WEBVTT 07:07.500 --> 07:08.380 without a car. 07:31.700 --> 07:33.500 Let those death see 07:38.100 --> 07:38.800 No 07:47.700 --> 07:49.940 The judgment's all right, I hope, I hope 07:52.200 --> 07:54.200 Lord, that judgment's alright 17:18.800 --> 17:21.380 Thanks for joining us on the Baptist Bias. 17:21.380 --> 17:25.180 It's day number three of the Anti-Israel Conference. 17:25.180 --> 17:29.580 We're here with Pastor Anderson and also with Ben the Baptist. 17:29.580 --> 17:33.020 It's great to have a pre-show before the sermon. 17:33.020 --> 17:37.440 Now we already heard Pastor Anderson preach Romans chapter number 11, so what's left to 17:37.440 --> 17:38.440 preach? 17:38.440 --> 17:39.440 It's over. 17:39.440 --> 17:40.880 Yeah, I mean game over for Zionism. 17:40.880 --> 17:41.880 It's already done, right? 17:41.880 --> 17:42.880 As far as I'm concerned, yeah. 17:42.880 --> 17:46.480 So, you know, I'm still excited to hear your sermon this evening. 17:46.480 --> 17:46.800 You want to share? 17:46.800 --> 17:49.200 Check it out on our Step Fast Rumble channel. 17:49.200 --> 17:51.560 It's gonna be happening in less than an hour. 17:51.560 --> 17:54.840 And so you wanna check it out on the Step Fast Rumble channel. 17:54.840 --> 17:56.280 Synagogue of Satan. 17:56.280 --> 17:58.400 How'd you come up with that title? 17:58.400 --> 18:01.400 I don't know, I just thought no one's ever preached about that. 18:01.400 --> 18:04.480 No one's ever brought it up with regard to the subject. 18:04.480 --> 18:06.440 So I just figured I'd be the first one 18:06.440 --> 18:08.640 to just kind of break the ice with it. 18:08.640 --> 18:09.840 I'm kidding, of course. 18:10.000 --> 18:13.120 Now, you've preached Romans 11, obviously, many times before. 18:13.120 --> 18:16.720 There was a Marching to Zion conference where you'd done this. 18:16.720 --> 18:18.160 You'd heard that sermon, right? 18:18.160 --> 18:19.160 Yeah. 18:19.160 --> 18:21.360 How would you compare that to the Romans 11 that we heard last night? 18:21.800 --> 18:24.300 I mean, honestly, they were pretty similar. 18:24.300 --> 18:29.420 I think with this one, you probably spent a little more time on the beginning portion 18:29.420 --> 18:31.340 of the chapter, as I recall. 18:31.340 --> 18:35.540 I mean, that other sermon was a while ago now, but based on what I remember, I think 18:35.540 --> 18:39.200 you focused a little more on the beginning portion of the chapter and last night's sermon. 18:39.200 --> 18:44.140 But regardless, I think both of them left no stone unturned and helped to explain what 18:44.140 --> 18:45.820 that chapter is actually saying. 18:45.820 --> 18:47.500 Anything new that popped out to you? 18:48.200 --> 18:54.820 I think the part about Jesus Christ being the root just kind of you know expounding on that a little bit more 18:54.820 --> 18:59.860 I don't recall if that was covered in 2017 or not, but I think that stood out to me 18:59.860 --> 19:03.940 I think there was definitely new material in the sermon and that's the thing about reading the Bible 19:03.940 --> 19:10.360 Is that even chapters that you've just read so many times and preach so many times every time you approach it 19:10.360 --> 19:16.140 It seems like something new is popping out. So yeah. Yeah, I definitely talked about some different things 19:16.200 --> 19:21.260 That I hadn't previously because that was my biggest fear was like, you know, I don't preach on Romans 11 19:21.260 --> 19:26.120 I've already preached on it so many times, but then just as I was going over it was just like oh wow 19:26.120 --> 19:30.220 I don't think I brought this. Oh, but what about this? It's just so deep. There's so much there 19:30.620 --> 19:32.980 so well my thought was just that you know, you have a 19:33.580 --> 19:38.480 Band get really popular. They have to go and play the same song for all these different 19:38.480 --> 19:44.000 Yeah, and in some cases, you know having a conference like this. Hopefully we could get new people 19:44.200 --> 19:46.560 to pay attention or listen. 19:46.560 --> 19:51.720 And instead of pointing them back to some random 2019 sermon, it's nice to have something 19:51.720 --> 19:52.720 to fresh take. 19:52.720 --> 19:58.200 The majority of people in the auditorium probably hadn't heard the sermon from 2019, realistically. 19:58.200 --> 19:59.960 Or could probably even expounded it. 19:59.960 --> 20:03.720 I don't even remember it, you know, and I'm the one who preached it, so how can anyone 20:03.720 --> 20:05.400 else remember it seven years later? 20:05.400 --> 20:06.400 Right. 20:06.400 --> 20:08.920 You gotta repeat these things over and over again. 20:08.920 --> 20:11.120 And I think that's a mistake a lot of pastors make too, 20:11.120 --> 20:12.200 is that they're afraid. 20:12.200 --> 20:15.940 to repeat basic truths or fundamental truths. 20:15.940 --> 20:19.780 Every sermon has to be some exotic new thing. 20:19.780 --> 20:21.880 And then it's like people that are new 20:21.880 --> 20:24.480 are not getting rooted and grounded in the basics. 20:24.480 --> 20:28.500 And so I think that, you know, every single sermon ideally 20:28.500 --> 20:32.900 should contain old and new, you know, basic material 20:32.900 --> 20:35.660 that really shore people up on the important things 20:35.660 --> 20:37.340 and get the new people grounded. 20:37.340 --> 20:39.340 And then also, you know, something fresh 20:39.340 --> 20:40.200 so that it's not just. 20:40.200 --> 20:45.240 a complete rerun, you want to get something fresh in there for the seasoned veterans. 20:45.240 --> 20:50.160 Yeah, I mean, I feel like in preaching, sometimes I feel like I want to just preach a bunch 20:50.160 --> 20:51.160 of new stuff. 20:51.160 --> 20:56.280 But if I end up preaching something that's just really kind of a basic idea or core fundamental 20:56.280 --> 20:59.720 belief, it seems like the congregation actually likes it even more. 20:59.720 --> 21:00.720 Yeah. 21:00.720 --> 21:01.920 They resonate with it more. 21:01.920 --> 21:07.360 So like, I don't think we should be afraid to preach simplistic sermons or truths that 21:07.360 --> 21:08.200 we already know. 21:08.200 --> 21:12.600 But at the end of the day, it's important as fundamental Baptist to believe the fundamentals. 21:12.600 --> 21:13.100 Amen. 21:13.100 --> 21:14.100 For our children to believe them. 21:14.100 --> 21:18.520 Yeah, just from like a layman's perspective, I really appreciate sermons, even if I've 21:18.520 --> 21:22.560 already heard the subject, for example, Romans 11, because it refreshes me. 21:22.560 --> 21:23.060 Oh yeah. 21:23.060 --> 21:28.900 I'm not always going to be totally on the ball when it comes to deep doctrine like that. 21:28.900 --> 21:33.960 So it helps to be refreshed and hear a new sermon about the same subject, just because, 21:33.960 --> 21:36.120 you know, we need to be reminded of these things. 21:36.200 --> 21:43.400 Yeah, and then the other thing is that you know when we're preaching sometimes we need to remember that this is what we do 21:43.400 --> 21:47.620 For a living we eat breathe and sleep this stuff all the time 21:47.620 --> 21:53.360 I remember one time I was sitting at a prophecy conference and I heard a sermon and I remember just thinking like man 21:53.680 --> 21:58.060 This is a little disappointing because it's just so basic. It's boring 21:58.760 --> 22:04.160 Everybody knows this and then everybody just raving about the sermon afterward how much they liked it now 22:04.200 --> 22:06.840 just think like, oh, I guess, you know, it's not as basic as I think. 22:07.080 --> 22:10.640 I mean, to me, just like if you name any chapter in Revelation, of course, 22:10.640 --> 22:12.400 we're just going to know everything about it. 22:12.400 --> 22:14.920 But your average person, you can't just walk up to them and be like, 22:15.080 --> 22:18.240 hey, you know, Revelation 14, you know, then they're just kind of like, 22:18.240 --> 22:19.400 oh, what's the rate? 22:19.400 --> 22:22.880 You know, obviously, like we live this stuff every day. 22:23.120 --> 22:26.000 The people in the congregation, they were at various levels of learning. 22:26.000 --> 22:29.400 Some of them are super deep into it, and then others are new. 22:29.400 --> 22:31.440 And so we can take for granted sometimes. 22:31.440 --> 22:32.200 It's like the math. 22:32.200 --> 22:34.080 professor that's just skipping steps. 22:34.080 --> 22:35.080 Oh, we all know this. 22:35.080 --> 22:38.160 And then the kid in the chairs is totally lost. 22:38.160 --> 22:39.960 Yeah, calculus can be like that sometimes. 22:39.960 --> 22:42.680 They just start skipping steps, and you're just like, wait a minute. 22:42.680 --> 22:44.080 I don't know how you got over it. 22:44.080 --> 22:45.520 We all know this. 22:45.520 --> 22:49.800 And so there's this guy on YouTube, speaking of calculus, there's this guy on YouTube called 22:49.800 --> 22:51.480 Organic Chemistry Tutor. 22:51.480 --> 22:55.400 And this is like the best math channel on YouTube. 22:55.400 --> 22:57.520 And the guy just skips no steps. 22:57.520 --> 22:59.080 So it's just like, he's literally like, 22:59.080 --> 23:00.200 three plus two is five. 23:00.200 --> 23:07.080 You know, he's just going like he's breaking down this difficult calculus and he goes all the way calculus to calculus three 23:07.080 --> 23:12.480 But he never skips any steps because it's like you'd rather have bro show you a little too much 23:13.040 --> 23:20.040 Then to leave you lost and the comments are just filled with people saying like I would never survive without you 23:20.040 --> 23:28.020 You're the greatest person ever, you know, and and so sometimes I think that we can tend to skip steps and so it's good to maybe 23:28.200 --> 23:32.800 be a little bit too basic than to be a little bit too advanced. 23:32.800 --> 23:33.300 Yeah. 23:33.300 --> 23:34.240 You know. 23:34.240 --> 23:36.840 Well, you know, we covered some big topics. 23:36.840 --> 23:41.880 We covered Romans chapter 11 as a big talking point 23:41.880 --> 23:43.080 for the Zionist proud. 23:43.080 --> 23:46.200 But it's the only talking point from the New Testament. 23:46.200 --> 23:47.560 Well, almost. 23:47.560 --> 23:50.640 What else do they have in the entire New Testament? 23:50.640 --> 23:52.920 They just hit you with the Old Testament all day long. 23:53.300 --> 23:54.900 plus Romans 11. 23:54.900 --> 23:56.300 I mean, what else do they have in the New... 23:56.300 --> 23:57.800 I mean, I guess Ben's gonna tell us. 23:57.800 --> 23:59.100 He's gotta listen to some stuff here. 23:59.100 --> 24:01.800 Because I'd like to know what in the world... 24:01.800 --> 24:03.300 Was there like one thing or one other thing? 24:03.300 --> 24:05.300 The only New Testament verses I have 24:05.300 --> 24:08.300 are them trying to answer the scriptures we appeal to. 24:08.300 --> 24:10.800 No, no, I wanna know what New Testament scripture 24:10.800 --> 24:12.500 makes their case. 24:12.500 --> 24:15.500 I can't think of any other than Romans 11, 25, and 30. 24:15.500 --> 24:17.300 And of course, we put that to bed last night. 24:17.300 --> 24:18.300 But here's the thing. 24:18.300 --> 24:21.100 Yeah, so their only talking point from the New Testament 24:21.300 --> 24:28.460 Romans 11, 25, and 26. But in order to get to 25 and 26, you have to go through the gauntlet 24:28.460 --> 24:32.860 of verses 1 through 7, which just completely destroys... 24:33.100 --> 24:34.440 their doctrine. 24:34.440 --> 24:37.520 So it's like, and even 25 and 26, 24:37.520 --> 24:39.080 their whole point is just, would be like, 24:39.080 --> 24:40.680 oh, a future restoration. 24:40.680 --> 24:42.840 How does that make them God's chosen people now? 24:42.840 --> 24:43.960 Right, exactly. 24:43.960 --> 24:48.520 And I totally reject their future restoration, of course. 24:48.520 --> 24:51.080 The future restoration is basically 24:51.080 --> 24:52.920 God's plan moving backwards. 24:52.920 --> 24:54.960 Basically it's like, we come into the New Testament 24:54.960 --> 24:57.560 and then, oh, psych, we move back to the Old Testament, 24:57.560 --> 24:58.880 two steps forward, one step back. 24:58.880 --> 25:00.840 God's plan is only gonna move forward. 25:01.100 --> 25:05.740 There's no going back to the Old Testament. That ship has sailed in that he saith the new 25:06.140 --> 25:11.180 covenant he has made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to 25:12.000 --> 25:13.000 vanish away. 25:13.000 --> 25:14.000 Right. 25:14.000 --> 25:15.000 Right. 25:15.000 --> 25:16.000 It's not coming back, folks. 25:16.000 --> 25:19.400 Well, I mean, that's why it uses New Testament language as opposed to, you know, temple language. 25:19.400 --> 25:21.000 But it uses New Testament language. 25:21.000 --> 25:22.000 Temple language. 25:22.000 --> 25:23.000 What a banger. 25:23.000 --> 25:28.000 It says, you know, there shall come out of Zion a deliverer and shall turn away on godly 25:28.000 --> 25:29.000 ness for Jacob. 25:29.000 --> 25:31.000 For this is my covenant and I shall take away their sins. 25:31.000 --> 25:33.000 I mean, that's obviously a reference to the New Testament, I believe. 25:33.000 --> 25:37.000 Yeah, and I think for this conference, you know, some people might think, like, how could 25:37.000 --> 25:40.000 you be anti-Israel or how could you be against it? 25:40.000 --> 25:46.000 And I preach a sermon about that but you know Elijah is like that because in Romans chapter 11 which you preached 25:46.000 --> 25:48.080 It says how he make it intercession to God 25:48.700 --> 25:54.540 Against Israel so I'm not the first one to be against Israel even Elijah and the Old Testament was 25:55.160 --> 26:02.120 Against Israel and so I think that you know if you were honest with the text you immediately come to our side 26:02.440 --> 26:08.000 But of course they still have verses they point to and we're willing to debunk anything they throw at us 26:08.000 --> 26:11.200 So why don't you give us a list of some verses here or some ideas? 26:11.200 --> 26:13.440 What are some of these talking points they bring up? 26:13.900 --> 26:22.200 So I scoured the internet, I watched YouTube videos, especially ones that are designed to respond directly to us or directly to Pastor Anderson. 26:22.200 --> 26:25.200 A lot of these are Old Testament, but one guy brought up... 26:25.200 --> 26:26.500 Was there any rap songs? 26:26.500 --> 26:33.700 Of course lots of them are Old Testament, because again, all they have is Old Testament that they can anachronistically apply. 26:33.700 --> 26:38.200 And by the way, I'm anti-Israel because I'm in the place of Israel. The other meaning of anti. 26:38.200 --> 26:38.900 There you go. 26:38.900 --> 26:40.400 Because I replace Israel. 26:40.400 --> 26:41.200 Amen. 26:41.600 --> 26:43.320 As a Gentile, believe me. 26:43.320 --> 26:47.840 I would actually say virtually all of them are Old Testament actually, but we have Isaiah 26:47.840 --> 26:53.640 43, Isaiah chapter 43, somebody brought up verses 5 through 7 where the Bible says, 26:53.640 --> 26:55.600 Fear not, for I am with thee. 26:55.600 --> 26:58.880 I will bring thy seed from the east and gather thee from the west. 26:58.880 --> 27:02.440 I will say to the north, give up and to the south, keep not back. 27:02.440 --> 27:05.880 Bring my sons from far and my daughters from the ends of the earth, even everyone that 27:05.880 --> 27:08.880 is called by my name, for I have created him for my glory. 27:08.880 --> 27:09.600 This is like Kiki. 27:09.600 --> 27:14.940 candy from a baby. They're saying 1948. This is written before the Babylonian captivity 27:14.940 --> 27:19.300 returned. This is about them returning from the Babylonian captivity. I mean, it's just 27:19.300 --> 27:26.220 so obvious. Like, get a clue, folks. Figure out when the heck Isaiah is even written. 27:26.220 --> 27:31.580 And he's talking about the coming Babylonian captivity. They get scattered and then they 27:31.580 --> 27:34.860 get brought back. Done. Over. Already happened. 27:35.500 --> 27:41.860 Well, and again, you know, I think sometimes we appeal to dual fulfillment or double prophecy. 27:41.860 --> 27:43.660 And maybe some people might appeal to that. 27:43.660 --> 27:45.260 Yeah, they would argue it's dual fulfillment. 27:45.260 --> 27:50.980 Keep reading in the chapter, it says, bring forth the blind people that have eyes and 27:50.980 --> 27:52.500 the deaf that have ears. 27:52.500 --> 27:56.340 Well, that's not what Romans chapter 11 is describing those people as being. 27:56.340 --> 28:00.100 It's saying that they're actually blinded and that they don't have sight. 28:00.100 --> 28:02.300 And why would I think in 1948 they did? 28:02.300 --> 28:03.300 It also says in verse 9, 28:03.500 --> 28:07.300 all the nations be gathered together and let the people be assembled who among 28:07.300 --> 28:10.860 them can declare this and show us former things let them bring forth their 28:10.860 --> 28:16.020 witnesses that they may be justified or let them hear and say it is truth ye are 28:16.020 --> 28:20.220 my witnesses say at the Lord and my servant whom I've chosen they may know 28:20.220 --> 28:24.380 and believe me and understand that I am he before me there was no God form 28:24.380 --> 28:28.620 neither shall there be after me I even I am the Lord and beside me there is no 28:28.620 --> 28:31.500 Savior what's interesting is this is talking about Jesus 28:31.500 --> 28:36.540 again and how these people you know of course these Jews did not receive Jesus 28:36.540 --> 28:43.940 Christ in his time nor in 1948 so how is this prophecy gonna be then a 28:43.940 --> 28:49.700 fulfillment of you know a future event again you know and it's bringing up all 28:49.700 --> 28:52.940 nations it's not bringing up just the Jews it's saying they already have eyes 28:52.940 --> 28:57.620 they already have ears nothing in this passage even fits let me debunk the whole 28:57.620 --> 28:59.500 dual fulfillment theory 28:59.500 --> 29:02.520 with respect to this text and other texts like it. 29:02.520 --> 29:06.660 With dual fulfillment, usually the second fulfillment 29:06.660 --> 29:10.000 in the dual fulfillment is the more literal, 29:10.000 --> 29:14.080 more dramatic, superior fulfillment. 29:14.080 --> 29:16.300 So here's the actual dual fulfillment. 29:16.300 --> 29:19.920 Fulfillment number one, coming back from Babylon 29:19.920 --> 29:23.400 into the promised land in the days of Ezra, Nehemiah, 29:23.400 --> 29:25.960 and all that, leading up to the first coming of Christ. 29:25.960 --> 29:27.500 The dual fulfillment is... 29:27.500 --> 29:30.100 is when the Israelites are resurrected 29:30.100 --> 29:32.160 at the second coming of Christ, 29:32.160 --> 29:34.860 and then they are in the promised land, 29:34.860 --> 29:36.240 and they're serving God, 29:36.240 --> 29:39.040 and the 12 apostles are sitting on 12 thrones, 29:39.040 --> 29:40.820 judging the 12 tribes of Israel. 29:40.820 --> 29:43.100 That is the second phase of dual fulfillment. 29:43.100 --> 29:44.940 Same thing with the Valley of the Dry Bones, 29:44.940 --> 29:48.260 which I'm assuming is probably on your list, Ezekiel 39. 29:48.260 --> 29:50.140 Okay, can these bones live? 29:50.140 --> 29:51.980 He's gonna bring them back, whatever. 29:51.980 --> 29:55.500 Fulfillment number one, bringing them back from Babylon. 29:55.500 --> 30:02.360 Because Ezekiel is an exiled prophet writing during the Babylonian captivity. So they're in captivity 30:02.360 --> 30:07.860 He's talking about them coming back. That's what he's referencing. But he also uses language about 30:08.680 --> 30:15.780 Resurrection coming back from the dead these the dry bones are dead and then God breathes life into them and literally 30:16.140 --> 30:18.140 resurrects dead bodies in front of Ezekiel 30:18.460 --> 30:23.500 So hmm, I wonder what that it's a resurrection of literal dead bodies because again with dual fulfillment 30:23.500 --> 30:27.060 You have the shadow fulfillment, you have the literal fulfillment. 30:27.060 --> 30:33.220 Okay, the literal fulfillment is literal dead bodies rising from the dead when Jesus Christ 30:33.220 --> 30:39.700 comes in the clouds, second coming, resurrection, regeneration, and then that's them coming 30:39.700 --> 30:43.700 back into the promised land with Christ, ruling and reigning with Christ. 30:43.700 --> 30:45.860 And so that's the dual fulfillment. 30:45.860 --> 30:51.460 And again, you can't just claim a fulfillment with no... 30:51.500 --> 30:56.220 evidence from the New Testament about this whole 1948 shenanigan. 30:56.220 --> 30:58.540 Where's the New Testament teaching this 1948? 30:58.540 --> 31:01.740 Right, this would have to be in parallel with something in the New Testament. 31:01.740 --> 31:05.700 And the New Testament teaching about the Jews as their enemies and wicked and hated Jesus 31:05.700 --> 31:07.500 and they're going to be destroyed and replaced. 31:07.500 --> 31:09.420 So then how does that fit? 31:09.420 --> 31:13.140 You know, another interesting point that you're making here though is that it's picturing 31:13.140 --> 31:18.460 resurrection language and then they're pointing to 1948, which is a war. 31:18.460 --> 31:19.460 No one was resurrected. 31:19.500 --> 31:21.100 people were killed and slaughtered. 31:21.100 --> 31:23.980 So it's describing a battle where people are dying 31:23.980 --> 31:25.780 and being killed in 1948, 31:25.780 --> 31:27.860 but then the Bible is describing a resurrection. 31:27.860 --> 31:30.980 This is like the inverse of what's actually happening. 31:30.980 --> 31:34.660 It's almost like an anti-Christ, anti-resurrection. 31:34.660 --> 31:38.620 And you know, it's not the exact, the exact opposite. 31:39.980 --> 31:42.140 Well, moving on, we also have here- 31:42.140 --> 31:43.460 Were you convinced or were you- 31:43.460 --> 31:44.300 No, not you. 31:44.300 --> 31:45.140 He's on the fence. 31:45.140 --> 31:46.620 You guys are gonna have to, yeah, I'm on the fence. 31:46.620 --> 31:47.500 You're gonna have to work a little harder. 31:47.500 --> 31:52.700 I'm just kidding. Ezekiel 11, they bring this up. You kind of made reference to it last 31:52.700 --> 31:53.700 night. 31:53.700 --> 31:59.940 Just stop for a second. Ezekiel is a prophet writing from the exile. So let's just get 31:59.940 --> 32:04.480 that in our heads before we even look at the text. And you know, actually rightly dividing 32:04.480 --> 32:09.720 the word of truth and figure out where we even are in the Bible in the timeline. So 32:09.720 --> 32:10.720 what's the scripture? 32:10.720 --> 32:15.500 They go to verse 19, and I will give them one heart and I will put a new spirit with 32:15.500 --> 32:18.980 than you and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh and will give them a 32:18.980 --> 32:22.660 heart of flesh that they may walk in my statutes." Quoted in the book of Hebrews 32:22.660 --> 32:26.620 about the New Testament, the New Testament, it's talking about getting 32:26.620 --> 32:31.580 saved through Jesus Christ, your new creature, Holy Spirit dwells inside you. 32:31.580 --> 32:37.980 It's called getting saved, exactly what the 1948 crew didn't do. And here's the 32:37.980 --> 32:41.140 other thing about that is that the only reason that dispensationalism was 32:41.140 --> 32:43.500 popular in the 20th century... 32:43.500 --> 32:49.900 is because they falsely predicted that after the Jews came back to the promised land, they would all get saved. 32:49.900 --> 32:51.060 Listen to any... 32:51.060 --> 32:53.800 No, they don't ring that bell like they used to now. 32:53.800 --> 32:57.500 Now their system is falling apart because it doesn't make any sense. 32:57.500 --> 33:00.600 In the 20th century, this is how they sold it to us. 33:00.600 --> 33:03.800 Well, they're brought back to the land in unbelief. 33:03.800 --> 33:07.900 Then God gives them the new heart and they get saved and blah, blah, blah. 33:07.900 --> 33:11.500 So we were told that the people who came back in 1948 were going... 33:11.500 --> 33:15.060 going to get saved, not their great-great-great-great-grandchildren. 33:15.060 --> 33:16.060 That exact generation. 33:16.060 --> 33:20.640 Yes, we were told these people, they're going to be brought back into the land of unbelief 33:20.640 --> 33:22.060 and then they will get saved. 33:22.060 --> 33:26.340 So then the Dispies went out there to try to evangelize them and they went there and 33:26.340 --> 33:28.520 sent missionaries and did all this stuff. 33:28.520 --> 33:32.000 And back before the internet, you couldn't really fact check things. 33:32.000 --> 33:37.940 So in the 80s and 90s, there were always just these kind of rumors that, oh, all these people 33:37.940 --> 33:39.500 are getting saved over in Israel. 33:39.500 --> 33:44.820 and they're just having huge revivals in Israel, mass salvations over in Israel. 33:44.820 --> 33:47.220 And so you'd always kind of hear about this. 33:47.220 --> 33:51.180 We're always kind of on the cusp of it, and there's kind of rumblings that it's already 33:51.180 --> 33:54.700 happening and you had no way to verify this or check this. 33:54.700 --> 33:56.860 You're just kind of like, oh, okay, cool. 33:56.860 --> 33:59.620 Hey, any day now or whatever, you know? 33:59.620 --> 34:01.380 And you think it's all happening. 34:01.380 --> 34:06.220 And so when you hear, how do I as a kid in the 80s and 90s fact check, hey, thousands 34:06.220 --> 34:07.500 of people are getting saved in Israel? 34:07.500 --> 34:09.260 this revival over there. 34:09.260 --> 34:11.100 I'm just like, praise the Lord. 34:11.100 --> 34:13.380 There's no internet, how do you check? 34:13.380 --> 34:14.220 Yeah, I mean, I don't even know what to do. 34:14.220 --> 34:15.060 Is it, you know what? 34:15.060 --> 34:16.840 You know what, it kind of makes me think of 34:16.840 --> 34:19.980 when Jeremiah, you know, in the book of Jeremiah 34:19.980 --> 34:21.420 where the one prophet is just saying like, 34:21.420 --> 34:23.020 oh no, no, the Lord says there's gonna be peace 34:23.020 --> 34:25.620 and he's just like, okay, then praise God. 34:25.620 --> 34:27.980 But then it's just like, it was just a total fake message. 34:27.980 --> 34:30.140 But it's 2026, okay. 34:30.140 --> 34:31.400 So stop and think about it. 34:31.500 --> 34:40.500 Anyone who was, say, 20 years old in 1948, okay, is dead now. 34:40.500 --> 34:41.500 Yeah. 34:41.500 --> 34:42.500 99.9%. 34:42.500 --> 34:49.500 So 99.99% probably of those people, if not just all of them. 34:50.000 --> 34:56.240 virtually are just dead. The whole generation is dead. So this is a failed prophecy of the 34:56.240 --> 35:01.440 dispensationalists. All those preachers in the 80s and 90s, he brings them in and I even was 35:01.440 --> 35:06.880 hearing this garbage even in the 2010s. Like he brings them to the land in unbelief and then they 35:06.880 --> 35:12.640 get saved. There's no indication of that. There's no evidence of that. And in fact, the trend is the 35:12.640 --> 35:17.520 opposite because you've noticed that every year the statistic of how many saved Christians there 35:18.000 --> 35:20.640 is not going up, it's going down. 35:20.640 --> 35:22.880 We're getting further away from that goal. 35:22.880 --> 35:25.200 And so it's like, he brings them in an unbelief 35:25.200 --> 35:26.140 and then gives them a new heart. 35:26.140 --> 35:27.840 They're dead, they're in hell. 35:28.500 --> 35:30.900 What are you going to do with them now? It's over for them. 35:30.900 --> 35:36.500 And it's like, are we still going to be saying this in like, what about the year like 2135? 35:36.500 --> 35:39.700 Like, it brings them an unbelief and they're going to get saved. 35:39.700 --> 35:44.820 Well see, you know, the church that I grew up in, they're acting like, well a generation's like 60 35:44.820 --> 35:50.420 years. So it's like, you know, 2008 it was like, it's going to happen in 2008. And then it was like, 35:50.420 --> 35:55.700 oh no, it's 70 years. So there's like 2018. So what's going to happen in 2028 when it still 35:55.700 --> 35:56.500 It can happen. 35:56.500 --> 35:58.260 80 years from me. 35:58.260 --> 36:00.980 Yeah, because they also said that this is what all these 36:00.980 --> 36:01.940 disbeys have preached. 36:02.200 --> 36:05.700 that the Israel becoming a nation in 1948 is, quote, 36:05.700 --> 36:08.000 the blossoming of the fig tree. 36:08.000 --> 36:10.200 And when you see the fig tree blossom, 36:10.200 --> 36:11.700 you know that it's about to happen, 36:11.700 --> 36:13.100 and that's how we know we're approaching 36:13.100 --> 36:14.700 the second coming of Christ. 36:14.700 --> 36:18.600 Okay, well, how many seasons have passed since then? 36:18.600 --> 36:21.000 You know, it's like, when is the fruit gonna come? 36:21.000 --> 36:24.100 And so, you know, the point is that, like, 36:24.100 --> 36:27.200 this was a prediction that if you're living in the 60s, 36:27.200 --> 36:29.600 the 1960s, and they're telling you, 36:29.600 --> 36:30.100 Hey! 36:30.200 --> 36:34.800 generations 30 years it's happening this is happening in the next 10 years oh 36:34.800 --> 36:38.700 psych it's 40 years oh just kidding it's 50 years right 36:38.800 --> 36:43.680 That generation has passed because they literally said this generation will not pass 36:44.160 --> 36:50.680 Until all these things are fulfilled is the 1948 generation right? That is what they all preached. Wow. I heard it a million times 36:50.840 --> 36:52.840 Okay, that 36:52.880 --> 36:57.080 1948 generation isn't gonna pass and that's how we know Christ about to return 36:57.240 --> 37:02.320 They were never leaving allowance for hey Christ might not come back for 200 more years 37:02.320 --> 37:06.720 Like no one was saying I mean I say things like that because it's true. Yeah, you never know but I'm 37:06.800 --> 37:11.000 saying when I was growing up it was just all it's happening in this generation 37:11.000 --> 37:15.920 1948 fig tree blossom this generation shall not pass you know and and then 37:15.920 --> 37:21.640 it's like okay that generation is literally all dead maybe there's a few 37:21.640 --> 37:26.160 hundred and five-year-olds or you know a ninety seven-year-olds that were like a 37:26.160 --> 37:32.360 kid back then like me yeah hey you could support this is Allah his death shall 37:32.360 --> 37:34.800 bring you could support this holocaust 37:34.800 --> 37:38.800 you know, that's 100 years old, you know, or whatever. 37:38.800 --> 37:40.800 Well, I mean, you'd have to go back even further 37:40.800 --> 37:42.800 to have been part of that. 37:43.600 --> 37:48.520 Alright. Well, a lot of these passages, I want to shift gears to some different verses, 37:48.520 --> 37:50.480 because a lot of these passages, like in Isaiah... 37:50.480 --> 37:51.760 Because they're all the same? 37:51.760 --> 37:52.760 Yeah, they're... 37:52.760 --> 37:54.760 They're all easily debunked. 37:54.760 --> 37:59.080 Well, the thing is, as you described, though, they're just anachronistically applying them 37:59.080 --> 38:04.000 to 1948, when they're really about the return from captivity. 38:04.000 --> 38:09.200 But something that I hear a lot is, like, I think it's derived from Zechariah 2.8, where 38:09.200 --> 38:10.200 it says, 38:10.200 --> 38:11.600 For thus saith the Lord of hosts. 38:11.600 --> 38:16.280 after the glory had sent me unto the nations which spoiled you for he that 38:16.280 --> 38:21.120 toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye." And so they say well Israel is the 38:21.120 --> 38:22.520 apple of God's eye. 38:22.520 --> 38:25.840 Anachronistic. I just need a button. Anachronistic. 38:25.840 --> 38:31.360 Yeah, back then Israel was the apple of God's eye. And in a sense Israel 38:31.360 --> 38:34.320 is still the apple of God's eye if we're talking about spiritual Israel. 38:34.320 --> 38:37.320 They are not all Israel which are all of Israel. 38:37.500 --> 38:41.820 I'm the apple of God's eye because I'm a Christian. 38:41.820 --> 38:46.700 Again, how does this apply even in that specific time? 38:46.700 --> 38:52.460 Because there's plenty of people that slaughter Israel, God goes against Israel, God divorces 38:52.460 --> 38:53.460 Israel. 38:53.460 --> 38:57.700 I mean, how does this even work if you're going to apply this even at this specific 38:57.700 --> 38:58.700 time? 38:58.700 --> 39:02.180 Let's just say we don't go and retroactively apply this to 1948. 39:02.180 --> 39:04.380 Let's just stick within the text. 39:04.380 --> 39:05.500 There's been many times where... 39:05.500 --> 39:11.740 Israel's been afflicted and God has even himself brought all kinds of curses upon them. 39:11.740 --> 39:17.700 So again, I think you would have to interpret this as spiritual Israel just to even make 39:17.700 --> 39:22.220 sense of it in the Old Testament alone, let alone how you would apply it into the future. 39:23.800 --> 39:26.640 I mean, what does it even mean to be the apple of his eye? 39:26.640 --> 39:29.760 It's just special love, special affection. 39:29.760 --> 39:32.900 You know, how can anyone believe that there's someone 39:32.900 --> 39:36.420 that God loves more in 2026 39:36.420 --> 39:39.440 than his children saved born again Christian? 39:39.440 --> 39:40.280 The children of God. 39:40.280 --> 39:44.820 So I'm supposed to believe that God loves unsaved Jews 39:44.820 --> 39:47.580 more than he loves his own saved children, 39:47.580 --> 39:49.960 that he's gonna give an eternity in heaven. 39:49.960 --> 39:51.800 He loves these people he's sending to hell. 39:51.800 --> 39:56.560 more? They're the apple of his eye? No, I'm the apple of God's eye. You're the 39:56.560 --> 40:00.680 apple of God's eye. You viewer at home that is a born-again child, you are the 40:00.680 --> 40:01.900 apple of God's eye. 40:02.400 --> 40:09.160 I mean, doesn't God command us that we should do good unto all men, but especially under 40:09.160 --> 40:10.320 the household of faith? 40:10.320 --> 40:14.800 But then God is going to hypocritically not do good unto the household of faith especially. 40:14.800 --> 40:19.720 He's going to especially do good unto Christ-hating Jews, and then we're second place. 40:19.720 --> 40:24.000 Why didn't he tell us, treat Jews the best and then treat Christians second, if that's 40:24.000 --> 40:25.280 what he's supposedly doing? 40:25.280 --> 40:29.440 No, I think that what God's doing up in heaven is exactly what he told us to do, to do good 40:29.440 --> 40:30.400 unto all men. 40:30.400 --> 40:30.600 you 40:30.700 --> 40:33.140 but especially those of the household of faith. 40:33.140 --> 40:34.540 God is doing good unto all men. 40:34.540 --> 40:36.980 He's sending his rain on the just and on the unjust. 40:36.980 --> 40:38.620 He's giving everybody blessings, 40:38.620 --> 40:39.820 but who does he bless most? 40:39.820 --> 40:42.620 Does he bless unsaved people or saved people most? 40:42.620 --> 40:45.060 Well, I want to inject here, you know, 40:45.060 --> 40:46.660 just to not steal your thunder, 40:46.660 --> 40:49.140 but one of the things that I've heard brought up is they say, 40:49.140 --> 40:51.460 well, here's the thing. 40:51.460 --> 40:54.860 Jesus brought in this new covenant and we're his bride, 40:54.860 --> 40:58.700 but God, the Father, has his covenant with the Jews. 40:58.700 --> 41:03.700 and you know they're special and you know going back to kind of this thing 41:03.700 --> 41:11.220 we were discussing obviously when you have Balaam trying to curse God's people 41:11.220 --> 41:14.620 he doesn't allow it to come to pass and and we could argue that there's 41:14.620 --> 41:17.700 probably for sure some unsaved people in the crowd 41:17.800 --> 41:20.700 But it kind of seems like they're just kind of under the umbrella 41:20.700 --> 41:25.600 because the whole group is just getting the protection from the saved group, 41:25.600 --> 41:27.600 from the saved, from the spiritual Israel. 41:27.600 --> 41:30.100 But don't they all get cursed in the next chapter? 41:30.400 --> 41:34.800 Yeah, but I'm just saying in general if we say like Baelam was unable to curse them, right? 41:34.800 --> 41:38.960 Yeah, but if they were able to curse themselves though, because in the next chapter they fornicate. 41:38.960 --> 41:43.520 Obviously they can bring curse upon themselves. I'm just simply saying that, you know, taking 41:43.520 --> 41:48.640 these little cherry-picked ideas of like, well Baelam couldn't curse them and they're the apple of God's eye. 41:48.640 --> 41:54.480 That's like saying Steadfast can't be cursed. There could be some bozo. I mean, I know you've 41:54.480 --> 41:58.320 never had any bozos in Steadfast. Really? Like let's say you had some weird 41:58.400 --> 41:59.960 weird bozo infiltrator. 41:59.960 --> 42:00.960 All the normal people left. 42:00.960 --> 42:06.600 So if you had some weird bozo infiltrator in steadfast, does that mean that God is just 42:06.600 --> 42:09.440 going to like curse steadfast or not bless? 42:09.440 --> 42:10.760 You know, in general... 42:11.100 --> 42:18.720 Steadfast it consists of the people of God and so no weapon that is formed against that church is going to prosper, okay? 42:19.060 --> 42:24.700 You know that doesn't mean every single individual is righteous or saved or whatever 42:24.900 --> 42:29.180 It's the same thing with the nation of Israel the nation of Israel is the church in the wilderness 42:29.180 --> 42:35.060 Well, this is the point that I want to make okay is it seems like Balaam kind of fails right right? 42:35.060 --> 42:39.100 And then you have God himself wanting to you know if you go back a little bit further God himself wanted 42:39.100 --> 42:41.340 to destroy people in Sodom and Gomorrah, 42:41.340 --> 42:42.800 and the thing holding him back 42:42.800 --> 42:45.040 is Lot being in that crowd. 42:45.040 --> 42:47.300 So once he's removed, then it's like, 42:47.300 --> 42:49.340 okay, now I'm basically gonna pour out my wrath. 42:49.340 --> 42:51.480 So the saved have been removed from Israel. 42:51.480 --> 42:52.320 Exactly. 42:52.320 --> 42:54.280 This is an excellent point that you've made. 42:54.280 --> 42:57.860 This is a fresh point that has just been made, 42:57.860 --> 42:59.580 is that basically, like, you know, 42:59.580 --> 43:02.720 the ten righteous that would prevent Sodom 43:02.720 --> 43:03.960 from being destroyed. 43:03.960 --> 43:07.100 Basically, all of the righteous people have left Judaism. 43:07.100 --> 43:12.300 Judaism and gone to Christianity exactly so it's just it's all Sodom exactly 43:12.340 --> 43:16.660 It's all toast all of his people were joining the New Testament Church 43:16.660 --> 43:22.940 So then basically tons of those that say so then it like removes the protection amen and then in 70 AD 43:22.940 --> 43:28.240 It's just basically coming Sodom and Gomorrah, and it just basically wiped out. I mean I love that point 43:28.240 --> 43:33.100 I think I think that that's a powerful point if if the viewer at home can grasp it 43:33.700 --> 43:38.020 You know, it's, you know, and I know that our crowd has no problem grasping it. 43:38.260 --> 43:43.700 I just hope that the haters who are watching this, you know, are, are, are getting this. 43:43.700 --> 43:44.740 I hope they're taking notes. 43:44.740 --> 43:46.420 But again, I want to then bring that back. 43:46.420 --> 43:51.460 So, so does that mean then like God had this special covenant with the Jews and it's still 43:51.460 --> 43:55.780 in effect and then he, and then like now it's like, you know, Jesus has his church, 43:55.780 --> 43:57.700 but God the father has his Jews. 43:57.700 --> 43:59.220 Like where, where's this idea coming from? 43:59.220 --> 44:01.460 Like that, to me, to me, that's the same. 44:01.700 --> 44:09.140 kind of dumb blasphemy as saying, oh, well, God the Father hates us and is mean and it's 44:09.140 --> 44:10.940 Jesus who loves us in the name of God. 44:10.940 --> 44:17.820 I mean, Pastor Jack Scott, shortly before his downfall and trip to federal prison, when 44:17.820 --> 44:23.020 he was preaching all this weird heresy, you know, Jack Scott preached a sermon where he 44:23.020 --> 44:23.900 was like... 44:24.200 --> 44:29.540 Playing out this argument between Jesus and God the Father and he has God the Father saying I hate 44:30.040 --> 44:34.080 Them like I hate the people of earth and then Jesus like I'll go die for them 44:34.400 --> 44:38.880 And he's like, well, I'll save them for your sake. 44:38.880 --> 44:41.720 And God the Father doesn't love them at all. 44:41.720 --> 44:42.640 How is that not? 44:42.640 --> 44:44.640 He's saving people for Jesus' sake. 44:44.640 --> 44:47.040 And a bunch of people called him out on it, 44:47.040 --> 44:49.800 but he was too popular at the time. 44:49.800 --> 44:52.520 And so people just kind of made excuses for it. 44:52.520 --> 44:54.520 The sermon was called For Christ's Sake. 44:54.600 --> 44:59.240 Which I didn't like the title because that's often used as an expletive. It almost sounded like a 44:59.240 --> 45:02.600 Christ name in vain. But the sermon is called For Christ's sake. And the whole point is like, 45:02.600 --> 45:07.240 God the Father is saving us for Christ's sake. You know? And it was a super weird sermon. But 45:07.240 --> 45:12.920 this is how a lot of people think though. Where they think, God the Father is just all justice. 45:12.920 --> 45:20.600 He's super holy, super mean, and just, it's just fulfill the law. And then Jesus is the one who's 45:20.600 --> 45:22.440 is like, whoa, hey. 45:22.600 --> 45:25.400 Let's calm down. I'll do it. I'll take the punishment. 45:25.400 --> 45:28.680 All that Jesus all love and God the Father is just wrath. 45:28.680 --> 45:32.360 This is stupid. The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 45:32.360 --> 45:35.720 I mean, God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. 45:35.720 --> 45:36.760 Yeah, it's all you need. 45:36.760 --> 45:39.720 It's God the Father that loves the world and sends the Son. 45:39.720 --> 45:43.160 Okay. And so the thing is, you know, Jesus is the one saying, 45:43.160 --> 45:45.560 I'm letting not my will, but thine be done. 45:45.560 --> 45:50.440 Like, yeah, you know, this is God the Father just as much as it's Jesus who... 45:50.600 --> 45:52.100 He wants to save and love. 45:52.100 --> 45:53.220 And it's the same thing. 45:53.220 --> 45:55.300 New Testament God versus Old Testament God 45:55.300 --> 45:56.860 is a stupid dichotomy. 45:56.860 --> 45:59.340 Father versus son and trying to give them 45:59.340 --> 46:00.980 like a different attitude. 46:00.980 --> 46:03.220 This is garbage heresy. 46:03.220 --> 46:05.820 And so it's like, well, you know, God the Father, 46:05.820 --> 46:10.540 he's really into Jews, but Jesus is really into Christians. 46:10.540 --> 46:13.940 I mean, this is just stupid, heretical blasphemy 46:13.940 --> 46:17.260 and saying, oh, he's the two different brides. 46:17.260 --> 46:18.600 Like God the Father's over. 46:18.600 --> 46:20.920 here with his bride and then Jesus. 46:20.920 --> 46:24.860 It's like bro, Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. 46:24.860 --> 46:25.860 Right. 46:25.860 --> 46:28.260 You know, Jesus is Jehovah God. 46:28.260 --> 46:33.220 You know, the father, the son and the Holy Ghost are all operating in both testaments. 46:33.220 --> 46:37.880 It's not like that's a modalist doctrine that says, yeah, Old Testament is the father. 46:38.500 --> 46:45.540 you know, time of Christ is time of Christ, and then, you know, now church age is the Holy Spirit. 46:45.540 --> 46:50.580 That's like a modalist doctrine where we're going from one person to the other when we go from 46:50.580 --> 46:56.420 testament to testament. It's garbage, okay? It's all three all the time. Do you want to say something? 46:56.420 --> 47:02.020 There's so many verses that flood the mind in this idea. How about John 6, 38, where he says, 47:02.020 --> 47:06.460 Because for I came down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of heaven. 47:06.500 --> 47:08.940 You're still flabbergasted by the Scop Sermon. 47:08.940 --> 47:12.540 Well, John 3.16, like the most famous verse in the Bible, 47:12.540 --> 47:14.820 you're basically preaching the antithesis 47:14.820 --> 47:16.780 of the most famous verse in the Bible. 47:16.780 --> 47:18.700 Bro, we talked about that two or three minutes ago, though. 47:18.700 --> 47:19.740 We're off the Scop Sermon. 47:19.740 --> 47:21.500 I haven't left the Scop Tray. 47:21.500 --> 47:22.980 You're still just like, how did it? 47:22.980 --> 47:23.780 What did he say? 47:23.780 --> 47:25.620 How did it even? 47:25.620 --> 47:28.020 And people wonder, like, why you left the church. 47:28.020 --> 47:30.220 I mean, good night. 47:30.220 --> 47:31.940 Well, we're talking about objections 47:31.940 --> 47:33.020 to replacement theology. 47:33.020 --> 47:34.220 And just along these lines. 47:34.500 --> 47:36.660 Of course, Dinesh D'Souza on X, 47:36.660 --> 47:38.880 he said that if you believe in replacement theology, 47:38.880 --> 47:41.680 you're replacing God the Father with Jesus. 47:41.680 --> 47:44.220 Is he even claiming to be a Christian? 47:44.220 --> 47:46.020 Yeah, I don't know his view on Christianity. 47:46.020 --> 47:48.780 I think he does, he does claim Christianity. 47:48.780 --> 47:49.620 I'm almost positive he does. 47:49.620 --> 47:52.180 Because he posts just the, every time he gives- 47:52.180 --> 47:53.620 Some of the most bizarre theological takes. 47:53.620 --> 47:56.260 Every time Dinesh D'Souza gives a Bible take, 47:56.260 --> 47:57.820 it's like the worst take. 47:57.820 --> 47:59.540 It's really bad. It's horrific. 47:59.540 --> 48:00.100 But- 48:00.100 --> 48:04.000 Let's get back to some it's like it's like listening to Trump talk about the Bible. Wow 48:05.340 --> 48:10.020 He knows got better than anybody. Yeah, if you have any questions, you can post them in the chat 48:10.020 --> 48:12.680 Or if you have another one, I want to ask sure 48:12.680 --> 48:14.020 I just want just getting our audience 48:14.020 --> 48:18.600 If our audience wants to post something in the chat if they want to ask us a question or if they have 48:18.900 --> 48:23.740 Something they hear and their churches or their pastors bringing up we'd love to debunk it live 48:23.740 --> 48:27.940 So just put that in the chat. I'm trying to just use some passages that maybe we don't always talk about 48:28.100 --> 48:30.860 Because we talk about Genesis 12 a lot, Romans 11. 48:30.860 --> 48:36.640 But in Numbers 24, in verse 9, Balaam says at the end of the verse, blessed is he that 48:36.640 --> 48:41.460 blessed thee, and cursed is he that cursed thee. 48:41.900 --> 48:44.500 Excuse me. I'm a little under the weather. Yeah, I know exactly what yeah 48:44.500 --> 48:50.740 So there's they're saying this clearly is in reference to Israel and they connect it with Genesis 48:50.740 --> 48:56.680 Yeah, they're saying he's taking the Genesis 12 promised Abraham and he's applying it to the nation of Israel 48:56.680 --> 49:01.580 Yeah, here's why because Jesus is the one who brought them into the promised land 49:01.740 --> 49:03.740 They followed that rock 49:04.100 --> 49:09.520 Remember the rock where they got the water from the rock that followed them that rock was Christ Christ is 49:09.900 --> 49:12.980 Welling among the church in the wilderness 49:12.980 --> 49:15.580 in the 40 year wanderings, 49:15.580 --> 49:17.460 as they go into the promised land, 49:17.460 --> 49:20.380 Jesus Christ is in the midst, according to the New Testament. 49:20.380 --> 49:22.340 He was the rock that followed them. 49:22.340 --> 49:23.840 He led them into the promised land. 49:23.840 --> 49:27.580 Joshua, his name literally means Jesus. 49:27.580 --> 49:30.840 Like it's the same name, the Hebrew versus the Greek. 49:30.840 --> 49:33.500 Joshua represents Jesus and everything. 49:33.500 --> 49:36.660 So again, just same button, anachronistic. 49:36.660 --> 49:37.900 At that time. 49:37.900 --> 49:43.620 You could apply that to them because you can always apply the Genesis 12 promise to whoever is in Christ 49:44.180 --> 49:49.740 Whoever is the people of God right now? We're the people of God. We're in Jesus Christ 49:49.980 --> 49:51.620 We inherit the promise of Abraham 49:51.620 --> 49:58.300 I mean think about do they actually believe that we're claiming that those people did not inherit the promises of Abraham 49:58.740 --> 50:03.900 Obviously if you're in if we're to get a time machine and we're amongst the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness 50:04.380 --> 50:05.900 following Moses the 50:05.900 --> 50:12.060 cloudy pillar, is anybody really gonna claim these people don't inherit the promises of 50:12.060 --> 50:18.300 Abraham? Of course they do. Of course they are God's people at that time. They are in 50:18.300 --> 50:19.020 Christ. 50:19.700 --> 50:21.220 Well, they're the church in the wilderness. 50:21.220 --> 50:22.220 They're the church in the wilderness. 50:22.220 --> 50:24.580 They're looking forward to the cross of Christ. 50:24.580 --> 50:27.180 They were God's people at that time. 50:27.180 --> 50:28.180 Now they're not. 50:28.180 --> 50:30.120 And so it proves nothing. 50:30.120 --> 50:31.120 And here's the thing. 50:31.120 --> 50:35.580 You know, if this is such a gotcha, you'd hear a lot more emphasis on Numbers 24, but 50:35.580 --> 50:36.580 you don't. 50:36.580 --> 50:37.580 You know what you hear the emphasis on? 50:37.580 --> 50:39.300 Genesis 12. 50:39.300 --> 50:45.440 And the reason why is because Genesis 12 is the unconditional promise made to Abraham. 50:45.440 --> 50:47.700 They want that to be about Jews. 50:47.700 --> 50:54.660 so bad. They want that to be about his physical descendants. So bad. Galatians three just destroys 50:54.660 --> 51:00.500 that idea and just says the seed is Christ. If you're in Christ, you're Abraham seed question. 51:00.500 --> 51:08.020 Were those people at that time in Christ? Answer. Yes, they're worshiping the Lord. They're drinking 51:08.020 --> 51:14.020 water from the rock, which represents the living water coming from Jesus Christ. That's what first 51:14.020 --> 51:15.700 Corinthians 10 says those. 51:15.700 --> 51:20.600 people are in Christ, church in the wilderness, baptized in the cloud and in the sea. 51:20.600 --> 51:22.780 I mean, yeah, I mean, who's arguing with that? 51:22.780 --> 51:23.780 No one. 51:23.780 --> 51:25.440 And we think about them being in the wilderness. 51:25.440 --> 51:30.040 One of the most famous stories is how they were bitten by serpents and then they lift 51:30.040 --> 51:36.200 up this serpent on a stick, serpent on the stake, and it's basically look and live the 51:36.200 --> 51:37.600 famous hymn that we have. 51:37.600 --> 51:43.560 Well, that specific story is then brought up by Jesus Christ in John chapter number 51:43.700 --> 51:49.900 Yep to point to the fact that he should you know believe in Jesus Christ to be saved and he's explaining this to a 51:50.580 --> 51:56.500 Teacher of the law someone that's supposed to know the Old Testament and it's supposed to have already believed these things 51:56.660 --> 52:03.460 He's like saying art thou master of Israel and know us not these things meaning that you should have already known John 3 16 52:04.060 --> 52:11.300 Before John 3 16 was ever pinned down before Jesus Christ even said it to this Pharisee. You should have already 52:11.700 --> 52:14.140 that that was the mode of salvation. 52:14.140 --> 52:16.020 That was the way to believe in Jesus Christ. 52:16.020 --> 52:17.740 Well, it was probably already there. 52:17.740 --> 52:19.300 So all these people in the Old Testament 52:19.300 --> 52:21.260 are believing the same gospel. 52:21.260 --> 52:22.580 They were saved. 52:22.580 --> 52:25.100 They don't have a new IFB church to go to. 52:25.100 --> 52:26.540 They are the church. 52:26.540 --> 52:28.180 Are those people in heaven or not? 52:28.180 --> 52:29.180 Absolutely. 52:29.180 --> 52:30.980 Not all of them, but a lot of them. 52:30.980 --> 52:32.540 Not everyone in my church or your church 52:32.540 --> 52:34.540 is going to heaven either, but in general, 52:34.540 --> 52:36.940 the church is an assembly of born again, 52:36.940 --> 52:39.260 baptized, saved believers, okay? 52:39.260 --> 52:39.700 Thank you. 52:39.700 --> 52:43.300 And so the thing is, those people at that time, 52:43.300 --> 52:47.180 they're in heaven in general because they believed in Christ. 52:47.180 --> 52:48.420 And that's why they got to enter. 52:48.420 --> 52:49.700 Remember the previous generation, 52:49.700 --> 52:51.240 why couldn't they enter the promised land? 52:51.240 --> 52:53.300 They could not enter because of unbelief. 52:53.300 --> 52:55.700 That's the generation that did believe. 52:55.800 --> 53:01.160 Right? And they do go into the promise of, because they believe, which means that they're saved, 53:01.160 --> 53:06.440 which means that they're in Christ. So do I have any problem with Balaam applying the Genesis 12 53:06.440 --> 53:12.680 promise? Of course not. I mean, is it was King David in on the Genesis 12 promise? 53:13.000 --> 53:14.440 Absolutely. Of course. 53:14.440 --> 53:15.160 Because he believed. 53:15.160 --> 53:18.780 We're not saying, oh, it just applied to Abraham, then it just applies to no one, 53:18.780 --> 53:20.780 and then all of a sudden it applies to Christians. 53:20.780 --> 53:26.000 No, in every era, it applies to the saved people of God. 53:26.000 --> 53:28.500 In all times, all eras. 53:28.500 --> 53:30.400 That's when it's going to apply. 53:30.600 --> 53:36.240 Well, in Galatians 3 is an important passage because admittedly there are sections in Genesis, 53:36.240 --> 53:41.840 you know, chapter 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, as it keeps going on, that is describing the physical 53:41.840 --> 53:47.720 descendants going into Egypt and being afflicted and multiplying and coming out. 53:47.720 --> 53:52.600 And so I think it's easy for them to try and conflate some of those promises, some of those 53:52.600 --> 53:56.400 instructions, some of those prophecies about the physical descendants going down there 53:56.400 --> 53:58.600 and mixing that in with this ever-living prophecy. 53:58.600 --> 54:09.600 The problem is that when you go to Galatians chapter number three, it makes it clear that Abraham's seed was not seeds, meaning plural, but seed singular, which is Christ. 54:09.600 --> 54:16.600 And again, a lot of the modern versions change some of these wordings, and they'll even say descendants, plural. 54:16.600 --> 54:18.600 And they become self-contradictory even within themselves. 54:18.600 --> 54:25.600 Exactly. And so they're easier even to twist in the Old Testament as far as like trying to... 54:26.300 --> 54:30.460 put this with other Jews physically and take it away from Christ. 54:30.460 --> 54:33.260 If you look it up in Hebrew, it's singular word seed. 54:33.260 --> 54:35.260 Just like Paul said, shock. 54:35.260 --> 54:37.020 It's just singular seed. 54:37.020 --> 54:39.260 But then the modern version come along and put descendants. 54:39.900 --> 54:43.020 Because they think you're too stupid to understand what seed means. 54:43.020 --> 54:45.020 So, well, we just got to put descendants. 54:45.020 --> 54:51.020 And then they ruin the cross-reference with Galatians 3.16, which is just wow. 54:51.500 --> 54:53.500 Who makes these decisions? 54:53.500 --> 54:56.500 Like, why can't you just literally translate the word seed 54:56.500 --> 54:58.220 so that Galatians three matches? 54:58.220 --> 55:00.820 It's like they're just purposely trying to make it 55:00.820 --> 55:01.860 contradict or something. 55:01.860 --> 55:03.800 I mean, it's madness. 55:03.900 --> 55:08.620 Well, and they probably are on different committees and didn't talk and you know that's part of the problem there 55:08.620 --> 55:12.760 But you know that's why we made the shirts for our conference Abraham's seed is Christ 55:12.760 --> 55:17.880 But even if they didn't talk wouldn't you expect the guy on the Old Testament committee to know what relations 3 says because he's like 55:17.880 --> 55:21.260 Read it well if he saved you know, but probably not 55:21.800 --> 55:27.440 So, obviously, again, the King James translation, they actually, once they had sections done, 55:27.440 --> 55:30.560 they're like all reading it in groups and they're having group review. 55:30.560 --> 55:31.560 Yeah, obviously. 55:31.560 --> 55:35.920 And they're comparing it with other languages and they're trying to like make sure that 55:35.920 --> 55:36.920 it's dialed in. 55:36.920 --> 55:39.120 You have to make it one cohesive whole in the end. 55:39.120 --> 55:41.880 And again, their goal was one exact translation. 55:42.200 --> 55:45.200 Which, you know, the King James didn't have multiple revisions. 55:45.200 --> 55:50.200 Isn't it interesting now, even the NIV and some of these other modern versions, they're constantly iterating, 55:50.200 --> 55:53.200 they have to constantly update, they have to constantly change. 55:53.200 --> 55:59.200 I mean, do we really have to go from, you know, 1980 English to 2011 English? 55:59.200 --> 56:06.200 Yeah, because there was a major revision from the 1984 NIV to the 2011 NIV, yeah. 56:06.200 --> 56:07.200 What was the reason for that? 56:07.200 --> 56:10.200 Well, the main reason was to make the language 56:10.200 --> 56:13.560 more gender neutral. I mean that's if you look at the biggest difference between 56:13.560 --> 56:18.680 the 84 and IV in the 2011 and IV is they're getting rid of words like he and 56:18.680 --> 56:24.720 him and and making it more gender neutral and using neutral language yeah 56:24.720 --> 56:29.880 because that's you know the language is changing unfortunately for some people I 56:29.880 --> 56:34.000 mean some of us are still using pronouns the same way 56:34.000 --> 56:37.680 Oy vey, what kind of gender neutral Bible is this? 56:37.680 --> 56:38.680 I'm not making this up. 56:38.680 --> 56:44.080 It's in the intro also to the 2011 NIV saying that that's what the change is. 56:44.080 --> 56:47.160 You know, do you think we need a new gender neutral Bible? 56:47.160 --> 56:48.680 Or like, what are your thoughts on this? 56:48.680 --> 56:49.680 No, obviously not. 56:49.680 --> 56:51.080 Put that in the trash. 56:51.080 --> 56:57.000 I would just point out that the critical text, I'm sorry, for the modern versions, they're 56:57.000 --> 57:01.340 predicated on the 28th edition of Nestle Allen's Greek New Testament. 57:01.340 --> 57:02.000 So that means they were. 57:02.000 --> 57:07.580 27 ones that preceded it that tells you how many revisions and changes had to occur for them 57:07.580 --> 57:13.760 Whereas we're just you know using the unchanging and that's like one century. That's over the course of like one century that 28 57:13.760 --> 57:16.180 I I know the pastor interested loves debates 57:16.180 --> 57:22.340 But you know I'm just kind of curious is there is there ever really been a debate on this particular issue in? 57:22.540 --> 57:26.600 Recent years where we've really seen it seems like the other side this issue 57:26.600 --> 57:29.740 I'm just saying like this is your design is a yeah Zionism versus replacement. Yeah 57:30.000 --> 57:33.000 You see all these debates about like... 57:33.000 --> 57:37.000 Catholicism, Protestantism, Sholofide, Flat Earth... 57:37.000 --> 57:42.000 You see the Bible version. I thought you were talking about the Bible version, because there's definitely a lot of debates about the Bible version issue. 57:42.000 --> 57:45.000 You're talking about Zionism versus non-Zionism. 57:45.000 --> 57:49.000 Because I just feel like we're struggling to even have enough points. 57:49.000 --> 57:54.000 Because I just don't even know what this would look like if actually it was flat formed. 57:54.000 --> 57:58.000 You know, the dispensational, pro-Israel, Zionist... 57:58.000 --> 58:00.920 and his doctrine is, it has expired. 58:01.400 --> 58:02.600 And it stinks. 58:02.600 --> 58:05.400 Because it's like the hotel room. 58:05.400 --> 58:07.400 And I'm staying there right now. 58:07.400 --> 58:08.400 Anyway. 58:08.400 --> 58:11.400 I don't know why our hotel room just has a weird smell. 58:11.400 --> 58:13.400 It's like five minutes. 58:13.400 --> 58:15.400 He has like a goal to hate Texas. 58:15.400 --> 58:18.400 So he tries to pick the worst places to stay and eat. 58:18.400 --> 58:19.400 Just so he can continue. 58:19.400 --> 58:20.400 To reinforce that. 58:20.400 --> 58:21.400 Yeah, to continue. 58:21.400 --> 58:24.400 It's like basically if I just picked the most Zionist churches in the world. 58:24.400 --> 58:27.400 And just like there's no good churches in the world. 58:27.400 --> 58:29.400 There's no good churches. 58:29.400 --> 58:34.260 I'm going you know the thing is when the milk is expired it starts to stink 58:34.840 --> 58:38.980 You know and everybody starts to realize it. You know you don't have to be pregnant 58:39.600 --> 58:44.560 To have that super tuned in nose. You know you know pregnant women like they this is a little off 58:44.560 --> 58:49.200 You know they just like they got like a superhuman scent and taste hey 58:49.800 --> 58:52.560 This thing expired, okay? 58:52.560 --> 58:55.040 Let's talk about the elephant in the room 58:55.040 --> 58:57.960 that the dispensationalist told us. 58:58.100 --> 59:01.120 This is the generation. This is the fig tree 59:01.980 --> 59:07.240 1948 this generation shall not pass they come into the land and unbelief 59:07.240 --> 59:11.480 He brings them into the land and unbelief. He gives he takes out the heart of stone 59:11.500 --> 59:15.260 He replaces it with a heart of flesh. He will give them a heart 59:15.300 --> 59:22.920 They are gonna turn to Christ on mass and get saved yet that generation went to the grave blaspheming Jesus 59:23.340 --> 59:26.020 from 1948 all the way until they die 59:26.100 --> 59:31.320 in the 90s and 2000 they were blaspheming and hating Christ all the 59:31.320 --> 59:36.380 way to the end. It's a failed prophecy. When somebody makes a prophecy and it 59:36.380 --> 59:41.880 doesn't come to pass we should say okay this guy was full of crap. Like like you 59:41.880 --> 59:46.380 can you can understand why people in the 20th century believe this because if you 59:46.380 --> 59:49.500 saw Israel becoming a nation it would have been really dramatic. 59:49.600 --> 59:54.840 Like, wow, the Hebrew language, dead language for almost 2,000 years, resurrected. 59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.440 I think that in my opinion that's unprecedented in the history of mankind to take a dead language, 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.960 meaning that it has no speakers who speak this as their normal at-home language. 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:06.800 That's what it means to be a dead language. 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:07.800 Okay. 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.120 Nobody speaks this as their first language at home. 01:00:10.120 --> 01:00:11.120 Okay. 01:00:11.120 --> 01:00:12.120 Until 1882. 01:00:12.120 --> 01:00:12.960 I'm good. 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.600 To resurrect that now it has like 6 million speakers? 01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:20.760 Native speakers? I mean, I don't think anything like that's happened in the history of mankind. 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.040 And so you can understand why the boomers saw this. 01:00:24.040 --> 01:00:29.800 And they saw just the dramatic, you know, them coming into the land, winning all these battles, 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:33.080 taking over the land, and then there are rumors about them getting saved, 01:00:33.080 --> 01:00:37.720 and we're going to send all these missionaries over there, Jews for Jesus, and all, you know, 01:00:37.720 --> 01:00:40.200 all this stuff, Messianic, blah blah blah. 01:00:41.500 --> 01:00:44.260 But it's time to wake up from the dream. 01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:47.300 It was a fun fairy tale. 01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:48.300 It's over. 01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:53.260 The doctrine is anachronistic in and of itself because it's a 20th century doctrine. 01:00:53.260 --> 01:00:56.400 In the 21st century, it makes no sense. 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:59.740 If you're still believing in it, you're just this stuck. 01:01:00.200 --> 01:01:05.160 old person who's stuck on something that's from the past that doesn't make sense anymore. 01:01:05.160 --> 01:01:10.520 And so I think that when the boomer generation is gone, this doctrine will go away. 01:01:10.520 --> 01:01:14.360 Yeah, and I don't think they're willing to be challenged on this. They don't engage, 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.880 they're not doing debates, they don't even have good apologists. I mean, 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:23.000 when we think about the big names that are advocating for this, it's kind of a joke list. 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.120 I mean, is there anybody that's even kind of serious that's just like a big proponent of design? 01:01:28.200 --> 01:01:30.600 someone that's not like a John Hagee or something? 01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:33.680 I mean, the weirdest people, John Hagee and Greg Locke. 01:01:33.680 --> 01:01:34.520 Yeah, Greg Locke. 01:01:34.520 --> 01:01:35.360 Those are the two names that come to mind. 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.760 I was gonna bring up Greg Locke as well. 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:38.880 Didn't Greg Locke act like he was gonna maybe do a debate 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:40.000 on this and then he just chickened out? 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.680 No, I don't think he chickened out. 01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:44.680 He, they asked him, they asked him, 01:01:44.680 --> 01:01:48.440 hey, would you like to debate someone on this issue, 01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.320 like who's against your position? 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.640 And he's like, yeah, like someone like Steve Anderson? 01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:54.640 Yeah, he actually called out my- 01:01:54.640 --> 01:01:55.960 I think he did name drop you. 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:56.200 I don't- 01:01:56.200 --> 01:01:57.400 I don't do debates. 01:01:57.400 --> 01:01:57.900 Sure. 01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:58.860 I'm not going to do debates. 01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.360 Debates are stupid in my opinion. 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:01.980 I'm not against you doing them or anyone else, 01:02:01.980 --> 01:02:04.000 but it's just I think they're stupid. 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:04.920 I don't like them. 01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.000 I'm not interested. 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.460 You know, because to me, there is no debate. 01:02:07.460 --> 01:02:08.260 I already won. 01:02:08.260 --> 01:02:09.800 I'm just declaring myself the winner 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:11.400 right now of the debate. 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.880 Because I get up and preach the truth on this subject, 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.200 and you know what? 01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:17.920 There is no argument from the other side. 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:19.400 And I'm not going to dignify. 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:22.200 An unrepentant adulterer? 01:02:22.200 --> 01:02:24.600 This guy who ran off with the church secretary, 01:02:24.600 --> 01:02:27.000 this slime bag, this scumbag. 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.560 I'm not going to sit and be cordial with him. 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.000 You know, I'm gonna treat him the way I treated 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.000 Ken Hoeven that one time you had me on the episode. 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.000 I'm just saying, like, in a debate, you have to have 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.000 some kind of decorum. 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:40.000 Really? You should just desire that. 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.000 I'm just saying, like, 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.000 First of all, I don't do debates, 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.000 but second of all, if I did, 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.000 I would have to debate someone 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.000 that I actually had respect for. 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.000 You know what I'd have to have some respect for? 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.000 Not just the sleazy scumbag. 01:02:56.100 --> 01:02:59.780 You know, it's just like, I'm not going to even give that guy the time of day. 01:02:59.780 --> 01:03:00.780 Sure. 01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:01.780 You know. 01:03:01.780 --> 01:03:02.780 Well, maybe you could debate Pastor Shelley on Texas. 01:03:02.780 --> 01:03:03.780 See, here's one... 01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:09.380 I'm just going to give a clear victory on that one, for sure. 01:03:09.380 --> 01:03:10.380 I mean, here's the thing. 01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:15.060 I think that, you know, again, I don't do debates of no interest. 01:03:15.060 --> 01:03:16.060 Yeah. 01:03:16.060 --> 01:03:17.780 If I were to do a debate... 01:03:18.200 --> 01:03:21.480 I think that in order to have a debate that makes sense, 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.200 you have to have some common ground with the person you're debating. 01:03:24.200 --> 01:03:27.960 So like, if I were to debate someone on the Zionism issue, 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:36.520 I wouldn't debate some tongue-talking, holy roller, exorcist, adulterer. 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.240 Who calls himself an apostle. 01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:43.360 Who calls himself an apostle, who practices exorcisms in his church, and just has all 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:50.080 this wild, crazy, holy rolling going on, you know, with his church secretary that he's 01:03:50.080 --> 01:03:51.080 called. 01:03:51.080 --> 01:03:52.080 Well she's an apostle too. 01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:57.640 But here's the thing, what would make sense is to have a debate between two people who 01:03:57.640 --> 01:04:01.320 are both independent fundamental bapists, like what would make the most sense is to 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.800 find someone who believed as closely as we do as possible and everything else. 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.280 else who just disagrees on this one issue. 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:09.000 Right. 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.000 Like someone like Phil Stringer, like Dr. Stringer. 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:11.960 Yeah, exactly. 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.040 Because it's sort of like, and then that's 01:04:14.040 --> 01:04:15.420 someone that you could be nice to. 01:04:15.420 --> 01:04:15.920 Right. 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:17.960 Because Dr. Phil Stringer disagrees with us, 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:19.000 but we like him. 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.440 He's a nice guy. 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:21.920 He's not a bad person. 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.040 He believes like that. 01:04:23.040 --> 01:04:24.560 What if it was a discussion? 01:04:24.560 --> 01:04:25.920 We should just have a discussion. 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.680 We should get Dr. Stringer to have a discussion 01:04:28.680 --> 01:04:32.200 with Pastor Anderson on Zionism, bad despise. 01:04:32.200 --> 01:04:32.800 But here's the thing. 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:33.800 Live! 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.820 It's sort of like when you're doing a science experiment, you don't want to have all these 01:04:38.820 --> 01:04:41.280 variables at play. 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:47.660 You want to keep everything in the two experiments as closely alike as you can, and then you 01:04:47.660 --> 01:04:50.000 just change the one thing. 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:52.440 I think that's a good point. 01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:57.680 The problem with you debating in orthodox is they're so far out in left field. 01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:00.800 You don't even have any common ground. 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:02.920 or like a Christian debating a Muslim. 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:06.160 It's like, there's just no agreement on anything. 01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:08.920 Like we can't even agree that pedophilia is bad. 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:09.760 Right. 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.600 They just think marrying a nine year old is just fine. 01:05:12.600 --> 01:05:14.400 So it's like, how do you have a conversation 01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:15.800 with someone like that? 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.600 So I think that debates would make the most sense 01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:20.300 if you picked that one issue. 01:05:20.600 --> 01:05:24.200 And everything else about the two sides is as similar as possible. 01:05:24.200 --> 01:05:29.400 Sort of like, you know, to keep the control of the experiment so that you're only manipulating one... 01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:30.600 Independent variable. 01:05:30.600 --> 01:05:32.440 Well that's a scientific thinking. 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:33.600 That's gonna pretty much do it for us. 01:05:33.600 --> 01:05:35.080 I'm something of a scientist myself. 01:05:35.080 --> 01:05:36.080 Yeah. 01:05:36.080 --> 01:05:38.160 Well thanks so much for joining us Pastor Anderson. 01:05:38.160 --> 01:05:40.680 We're excited to hear your sermon again this evening. 01:05:40.680 --> 01:05:41.940 Round two. 01:05:41.940 --> 01:05:43.040 And Ben it's always great to have you. 01:05:43.040 --> 01:05:46.560 We're gonna do another prequel on Sunday, 4 to 4.30. 01:05:46.560 --> 01:05:48.560 We're gonna have Pastor Bruce Mejia. 01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:50.080 But you wanna check out the rest of the conference. 01:05:50.080 --> 01:05:52.600 Go to Steadfast Rumble and you can check it out. 01:05:52.600 --> 01:05:55.720 And if you don't have it already, you need to get the Baptist Bias.