- Thank you everybody for joining us
on the "Baptist Bias" special episode.
This is the first night of our FBBF conference here
in the Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas area.
And we have two guest preachers this evening,
Pastor Bruce Mejia and Pastor Roger Jimenez.
Hopefully they'll be joining us on the show as well
this evening while we talk about a really important topic,
the war on God's word.
Thanks again for joining us
for another episode of the "Baptist Bias."
This is a special broadcast where we're doing
a kind of a pregame show before the conference this evening.
And if you want to check out the sermons for tonight,
you need to go to the Rumble channel
for Steadfast Baptist Church,
where you're gonna be able to hear Pastor Bruce Mejia
and Pastor Roger Menes preach this evening.
In fact, we're joined this evening with Pastor Bruce Mejia.
Why don't you say hi to us?
Did you check the cameras before you got on or what?
- Did you check the cameras? - Yeah.
- You guys got my coffee, so.
- Okay, good.
Do you need more coffee?
- Moscow coffee, maybe, we have to remember this one.
- Well, I saw the first comment in our livestream
was asking when is the Rod of Iron podcast coming back?
And so, I feel like I just had to ask that question.
- Yeah, I don't know.
We put a pause on that for a little bit.
You kind of destroyed us there.
We had to take a break on it
to everyone forget about the jokes.
- I just think it's funny that that's the first thing
people are asking about on our show.
When's Rod of Iron coming back?
- Yeah, apparently our show's not good enough,
so they're just like, when's the real show coming back?
- Yeah, I guess we have these mics really close
for everybody to hear well,
but you don't mix that iron with Myri-Clay.
That's where it kind of breaks down, so.
No, thanks so much for being here.
Hopefully Pastor Minnis might make it
so he can be on the show with us tonight as well.
Benz, want to say hello to everybody.
- How's it going, everyone?
It's great to be here.
I'm always excited to be at a conference.
And the Fire-Breathing Baptist Fellowship,
this is the third one that our church has done so far.
It's always a great time.
If you're not here with us live,
I just want to echo what Pastor Shelley said.
Go to the Steadfast Baptist Church Rumble channel right now
so you can check out Pastor Mejia's sermon,
Pastor Jimenez's sermon, and then tomorrow,
Pastor Berzins and Pastor Anderson
will be preaching for us.
You don't want to miss out on this.
Go to the Rumble channel, but I'm really excited.
We have a really interesting topic tonight.
And it's the Fire-Breathing Baptist Fellowship.
How could you not be pumped up?
- Now, I think both of you guys,
you were here for both of the previous conferences
we had, right?
You were preaching at both.
Is that correct, if I remember?
- I think I preached at one of them,
and that was a life-changing conference, of course,
but yeah, it's a very memorable conference.
- Did you preach at the Sampson Park one, or no?
- I don't know, you guys moved to so many places.
- I can't remember.
- I don't really know where you guys were at.
I'm kinda curious.
- I know you preached me over there.
- I'm curious where you guys are gonna be next year.
- Yeah.
- It's hard to keep track.
- Well, it's like you gotta catch 'em all, you know?
It's just like a different phase every week.
And so, it's that, we're in that growth spurt phase,
I guess, where you just change every single week.
- Thanks so much for being here again,
and hopefully this will be even more life-changing
than last time.
- Hopefully not.
(both laugh)
- Inside joke there.
- Yeah, but we're glad you're here.
Now, this topic, the war on God's world,
I'm sorry, the war on God's word, is not just hyperbole,
it's not just something that we're just making up here.
There are people out there saying, literally,
that they want to attack King James-onlyism
and attack our view on Scripture.
And I think you got a clip from somebody,
this guy is a former pastor, he got voted out by his church,
but he has just pretty much gone full on-scale war
against King James-onlyism.
And I want to play a little clip here,
it's clip number three, Jonathan Burris,
the war on God's word.
And I just want to hear from the horse's mouth
that there really are pastors out there
attacking this position.
- Video, responding to comments that I've received
over the last three weeks in response to videos
regarding Isaiah 14, 12, Daniel 3, 25,
and my subsequent firing for stating
that modern English versions were accurate
in their translations of those two verses.
Weeks later, I continue to get hundreds
and hundreds of comments on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter,
private messages, and even some texts and phone calls.
As one friend told me, I took a stick to a hornet's nest.
Well, for the sake of everyone,
that hornet's nest needs to be knocked down.
It needs to have gasoline poured on it.
It needs to be destroyed.
Why?
Because King James-only-ism is divisive
and dangerous to the body of Christ.
It also causes some to have a negative opinion
of a wonderful translation that has been tainted
by a vocal minority of people
who hold that a particular Bible translation
is to be held in a higher regard than any other,
not based on preference, but based on an unbiblical
and illogical conviction that it is the only
inerrant, inspired, infallible Word of God
for the English-speaking people.
- So there you hear it.
This guy, quote, Pastor Burris,
even though he got voted out of his church,
so I don't know he's pastoring anymore,
but this guy is saying that he wants to pour gasoline
on King James-onlyism.
What are your thoughts when you hear that, Brother Ben?
- Well, I think of somebody who hates the King James Bible.
Now, he's gonna deny that, but the reality is,
he's set out to make Christians feel less confident
in the Word of God.
That's what he's trying to do,
is make Christians feel less confident about the Bible,
about God's preserved Word.
And in doing so, he actually is...
He's overthrowing people's faith, in a sense.
- I don't know if you've heard about this guy before,
but what do you think about,
or have you heard of some of these other pastors,
I have been pastors that are walking away
from the King James, or now, in my mind,
kind of going this deconstruction route,
getting away from King James only-ism, fundamentalism,
what do you think about that?
Have you heard about other people like this?
- Yeah, I mean, they make the same argument
that this guy just made,
and he actually made a statement
that, honestly, I do agree with,
and that is that King James only-ism is divisive,
and it absolutely is, because as it divides,
it makes a distinction between that which is correct
and that which is incorrect.
And he talks about how it's divisive in the body of Christ,
and I agree with that as well,
because it removes that which is an error
from the body of Christ.
It cuts off that which doesn't belong there,
and it takes a strong stance on what is true,
whereas the modern versions of the Bible
kind of all agree with one another,
even though textually they don't,
philosophically they do,
and King James-onlyism seems to stand alone
and say, "Well, you guys are all wrong."
- Well, and it seems like he was suggesting
that there is no such thing as a superior translation.
I mean, does this just mean that all translations are equal
as long as they're not King James?
How does that even work?
If you have a church and you need to read the Bible
and you believe they're all equal, then what do you use?
- Any and all translations, I guess.
I mean, at that point, everything is fair game.
And they would say that there's no way
that the inspiration of God's word can be preserved
through a translated Bible.
That's their position.
- Well, you experience this personally
because one of his friends is somebody
that you used to be in church with,
Pastor Brian Sams,
who actually took his church away from the King James.
What happened there?
- Yeah, the first ever pastor that I had
actually right after getting saved,
I went to his church
and he turned out to not be King James only at all.
He started out with that position,
but he moved his church off the King James
and actually uses very similar talking points to this guy
and claiming that it's divisive
and that we need to move away from it.
And that, you know, the other Bibles are totally okay.
They're fine.
And he's actually created a program.
This pastor to transition is what he calls it.
Transition other independent Baptists
away from the King James Bible
and to the NIV or the ESV or the new King James.
And I think it's just horrible.
But I wanna echo what you said real quickly.
Jesus Christ, he said that he came not
to bring peace on earth, but rather division, a sword.
And so it would make sense for this doctrine to be divisive.
But you know what I say to that?
So what?
Doesn't really matter.
It's Brian Sams and Jonathan Burris that just need to get over it.
Yeah, it is divisive.
Well, and if we look at where the division is, those who ended up dividing and being
on the King James only side versus those who are not, what's the fruit difference between
these churches?
I mean, which churches are the ones that are more conservative, more fundamental, care
about what the Bible actually says, are doing God's commandments, doing the soul winning,
standing for faith alone?
I mean, it becomes pretty clear who's right on this issue, just based on the fruit.
I mean, what do you, have you not, do you not see an obvious difference between churches
that are King James and ones that are using modern versions, Pastor Mia?
Yeah.
I mean, all across the board, when you look at churches that use the modern versions of
the Bible, you can look at all types of for regarding their preaching, for example, they
often are churches that don't preach against sin or specific sin, and they end up redefining
what sin is.
They are people who compromise and tolerate abominable things.
And not only that, but when it comes to the fruit of converts, for example, you know,
they don't necessarily have a whole lot of converts because of the fact that they preach
a false gospel.
And that should have come, that should come as no surprise because the Bibles that they're
using often have a convoluted gospel.
It's very misconstrued.
It's very confusing.
And so if they're using that to preach from, obviously the congregation is going to get
all mixed up.
I've knocked on the doors of people in Southern California, people who attend these types
of churches, and as much as they claim to be Christian and they claim to be believers
in Jesus, when it comes down to the matter of salvation, they can't give you a clear
answer.
Well, why is that?
Well, because they're going to one of these churches that are using these modern versions
of the Bible that are confusing them.
And so there's a definite distinction between our doctrine and their doctrine based upon
the Bibles that we use.
And you know, to me, I think that if I went to church and I was told, "Well, no translation
is perfect.
In fact, you know, they all have problems, they all have issues, you know, we don't really
know exactly what the Bible really says," that that would not encourage me to read it.
That would encourage me to study it as opposed to if I'm going to church where they say,
"This is exactly what God wants us to understand.
You can trust every single word."
I feel like that's going to make me appreciate the text more, take it more seriously, want
to read it and where you have just this cornucopia of translations where they're all kind of
right and kind of wrong at the same time.
It seems like there's no way to really have edifying conversations, change people's minds,
take the text seriously and it forces all of these people if they want to get serious
to learn Greek.
Right?
They have to learn Greek and go back to the original languages and study and really just
become a student of what I would say gurus.
People like James White, there's a new guy, Mark Ward, and they also have videos on this
subject.
I think clip one we have of James White and you can tell this Jonathan Burris is not like
a scholar on his own.
He's just simply regurgitating what many of these other pseudo intellectuals and fake
apologists for the modern versions would say.
But I want to hear a clip from James White real quick.
Let's play this clip one.
These individuals like Stephen Andrews could never engage, never engage the world in any
kind of meaningful apologetic at all.
And they don't.
They don't.
The world loves when these guys come along because they're so easy to defeat.
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like the world loves us and they love our doctrine, and that just sounds
like really reasonable.
What do you think about that, Pastor Maria?
Well that which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the eyes of God.
And so if he's claiming that the world does not like Pastor Anderson in churches like
ours, I mean he's only validating that we are of God because of the fact that the world
hates us.
And so why would the world be comfortable talking to us?
Why would the world be in agreement with us?
I mean we're not, we're not equally yoked together with him.
What fellowship has, what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness?
And so he's kind of self-condemning himself right there because if people, if the world
is agreeing with him, he's basically saying that he's not of God.
I think that's a great point and kind of on the, if I take, you know, his train of thought,
he's trying to suggest this idea that they would love, the world love to debate Pastor
Anderson because they can so easily destroy him intellectually and that all of his ideas
are just so easily defeated.
My question would be then why is he one of the most censored people on the planet?
Why are churches like ours some of the most censored churches on the planet?
If our ideas are just so obviously wrong and easily defeated, you know, there's certain
ideas like this, like the flat earth theory, that's not censored on online because it's
such a dumb idea and such a foolish doctrine.
They love putting that out there and knocking it down just to show how foolish it is.
I would submit to you that the reason why we're being censored is because they cannot
defeat our arguments because our arguments are coming from the Bible and the Bible is
the truth.
Just like Stephen, when he was confronting the Jews, they just got to a point where they
had to close their ears and just run upon him in mad fury because they could not defeat
his arguments.
They couldn't gain, say, his wisdom and so the only option left was to censor him, was
to shut him down and so, you know, it's funny to me that this guy pretends like the world
can so easily defeat our arguments.
Where are all these videos debunking?
It's just simply just shutting it down, attacking, ad hominem attacks.
There's no way to engage the King James Bible intellectually and defeat it and, you know,
I think that this guy is, you know, blowing smoke here.
Well, what about the fact that, you know, he claims that the world can defeat Pastor
Anderson's arguments or his doctrine or any one of ours?
But Pastor Anderson and his church and our churches win thousands of people to Christ
every single month and we're constantly converting the world to God's Word, to the way the Word
of God teaches about salvation, what the Bible says.
I mean, we have fruit to prove that.
We have comments in our church who formerly did not believe what the Bible says and then
we came to them and showed them what the Bible says and we converted them and now they're
like us, so what about that?
And in just a matter of minutes.
I mean, we could take someone that's been a Catholic their whole life, decades, and
in 15, 20 minutes completely change their mind and turn them towards the things of God.
There's been people who were in the modern versions and in just sheer minutes of showing
them why the modern versions are corrupted, they change their mind and become King James
only very quickly.
Why is it that we can so easily convert people over that are at least humble or willing to
listen if our arguments are so outdated?
I mean is this not the experience you have going out evangelizing, Ben?
I've actually had people who own an NIV on multiple occasions when I show them an Acts
837 that's missing or another verse that's missing and they just go, "Here, take it."
There was even one lady who the NIV was gifted to her by a relative who she really cared
about and she still said, "Go ahead, take it.
I don't want it.
It's missing scriptures."
So yeah, people can very easily be swayed, but here's the thing that James White is
trying to say, he's trying to make the point that you, Pastor Mejia and Pastor Anderson
as well, the pastors of the New IFB and other King James Onlyists, cannot engage in apologetics,
because that's what he talked about.
He said you can't engage in any meaningful apologetic while holding to the King James
Only position.
And to that I say, well, why does that matter?
I mean, aren't you guys more interested in going and knocking on the everyman's door
and giving them the gospel on their doorstep?
Are you really that concerned with whether or not James White thinks he can go out and
defeat a Muslim in a debate or something like that?
Because the last time I checked, that's not exactly the focus of your guys' ministry.
Sure.
And I mean, you know, Pastor Anderson literally did have a sit down kind of interview discussion
with James White.
And at the point that Pastor Anderson was proving him wrong, James White just totally
shut down the conversation, wouldn't even discuss doctrines that he disagreed with,
even though he had no justification or support for his view.
And so how is it that if Pastor Anderson's view were so bad that James White couldn't
just easily defeat them, as opposed to he just simply ran away from the conversation?
Because again, this guy's not truly an intellectual, he's a pseudo-intellectual, he's intellectually
dishonest about many of the things that he says.
And look, frankly speaking, if Pastor Anderson debated James White, he would wipe the floor
with him.
It's not even funny.
And so, you know, I hope one day that this happens.
I know that there's been talks about it in the past, but, you know, "Hey, James White,
why don't you put your money where your mouth is and I would love to see you defeat Pastor
Anderson on King James-onlyism."
You know, I believe that any guy in the New Ivy could hold his own against James White
in this discussion because the truth is more powerful than his intellect.
He might be a better debater or might have more experience in that arena.
But you know what? The truth is always more powerful no matter how weak the orator is.
And so I'm just hoping that someday we get to see that smackdown because I just think
that that would be funny.
There's another clip here of Mark Ward and it's hard to even listen to this guy because
he sounds like a literal faggot, but you know, you can be the judge of this conversation.
I want to offer you some hard-won counsel on how to carry the burden of love for people
caught in one particular transgression, a very widespread trap called KJV-only-ism.
My counsel begins with answering the question, what transgression exactly are KJV-only Christians
caught in?
The answer isn't immediately apparent.
Most KJV-only Christians are just trusting their pastors, who have told them that 1)
the King James is the only truly trustworthy translation, and 2) the King James is the
only Bible translation based on the pure Hebrew and Greek texts.
Both of these things are, I believe, not true.
My KJV-only brothers tell me, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word
that proceeds from the mouth of God."
So we have to have every word, they say.
But is this really what Jesus intends to say in this verse?
I've covered this elsewhere, but the fact is that Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy, and
he doesn't actually quote the relevant verse with word-for-word accuracy and perfection.
He changes Lord to God.
For one thing, take a look for yourself, even within the King James.
"I just can't get from this verse," Matthew 4:4, "to perfect Bible translation without
a number of leaps that the Bible does not demand or endorse."
That's nice speech berating, dude.
I think that effeminate people feel awkward around him, so you know, he's beyond the sin
of effeminacy there.
How do you sound like that much of a homo?
Because you hate the King James Bible.
You know, if you hate the King James Bible, we start sounding like that, and so that's
why you want to be King James only, and you know, it sounds more Texan, you know, I reckon
the sufferings of this world are not worthy to be compared.
So you know, that's my little spiel for Texas, and of course everybody coming here loves
Texas, and you know, they appreciate it, and they know that it's the promised land, and
they've never been in a better country in their life, in this part of the world, and
so, you know, you're never going to find better advocates than Pastor Mia and Pastor Minnis
for Texas, and how wonderful it is, and so, we got over 80 people in the chat, we got
a lot of people here, if you got a question on this topic that you want to drop in here,
we could ask it while we're here on the air, and you know, this guy, I don't know, it's
hard to even want to respond to this guy, because it's just, listening to him is just
like such nails on a chalkboard. Did you even hear anything that you even care to comment
on? Well, I do think it's kind of funny that he's putting this Rachmanite understanding
of King James, he's projecting this Rachmanite understanding of King James only as an "on"
to us, and saying, "Well, see, it's not a word-for-word quotation of Deuteronomy, therefore
your doctrine is false." And it's like, we never said that it had to be. We understand
that words are a vehicle by which you communicate meaning, and so yeah, obviously if they're
synonymous language it's fine. Every time these people, it's like every time they want
to attack the King James only position, they go after "Ruckmanism." How about you go
after what normal King James only people believe?
Yeah, it's the retarded step-cousin of King James only-ism that we wish wasn't even there,
and so that's the only thing they can really attack, because of course there's some over-the-top
views of King James only-ism, but you know, believing that it's God's inspired, preserved
word and it's the only translation that should be used is the most logical conclusion, and
it's evidenced by its fruit.
Of course, you know, believing that the underlying Greek or Hebrew are inferior to the King James
is a bizarre idea that sometimes Reckmanites or people like that get, or this double inspiration
view of Scripture, but you know, at least they're using the right Bible.
I would rather be friends with a Reckmanite using the right Bible than Mark Ward, you
know what I mean?
And I get it.
Like, you know, sure, the Reckmanites are off and wrong and they have some problems,
but at least you know which Bible they're going to use.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, there's no doubt they'll be using the King James.
That's for sure.
We don't have to doubt that or worry about that.
But what do you think, Pastor Mejia, about this fag-loving idiot?
Well, I mean, just the way he talks kind of gives away what kind of Bible he uses.
And so I never want to be a person who's characterized by criticizing the Bible.
So if your ministry is based off of tearing down the Word of God and criticizing King
James onlyism, that should say something about that person, you know, if that's what their
ministry is based off of.
But, you know, I don't think he has a leg to stand on, you know, a lot of the things
that he's pointing out.
It's kind of a straw man argument, because, again, like what you said, he's attacking
Rukmanism, which we're not Rukmanites, you know.
We don't hold those views.
We don't believe in that.
And so why don't you attack our principles and the principles that we live by, why we
believe the King James Bible is the inspired and preserved Word of God, and not try to
kind of circumvent that and attack Rukmanism, attack what we believe.
Yeah.
And how about the language, "Oh, you know, we need to rescue these King James onlyists.
They're caught in a transgression," and all this kind of language to make it appear as
if something's wrong with us or that we have some kind of issue that we need to be saved
from, courtesy of Mark Ward, apparently trying to be our savior.
I hate this gaslighting, condescending, patronizing language that the enemy uses sometimes.
It's like, "Give me a break."
A recovering fundamentalist type view, right?
Of course, of all the problems in the world, when we talk about the Israel and the Palestinian
conflict, inflation, foreign wars, Ukraine, election integrity, border crises, probably
the most important issue is the fact that some people like the King James Bible a little
too much.
You know what I mean?
Of all the problems out there, all the false doctrines, the Joel Osteen, the TD Jakes,
the snake handling, Pentecostals, I mean, the people that really need to be rescued
are those recommended.
I mean, it's like, "Give me a break."
Is that really the people that are the worst and the people you need to spend and dedicate
your life to, "Rescuing"?
What I notice is these people that start attacking the King James Bible, they end up repeating
a lot of arguments that you would hear atheists, or that you would hear Muslims, or that you
would hear all kinds of people that just even hate Christianity and the Jews, and it gets
to a point where I'm thinking, "Do you even believe the Bible at all?
Do you even have any confidence in Scripture whatsoever?"
And it's just kind of frustrating to me when you see these type of people go down this
road because it's like this deconstruction movement starts with King James-only-ism,
and then they just become an atheist eventually when they get all the way down the road.
And I feel like that's kind of a common theme with these individuals, and they're the men
that are crept in unawares, like Jude mentions, and it's someone that we should earnestly
contend with.
People that are anti-King James-only, I do think it's important for us to fight those
people.
I just don't see how anybody could logically think that you should fight King James-only-ism.
I mean, this doesn't really add up to me.
What do you think about this deconstruction movement and people attacking those who are
King James-only?
Well, my question is, if you're going to attack us, what is it about our ministry and about
the converts that you find people need to be saved from?
The fact that they're assured of their salvation, the fact that they love doctrine, they love
the Bible, they're raising their families for the Lord, they're loving their wives as
Christ also loved the church, they're reverencing their husbands, they are raising their children
and nurturing the admonition of the Lord.
I mean, are these things bad?
Because this is the fruit of being a King James-only-ist, pastor and minister.
And so what makes you think you have to save us from the King James Bible, if the King
James Bible is producing this type of fruit in our lives?
The person you should be saving is the individual who's within these non-denom churches that
isn't assured of their salvation.
They're constantly doubting, they're constantly involved in sin, their lives are a wreck,
they're going through divorces, they have all, it's just like a cesspool of sin in the
church.
Well, that's a byproduct of the Bible that they're using in the preaching that they have.
They need the saving, not us, what we need is for people to understand what our position
is and we need the liberty to be able to preach the word of God so we can continue to convert
others to Christ, to teach him the Bible, and to live a prosperous Christian life.
Amen.
Well, we brought in the big guns to rescue us on the show, Pastor Roger Jimenez, thanks
so much for joining us.
You got to get really close to your mic just so people can hear you really well, but why
don't you say hi to everybody?
Hello, thank you for having me on the show.
Sorry I'm late.
We have some problems with our flight, but it's good to see you, good to see you Pastor
Maguia.
And I'm glad to be here, glad to be here for the conference, glad to be here for the podcast.
Yeah considering history I'm impressed that these guys came back and so we're great to
have them at the Fire Beating Baddest Fellowship where you never know what's going to happen,
but you know that it's going to be fire and so I'm excited to hear these guys preach.
My lawsuit has officially closed so that's the only reason I'm here.
I was actually not allowed to interact with you.
Well you know what, ours did too so hey you know what, praise God on that and you know
the Lord is good and so I'm glad you guys are here and you're still my friend.
You know it's like all obstacles to try and get you to not be my friend.
I'm in Texas, you have people attack you just because you show up and so you know the fact
that they're still willing to come back here makes me feel like maybe I do really have
some friends and so I appreciate you guys being here.
We're talking about the war on God's Word and we kind of put a few clips here from
James White, a few other guys who kind of have made it their life's mission to attack
King James onlyism or people who believe in the King James Bible.
Some of their arguments lean towards Ruckmanism but at the same time they're just kind of
generally against King James onlyism.
Is this something that you feel like you've experienced or seen people who are kind of
just dedicated to attacking the King James Bible?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, there's definitely a movement of people out there that have just, like you said, the
names you gave, people who have just kind of made it their mission to try to just discredit
the King James Bible.
And again, to me that just shows that the King James Bible really is the word of God.
Because show me the movement of people out there that are just really, you know, other
than us, you know, that are really - but we're against all, you know, modern Bible versions,
right?
But just show me the people that are just like, "No, just the NIV.
That's just, you know, anything but the NIV."
Because that's really - and even the people that aren't against the King James, a lot
of like the liberals today, they have this attitude that's just like anything but the
King James, you know, like whatever you want to use - the ESV, the NIV, even the new King
James, but just the King James, you know, that's really archaic or whatever.
So the fact that there's just a target on the King James Bible - I'm actually going
to talk not about this specifically, but I'm going to talk about this in my sermon - whenever
there's a target on anything, that should give you an idea that the devil's against,
you know, the devil's doing that.
There's a target - show me the churches that are being attacked, like the new IFB churches.
Show me the Bible that's being attacked like the King James Bible.
So just the fact that there is a group of people that are trying to destroy the King
James Bible and trying to keep people from using it should tell you something about the
fact that it's the Word of God.
I think that's a great point.
And you know, when we talk about the King James Bible and some of these people that
attack it, what I find interesting is they're always quick to tell you all the problems.
They'll say, "Oh, I know all kinds of problems and issues with the King James."
But you know, they never seem to tell you like, "So since we've identified all these
problems, we're going to come out with the actual right version."
Or like you said, they're not pointing to the NIV and saying, "This is it."
But if you truly believe that you had identified, let's just throw a number, a hundred errors
or two hundred or whatever the number is, why wouldn't you then work towards getting
that corrected, making that a published work, and getting it out there so everybody can
actually have the Word of God instead of continuing to just be this guru of like, "Well, I know
what all the errors are and I know what the Bible really says, but you guys don't really
know."
It's like, why don't you just get it dialed in for us as opposed to just constantly telling
us how bad it is?
Why don't you just show us?
Why don't you just go ahead and make your little translation of the Bible that's the
perfected version?
Right.
And it doesn't seem like anyone really that's not King James only has a Bible that they
point to and just say like, "This is it."
Have you ever heard Pastor Mekia, someone say like, "This is the English version that's
superior to all of the versions."
I've only had people say, you know, "I would go with these three, you know, this is my
personal favorite," or something, but it's like they're never really solid or they don't
really take a stance on one particular Bible, which as a Christian would concern me, if
a person who claims to know so much about the Bible doesn't really know which Bible
to use and claims to be so knowledgeable about the underlying scriptures and can tear apart
the King James Bible, but isn't really sure themselves as far as what Bible they should
use.
It's like when people want to criticize us what we believe about salvation, but they
don't even know themselves if they're saved.
It's just kind of like, if you're not sure of that, if you don't have the confidence,
then who are you?
Yeah, and of course they'll say, this is what they kind of say sometimes, well, it's the
Greek or it's the Hebrew.
But even then, they're using the Nestle Elan 28th edition, they're not even necessarily
dialed into a specific Greek text.
The Greek text is constantly changing, just like the English texts are constantly changing.
And so they just simply would admit their position is, we don't know what the Bible
really says.
We're just kind of guessing.
We're still researching, we're still trying to find it.
And it's like, why would God want us to be on an endless quest to find the Word of God
and never have it?
Why wouldn't He just want us to all just all have it readily available for every single
person instead of just one guru out there just trying to find it randomly?
I mean, are they ever going to find it, Ben?
Well, that's the difference between the two positions.
You have one position that says the Word of God must constantly evolve based on new discoveries
of Alexandrian manuscripts or the CBGM method they're going to use to bring the NA-29 into
existence.
And then the other position that says, "Hey, the Word of God is stable.
It hasn't changed, the received text hasn't changed, the Hebrew Masoretic text hasn't
changed, the King James Bible hasn't changed, and it's never going to change."
That's the difference between the two positions.
But unfortunately, there's a movement out there, and you had brought it up earlier with
my pastor, my old pastor got sucked into this, the movement that says it's time to transition
away because the Word of God is constantly changing, so it's time to transition away
from the King James.
And this was his big argument that he made, and I want to get your guys's response to
this.
He said, "The reason why I took my church off the King James Bible is because I knew
it was going to happen eventually, that the next guy that I ordained to take my church
over would no longer be King James only because the King James Bible is becoming history.
We're moving on.
We're evolving.
We're progressing."
The way I would think about it is not if the new IFB has anything to say about it, but
what do you guys think about that?
This idea that there's going to come a day when no one's using the King James anymore
and so you kind of have to change now, rip the band-aid off now.
That was his attitude.
I mean, that logic sounds like a parent saying, "The reason that I gave my children marijuana
is because I knew that someone eventually was going to offer it to them."
What kind of a ridiculous argument is even that?
That doesn't even make any sense.
I do want to take a moment, if it's okay, being on the Baptist Bias and having Pastor
Mejia sitting next to me with this cup here to just ask for Mas Cafe.
Yes.
I thought you were going to say to praise Texas, just because I figured that both of
you guys love Texas more than anybody I've ever met.
Get this man a coffee.
He's actually legitimately getting you one.
Okay.
Well, you know, John Lennon said that the Beatles were going to be more famous than
Jesus and he's dead and Jesus is still the most popular person in the world and the King
James Bible is still the most popular book in human history.
And just like your former pastor said, you know, unfortunately, he's going to die and
the King James Bible is still going to be marching on.
And it's funny that the King James Bible's history, why do our churches keep growing?
Good point.
And why do even better sermons keep getting preached?
You know, Pastor Mejia was tearing it up in LA and LA, I mean, you don't think of LA as
the Bible belt here, okay?
Like LA I feel like is just like evil and it's like Hollywood and whatever, but he's
reaching people and arguably one of the most evil places in the world with that old archaic
King James Bible.
I mean, how are you doing it Pastor Mejia?
Well, you know, the Bible says that the word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than
any two edged sword.
And so to that man who thinks that the King James Bible will be history, it'll be history
to him because he's not using it.
But to those of us who do use it, it remains powerful, it's capable of changing lives and
restoring marriages, winning people to Christ and making a huge difference even in the state
of California, you know, because it's the word of God.
And so to him, you know, he just has a defeatist attitude and obviously he doesn't believe
the King James Bible is the word of God, but he's just a defeated type of a person where
it's just like, well, I'm just going to accept the defeat sooner.
So my successor, you know, he's already transitioned into this new modern version.
But the reality is this.
I honestly was just kidding.
I'll take it.
I'm just kidding.
No, I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the, the, the proof that the King James Bible is the word of God is the
fact that it keeps staying in circulation and it's always being used, not just being
carried to church, but it's actually being read in church.
Amen.
People aren't just buying it and putting it on their coffee tables.
They're actually reading it every single day.
They're actually memorizing it.
They're utilizing it to win people to Christ.
I mean, it's constantly being used.
Yeah.
I always hammer this in with people who get confused on the topic.
Fluid versus stable.
You know what I mean?
And it's like our text is stable.
It will not change.
It's been preserved by God.
And that's true for the underlying Greek and Hebrew that it's predicated on and it's true
for the English translation as well.
What kind of a weak leader just openly admits like, "If I ordain someone, they're going
to totally change their doctrine and be against whatever I taught."
That's like a terrible pastor, terrible leader, terrible mentor, and it's like if you're teaching
somebody something and then they totally go against it, it's like, "Did you believe it?"
Or like, "What are you even trying to say there?"
Yeah.
I mean, he claims he changed his mind.
And, look, I don't think that you're going to ever have a perfect succession rate.
You know, obviously watching the Bible, great men train up people and then they kind of
let them down.
They fail.
They have issues.
They have problems.
The majority of your fruit isn't even like you.
To me, it kind of questions your leadership.
I see churches like West Coast, or at least the Bible college, West Coast and Lancaster
over in L.A.
Which is where he came from?
Okay.
Brian Samms.
Brian Samms came from there.
I see a lot of them.
He's in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, my former pastor.
We can play a clip so people are familiar.
Oh, that's your former pastor.
Yes.
We can play a clip here in a second, but again, it seems like it's Lancaster.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
They constantly are pumping people out who change, and they're not Baptists.
They're taking Baptists off the sign.
They're not King James anymore.
They're not fundamental anymore.
And to me, that almost seems like a failure of a ministry if you're pumping people out
that aren't even like you at all.
Obviously, you're going to always have differences.
They're going to be a little bit of variance.
Maybe some random bad apple every once in a while.
That's going to happen.
I get that.
But if you're just consistently pumping out people that are nothing like you, it kind
of makes me feel like you're not even holding to strong standards and strong convictions
yourself.
Let's play a clip from this Brian Samms that we talked so much about and let's get a face
to the name here.
Clip number four, Brian Samms.
This is why Ben the Baptist is the way he is.
But I also value the practical aspect of this subject and maybe nothing is more practical
than how really does a person move forward to use or to preach from a different translation
of the Bible and their actual ministry context because that's a question I get a lot about.
My history is independent, fundamental, Baptist, King James only, no pants on women kind of
cuts the context.
And obviously I no longer believe that and I've had guys ask me online, "Did you not
believe this when you were at such-and-such ministry?"
And the answer is yes.
I am okay to say I have changed on this subject.
So I put together a talk on the translation transition, how to go through the translation
transition.
So let's talk about that.
It's funny to me that this guy basically admits that he took his pants off and put them on
his wife and wants everybody to know that he no longer is the way that he is.
I mean, what guy wants his wife in a pair of pants?
That's weird.
And it just comes from the same heart of just attacking the Bible, attacking the fundamentals.
It would be so embarrassing to me if I had sent this guy out and then I hear him saying
these kind of things.
I mean, you've sent several guys out and they're all still rock solid.
How would you feel if this was your protege, this is your guy that you've ordained?
Well, I would be publicly attacking him.
That's what I would do.
I'm thankful that the guys that I've sent out so far have not made me look bad or anything,
so I'll pray for that.
Watch out, Pastor Jones.
I'm just kidding.
But yeah, I mean, obviously, we're all going to eventually send some guy out that does
something stupid.
Hopefully not that.
But I mean, you can just tell by the clip that these guys, they think they can't reach
people with old time religion, conservative Christianity, the King James Bible.
So what they're really, I mean, they're, you know, and they use these term transitioning.
Like is this really the age that you want to be using that term?
Yeah, we can tell you're transitioning.
And you're mentioning how you're getting your wife in the pants of the same conversation.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaking.
So there's something odd going on there.
But they have this idea that they have to become liberals to reach people.
And what the new IFB is showing the world is that you don't.
You know, I mean, steadfast is thriving.
First works is thriving.
Last night at Verity Baptist Church, it's our Wednesday night Bible study.
We're studying the book of Hebrews right now.
We just started chapter two.
We had 204 people show up on a Wednesday night to go through a verse by verse study of the
book of Hebrews.
And I thought to myself, like, this is, like, I felt like a little bit of revival, like,
the fact that there's 200 people that are, you know, I can hear them turning the pages,
I can see them taking notes, they're studying the Bible.
And what these guys need to realize is that there are people out there who want the truth,
who want to learn the Bible, know the Bible, live the Bible, and they don't have to compromise
and bring in a rock concert and wear a v-neck shirt or whatever he's wearing, you know,
black shirt.
You know what I mean, like this trendy style, that's all I see when I see that clip.
I definitely see the transition.
Yeah.
He's been transitioning a while.
What do you think about this Pastor Mia?
Yeah, just to echo what Pastor Jimenez said, I mean the fact that he is into this ministry
of transitioning people from Bibles to Bibles, and it's shown in his practical life as well
that he's transitioning his wife, he's transitioning his beliefs, and the Bible says to meddle
not with them who are given to change.
Amen.
So we have to be associated with people who are like landmarks, they're steadfast, they're
unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, and so the only thing that we should
ever change is the renewing of our minds when it begins to regress or go back to the world
or things that are not according to Scripture, we need to change our minds using the Word
of God.
But other than that, you know, not change Bibles, not change our Biblical convictions,
not change our ministry practices, keep it as is, you know, we need stability in a world
that's constantly changing and transitioning.
Well, it doesn't make logical sense even in the world.
Like if, you know, someone goes and starts a business, they start Outback, they start
a new location of Outback.
And then they say, you know, we're kind of transitioning away.
We're going to get away from steak, we're going to have like a vegan meatless option,
and we're going to kind of change the name, we're going to drop the out, and we're just
going to be called back.
And then, you know, we're just going to kind of change the style, it's not going to be
like Australia-themed anymore, it's going to be Indonesian, and it's just like, what's
the point of sending people out to start an Outback, and then them transition into this
weird Indonesian-backed meatless restaurant, like it just seems like a total failure.
It's like you don't want to send out somebody that's going to start something completely
different.
You know, it seems like the person wasn't even being genuine when they said, "Hey,
I want to start an Outback.
I want to serve steak.
I embrace the Aussie culture of, you know, this restaurant."
It's like this person is kind of like snuck in and is now kind of transitioning and changing
the entire paradigm.
I mean, it makes sense that not everybody is going to be the exact same and have all
the exact same preferences.
We're not talking about preferences here.
We're talking about serious, core, major doctrine.
I mean, when you talk about a King James only church, almost every time the number one
statement on their doctrine or their statement of faith is talking about the Bible and the
King James Bible specifically.
So we're talking about the top of the list, the most important issue, the number one thing
that you would think someone would believe in and they're changing that.
I mean, if you went to a church and they're changing the number one issue, isn't that
a red flag, Ben?
It's an enormous red flag, not to mention the fact that the church brought him on as
a pastor.
He wasn't the one who founded that church.
They brought him on as a pastor and before bringing him on, they wanted to make sure
that this guy was King James only.
That was a big priority for the congregation there at the time.
And he claimed, "Yes, I am, and I'm a hardcore King James only guy."
And then of course, a few years later, does this.
But I wanted to mention, and it's so important, and I blame him, okay?
Pastors shouldn't be influenced by their right-hand man, but this guy had a right-hand man and
I remember, he was your Dylan Oz, like your Dylan Oz.
This guy, I found out when I was going to that church, loved James White.
Even though it was a King James only church.
And here we are a few years later and we can see the results, the consequences of that
poison introduced into the ministry.
It's heartbreaking for me to see that.
I really, you know, have good memories of going to that church.
That guy was an excellent preacher, but unfortunately has totally compromised.
Well, I better make sure Dylan doesn't like James White.
And so as we kind of get closer to wrapping up this conversation, I want to remind everybody
you want to check out these sermons.
You can't watch it on this stream.
You got to go to our rumble, go to the steadfast Baptist church rumble.
We're going to be live streaming the services from that channel.
Also, you could check it out at godresource.com.
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Just ask for the link.
We email out the links every single service time, so that way you can check them out.
And it's going to be some great preaching this evening.
You want to make sure you check it out.
We're talking about the war on God's Word here.
And we've kind of talked about just kind of the fact that it exists.
There's people doing this.
Obviously, a lot of their decisions are kind of leading to a lot of liberalism.
But just in the world today, this attack on God's Word, how do you guys see this as affecting
people's view on life or like what is kind of a practical application you see from this
attack that you really are worried that people are kind of getting sucked into?
Pastor Mejia, what is kind of a big ramification of this attack that you're seeing now that
you think is kind of concerning?
Well, when it comes to from the world's perspective, you know, the world is constantly changing,
politics are constantly changing, people are constantly lying, there's no integrity in
the world.
And so the place where you expect to find integrity and stability is in the local New
Testament church, because their principles and doctrines and convictions are founded
upon the Bible.
But if that church is constantly transitioning, changing their beliefs, and they're not stable,
then they just become they become just like the world, where's the stability, you know,
the church is supposed to be the pillar and ground of truth.
But if they're constantly changing what they believe, they cease becoming that pillar because
of the fact that the foundations have been removed.
And so I think it's important for the world to have churches that stick to one Bible,
they stick to those convictions, and they stick to that for generations on end.
Amen.
Well, they need to get the truth from somewhere.
And people are searching for it's hard to find if the church can't give them the truth.
No one will.
What about you, Pastor Jimenez?
Do you see something really affecting people's lives or something as a consequence of this
attack on the King James Bible that it really kind of bothers you?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I agree, of course, with everything that Pastor Mejia said.
But I would add to that, that I would say the, obviously we fight the King James issue,
but I think maybe something that we don't always consider or we don't really see is
that all of these modern Bible versions coming out, plus all these people attacking the King
James, what it really does, in my opinion, it devalues the Word of God, because no longer
today is there just kind of the theme of what you guys have been talking about, this standard
of, "Forever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
This is it.
This is God's word."
Period.
There's a big question mark, right?
And that's where we start.
And the attack on the word of God begins with the devil in the Garden of Eden questioning
God's word.
There's a big question mark in the minds of people because churches are transitioning
away, pastors themselves are questioning the Bible, whether this is really the way it's
supposed to be translated or what this really means.
So in people's minds, there's always this question mark.
So we get up and we preach, you know, "Thus saith the Lord with authority."
And people that are not understanding the kingdom's issue, they think, "Well, does
it really say that?
Does the Bible really say that?"
So I believe that there's a devaluing of the Word of God.
When you question it, when you counterfeit it, it makes people not value the real, the
true Word of God, of course, which for us in English is the King James Bible.
And I would say that is a major, I want to say an unintended consequence, but I don't
think it was unintended.
But it's maybe the unseen consequence that there's just not a seriousness being taken
to the Word of God anymore.
And can I just say from a layman's perspective, you've preached a sermon, "Build your life
on the Bible."
You've repeated it in other sermons that you've preached as well.
And from my perspective as a church member, I would find it hard to be motivated to do
just that, to build my life on the Bible if the Bible I have in my hand is incomplete,
if it has errors, if it's screwed up in some way, if it's not every word of God.
If my entire livelihood, if everything that I do, if everything I eat, sleep, and breathe
is going to be based on the word of God, then I would want it to be perfect.
And knowing that it has all these errors and mistakes and problems would act as something
that actually hurts my ability to do that and makes me not as motivated to do that.
Well, and I don't know if this is necessarily the most important application, but one that
comes to my mind when I compare the King James issue and people that are using modern versions
is it seems like people are never going to stand on biblical standards when they use
these modern versions, and this guy already brought up the idea of women wearing pants.
It seems like you're probably never going to find an NIV church where all the women
are dressed in dresses, and you're probably not going to go to an NIV church where the
men are dressed in suits and ties, and you also are not going to have these people doing
it because of the fact that they're not even armed to defend their lifestyle decisions,
whereas these people in our pews, they have to go back home to their brothers and their
sisters and their parents and their coworkers and everybody and defend their lifestyle.
And when they don't have that sharp, two-edged sword of the King James Bible to say, "Look
what Deuteronomy 22.5 says.
Look what the Bible has in this issue," and the modern versions often weaken these points,
change them or twist them, then you end up seeing them not even actually holding to Biblical
standards, not being empowered.
Many of these modern preachers are not even using a singular version.
Their sermons are filled with an NIV here, an NLT here, a message here, which makes it
impossible for the layman to go out into the world and actually combat people because they're
not going to carry five Bibles with them to show all the random points of some kind of
a doctrine they have, whereas people that are the King James Bible, they've got their
sword in their hand, they're ready to slay false doctrine, they're ready to get people
saved on a moment's notice, and they're really able to live the Christian life successfully,
defend their lifestyle, defend their arguments, and we have an entire army of people going
out there and combating the enemy, whereas I feel like these modern versions are taking
the weapon out of the hands of Christians, not allowing them to live successful Christian
lives, they're not suited with the armor of God, and frankly speaking, they're not doing
anything, and we see that they're not only not doing things, they're being destroyed,
they're being attacked, and they're being defeated because they're not wearing the armor
of God, they don't have the shield of faith, they don't have that sort of the spirit to
counter-attack and counter-assault, and I think that it's really detrimental to the
laymen when they can't know what the Bible says.
For the Bible scholar that thinks, "Oh, it's okay for me, but what about the average plumber
and electrician and lady in the church?
They're not going to become a professor of Greek.
They're not going to go and study all these things, and what you're really doing is destroying
their faith, and it kind of just makes me sick when I think about it.
We're getting close to the end, so I want to give you guys a last chance to any final
thoughts or something you have on the topic or you want to share, Pastor Mejia, is there
something else that you kind of thought of that you were wanting to share?
Yeah, just to piggyback off of what you're saying is I think one of the biggest consequences
worldwide would be the fact that these modern versions are accelerating apostasy in churches,
and it's going to end up coming to a head where the Antichrist is going to have, is
going to inherit a world that is just ready to accept him because, not because necessarily
because of politics, not necessarily because of the politicians, or the Republicans or
the Democrats, but because of churches who have apostasized because they use these modern
versions of the Bible.
What about you, Pastor Jimenez, do you have any kind of final thoughts or something else
you wanted to say here?
Absolutely.
I would say the same application that you guys made, you guys were making the application
to the church member in the pew, but I would say that the same application applies to the
preacher in the pulpit because we are obviously fighting battles and we are dying on certain
hills for the word of God and for certain things that we believe, but these pastors
that are not King James only, the reason they're not fighting, the reason they don't take stands,
the reason they don't really take a strong stand on anything is because they don't have
a word of God that they can look at and say, "I'm going to die on this hill."
So I think that that is something that is very important for us to understand.
I would say another thing that people should just remember when it comes to this subject
is that for a long time there was this Greek game, you know, and of course, back in the
dark ages, of course, the Roman Catholic Church was like, "We're the only ones that can read
the Bible, we're the only ones that can understand the Bible, you need us."
And we still have that today, you know, the whole reason the Bible was translated in English
was to get away from that Latin game and Greek game so that the common man could have the
Bible.
But now we're just playing an English game with all these English versions where the
common man is still being told, "Well, you have 300 versions but you don't know which
one's right because it could change at any moment's notice and you're still not sure,
so you still need us."
So it's the same thing.
Absolutely.
I think you hit it the nail on the head and I've thought about that too, it's like we're
reverting back to the papacy and we're going back to where essentially you have to have
a pope or a priest tell you what the Bible says because no one knows except for them.
And that's why it's like if you really know what the Bible says, then why don't you give
us the translation?
Why don't you empower the people?
And they want to steal the power away from the people, away from the King James Bible,
away from Jesus Christ and give it to themselves.
And these people are just really, it's funny, they accuse us as being popes and setting
up kingdoms but they're the ones that are really trying to establish a cult, a personality,
trying to draw a following after them.
And you know, what is going to be the legacy of James White?
You know, he's not really pointing people to a church or a ministry, it's just, it's
all about him, Alpha and Omega Ministries and his podcast, so when he dies he's not
even leaving anything to anybody else trying to create more debaters or something.
It's like at least you guys have these churches where even if you left you still have this
church and you have people to follow in your footsteps and you send out other men that
have started other churches and you know, you actually have some kind of a movement
towards the future empowering other individuals whereas I see these gurus are just enriching
themselves, empowering themselves, taking on a lot of the glory.
You know, Ben, what does James White have to offer the world when he goes?
Apparently an amazing intellect that we should all be in awe of and an ability to debate
people.
I mean, come on, that is the most important issue of our day, is your skill at debating
atheists and Muslims, clearly.
And some cool tattoos, right, or something like that.
Clearly.
You have a church, right, that you can go to and hang out with Jeff Durbin?
Jeff Durbin.
Oh, okay.
Does he drink during the sermon, just to prove how spiritual he is, or how does that
work?
Sounds like it.
Probably, that's why he preaches what he does.
Yeah.
Well, you know, what you're talking about, I'm preaching a sermon tonight entitled Building
and Battling.
And what people don't understand is that we do a lot of battling, but we also do a lot
of building.
And the only thing that makes going to battle worth it is that you're fighting to preserve
what you're building.
The problem with these King James deconstructors is that they're just battling.
They're not building anything.
So like you said, when they die, what's going to be left?
What are they going to put on a tombstone?
Fought the King James Bible till the end.
Like what did you do?
What did you accomplish?
What did you build?
I'm all for battling.
I think we need to battle, but we need to build.
And if our movement ever became Westboro Baptist, where we're just battling but we're not building,
then it's not really worth it either.
I hope that I don't stick around long enough if we turn into that, but you know.
I don't think we will.
That sounds like an exciting sermon.
You got to make sure you're checking out a rumble.
We got Pastor Mejia, we got pastor Minas here.
We got a ton of people in the house.
It's going to be packed.
If you're anywhere in the Dallas-Forward area, you can make it.
Come out tonight.
Come out tomorrow night.
We've got another round of great preachers coming in.
It's the Fire Breathing Baptist Fellowship.
It's really exciting.
It's a lot of fun.
A lot of people in this area love coming out here and seeing these California boys come
and preach for them and letting them realize what the promised land is truly like.
And so we really appreciate them coming out here.
And we got to make Texas seem a little bit better to these guys because sometimes I hear
and they're preaching, you know, they have a conflicted heart on this issue and we need
to win them over a little bit more.
No, I appreciate that they love where they're at and they love building the ministries that
they have in California and they love it out there.
I guess what do you have better weather and all these other things that you like to brag
about and stuff like that.
But your governor is still Gavin Newsom and so, you know, Greg Abbott's not any better,
let's be honest folks.
Soon he will be all our president.
Yeah, he might be.
You know, him and Big Mike or something like that.
But Pastor Mio, how can we find us?
You've got just a few seconds here.
If people want to catch you after this, where can they hear your sermons?
They can listen to my live streams on Rumble.
Just look up First Verse of the Baptist Church.
You can go on our website, fwbcla.org.
Or if you want to tune into some other content, contact me personally.
You can always follow me on Instagram, Wild Olive Tree.
What about you Pastor Mio?
Where can we find you?
You know the best way, go to banbannotbound.com, and sign up for our email list, you'll get
everything you need.
That's the best way to do it.
Alright, that's going to do it for us on the Baptist Bias.
Ben, why don't you sign us off?
That's it for the show.
God bless you all.
We're going to get to the Fire Breathing Baptist Fellowship now.
Until next time, we'll talk to you guys again very soon.
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