missed on purpose it's a complete Potemkin village this particular
effort this cover-up and they had 20 million dollars to cover this up and and they did but
this evidence remains like the 186 first responders documented oral histories covered commissioned by
the night the fire commissioner and 12 000 pages were read by professor Graham McQueen and what
did he find we felt the ground shake one of these 186 says you could see the tower sway and then
it just came down all of a sudden the ground just started shaking felt like a crane running
under my feet the next thing we know we look up and the tower is collapsing it shook my bones
shortly before the first tower came down i remember feeling the ground shaking i heard a terrible
noise and then debris just started flying everywhere i saw flash flash flash at the lower level of the
building you know like when they demolish a building with each popping sound it was initially an orange
and a red flash came out of the building then it would just go all the way around the building at
both sides guys there's 186 of these i saw a number of brief light sources being emitted from
inside the building between floors 10 and 15 you saw about six of these brief flashes accompanied
by a crackling sound before the tower collapsed i saw low level flashes i saw flash flash flash
and then it looked like the building came down an explosion appeared at the very top simultaneously
from all four sides materials shot out horizontally and then there seemed to be a momentary delay
before you could see the beginning of the collapse you see how specific these expert witnesses are
it's incredible and then we have to ask ourselves did this building come straight down well the the
the destruction zone these waves of destruction indeed came straight down in fact let's look at
the leading corner of those and you see individual explosions in this looped video i see about a
dozen of them these can only have been pre-placed charges on the exterior of the building going off
floor by floor but nobody focuses in on this stuff just like niss didn't focus in on those
first responder eyewitness accounts of explosions they they ignored all of them 186 of them claiming
and we interviewed 116 witnesses well they missed every one of those and they missed these
isolated explosive ejections occurring 20 stories down below the zone at 40 stories below the zone
of destruction and they even occur as far down as 60 stories down below no explanation whatsoever
as you pointed out before in that excellent example and in this case on the left side of
the south tower as it begins to lean right because its foundation at the point of plane impacts has
been disrupted individual squibs that's what they call them in the controlled demolition industry
about a dozen of them in this looped video completely destroying the integrity
of the top of the tower which is why it didn't fall off onto the floor but then after that you
have these structural steel sections impaling skyscrapers all around them landing up to 600
feet away in fact freely flying structural steel sections weighing four and eight tons
in this uh start stop video especially this one whoa what's that it's freely flying it's not like
a banana peeling off the side of the towers back whoops back to forward to back to it's starting
out horizontal how does a gravity driven collapse do that no they don't do that and so this piece
is shot out of the tower and is landing on building seven which is extraordinary there's it takes
enough energy to do that to hurl a 200 pound cannonball three miles this is an extraordinary
feature of the destruction by the way if that's true and we just showed that it was if a hundred
thousand tons of steel framing in each of these towers is distributed outside the footprint you
got to ask yourself the question right what's crushing the building oh wait a minute let's
maybe it's the concrete feature number eight pulverized concrete let's look at the concrete
because there's 110 floors of four and eight inch thick concrete poured on metal decking
supported by lightweight steel trusses where's all that concrete it's not at the bottom we don't
find 50 of them we don't find 10 of them we don't find one acre size floor where we have pancakes in
pancaking collapses we're looking for 110 of these we don't find one so what is really going on here
it's missing where's the concrete oh there it is it's pulverized in midair 90,000 tons of
concrete pulverized to a fine powder all the photos videos show just that night and in 100 micron
particles average it's like an ash uh and where did it go oh all around manhattan from river to
river is covered with a three inch square three inch thick blanket of six percent concrete excuse
me 30 percent concrete because it's these tests have been done by the u the u.s geological well
wait a minute uh u.s geologic usgs if 90 000 tons of concretes pulverized and spread over
three square miles what is crushing the building so it wasn't the steel and it sure as heck is not
the concrete wait a minute i thought all that stuff concrete and steel which is like by the way
three quarters of the weight of this building incredible is crushing it but it's not there
and yet this guy zdenek bazant from chicago from northwestern university in chicago uh who did this
mathematical genius paper proving to the world uh nist's theory that it was crushed by the weight
up above they not only used that weight which is fraudulent in and of itself they doubled the mass
up up there and they decreased the column strength below by a factor of three it's completely rigged
this mathematical paper and it took engineers 10 years to decode it because he is a mathematical
wizard at that university and when they did they produced their own papers and guess what
they submitted those papers to the same journal journal of engineering mechanics that published
the original paper but they wouldn't publish it why they said it's out of scope wait a minute
how can it be out of scope to challenge a previously published paper in that journal
that's what you do in science with peer-reviewed papers it's a complete cover-up all the way
around down to the destruction of evidence which we discussed carefully earlier so we've got some
real problems some real questions to answer we have 10 of the key characteristic features plus some
very uncharacteristic features of controlled demolition here with incendiaries and exploding
buildings in the case of the towers this has become proof to 3,600 architects and engineers
again and again they do appear in our new film which we just premiered the first episode of
last night and again this can be seen at 9-1-1 crime scene to courtroom.org or 9-1-1 c2c.org
and we got to get to it because we got 14 trillion dollars spent in the longest war in u.s history
the afghanistan war your great-grandchildren will be paying for it they'll also be they've lost
their civil liberties by the way through the patriot act the military commissions act the
national defense authorization act of 2012 which any of us can be arrested now without a right to
a lawyer a trial a jury we can be tortured and even assassinated all of that is legal so huge
problems again so where do you draw your line in the sand don't wait for the next 9/11 right
because guess what it's already happened it's been happening over the last three years a bigger false
flag operation and psychological operation against the american people with the false disease covid
and his false solution what they call vaccines so speak the truth now we got to get to it guys
it is really really important this is this is great and i think that this is a really important
issue and i agree with you because you know if you can see building seven fall in seven seconds flat
and say that that was due to office fires like i think your image is pretty good about a guy putting
his head in the sand at that point and i think that that's it's it's a key starting point because
if you can realize that the government um you know or whoever i got obviously someone nefarious
pulled off this type of operation then you know it kind of should help us realize that we're in a
situation where uh some some people are doing things that are really bad and and what is the
limit you know obviously maybe for a lot of americans they weren't personally affected by
9/11 directly but look at all the indirect things you brought up um the patriot act uh tsa if you go
flying um some of those other uh points that you brought up i i didn't even think about them until
you put them on the screen but just the fact that you can do uh terrorist negotiations through uh
torture techniques like you basically can uh torture people to find out information about them
that's that's a scary thing uh and i mean you know if america is willing to kill its own citizens
for these narratives who's to say they wouldn't torture you for these narratives and the bio
weapons against you and you know is america really always the good guy ben well i don't think so when
you look at the destabilization that the u.s has engaged in the middle east to endlessly feed the
military industrial complex and you know the nation building that has not worked in that region
9/11 was a catalyst for a lot of that you bring up some of the other things obviously the dragnet
surveillance programs that ensued patriot act but it was the wars as well countless lives lost
for these wars in the middle east all i think as a result of the incestuous relationship that
exists between weapons manufacturers and congress but 9/11 is what kickstarted all of that it was
the catalyst for all of that and so no i don't think the united states is always the good guy
and for some people pastor shelley that is a very difficult truth to swallow i want to throw a
question to both of you i want to make one more comment and then you can go to your question
sure i really appreciate your presentation here mr gauge because i've seen plenty of videos and
information about the subject and and some pretty wild conspiracy theories crazy ideas
and what i really liked about your presentation is how you just really focused in on facts
science things that are very clearly uh irrefutable the towers were holograms irrefutable
points yeah hologram towers i've heard some crazy things out there and so you know i like
your professionalism obviously you have things to lose your reputation uh you know being a
professional in these spaces you could look be looked at as being ridiculed or mocked and i'm
sure maybe some people have even done that but i really appreciate your consistency to focus in
on the facts and to bring a really professional uh presentation not only is it professional but
it's also really clear into the point i'm sure that you probably have hundreds and hundreds if
not thousands of hours of material and information you could share and i appreciate that you've
spent all that time and effort energy and then put it in such a cohesive easy type to digest
presentation and you're bringing that to our audience because i've had conversations with a
lot of people and they're just like unwilling to listen to me unwilling to even talk about this
stuff and i think that you know coming from someone like you and coming from others in your field
should have a lot of weight and i and i would hope that people would be willing to have an
uncomfortable conversation because you know again it's not a pleasant truth you don't want to believe
that this is true but we also need to face the facts and and if it is true we need to investigate
what's really going on and i think if a president were to ever investigate you guys have a good head
start on a lot of the questions that need to be asked and a lot of information and research ready
to go and you know that would be great i would hope someone would ask those questions um ben what
is the question you wanted to ask us here well one thing i was curious about is if indeed there
was no controlled demolition and they didn't bring those towers down and i want to be careful i ask
this because i want to make sure you understand what i'm asking here how would you expect those
towers to have behaved if there was no thermite if there were no explosives inside them would they
have remained upright and perhaps everything north of the impact point maybe that would have fallen
off at the top part would have fallen or something like that i'm just kind of curious what how those
towers would have behaved differently if they did not deliberately bring them down as we are
surmising on this podcast well there was no we're not surmising we're we're we're looking at
scientific forensic evidence which leads us to the inevitably to the conclusion of controlled
demolition but had those charges not been placed the fires would have simply burned out in fact
nist even acknowledged that 90 of the fuel was burned up outside the towers the rest of it was
gone in 10 minutes so we simply have a normal office fire after that in each of the twin towers
and it would have burned itself out like they do in all other steel frame fire protected skyscrapers
these are essentially designed as incinerators they can incinerate what's inside of them through
a fire even without fire sprinklers in fact often even without fire protection which is not in
every single building the the the cementitious fireproofing that's applied almost universally
to skyscrapers so we wouldn't have had any kind of a collapse in fact NIST acknowledged that the
plane damage itself was not fatal and nor a cause of the of the initiation of collapse the the
initiation of collapse was caused by what they claim is fires but again what we see are explosions
going off what we hear from 186 first responders is that their explosions went off before the tower
collapsed yeah i think that's a great point and even if even if the building did have a partial
collapse which was is not possible based on just simply a plane hitting it i would expect to see
it maybe a portion of the building falling off and not straight down but perhaps at an angle or
toppling and you know i think there's actually a clip and and i'm not sure exactly what your
point is so i think maybe you can help me with this but you had shared something on x um it's
our post number 22 for the production crew but um you had showed kind of a comparison of a couple
other buildings falling in there and they're more doing a toppling or kind of falling on their side
and i want to just put this up here this is something you had shared on x i'm kind of curious
what was the point that you're really kind of making in this comparison because you kind of show
i believe two different buildings here in some form of a collapse as well as comparison to
building seven i believe what was going on buildings that are buildings that are damaged
on one side fall over interestingly nist claims that the initiation of collapse happened in the
northeast corner of building seven and that is uh around column 79 is their initiation of collapse
failure theory well even if that were true and this is corroborated by the university of alaska
who spent four years studying it the building would have fallen over the the university of alaska
could not get the building to fall the way it did by taking out columns 79 80 and 81 on the east side
so how did they get the building their computer model to collapse like the video he professor
leroy hulsey one of the top forensic structural engineers in the country has concluded that
you'd have to take out all core columns within a fraction of a second of each other at once
followed about a second later by all the perimeter columns at once so how does that happen in in any
reality by fire especially the fires that we looked at earlier it can't and so he says this
the destruction was not a progressive collapse as claimed by nist but a global collapse involving
the instantaneous failure of all the columns in the building i think that makes perfect sense to
me you know just a simplicity example is like chopping a tree down if you're putting the axe
and just chopping it on one side it's not going to come straight down it's going to fall towards
the direction of where the impact of that axe has been making a hole in that tree it's going to be
weaker on one side and inevitably fall towards that particular direction whereas and you showed
that with these other buildings that have a similar deficiency or disruption on one particular side
and they topple whereas building seven with multiple support beams for it to fall straight
down seven seconds flat uh every single support beam would have to have been completely disrupted
and lost a hundred percent of its integrity i mean for something to fall seven seconds flat is just
it's at freefall speeds almost meaning there was zero resistance to those top levels and and i find
that just incredible how anybody could could learn anything about building seven and then trust some
of these official narratives um you know to me and again i didn't know that building seven fell
for a long time after 2001 uh ben did you know about building seven very shortly after when like
when did you find this out no honestly it wasn't until years later when i started looking into this
event and some of the inconsistencies of the 911 commission report that i even found out about
building seven and seeing that video for the first time was just incredible like it made my jaw hit
the floor i couldn't believe what i was seeing that it was that obvious a freefall demolition
style and of course what mr gage has presented tonight and and pastor shelly some of the things
you brought up is hard evidence my apologies surmises when there's no evidence i incorrect
usage of the word earlier my bad on that but there is so much evidence and so what we've done tonight
i think has actually reached a conclusion based on that evidence but pastor shelly i'm gonna throw
it back over to you yeah i want to play one of the news clip here because this is what i find so
interesting about what mr gage said is he's showing how there's all this concrete and it's
just been incinerated into ash you know like cloud that's covered the entire city and uh i want to
play the audio on this clip not just the video because the video is not that great but um this
is a particular report news report about the passports or the passport of one of the hijackers
let's see if we can play the audio of this clip too another development on saturday new york
officials revealed at a news conference here in the city that a hijacker's passport was found
blocks from the world trade center crash site if you can believe that no other details were given
but the discovery prompted the fbi and police to expand there's the search area down in lower
manhattan wow that's uh that's pretty incredible that you could find the password well he even
said if you can believe that really far away it almost sounded unbelievable even to the
reporter himself if you could believe that that happened do you think that he added that like
he's like reading the script reading the prompter and he's like oh if you can believe that sounds a
little far-fetched i doubt if you can believe that was in the prompter but who knows yeah who
was writing that script but uh i mean how how is it that all the concrete's missing with the
passports found mr gauge uh there was a lot of paper everywhere so obviously a lot of paper was
had had survived but i can also visualize an fbi agent who is planting all kinds of other
evidence uh that day uh dropping a passport and oh look i found it you know they there's witnesses
to the fbi finding the black boxes which they claim they couldn't find and yet the guy that drove
them around on the site with the homing beacon uh receiver device uh they went right to it and they
picked he said that we found uh two of them he saw them uh and this is all in a book uh and so we
have lies all over the place well and when it comes to building seven uh larry silverstein is the
owner of the building and on a particular uh news report he had said at one point that they had
pulled um the building here's what he said here's what he said i was talking to the fire commander
and there there's been such terrible loss of life maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it and so
they gave the order to pull and we watched the building collapse let's see if we can play that
clip 12 because the i think you said that you said that verbatim he just quoted it yeah he's
got it nailed we'll play i'm sure he's seen it's kind of things let's go ahead and see if we can
play that clip 12 i remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they
were not sure they're going to be able to contain the fire i said you know we've had such terrible
loss of life maybe the smartest thing to do is is pull it uh and they made that decision to pull
and then we watched the building collapse what an interesting confession there it's fascinating
because he any everybody said what what excuse me uh and he said oh i didn't mean pull the building
which is a term in the controlled demolition industry i meant pull the firefighters out of
the building yeah that's the claim fema and both fema and nist are have abundant uh documentation
that the firefighters never fought the fire they were kept from entering the building at one point
actually uh for the testimony of captain richard patterson and first responder patrick dillon
and so they uh they were not allowed to fight the fires so there's no firefighters to pull out of
the building and that's not how you say it you pull it uh you're not you know so he's just trying to
make up stuff trying to cover for what was either an unconscious confession or or what i'm not sure
yeah wouldn't you say pull them i mean just i get maybe he misspoke but that that is an odd
claim that it was about the firefighters you know we've been focusing a lot on the a lot on the
facts and and you know i want to i want to stay there but at the same time i'm just kind of curious
from your perspective it seems like there has to be some level of government involvement how far
reaching do you think that this particular situation is as far as who may be responsible
well it's far-reaching it's it's clearly far-reaching we're talking about top levels
of government and industry clearly that that have the capability to secure these planes
fly them remotely to their targets and find patsies from saudi arabia and i think one was
from lebanon was that you been that's hilarious no you would be here right now so uh actually
it's true there was one from lebanon there was yeah so they um they they had the capability
to pull this and and have an exercise that sent our jet fighters north to alaska for on that day
a training available right yeah many exercises in fact exercises norad uh had for hijacking planes
and some of them running into buildings on 9 11 the morning of 9 11 and they they had all these
simulated uh blips on the targets of the norad radar techs they were confused they said well is
this real world or or what you know they were designed to confuse them right weren't some
either air traffic controllers or certain personnel confused as whether or not these were
real events you can hear the audio on youtube right now they're like real world or that they
didn't know yeah and and they they begged them to turn off the the simulations but they didn't go
off they didn't end the exercise when the first plane hit the tower not until the pentagon was
hit uh did they uh end the exercise what about you know again some people also are kind of curious
about the philadelphia situation um you know of course airplane crashes it's not exactly certain
what you're going to find but it didn't seem like there was a lot of plane parts that were
discovered or are shown on camera uh do you think that a plane uh landed there in in philadelphia
in some heroic suicide mission shanksville shanksville pennsylvania they um uh they're
most in the 9/11 truth movement uh their research leads them to believe that the plane was shot down
and uh scattered over an eight mile area uh and and whatever that smoking hole with nothing much
else in it uh may have been a missile um it's it's another one of those areas of research in
the 9/11 truth movement that has a wide variety of different opinions and conclusions based on
their own research uh so and that hasn't that's not that that in the pentagon i haven't delved into
because my job is so easy with the twin towers and building seven that i can convince anybody
and i i've i've convinced uh seven in 700 presentations throughout the country and around
the world uh by a show of hands at the end how many at the beginning and the end and so we have
people maybe 10 percent maybe five percent agreeing with the official narrative at the beginning
almost all of whom uh every time uh raise their hand yeah we need a new investigation because
they never saw the evidence you know it didn't happen on cnn so they don't think it happened
that's interesting in any of your presentations has there been uh maybe a majority or a large
percentage of people who maybe raised their hands initially and said they kind of trusted
the official narrative or have most of these presentations been due to people that are
already kind of skeptical of the situation oh i don't get to go to groups that are you know
largely or 100 percent unfamiliar with this evidence i don't have acts that kind of access
the people i speak to anywhere from half of them already know about the evidence to
up to 90 but so i focus on those hands that go up at the beginning uh there's there's there's
several usually because people bring their friends to these conspiracy events and they get they all
get convinced uh typically sometimes there's one or two holdouts they just can't bring themselves
to uh fathom uh if if we're what if what i was saying was true then up would be down and down
would be up and our own psychological preservation tools uh automatic tools to keep our boat afloat
psychologically uh come apart and and so people just walk away from the evidence and and they
pretend they didn't hear it if they allow themselves to see it at all you know a lot of questions
would be answered if there was black box evidence for us to look at and especially the cockpit voice
recorder that would have been helpful and the flight data recorder as well the claim that they
could not be found i find to be dubious i understand perhaps they could have been damaged beyond repair
or something like that but you look at the history of aviation incidents and one in particular that
comes to mind is air flance air france flight 447 which unfortunately stalled out and crashed in the
mid atlantic they found the black box associated with that incident practically i think it was just
at the bottom of the ocean i mean that's where they found it and so if they were able to recover
that it just seems unbelievable to me that they couldn't recover the black boxes associated with
the aircraft on 9/11 and again i understand they could have been damaged beyond repair or something
like that but you mentioned witnesses who saw those black boxes it seems to me just illogical
the official story is true and they were nowhere to be found well you know of course it probably
would only be beneficial to people like you from all the al-aqbars in arabic being yelled from the
cockpit but um yeah of course that's a that's a weird narrative that you couldn't recover these
black boxes and we don't know what was being screened uh with the box cutters you know in
hand who knows where they are um you know it it's it's it's crazy sure um mr gage we really
appreciate your time and your presentation was fantastic i'm kind of curious just is there
anything else that you really wanted to share or or something else that you wanted to kind of talk
about before we kind of wrap up yeah seeing this evidence uh is is disturbing for most all of us
especially the first time and i i want to encourage people to take the next step and watch the the
documentary 9/11 explosive evidence experts speak out it is free to watch on youtube and on our
channel 9/11 uh richard gage 9/11.org and and and and process it and then decide uh and can i afford
to not share this information it having affected and impacted our world so deeply
what are you going to do tell your what are you going to tell your children your grandchildren
when we are living in a totalitarian nightmare uh because not enough of us had the courage to
stand up and speak an unpopular truth well this is one that you've got the backup of 30,000 years
combined of technical experience with these 3,600 architects and engineers let us do the hard work
for you just take the dvd send the link from youtube to every architect and engineer you can
find everybody else that you know and then you've done something right and so spread this podcast
to those who are not just those of who are like mind but those who are skeptical because they'll
see evidence that you haven't been able here to for to share with them you know what i think is
funny is you kind of brought up the covid thing and and i feel like the mantra that was constantly
repeated is quote trust the experts and it's it's kind of funny to me it's like well why aren't we
trusting all of these architects and engineers all of these experts on this particular issue
we're limited to one particular small group of experts from the government that were paid
to give their opinion whereas we have thousands of experts that are not being paid that taking
time out of their schedule to tell us and warn us and say hey there's something off about this
let's trust the experts what do you say on that one ben well it seems like only trust the experts
if their worldview aligns with the establishment that seems to be what establishment experts
yeah exactly i guess i missed that one right that seems to be what they want us all to do well you
definitely need to check out richard gage his websites he's got several there well i want to
real quickly nine one one c two c dot org i just want to hammer that link for everybody this one
yeah he had it on the screen yes we can see it there in the top corner for the documentary series
and then also uh he has his website as well richard gage nine one one dot org and uh don't dial
nine one one on your phone you have to put it in the browser richard gage nine one one dot org
and uh check out check out his website you just insulted the intelligence of all of our viewers
it was for your it was for your benefit okay so we want to make sure well mr gage pleasure talking
to you again we met up in florida a long time ago and uh so it's good to get a chance to speak with
you one more time thanks ben great where did we see you in florida in this it was in jacksonville
you came to jacksonville you did a you did a presentation in saint augustine and we rode
together all those years almost oh years ago now you went to the star fort with me yes did you
somebody did was it was me huh how about that i found the gentleman who toured the star fort
in saint augustine that was awesome so if you're ever in town i'm in dfw now but if you're ever in
town and you want to link up again i'd be happy to do that uh so he met i met him when i was a
college student you know it's so funny that he's been trying to figure out how to do this the whole
time and he had ridden in a car with you and now we know it was ben that did this the whole time
oh yeah exactly it took you 10 years to get back to me well it was a pleasure to meet you then and
it's great to talk to you now you too well thanks so much for joining us on the show and uh thanks
so much for you guys tuning in you got to check out uh mr gauge's work it's it's really really
comprehensive a lot of time and effort energy has been put into this and look we need to wake
people up on these issues because they're serious they're affecting people's lives
wars have been fought over this particular information and we need the general populace
to wake up and put pressure on these government institutions to start telling the truth to
investigate them uh they have severe consequences on us and we can't just keep our head in the sand
as mr gage uh very clearly presented to us irrefutable evidence and so you know ben before
we sign off i'll give you last word here is there anything else we need to plug no i think we covered
it you know 911c2c.org if you want to check out mr gage's documentary series and i would highly
encourage everyone who's listening to this podcast right now to go watch it for yourself and share it
most importantly though share it with people who maybe they don't believe this maybe they're bush
republicans or something like that maybe they still are holding on and clinging to the narrative
that has been espoused by corporate media because that's what they feel comfortable with but you
know what at the end of the day truth is what matters above all and this documentary series
will bring it and so i highly recommend that you share it with those who uh maybe just have not
quote-unquote seen the light on this issue yet of course tonight also there's a major event i think
donald trump was debating kamala harris and so we're actually having a double feature uh we're
going to end this stream and be starting a new stream here in a moment and we're going to cover
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