WEBVTT 00:01:11.810 --> 00:01:19.920 the authoritarian left grows in power and influence it seems like prison might 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:24.260 actually become the safest place on earth kind of like the end of a game of 00:01:24.260 --> 00:01:30.010 monopoly I got some questions for you do you support the nuclear family do you 00:01:30.010 --> 00:01:35.610 want borders do you oppose the New World Order do you believe men are men and 00:01:35.610 --> 00:01:41.100 women are women are you Christian do you think two plus two is four do you 00:01:41.100 --> 00:01:46.600 actually believe the Bible then get ready to be labeled a political dissident an 00:01:46.600 --> 00:01:52.390 enemy of the state here's the good news you might be cellmates with Owen 00:01:52.390 --> 00:01:57.120 Shroyer while he's not hogging solitary of course in fact we might need to 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.680 release all the criminals to make room for more constitutionalists people who 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:08.830 question elections gun owners people who work out men with families white people 00:02:08.830 --> 00:02:14.790 those who ask the wrong questions but especially anyone that has that bigoted 00:02:14.790 --> 00:02:41.320 anti-semitic patriarchal fascist mindset we call the Baptist bias thanks everybody 00:02:41.320 --> 00:02:45.460 for joining us for a special episode of the Baptist bias I'm here with my co-host 00:02:45.460 --> 00:02:50.250 Ben the Baptist how's going Ben going good excited to be here for another 00:02:50.250 --> 00:02:55.360 episode of our show got a great guest great topic let's get this thing on the 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.350 road yeah I'm really excited about this particular interview we've got a 00:03:00.350 --> 00:03:05.900 return guest Owen Shroyer from info wars gonna be joining us how's it going on 00:03:05.900 --> 00:03:11.120 it's going good and I have to say though I hate to do this right out of the gates 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:15.810 but as a former competitive monopoly player you do not want to be in jail at 00:03:15.810 --> 00:03:19.260 the end of the game that's actually bad news so I don't want your audience to 00:03:19.260 --> 00:03:23.020 get that bad advice you do not want to be in jail at the end of monopoly that 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:27.640 means that you're in a bad place it's good to be back it's gonna be back on 00:03:27.640 --> 00:03:33.740 the show it was it was a joy to moderate a debate that you are in recently and I 00:03:33.740 --> 00:03:37.860 feel like I've told this story so many times by now that I'm pretty much the 00:03:37.860 --> 00:03:42.850 expert on my own story if you will so I'm ready to talk about what I went 00:03:42.850 --> 00:03:47.430 through and and really try to get Americans to understand just what we're 00:03:47.430 --> 00:03:53.290 up against right now with the totalitarian left yeah I usually land on 00:03:53.290 --> 00:03:57.790 the boardwalk so it's really safe for me to be in jail that's why I said that 00:03:57.790 --> 00:04:02.990 but but it's great to have you and you've done some really epic interviews 00:04:02.990 --> 00:04:08.780 already I know you did Tucker after you came out of prison and I know you went 00:04:08.780 --> 00:04:13.740 on I think Tim cast and really several others I think you and info wars Rob 00:04:13.740 --> 00:04:19.730 did a recent interview about your prison experiences as well and of course I 00:04:19.730 --> 00:04:22.910 don't want to necessarily be a broken record but I do want to still cover a 00:04:22.910 --> 00:04:27.350 few of the same basics I'm also interested it seems like from some of 00:04:27.350 --> 00:04:30.650 your posts or some of the things that I was following while you're in there you 00:04:30.650 --> 00:04:34.910 talked about reading the Bible and I definitely would be interested in asking 00:04:34.910 --> 00:04:41.800 you about that but you made some videos too kind of like a pre prison video and 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:46.160 like a post prison video I don't know if I want to necessarily play them but we 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.250 could kind of you can show the picture up there of at least what this video 00:04:49.250 --> 00:04:54.260 looks like what was going through your mind as you're about to be put into 00:04:54.260 --> 00:05:01.630 federal prison here well I was able to mentally prepare myself you might say 00:05:01.630 --> 00:05:08.720 since I I got about a month or so knowledge in advance that that I was 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.060 sentenced to prison so it wasn't like they hauled me right out of the courtroom 00:05:12.060 --> 00:05:18.280 so I was able to mentally prepare myself a little bit how you know how close is 00:05:18.280 --> 00:05:23.920 that to the reality now looking back you know it's a funny thing actually it 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.480 feels like an entirely different world it feels like it was an entirely 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:33.250 different life and while I was in there it felt like it was forever while I was 00:05:33.250 --> 00:05:39.510 in there it felt like it was forever and you know the countdown it never be soon 00:05:39.510 --> 00:05:42.450 enough now that I'm out it was like it was just a completely different world a 00:05:42.450 --> 00:05:49.960 completely different life but my mindset going in was you know I talked to my 00:05:49.960 --> 00:05:55.520 family before I talked to my friends before I tried to I try to find some 00:05:55.520 --> 00:06:02.480 ways to look at the positive I try to find some ways to kind of fortify my own 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:10.210 mind one example would be I think about you know I have grandparents a lot of my 00:06:10.210 --> 00:06:14.710 family were former military I think about the time they spent probably a lot 00:06:14.710 --> 00:06:20.410 harder at times than than me going to prison for two months I think about the 00:06:20.410 --> 00:06:27.010 veterans that I talked to every day and what their commitment to country to God 00:06:27.010 --> 00:06:32.210 and country is and so I kind of just looked at it like my service in a way I 00:06:32.210 --> 00:06:37.010 think you know I looked at it like this is this is my my duty my service to the 00:06:37.010 --> 00:06:41.740 country to go through this you know a long time ago I've I've accepted that 00:06:41.740 --> 00:06:45.060 everything is part of God's plan sometimes that goes in your favor 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:49.500 sometimes it doesn't but it's all part of God's plan and so you know you kind 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:52.920 of just you just kind of learn to take the good with the bad I think when 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.620 that's your mentality but you know the final thing I wanted to kind of go out 00:06:56.620 --> 00:07:01.660 with or go in with rather was a message of positivity I knew a lot of people 00:07:01.660 --> 00:07:07.500 were gonna see that being is it was my last video before incarceration and so I 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:11.370 wanted to go out with something positive I wanted to go out with something 00:07:11.370 --> 00:07:17.950 inspiring and so I recorded it and I said I'm gonna be in here 60 days I'm 00:07:17.950 --> 00:07:23.150 gonna find a way to improve myself so in the next 60 days I hope that you hearing 00:07:23.150 --> 00:07:28.780 this can find a way to improve yourself so that was kind of my approach say in 00:07:28.780 --> 00:07:34.620 the last 48 to 24 hours and then right before I went in well and again you know 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:39.360 this is federal prison it sounds like you must have been a really bad criminal 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:44.520 what was the charge that they even gave you for this it was a misdemeanor charge 00:07:44.520 --> 00:07:48.290 entering and remaining on restricted government grounds it's basically a 00:07:48.290 --> 00:07:56.300 minor or lesser they say trespassing charge very few people if any have ever 00:07:56.300 --> 00:07:59.650 gone to prison in fact nobody's ever heard of anybody that's gone to prison 00:07:59.650 --> 00:08:04.960 with this charge there are other there were other January 6 defendants there 00:08:04.960 --> 00:08:09.970 might still be some in the future there were some other January 6 defendants 00:08:09.970 --> 00:08:12.780 that had the same charge they didn't have to go to prison they didn't deal 00:08:12.780 --> 00:08:18.010 with any of the probation that I'm dealing with either so that that that's 00:08:18.010 --> 00:08:22.070 basically the charge is they were claiming that the capital grounds that I 00:08:22.070 --> 00:08:27.880 was on that day were restricted government grounds and so that was my 00:08:27.880 --> 00:08:33.630 that was the the misdemeanor that I eventually pled to and you would 00:08:33.630 --> 00:08:39.020 obviously ask what about and and I'm certainly not asking for anybody else to 00:08:39.020 --> 00:08:45.890 be charged or incarcerated but the question here is obvious why am I the 00:08:45.890 --> 00:08:50.970 only one of the hundreds of thousands or more that went on to the capital grounds 00:08:50.970 --> 00:08:55.340 that day and I think we got a pretty good idea why it's obviously political 00:08:55.340 --> 00:09:00.060 persecution right but we didn't even we didn't even want to take that that 00:09:00.060 --> 00:09:05.310 argument to the judge because we kind of flirted with it a little bit and the 00:09:05.310 --> 00:09:09.420 response from the government was well our investigation isn't over so if we 00:09:09.420 --> 00:09:13.860 would have tried to say to the judge well certainly this is clearly political 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:18.260 persecution Owen Schreuer is the only person that is being charged with this 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:21.980 of all the people well they said the investigation is ongoing so eventually 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:25.020 they did end up charging some other people and maybe there might be some 00:09:25.020 --> 00:09:30.830 more charges before the end of the year even right because I mean we're talking 00:09:30.830 --> 00:09:34.780 about hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that are standing 00:09:34.780 --> 00:09:40.070 right by you in the same spot I mean it's not like you were just in some 00:09:40.070 --> 00:09:44.200 isolated place by yourself I mean correct me if I'm wrong I don't even 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.040 think you entered the Capitol is that correct? Yeah I never stepped foot in the 00:09:48.040 --> 00:09:52.630 Capitol. And we had lots of people that were entered in the Capitol so obviously 00:09:52.630 --> 00:09:56.650 it's clear persecution against you specifically being a voice that is 00:09:56.650 --> 00:10:01.960 powerful inspiring a lot of people inspiring a lot of young individuals and 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:06.950 you know I think what's encouraging though is that even though you did have 00:10:06.950 --> 00:10:11.610 to go through this you didn't have a woe is me attitude you weren't saying like 00:10:11.610 --> 00:10:15.390 well this is you know darn my luck or something but rather you said hey I want 00:10:15.390 --> 00:10:19.800 to get better I want to come out stronger and not only did you say that 00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:23.730 hey you're still on the front lines fighting and I think that that says a 00:10:23.730 --> 00:10:27.710 lot to your character because I think a lot of people after getting this 00:10:27.710 --> 00:10:32.370 persecution would say I'm kind of done fighting the machine because I'm the 00:10:32.370 --> 00:10:36.890 only one that's really suffering here because let's be honest there's very few 00:10:36.890 --> 00:10:42.520 people that are going to prison for specifically what you went through and I 00:10:42.520 --> 00:10:45.830 know there's other January 6 prisoners and I'm not trying to undermine what 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:50.510 they're going through but specifically I mean this is like nothing you're just 00:10:50.510 --> 00:10:56.690 out there at the very iconic event a very special event I mean this is 00:10:56.690 --> 00:11:00.420 something that a lot of people are saying hey we don't know that this 00:11:00.420 --> 00:11:06.330 election is legitimate we feel like our country is being taken from us and you 00:11:06.330 --> 00:11:09.400 know it was a big deal especially when people breach the Capitol means every 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:14.090 news station it was a major event a lot of people were kind of wondering what's 00:11:14.090 --> 00:11:18.730 going on it's very chaotic I believe isn't that it's about the same timeline 00:11:18.730 --> 00:11:23.170 when Trump was banned from Twitter I think like almost happened afterward but 00:11:23.170 --> 00:11:28.600 it was based on January 6 shortly afterward based on erroneous claims of 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:34.290 what they said that Trump said on January 6 they claimed that he incited 00:11:34.290 --> 00:11:37.660 violence when he did the complete opposite and you know it kind of makes 00:11:37.660 --> 00:11:43.620 me feel like you know are we living in a Bolshevik type revolution or something 00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:48.440 is there is there really you know our government hasn't been seized or taken 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:54.050 over I mean what is your viewpoint when it comes to this type of persecution is 00:11:54.050 --> 00:11:58.190 it over is it is it just getting started like where where do you see this headed 00:11:58.190 --> 00:12:04.780 well it's certainly far from over at least until maybe Trump gets back into 00:12:04.780 --> 00:12:10.910 office but but even then the truth of the matter is I think at this point the 00:12:10.910 --> 00:12:16.520 reality is as long as the Democrat Party exists and can still get any semblance 00:12:16.520 --> 00:12:23.500 of power back then this threat is always going to loom and that's not to that's 00:12:23.500 --> 00:12:26.870 not an endorsement of the Republicans or even to say that the Republicans 00:12:26.870 --> 00:12:31.730 wouldn't be somehow above this I think that the Republicans could could do 00:12:31.730 --> 00:12:35.340 something similar as well I mean we've seen some of the response that they've 00:12:35.340 --> 00:12:41.050 had to protesters on college campuses not to not to go into another topic but 00:12:41.050 --> 00:12:45.020 I mean we've seen that we've seen this anti-semitic bill that is extremely 00:12:45.020 --> 00:12:49.620 authoritarian and anti-first amendment but I think the threat right now the 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:53.800 direct threat is Democrats at least in the in the practical sense that we've 00:12:53.800 --> 00:13:01.120 seen applied and so the thing that I try to explain to people because we tend to 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:06.240 look back on history and and and history repeats itself and and we want to learn 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:10.650 from history so you can talk about all kinds of revolutions and authoritarian 00:13:10.650 --> 00:13:18.020 regimes I try to humanize it for people and until you've been in my position 00:13:18.020 --> 00:13:22.410 it's hard to understand this and so the way that I explain it is when you're in 00:13:22.410 --> 00:13:28.210 that courtroom and the courtroom is basically a triangle situation you have 00:13:28.210 --> 00:13:32.360 yourself with your defense attorneys right here and then you have the 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.990 government the prosecuting attorneys the u.s. attorneys right here and then 00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:42.500 at the at the top you have the judge and the understanding or the expectation of 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:50.450 the American people going into this situation is that justice is the goal 00:13:50.450 --> 00:13:56.280 justice is what everybody in the courtroom is searching for but when you 00:13:56.280 --> 00:14:02.110 are in that corner of the triangle that I was in you quickly realize that that's 00:14:02.110 --> 00:14:06.920 not the case that's not the case at all justice in fact never comes into the 00:14:06.920 --> 00:14:14.890 equation and in fact it's not even a process evidence doesn't matter truth 00:14:14.890 --> 00:14:21.220 doesn't matter it's a it's a rigged system against you and so when you go 00:14:21.220 --> 00:14:27.210 through that it really hits home it makes the whole thing a reality aside 00:14:27.210 --> 00:14:32.180 from just the conjecture and the commentary on it it really makes it a 00:14:32.180 --> 00:14:38.020 reality and so for a lot of people I think it's hard to it's really hard to 00:14:38.020 --> 00:14:40.760 even understand what that's like to go through that and you know you talk 00:14:40.760 --> 00:14:46.430 about getting out and going back on the front lines it was never a doubt to me 00:14:46.430 --> 00:14:54.670 and so I've worked with Alex Jones for I guess eight years now and I've worked 00:14:54.670 --> 00:15:01.400 with Roger Stone I have followed Donald Trump and you know these are these are 00:15:01.400 --> 00:15:05.990 three men that that never gave up either so so certainly I was not in a 00:15:05.990 --> 00:15:10.010 situation where I was ever going to give up maybe they thought they could break 00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:15.930 me with all of this the point being these principles these values these 00:15:15.930 --> 00:15:19.950 cornerstones of our constitutional republic one of them being justice 00:15:19.950 --> 00:15:24.810 another one being free speech you know I've had to learn the hard way that 00:15:24.810 --> 00:15:29.830 that's not something that I I've had as an American these are these are two 00:15:29.830 --> 00:15:40.000 rights of mine that have been I have been infringed upon so I think that when 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.870 you go through that unfortunately you realize how bad it really is when you 00:15:43.870 --> 00:15:48.420 realize that there's no hopes of justice because if there's no justice then you 00:15:48.420 --> 00:15:54.110 know there's really nothing else anybody anybody can just be thrown away by the 00:15:54.110 --> 00:16:02.190 government with without a real courtroom without a real defense without even the 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:06.850 opportunity to have justice so it becomes very real in that process and 00:16:06.850 --> 00:16:12.380 unfortunately I had to go through that I'd I'd wish it on nobody I'd wish it on 00:16:12.380 --> 00:16:17.510 not even my enemies yeah like Trump's court cases are also kind of like a 00:16:17.510 --> 00:16:22.970 kangaroo court not legitimate we've actually had we've had two legal cases 00:16:22.970 --> 00:16:27.920 we had a trial that was honestly frankly a kangaroo court and then we 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:31.950 ended up paying to go to a higher level and the judge didn't even allow us to 00:16:31.950 --> 00:16:34.970 have the hearing he literally just already had made his mind up and just 00:16:34.970 --> 00:16:38.460 didn't even let us present any evidence and it was just over and it it was kind 00:16:38.460 --> 00:16:41.930 of flabbergasting to think like this is what our justice system has turned to 00:16:41.930 --> 00:16:47.330 and you know they just don't care about rule of law there's really no 00:16:47.330 --> 00:16:51.460 accountability for a lot of these individuals and you can kind of tell 00:16:51.460 --> 00:16:56.480 that the political pressure or their personal biases or maybe even their 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.030 friends really have a lot more to do with what's going on in the courtroom 00:17:00.030 --> 00:17:05.810 then like you said justice trying to weigh the evidence trying to have a fair 00:17:05.810 --> 00:17:09.210 show and that's not to say that all judges are bad or that all these legal 00:17:09.210 --> 00:17:12.860 proceedings are bad necessarily but it's clear that there's a lot of bad 00:17:12.860 --> 00:17:17.450 things going on in the courtroom in America and it's it's not even just 00:17:17.450 --> 00:17:22.220 limited to Trump it's going on in your case it's going on in other cases the 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:27.660 January 6 trials and those individuals it doesn't seem like they're getting a 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:33.750 fair shake either but of course it happened you went to federal prison and 00:17:33.750 --> 00:17:37.810 I think initially you're put in solitary confinement and honestly I've 00:17:37.810 --> 00:17:42.350 thought about this and it's a it's a gruesome punishment just the idea of 00:17:42.350 --> 00:17:48.270 just having no interaction with any human and I'm kind of curious like what 00:17:48.270 --> 00:17:53.140 exactly did they give you in there like do you even have access to like books or 00:17:53.140 --> 00:17:58.740 or anything or is it just literally you in a padded sail well I'll get into 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:02.320 that in a second I want to address one thing that you just brought up and I 00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:06.750 think it's this has become something when I really got out I focused on this 00:18:06.750 --> 00:18:11.350 messaging and every time I get the opportunity I want to bring this up 00:18:11.350 --> 00:18:18.550 especially because we as conservatives tend to overlook this because we tend to 00:18:18.550 --> 00:18:22.960 land on the side of you know pro-law enforcement pro-police and so we kind of 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:28.150 lose the I think we kind of lose the mission through all the fog when it 00:18:28.150 --> 00:18:32.810 comes to justice reform another problem my case was obviously political but 00:18:32.810 --> 00:18:38.950 another problem with the justice system is many times in all kinds of different 00:18:38.950 --> 00:18:43.210 cases justice never really enters the equation because what you have is a 00:18:43.210 --> 00:18:50.260 prosecuting attorneys federal attorneys US attorneys and their goal is to have 00:18:50.260 --> 00:18:58.240 a high success rate so what they do is they overcharge you so whether you know 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:02.200 maybe you're you're caught with drugs or a money laundering situation or whatever 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:08.690 it can be anything and so they they just overcharge you to such a degree that for 00:19:08.690 --> 00:19:13.580 a minor crime you might be facing decades in prison so that way they work 00:19:13.580 --> 00:19:17.890 it down to a plea deal you think that this is getting off easy your lawyer 00:19:17.890 --> 00:19:21.640 tells you to take it because it's getting off easy when really that should 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.860 have been the only charge you ever faced and you should have been able to take it 00:19:24.860 --> 00:19:30.090 to a trial with a jury of your peers and and argue it in front of the judge and 00:19:30.090 --> 00:19:36.280 then have a fair decision and a fair sentencing but they overcharge 00:19:36.280 --> 00:19:41.260 dramatically so you take the plea deal and then they have their success rates 00:19:41.260 --> 00:19:47.740 high so that they can climb the ladder claim they have a 100 percent success 00:19:47.740 --> 00:19:51.790 rate dealing with this and then the judge he's all about filling the prisons 00:19:51.790 --> 00:19:57.220 he likes the incarceration aspect he gets to fill the prisons and so when you 00:19:57.220 --> 00:20:02.130 when you add that into the justice system you realize that yes my case was 00:20:02.130 --> 00:20:07.800 political but that doesn't mean that my situation the courtroom was unique to 00:20:07.800 --> 00:20:13.430 me just because it was politically or politically motivated so that's another 00:20:13.430 --> 00:20:19.370 problem with the justice system is this process that rewards high incarceration 00:20:19.370 --> 00:20:26.910 rates high charge rates by prosecuting attorneys and so it even in other cases 00:20:26.910 --> 00:20:32.170 it's it's almost impossible to get justice now here's the situation when I 00:20:32.170 --> 00:20:36.390 first went in and it was all totally unexpected so it was like as soon as I 00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:41.520 got in there I got hit with a you know a shock because you like I said you 00:20:41.520 --> 00:20:44.960 prepare yourself I talked to other federal prisoners what to expect you 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:48.130 know I did as much research on the prison as I could to try to figure out 00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:51.460 what to expect and then boom you go in there in the first week you're in 00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:56.960 solitary confinement that was a COVID protocol that was all a COVID protocol so 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:01.740 it was total nonsense of course didn't have COVID there was no reason to put 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:07.140 me in solitary for a week but nonetheless I get out I make a phone 00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:11.130 call and then I get sent to the special housing unit it's known as the shoe 00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:18.560 basically the prison inside of the prison and once again I hear this almost 00:21:18.560 --> 00:21:22.950 the entire time or really with any part of the process dealing with attorneys and 00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:27.500 courtrooms and the incarceration and the probation never seen anything like this 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:33.440 before so I got put into the shoe the special housing unit the prison in the 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:38.550 prison for a phone call the everybody involved in the process had never heard 00:21:38.550 --> 00:21:43.450 of anybody going to the shoe for this everybody that was in the prison long 00:21:43.450 --> 00:21:47.740 timers had never heard of anybody going to the shoe for this so again it was 00:21:47.740 --> 00:21:51.980 more politically motivated and I was basically told that by people inside the 00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:54.910 prison that this came from the higher-ups it was off record so I'm not 00:21:54.910 --> 00:21:59.660 going to go too much further into detail past that when you're in there your 00:21:59.660 --> 00:22:05.560 access to anything is obviously very limited you can't leave the cell you get 00:22:05.560 --> 00:22:12.970 you get 10 minutes to shower three days a week it's the weakest shower you ever 00:22:12.970 --> 00:22:15.930 had you basically push a little button and there's a dribble that comes out of 00:22:15.930 --> 00:22:21.890 the wall the water is freezing cold the food is horrible you get your three 00:22:21.890 --> 00:22:25.250 meals a day at first you don't want to eat it because it looks so gross by day 00:22:25.250 --> 00:22:31.030 three or four you can't wait to get it because you're starving I lost at least 00:22:31.030 --> 00:22:37.180 15 pounds I don't remember for the first time since high school I was under 160 00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:42.120 pounds today I probably weigh maybe just shy of 180 I'm usually between 175 180 00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:48.400 so I lost at least 15 pounds in the process pretty much books are your best 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.460 resource there now I was lucky because I had a bunch of people sending me books 00:22:52.460 --> 00:22:56.760 so I kind of had like my own library to choose from they have a prison library 00:22:56.760 --> 00:23:00.920 but it's you know you're there's not too much good reading material there I had a 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:06.710 lot like what did you enjoy reading the Bible mostly I really enjoyed reading 00:23:06.710 --> 00:23:11.090 the Bible there were a couple other books that I found really easy to read 00:23:11.090 --> 00:23:16.000 and pass the time that were kind of just more informational like one was 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.740 called like stories of the world or something like that and I just learned 00:23:18.740 --> 00:23:24.930 crazy things about different cultures so those were the two books that I like 00:23:24.930 --> 00:23:30.030 doing you know I would do I got mailed crossword puzzles so those were kind of 00:23:30.030 --> 00:23:36.510 big ways to pass the time actually have a list of all the books I read that I'm 00:23:36.510 --> 00:23:40.300 probably I'm eventually gonna write I've already written my own book I just 00:23:40.300 --> 00:23:45.500 need to kind of editorialize it and get it ready for publishing which has been a 00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:51.000 bit of a process but books are you're the way to pass time I mean if you can 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.710 sleep they don't turn the lights off but if you can sleep that's a way to pass 00:23:54.710 --> 00:24:01.190 the time you don't even have any access to a clock so the only way you can even 00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:06.450 keep track of time is based off of your meals which are not exactly timely every 00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:09.870 day and you have a pretty good idea what time it is based on the meal but the 00:24:09.870 --> 00:24:14.000 prison guard does a walk every 30 minutes so you might try to just time 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:19.400 everything based off of that and when you get your food I mean that's pretty 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:24.440 much it I think the the 21 days I believe it was that I was in the shoe I 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:30.020 think they let us outside maybe once I think they let us outside for a 15-minute 00:24:30.020 --> 00:24:35.450 wreck it's just a it's a cage outside that you can just be outside in so I 00:24:35.450 --> 00:24:40.750 think I think we got maybe that once it's hard to remember but that's pretty 00:24:40.750 --> 00:24:47.270 much your situation you're just laying in your bed now I tried to yeah there's 00:24:47.270 --> 00:24:51.330 only so much you can do it's not very big at all but you have enough room to 00:24:51.330 --> 00:24:57.260 do push-ups or do you know lunges or something like that so I tried to 00:24:57.260 --> 00:25:02.150 exercise as much as possible but there's really not much you you try to sleep as 00:25:02.150 --> 00:25:08.180 much as you can you know you try to read as much as you can to pass the time and 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:13.270 that's pretty much it that's pretty much it when you're there then you know after 00:25:13.270 --> 00:25:16.710 having a hard day at work this seems like nothing you know and a hard day work 00:25:16.710 --> 00:25:22.850 compared to that I mean that's intense yeah for sure I mean you brought up the 00:25:22.850 --> 00:25:27.110 fact that they gave you and I know that there's more complex issues here but they 00:25:27.110 --> 00:25:31.090 gave you food that at first was disgusting but then you could not wait 00:25:31.090 --> 00:25:35.730 to eat later because of how hungry you were could you provide maybe an example 00:25:35.730 --> 00:25:43.770 of what they fed you if possible I mean you can imagine it's imagine like the 00:25:43.770 --> 00:25:49.280 worst version of Michelle Obama cafeteria food that you possibly can and 00:25:49.280 --> 00:25:58.860 that's that's basically it Wow yeah I mean like I'm trying to remember yeah I 00:25:58.860 --> 00:26:03.680 mean I just remember basically cafeteria food is it like basically the Vegas 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:10.160 vacation when they go to the buffet and you guys just getting the green slop and 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.900 the red slop or whatever you know I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it was like 00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:19.370 that I mean it was food you know you knew you knew what you were eating like 00:26:19.370 --> 00:26:25.180 you knew the beans were beans or the chicken was chicken so I mean it wasn't 00:26:25.180 --> 00:26:31.230 it wasn't like that but it wasn't it wasn't enough to fill you and there was 00:26:31.230 --> 00:26:37.780 really no taste to it so it's and it's not it's not very you know it comes in a 00:26:37.780 --> 00:26:43.180 little tray and a lot of the stuff because I have a really strict diet and 00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:49.190 so a lot of the stuff I just wouldn't even eat ever outside but you know like 00:26:49.190 --> 00:26:57.460 I said when you're in there you just that's it starve yeah well in reading 00:26:57.460 --> 00:27:01.540 the Bible is this is this something that is kind of like the first time maybe you 00:27:01.540 --> 00:27:09.500 went cover-to-cover in or what was kind of your experience with that probably 00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:14.480 probably the first time I ever went cover-to-cover now I was I was born and 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:21.360 raised in a Catholic household I went to a Catholic grade school I went to a 00:27:21.360 --> 00:27:25.910 high school called Christian Brothers College prep it was a former military 00:27:25.910 --> 00:27:31.730 Academy so I wasn't I wasn't no stranger to the Bible I I'd been reading the 00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:36.340 Bible my entire life I was brought up on the Bible so so I knew the Bible well 00:27:36.340 --> 00:27:39.730 but yeah first time probably that I ever just read it straight up cover-to-cover 00:27:39.730 --> 00:27:44.790 I would say so it anything that kind of stuck out to you or is there anything 00:27:44.790 --> 00:27:49.540 you know maybe that you learned for the first time that you thought was really 00:27:49.540 --> 00:27:54.120 interesting while you're in there a lot stuck out to me in fact I have a whole 00:27:54.120 --> 00:27:59.070 list I've got it I've got it right down here actually I could grab it maybe 00:27:59.070 --> 00:28:06.600 yeah all right give me one second here no you're good I would be just super 00:28:06.600 --> 00:28:11.600 angry if I was at that situation that's all I thought about it and you know if 00:28:11.600 --> 00:28:17.340 you didn't get books or something I mean I I've read and like watch some videos 00:28:17.340 --> 00:28:21.410 of people on it's actually in another room eventually yeah you're goers yeah 00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:26.040 I've seen some people literally go crazy in solitary and I could see that 00:28:26.040 --> 00:28:28.770 especially from a time perspective you just don't even know when you know what 00:28:28.770 --> 00:28:32.690 time of day it is it kind of makes me think of a movie that I really love it's 00:28:32.690 --> 00:28:36.910 called The Count of Monte Cristo I don't ever seen this but a large portion of 00:28:36.910 --> 00:28:40.310 the film just assume I've never seen any movie yeah yeah that's probably true a 00:28:40.310 --> 00:28:44.730 large portion of the film the main characters in they basically kind of 00:28:44.730 --> 00:28:48.570 like a solitary style prison sentence but it's like indefinite it's just for 00:28:48.570 --> 00:28:54.210 the rest of his life and he is just like marking on the wall with rocks like the 00:28:54.210 --> 00:28:58.810 days or something and then he eventually just gives up well it's just like it's 00:28:58.810 --> 00:29:03.670 not how humans are supposed to be living it's not the environment that humans 00:29:03.670 --> 00:29:07.670 are supposed to be in and it makes you feel like a caged animal yeah and that's 00:29:07.670 --> 00:29:13.650 how they treat you this is a it's definitely cruel and unusual cruel and 00:29:13.650 --> 00:29:17.490 punished but they locked them in a box essentially is what they did there's 00:29:17.490 --> 00:29:21.430 nothing in the Bible that teaches solitary confinement absolutely not and it's 00:29:21.430 --> 00:29:28.930 disgusting so you know again our prison system definitely has issues the Bible 00:29:28.930 --> 00:29:32.600 just doesn't even have people locked up even just in a cage with other people 00:29:32.600 --> 00:29:37.100 you know obviously a temporary holding cell until maybe sentencing but it 00:29:37.100 --> 00:29:42.240 should be so brief that it's not really the main punishment but today it's just 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:47.520 locking people up in a cage and you know that's it's it's just sad that that 00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:50.110 happens to a lot of individuals but you know a lot of people in the Bible went 00:29:50.110 --> 00:29:54.760 to prison Joseph went to prison he's kind of the first one you have Jeremiah 00:29:54.760 --> 00:30:01.940 Jesus John Peter Paul you've got Silas I mean the list goes on it's some pretty 00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:06.550 good people went to jail so you know you're in good company there oh and I 00:30:06.550 --> 00:30:12.320 don't know if you got some your notes with you I yeah I do right here and I 00:30:12.320 --> 00:30:17.250 would say the one thing I do remember was when Paul was in prison and it was a 00:30:17.250 --> 00:30:20.200 Bible verse I know I have it in here I don't I'm not the best at memorizing the 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:26.770 verses but it talks about the God rattling the cages opening opening the 00:30:26.770 --> 00:30:31.390 gates of the prison so he could walk out yeah and that's kind of how that's kind 00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:34.660 of how I felt I bet that's probably in my notes here what do you say it was 00:30:34.660 --> 00:30:40.460 act 16 yeah so they actually sing praises at midnight and then God opens 00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:48.480 the doors and Paul and Silas are there and the jailers afraid of being killed 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.760 because all the prisoners are going to be released but the Bible says he fell 00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:56.640 down in verse 30 and he asked them sirs what must I do to be saved and they said 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.890 believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved so it's actually one 00:31:00.890 --> 00:31:04.630 of the coolest stories in the Bible because it also gives the gospel like 00:31:04.630 --> 00:31:09.000 how to be saved and how to go to heaven and it's through like believing on Jesus 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:14.700 Christ specifically just by faith and what he did and it's kind of symbolic 00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.800 there because it's like the doors of the jail are wide open and they just get to 00:31:18.800 --> 00:31:23.020 go free and that's just kind of how the gospel is that all of our sins are just 00:31:23.020 --> 00:31:28.120 wiped away through the blood of Jesus Christ and we get to go out free. I 00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:32.390 really also like the attitude of Paul and Silas they're very encouraged and 00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:35.430 they're encouraging themselves and that kind of reminds me of your testimony a 00:31:35.430 --> 00:31:39.930 little bit of you encouraging yourself but I do want you to share you know 00:31:39.930 --> 00:31:45.950 what you got from this this passage. Well you said it was Acts 16 right? And I'm 00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.640 guessing verse 24 through 26 I have it written down right here I don't know if 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:56.680 you guys I'll try to put that on the camera. Yeah we can see it. Nice. Yeah. Acts 16, 24, 26. 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.140 So these are all the these were all my favorite Bible verses while I was in 00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:04.580 there. I plan on eventually getting into this I don't know maybe I'm avoiding it 00:32:04.580 --> 00:32:07.890 because I don't want to relive all of it or it's probably more just that I've 00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:15.010 been so busy. So somebody actually sent me this it's a scripture confessionals 00:32:15.010 --> 00:32:20.030 and so I would wake up every day and read one or two and read one or two 00:32:20.030 --> 00:32:25.610 before I would go to bed every night and then I would use the back empty pages to 00:32:25.610 --> 00:32:29.280 just write my favorite verses so it's funny because that one is in here 00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:34.930 obviously but yeah anytime I would read something that really stuck out to me or 00:32:34.930 --> 00:32:40.840 resonated with me or I felt could be applied towards what we're going through 00:32:40.840 --> 00:32:46.600 now that I would I would take this out and I would write it down and revisit it 00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:52.640 later so that was um yeah that was kind of my process throughout the days when I 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:56.760 would when I would read it is oh wow that stuck out to me and I'd write down 00:32:56.760 --> 00:33:01.870 the verse and you know I plan on revisiting it later and then saying oh 00:33:01.870 --> 00:33:06.460 yeah this is why this meant something to me or oh yeah this looks like or sounds 00:33:06.460 --> 00:33:09.020 like something that we might be going through now some valuable information 00:33:09.020 --> 00:33:15.010 here well and you know interestingly enough you kind of bring up that passage 00:33:15.010 --> 00:33:22.300 and it does seem like your sentence ended up getting it ended sooner than 00:33:22.300 --> 00:33:26.320 what you originally sentenced for I don't know the exact number was it like 00:33:26.320 --> 00:33:31.360 47 48 days maybe that you served what was the yeah I was supposed to serve 60 00:33:31.360 --> 00:33:36.520 I think it was right at 50 yeah okay around 50 so you got out there a little 00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:42.670 sooner when did you find out like that they might send you out there sooner or 00:33:42.670 --> 00:33:47.300 that you're gonna get out there free like what how did that work well this 00:33:47.300 --> 00:33:50.500 might surprise you guys to find out but they don't really give you much 00:33:50.500 --> 00:33:55.420 information when you're in there and they don't really treat you with much 00:33:55.420 --> 00:34:04.460 respect or dignity so it's it I think I found out 48 hours 48 hours before and 00:34:04.460 --> 00:34:09.270 so there was you know they're never clear about what or why some of the 00:34:09.270 --> 00:34:13.740 people think some of the people inside think it was because the first step act 00:34:13.740 --> 00:34:18.230 that was signed by Trump others said that's not the case because I didn't 00:34:18.230 --> 00:34:20.810 even have a long enough sentence for that to kick in I think that only 00:34:20.810 --> 00:34:23.940 happens after if you have like a year sentence that they can kick that in so 00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:28.180 some people say no that didn't apply to you so there was some kind of debate on 00:34:28.180 --> 00:34:35.070 that others think that it was because my name was brought up at the BOP the 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:40.150 Bureau of Prisons hearing they thought that because Matt Gates mentioned my 00:34:40.150 --> 00:34:43.810 name they were fighting for another two billion dollars and they couldn't 00:34:43.810 --> 00:34:47.720 answer any questions about me or my treatment or anything like that and it 00:34:47.720 --> 00:34:51.490 was a bad look so they think that that maybe that was why they wanted to get 00:34:51.490 --> 00:34:55.640 me out of there now they're petitioning for the two billion dollars again so 00:34:55.640 --> 00:34:58.710 some people think that that might have had something to do with it you know 00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:04.560 either way to me it was still an act of God whether it was through the hearing 00:35:04.560 --> 00:35:08.300 or whether it was through the prayers or whether it was through a first step act 00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:13.200 you know to me it was it was it was God's plan and so but yeah I think I got 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:18.840 48 hours advanced warning I think is about what it was well you bring up act 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:25.190 16 verse 25 says and at midnight Paul and Silas prayed and saying praises 00:35:25.190 --> 00:35:32.000 unto God and the prisoners heard them and what sticks out to me is that here 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.070 we have these two men in prison and yet they are singing praises to God the 00:35:37.070 --> 00:35:42.950 positivity that they're exhibiting in spite of their situation and I brought 00:35:42.950 --> 00:35:47.210 this up when you went to get your notes about the feeling of anger that would 00:35:47.210 --> 00:35:53.110 permeate at least me in a situation like that to be incarcerated wrongfully for 00:35:53.110 --> 00:35:56.920 political speech as a political dissident in a country that's supposed 00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:05.350 to be one that offers freedom but here's my question for you Owen were you ever 00:36:05.350 --> 00:36:11.350 blackpilled whether it was there a day or multiple days where you were just 00:36:11.350 --> 00:36:17.800 totally blackpilled and down or even just pissed off at the backwards nature 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:23.550 of our justice system were somewhat like use incarcerated while criminals are 00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:27.610 running around free going up and down our streets and terrorizing people I 00:36:27.610 --> 00:36:35.560 definitely hit a low point I I remember it distinctive distinctively when I hit 00:36:35.560 --> 00:36:42.260 my low point I wouldn't say I was blackpilled I don't even know if it would 00:36:42.260 --> 00:36:50.200 be fair to say that I was angry maybe maybe depression maybe depressed I'm kind 00:36:50.200 --> 00:36:54.780 of naturally a high dopamine level guy I really enjoy life I really enjoy what I 00:36:54.780 --> 00:37:00.800 do I enjoy eating and exercising and spending time with friends and family so 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.770 to kind of have all that removed from you you know you might might say that 00:37:04.770 --> 00:37:11.320 that could be clinically described as depression but I specifically remember 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:17.480 my low point it was like day six or seven in the special housing unit so 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:23.270 we're talking like two weeks in and and being confined and really it was it was 00:37:23.270 --> 00:37:27.500 the only thing that kind of kept me going at that point because I had no 00:37:27.500 --> 00:37:32.910 access to mail I had no access to to write a letter or receive a letter yet 00:37:32.910 --> 00:37:38.960 at that time I had no access to anything really it was just me and a Bible I was 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.460 able to get a Bible which was which even that was kind of a lucky thing you 00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:49.180 might say or or you know an act of God but when I got in there just so happened 00:37:49.180 --> 00:37:53.160 and again you know a lot of this was set off the record so I just I just want to 00:37:53.160 --> 00:37:55.990 be careful but a lot of the people you know that worked in the prison believe 00:37:55.990 --> 00:38:01.640 it or not they're fans of mine or or you know just patriots and it was kind of 00:38:01.640 --> 00:38:05.570 eerie because you hear it a lot I'm just doing my job I'm just doing my job so 00:38:05.570 --> 00:38:09.210 it's kind of eerie when you get that all the time but let's just say because 00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:15.050 somebody on the inside in the shoe recognized me he said you know hey I've 00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:18.420 got to lock you up and that's it anything you want I said can you just 00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:22.880 bring me a Bible just can you just find me a Bible bring me a Bible and I mean 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.090 it was this old tethered Bible he probably dug it out of you know some 00:38:29.090 --> 00:38:33.700 compartment or drawer that hadn't been opened in years but he found it for me 00:38:33.700 --> 00:38:37.550 and he gave it to me and so I mean that's what basically got me through that 00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:42.790 was the only thing I had in in those times but yeah I specifically remember 00:38:42.790 --> 00:38:49.560 the low point and then once once I kind of hit that I you know it was like 00:38:49.560 --> 00:38:54.050 hitting rock bottom and then being like okay well it doesn't get any worse than 00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:58.910 this every day that goes by is a day less in here then I was able to start 00:38:58.910 --> 00:39:03.010 getting some mail then I was able to start writing some letters and then I 00:39:03.010 --> 00:39:07.350 was able to start getting some books so you know I don't know if it's fair to 00:39:07.350 --> 00:39:11.540 say blackpilled or you know angry or anything like that I mean maybe just 00:39:11.540 --> 00:39:15.630 maybe just depressed I don't know how else to put it but it's just you know 00:39:15.630 --> 00:39:20.870 it's it's just the feeling of helplessness hopelessness with with no 00:39:20.870 --> 00:39:26.640 outlet at all to distract you or to give you access to anything in the outside 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:31.670 world and so for me again for me at that time it was basically only only the 00:39:31.670 --> 00:39:36.750 Bible that was all I had and it was the only thing that helped me get through 00:39:36.750 --> 00:39:42.330 the hardest times in there of time passing slowly depression sinking in 00:39:42.330 --> 00:39:45.410 whatever you want to say well pastor Shelley that's the natural response 00:39:45.410 --> 00:39:50.790 isn't it to have a little bit of a low point at least at some point during your 00:39:50.790 --> 00:39:55.010 prison sentence which is why those passages like in Acts chapter 16 are 00:39:55.010 --> 00:39:59.400 just so astounding and jump out of the page for me because it just goes to show 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:04.970 that hey it is possible to be in that position and yet find joy in the Lord 00:40:04.970 --> 00:40:10.550 yeah Joseph serves in the prison and actually does well and obviously that's 00:40:10.550 --> 00:40:16.460 probably a different experience than being in the shoe or being in solitary 00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:24.960 a special kind of cruelty there but you know I'm it's definitely nice to hear you 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.640 know some realism because I think that most people if not almost all are gonna 00:40:29.640 --> 00:40:35.200 have some moments of feeling down or some sadness in that experience because 00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:40.140 that's just that's got to be super hard I mean I think it's realistic to have 00:40:40.140 --> 00:40:45.990 some highs and lows in that situation I'm kind of curious from a perspective of 00:40:45.990 --> 00:40:50.290 like a broad perspective do you feel like maybe this caused you to draw a 00:40:50.290 --> 00:40:54.690 little closer to God or things that are spiritual having gone through an 00:40:54.690 --> 00:41:04.610 experience like this definitely in those moments I mean it's hard to say I don't 00:41:04.610 --> 00:41:08.740 know if I could say that I'm closer to God today than I was before I went in 00:41:08.740 --> 00:41:14.630 necessarily but definitely you know in those moments when you have more time to 00:41:14.630 --> 00:41:20.320 meditate more time to pray more time to appreciate the things that you don't 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:26.610 have and then and then you get out and you do appreciate them so I mean I don't 00:41:26.610 --> 00:41:30.580 know if I would say I'm closer to God now than I was before I went in I would 00:41:30.580 --> 00:41:38.680 say that if anything I just have a grown appreciation for what God has given me 00:41:38.680 --> 00:41:42.800 and the opportunities and everything that I have in my life I would say that 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:51.660 the appreciation for that and I guess reaffirmed God's plans reaffirmed God's 00:41:51.660 --> 00:41:56.590 power the power of prayer so I don't know if that's necessarily me saying I'm 00:41:56.590 --> 00:42:02.650 closer to God than I was before I went in but it was definitely something you're 00:42:02.650 --> 00:42:07.420 kind of take out of there with you and and into the you know the post 00:42:07.420 --> 00:42:11.350 incarceration life and again you know just just kind of just kind of level 00:42:11.350 --> 00:42:14.830 things out and humble things here I didn't spend too much time in there I 00:42:14.830 --> 00:42:19.010 mean two months overall there's guys that go in there for years and decades 00:42:19.010 --> 00:42:24.220 and so there's a reason why people become more religious when they're in 00:42:24.220 --> 00:42:29.640 there you'd think that's you know hyperbolic considering the situations 00:42:29.640 --> 00:42:33.420 you're in but there's there's something there there's something there's something 00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:38.830 real about that you know crying out to God or feeling that or getting that 00:42:38.830 --> 00:42:44.010 through and then taking it out with you so there's there's something definitely 00:42:44.010 --> 00:42:48.480 to that some of the men in there were very spiritual it felt like it was kind 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:52.240 of one end of the spectrum or the other either you're very spiritual and a big 00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:57.750 believer or you're basically you know an atheist so I mean it feels like that's 00:42:57.750 --> 00:43:04.050 kind of it's kind of just both far sides of the spectrum from from my experience 00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:10.960 when you were in there did it feel like people knew who you were or did you ever 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:18.490 feel intimidated by other prisoners no you know the situation that I was in at 00:43:18.490 --> 00:43:25.310 my prison Oakdale FCI it's a low security prison and it's a prison where 00:43:25.310 --> 00:43:30.120 they have a lot of people that work their way down so there's a lot of guys 00:43:30.120 --> 00:43:34.030 that were in a high security or then a medium security and now they're kind of 00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:37.030 on the last leg of their sentence and they just want to get out so people 00:43:37.030 --> 00:43:42.360 don't really like to fight in a situation like that there were some 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:47.800 politics meaning you know prison gangs and stuff like that but it wasn't too 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.700 political because of that reason because most people are trying to get out and 00:43:52.700 --> 00:43:58.950 maybe a practical example that I could give is most federal prisons child 00:43:58.950 --> 00:44:04.940 molesters child abusers can't walk the yard they have to stay either in the 00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:09.190 shoe for their own protection or they're never going to leave their jail cell 00:44:09.190 --> 00:44:12.730 because if they do they're going to get beaten up because a lot of these prison 00:44:12.730 --> 00:44:18.170 gangs it's part of their creed that that you you beat up child molesters if you 00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:23.830 ever see one on the yard I like so this it's funny because the the prison gangs 00:44:23.830 --> 00:44:27.680 seem to have a more serious approach of justice toward child's molesters than 00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:33.030 the actual justice system right but but that's another story so so not for the 00:44:33.030 --> 00:44:41.150 Bidens to go to prison so I hope they don't get the diary so outside of a 00:44:41.150 --> 00:44:45.660 couple child molesters getting beaten up there really isn't too much activity 00:44:45.660 --> 00:44:49.420 like that at this prison because everybody's trying to trying to get out 00:44:49.420 --> 00:44:52.750 it's not like a medium or a high security where guys have long sentences 00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:59.140 and they might need to earn some cred or do a gang initiation type of thing so so 00:44:59.140 --> 00:45:03.460 on that aspect I never really felt there was never really any situation of 00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:08.960 intimidation but the truth is when I when I got in there immediately a couple 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:14.780 guards recognized me a couple inmates recognized me and so when I'm sitting in 00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:18.880 there for a week you know it kind of I guess maybe ended up being an advantage 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.820 people talking about me like oh you know the guy up there you know I was this guy 00:45:22.820 --> 00:45:27.570 so there was you know there was kind of this mystique growing if you will and 00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:33.030 then because they you know a political prisoner it's kind of it's kind of bad 00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:35.690 ass the guys in there a political prisoner that you know they kind of view 00:45:35.690 --> 00:45:41.690 that as a is like a badass situation and when you're the only guy that's ever 00:45:41.690 --> 00:45:45.470 been to a federal prison to anybody's knowledge that has on a misdemeanor 00:45:45.470 --> 00:45:49.420 that's another thing where they're like damn this guy's only he must like what 00:45:49.420 --> 00:45:53.670 what he really do so then my nickname was misdemeanor so so then after I get 00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:56.870 out of the solitary and get sent to the shoe for three weeks the mystique just 00:45:56.870 --> 00:46:01.720 grows yeah and so by the time by the time I was back in solitary everybody 00:46:01.720 --> 00:46:06.540 wanted to talk to me everybody wanted to hear my story he's a legend a lot of 00:46:06.540 --> 00:46:10.580 people wanted to get on my show to tell their stories about how corrupt the 00:46:10.580 --> 00:46:15.550 justice system was or talk about their book or what they're doing so it was 00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:21.390 never really a situation where I felt like I was ever in any any danger or 00:46:21.390 --> 00:46:25.660 anything like that I mean like I said there were a couple prison guards you 00:46:25.660 --> 00:46:30.050 could tell didn't like me for certain reasons but the vast majority of them 00:46:30.050 --> 00:46:33.570 did like me they didn't want me they didn't want my time in there to be so 00:46:33.570 --> 00:46:37.980 hard things that I had to go through all came from the top I mean the very top 00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:43.580 and these guys had no control over it they basically told me that so but yeah 00:46:43.580 --> 00:46:47.920 that it was a little bit maybe you know you think about it going to prison you 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.730 can't help yourself but in a low-security prison like the one I was 00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:55.440 in it was probably a low-level threat but yeah of course I was worried I was 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.460 worried about my food being poisoned but luckily you know all the food is 00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:02.590 basically at random so they'd have to poison the entire prison in order to 00:47:02.590 --> 00:47:07.730 poison me so that that was a comforting thing when I discovered that and when 00:47:07.730 --> 00:47:10.920 you know you talk to all the people that basically most the guys that run the 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.230 prison and they're like hey man like your work sorry you're here it was a bit 00:47:15.230 --> 00:47:20.790 of a relief. So kind of from a broad perspective here you talked about 00:47:20.790 --> 00:47:24.310 wanting to better yourself so you know what would be like your biggest takeaway 00:47:24.310 --> 00:47:29.970 from this experience or what did you feel like maybe you you did better 00:47:29.970 --> 00:47:35.940 yourself in if you could point to something specifically? You know like I 00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:41.290 said it's so hard to say because it feels like it was a different world so I 00:47:41.290 --> 00:47:48.150 kind of just have to go back to when I got out and try to remember and you know 00:47:48.150 --> 00:47:54.150 just just appreciating life outside of a cage I mean I don't know how else to put 00:47:54.150 --> 00:47:59.610 it just appreciating life outside of the cage you you you learn to love the 00:47:59.610 --> 00:48:06.150 little things again I mean even just eating a meal that tastes good or that 00:48:06.150 --> 00:48:12.230 you want to eat you know for like a week is you just savor that I think though 00:48:12.230 --> 00:48:16.680 what again would I really take away and I can't help myself this is just this is 00:48:16.680 --> 00:48:24.510 just kind of my life my mind is you know this issue that needs to be addressed of 00:48:24.510 --> 00:48:29.550 justice reform you know because of I don't want anybody to go through what I 00:48:29.550 --> 00:48:34.170 went through I don't like nonviolent people in prison I don't like political 00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:40.160 prisoners you know most I was obviously I'm in an all-male prison about a 00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:44.770 thousand inmates and most the guys that are sitting in there every night are 00:48:44.770 --> 00:48:49.760 nonviolent offenders and most the guys that are sitting in there every night 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:55.360 are either fathers or grandfathers and and they just there's just no purpose 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.650 there's just no purpose they're not a threat to anybody they'd they'd be much 00:48:59.650 --> 00:49:02.970 better off and I think everybody would be much better off I mean even if you 00:49:02.970 --> 00:49:06.720 want to just put them on house arrest so they could be with their sons and their 00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:11.110 daughters and their grandkids so you know I kind of really the one thing that 00:49:11.110 --> 00:49:16.110 definitely sticks is you know criminal justice reform is a prison just prison 00:49:16.110 --> 00:49:20.870 reform is a big issue of mine but there's no doubt when you get out of 00:49:20.870 --> 00:49:27.520 there you learn to appreciate things more you learn to appreciate just basic 00:49:27.520 --> 00:49:32.740 things like like a hot meal or a hot shower and I would imagine it would 00:49:32.740 --> 00:49:37.640 probably stick a lot more if I was behind there for longer than two months 00:49:37.640 --> 00:49:42.570 but definitely for like a month or two it you know every time you can have a 00:49:42.570 --> 00:49:47.480 hot shower every time you can eat a meal that you want it's you you remember 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:53.090 and you you really just don't take it for granted yeah I can see having a 00:49:53.090 --> 00:49:57.140 greater appreciation for life and you know some of the early shows and 00:49:57.140 --> 00:50:00.880 interviews and stuff it just seemed like you had a big smile on your face it 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.560 seemed like you definitely were really enjoying coming back into society and I 00:50:06.560 --> 00:50:14.170 can't I can't even imagine so you know I definitely appreciate the courage to not 00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:21.540 only go through that and stay strong but also like I said keep going you know say 00:50:21.540 --> 00:50:26.850 hey you know you may have shut me up for you know 50 days but hey I'm gonna still 00:50:26.850 --> 00:50:32.400 you know get out there and put the truth out there and be a journalist and hold 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.750 people accountable and try to make a difference and say like hey just because 00:50:36.750 --> 00:50:39.680 I went through this I don't want other people to go through it I think that's 00:50:39.680 --> 00:50:44.750 a admiral you know viewpoint because I think a lot of individuals would take 00:50:44.750 --> 00:50:51.350 that just take an L after that or be discouraged or really in the censorship 00:50:51.350 --> 00:50:55.450 war that we live in today how many people today are not saying unpopular 00:50:55.450 --> 00:51:00.320 things or dangerous things for fear of losing money that prisons not even 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.700 necessarily on the table how much more would they cower if prison or these kind 00:51:05.700 --> 00:51:12.070 of things were put on the table and you know our country to have freedom needs 00:51:12.070 --> 00:51:17.450 individuals that say hey I'm gonna say the truth I'm gonna do what's right if 00:51:17.450 --> 00:51:21.820 you're gonna throw me in prison you know do what you got to do but I'm not gonna 00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:27.890 sit here and just allow our country to just be taken over by communism or evil 00:51:27.890 --> 00:51:33.470 or whatever regime is waiting in the dark corner that my boss always had 00:51:33.470 --> 00:51:36.580 this quote he said the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for 00:51:36.580 --> 00:51:41.930 good men to do nothing and I think that that's definitely true what did you have 00:51:41.930 --> 00:51:46.300 something less you want to ask here Ben you remember your first meal out of 00:51:46.300 --> 00:51:52.260 prison I hate to keep bringing this back to food I'm hungry obviously go ahead 00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:58.740 Owen what would do you remember at all yeah it was a Raising Cane's chicken 00:51:58.740 --> 00:52:06.070 and where were we man somewhere in Louisiana I can't remember now it's 00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:11.600 skipping my mind but we were at a Raising Cane's Raising Cane's chicken it 00:52:11.600 --> 00:52:15.890 was probably like 2 30 or 3 in the morning there they were open inside 24/7 00:52:15.890 --> 00:52:22.020 and really it was actually hard to eat it at first because you're so used to the 00:52:22.020 --> 00:52:26.760 prison slop and so it was you know it's actually it's actually kind of strange 00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.210 but you could read all about these stories especially again guys that spend 00:52:30.210 --> 00:52:33.560 a lot more time than me they can't you can't even eat normal food for a while 00:52:33.560 --> 00:52:38.630 you have to like start really basic with like pancakes or just like french fries 00:52:38.630 --> 00:52:42.320 or something that you were used to while you were in there or like oatmeal or 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:48.910 something so I I ate some raisin canes I couldn't finish it it just it just I 00:52:48.910 --> 00:52:53.350 don't know there's it didn't sit right and then I didn't eat for like 24 hours 00:52:53.350 --> 00:52:59.660 and then there's a restaurant here in Austin that I that I like to frequent 00:52:59.660 --> 00:53:03.880 it's a steakhouse I'll give them a free shout out because I love them Perry's 00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:08.780 and so then I went and I was starving and I finally I chowed through a nice 00:53:08.780 --> 00:53:15.500 big fillet I think I had a salad some mashed potatoes some Brussels sprouts I 00:53:15.500 --> 00:53:20.580 think we might even gotten a chocolate fudge cake so yeah after after after 00:53:20.580 --> 00:53:25.170 like after 36 hours out after the first meal kind of was like a non-starter 00:53:25.170 --> 00:53:29.370 then it was time and then I turned it on I had the steak and I was good to go 00:53:29.370 --> 00:53:35.500 that sounds great I'm sorry if I'm torturing you right now yeah you kind of 00:53:35.500 --> 00:53:43.230 are but that's alright rare steak mashed potatoes with butter and cheese 00:53:43.230 --> 00:53:47.150 appreciate appreciate the description there just to build off what you were 00:53:47.150 --> 00:53:54.310 saying pastor Shelley I think part of it as well is to intimidate Owen and people 00:53:54.310 --> 00:53:59.930 like Owen Shroyer from continuing to speak out that's the idea is like if we 00:53:59.930 --> 00:54:03.730 can persecute these guys even threaten them with prison maybe even put them in 00:54:03.730 --> 00:54:07.670 prison for a couple of months maybe that'll intimidate them into silence and 00:54:07.670 --> 00:54:13.160 make them withdraw from the culture war that's the reason they do what they do 00:54:13.160 --> 00:54:18.500 and to double down in response is to say you know what your persecution didn't 00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:23.690 work on me and it never will and that's powerful I think yeah and again you know 00:54:23.690 --> 00:54:27.710 we really appreciate you you know giving us time and sharing your experience with 00:54:27.710 --> 00:54:34.250 us as well I know a lot you've gotten a lot of attention and so I but well 00:54:34.250 --> 00:54:39.870 deserved you know staying strong fighting the right fight bringing 00:54:39.870 --> 00:54:44.270 attention to the truth and trying to steer the course of our country back and 00:54:44.270 --> 00:54:48.320 we don't want to take you know more of your time than then you're gonna give us 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:53.670 and you're really gracious to give us this time we'd love to I guess if 00:54:53.670 --> 00:54:57.130 wherever in town we needed to go to Perry's so you can so we can get you 00:54:57.130 --> 00:55:01.670 another one of those fillets but there will be no shortage of fillets there's 00:55:01.670 --> 00:55:06.020 no shortage of fillets here I promise you and I would say in closing that you 00:55:06.020 --> 00:55:10.940 know a couple just cliches but you know God never gives you a test that that he 00:55:10.940 --> 00:55:14.070 knows you can't pass or that he that he wants you to go through to strengthen 00:55:14.070 --> 00:55:21.050 yourself and so I just kind of look at it like that and you know I was raised 00:55:21.050 --> 00:55:27.300 Catholic I have a st. St. Christopher pendant that I wear trying to awkwardly 00:55:27.300 --> 00:55:34.690 show it with the microphone here and in the story of St. Christopher he serves 00:55:34.690 --> 00:55:41.270 he serves evil and then he serves good and and he realizes the differences and 00:55:41.270 --> 00:55:45.960 how much better it is to serve good and as soon as he gets that that dichotomy 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.280 he's like oh wow I should have been serving good this whole time and there's 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:57.170 a part where he was a he was the legend says he was a giant and he used to help 00:55:57.170 --> 00:56:01.480 people cross the river because he could walk it and it was the current was heavy 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.320 so he'd put people on their shoulders and he'd provide him a way across the 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:12.980 river and then one day there was a tiny man that needed crossing and he put the 00:56:12.980 --> 00:56:21.150 tiny man on his shoulders and he crosses the river and he notices he's crossing 00:56:21.150 --> 00:56:24.810 that the man is getting heavier and heavier and he's like what is going on 00:56:24.810 --> 00:56:28.180 and finally he gets to the other side and he puts him down he says I don't 00:56:28.180 --> 00:56:32.230 understand what what what happened here and he says I'm probably butchering it 00:56:32.230 --> 00:56:37.320 exactly but something like I'm the Lord Jesus Christ and now you know what it's 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.730 like to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders and so it was this this 00:56:41.730 --> 00:56:47.350 reaffirmation to do good this reaffirmation that you can you can get 00:56:47.350 --> 00:56:51.860 through this I'm not gonna give you a test that you can't have and so you know 00:56:51.860 --> 00:56:55.640 I just try to carry that forward and whatever whatever growth or attention I 00:56:55.640 --> 00:57:00.540 get because of my persecution I just I just hope that I'm able to and I pray 00:57:00.540 --> 00:57:05.600 for God's light along the way and that I'm able to use my life and and my 00:57:05.600 --> 00:57:12.990 talents for whatever he wants me to. Well God definitely cares about you and he 00:57:12.990 --> 00:57:17.290 wants everyone to be saved and you know he wants them to go to heaven and not 00:57:17.290 --> 00:57:21.380 only be saved but also live a life that's pleasing unto him and we really 00:57:21.380 --> 00:57:26.530 appreciate you know your time. I look forward to you know chatting again 00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:30.860 about this topic but we appreciate you giving us some time to share your 00:57:30.860 --> 00:57:35.510 experience about prison. I really was excited to get to interview you on this 00:57:35.510 --> 00:57:42.380 and so any things you want to plug before we go? Sure tune in to my show 00:57:42.380 --> 00:57:46.770 every day on the Infowars War Room. AmericanElection.News is a good link 00:57:46.770 --> 00:57:52.290 for that or OwensRoyer.Show. I also have a rumble channel rumble.com/owen 00:57:52.290 --> 00:57:57.940 and I'm pretty active on X at OwensRoyer1776. Glad to be back on the 00:57:57.940 --> 00:58:01.970 show. Maybe I'll be back here again or moderating another debate that one of 00:58:01.970 --> 00:58:06.880 you guys are in but it's a pleasure. Yeah thanks again for joining us and 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:14.080 God bless. Make sure to follow Owen and all those places and Ben I want to talk 00:58:14.080 --> 00:58:22.240 about we're gonna do another show here on Saturday. Going to be a recap show 00:58:22.240 --> 00:58:27.370 from our Tuesday night show and I think a lot of people are really excited about 00:58:27.370 --> 00:58:33.330 this. So I wanted to plug that but you know thoughts on Owen's prison 00:58:33.330 --> 00:58:37.610 experience here. What were your thoughts? Well when I first heard about it I 00:58:37.610 --> 00:58:46.750 was extremely blackpilled. Dylan sent me a text and he said isn't it crazy that 00:58:46.750 --> 00:58:52.060 Owen is in prison and I responded and said yeah kind of seems like this 00:58:52.060 --> 00:58:56.500 country just deserves to get nuked off the face of the planet and I don't 00:58:56.500 --> 00:59:02.310 really mean that of course but you know it's just the frustration that oozes out 00:59:02.310 --> 00:59:07.220 of me. The frustration that I can't help but feel when we have animals like these 00:59:07.220 --> 00:59:13.620 drag fag queens defiling children across the country and they get to walk away 00:59:13.620 --> 00:59:19.120 free and yet someone like Owen has to spend multiple months in prison and 00:59:19.120 --> 00:59:22.530 there are others Joe Biggs is in a much worse situation right now there are 00:59:22.530 --> 00:59:28.970 other January 6th people and whether you agree with the January 6th protester 00:59:28.970 --> 00:59:34.540 showing up or not that's not the point. The point is it's political speech. The 00:59:34.540 --> 00:59:41.650 point is if the left did it then nobody would have been incarcerated for it. 00:59:41.650 --> 00:59:47.430 Democrats have been questioning the 2016 election for years without any 00:59:47.430 --> 00:59:52.740 ramifications. I guess it's different when they do it. So it just goes to show 00:59:52.740 --> 00:59:58.310 you we have a two-tiered justice system in this nation. It is no longer the 00:59:58.310 --> 01:00:02.690 America of yesteryear unfortunately and it's only gonna get worse but the good 01:00:02.690 --> 01:00:08.460 news is at least we have the Lord Jesus Christ that if God is for us who can be 01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:15.150 against us as the question scripture asks. Yeah I definitely think that it 01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:20.480 seems very likely that God kind of intervened and helped Owen get out of 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.990 there and and I hope that you know from that experience it does help him draw 01:00:25.990 --> 01:00:31.780 closer to the Lord that he you know make sure that he gets saved and 01:00:31.780 --> 01:00:37.120 understands you know the true gospel and that he can get out of the real prison 01:00:37.120 --> 01:00:41.740 you know which is hell nobody wants to go to hell yeah yeah and of course the 01:00:41.740 --> 01:00:46.390 Bible makes it abundantly clear that salvation is not by faith and works it's 01:00:46.390 --> 01:00:51.960 by faith alone and so people need to realize that salvation is a free gift 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.070 it's not something you have to earn or work for and unfortunately a lot of 01:00:55.070 --> 01:00:58.670 churches not just Catholic but a lot of Christian churches they teach that 01:00:58.670 --> 01:01:03.530 salvation is by works and how you live your life and you know of course we've 01:01:03.530 --> 01:01:07.980 got the Baptist bias and salvation is actually by faith alone just by 01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:11.650 believing in Jesus Christ and once you're saved you're always saved and we 01:01:11.650 --> 01:01:14.780 love going out there and preaching the gospel to people and so you know 01:01:14.780 --> 01:01:20.210 hopefully through this show people will end up hearing or finding out about the 01:01:20.210 --> 01:01:23.370 gospel and getting saved I mean that's that's part of the reason why we even do 01:01:23.370 --> 01:01:27.870 the show is to reach new people and hopefully that they'll go down the true 01:01:27.870 --> 01:01:32.970 rabbit hole of the gospel and get saved I know when we kind of talked about this 01:01:32.970 --> 01:01:37.070 show we kind of had some different ideas I think that you want to do a fanfare 01:01:37.070 --> 01:01:41.070 show but I've been trying to broaden my horizon and talk to all kinds of 01:01:41.070 --> 01:01:46.100 different people in the hopes of reaching more with the gospel inevitably 01:01:46.100 --> 01:01:53.020 what do you think about that if we focus on us for no more what's the point we 01:01:53.020 --> 01:01:59.650 should try and broaden our audience I think that's the responsible position to 01:01:59.650 --> 01:02:05.490 have is what can we do to reach new people who have not yet laid eyes on 01:02:05.490 --> 01:02:11.920 your preaching or some of our friends preaching the new IFB in general I want 01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:16.890 to mention a verse Isaiah 59 14 and judgment is turned away backward and 01:02:16.890 --> 01:02:22.470 justice stand at the far off for truth has fallen in the street and equity 01:02:22.470 --> 01:02:27.130 cannot enter if that doesn't describe the United States I don't know what does 01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:31.990 I think that perfectly describes our country in 2024 and you are absolutely 01:02:31.990 --> 01:02:36.140 correct what is the answer well how about the gospel of Jesus Christ and 01:02:36.140 --> 01:02:40.550 thankfully the Bible makes it clear about what it takes to be saved one of 01:02:40.550 --> 01:02:44.920 my favorite verses on this is Titus chapter 3 verse 5 not by works of 01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:48.620 righteousness which we have done but according to his mercy he saved us by 01:02:48.620 --> 01:02:55.240 the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost and so you want to 01:02:55.240 --> 01:03:00.090 talk about being in bondage to sin and the inevitable consequences of that 01:03:00.090 --> 01:03:04.480 after this life that being hell well there is a way out it's believing on the 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:09.440 Lord Jesus Christ and receiving in that very moment not a lifetime not a process 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:16.290 of time but in that very moment eternal life amen and again the name of the show 01:03:16.290 --> 01:03:21.960 the Baptist bias it kind of goes without saying if all we were ever gonna do was 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:27.430 stay within a Baptist sphere right so the whole point of the title of the show 01:03:27.430 --> 01:03:33.380 is that we're going outside of our echo chamber going outside of our sphere but 01:03:33.380 --> 01:03:38.350 we're bringing our Baptist bias with us of course makes me think of Paul saying 01:03:38.350 --> 01:03:42.450 you know under the week I became weak under the Jew I was a Jew so he's 01:03:42.450 --> 01:03:48.240 talking about going out there trying to find some commonality with individuals 01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:53.460 who are not saved so that maybe eventually you know through that 01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:56.500 relationship or an opportunity you're gonna give them the gospel you're gonna 01:03:56.500 --> 01:04:00.610 expose them to the right thing and they're going to get saved and of course 01:04:00.610 --> 01:04:05.830 you know this show we've been really broad in far as what kind of guests what 01:04:05.830 --> 01:04:09.530 kind of shows I mean if you told me I was gonna do a flat-earth debate I would 01:04:09.530 --> 01:04:13.580 never believe you because that's just you know in my mind just I wouldn't 01:04:13.580 --> 01:04:20.790 believe you categorically just like such a insane idea again I would have never 01:04:20.790 --> 01:04:23.550 thought that but it's like our most popular show so far which is kind of 01:04:23.550 --> 01:04:27.340 crazy to think about that as well but you know at the end of the day I think 01:04:27.340 --> 01:04:32.890 some people that are sincere and you know it's not that they're stupid but 01:04:32.890 --> 01:04:37.410 they're kind of falling to the trap of a stupid idea have gotten sucked into 01:04:37.410 --> 01:04:41.830 weird things and maybe through us exposing you know some of those ideas 01:04:41.830 --> 01:04:45.520 maybe we can win a few people over you can normalize them I don't think that 01:04:45.520 --> 01:04:51.050 very many people trapped in the flat earth ideology are very willing to learn 01:04:51.050 --> 01:04:55.090 or they're very willing to hear new ideas it seems like most of them are 01:04:55.090 --> 01:05:00.370 kind of already settled on their opinions but you know perhaps somebody 01:05:00.370 --> 01:05:06.330 said they're trapped under the dome that might be apropos but it seems like 01:05:06.330 --> 01:05:11.100 there is maybe potentially a few people that you can win over here and there 01:05:11.100 --> 01:05:13.690 and of course I think the Bible says we should earnestly contend for the faith 01:05:13.690 --> 01:05:17.180 so you know that to me is going out there challenging different ideas 01:05:17.180 --> 01:05:21.560 challenging different viewpoints and I think it also helps balance us as well 01:05:21.560 --> 01:05:25.520 that we don't create these strawman arguments and that we're actually in the 01:05:25.520 --> 01:05:30.420 real world talking to real people about their viewpoints their ideologies and it 01:05:30.420 --> 01:05:33.900 helps us to get a better idea of what people really believe what they're 01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:38.880 really like you know I think of course soul winning helps us get an idea what 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.450 people believe as far as salvation but in other topics it's also just 01:05:42.450 --> 01:05:47.300 interesting to see what people think and to challenge them but I'm excited about 01:05:47.300 --> 01:05:51.720 Saturday show you want to check our email group we actually have a way you 01:05:51.720 --> 01:06:00.060 can join it's baptistbias.com/join and you can join our email list send us an 01:06:00.060 --> 01:06:03.210 email if you'd like to be on there we send out emails when we have some of 01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:07.150 these just spontaneous shows of course you want to check out our final for the 01:06:07.150 --> 01:06:13.270 season Tuesday 8 p.m. we're gonna have pastor Anderson back on to premiere our 01:06:13.270 --> 01:06:17.390 Daniel series we're gonna be doing episode 1 of the Daniel series and 01:06:17.390 --> 01:06:22.100 we're not gonna have our regular show but every Tuesday at 8 p.m. we're gonna 01:06:22.100 --> 01:06:26.330 be releasing the next of our Daniel series so we'll be doing episode 2 the 01:06:26.330 --> 01:06:30.440 following week 3 4 all the way to episodes 12 and so we'll be on a little 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.990 bit of a break as far as the regularly scheduled podcast but we'll have the 01:06:34.990 --> 01:06:38.730 Daniel series going I may still do several other just random streams we 01:06:38.730 --> 01:06:43.860 may do go back to the Friday show where I do the sword drill so that's another 01:06:43.860 --> 01:06:47.650 thing you could check out on Fridays at noon can I send a question in for that 01:06:47.650 --> 01:06:51.460 or are you not gonna answer questions if I said you might say like put a 01:06:51.460 --> 01:06:55.280 different name like all right just you know just so my question actually gets 01:06:55.280 --> 01:07:00.900 read yeah exactly you know this is Carl the Baptist you know or whatever what 01:07:00.900 --> 01:07:04.730 what's your pseudo name just so I know and I won't I'm not gonna reveal it you 01:07:04.730 --> 01:07:07.810 just told me to use a different name so you read the question I'm not really 01:07:07.810 --> 01:07:12.780 with that's anytime someone has a question like is this been just well I 01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:16.500 just remember you were at a conference and they did a Q&A via the internet and 01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:21.560 I was the first question you received and you looked like how could I get away 01:07:21.560 --> 01:07:27.360 from this guy like I can't get away from him no you asked good questions so I 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.770 appreciate the questions don't don't don't be too hard on yourself all right 01:07:30.770 --> 01:07:37.090 but you know I'm excited about that show I'm excited about Tuesday's release tell 01:07:37.090 --> 01:07:39.070 us a little bit about the Daniel series it's something you've been working on 01:07:39.070 --> 01:07:43.870 for a while now how how do you feel about this thing getting out there well 01:07:43.870 --> 01:07:48.590 I have no excuse to not know a little something about the book of Daniel after 01:07:48.590 --> 01:07:53.060 watching every sermon like 50 times but no it's been a great project appreciate 01:07:53.060 --> 01:07:58.930 the the privilege honestly of getting a chance to help out with this and to get 01:07:58.930 --> 01:08:04.670 it completed finally much anticipated many of the folks who follow our content 01:08:04.670 --> 01:08:09.860 know that this was a project originally in the works going all the way back to 01:08:09.860 --> 01:08:14.890 2018 is when the sermons were preached and a little bit of delay in getting it 01:08:14.890 --> 01:08:19.400 released and went from a one owner to another as far as the footage is 01:08:19.400 --> 01:08:24.470 concerned but I think we've been able to put together an exciting series with 01:08:24.470 --> 01:08:30.900 some intriguing B-roll, eye-catching B-roll and of course how could you go 01:08:30.900 --> 01:08:37.230 wrong when you have Pastor Aderson preaching? Yeah, I was there in person so 01:08:37.230 --> 01:08:41.230 I actually got to hear the sermons. There's a few crowd shots with you. Yeah I'm kind of 01:08:41.230 --> 01:08:48.100 over in the corner. You may remove them but. Yeah I'm excited to release this project because it's 01:08:48.100 --> 01:08:51.060 been a long time coming. I know a lot of people donated to it. They're excited to 01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:56.010 see it. Also I want to do a shout out to a soul winning marathon trip that's going to be 01:08:56.010 --> 01:09:02.560 happening at the end of May. It's in Chicago, specifically May 24th and 25th. Sure Foundation 01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:07.110 Baptist Church is hosting a big soul winning push and preaching event. I'm going to be there. 01:09:07.110 --> 01:09:12.390 Pastor Thompson is going to be there that Friday night. We're preaching. If you want to find out 01:09:12.390 --> 01:09:17.580 information you can always email us but you can also email Sure Foundation Baptist at gmail.com 01:09:17.580 --> 01:09:23.410 and they are hosting the event. They're putting it all together. Reach out to Sure 01:09:23.410 --> 01:09:27.080 Foundation Baptist Church if you'd like to participate. If you're anywhere in the Chicago 01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:33.710 area we would love to see you out there and I'll be preaching in the flesh. So I'm excited to go 01:09:33.710 --> 01:09:38.670 to Chicago. I've only been there one time before. That was with you and me going out there to visit 01:09:38.670 --> 01:09:43.860 Dr. Stringer. Dr. Phil Stringer. And he's going to be preaching for us later this year again at 01:09:43.860 --> 01:09:50.030 Steadfast and I'm excited about that. Also, you know, I've tried to see if I could schedule him 01:09:50.030 --> 01:09:55.490 as a special guest interview for our show. So maybe I can get him to come on and talk about things. 01:09:55.490 --> 01:10:00.960 He's in a specific group that's pretty cool. It's the King James Bible Research Council. 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:07.960 You've looked into this pretty cool group. What have you learned about that specific association? 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:17.580 They're doctrinally sound and they provide scholarly, biblical, and intellectual defense 01:10:17.580 --> 01:10:21.240 of the King James Bible. And that's what I like the most about them. 01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:24.420 Well, I love Dr. Stringer's story because he wasn't even King James only. 01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:30.670 And he explains that he was kind of actually even researching why not to be King James 01:10:30.670 --> 01:10:35.850 and ended up switching and recognizing, well, actually the King James position is the one 01:10:35.850 --> 01:10:42.460 that makes sense. And now he's a champion of the King James Bible and an ardent supporter 01:10:42.460 --> 01:10:46.970 of the King James Bible. He was in our movie, The Preserved Bible. You got to check it out, 01:10:46.970 --> 01:10:52.510 PreservedBible.com. But he also did a full interview with us. You can check that out online too. 01:10:52.510 --> 01:10:57.360 Really, really outstanding guy. I really love Dr. Stringer. 01:10:57.360 --> 01:10:58.610 Can we get him there maybe? 01:10:58.610 --> 01:11:01.870 I don't know. Maybe we should think about that. 01:11:01.870 --> 01:11:05.050 If he'll be in town, maybe we could have him sit right here. 01:11:05.050 --> 01:11:06.790 Yeah, we could have him on the show in person. 01:11:06.790 --> 01:11:07.270 In person. 01:11:07.270 --> 01:11:08.060 Oh, man. 01:11:08.060 --> 01:11:08.540 Just a thought. 01:11:08.540 --> 01:11:12.750 Let me think about that because I need to figure out and plan when he's going to be 01:11:12.750 --> 01:11:17.120 here physically because I think he's visiting a couple churches while he's in the area. 01:11:17.120 --> 01:11:19.320 So I'm not exactly sure. 01:11:19.320 --> 01:11:23.030 But make sure you follow the show, guys. 01:11:23.030 --> 01:11:24.860 Thanks so much. We had over 200 people watching. 01:11:24.860 --> 01:11:27.880 Of course, we try to take call-ins. 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:30.980 We're definitely going to take call-ins on Saturday. 01:11:30.980 --> 01:11:35.190 So if you've been wanting to call in or you feel like you got missed, 01:11:35.190 --> 01:11:36.550 you want to check in Saturday. 01:11:36.550 --> 01:11:40.970 It's going to either be in the late afternoon or in the evening when we have the show, 01:11:40.970 --> 01:11:42.710 but we're definitely having it. 01:11:42.710 --> 01:11:47.220 It's going to possibly be a pretty long show, but there's a lot to unpack. 01:11:47.220 --> 01:11:53.570 I'm excited to expose some of the insanity that was said in that Flat Earth Debate and 01:11:53.570 --> 01:11:56.580 just kind of put it to bed a little bit. 01:11:56.580 --> 01:12:01.100 I had a lot of cool slides, a lot of cool images and stuff I wanted to share. 01:12:01.100 --> 01:12:06.410 Didn't really get to share all of that because it was never going to happen. 01:12:06.410 --> 01:12:07.670 I had like over 80 images. 01:12:07.670 --> 01:12:10.290 That was never going to happen in that two hour show that we had. 01:12:10.290 --> 01:12:17.080 So you can only show so much but I'm excited to get a chance to really walk through it, 01:12:17.080 --> 01:12:18.180 talk about some of those things. 01:12:18.180 --> 01:12:20.620 What were your thoughts about the debate? 01:12:20.620 --> 01:12:23.270 Just give us a kind of a high level here. 01:12:23.270 --> 01:12:23.900 What did you think? 01:12:23.900 --> 01:12:31.760 Well, when you drive past a flaming car crash, you can't help but look over and go, 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:33.570 "Hmm, what's going on there?" 01:12:33.570 --> 01:12:35.030 Rubbernecking, I think is the term. 01:12:35.030 --> 01:12:35.820 Rubbernecking. 01:12:35.820 --> 01:12:38.430 Rubbernecking, I think is the term for it. 01:12:38.430 --> 01:12:41.120 And so yeah, entertainment, for sure. 01:12:41.120 --> 01:12:46.970 Great television, drama, suspense, everything you're looking for in a live stream. 01:12:46.970 --> 01:12:52.700 I think that debates, for me, they're always going to be that way 01:12:52.700 --> 01:12:56.660 because it's an opportunity to have our worldview challenged. 01:12:56.660 --> 01:13:02.770 And Pastor, you brought up that you felt more sharpened after this one. 01:13:02.770 --> 01:13:08.780 And after this debate and surely after the Red Heifer debate as well, 01:13:08.780 --> 01:13:13.210 I think that's an added positive to these confrontations 01:13:13.210 --> 01:13:17.250 is that you get a chance to really study hard on a particular topic 01:13:17.250 --> 01:13:20.730 and learn perhaps a little more about it in the process. 01:13:20.730 --> 01:13:26.870 Yeah, to me, it made me think like WWE or UFC where it's just all this wild card 01:13:26.870 --> 01:13:29.100 and it's crazy and anything can happen. 01:13:29.100 --> 01:13:30.450 It's live radio. 01:13:30.450 --> 01:13:33.240 We start off where we're fighting over. 01:13:33.240 --> 01:13:34.990 You're wondering if the show's even going to happen. 01:13:34.990 --> 01:13:35.700 Is it going to happen? 01:13:35.700 --> 01:13:38.250 It was like, what is going on? 01:13:38.250 --> 01:13:40.030 Drama and it's good. 01:13:40.030 --> 01:13:40.750 I mean, think about it. 01:13:40.750 --> 01:13:42.580 Think of all the reality shows. 01:13:42.580 --> 01:13:44.330 What do they sell reality shows on? 01:13:44.330 --> 01:13:47.830 Oh, look, this person had a fight with this other one. 01:13:47.830 --> 01:13:50.050 Tune in next week to figure out what happens. 01:13:50.050 --> 01:13:53.470 The news media does this all the time where they bring people on to debate 01:13:53.470 --> 01:13:55.140 and they bicker and fight over. 01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.220 This is what people want to watch. 01:13:57.220 --> 01:13:59.970 Well, and of course, we're going to still have some other shows. 01:13:59.970 --> 01:14:04.560 I think there might be a scheduled debate on Standing for Truth channel 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.960 at some point with somebody that believes in work salvation. 01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:12.610 And, you know, I'm really scared that they're going to convince me, Ben. 01:14:12.610 --> 01:14:15.870 Oh, I'm sure you're going to be having to do like tons and tons 01:14:15.870 --> 01:14:17.920 and tons of hours of debate prep on that. 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:22.050 Yeah. So, you know, we're trying to get out there. 01:14:22.050 --> 01:14:24.740 We're trying to reach new people, support the show. 01:14:24.740 --> 01:14:26.480 You can join us on Locals. 01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:28.930 You can watch the show on Apple Podcast. 01:14:28.930 --> 01:14:30.110 There's a lot of other things. 01:14:30.110 --> 01:14:31.660 What else can they find us on? 01:14:31.660 --> 01:14:34.870 Well, they can find us on, you brought up Apple Podcast. 01:14:34.870 --> 01:14:36.850 They could also find us on Spotify. 01:14:36.850 --> 01:14:38.190 That's the big one as well. 01:14:38.190 --> 01:14:39.850 Google Podcasts as well. 01:14:39.850 --> 01:14:44.280 And don't forget to check out TheBaptistBias.com. 01:14:44.280 --> 01:14:46.050 Yeah, TheBaptistBias.com. 01:14:46.050 --> 01:14:49.400 Check out Ben on Twitter @BenTheBaptist. 01:14:49.400 --> 01:14:50.260 Thank you. 01:14:50.260 --> 01:14:54.680 It's @BaptistBen316. 01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:57.140 @BaptistBen316. 01:14:57.140 --> 01:14:58.550 Make sure to give him a follow. 01:14:58.550 --> 01:15:02.640 And I also want to say that if you're listening to our show 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:06.120 and you haven't heard Pastor Shelley preach, 01:15:06.120 --> 01:15:11.580 then you need to just search Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble. 01:15:11.580 --> 01:15:14.150 Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble. 01:15:14.150 --> 01:15:17.950 And his last sermon was on Zechariah chapter number three 01:15:17.950 --> 01:15:21.230 in what I thought was an informative Bible study. 01:15:21.230 --> 01:15:22.350 So check that out. 01:15:22.350 --> 01:15:24.270 Steadfast Baptist Church on Rumble. 01:15:24.270 --> 01:15:27.390 I think you're missing out if you don't listen to our preaching. 01:15:27.390 --> 01:15:31.230 Well, thank you so much for joining us for a special episode of The Baptist Bias. 01:15:31.230 --> 01:15:33.710 Thanks so much to Owen Shroyer for joining us. 01:15:33.710 --> 01:15:38.030 And look, folks, everyone's got a perspective, but you need to get The Baptist Bias.