the authoritarian left grows in power and influence it seems like prison might
actually become the safest place on earth kind of like the end of a game of
monopoly I got some questions for you do you support the nuclear family do you
want borders do you oppose the New World Order do you believe men are men and
women are women are you Christian do you think two plus two is four do you
actually believe the Bible then get ready to be labeled a political dissident an
enemy of the state here's the good news you might be cellmates with Owen
Shroyer while he's not hogging solitary of course in fact we might need to
release all the criminals to make room for more constitutionalists people who
question elections gun owners people who work out men with families white people
those who ask the wrong questions but especially anyone that has that bigoted
anti-semitic patriarchal fascist mindset we call the Baptist bias thanks everybody
for joining us for a special episode of the Baptist bias I'm here with my co-host
Ben the Baptist how's going Ben going good excited to be here for another
episode of our show got a great guest great topic let's get this thing on the
road yeah I'm really excited about this particular interview we've got a
return guest Owen Shroyer from info wars gonna be joining us how's it going on
it's going good and I have to say though I hate to do this right out of the gates
but as a former competitive monopoly player you do not want to be in jail at
the end of the game that's actually bad news so I don't want your audience to
get that bad advice you do not want to be in jail at the end of monopoly that
means that you're in a bad place it's good to be back it's gonna be back on
the show it was it was a joy to moderate a debate that you are in recently and I
feel like I've told this story so many times by now that I'm pretty much the
expert on my own story if you will so I'm ready to talk about what I went
through and and really try to get Americans to understand just what we're
up against right now with the totalitarian left yeah I usually land on
the boardwalk so it's really safe for me to be in jail that's why I said that
but but it's great to have you and you've done some really epic interviews
already I know you did Tucker after you came out of prison and I know you went
on I think Tim cast and really several others I think you and info wars Rob
did a recent interview about your prison experiences as well and of course I
don't want to necessarily be a broken record but I do want to still cover a
few of the same basics I'm also interested it seems like from some of
your posts or some of the things that I was following while you're in there you
talked about reading the Bible and I definitely would be interested in asking
you about that but you made some videos too kind of like a pre prison video and
like a post prison video I don't know if I want to necessarily play them but we
could kind of you can show the picture up there of at least what this video
looks like what was going through your mind as you're about to be put into
federal prison here well I was able to mentally prepare myself you might say
since I I got about a month or so knowledge in advance that that I was
sentenced to prison so it wasn't like they hauled me right out of the courtroom
so I was able to mentally prepare myself a little bit how you know how close is
that to the reality now looking back you know it's a funny thing actually it
feels like an entirely different world it feels like it was an entirely
different life and while I was in there it felt like it was forever while I was
in there it felt like it was forever and you know the countdown it never be soon
enough now that I'm out it was like it was just a completely different world a
completely different life but my mindset going in was you know I talked to my
family before I talked to my friends before I tried to I try to find some
ways to look at the positive I try to find some ways to kind of fortify my own
mind one example would be I think about you know I have grandparents a lot of my
family were former military I think about the time they spent probably a lot
harder at times than than me going to prison for two months I think about the
veterans that I talked to every day and what their commitment to country to God
and country is and so I kind of just looked at it like my service in a way I
think you know I looked at it like this is this is my my duty my service to the
country to go through this you know a long time ago I've I've accepted that
everything is part of God's plan sometimes that goes in your favor
sometimes it doesn't but it's all part of God's plan and so you know you kind
of just you just kind of learn to take the good with the bad I think when
that's your mentality but you know the final thing I wanted to kind of go out
with or go in with rather was a message of positivity I knew a lot of people
were gonna see that being is it was my last video before incarceration and so I
wanted to go out with something positive I wanted to go out with something
inspiring and so I recorded it and I said I'm gonna be in here 60 days I'm
gonna find a way to improve myself so in the next 60 days I hope that you hearing
this can find a way to improve yourself so that was kind of my approach say in
the last 48 to 24 hours and then right before I went in well and again you know
this is federal prison it sounds like you must have been a really bad criminal
what was the charge that they even gave you for this it was a misdemeanor charge
entering and remaining on restricted government grounds it's basically a
minor or lesser they say trespassing charge very few people if any have ever
gone to prison in fact nobody's ever heard of anybody that's gone to prison
with this charge there are other there were other January 6 defendants there
might still be some in the future there were some other January 6 defendants
that had the same charge they didn't have to go to prison they didn't deal
with any of the probation that I'm dealing with either so that that that's
basically the charge is they were claiming that the capital grounds that I
was on that day were restricted government grounds and so that was my
that was the the misdemeanor that I eventually pled to and you would
obviously ask what about and and I'm certainly not asking for anybody else to
be charged or incarcerated but the question here is obvious why am I the
only one of the hundreds of thousands or more that went on to the capital grounds
that day and I think we got a pretty good idea why it's obviously political
persecution right but we didn't even we didn't even want to take that that
argument to the judge because we kind of flirted with it a little bit and the
response from the government was well our investigation isn't over so if we
would have tried to say to the judge well certainly this is clearly political
persecution Owen Schreuer is the only person that is being charged with this
of all the people well they said the investigation is ongoing so eventually
they did end up charging some other people and maybe there might be some
more charges before the end of the year even right because I mean we're talking
about hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that are standing
right by you in the same spot I mean it's not like you were just in some
isolated place by yourself I mean correct me if I'm wrong I don't even
think you entered the Capitol is that correct? Yeah I never stepped foot in the
Capitol. And we had lots of people that were entered in the Capitol so obviously
it's clear persecution against you specifically being a voice that is
powerful inspiring a lot of people inspiring a lot of young individuals and
you know I think what's encouraging though is that even though you did have
to go through this you didn't have a woe is me attitude you weren't saying like
well this is you know darn my luck or something but rather you said hey I want
to get better I want to come out stronger and not only did you say that
hey you're still on the front lines fighting and I think that that says a
lot to your character because I think a lot of people after getting this
persecution would say I'm kind of done fighting the machine because I'm the
only one that's really suffering here because let's be honest there's very few
people that are going to prison for specifically what you went through and I
know there's other January 6 prisoners and I'm not trying to undermine what
they're going through but specifically I mean this is like nothing you're just
out there at the very iconic event a very special event I mean this is
something that a lot of people are saying hey we don't know that this
election is legitimate we feel like our country is being taken from us and you
know it was a big deal especially when people breach the Capitol means every
news station it was a major event a lot of people were kind of wondering what's
going on it's very chaotic I believe isn't that it's about the same timeline
when Trump was banned from Twitter I think like almost happened afterward but
it was based on January 6 shortly afterward based on erroneous claims of
what they said that Trump said on January 6 they claimed that he incited
violence when he did the complete opposite and you know it kind of makes
me feel like you know are we living in a Bolshevik type revolution or something
is there is there really you know our government hasn't been seized or taken
over I mean what is your viewpoint when it comes to this type of persecution is
it over is it is it just getting started like where where do you see this headed
well it's certainly far from over at least until maybe Trump gets back into
office but but even then the truth of the matter is I think at this point the
reality is as long as the Democrat Party exists and can still get any semblance
of power back then this threat is always going to loom and that's not to that's
not an endorsement of the Republicans or even to say that the Republicans
wouldn't be somehow above this I think that the Republicans could could do
something similar as well I mean we've seen some of the response that they've
had to protesters on college campuses not to not to go into another topic but
I mean we've seen that we've seen this anti-semitic bill that is extremely
authoritarian and anti-first amendment but I think the threat right now the
direct threat is Democrats at least in the in the practical sense that we've
seen applied and so the thing that I try to explain to people because we tend to
look back on history and and and history repeats itself and and we want to learn
from history so you can talk about all kinds of revolutions and authoritarian
regimes I try to humanize it for people and until you've been in my position
it's hard to understand this and so the way that I explain it is when you're in
that courtroom and the courtroom is basically a triangle situation you have
yourself with your defense attorneys right here and then you have the
government the prosecuting attorneys the u.s. attorneys right here and then
at the at the top you have the judge and the understanding or the expectation of
the American people going into this situation is that justice is the goal
justice is what everybody in the courtroom is searching for but when you
are in that corner of the triangle that I was in you quickly realize that that's
not the case that's not the case at all justice in fact never comes into the
equation and in fact it's not even a process evidence doesn't matter truth
doesn't matter it's a it's a rigged system against you and so when you go
through that it really hits home it makes the whole thing a reality aside
from just the conjecture and the commentary on it it really makes it a
reality and so for a lot of people I think it's hard to it's really hard to
even understand what that's like to go through that and you know you talk
about getting out and going back on the front lines it was never a doubt to me
and so I've worked with Alex Jones for I guess eight years now and I've worked
with Roger Stone I have followed Donald Trump and you know these are these are
three men that that never gave up either so so certainly I was not in a
situation where I was ever going to give up maybe they thought they could break
me with all of this the point being these principles these values these
cornerstones of our constitutional republic one of them being justice
another one being free speech you know I've had to learn the hard way that
that's not something that I I've had as an American these are these are two
rights of mine that have been I have been infringed upon so I think that when
you go through that unfortunately you realize how bad it really is when you
realize that there's no hopes of justice because if there's no justice then you
know there's really nothing else anybody anybody can just be thrown away by the
government with without a real courtroom without a real defense without even the
opportunity to have justice so it becomes very real in that process and
unfortunately I had to go through that I'd I'd wish it on nobody I'd wish it on
not even my enemies yeah like Trump's court cases are also kind of like a
kangaroo court not legitimate we've actually had we've had two legal cases
we had a trial that was honestly frankly a kangaroo court and then we
ended up paying to go to a higher level and the judge didn't even allow us to
have the hearing he literally just already had made his mind up and just
didn't even let us present any evidence and it was just over and it it was kind
of flabbergasting to think like this is what our justice system has turned to
and you know they just don't care about rule of law there's really no
accountability for a lot of these individuals and you can kind of tell
that the political pressure or their personal biases or maybe even their
friends really have a lot more to do with what's going on in the courtroom
then like you said justice trying to weigh the evidence trying to have a fair
show and that's not to say that all judges are bad or that all these legal
proceedings are bad necessarily but it's clear that there's a lot of bad
things going on in the courtroom in America and it's it's not even just
limited to Trump it's going on in your case it's going on in other cases the
January 6 trials and those individuals it doesn't seem like they're getting a
fair shake either but of course it happened you went to federal prison and
I think initially you're put in solitary confinement and honestly I've
thought about this and it's a it's a gruesome punishment just the idea of
just having no interaction with any human and I'm kind of curious like what
exactly did they give you in there like do you even have access to like books or
or anything or is it just literally you in a padded sail well I'll get into
that in a second I want to address one thing that you just brought up and I
think it's this has become something when I really got out I focused on this
messaging and every time I get the opportunity I want to bring this up
especially because we as conservatives tend to overlook this because we tend to
land on the side of you know pro-law enforcement pro-police and so we kind of
lose the I think we kind of lose the mission through all the fog when it
comes to justice reform another problem my case was obviously political but
another problem with the justice system is many times in all kinds of different
cases justice never really enters the equation because what you have is a
prosecuting attorneys federal attorneys US attorneys and their goal is to have
a high success rate so what they do is they overcharge you so whether you know
maybe you're you're caught with drugs or a money laundering situation or whatever
it can be anything and so they they just overcharge you to such a degree that for
a minor crime you might be facing decades in prison so that way they work
it down to a plea deal you think that this is getting off easy your lawyer
tells you to take it because it's getting off easy when really that should
have been the only charge you ever faced and you should have been able to take it
to a trial with a jury of your peers and and argue it in front of the judge and
then have a fair decision and a fair sentencing but they overcharge
dramatically so you take the plea deal and then they have their success rates
high so that they can climb the ladder claim they have a 100 percent success
rate dealing with this and then the judge he's all about filling the prisons
he likes the incarceration aspect he gets to fill the prisons and so when you
when you add that into the justice system you realize that yes my case was
political but that doesn't mean that my situation the courtroom was unique to
me just because it was politically or politically motivated so that's another
problem with the justice system is this process that rewards high incarceration
rates high charge rates by prosecuting attorneys and so it even in other cases
it's it's almost impossible to get justice now here's the situation when I
first went in and it was all totally unexpected so it was like as soon as I
got in there I got hit with a you know a shock because you like I said you
prepare yourself I talked to other federal prisoners what to expect you
know I did as much research on the prison as I could to try to figure out
what to expect and then boom you go in there in the first week you're in
solitary confinement that was a COVID protocol that was all a COVID protocol so
it was total nonsense of course didn't have COVID there was no reason to put
me in solitary for a week but nonetheless I get out I make a phone
call and then I get sent to the special housing unit it's known as the shoe
basically the prison inside of the prison and once again I hear this almost
the entire time or really with any part of the process dealing with attorneys and
courtrooms and the incarceration and the probation never seen anything like this
before so I got put into the shoe the special housing unit the prison in the
prison for a phone call the everybody involved in the process had never heard
of anybody going to the shoe for this everybody that was in the prison long
timers had never heard of anybody going to the shoe for this so again it was
more politically motivated and I was basically told that by people inside the
prison that this came from the higher-ups it was off record so I'm not
going to go too much further into detail past that when you're in there your
access to anything is obviously very limited you can't leave the cell you get
you get 10 minutes to shower three days a week it's the weakest shower you ever
had you basically push a little button and there's a dribble that comes out of
the wall the water is freezing cold the food is horrible you get your three
meals a day at first you don't want to eat it because it looks so gross by day
three or four you can't wait to get it because you're starving I lost at least
15 pounds I don't remember for the first time since high school I was under 160
pounds today I probably weigh maybe just shy of 180 I'm usually between 175 180
so I lost at least 15 pounds in the process pretty much books are your best
resource there now I was lucky because I had a bunch of people sending me books
so I kind of had like my own library to choose from they have a prison library
but it's you know you're there's not too much good reading material there I had a
lot like what did you enjoy reading the Bible mostly I really enjoyed reading
the Bible there were a couple other books that I found really easy to read
and pass the time that were kind of just more informational like one was
called like stories of the world or something like that and I just learned
crazy things about different cultures so those were the two books that I like
doing you know I would do I got mailed crossword puzzles so those were kind of
big ways to pass the time actually have a list of all the books I read that I'm
probably I'm eventually gonna write I've already written my own book I just
need to kind of editorialize it and get it ready for publishing which has been a
bit of a process but books are you're the way to pass time I mean if you can
sleep they don't turn the lights off but if you can sleep that's a way to pass
the time you don't even have any access to a clock so the only way you can even
keep track of time is based off of your meals which are not exactly timely every
day and you have a pretty good idea what time it is based on the meal but the
prison guard does a walk every 30 minutes so you might try to just time
everything based off of that and when you get your food I mean that's pretty
much it I think the the 21 days I believe it was that I was in the shoe I
think they let us outside maybe once I think they let us outside for a 15-minute
wreck it's just a it's a cage outside that you can just be outside in so I
think I think we got maybe that once it's hard to remember but that's pretty
much your situation you're just laying in your bed now I tried to yeah there's
only so much you can do it's not very big at all but you have enough room to
do push-ups or do you know lunges or something like that so I tried to
exercise as much as possible but there's really not much you you try to sleep as
much as you can you know you try to read as much as you can to pass the time and
that's pretty much it that's pretty much it when you're there then you know after
having a hard day at work this seems like nothing you know and a hard day work
compared to that I mean that's intense yeah for sure I mean you brought up the
fact that they gave you and I know that there's more complex issues here but they
gave you food that at first was disgusting but then you could not wait
to eat later because of how hungry you were could you provide maybe an example
of what they fed you if possible I mean you can imagine it's imagine like the
worst version of Michelle Obama cafeteria food that you possibly can and
that's that's basically it Wow yeah I mean like I'm trying to remember yeah I
mean I just remember basically cafeteria food is it like basically the Vegas
vacation when they go to the buffet and you guys just getting the green slop and
the red slop or whatever you know I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it was like
that I mean it was food you know you knew you knew what you were eating like
you knew the beans were beans or the chicken was chicken so I mean it wasn't
it wasn't like that but it wasn't it wasn't enough to fill you and there was
really no taste to it so it's and it's not it's not very you know it comes in a
little tray and a lot of the stuff because I have a really strict diet and
so a lot of the stuff I just wouldn't even eat ever outside but you know like
I said when you're in there you just that's it starve yeah well in reading
the Bible is this is this something that is kind of like the first time maybe you
went cover-to-cover in or what was kind of your experience with that probably
probably the first time I ever went cover-to-cover now I was I was born and
raised in a Catholic household I went to a Catholic grade school I went to a
high school called Christian Brothers College prep it was a former military
Academy so I wasn't I wasn't no stranger to the Bible I I'd been reading the
Bible my entire life I was brought up on the Bible so so I knew the Bible well
but yeah first time probably that I ever just read it straight up cover-to-cover
I would say so it anything that kind of stuck out to you or is there anything
you know maybe that you learned for the first time that you thought was really
interesting while you're in there a lot stuck out to me in fact I have a whole
list I've got it I've got it right down here actually I could grab it maybe
yeah all right give me one second here no you're good I would be just super
angry if I was at that situation that's all I thought about it and you know if
you didn't get books or something I mean I I've read and like watch some videos
of people on it's actually in another room eventually yeah you're goers yeah
I've seen some people literally go crazy in solitary and I could see that
especially from a time perspective you just don't even know when you know what
time of day it is it kind of makes me think of a movie that I really love it's
called The Count of Monte Cristo I don't ever seen this but a large portion of
the film just assume I've never seen any movie yeah yeah that's probably true a
large portion of the film the main characters in they basically kind of
like a solitary style prison sentence but it's like indefinite it's just for
the rest of his life and he is just like marking on the wall with rocks like the
days or something and then he eventually just gives up well it's just like it's
not how humans are supposed to be living it's not the environment that humans
are supposed to be in and it makes you feel like a caged animal yeah and that's
how they treat you this is a it's definitely cruel and unusual cruel and
punished but they locked them in a box essentially is what they did there's
nothing in the Bible that teaches solitary confinement absolutely not and it's
disgusting so you know again our prison system definitely has issues the Bible
just doesn't even have people locked up even just in a cage with other people
you know obviously a temporary holding cell until maybe sentencing but it
should be so brief that it's not really the main punishment but today it's just
locking people up in a cage and you know that's it's it's just sad that that
happens to a lot of individuals but you know a lot of people in the Bible went
to prison Joseph went to prison he's kind of the first one you have Jeremiah
Jesus John Peter Paul you've got Silas I mean the list goes on it's some pretty
good people went to jail so you know you're in good company there oh and I
don't know if you got some your notes with you I yeah I do right here and I
would say the one thing I do remember was when Paul was in prison and it was a
Bible verse I know I have it in here I don't I'm not the best at memorizing the
verses but it talks about the God rattling the cages opening opening the
gates of the prison so he could walk out yeah and that's kind of how that's kind
of how I felt I bet that's probably in my notes here what do you say it was
act 16 yeah so they actually sing praises at midnight and then God opens
the doors and Paul and Silas are there and the jailers afraid of being killed
because all the prisoners are going to be released but the Bible says he fell
down in verse 30 and he asked them sirs what must I do to be saved and they said
believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved so it's actually one
of the coolest stories in the Bible because it also gives the gospel like
how to be saved and how to go to heaven and it's through like believing on Jesus
Christ specifically just by faith and what he did and it's kind of symbolic
there because it's like the doors of the jail are wide open and they just get to
go free and that's just kind of how the gospel is that all of our sins are just
wiped away through the blood of Jesus Christ and we get to go out free. I
really also like the attitude of Paul and Silas they're very encouraged and
they're encouraging themselves and that kind of reminds me of your testimony a
little bit of you encouraging yourself but I do want you to share you know
what you got from this this passage. Well you said it was Acts 16 right? And I'm
guessing verse 24 through 26 I have it written down right here I don't know if
you guys I'll try to put that on the camera. Yeah we can see it. Nice. Yeah. Acts 16, 24, 26.
So these are all the these were all my favorite Bible verses while I was in
there. I plan on eventually getting into this I don't know maybe I'm avoiding it
because I don't want to relive all of it or it's probably more just that I've
been so busy. So somebody actually sent me this it's a scripture confessionals
and so I would wake up every day and read one or two and read one or two
before I would go to bed every night and then I would use the back empty pages to
just write my favorite verses so it's funny because that one is in here
obviously but yeah anytime I would read something that really stuck out to me or
resonated with me or I felt could be applied towards what we're going through
now that I would I would take this out and I would write it down and revisit it
later so that was um yeah that was kind of my process throughout the days when I
would when I would read it is oh wow that stuck out to me and I'd write down
the verse and you know I plan on revisiting it later and then saying oh
yeah this is why this meant something to me or oh yeah this looks like or sounds
like something that we might be going through now some valuable information
here well and you know interestingly enough you kind of bring up that passage
and it does seem like your sentence ended up getting it ended sooner than
what you originally sentenced for I don't know the exact number was it like
47 48 days maybe that you served what was the yeah I was supposed to serve 60
I think it was right at 50 yeah okay around 50 so you got out there a little
sooner when did you find out like that they might send you out there sooner or
that you're gonna get out there free like what how did that work well this
might surprise you guys to find out but they don't really give you much
information when you're in there and they don't really treat you with much
respect or dignity so it's it I think I found out 48 hours 48 hours before and
so there was you know they're never clear about what or why some of the
people think some of the people inside think it was because the first step act
that was signed by Trump others said that's not the case because I didn't
even have a long enough sentence for that to kick in I think that only
happens after if you have like a year sentence that they can kick that in so
some people say no that didn't apply to you so there was some kind of debate on
that others think that it was because my name was brought up at the BOP the
Bureau of Prisons hearing they thought that because Matt Gates mentioned my
name they were fighting for another two billion dollars and they couldn't
answer any questions about me or my treatment or anything like that and it
was a bad look so they think that that maybe that was why they wanted to get
me out of there now they're petitioning for the two billion dollars again so
some people think that that might have had something to do with it you know
either way to me it was still an act of God whether it was through the hearing
or whether it was through the prayers or whether it was through a first step act
you know to me it was it was it was God's plan and so but yeah I think I got
48 hours advanced warning I think is about what it was well you bring up act
16 verse 25 says and at midnight Paul and Silas prayed and saying praises
unto God and the prisoners heard them and what sticks out to me is that here
we have these two men in prison and yet they are singing praises to God the
positivity that they're exhibiting in spite of their situation and I brought
this up when you went to get your notes about the feeling of anger that would
permeate at least me in a situation like that to be incarcerated wrongfully for
political speech as a political dissident in a country that's supposed
to be one that offers freedom but here's my question for you Owen were you ever
blackpilled whether it was there a day or multiple days where you were just
totally blackpilled and down or even just pissed off at the backwards nature
of our justice system were somewhat like use incarcerated while criminals are
running around free going up and down our streets and terrorizing people I
definitely hit a low point I I remember it distinctive distinctively when I hit
my low point I wouldn't say I was blackpilled I don't even know if it would
be fair to say that I was angry maybe maybe depression maybe depressed I'm kind
of naturally a high dopamine level guy I really enjoy life I really enjoy what I
do I enjoy eating and exercising and spending time with friends and family so
to kind of have all that removed from you you know you might might say that
that could be clinically described as depression but I specifically remember
my low point it was like day six or seven in the special housing unit so
we're talking like two weeks in and and being confined and really it was it was
the only thing that kind of kept me going at that point because I had no
access to mail I had no access to to write a letter or receive a letter yet
at that time I had no access to anything really it was just me and a Bible I was
able to get a Bible which was which even that was kind of a lucky thing you
might say or or you know an act of God but when I got in there just so happened
and again you know a lot of this was set off the record so I just I just want to
be careful but a lot of the people you know that worked in the prison believe
it or not they're fans of mine or or you know just patriots and it was kind of
eerie because you hear it a lot I'm just doing my job I'm just doing my job so
it's kind of eerie when you get that all the time but let's just say because
somebody on the inside in the shoe recognized me he said you know hey I've
got to lock you up and that's it anything you want I said can you just
bring me a Bible just can you just find me a Bible bring me a Bible and I mean
it was this old tethered Bible he probably dug it out of you know some
compartment or drawer that hadn't been opened in years but he found it for me
and he gave it to me and so I mean that's what basically got me through that
was the only thing I had in in those times but yeah I specifically remember
the low point and then once once I kind of hit that I you know it was like
hitting rock bottom and then being like okay well it doesn't get any worse than
this every day that goes by is a day less in here then I was able to start
getting some mail then I was able to start writing some letters and then I
was able to start getting some books so you know I don't know if it's fair to
say blackpilled or you know angry or anything like that I mean maybe just
maybe just depressed I don't know how else to put it but it's just you know
it's it's just the feeling of helplessness hopelessness with with no
outlet at all to distract you or to give you access to anything in the outside
world and so for me again for me at that time it was basically only only the
Bible that was all I had and it was the only thing that helped me get through
the hardest times in there of time passing slowly depression sinking in
whatever you want to say well pastor Shelley that's the natural response
isn't it to have a little bit of a low point at least at some point during your
prison sentence which is why those passages like in Acts chapter 16 are
just so astounding and jump out of the page for me because it just goes to show
that hey it is possible to be in that position and yet find joy in the Lord
yeah Joseph serves in the prison and actually does well and obviously that's
probably a different experience than being in the shoe or being in solitary
a special kind of cruelty there but you know I'm it's definitely nice to hear you
know some realism because I think that most people if not almost all are gonna
have some moments of feeling down or some sadness in that experience because
that's just that's got to be super hard I mean I think it's realistic to have
some highs and lows in that situation I'm kind of curious from a perspective of
like a broad perspective do you feel like maybe this caused you to draw a
little closer to God or things that are spiritual having gone through an
experience like this definitely in those moments I mean it's hard to say I don't
know if I could say that I'm closer to God today than I was before I went in
necessarily but definitely you know in those moments when you have more time to
meditate more time to pray more time to appreciate the things that you don't
have and then and then you get out and you do appreciate them so I mean I don't
know if I would say I'm closer to God now than I was before I went in I would
say that if anything I just have a grown appreciation for what God has given me
and the opportunities and everything that I have in my life I would say that
the appreciation for that and I guess reaffirmed God's plans reaffirmed God's
power the power of prayer so I don't know if that's necessarily me saying I'm
closer to God than I was before I went in but it was definitely something you're
kind of take out of there with you and and into the you know the post
incarceration life and again you know just just kind of just kind of level
things out and humble things here I didn't spend too much time in there I
mean two months overall there's guys that go in there for years and decades
and so there's a reason why people become more religious when they're in
there you'd think that's you know hyperbolic considering the situations
you're in but there's there's something there there's something there's something
real about that you know crying out to God or feeling that or getting that
through and then taking it out with you so there's there's something definitely
to that some of the men in there were very spiritual it felt like it was kind
of one end of the spectrum or the other either you're very spiritual and a big
believer or you're basically you know an atheist so I mean it feels like that's
kind of it's kind of just both far sides of the spectrum from from my experience
when you were in there did it feel like people knew who you were or did you ever
feel intimidated by other prisoners no you know the situation that I was in at
my prison Oakdale FCI it's a low security prison and it's a prison where
they have a lot of people that work their way down so there's a lot of guys
that were in a high security or then a medium security and now they're kind of
on the last leg of their sentence and they just want to get out so people
don't really like to fight in a situation like that there were some
politics meaning you know prison gangs and stuff like that but it wasn't too
political because of that reason because most people are trying to get out and
maybe a practical example that I could give is most federal prisons child
molesters child abusers can't walk the yard they have to stay either in the
shoe for their own protection or they're never going to leave their jail cell
because if they do they're going to get beaten up because a lot of these prison
gangs it's part of their creed that that you you beat up child molesters if you
ever see one on the yard I like so this it's funny because the the prison gangs
seem to have a more serious approach of justice toward child's molesters than
the actual justice system right but but that's another story so so not for the
Bidens to go to prison so I hope they don't get the diary so outside of a
couple child molesters getting beaten up there really isn't too much activity
like that at this prison because everybody's trying to trying to get out
it's not like a medium or a high security where guys have long sentences
and they might need to earn some cred or do a gang initiation type of thing so so
on that aspect I never really felt there was never really any situation of
intimidation but the truth is when I when I got in there immediately a couple
guards recognized me a couple inmates recognized me and so when I'm sitting in
there for a week you know it kind of I guess maybe ended up being an advantage
people talking about me like oh you know the guy up there you know I was this guy
so there was you know there was kind of this mystique growing if you will and
then because they you know a political prisoner it's kind of it's kind of bad
ass the guys in there a political prisoner that you know they kind of view
that as a is like a badass situation and when you're the only guy that's ever
been to a federal prison to anybody's knowledge that has on a misdemeanor
that's another thing where they're like damn this guy's only he must like what
what he really do so then my nickname was misdemeanor so so then after I get
out of the solitary and get sent to the shoe for three weeks the mystique just
grows yeah and so by the time by the time I was back in solitary everybody
wanted to talk to me everybody wanted to hear my story he's a legend a lot of
people wanted to get on my show to tell their stories about how corrupt the
justice system was or talk about their book or what they're doing so it was
never really a situation where I felt like I was ever in any any danger or
anything like that I mean like I said there were a couple prison guards you
could tell didn't like me for certain reasons but the vast majority of them
did like me they didn't want me they didn't want my time in there to be so
hard things that I had to go through all came from the top I mean the very top
and these guys had no control over it they basically told me that so but yeah
that it was a little bit maybe you know you think about it going to prison you
can't help yourself but in a low-security prison like the one I was
in it was probably a low-level threat but yeah of course I was worried I was
worried about my food being poisoned but luckily you know all the food is
basically at random so they'd have to poison the entire prison in order to
poison me so that that was a comforting thing when I discovered that and when
you know you talk to all the people that basically most the guys that run the
prison and they're like hey man like your work sorry you're here it was a bit
of a relief. So kind of from a broad perspective here you talked about
wanting to better yourself so you know what would be like your biggest takeaway
from this experience or what did you feel like maybe you you did better
yourself in if you could point to something specifically? You know like I
said it's so hard to say because it feels like it was a different world so I
kind of just have to go back to when I got out and try to remember and you know
just just appreciating life outside of a cage I mean I don't know how else to put
it just appreciating life outside of the cage you you you learn to love the
little things again I mean even just eating a meal that tastes good or that
you want to eat you know for like a week is you just savor that I think though
what again would I really take away and I can't help myself this is just this is
just kind of my life my mind is you know this issue that needs to be addressed of
justice reform you know because of I don't want anybody to go through what I
went through I don't like nonviolent people in prison I don't like political
prisoners you know most I was obviously I'm in an all-male prison about a
thousand inmates and most the guys that are sitting in there every night are
nonviolent offenders and most the guys that are sitting in there every night
are either fathers or grandfathers and and they just there's just no purpose
there's just no purpose they're not a threat to anybody they'd they'd be much
better off and I think everybody would be much better off I mean even if you
want to just put them on house arrest so they could be with their sons and their
daughters and their grandkids so you know I kind of really the one thing that
definitely sticks is you know criminal justice reform is a prison just prison
reform is a big issue of mine but there's no doubt when you get out of
there you learn to appreciate things more you learn to appreciate just basic
things like like a hot meal or a hot shower and I would imagine it would
probably stick a lot more if I was behind there for longer than two months
but definitely for like a month or two it you know every time you can have a
hot shower every time you can eat a meal that you want it's you you remember
and you you really just don't take it for granted yeah I can see having a
greater appreciation for life and you know some of the early shows and
interviews and stuff it just seemed like you had a big smile on your face it
seemed like you definitely were really enjoying coming back into society and I
can't I can't even imagine so you know I definitely appreciate the courage to not
only go through that and stay strong but also like I said keep going you know say
hey you know you may have shut me up for you know 50 days but hey I'm gonna still
you know get out there and put the truth out there and be a journalist and hold
people accountable and try to make a difference and say like hey just because
I went through this I don't want other people to go through it I think that's
a admiral you know viewpoint because I think a lot of individuals would take
that just take an L after that or be discouraged or really in the censorship
war that we live in today how many people today are not saying unpopular
things or dangerous things for fear of losing money that prisons not even
necessarily on the table how much more would they cower if prison or these kind
of things were put on the table and you know our country to have freedom needs
individuals that say hey I'm gonna say the truth I'm gonna do what's right if
you're gonna throw me in prison you know do what you got to do but I'm not gonna
sit here and just allow our country to just be taken over by communism or evil
or whatever regime is waiting in the dark corner that my boss always had
this quote he said the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for
good men to do nothing and I think that that's definitely true what did you have
something less you want to ask here Ben you remember your first meal out of
prison I hate to keep bringing this back to food I'm hungry obviously go ahead
Owen what would do you remember at all yeah it was a Raising Cane's chicken
and where were we man somewhere in Louisiana I can't remember now it's
skipping my mind but we were at a Raising Cane's Raising Cane's chicken it
was probably like 2 30 or 3 in the morning there they were open inside 24/7
and really it was actually hard to eat it at first because you're so used to the
prison slop and so it was you know it's actually it's actually kind of strange
but you could read all about these stories especially again guys that spend
a lot more time than me they can't you can't even eat normal food for a while
you have to like start really basic with like pancakes or just like french fries
or something that you were used to while you were in there or like oatmeal or
something so I I ate some raisin canes I couldn't finish it it just it just I
don't know there's it didn't sit right and then I didn't eat for like 24 hours
and then there's a restaurant here in Austin that I that I like to frequent
it's a steakhouse I'll give them a free shout out because I love them Perry's
and so then I went and I was starving and I finally I chowed through a nice
big fillet I think I had a salad some mashed potatoes some Brussels sprouts I
think we might even gotten a chocolate fudge cake so yeah after after after
like after 36 hours out after the first meal kind of was like a non-starter
then it was time and then I turned it on I had the steak and I was good to go
that sounds great I'm sorry if I'm torturing you right now yeah you kind of
are but that's alright rare steak mashed potatoes with butter and cheese
appreciate appreciate the description there just to build off what you were
saying pastor Shelley I think part of it as well is to intimidate Owen and people
like Owen Shroyer from continuing to speak out that's the idea is like if we
can persecute these guys even threaten them with prison maybe even put them in
prison for a couple of months maybe that'll intimidate them into silence and
make them withdraw from the culture war that's the reason they do what they do
and to double down in response is to say you know what your persecution didn't
work on me and it never will and that's powerful I think yeah and again you know
we really appreciate you you know giving us time and sharing your experience with
us as well I know a lot you've gotten a lot of attention and so I but well
deserved you know staying strong fighting the right fight bringing
attention to the truth and trying to steer the course of our country back and
we don't want to take you know more of your time than then you're gonna give us
and you're really gracious to give us this time we'd love to I guess if
wherever in town we needed to go to Perry's so you can so we can get you
another one of those fillets but there will be no shortage of fillets there's
no shortage of fillets here I promise you and I would say in closing that you
know a couple just cliches but you know God never gives you a test that that he
knows you can't pass or that he that he wants you to go through to strengthen
yourself and so I just kind of look at it like that and you know I was raised
Catholic I have a st. St. Christopher pendant that I wear trying to awkwardly
show it with the microphone here and in the story of St. Christopher he serves
he serves evil and then he serves good and and he realizes the differences and
how much better it is to serve good and as soon as he gets that that dichotomy
he's like oh wow I should have been serving good this whole time and there's
a part where he was a he was the legend says he was a giant and he used to help
people cross the river because he could walk it and it was the current was heavy
so he'd put people on their shoulders and he'd provide him a way across the
river and then one day there was a tiny man that needed crossing and he put the
tiny man on his shoulders and he crosses the river and he notices he's crossing
that the man is getting heavier and heavier and he's like what is going on
and finally he gets to the other side and he puts him down he says I don't
understand what what what happened here and he says I'm probably butchering it
exactly but something like I'm the Lord Jesus Christ and now you know what it's
like to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders and so it was this this
reaffirmation to do good this reaffirmation that you can you can get
through this I'm not gonna give you a test that you can't have and so you know
I just try to carry that forward and whatever whatever growth or attention I
get because of my persecution I just I just hope that I'm able to and I pray
for God's light along the way and that I'm able to use my life and and my
talents for whatever he wants me to. Well God definitely cares about you and he
wants everyone to be saved and you know he wants them to go to heaven and not
only be saved but also live a life that's pleasing unto him and we really
appreciate you know your time. I look forward to you know chatting again
about this topic but we appreciate you giving us some time to share your
experience about prison. I really was excited to get to interview you on this
and so any things you want to plug before we go? Sure tune in to my show
every day on the Infowars War Room. AmericanElection.News is a good link
for that or OwensRoyer.Show. I also have a rumble channel rumble.com/owen
and I'm pretty active on X at OwensRoyer1776. Glad to be back on the
show. Maybe I'll be back here again or moderating another debate that one of
you guys are in but it's a pleasure. Yeah thanks again for joining us and
God bless. Make sure to follow Owen and all those places and Ben I want to talk
about we're gonna do another show here on Saturday. Going to be a recap show
from our Tuesday night show and I think a lot of people are really excited about
this. So I wanted to plug that but you know thoughts on Owen's prison
experience here. What were your thoughts? Well when I first heard about it I
was extremely blackpilled. Dylan sent me a text and he said isn't it crazy that
Owen is in prison and I responded and said yeah kind of seems like this
country just deserves to get nuked off the face of the planet and I don't
really mean that of course but you know it's just the frustration that oozes out
of me. The frustration that I can't help but feel when we have animals like these
drag fag queens defiling children across the country and they get to walk away
free and yet someone like Owen has to spend multiple months in prison and
there are others Joe Biggs is in a much worse situation right now there are
other January 6th people and whether you agree with the January 6th protester
showing up or not that's not the point. The point is it's political speech. The
point is if the left did it then nobody would have been incarcerated for it.
Democrats have been questioning the 2016 election for years without any
ramifications. I guess it's different when they do it. So it just goes to show
you we have a two-tiered justice system in this nation. It is no longer the
America of yesteryear unfortunately and it's only gonna get worse but the good
news is at least we have the Lord Jesus Christ that if God is for us who can be
against us as the question scripture asks. Yeah I definitely think that it
seems very likely that God kind of intervened and helped Owen get out of
there and and I hope that you know from that experience it does help him draw
closer to the Lord that he you know make sure that he gets saved and
understands you know the true gospel and that he can get out of the real prison
you know which is hell nobody wants to go to hell yeah yeah and of course the
Bible makes it abundantly clear that salvation is not by faith and works it's
by faith alone and so people need to realize that salvation is a free gift
it's not something you have to earn or work for and unfortunately a lot of
churches not just Catholic but a lot of Christian churches they teach that
salvation is by works and how you live your life and you know of course we've
got the Baptist bias and salvation is actually by faith alone just by
believing in Jesus Christ and once you're saved you're always saved and we
love going out there and preaching the gospel to people and so you know
hopefully through this show people will end up hearing or finding out about the
gospel and getting saved I mean that's that's part of the reason why we even do
the show is to reach new people and hopefully that they'll go down the true
rabbit hole of the gospel and get saved I know when we kind of talked about this
show we kind of had some different ideas I think that you want to do a fanfare
show but I've been trying to broaden my horizon and talk to all kinds of
different people in the hopes of reaching more with the gospel inevitably
what do you think about that if we focus on us for no more what's the point we
should try and broaden our audience I think that's the responsible position to
have is what can we do to reach new people who have not yet laid eyes on
your preaching or some of our friends preaching the new IFB in general I want
to mention a verse Isaiah 59 14 and judgment is turned away backward and
justice stand at the far off for truth has fallen in the street and equity
cannot enter if that doesn't describe the United States I don't know what does
I think that perfectly describes our country in 2024 and you are absolutely
correct what is the answer well how about the gospel of Jesus Christ and
thankfully the Bible makes it clear about what it takes to be saved one of
my favorite verses on this is Titus chapter 3 verse 5 not by works of
righteousness which we have done but according to his mercy he saved us by
the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost and so you want to
talk about being in bondage to sin and the inevitable consequences of that
after this life that being hell well there is a way out it's believing on the
Lord Jesus Christ and receiving in that very moment not a lifetime not a process
of time but in that very moment eternal life amen and again the name of the show
the Baptist bias it kind of goes without saying if all we were ever gonna do was
stay within a Baptist sphere right so the whole point of the title of the show
is that we're going outside of our echo chamber going outside of our sphere but
we're bringing our Baptist bias with us of course makes me think of Paul saying
you know under the week I became weak under the Jew I was a Jew so he's
talking about going out there trying to find some commonality with individuals
who are not saved so that maybe eventually you know through that
relationship or an opportunity you're gonna give them the gospel you're gonna
expose them to the right thing and they're going to get saved and of course
you know this show we've been really broad in far as what kind of guests what
kind of shows I mean if you told me I was gonna do a flat-earth debate I would
never believe you because that's just you know in my mind just I wouldn't
believe you categorically just like such a insane idea again I would have never
thought that but it's like our most popular show so far which is kind of
crazy to think about that as well but you know at the end of the day I think
some people that are sincere and you know it's not that they're stupid but
they're kind of falling to the trap of a stupid idea have gotten sucked into
weird things and maybe through us exposing you know some of those ideas
maybe we can win a few people over you can normalize them I don't think that
very many people trapped in the flat earth ideology are very willing to learn
or they're very willing to hear new ideas it seems like most of them are
kind of already settled on their opinions but you know perhaps somebody
said they're trapped under the dome that might be apropos but it seems like
there is maybe potentially a few people that you can win over here and there
and of course I think the Bible says we should earnestly contend for the faith
so you know that to me is going out there challenging different ideas
challenging different viewpoints and I think it also helps balance us as well
that we don't create these strawman arguments and that we're actually in the
real world talking to real people about their viewpoints their ideologies and it
helps us to get a better idea of what people really believe what they're
really like you know I think of course soul winning helps us get an idea what
people believe as far as salvation but in other topics it's also just
interesting to see what people think and to challenge them but I'm excited about
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Daniel series we're gonna be doing episode 1 of the Daniel series and
we're not gonna have our regular show but every Tuesday at 8 p.m. we're gonna
be releasing the next of our Daniel series so we'll be doing episode 2 the
following week 3 4 all the way to episodes 12 and so we'll be on a little
bit of a break as far as the regularly scheduled podcast but we'll have the
Daniel series going I may still do several other just random streams we
may do go back to the Friday show where I do the sword drill so that's another
thing you could check out on Fridays at noon can I send a question in for that
or are you not gonna answer questions if I said you might say like put a
different name like all right just you know just so my question actually gets
read yeah exactly you know this is Carl the Baptist you know or whatever what
what's your pseudo name just so I know and I won't I'm not gonna reveal it you
just told me to use a different name so you read the question I'm not really
with that's anytime someone has a question like is this been just well I
just remember you were at a conference and they did a Q&A via the internet and
I was the first question you received and you looked like how could I get away
from this guy like I can't get away from him no you asked good questions so I
appreciate the questions don't don't don't be too hard on yourself all right
but you know I'm excited about that show I'm excited about Tuesday's release tell
us a little bit about the Daniel series it's something you've been working on
for a while now how how do you feel about this thing getting out there well
I have no excuse to not know a little something about the book of Daniel after
watching every sermon like 50 times but no it's been a great project appreciate
the the privilege honestly of getting a chance to help out with this and to get
it completed finally much anticipated many of the folks who follow our content
know that this was a project originally in the works going all the way back to
2018 is when the sermons were preached and a little bit of delay in getting it
released and went from a one owner to another as far as the footage is
concerned but I think we've been able to put together an exciting series with
some intriguing B-roll, eye-catching B-roll and of course how could you go
wrong when you have Pastor Aderson preaching? Yeah, I was there in person so
I actually got to hear the sermons. There's a few crowd shots with you. Yeah I'm kind of
over in the corner. You may remove them but. Yeah I'm excited to release this project because it's
been a long time coming. I know a lot of people donated to it. They're excited to
see it. Also I want to do a shout out to a soul winning marathon trip that's going to be
happening at the end of May. It's in Chicago, specifically May 24th and 25th. Sure Foundation
Baptist Church is hosting a big soul winning push and preaching event. I'm going to be there.
Pastor Thompson is going to be there that Friday night. We're preaching. If you want to find out
information you can always email us but you can also email Sure Foundation Baptist at gmail.com
and they are hosting the event. They're putting it all together. Reach out to Sure
Foundation Baptist Church if you'd like to participate. If you're anywhere in the Chicago
area we would love to see you out there and I'll be preaching in the flesh. So I'm excited to go
to Chicago. I've only been there one time before. That was with you and me going out there to visit
Dr. Stringer. Dr. Phil Stringer. And he's going to be preaching for us later this year again at
Steadfast and I'm excited about that. Also, you know, I've tried to see if I could schedule him
as a special guest interview for our show. So maybe I can get him to come on and talk about things.
He's in a specific group that's pretty cool. It's the King James Bible Research Council.
You've looked into this pretty cool group. What have you learned about that specific association?
They're doctrinally sound and they provide scholarly, biblical, and intellectual defense
of the King James Bible. And that's what I like the most about them.
Well, I love Dr. Stringer's story because he wasn't even King James only.
And he explains that he was kind of actually even researching why not to be King James
and ended up switching and recognizing, well, actually the King James position is the one
that makes sense. And now he's a champion of the King James Bible and an ardent supporter
of the King James Bible. He was in our movie, The Preserved Bible. You got to check it out,
PreservedBible.com. But he also did a full interview with us. You can check that out online too.
Really, really outstanding guy. I really love Dr. Stringer.
Can we get him there maybe?
I don't know. Maybe we should think about that.
If he'll be in town, maybe we could have him sit right here.
Yeah, we could have him on the show in person.
In person.
Oh, man.
Just a thought.
Let me think about that because I need to figure out and plan when he's going to be
here physically because I think he's visiting a couple churches while he's in the area.
So I'm not exactly sure.
But make sure you follow the show, guys.
Thanks so much. We had over 200 people watching.
Of course, we try to take call-ins.
We're definitely going to take call-ins on Saturday.
So if you've been wanting to call in or you feel like you got missed,
you want to check in Saturday.
It's going to either be in the late afternoon or in the evening when we have the show,
but we're definitely having it.
It's going to possibly be a pretty long show, but there's a lot to unpack.
I'm excited to expose some of the insanity that was said in that Flat Earth Debate and
just kind of put it to bed a little bit.
I had a lot of cool slides, a lot of cool images and stuff I wanted to share.
Didn't really get to share all of that because it was never going to happen.
I had like over 80 images.
That was never going to happen in that two hour show that we had.
So you can only show so much but I'm excited to get a chance to really walk through it,
talk about some of those things.
What were your thoughts about the debate?
Just give us a kind of a high level here.
What did you think?
Well, when you drive past a flaming car crash, you can't help but look over and go,
"Hmm, what's going on there?"
Rubbernecking, I think is the term.
Rubbernecking.
Rubbernecking, I think is the term for it.
And so yeah, entertainment, for sure.
Great television, drama, suspense, everything you're looking for in a live stream.
I think that debates, for me, they're always going to be that way
because it's an opportunity to have our worldview challenged.
And Pastor, you brought up that you felt more sharpened after this one.
And after this debate and surely after the Red Heifer debate as well,
I think that's an added positive to these confrontations
is that you get a chance to really study hard on a particular topic
and learn perhaps a little more about it in the process.
Yeah, to me, it made me think like WWE or UFC where it's just all this wild card
and it's crazy and anything can happen.
It's live radio.
We start off where we're fighting over.
You're wondering if the show's even going to happen.
Is it going to happen?
It was like, what is going on?
Drama and it's good.
I mean, think about it.
Think of all the reality shows.
What do they sell reality shows on?
Oh, look, this person had a fight with this other one.
Tune in next week to figure out what happens.
The news media does this all the time where they bring people on to debate
and they bicker and fight over.
This is what people want to watch.
Well, and of course, we're going to still have some other shows.
I think there might be a scheduled debate on Standing for Truth channel
at some point with somebody that believes in work salvation.
And, you know, I'm really scared that they're going to convince me, Ben.
Oh, I'm sure you're going to be having to do like tons and tons
and tons of hours of debate prep on that.
Yeah. So, you know, we're trying to get out there.
We're trying to reach new people, support the show.
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What else can they find us on?
Well, they can find us on, you brought up Apple Podcast.
They could also find us on Spotify.
That's the big one as well.
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And don't forget to check out TheBaptistBias.com.
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Check out Ben on Twitter @BenTheBaptist.
Thank you.
It's @BaptistBen316.
@BaptistBen316.
Make sure to give him a follow.
And I also want to say that if you're listening to our show
and you haven't heard Pastor Shelley preach,
then you need to just search Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble.
Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble.
And his last sermon was on Zechariah chapter number three
in what I thought was an informative Bible study.
So check that out.
Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble.
I think you're missing out if you don't listen to our preaching.
Well, thank you so much for joining us for a special episode of The Baptist Bias.
Thanks so much to Owen Shroyer for joining us.
And look, folks, everyone's got a perspective, but you need to get The Baptist Bias.