Hey everybody, thanks for joining us for another episode of The Baptist Bias.
Looks like I'm going to have to be doing the show alone again.
I was hoping that we would- wait, Ben?
Is this the real Ben?
How's it going?
What happened to the real Ben?
Let's just say that I took care of it, just like I did with Todd Ferguson.
Oh, you're going to have to tell me more about that later.
Well, I don't know what to do about a Benlog, I mean, I didn't record anything.
Don't worry.
You don't have to worry about it.
I already recorded one earlier today.
All right.
Check it out.
Good late time period, humans and persons.
Eberhard Nestle and Kurt Allen have finally given us an exact Bible in the 33rd edition
of their Nestle Allen Greek New Testament sponsored by the Masonic Lodge.
It's estimated that 666 new Bible versions will be published in the near future based
on this updated Greek text.
So we can finally realize what the Bible actually says.
Some very un-good critics have asserted that gender neutralizing Bibles are satanic.
But we assure you that there's really only one reason to constantly change the Bible.
To make money.
To make lots of money.
Scholars agree we may have finally reached the eye of the pyramid with a newly discovered
manuscript in an ancient dumpster with hieroglyphics saying, "Burn all this useless trash."
In fact, all true scientists agree that this first century, give or take a few thousand
years, discovery will give us the most completely accurate version of the Bible that we've
ever been able to reconstruct.
Yet scholars are most excited about the never before seen document included in the discovery
called the Gospel of Lucifer.
This completely gender-sanitized and gender-neutral finding will ultimately end all the misogynistic
corruptions found in previous texts.
For example, no more "he," we've realized that in fact we should use the word "persons"
instead.
Oh man, we've decided to change to the more inclusive "human" in Micah chapter 6, and
in Romans chapter 2 we've changed it to "foolish person."
The "sin" offering sounds a little bit too judgmental, and so it's been changed to the
"purification" offering.
"Demoniacs" has been updated to "people possessed by demons."
And more importantly, "Song of Solomon" in the King James Version has been changed from
"I am black" to "I'm a victim of the white supremacist, fascist, oppressive, patriarchal
communist state."
See, persons who don't like these changes in the Bible also mock other politically
corrected phrases that have been adopted recently by CNN and MSNBC, such as "fat," which we
all know is no longer acceptable, and that has been changed over to "important person
of size," a.k.a. P.O.S. "Drunkard," well, that's hateful.
We've changed that one to "adult beverage enjoyer."
And the word "whore" is no longer acceptable.
We now use the phrase "vice president."
Hillary Clinton accusers are now described as "persons who don't breathe well."
Ungood persons may scoff at these changes and mock these changes because they're bigots.
And the reality is, if you're still stuck on archaic words like "he," "she," or "man,"
then it's probably true that you have the Baptist bias.
Thanks so much for joining us for the pregame show of "The Baptist Bias."
We're doing the Preserved Bible premiere this evening, 9 p.m., Texas time, which of course
is the only time that matters for those laypeople at Central Time.
And we've got our co-host, Ben the Baptist, want to say hello to everybody.
How's it going, everyone?
It's great to be here.
I'm very excited about the podcast tonight.
It's not every day that a new documentary comes out.
It's not every day that a new documentary comes out about this subject matter, about
the preservation of Scripture, about the King James Bible and how it fits into that
doctrine of providential preservation.
I'm pumped up.
I'm ready to go.
I cannot wait for the worldwide premiere coming up in just under an hour at 9 p.m. as Pastor
Shelley eloquently said, Texas time, otherwise known as Central Time.
So it's great to be here.
It's great to be back on the podcast and I'm looking forward to the next hour previewing
this film.
Well, I don't know how we're going to update for the next version when we have to talk
about the Gospel of Lucifer and some of these modern changes are going.
I mean, at what point would the modern textual critics not use a text in the Bible?
Well, I think that they would certainly update anything.
I mean, James White has already admitted that and you will see that in our film on the Preserved
Bible in that film.
We prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt that critical text proponents would update any
verse in the scriptures.
And you know, it's funny when we record something like the Benelog and, you know, there's obviously
some satire there, but in the next decade, who knows, maybe even sooner than that, it
might not be satire.
I mean, it's already happening where they're using gender-neutral language in these false
Bibles.
I believe it was the NIV 2011 edition that did that.
And so you have these modern Bibles that are already trying to use politically correct
terminology.
And in the future, because that catalog was recorded sometime in the future, it was supposed
to be a parody of something that happens in the future.
They also used the term white supremacist because of the fact that that one is a little
bit less offensive and white supremacist has been deemed an offensive term a hundred years
from now.
So I just wanted to point that out.
But it's great to see everyone in the chat room and Pastor Shelley, I appreciate the
opportunity to be sitting here and to be back on the air after getting kidnapped by ninjas
last week.
Jewish ninjas.
Well, you got to watch out for the Jewish ninjas.
Also, we have a lot of people watching the show this evening.
If you have any questions, we'll be taking some questions.
Also, we have our hotline where you can call in and we might be taking some callers.
So if you're interested in calling in and sharing with us your feelings about the movie
or the show, we'd love to be taking that.
We'll put the number up there.
I believe it's, is it 321-BABDIST?
Sounds right.
We'll be putting that up on the screen and you can make a call if you'd like to.
Also I kind of just thought maybe we could take a second to just share your thought process
about the filmmaking that we did here.
Obviously it was a lot of work, took approximately two years.
We spent a lot of time with the filming, the editing.
Tell us, what are some of your thoughts about the ups and downs of making this film?
What did you enjoy?
What was kind of difficult?
Well, what I enjoyed the most about is just the subject matter.
And through the process of doing research, through the process of watching hours and
hours of content related to this topic, personally, I learned so much.
And I feel like it's night and day compared to where I was at before getting involved
in this project to where I'm at right now.
It is really night and day.
And that's really what I've enjoyed the most is learning all of the new information, the
new talking points that I've been able to derive from a lot of the research we've done
about this film.
I also really enjoyed the interviews that I had the chance to be a part of.
We went and we spoke together, Pastor Shelley and I, we went and traveled and met Dr. Phil
Stringer and we interviewed him.
And to sit in on that interview and to just absorb all of that information was great.
Pastor Steven Anderson, sitting in on that interview as well and listening to him talk
about something that he knows so much about, obviously he's an expert, was a lot of fun.
So for me, the research, the interviews, getting a chance to listen to the great preaching
on this topic as well has been my favorite part about it and I will say this, you know,
I'm so much more passionate about this subject today than I was before we started working
on this project.
And I always cared, don't get me wrong, but I feel like I'm just a lot more passionate
about it now.
My wife will tell you, I mean, I've been talking about this nonstop for the last like
10, 11, you know, year, really for the last year and so I've really enjoyed that aspect
of it.
I think what's been difficult is just the production, you know, trying to make it look
as professional as possible.
Neither one of us are necessarily pros in that area.
So we did the best we can, I think with the graphics, some of the color grading, I would
say that aspect of it was most difficult.
But overall, I'm so thankful to have been given the opportunity to contribute in the
capacity that I did for the Preserved Bible.
I wouldn't take anything back, I'd love to, I'd do it all over again if I could.
I loved every second of it, and I really appreciated the chance to be a part of this.
I've benefited personally, but more important than that, just to get the chance to put a
film like this out there, I don't know that there's a more important topic.
Because if you have the wrong Bible, you have the wrong doctrines associated with that false
Bible.
We need to get people on the King James Bible.
It's the only way to save this country.
And so to be a part of a process to help enlighten people about this and get them on the right
Bible and help them understand what the doctrine of providential preservation really is and
how to apply it in 2023, it's an opportunity that I was never ever ever going to reject.
I'm going to take that every time.
So thank you for the chance to be a part of this.
And I just hope that those watching at home enjoy the movie.
Well, I definitely understand, you know, the difficulty of making a high quality production.
I guess that's why I get what I pay for.
But you know, of course, I agree with you working on the film really helped even myself
learn a lot.
And we had some really great interviews and we met some really great people.
I even have with me actually a couple books here and I felt like maybe beneficial on the
pregame show to introduce a few of the characters that are actually in the film.
Some people really don't have any idea who these people are.
But one of the people that we had included in our film was Dr. Humberto Gomez.
And he actually helped translate the RVG 2010.
And so I have a copy here.
This is actually a Bible that we helped publish in the sense that we made physical reproductions
of it.
Dr. Gomez gave us permission to actually make physical Bibles.
And we used his RVG 2010 to make New Testaments as a handout when we go out soul winning,
preaching the gospel.
And they came out really, really nice.
We had a publisher that we worked with that helped create this.
And me and brother Oz actually worked on getting all of the font and everything set.
And it's definitely a lot of work even after you have the book or the Bible, whatever it
is to end up printing these things.
But we have free copies that we give out at our church.
And you know, it's great to have him in the film, get an interview.
And we're going to actually be releasing full interviews from Dr. Gomez and some of
these other people.
So you know, you got to hear the whole interview with Dr. Gomez.
What did you or some of your thoughts as far as that interview specifically?
Well, what I really liked about it is, first of all, the fact that he has such reverence
for the received text.
And something he brought up in that interview is the fact that he appealed to the received
text of scripture in order to come up with the RVG 2010.
It wasn't like that he didn't just translate directly from the King James.
Obviously, they use the King James, but he appealed to the received text to the Greek
in the Hebrew to the original languages to come up with that.
And I thought that his testimony of salvation as well getting saved by, as he calls it,
you know, a King James Bible believer and just how much respect and love and reverence
he has for the Word of God and how disappointed he is to see those who would translate other
Spanish Bibles while utilizing the critical text, while utilizing the Greek that is based
on corrupted manuscripts of the Alexandrian tradition.
So it's nice to see somebody who loves the Word of God, who has a passion for the Word
of God, who has a passion for soul winning, who's doctrinally sound and who gave the Spanish
people an excellent version of the Bible.
Now I don't speak the language, but everybody who has read it has told me, Pastor Shelley,
that it really is truly an excellent translation of the Word of God.
Well, what's interesting about that situation for a lot of Spanish speakers is there's a
lot of Spanish churches in Texas, in Mexico, in these areas that are King James only in
the sense that that's the only English version that they will use.
They believe that it's the preserved inspired words of God, yet they will often use what's
called like an RVG, or I'm sorry, not RVG, but an RV 1960, so it's a Reina Valera 1960
version.
The problem is the 1960 actually makes a lot of variations in the text that are similar
to modern Bibles like an NIV or the ESV, and so that's just a very inconsistent theology
when you're using the quote unquote NIV in Spanish and you claim to believe in King James
only for the English.
That's kind of an interesting dichotomy, and so of course Dr. Gomez wanting to purify
the Spanish Bible as well, worked with several different people to end up producing the RVG
2010.
Another individual that we had got an interview with was Dr. Donald L. Brake, and he's written
a lot of books.
I only have one of them with me.
He actually gave me another book that I don't have with me, but he's written several, and
this one's called The Visual History of the King James Bible.
Now, Dr. Donald L. Brake is a historian.
He's also a rare Bible collector.
He has several rare Bibles at the Dunham Bible Museum, which is located in what used to be
called Houston Baptist University in Houston.
It's not called, I think, Houston Christian University, but it's a free museum.
You can go in there and visit, and they have a lot of different cool exhibits.
We actually took a trip there, and talking with Dr. Brake was a great interview.
He's very knowledgeable.
In fact, our interview, he's just talking about so much history just off the top of
his head with so much accuracy.
You can tell that he truly understands the subject matter.
He has a lot of reverence for the King James Bible, and he's written a lot about the King
James Bible.
I really like this particular book.
I've read several portions of it.
He even has some comparison charts in here where he compares the Texas Receptus and the
King James Bible with modern versions, and it's definitely very different.
So I'm interested, how did you even find Dr. Break?
Well, I must admit it was my lovely wife.
Thank you, sweetheart.
She and the Plant brothers are going to love this.
That's an inside thing there.
They claim that my wife just does everything behind the scenes that I then out in public
talk about.
But anyway, she emailed me one day with a link to one of Donald Break's blog posts,
and I clicked on it, and I read it, and I just saw the respect.
You brought it up.
The respect that he had for the King James.
But in addition to that, his knowledge of history and everything that went into getting
us the Bible in the modern era, he had a great amount of respect for the manuscripts that
fall under the Byzantine family.
And so I figured this would be a good interview for us.
I thought that the history section of our film needed a little bit of rocket fuel.
And I think you could say that Donald Brake added that.
And as you watch the film, you'll see he carries portions of the movie and does a great
job explaining.
In particular, I really liked what he added to the section of our film talking about John
Wycliffe and everything that Wycliffe went through and what Wycliffe believed about
Bibliology and his view, which was in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church, I don't want
to spoil too much, you know, there's just so much there.
And Donald Brake was able to give us his perspective on that.
He also gave us a great perspective on Tyndale, the making of the King James as well, some
of the translators, Lancelot Andrews, he gave us background information on.
So yeah, I mean, I really enjoyed not only his interview, but also what he added to our
documentary and thank you to my lovely wife for sending me information on him.
Yeah.
And I guess your wife also helped us with another gentleman that's in the film.
She might've edited the whole film.
I mean, who knows?
I'm just kidding.
Do you even have any personal opinions?
Yeah, I don't.
Okay.
Well, does she write the sermons?
She writes everything.
Okay.
That's good.
Well, we had another interview with a man named Dr. Phil Stringer and he is a pastor
author evangelist.
He's written books as well.
He's an author of this book called the Unbroken Bible and you know, what's interesting is
this is pretty similar to our film as far as concept and he's written about the preservation
of God's word and Dr. Stringer is not someone that grew up as a fundamental Baptist believing
that the King James Bible is the only preserved Bible.
He actually has a history where at one point he was a textual critic and he did not believe
in the King James only position and he ended up studying it out for himself after having
gone to Bible college and realized that the King James Bible is the preserve word of God.
And so that's in my mind, a great testimony to hear someone being fed all the lies of
college and the scholars and the textual critic position.
And then when actually researching it, realizing, wow, this is just a bunch of fluff.
And that's what we hope with this film.
We hope that people will research, they'll study, they'll try to actually pay attention
to the arguments, because I think once you start slowly paying attention to the, or once
you start paying attention to the arguments, you're going to slowly start realizing, wow,
there's not really any weight to the other side's arguments.
Now have you, you've read some of this book?
Is that correct?
I've read the whole thing.
I thought it was an excellent book.
I agreed with a vast majority of it.
I think Dr. Stringer is extremely knowledgeable on this subject.
You pretty much agree and he has some excellent talking points that he brings forward in the
film.
You'll notice it.
A lot of people actually I've spoken to about this subject knew about Dr. Stringer before
I did and they had been a fan of his for a while and a bunch of people that I've spoken
to, Pastor Shelley, are very excited to see his contributions to this film.
He is proof that people can change their mind on this issue.
I've met many who have, even those who consider themselves to be authorities on the scriptures
or maybe they've already been ordained or they've been preaching for a long time.
They already know a lot about the Bible.
They can change as well.
It's possible, which I think further underscores the importance of our documentary because
I think it is very possible that someone, somewhere, somehow will watch the film and
maybe have a change of heart much like Dr. Stringer did.
Look at him now producing books like the Unbroken Bible, which is a really cool title.
Yeah, he even gave me another book called Evangelism Made Simple and I've kind of read
through some of this as well.
It's tips and suggestions for soul winning and how to address different conversations
such as talking with a Muslim or a Jehovah's Witness or just different kind of situations
you may find yourself in without soul winning.
And it's great to find other men that are zealous for the King James Bible, zealous
for soul winning and evangelism.
And so Dr. Stringer was a great guy, it was really fun to talk with him and his interview
was really good.
I look forward to releasing the full interview with him as well.
And really with this film project, we have a lot of content that did not make the final
cut.
I think that Ben's Deleted Scenes is a longer movie than the actual movie itself.
He's not exaggerating folks.
That's likely true.
So hopefully we can release, you know, after a few weeks, we'll start releasing a lot
of this content kind of on a regular basis.
And so, you know, if this film, you really enjoyed it, we kind of wanted more.
Just stay tuned, subscribe to the channel, and we're going to definitely be releasing
a lot more information, interviews, the deleted scenes.
I'm going to be making some clips talking about this subject.
And you know, the film, while it's a very, in my opinion, complete film, it makes a sound
argument.
There is a lot to why we use the King James Bible.
There's a lot to understanding where the Bible comes from.
And for those that are very interested, we want to supply more information and more documentation.
But at the end of the day, you know, if you've seen that they're different, you understand
the argument of doctrine of preservation, that should be enough for you to decide, you
know, King James Bible is my Bible.
There was a lady at Steadfast, Oklahoma City, and I apologize, I don't know her name.
Ms. Rhea.
Ms. Rhea walked out of the theater and essentially said, "If you could see that whole thing
and still not change your mind, I don't know that anything's going to help you."
And I just loved that.
That was like one of my favorite reviews.
Yeah, it was a great review.
Because it's true.
Of course.
I mean, at the end of the day, you can take a horse to the lake and you can put his mouth
next to the water, but you can't force him to drink.
Can't force him to drink.
And so of course, we can drag people to the King James Bible and show them why it's the
best Bible.
But at the end of the day, you can't force someone to believe the truth.
But I do believe there's a lot of people out there that are just a little bit ignorant.
They don't have much knowledge.
No one's taught them anything.
No one showed them what the differences are.
And so they have an opportunity here to change.
I see a comment in here, they were saying Dr. Stringer was teaching at Mickey Carter
School in Haines City and that's where some other pastors, Pastor Patrick Boyle and Pastor
Joe Major had attended.
And when I actually talked with Dr. Stringer in the film, he brought that up.
And you know, you want to listen to the whole interview, but he definitely doesn't agree
with that group anymore as far as the King James Bible is concerned.
He has a different view than them.
And in my mind, he has the right view when it comes to the Bible.
And so, you know, it's kind of a testimony that even being around people that have a
different viewpoint, he, you know, he can stand on what the truth of the Word of God
is.
And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, Dr. Stringer wants to maintain a healthy
relationship with anybody and wants to be friends with people.
But he told me that people have separated company from him for simply taking, you know,
a strong stand on the King James Bible and believing that it's the Preserver of God and
also even, you know, accepting the Texas Receptus and the preceding Bibles.
And, you know, you can watch the film for yourself, but for the most part, I agreed
with pretty much everything that Dr. Stringer had said in his interview.
And so I hope people will give him a chance as far as, you know, his perspective on King
James-onlyism.
For sure.
Yeah, like I said, I have a great respect for Dr. Stringer, and I think he has an authority
on the subject.
He knows a lot about it.
And I wanted to say, just to add to the discussion, I know we do have a caller, Pastor Shelley,
in the queue.
Just wanted to put that on your radar.
But I will say this.
When it comes to the film, there are two goals that I hope can be achieved with this documentary.
Just two.
The first one is this.
Educate.
I hope that people who watch this, even if they are already on our side, walk out of
— well, the theater showings have already happened — but after the film is over, that
they can say, "I learned something."
And if that's the case, then praise God.
Here's the second goal that I have for this film that I hope can be achieved.
Inspire.
I hope people are both educated and inspired by this film.
I hope that they both learn something and feel inspired to, as a direct result of the
movie, pick up their King James Bible, dust it off their shelf and read it.
That's the goal right here, is that people get inspired to read their Bible and get plugged
in and serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
Educate and inspire.
That's what I hope we can achieve with The Preserved Bible.
One thing I want to talk about before we get too far in here, and I haven't had a chance,
we are going to be doing a competition for the film.
We'll take a call or after I explain this, but we are doing a competition in the film.
There's two ways to win and we're going to actually take the top 10 winners in both categories.
In the film, we have one callback and a callback is essentially reference to a previous film
project that we have.
If you can put the time stamp and what film the callback is to and email it to steadfastbaptistkjv,
you are going to win a prize.
The prize is going to be in part, we are going to be making some new shirts.
We are going to make a new Sodomite Deception shirt and we are going to be making a new
Preserved Bible t-shirt.
If you can get the callback, we will get you a new shirt and it is going to be for the
top 10 people.
Even if someone has already got this, the first 10.
I know some people out there think they already know this, but you have to give me the exact
time stamp and you have to give me the name of the callback film.
If you can email that to us, whoever is the top 10, we're going to send you a free shirt
along with another prize.
The second part of the competition is there's an Easter egg.
Now, what an Easter egg is, it's kind of an allusion to something that's going to happen
in the future.
We hope to make more documentary films.
There is going to be other projects that we're going to work on, and so we put a very clear
Easter egg in the film in reference to a future work.
And so again, if you can give us the time stamp and exactly what the Easter egg is in
reference to, the first 10 people on that are going to also get a shirt.
Now I will say this, you can't win both shirts though.
So if you got to pick which one you want to email us in, but essentially we should have
20 winners if everybody wants to participate in this competition.
So the first 10 people that are going to email us the time stamp and the reference to the
call back will win a prize and the other first 10 people that can give us, someone's going
to be creating a new email account I feel like.
Oh I am sure.
And of course if you want to put your name and address in there, we'll be sending these
things out.
So we just wanted to make it a little bit fun, pay attention to the film.
There's a lot of cool stuff in there, but this is a friendly little competition we want
to put in there.
And so we'll be putting, you know, that information out.
This is kind of your opportunity, of course, watching The Baptist Bias, you get all the
information first.
So thanks so much for tuning in, we've got 120 people on the live stream and make sure
when we wrap up, we're going to wrap up a few minutes early, click on over and watch
The Preserved Bible, put some comments in there, share the film.
We want to really…
And pay attention.
Yeah, of course.
You have to pay, you got to pay attention to this film.
You can't just kind of be half in, half out.
Pay attention.
Now, let's go ahead to our caller.
Someone can give me who our caller is.
It's Brother Sean.
We can get him patched through.
Yeah, Brother Sean.
We can hear what he has to say.
Some of his research made it into the documentary, in fact.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
Do you have him in yet, producer?
Can you hear me?
Let's turn the dead air until he's in.
Okay.
He's on.
All right.
Can you hear me?
Can you hear Brother Sean?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
Brother Sean, go ahead, speak.
You're on live.
All right.
Hey.
Going once, going twice.
I'm right here.
Hey, Sean.
How's it going?
Oh, hey.
Going great.
Saw the film on Saturday, and it was absolutely fantastic.
That's great.
Now, we don't want to spoil anything for our audience out here, but did you get to see
it in theaters?
Yes.
Yeah, I got to see it in the theater in Washington.
Well, Brother Sean, I remember we talked a lot at the Red Hot Preaching Conference
about this subject, and I was really excited because you had such zeal for this topic,
and I like talk to people who have a lot of zeal, and so that was cool, but you had sent
me some research without spoiling it.
Did you notice that it made it in?
I did.
I did notice that it made it in, and you know, I've done a lot of research on this.
I've preached about it at church, Pastor Thompson's been really supportive of preaching about it,
and I've done a lot of research.
I actually, Dr. Stringer saw some videos that he did earlier, and yeah, there's so
much information.
There's so much out there that proves that, you know, I mean, obviously we just trust
the Bible, we trust that God has preserved His Word, but there is so much evidence to
show beyond just what the Bible says that this is the Word of God, it is preserved.
And it's just amazing to see that because, you know, I believe it through faith, but
then when I actually look at the record and I look at the evidence, it all lines up with
Scripture. And it's just absolutely incredible to see that. And I've been able to, you know,
to tell you the truth, the whole reason why I even got into the new IFV was because this
whole Bible issue. I was really confused because I'd see all these different versions. And
then I had someone tell me once, "Hey, you need to get a real Bible. You need to throw
that NIV in the trash." And that led me into this whole, "Is there one Bible in the English
language for us?" And the evidence, overwhelmingly, was the King James Bible.
Some of the quotes and some of the research you had given us, I ended up looking up and
researching, trying to get the source. And there was a letter that King James had written
to his son, I think it's called the Basilicon Doron. Is that something that you've actually
read?
Yes. Yeah, I've actually read it. And I actually preached a sermon about it. But it's just
this amazing book. I mean, think about this, think about it. If someone came to you and
said, "Hey, Pastor Shelley, I want you to write a book about how your son should act."
And that's what he did. He wrote a book, I think it's split up into three parts. It's
like a king's duty to his people, a king's duty to God, and a king's duty to his country.
And it's just very well thought out and it's just soaked with Bible. And just every turn
he's just constantly quoting scripture. And it was incredible to see that. And I really
do believe that, I mean, you go back to Deuteronomy 17 where it talks about the rules for kings.
If you look at all those rules that were in the rules for kings and you compare that to
King James, he really tried to keep all those rules. And I actually, to tell you the truth,
I can't find another monarch that did that besides Jesus Christ. I mean, you know.
Well, that letter definitely gives a lot of insight to his affection for the King James
Bible and specifically even just Christianity, which it's funny to me because I had preached
about a guy Sunday night and his name was like Matt McMillan. And he said, "There's
a rumor out there that King James wasn't even a Christian." And I'm just like, this guy
has done zero research to say such a stupid comment or the idea that King James is somehow
not even a Christian is just such a bizarre statement for someone to make. And I think
anybody that's done any level of research would realize, you know, the absurdity of
such a claim. I feel like someone like you could appreciate how foolish of an idea that
could be.
Yeah. And, and, you know, just, just to give a little context into the Silicon door and,
you know, uh, Cambridge university has the original handwritten manuscript that he wrote
and it's on their website. They actually have pictures of it because I kind of thought maybe
in the back of my mind, maybe King James just had some bishops putting this together for
him or something, but then I found out that no, they actually have it in his handwriting.
And, and I was, and I, it's, let me tell you, it's hard to read because it's in cursive
and there's a lot of the, just the way they spoke was, was different. But, um, to see
him like write stuff out and then scratch out entire passages, you could tell that he
was really thinking about it. And, and, um, it's just, it, it's, it's a level of, of
thought about the Bible and, and about what God expected from him that, that you just
don't see these days. And it's really, it's really made me think about how I'm gonna raise
my own children.
Yeah. It really challenged me to think like, wow, maybe I should write a book or a letter
to my children about how to behave. Now, one thing I wanted to ask you, obviously you're
someone that studied the topic more than others. You have a lot of information and knowledge,
but as far as the film is concerned, did you still feel like maybe there were some things
you learned or was there anything that was kind of new to you on the subject matter?
Yeah, totally. There were several things that I thought were stuff that I really hadn't
looked into that much that really, I don't know, I don't want to spoil anything.
Sure.
But I really like the narrative. It was very engaging. And I mean, to tell you the truth,
even when some of the stuff came on that I wrote out, at first I was like, "Oh no, is
this going to be too, I don't know, too dense on information? Are people going to get disinterested?"
But then I was really pleasantly surprised to say that no, it's not. It blows really
well. Everyone I talked to was like, they got it, they got the information that was
there. And it's just, it's one of those things that, you know, like I geek out about it.
And some people are like, "Okay, that's too much information." And I get that. But you
know, I'm so excited about it. I want people to hear about it. But I really think the documentary
is a great balance of here's a lot of evidence, but also I love the way you guys put in a lot of
Bible. And I've seen quite a few people try and argue the King James position. But then there's
so little scripture that it's like, what's the point, man? If you're just going to try and prove
it through secular means, then I mean, because, you know, God wants us to... I mean, that's... I
mean, faith is what God wants. He wants us... you know, how can we please God without faith?
And that's how I approached this, was that I knew the King James Bible was inerrant. I knew that it
was perfect. And so when I started investigating these various aspects of it, I thought I just...
all it was doing was confirming what I already knew. And that was it. It's such an amazing
book. And every day when I open my Bible and I read it, it's just like, you know, this is God
speaking to me. And I don't have to worry about whether it's been translated correctly. I don't
have to worry about whether it's been preserved correctly. I don't have to worry about any of
that because God is going to preserve it. He promised that He would preserve it. He promised
that He would make it available. And it's available to me right there. And it's such an
incredible feeling to know that the Creator of the universe loves me so much that He's just like,
"Here is my inerrant word that is speaking directly to you." And it's an awesome feeling.
Especially what Brother Ben was saying, the whole point of this documentary is for people to just
dust off the Bible and read it. I mean, right now at our church, we're going through the
one-month New Testament Bible challenge, and we're just finishing up reading the New Testament
in a month. And man, reading the New Testament in a month, it gives you a perspective on what
was going on with Jesus, reading the Gospels. I think I read the four Gospels in like two or
three days, and it makes it come alive. And that's something I encourage people to do,
is just read your Bible. I mean, you've got God's Word right there. There are so many
countries around the world where they don't have good translations in their own language,
and we do, and we need to take advantage of that.
You brought up reading your King James and just thinking to yourself, "These are the very words
of God," and you compare that to critical text proponents who are excavating, who are using
archaeology, who are trying through any means possible to discover what the original autographs
said. They're trying to reconstruct the text to figure out what the original manuscript said.
And for us, it's as easy as picking this up and reading it. Here you go, here's what the original
manuscript said. I have it right here. It's called the King James Bible. You can read it from Genesis
to Revelation, and you'll know what the original manuscript said. And if you want to know what it
said in Greek, pick up an 1894 Scrivener. You want to know what it said in Hebrew? Pick up the
Masoretic text from Daniel Bomberg. I mean, it's like these people are on this never-ending mission
to find the Word of God, and those who adhere to the Received Text position, who believe in
King James-onlyism, for us, we have it. We have God's Word, and what a special feeling that is
that really has been rejected by these Bible correctors who are still excavating and trying
to find what they believe is missing when it's really not. It's been preserved right here for
you, and we proved the doctrine of preservation up one side and down the other in this film.
You brought up the Scripture. There is so much Scripture on that topic in our documentary.
Well, and one other thing that I thought was interesting, there was a reviewer that said
this too, but he said, "Which one of these modern Bible translators would be willing to die for
their translation?" You know, when is James White going to be willing to die for any version of the
Bible or the NIV editors, would they be willing to die for the NIV? Whereas, you know, I think the
martyr aspect of the King James Bible and the preceding Bibles is a very interesting point.
Whereas, you have the modern Bibles, if they're really the Word of God, all this martyrdom and
all this work and effort that happened throughout history is really kind of nullified. It's only
vain and pointless. So, it's like the people that died for the Bible died for the wrong ones,
and then the right one, no one's willing to die for it. It just kind of is a strange viewpoint.
Yeah, the wrong ones that are supposedly the right ones aren't being used. I don't want to
spoil the movie, but I will say this, Pastor Shelley, our Bible was written with the blood
of William Tyndale in the New Testament in the sense that he gave his life to get the refining
process started providentially with the English translation of Scripture, and then you go 100
years into the future and you have the King James Bible, but it's largely based on, and we talk
about it in our movie, just how important it was, William Tyndale and how much of his work
is still present in our Bible today. Hey, why don't you give us one more plug, brother Sean,
for the film or any last thoughts real quick? Yeah, I just, I love the way it was so informative
and like I said, it was interesting from start to finish. At no point in the film was I like,
oh man, you know, this is getting boring or anything. It's just, yeah, I mean like when it
ended, I'm like, oh, that's it. I didn't even feel a passage of time there. Because I mean,
you're just interested from beginning to end. It's edited really well. I'm kind of a snob when it
comes to like editing and filming and stuff. And I really like the way it was done. The music is
fantastic. You know, this is something that you can really like give to someone who maybe doesn't
know a lot about this issue. And you can say, Hey, here's this documentary. And it clears this up.
And, and it's not going to be like something that they watched in high school. That's real boring.
It's going to be like, you know, they're watching on the Discovery Channel or the History Channel
or something like that, something they're going to be that they're just going to be like, Wow,
this is awesome. And then when they get to the end, they're just going to know for sure for a fact
that the King James Bible is God's word in English language. Well, amen. Great, great review. I
really appreciate you calling in. Thanks so much for giving us a great and positive review of the
film and even helping with some of the filming process and editing process, you know, giving us
some some information that we could use. And so, you know, one thing I did want to play was that
clip you had of Jack Hiles. And we have an often argument against the King James Bible is, oh,
it's just too hard, or you can't really understand it. It's too difficult to understand. Archaic.
It's yeah, all these archaic words. But it's funny to me, because, you know, in the film,
we put a lot of King James Bible in there, and no one ever tells me like, oh, one of those verses
in there I didn't understand. They always seem to understand all the verses we show and use.
It's just, it's kind of a sad argument, or a pathetic argument in a lot of cases. But we have
an older clip of a preacher, Pastor Jack Hiles, and he was a really famous preacher. He had a
large church in Hammond, Indiana, but he's going to explain to us his viewpoint on how hard the
King James Bible is. "Today, I decided to find out how hard it was to read. So I just opened it
where it would, and I closed my eyes and put my finger down. And let me show you what I found.
The first one I opened to said, 'And as he lay and slept under a juniper tree, behold, an angel
touched him, and said to him, 'Arise, and eat.' Wonder what that means? I could cheat that for you.
As he, that's opposite of she, means you ain't standing up. And slept, that means you ain't awake.
Under, that means he wasn't on top of it or even with it. A juniper tree, that's something
grows out of the ground, got a trunk and branches and leaves on it. An exegete, and brothers just
as near exegete as all these dried up professors give you in our colleges these days. And they
just keep on exegeting while I'm at it. Behold, that means, looky there, that tells you when it
was. That means it's just one. Angel, that's something's got blonde hair and floats around
with with a magic wand all the time. Means that you made contact, you rubbed his hand with some
goo. Means he's talking. Under him, that means he's talking to somebody else that wasn't a she or an
it. As that means get up and eat. And the crazed fool doesn't know what that means, ought not to
understand the Bible. So I just opened it to another place. Let's go over here, the tough one,
the Chronicles. And I just pointed like that. Here's what it came to. And the Lord, that fellow
lives up there. A peer, that means somebody's seen him. To Solomon, that was a king. A knight,
that means it was dark. And said, that means he's talking. Under him, that means he's talking to a
he, not a she, or an it. I have heard, that's what you do with your ears when somebody's talking.
I mean, this Bible sure is hard to understand, didn't it? I just pointed it out just like that.
And here's what I got. While he was yet speaking, there came also another. I need the NIV, folks.
Roll me a Moffat's translation. Give me an Amplified. I am lost in the depth of this book.
You sorry scoundrel, you lazy rascals. Spend all your time giving us new Bibles.
Why don't you shut up that, uh, get your old King James Bible and shut up all that translation
you're doing and get you a bunch of prospect cards and go soul winning.
That was, that was a great clip. That was awesome.
But I was a little triggered by all the he and the she. I mean, I don't know
if he actually realizes that was a mistranslation. It should have been humans and persons.
That's right. And if you disagree, you are a threat to our democracy.
Uh, Pastor Hiles is so entertaining. I feel like if you went to a sermon of his,
it would be almost unfair. It's so entertaining. It would almost feel like you weren't even
at church or something. It's so good. That's why he ran thousands.
Yeah, of course. He changed the whole country. I mean, so many men were sent out of that church,
independent of final Baptist. And it's kind of funny that we have Pastor Steven Anderson,
who went to Hiles Anderson College, studied under that. He's listened to a lot of
Pastor Hiles sermons and all of these churches that were started from Hiles Anderson College
in that era. It's like they don't like Pastor Anderson, but Pastor Anderson has listened to
so much Jack Howell's preaching and preaches a lot like him. It's funny. It's like they don't like
Pastor Anderson, even though he's basically very similar to and preaches a lot like the person
they supposedly look up to and kind of led them out and sent them out. It kind of makes me think
of John when he talks about how the church will no longer receive him. It's like a diatrophies there
who love at the preeminence, but it's a kind of a sad, a sad state of affairs. But of course,
you know, we, we don't have animosity towards the old IFB. It's usually the other way around.
I love them.
And I'm hoping with our film about the preserved Bible, maybe we can make some common ground. We
can make some more friends and some more people can see that we're not just these awful, horrible,
bad people, but rather we're just truly convicted fundamental Baptists that love the Bible
and want other people to make the same change to the King James Bible.
And this is an area of common ground for a lot of us independent fundamental Baptists.
And we should be able to come together on this. Yeah, we might disagree on some
eschatology or whatever. There may be some doctrines where we might not see eye to eye,
but when it comes to the doctrine of the Bible, when it comes to the doctrine of
providential preservation, this is something that we should be able to come together on.
And that's why I give credit to somebody like a Dr. Phil Stringer for doing the interview with
us and contributing to our film and recognizing that we see eye to eye on this crucial issue.
And we can together try to take down the critical text proponents who are doing everything within
their power to stymie the work of God, to confuse people on what the Bible is, and to confuse people
on what God said. Jack Hiles, Pastor Jack Hiles said it best in that clip. The King James, one of
the attacks against it is that it's too difficult. It's too hard. You can't understand it. Bologna,
that's garbage. And he disproves that. Now there are certain passages that are difficult,
but that's because the Bible itself contains both the milk and the meat. There are going to be
certain parables that are harder to understand. There are going to be certain chapters, Daniel
chapter 11 comes to mind that are difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it's the
king. It's like an exclusive issue with the King James. That's the Bible. That's the word of God,
folks. You have the milk and you have the meat. Well, again, if the Bible as just describes
is Jesus Christ in the beginning was the word and the word is with God and the word was God,
we understand that Jesus Christ is the word of God. Why would I ever assume that I'm going to
understand all of it instantly? There has to be some level of difficulty. If this is truly the
word of God, you know, given down from man or given from God to man, then there's going to be
a level of difficulty. Even with any language as well, you're going to have to learn new words.
And it is silly because these modern versions have all kinds of bizarre words and difficult
passages in them as well. And so it's just a fool's errand to claim, "Oh, I need a picture book,"
or whatever it is. You know, you're never going to cater to the lazy. You're never going to cater
to those who are so simple-minded that they choose not to understand the Bible. And so,
of course, this film itself is not going to cater to them. It's actually going to use words and
speak in a way where you have to actually pay attention and listen. It's not a cartoon, folks.
Yeah. And what's wrong with trying to uphold an English language that doesn't sound like it's
coming from the mind of a complete idiot? Our language continues to get dumbed down. Texts
speak and the street talk and all the rest of it. And I think, you know, why don't we be a force
for change in that area and say, no, we're going to preserve the right way to talk, right? We're
going to preserve the right way to speak. And any hobby that you come up with, football, certainly
golf. You talked about tea time last week. I had no idea what that meant. But my point is any hobby
that you want to be interested in, that you have an interest in, is going to come with terminology
that you have to learn. Football, golf, hockey, whatever sport, whatever hobby, you have to learn
new words. Well, guess what? With regard to the word of God, the same rule applies. You're going
to have to probably learn some new terms, but there's no harm in that. Absolutely. And, you know,
we're getting down to the last few minutes here. Um, it's five minutes, it's less than five minutes
and the film is going to start premiering and we're going to be cutting off just a few minutes
before that. So we're, we're pretty getting pretty close to wrapping up. One last reminder,
we have a competition. If you can spot our callback, email us immediately the timestamp
along with that callback. First 10 are going to receive a prize. In addition to this, the first
10 that can find our Easter egg timestamp and what the Easter egg is in reference to for a future
project that we're doing is going to also receive a prize. We're going to be sending out new t-shirts
that we'll be making to them. So it's going to be fun. Pay attention to the film. Please share,
like, subscribe. And even if you want more, stick around, you know, check our channel.
We're going to be releasing a lot more information. And I really appreciate all those that have
supported our church, supported Pure Words Baptist Church, supported Step Fast Baptist Church,
and supported us in able to make this film. You know, if it wasn't for our church, it wasn't for
those that are generously donating to us online. And even those that just donated over their time,
efforts and energies, we wouldn't be able to make a film like this. And so it's not a one-man show.
A lot of people helped me with the film. A lot of people that probably aren't even get recognition.
Have helped me on the film. And I have to say thank you to giving us this opportunity.
I feel very privileged to be able to make a film like this and be able to share this.
It's an important topic for me. I love the King James Bible. And so, you know,
I just want to make sure that others can also appreciate the Bible that we've been given.
Well, I think that's going to end up doing it for us. Make sure to check out the Baptist Bias Weekly
Tuesdays, 8 p.m. Here, we're going to be having several more episodes this season. You don't want
to miss them. You want to check them out live so you can call in. You can give us your questions.
And that's pretty much going to wrap us up. Why don't you go ahead and close it out, Ben?
I don't care what you're doing right now. Drop it and head over to the Love Thy Neighbor
YouTube channel to check out the worldwide premiere of the Preserved Bible. It starts in
minutes and folks. For Pastor Jonathan Shelley, this is Benjamin Naim signing off and we will
talk to you guys again after a while.