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Thanks for joining us on the Baptist Bias.

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I'm your host, Pastor Shelley.

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It's the final service for the Anti-Azure Conference.

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And we're going to be starting here not too long.

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You want to check it out on the Steadfast Baptist Church

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channel on Rumble.

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Pastor Aaron Thompson is going to be preaching for us.

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This morning, we had a record-breaking attendance, 383,

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to hear my favorite Mexican preacher, Pastor Bruce Meade.

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How's it going?

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I don't want to be here right now.

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I feel like you're just keeping me here.

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You're just making me be here.

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And if you look at my face, I just really

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hate it here, apparently.

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You know?

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Remember they said that last time?

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I'm just using your illegal status against you or something.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He's blackmailing me right now.

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Now it's great to be here.

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I'm super happy with the conference.

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A lot of people, great preaching,

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and I'm privileged to be able to come here and preach for you guys.

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And so thank you, Pastor Shelley, for putting this on.

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Yeah, you've been blowing up online on social media about this issue for a while now.

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Not funny, okay?

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Well, your church has been blowing up.

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Your church blows up first, then you blow up, right?

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Well, you know, obviously this conference has been a blast, it's been a huge success,

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we've had a lot of great preaching.

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I feel like the sermons have been virtually impossible to gainsay.

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I mean, if anybody came to our sermons with an open mind, I think they're going to be convinced.

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immediately. So I feel like it's, you know, very successful, but I guess my question is like,

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what do we do from here in a sense? And I know, you know, you've been putting a lot of information,

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a lot of content online, you know, a lot of people at our churches have been pretty riled up about

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this. There's people though that are also listening online, maybe they don't have a church that is

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right on this issue. So I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts like, you know, what do people

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do, you know, with this information? Where do we go after this conference? Well, first and foremost,

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You know, when it comes to those who aren't necessarily are already a part of our church,

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I think they need to get plugged into a new life in church.

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And I hope that this conference has kind of built an appetite for this type of preaching

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that is unfiltered, uses a lot of Bible, it preaches hard against these controversial

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topics.

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And I hope it makes them dissatisfied with what they currently have and realize that

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not all churches are like that.

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You don't have to become Catholic.

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You don't have to become Orthodox.

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There's literal fundamental Baptist churches that are preaching the truth and are using

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the Bible, the clear passages, are explaining things.

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It's expository.

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It's hard hitting.

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And so I think people need to, number one, start tuning into new IFB preaching by Pastor

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Anderson, Pastor Thompson, Pastor Shelley, Pastor Oz, Pastor Nareg Reyes, and start listening

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to that.

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start attending some of these churches as well.

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Yeah.

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Well, again, obviously there's some other groups that are also against Israel and we

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get that.

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The Bible says they're contrary to all men.

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But at the end of the day, when's the last time you've heard a Catholic or an Orthodox

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priest get up and just rip on this particular issue, expound Romans chapter 11, and look,

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these guys aren't even saved, so obviously they're not going to give the spiritual understanding

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of the Bible.

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Right.

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So, you know, even if there is other groups out there that are, quote, against Jews, they

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usually are wrong.

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They're right for the wrong reasons a lot of times.

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And so what I like about this conference is that we're proving why we believe what we believe from the Bible.

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Right.

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And that we're not necessarily saying,

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hey, you know, we hate these people because of their ethnicity or,

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or really even though we just hate just all ethnic Jews,

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it's more like we hate the religion of Judaism.

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And, you know, I'm just channeling the spirit of Elijah

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because in Romans chapter 11, their favorite chapter in the Bible, the Zionists.

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It says about Elias, it says how he make it intercession to God against Israel.

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And you know, I feel like that's what we've been doing.

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We've been trying to make intercession to God against Zionism, against this fake version of Israel.

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And we're trying to awaken the true Israel of God, saved Christians, to be less, you know, for Antichrist and more for the Lord Jesus Christ.

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It's a shame how many churches a day, they're going there and they're not.

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they're caring more about antichrist than what Jesus actually said.

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It's like they are afraid of what Jesus said his words and they want to give lip service

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to Israel.

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And you know, I'm not one of these type of people that thinks like you just have to have

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a perfect doctrinal church to go to.

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Like churches can be off.

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But man, it would be hard to go to a church that's just like rabidly Zionist, really pushing

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these kind of agendas.

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I almost feel like it's a self-destructive ideology at this point.

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I feel like they're not gonna...

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capture the youth, they're not going to bring new people in, it's a very divisive issue.

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You know you want to be on the right side of history and so I like what you said. I

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think that people need to just figure out a way to get a new IAB church. And I heard

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somebody say this, it's like no one's coming to rescue you.

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In some cases you just kind of have to find your way into one of these churches.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And the reality is this is that a lot of these churches that even they may have the right

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position regarding Israel, it's going to be hard to find a church that actually is open

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about it.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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They might even have the right doctrinal position.

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You question them one on one after the service.

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They'll tell you that believers are God's chosen people, the Jews are not.

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But you know, sometimes that's just not enough.

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You need to hear.

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like a really good sermon on it. You need to hear some ripping on it and you need to

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hear some expository preaching. So I hope that a lot of people that are watching the

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conference are inspired to study the Bible more because then they're realizing like,

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whoa, the Bible does have a lot to say about this. There's so many passages that my pastor

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hasn't covered or this particular church has never covered. I've never seen that before.

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I've never seen explained that way. And so I hope that motivates people to realize that

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like the New Testament, well, the Bible in general, but the New Testament has a lot.

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to say about this.

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And in light of that, it would move them

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to start reading the word of God,

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memorize it in scriptures,

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and join a church that does the same.

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You know, one group that I think is actually

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making a difference in this area too

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is a lot of Calvinist churches.

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I've seen a lot of reformed churches

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be kind of right on this issue,

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and I feel like it's stuck to a lot of young people

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and people in these churches,

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but it seems like the Calvinist

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kind of goes into a political.

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practical solution, whereas we are trying to more focus on the spiritual aspect and say like,

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hey, we want you to get plugged in so you can go soul winning and get people saved.

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And I feel like that's going to have a bigger impact on our country than trying to endorse the

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lesser of two evils in our politics right now. And so, you know, if you're going to Calvinist

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church, even if they're right on these issues, you need to go to a King James only soul winning

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church where you're actually make a spiritual difference and have a bigger impact on the culture.

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than quote voting in the lesser of two evils.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And you know, like you said, what these reform churches,

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these Calvinist churches, they have the right position

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and don't even preach against it.

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But the solution to the problem,

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I feel like will cause Christians to be.

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more grieved over the state of our country,

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where it's just like, oh, it's the political answer.

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Look at everything that's going on in Iran.

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Look at everything with all the wars.

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And it kind of just is a grief of mind to the people.

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Whereas, like, if you approach this

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from a spiritual perspective,

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it actually leaves you with more hope.

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It leaves you with a purpose.

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It leaves you emphasizing the gospel

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and wanting to get people saved

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and making a spiritual impact

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rather than a political one

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that it's not gonna really work.

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Yeah, I mean, I felt that...

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People feel disenfranchised with the political system because even if you did have some good

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candidates it seems like elections can be rigged and it seems like there's not a lot

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of good candidates and there's all these promises and they break their promises.

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And so, you know, when you get into a church like ours you can go out there every week

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and get someone saved and you can have a different kind of election.

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You can have one where you actually make a difference where your vote counts, where you

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preach the gospel and someone gets saved right then and there.

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And that's a better election.

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So, you know, I hope that people won't just necessarily

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realize, hey, Jews are bad, I'm smarter than everybody else.

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You know, take some practical application,

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get plugged into a good church,

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use that knowledge for good to realize,

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hey, if they're our true enemy

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and we're fighting a spiritual battle,

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we need to go out and get more people saved,

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get them plugged into a good church to get them baptized,

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to get them to start reading the Bible

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and converting more people.

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Because our country needs more saved Christians

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than anything.

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And I think that America,

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If you want to

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to save America, if you want to fix our country, fix our areas.

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We need more people plugged into good churches, going soul winning, reading the Bible.

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And I don't mind using this doctrine or using this particular worldview to help people come

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awake to.

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the dangers of Zionism and the dangers of false doctrine and these false prophets.

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But at the end of the day, that's just the stepping stone, in my opinion. This isn't the conclusion.

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This isn't the final solution. We need to get people actually plugged in,

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going to church, reading the Bible. And so you never even darken the door of a church.

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You need to get plugged in to a good church. I've heard a lot of people say, oh, there's no more good churches.

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But it's like, hey, in LA, you got to go to first words about it.

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Orange County.

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Orange County.

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Orange County.

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Well, if they're in LA, they need to get into Orange County too.

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They need to drive down there.

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Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.

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But, I mean, your church has been doing good.

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It's been growing.

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I mean, people say like, oh, churches are dying, but your church is growing.

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Tell us about it.

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Yeah, it's been growing.

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It's been getting filled with a lot of anti-Semitic, no, I'm just kidding, just people who are

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looking for the truth.

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Well, you like racists, even if they're racist, right?

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I love you, you know?

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Hey.

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I mean, you know, I think it's important to have a conference like this too, because,

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like I mentioned, I feel like the younger generation, the Zoomers.

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They are just kind of disillusioned with a lot of churches because they're so Zionist.

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They're disillusioned with the non-denom churches.

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They're sick and tired of the weak preaching, the strong stance on Israel, and all of these

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watered down truths that are being promoted for the pulpit.

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And so it kind of causes them to have this knee-jerk reaction where they're going to

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the opposite extreme, which is Catholicism and Orthodoxy, because they think all churches

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are bad.

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All Protestant churches have just lost their way.

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How

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Having a conference like this is kind of a reminder to everyone like, no, this is what

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Christians have always held to.

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Christians have always believed that both Jew and Gentile are the chosen people of God.

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We've always rejected the physical nation as being the chosen people of God in the New

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Testament.

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And so I feel like that's a breath of fresh air for a lot of people.

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And you know, they've been combating this in their own churches, not really knowing

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what to say.

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And I feel like this conference is kind of giving them the artillery and the tools necessary

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to answer some of these questions.

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questions and answer some of these accusations that are coming from the pulpit, these statements

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of blessing Israel, it's going to help them a lot more in that area.

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You know, and I think obviously you get plugged into a good church, you go sewing, you're reading your Bible, these are good steps.

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I think another one is just sharing this information.

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You know, finding Pastor Mahia's material, sharing it, uploading it, making cool mixes of it.

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You know, I feel like we don't have enough people sharing this information, and that's another thing people could do.

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If they want to share the information, you know, obviously we don't copyright our information.

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We don't strike people's channels down because of cool copyright.

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We love it when people make clips of our preaching

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or spice them up.

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Whether good or bad.

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Yeah, anything, just getting the information out there.

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And so the more people can share this,

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make their own mixes, put it out there, we love it.

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You know, people always ask me permission,

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like, hey, can I share this or can I upload?

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It's like, yes, upload and reshare and remix

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and splice it together.

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Like, we want the truth to get out there.

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And I think the more people that are putting it online,

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the more pressure it's gonna...

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going to be putting on other churches to come our way,

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to be more open, to be more vocal.

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It'll help influence our culture.

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It helps influence the politics,

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even if you care about that arena.

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And so, you know, the more that we can get the truth out there,

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you know, I think the more that it's going to be helpful.

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You've been doing a lot of stuff on social media.

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You know, what is your vision for the future on this?

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Do you feel like the sky's the limit right now?

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I mean, I feel like you're just blowing up.

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Yeah, I feel like we just need to ride the wave.

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I think we're experiencing a time.

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of revival when it comes to this particular doctrine.

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And I think we just need to utilize it and take advantage of it to get more people saved,

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get people back in church, zealous about the word of God.

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I've had many messages of people telling me like, once I found your content and inspired

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me to go back to church.

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Like I've been out of church for years and I went back to church now and I'm reading

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my Bible and I'm, you know, living out the Christian life now because of this.

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So obviously it's kind of like a niche subject, but it honestly it's cost people to just get

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with God in a lot of areas because it's causing them to realize like the truth is still the truth and

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It's in the Word of God and I need to get back in church. I need to get back into the fight

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I need to get involved in the things of God once again

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So I believe we just need to take advantage of this particular era this little season of success that we're experiencing with this doctrine

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It's such a niche topic that you just let your Bible fall open and it's probably on every single page

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But you know and I think that's another thing that's a problem because if you have a church is very Zionist

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There's so much of the Bible that you'll just never hear.

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So many passages, so many great excerpts, so many red letters that you're not going to hear

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because the Bible is so clear on this particular issue.

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And it's just kind of a shame, you know, I was listening to a preacher talk about how

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oh, the Iran-Israel conflict is, you know, ishmael.

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And it's just like, when is this guy ever going to go to Galatians chapter 4?

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and actually allow the text to define itself because Galatians chapter number four is saying

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Ishmael is the Jews. Right. And you know that's another, I mean honestly we've heard so many good

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sermons but there's even more that could be preached on this topic. We barely scratched the

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surface. You know I think that would be another good sermon is like the Ishmael of God. Because

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it's just like these people aren't the Israel of God, they're the Ishmael of God. Yeah they're

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constantly promoting Ishmael being the Muslims. Right. And that's Ishmael, Isaac are the Jews,

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but the possible

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And Paul says, and we brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise, in Galatians

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chapter 4, right?

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And even in Galatians chapter 3, it tells us that.

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And so like, it's obviously pretty clear, by the way, Muslims didn't even exist during

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that particular time.

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Yeah, exactly.

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When Paul was writing this-

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When the book of Romans didn't even be written.

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To say that Ishmael are the Muslims is crazy because he talks about Jerusalem, which now

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is.

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Yeah.

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So he's obviously referring to the Jerusalem of his time, which was only filled with Jews.

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So, well, anyways.

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It's funny because these Zionists typically say like,

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well you've got to understand the context of the time.

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You've got to go back to that time when this was written.

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It's just like, okay, were Muslims even in existence in the first century?

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It's just like, this is kind of anachronistic here to try and apply this book of Galatians and Ishmael to Muslims.

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And, you know, of course, obviously the Bible references old stories like Sodom, like you brought up this morning.

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And I really like how you use that.

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to illustrate why Israel was gay.

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And of course it's like Hollywood,

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you know, there obviously there's so many of the overlap

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when it comes to early life Jewish,

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and then being a homosexual.

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And then you have obviously just the biggest LGBT parades,

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but you also see them being the biggest pushers

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of this agenda, the ones that were trying to get

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the laws passed and legislation,

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and trying to promote it all over the world,

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and you gotta like, it's.

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It's almost like one and the same type of an agenda.

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It's coming from Israel specifically.

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And one of the verses that kind of stuck out to me

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while you were preaching this morning,

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it was, I'm gonna forget the exact reference,

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I think it was in the book of Deuteronomy,

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but it was talking about how even the enemies

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were gonna judge them.

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And I think what's important about that is like even just

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Islamists, Muslims, all these different groups, they look at just the filth and the smut that these people are promoting and they're just like

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You're obviously not of God like there's nothing righteous about your group. So why would we even want to participate?

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And I think that's the point. There's all these churches today that are promoting this nonsense

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It's like why does someone want to get into church when they already feel like I'm I'm not on this

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denigrated path because I'm not bringing homos into my house or around my family and all this kind of nonsense and

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It's just frustrating. Yeah, you know the cancer culture hit hard, but I feel like you've really pushed through you've really survived

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I mean you were big on YouTube

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I mean you would have like 130,000 subs.

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I had like 112,000 before I got deleted.

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Oh man.

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I mean you were doing great on YouTube.

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Your shorts were really good.

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And so it's great to see that you've had another vehicle

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to be able to utilize.

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Cause I mean your content is fire.

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Like it's not just a random video, like it's really well edited, you have a lot of good graphics, you speak really well,

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and you're communicating important messages, and you know, it feels like you've really been riding this anti-Zionism wave.

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Do you feel like you're just gonna keep, just pedal the metal on that one, or are you gonna branch into some other topics? Like what is...

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Well, the thing is like, you know, my preaching, my podcast covers a variety of different topics,

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and you know, I have a lot of people who are like, oh...

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all you talk about is Israel, yeah, on my Instagram.

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Because right now that is the bait

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that gets people into the truth.

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And that's what people are looking for right now.

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So once they get hooked onto that,

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we can hook them onto other truths of the word of God.

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I definitely cover other topics on my Instagram,

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but I'm trying to squeeze this thing as much as possible.

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And obviously, I get kind of tired of it, right?

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Like, you know, it gets kind of boring or whatever to me

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because I'm always talking about it.

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But you know what?

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A lot of people online are not bored of it.

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To them it's still brand new.

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To them it's just like, oh man,

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I've never heard this before.

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So I try to use that to get them into the podcast,

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to get them into my sermons,

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to get them into other content,

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to get them into church.

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And I think that's a great tool to kind of reel people in.

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It makes me think of music,

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because sometimes music comes out

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and only certain people-

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Like a single or something?

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Yeah, or somebody hears it and it's like two years,

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and then eventually it gets on the radio.

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And but like but when it's because the radio's everybody's listening to it

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I remember there would be songs I had heard for two years and then finally went to the radio

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I was kind of sick of it by the time I got on the radio, but then like everybody else just loves it

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They can't get enough of it or something like that

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It almost seems like we're in a radio stage of this of this anti-zionism

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Where it's it's still really fresh for a lot of people and what I like is that you're out there

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competing for these souls because you know a lot of you are looking right now and that is

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is a lightning rod issue, and so they're not gonna listen

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to someone that's not speaking correctly

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on this particular issue, and instead of just letting

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all the Catholics or the Calvinists

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or whatever gobble them all up,

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I appreciate that you're out there trying to convert

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more people to Baptist fundamentalism,

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to the King James Bible, to salvation by faith,

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and you know, we need more people to ride

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that particular wave and adopt this.

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I think the churches that are still pro-Zionist,

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they're missing out.

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on a huge group that they could be reaching right now.

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Oh yeah, especially during this time, for sure.

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Well, I mean, again, I don't know that we're going to necessarily have another anti-Israel

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conference. I don't want to say that we won't, but I think that this is a great stepping

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stone. I think that we need to continue doing documentaries, pushes, podcasts, videos, but

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ultimately preaching the gospel. Is there any events or something you want to plug before

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we end? I want to give you a chance here. I know you went to Belize recently. Do you

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have anything else on the horizon?

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Nope, just church. Just come to church. First Works Baptist Church in Anaheim Hills, California.

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1030 a.m. 5 p.m. Sunday night and then 7 o'clock on Thursdays for the Bible study get plugged in come learn some more Bible

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Come get a part of the work

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And of course if you're in Texas come to come and step fast Baptist Church Spring Crest Baptist Church in Houston

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And so I think people just need to get plugged into a church so you can learn more Bible people are just like

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How did you know all this is like I got this in church? I got this from preaching right?

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I got them got it from the Bible and so if you want to grow in your knowledge of the Bible, you know

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You've got to get plugged in.

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Amen.

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Yeah, and if you don't have a King James Bible,

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you need to get one and start reading it.

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If you want to find a good church,

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we have a website, godresource.com,

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and you can go to the church listings.

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It's got all the new IFB churches on there,

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plus just other recommended churches.

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Some of them might be still Zionist

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if you find churches on there,

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but the new IFB won't.

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And so if you can find one of those in your local area,

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they're all over,

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not even just the ones represented

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for this particular conference.

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There's other...

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like-minded men out there.

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There's 7,000 men that haven't kissed the need,

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haven't bowed the knee to Baal,

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and haven't kissed Baal's lips.

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And so we wanna make sure that we don't have churches going

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and bowing at the wall or kissing the wall

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or doing those kind of weird things.

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But if you haven't subscribed yet,

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We're gonna try to put out podcasts at least once a month.

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And we're gonna have other soul-wanting events.

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other missions trips. We're having missions trips to Barbados in September.

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We're also having a Heritage with Lord Kids conference in October near the

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Columbus Day weekend so if you'd like to check that out. We're also going back to

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the Philippines in 2027 so and we'll probably have FBBF our FBBF conference

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next year. We've kind of been doing it every other year and we'll have a lot of

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these guest preachers again. You know for those that weren't able to make it you

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definitely missed out because this is an FBBF conference.

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Epic conference, but hey, you can always join.

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There's never a bad time to join.

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Get plugged into one of these churches,

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