WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:28.000 Let My Cry 00:28.000 --> 00:35.000 Let My Cry come near before Thee 00:36.000 --> 00:40.000 Oh Lord, give me understanding 00:41.000 --> 00:44.000 According to Thy Word 00:45.000 --> 00:52.000 Let My Supplication come before Thee 00:53.000 --> 00:54.000 Deliver me 00:54.000 --> 00:59.000 According to Thy Word 01:00.000 --> 01:03.000 My lips shall not appraise 01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 My lips shall not appraise 01:06.000 --> 01:09.000 When Thou hast taught me vice the truth 01:10.000 --> 01:13.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 01:14.000 --> 01:17.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 01:18.000 --> 01:19.000 Righteousness 01:20.000 --> 01:21.000 Oh 01:21.000 --> 01:25.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 01:30.000 --> 01:31.000 Righteousness 01:41.000 --> 01:43.000 Righteousness 01:43.000 --> 01:44.000 Righteousness 01:49.000 --> 01:59.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 02:05.000 --> 02:07.000 Let Thy hand help me 02:08.000 --> 02:11.000 For I have chosen thy precepts 02:13.000 --> 02:17.000 Let my soul live and it should praise me 02:18.000 --> 02:21.000 And let Thy judgment help me 02:22.000 --> 02:24.000 My lips shall not appraise 02:25.000 --> 02:26.000 My lips shall not appraise 02:27.000 --> 02:30.000 When Thou hast taught me vice the truth 02:31.000 --> 02:32.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 02:33.000 --> 02:34.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 02:35.000 --> 02:38.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 02:39.000 --> 02:40.000 Righteousness 02:41.000 --> 02:42.000 Oh 02:43.000 --> 02:46.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 02:49.000 --> 02:50.000 Oh 02:51.000 --> 02:54.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 02:55.000 --> 02:58.000 I have longed for Thy salvation, oh Lord 02:59.000 --> 03:02.000 And Thy law is my delight 03:03.000 --> 03:06.000 I have longed for Thy salvation, oh Lord 03:07.000 --> 03:10.000 And Thy law is my delight 03:10.000 --> 03:11.000 My delight 03:15.000 --> 03:18.000 Thy law is my delight 03:26.000 --> 03:28.000 My lips shall not appraise 03:29.000 --> 03:30.000 My lips shall not appraise 03:31.000 --> 03:33.000 When Thou hast taught me vice the truth 03:34.000 --> 03:36.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 03:37.000 --> 03:38.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 03:38.000 --> 03:41.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 03:42.000 --> 03:43.000 Righteousness 03:44.000 --> 03:45.000 Oh 03:46.000 --> 03:49.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 03:52.000 --> 03:53.000 Oh 03:54.000 --> 03:57.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 03:59.000 --> 04:01.000 My lips shall not appraise 04:02.000 --> 04:03.000 My lips shall not appraise 04:04.000 --> 04:07.000 When Thou hast taught me vice the truth 04:08.000 --> 04:09.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 04:10.000 --> 04:11.000 My tongue shall speak a fair word 04:12.000 --> 04:15.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 04:16.000 --> 04:17.000 Righteousness 04:18.000 --> 04:19.000 Oh 04:20.000 --> 04:23.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 04:26.000 --> 04:27.000 Oh 04:28.000 --> 04:31.000 For all that commandments are righteousness 04:33.000 --> 04:35.000 I have gone astray 04:35.000 --> 04:38.000 Like a lost sheep 04:40.000 --> 04:43.000 Seek thy servant 04:45.000 --> 04:49.000 I do not forget thy commandments 04:50.000 --> 04:53.000 I do not forget thy commandments 04:54.000 --> 04:56.000 Thy commandments 04:57.000 --> 04:59.000 I do not forget 05:01.000 --> 05:03.000 Thy commandments 05:05.000 --> 05:07.000 Thy commandments 05:16.000 --> 05:18.000 Thy commandments 05:32.000 --> 05:34.000 Thy commandments 05:35.000 --> 05:36.000 Thy commandments 05:37.000 --> 05:38.000 Thy commandments 05:39.000 --> 05:40.000 Thy commandments 05:41.000 --> 05:42.000 Thy commandments 05:43.000 --> 05:44.000 Thy commandments 05:45.000 --> 05:46.000 Thy commandments 05:47.000 --> 05:48.000 Thy commandments 05:49.000 --> 05:50.000 Thy commandments 05:51.000 --> 05:52.000 Thy commandments 05:53.000 --> 05:54.000 Thy commandments 05:55.000 --> 05:56.000 Thy commandments 05:57.000 --> 05:58.000 Thy commandments 05:59.000 --> 06:00.000 Thy commandments 06:01.000 --> 06:02.000 Thy commandments 06:03.000 --> 06:04.000 Thy commandments 06:05.000 --> 06:06.000 Thy commandments 06:07.000 --> 06:08.000 Thy commandments 06:09.000 --> 06:10.000 Thy commandments 06:11.000 --> 06:12.000 Thy commandments 06:13.000 --> 06:14.000 Thy commandments 06:15.000 --> 06:16.000 Thy commandments 06:17.000 --> 06:18.000 Thy commandments 06:19.000 --> 06:20.000 Thy commandments 06:21.000 --> 06:22.000 Thy commandments 06:23.000 --> 06:24.000 Thy commandments 06:25.000 --> 06:26.000 Thy commandments 06:27.000 --> 06:28.000 Thy commandments 06:29.000 --> 06:30.000 Thy commandments 06:31.000 --> 06:32.000 Thy commandments 06:33.000 --> 06:34.000 Thy commandments 06:35.000 --> 06:47.000 My soul cleaveth unto the dust 06:48.000 --> 06:56.000 Quicken thou me according to thy word 07:05.000 --> 07:10.000 My soul cleaveth unto the dust 07:35.000 --> 07:40.000 My soul cleaveth unto the dust 08:05.000 --> 08:08.000 How do you feel about the Zionism doctrine? 08:09.000 --> 08:10.000 Honestly, I was looking it up 08:11.000 --> 08:14.000 Even growing up, it's not something that's really talked about 08:15.000 --> 08:16.000 You don't really hear about it 08:17.000 --> 08:20.000 One of the things that's missing in the Latin-speaking, Spanish-speaking countries is 08:21.000 --> 08:22.000 You just don't have a lot of the hard doctrines 08:23.000 --> 08:24.000 So you just kind of go along 08:25.000 --> 08:27.000 Mexico has a Jewish female president 08:28.000 --> 08:31.000 And I don't think most of them even know that she's Jewish or female 08:32.000 --> 08:33.000 Do they like her? Do they care? 08:33.000 --> 08:34.000 What is the... 08:35.000 --> 08:39.000 So the people that I know, like family members and my dad's coworkers or colleagues 08:40.000 --> 08:41.000 They don't like her, so I really don't know how she won 08:42.000 --> 08:45.000 Other than probably something similar to what happened in Kentucky 08:46.000 --> 08:51.000 But it seems like the main people like her, but it's kind of a split 08:52.000 --> 08:53.000 The media really beats up on her pretty bad 08:54.000 --> 08:55.000 I keep up with it where I can 08:56.000 --> 08:59.000 They definitely don't like her, but she gets away with everything that she does 09:00.000 --> 09:01.000 And it's pretty rough out there in Mexico 09:01.000 --> 09:06.000 Yeah, I mean it seems like sometimes we only think of things from an American perspective 09:07.000 --> 09:10.000 But obviously people come from different backgrounds, different cultures 09:11.000 --> 09:13.000 They may have different exposure to the Zionism doctrine 09:14.000 --> 09:17.000 I'm kind of curious, from your perspective, is this something that's just genetic 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 Considering you're from Lebanon? How does this work? 09:22.000 --> 09:23.000 Did you kind of embrace this doctrine? 09:24.000 --> 09:25.000 To oppose Israel? 09:26.000 --> 09:27.000 Yeah, just being kind of anti-Israel 09:28.000 --> 09:29.000 If you're from Lebanon, you're anti-Israel, period 09:29.000 --> 09:32.000 You come out of the womb anti-Israel, so that was the case for me 09:33.000 --> 09:40.000 No, I mean all kidding aside, people there are definitely very much against Israel politically 09:41.000 --> 09:43.000 A lot of people there hate Jews, just to be honest with you 09:44.000 --> 09:45.000 They're very anti-Jew in Lebanon 09:46.000 --> 09:48.000 And the reason why is because they've been slaughtered 09:49.000 --> 09:51.000 We talk a lot about what's going on in Palestine 09:52.000 --> 09:54.000 Well, honestly, to a lesser degree, that's happening in Lebanon as well 09:55.000 --> 09:58.000 They're bombing the crap out of them on a daily basis going all the way back to 2006 09:59.000 --> 10:04.000 And he was stuck there, they bombed the airport, he couldn't flee back in the mid-2000s 10:05.000 --> 10:06.000 So it kind of hit home with my family as well 10:07.000 --> 10:08.000 They were just defending themselves 10:09.000 --> 10:10.000 They were defending themselves by killing innocent people 10:11.000 --> 10:15.000 But you know, it's kind of funny, my aunt came to visit me a few years ago in Florida 10:16.000 --> 10:20.000 And she tried to red pill me on the Jews, not knowing my views 10:21.000 --> 10:27.000 And she was trying to explain to me that one of Trump's biggest issues is that, as she called it, he's Zionist 10:27.000 --> 10:29.000 And I was like, I know, trust me 10:30.000 --> 10:32.000 So it was kind of fun, we had that camaraderie 10:33.000 --> 10:34.000 But you still voted for him 10:35.000 --> 10:36.000 Unfortunately I did 10:37.000 --> 10:38.000 How do you feel about that now? 10:39.000 --> 10:40.000 I regret it big time, you know, I was wrong 10:41.000 --> 10:42.000 I thought that, here's the thing, and I learned a big lesson 10:43.000 --> 10:45.000 I thought him being Zionist, I always knew was a negative 10:46.000 --> 10:50.000 But I thought, oh you know, the good will outweigh the bad there 10:51.000 --> 10:53.000 And that his good policies will outweigh the Zionist 10:53.000 --> 10:58.000 But now I've realized, if somebody is a Zionist as hardcore as that, it's not something that you could just gloss over 10:59.000 --> 11:02.000 I mean, the presidency started kind of good and then it like went bad 11:03.000 --> 11:08.000 Fell off a cliff right around the time when the Epstein-Files controversy started to become a thing 11:09.000 --> 11:11.000 Is when I jumped off the train and I realized this guy's a fraud 11:12.000 --> 11:13.000 So you could argue it a few years too late 11:14.000 --> 11:17.000 But you know, you have to understand from my perspective 11:18.000 --> 11:20.000 When he was almost killed in Butler, Pennsylvania 11:20.000 --> 11:23.000 That made me think, alright, this guy's for real 11:24.000 --> 11:25.000 Yeah, he's not fully on board or something maybe 11:26.000 --> 11:27.000 Right, I figured if they're trying to kill him 11:28.000 --> 11:29.000 It worked on you 11:30.000 --> 11:34.000 It did, and so I did vote, I did support him, I argued with people about it, even you a little bit 11:35.000 --> 11:38.000 And I will say I was wrong about Trump, I really was, I was wrong about him 11:39.000 --> 11:40.000 What about like getting influenced by Christianity? 11:41.000 --> 11:48.000 You know, did you at some point kind of come across this idea of like maybe we should support Israel or maybe I've been wrong on this? 11:48.000 --> 11:52.000 Or do you feel like you kind of just were always on the other side of this issue? 11:53.000 --> 11:57.000 Especially when I first got saved, you know, I get plugged into an old IFB church and they taught us that 11:58.000 --> 11:59.000 You know, the Jews are God's chosen people 12:00.000 --> 12:03.000 And in particular it was Romans 11, 26 that I was confused about 12:04.000 --> 12:07.000 Because they brought that to me and said, hey, you know, the Jews are obviously God's chosen people 12:08.000 --> 12:09.000 Look at this verse, it says they're all going to be saved 12:10.000 --> 12:11.000 And so that verse confused me for a little while 12:12.000 --> 12:14.000 And I did kind of believe that for a little bit 12:14.000 --> 12:21.000 But you know, eventually watching Marching to Zion, finding new IFB preaching and things like that on this issue, it did clear me up on it 12:22.000 --> 12:23.000 You went back to your roots 12:24.000 --> 12:25.000 I went back to my roots, exactly 12:26.000 --> 12:31.000 What about you, Pastor Ray? Where were you at on this issue? Was there a point where you kind of had a different view? 12:32.000 --> 12:34.000 What kind of solidified where you're at now? 12:35.000 --> 12:38.000 So I got saved and I got saved out of the Adventist church 12:38.000 --> 12:39.000 Right 12:39.000 --> 12:42.000 And so just like you, you know, you get plugged into church, you just want to do what the church says 12:43.000 --> 12:45.000 I actually, for just a very short period of time, I was even pre-trib 12:46.000 --> 12:49.000 Because Adventists are technically post-trib, not exactly like we think 12:50.000 --> 12:53.000 But I was like immediately after I got saved, I was like, well I guess I got to be pre-trib because everybody's pre-trib 12:54.000 --> 12:55.000 And then I kept reading my Bible 12:56.000 --> 13:02.000 And then I would even say things early on, like, you know, if there's ever World War III, I'm going to become an Israelite citizen 13:03.000 --> 13:05.000 That's where all the, you know, those are the people that are going to be protected 13:05.000 --> 13:13.000 But it was around 2011, 2012, I had a business mentor of mine who just exposed me to Revelation 2, 9, and 3, 9 13:14.000 --> 13:15.000 And after you see that, it's kind of hard to 13:16.000 --> 13:17.000 What does that say? 13:18.000 --> 13:19.000 You know, the synagogue of Satan 13:20.000 --> 13:21.000 Oh man 13:22.000 --> 13:24.000 And you read them twice and it says, you know, be careful with them who they call themselves Jews but are not 13:25.000 --> 13:26.000 Right 13:26.000 --> 13:27.000 But are the synagogue of Satan 13:28.000 --> 13:29.000 And after that it was kind of like just downhill from there 13:30.000 --> 13:32.000 And then I did remember calling a friend of mine that I led to the Lord at the time 13:32.000 --> 13:33.000 And I said, hey, go to these verses 13:34.000 --> 13:35.000 He never talked to me ever again 13:36.000 --> 13:37.000 He's still in all that feature 13:38.000 --> 13:42.000 So then I kind of realized, okay, if this is causing that kind of division, then we're probably onto something 13:43.000 --> 13:45.000 And then of course you read your Bible more and solidify it 13:46.000 --> 13:47.000 But yeah, that's how I got introduced to it 13:48.000 --> 13:49.000 And it wasn't a hard change 13:50.000 --> 13:52.000 Once I saw that, it was just like, okay, well then that's it 13:53.000 --> 13:59.000 You just can't back, you know, a certain race of people or group of people that are so vehemently against Christ 13:59.000 --> 14:02.000 Like anyone but Christ it seems like that they want 14:03.000 --> 14:09.000 I mean, I'm kind of curious, like do you even remember like an old AFB like explanation of the synagogue of Satan 14:10.000 --> 14:11.000 Do they even address these verses? 14:12.000 --> 14:14.000 Do they have an alternative view? 14:15.000 --> 14:17.000 Like how do they even explain this away? 14:18.000 --> 14:19.000 Didn't Sam Gipp say that it was us? 14:20.000 --> 14:21.000 I think he said 14:22.000 --> 14:24.000 Like just us in general or like Gentiles? 14:25.000 --> 14:28.000 Yeah, like people who say they are Jews that are not, he applied it to us 14:29.000 --> 14:30.000 Because we say we're spiritual Jews 14:31.000 --> 14:32.000 That's the only thing I've ever heard 14:33.000 --> 14:35.000 So just Christians claiming that they're Jews 14:36.000 --> 14:41.000 Christians who claim to be spiritual Jews per Romans chapter number two, which we believe are actually the synagogue of Satan 14:42.000 --> 14:46.000 Well, were the Romans in the first century allowed to believe that they were Jews? 14:47.000 --> 14:48.000 Like, or is that? 14:49.000 --> 14:50.000 Apparently not 14:50.000 --> 14:54.000 Okay, so you're just telling Romans, like Roman citizens and Gentiles like 14:55.000 --> 14:56.000 They're not actually 14:56.000 --> 14:58.000 Hey, there's not, this isn't the real Jews 14:59.000 --> 15:04.000 And then whenever the apostle Paul talks to the seven churches in Asia, he's warning them about Christians 15:04.000 --> 15:05.000 Exactly 15:05.000 --> 15:07.000 Falsely calling themselves Jews, but they're really the synagogue of Satan 15:08.000 --> 15:14.000 I think that's the explanation, at least that's the only one I've ever heard and it came from Sam Gipp who of course is a whack job 15:16.000 --> 15:23.000 I mean, I think there's other verses, it seems like these other churches just kind of avoid, you know, when it comes to this particular issue 15:23.000 --> 15:29.000 You know, for me, I can't really even put my finger on like this particular doctrine, like where I changed 15:30.000 --> 15:35.000 Because I grew up in a church that was very pro-Israel, just like very staunchly pro-Israel 15:35.000 --> 15:38.000 But I don't feel like it ever clicked in my head what they were saying 15:39.000 --> 15:43.000 They would just like make these statements and I'm just kind of like, I don't know, whatever 15:43.000 --> 15:48.000 But like I didn't have any like care about Israel, I never wanted to visit, I didn't really 15:48.000 --> 15:53.000 In any of these conflicts, I just didn't, I wasn't really thinking about it at all 15:53.000 --> 15:59.000 So I just kind of like going along to get along, I think maybe that's a lot of people, like a lot of people in the past 15:59.000 --> 16:05.000 They're just kind of like, yeah, whatever, Israel's mentioned in the Bible, so this guy's a pastor, so he must be right 16:05.000 --> 16:12.000 But it seems like as of late, a lot more people are kind of waking up to, hey, this doesn't really seem to match reality 16:12.000 --> 16:17.000 This group of people seem to be in control of our government and they're not really for us 16:17.000 --> 16:26.000 You know, it almost even seems like a generational gap now, where you kind of have all the boomers kind of leaning into this Zionistic doctrine 16:26.000 --> 16:33.000 And the younger generation not, I mean, do you think that this is going to be a continual generational gap then? 16:33.000 --> 16:37.000 I think so, I think it's a gap that's growing wider and wider 16:37.000 --> 16:43.000 Because the older generations, they are more likely to consume legacy media 16:43.000 --> 16:49.000 So they're going to be watching Fox News, they're going to be watching the 24-7 cable news outlet that's telling them 16:49.000 --> 16:54.000 You need to support Israel no matter what, they can do no wrong, it's your duty as an American 16:54.000 --> 16:58.000 It truly is America first, which of course is a paradox 16:58.000 --> 17:03.000 But they're brainwashed, unfortunately, and indoctrinated into believing this doctrine 17:03.000 --> 17:09.000 And I do think you're seeing a giant chasm between the boomers and the newer generation who've woken up to this issue 17:09.000 --> 17:12.000 And just have no patience for it at the end of the day 17:12.000 --> 17:16.000 Maybe, are we just fighting for the millennials at this point? Because it's like the boomers 17:16.000 --> 17:17.000 Gen Z, too 17:17.000 --> 17:21.000 Well, I'm just saying like the Gen Z is already kind of on our side 17:21.000 --> 17:23.000 So millennials are maybe in the middle 17:23.000 --> 17:27.000 We can't fix them, are we fighting for millennials at this point? I don't know 17:27.000 --> 17:34.000 I think we're fighting for everybody, it's funny, on the way up here we stopped for a cup in Midlothian, I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right 17:34.000 --> 17:40.000 And the young guy was there, he was like 17, and he started talking to us, and he's like preaching and saying about 17:40.000 --> 17:47.000 He's doing missions, and he hands his book to Brother Heath, and then I open it up, and of course they're indoctrinating the whole 17:47.000 --> 17:53.000 The people of Ishmael are from Arabs, they're not the Jews, Genesis 12, 2, and 3 17:53.000 --> 18:00.000 So I took him to Revelation 2, verse 9, and he's kind of like on our side, but then he's like, I'm kind of conflicted 18:00.000 --> 18:03.000 Because my church is telling me this, but you're telling me this 18:03.000 --> 18:08.000 So we're still fighting, I think, for all of them, because even the young generation, they're opened up to it 18:08.000 --> 18:12.000 But the churches they're going to are still, like they're just driving it down the throat 18:12.000 --> 18:15.000 It was an interesting conversation when they got it 18:15.000 --> 18:20.000 Going back to what you said, because you mentioned, like, what did they do with some of these scriptures, is there any explanation 18:20.000 --> 18:27.000 And I have to go back to a debate from a few years ago with Andrew Sluder and Tommy McMurtry 18:27.000 --> 18:30.000 How did that go? Was that a good debate? 18:30.000 --> 18:32.000 That was a great, amazing debate 18:32.000 --> 18:39.000 No, the thing with Sluder is that what he tried to do is, he tried to merge, I feel like, both sides 18:39.000 --> 18:46.000 So he admitted, yeah, the Bible does talk about a spiritual Israel, and it talks about how Christians are the seed of Abraham 18:46.000 --> 18:49.000 But that doesn't mean the Jews have been cast off 18:49.000 --> 18:53.000 It doesn't mean that the Jews are not also God's chosen people in their own way 18:53.000 --> 18:59.000 And he twisted Hebrews chapter 8 to make the claim that there's a covenant specifically for them 18:59.000 --> 19:04.000 That would then come to fruition in the end times when all Israel is saved 19:04.000 --> 19:12.000 I think that's probably indicative of how the old IFB tries to reconcile the passages that you and I know and love 19:12.000 --> 19:15.000 Yeah, it seems like they just ignore certain verses, though 19:15.000 --> 19:19.000 Like, I understand they have some passages they go to in twists, like Romans 11 19:19.000 --> 19:22.000 And I'm excited, you know, Pastor Anson's going to be preaching tonight 19:22.000 --> 19:23.000 He's going to be preaching on Romans 11 19:23.000 --> 19:24.000 Awesome 19:24.000 --> 19:27.000 And he's done in the past, but I thought it would be a great opportunity to do it again 19:27.000 --> 19:30.000 And maybe get, you know, a little bit fresher take 19:30.000 --> 19:36.000 I think that as pastors, you know, as we continue to study the Bible, sometimes we see things from a little bit different angles 19:36.000 --> 19:43.000 So even when we preach similar topics or similar sermons, we've learned more, we grow more, we get a better, deeper perspective 19:43.000 --> 19:50.000 Timelines change, current events change, and so there's different ways and angles of approaching different passages 19:50.000 --> 19:53.000 But, you know, it seems like Romans 11 is a big deal, but I was kind of curious 19:53.000 --> 19:58.000 Verses you guys think that, you know, just that you are go-tos for you on this issue 19:58.000 --> 20:00.000 Like, if you are going to talk to someone 20:00.000 --> 20:05.000 I know you kind of mentioned Revelation 2 and 3 already, but if there's another one that comes to your mind 20:05.000 --> 20:11.000 And for me, like, this is a verse that I feel like I've never heard, the old IB, you know, exposit 20:11.000 --> 20:17.000 And I kind of mentioned it last night, but 1 Thessalonians 2.15, it talks about Jews 20:17.000 --> 20:18.000 And it says, 20:34.000 --> 20:40.000 I just don't know how someone can read these verses and then still have a Zionistic type of agenda 20:40.000 --> 20:45.000 And, you know, it seems like there's lots of other verses, but I want to go to those verses here 20:45.000 --> 20:49.000 But, I mean, on this particular passage, how can they even twist this? 20:49.000 --> 20:52.000 I mean, I'm trying to play devil's advocate 20:52.000 --> 20:57.000 It reminds me of Galatians 2.16, you know, Galatians 2 just hammers faith, not works, faith, not works 20:57.000 --> 21:04.000 In this passage, we have being hammered how wicked and evil the Jews are repeatedly 21:04.000 --> 21:09.000 To the point that there's just no way to gainsay it, the Bible is so clear right there 21:09.000 --> 21:13.000 They are contrary to all men, they're enemies of the Gospel 21:13.000 --> 21:18.000 These are exceedingly evil, nasty people, spiritually 21:18.000 --> 21:25.000 And, I mean, I think that is manifested outwardly with just how grimy they look, but go ahead 21:25.000 --> 21:29.000 Yeah, I mean, it says they please not God, so God's not pleased with them 21:29.000 --> 21:33.000 And it says that they're contrary to everyone, which would mean everybody's kind of mad at them 21:33.000 --> 21:36.000 And then, like, specifically, it says wrath has come upon them 21:36.000 --> 21:39.000 Like, they always act like they're just people who are just blessed 21:40.000 --> 21:44.000 But, you know, it seems like maybe they'll say, like, oh, well, that happened for a season 21:44.000 --> 21:51.000 Because they rejected Jesus, but now, magically, in 1948, you know, he's back to the favor program 21:51.000 --> 21:53.000 Or the blessing program or something? 21:53.000 --> 21:54.000 What changed? 21:54.000 --> 21:57.000 I don't know, I mean, I'm just, I don't even know how they could approach these passages 21:57.000 --> 22:03.000 I'll tell you what changed, they went from being disobedient to God to rejecting Christ 22:03.000 --> 22:08.000 So they went from rejecting Christ to rejecting Christ even harder, I guess that's what changed 22:08.000 --> 22:12.000 Well, you know, it reminds me of other debates and conversations you'll have 22:12.000 --> 22:18.000 You talk to a Catholic or any of these people on salvation by faith, you're having that argument 22:18.000 --> 22:21.000 They don't want to go to John 3.16, they don't want to go to Romans 3.28 22:21.000 --> 22:25.000 They don't want to go to these passages that are super clear on salvation by faith 22:25.000 --> 22:27.000 They don't want to talk about Ephesians 2.8 and 9 22:27.000 --> 22:29.000 So they ignore it and they try to go to Matthew 25 22:29.000 --> 22:32.000 Or they try to go to these difficult passages of twists and rests 22:32.000 --> 22:37.000 And it almost seems like Zionists do the same thing, where they just ignore a lot of the clear teachings on Jews 22:37.000 --> 22:39.000 And they kind of shy away from them 22:39.000 --> 22:44.000 And they don't offer an actual viable interpretation 22:44.000 --> 22:48.000 They offer no interpretation, they just simply ignore them and they don't tell you 22:48.000 --> 22:52.000 I'm kind of curious, Pastor Reyes, is there a verse on this issue that you like to go to? 22:52.000 --> 22:57.000 Well, I mean, I always try to go back to the beginning, like Genesis 12.3, of course 22:57.000 --> 22:59.000 Like just explaining the the and the now 22:59.000 --> 23:02.000 Just because, you know, obviously that's very clear 23:02.000 --> 23:04.000 And that's what I mean, I was talking to this young kid earlier 23:04.000 --> 23:07.000 And I was like, you know, obviously it blessed thee and thou 23:07.000 --> 23:09.000 And it's not about a people 23:09.000 --> 23:13.000 I do that because like in the Seventh Adventist, they like to talk about the Sabbath 23:13.000 --> 23:15.000 And the Sabbath isn't mentioned till way later 23:15.000 --> 23:21.000 But yesterday I just finished, I'm finishing up on John, the book of John in our Bible study 23:21.000 --> 23:23.000 And verse 19 really stood out to me, it says 23:23.000 --> 23:25.000 And that evening is after Jesus is risen from the dead 23:25.000 --> 23:28.000 And he's now with the apostles and the disciples 23:28.000 --> 23:29.000 It says 23:33.000 --> 23:35.000 I mean, it's like pretty clear, like how do you 23:35.000 --> 23:36.000 It says 23:40.000 --> 23:43.000 And so it's like in the book of John, you see this constant like 23:43.000 --> 23:47.000 The Jews don't believe or they didn't speak up for fear of the Jews 23:47.000 --> 23:52.000 Here, they're assembled together separate because of fear of the Jews 23:52.000 --> 23:56.000 It's just like what else, what other group can you draw from that? 23:56.000 --> 23:58.000 It's clear for fear of the Jews 23:58.000 --> 24:00.000 So, you know, you could just go constantly like 24:00.000 --> 24:03.000 As I was going through the book of John and leading up to this 24:03.000 --> 24:05.000 I kept making references to the fact that there they are again 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 Like John, the Jews, and the Jews 24:08.000 --> 24:09.000 There was very little jewelry 24:09.000 --> 24:14.000 How are they the enemy of the entire New Testament and now magically they're not? 24:14.000 --> 24:15.000 Right, exactly 24:15.000 --> 24:17.000 Like they're the enemy in the Gospels 24:17.000 --> 24:18.000 They're the enemy in the book of Acts 24:18.000 --> 24:20.000 Then they're the enemy in Revelation 24:20.000 --> 24:22.000 So then when did they stop being the enemy? 24:23.000 --> 24:25.000 I mean, we're talking about Romans 11 24:25.000 --> 24:30.000 It literally refers to them as enemies as pertaining to the Gospel 24:30.000 --> 24:33.000 And so, yeah, I don't know when they would have stopped 24:33.000 --> 24:35.000 I'd like to give a couple of passages if you don't mind 24:35.000 --> 24:37.000 No, I'm ready for you to give a few 24:37.000 --> 24:40.000 So I think for me, the big one, Matthew chapter number 21 24:40.000 --> 24:44.000 Therefore say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you 24:44.000 --> 24:46.000 And given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof 24:46.000 --> 24:51.000 So clearly we see that the kingdom of God is taken from one nation given to another 24:51.000 --> 24:53.000 Unbelieving physical Israel 24:53.000 --> 24:54.000 It's given to spiritual 24:54.000 --> 24:55.000 And then of course 24:55.000 --> 24:58.000 Well, let's ponder on that for a second 24:58.000 --> 24:59.000 Let's ponder on it 24:59.000 --> 25:03.000 Because let's say we were wrong about it being a spiritual nation 25:03.000 --> 25:09.000 Then wouldn't you have to point to another physical nation that is now the one that's been given this? 25:09.000 --> 25:13.000 Like you could say, oh, it's been taken from you and given to Russia 25:13.000 --> 25:14.000 Or it's been given to China 25:14.000 --> 25:16.000 Which doesn't make any sense to me, considering those are 25:16.000 --> 25:18.000 Obviously it doesn't match reality, but that's the point 25:18.000 --> 25:22.000 The point is, you can't say that it stayed with them 25:22.000 --> 25:27.000 Because the text is clearly saying it's going to be taken from you and given to someone else 25:27.000 --> 25:28.000 Another nation, yeah 25:28.000 --> 25:30.000 So you have to then tell us who's the other nation 25:30.000 --> 25:32.000 You can't then say it's still with them 25:32.000 --> 25:34.000 You have to say it's with someone else 25:34.000 --> 25:36.000 And I think Ephesians 2 would answer that question 25:36.000 --> 25:39.000 Talking about a spiritual Israel, a spiritual fellow citizens 25:39.000 --> 25:42.000 Yeah, or was it 1 Peter, I believe, also? 25:42.000 --> 25:44.000 Yeah, and I was going to go there in 1 Peter 2, it says 25:44.000 --> 25:48.000 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, and a holy nation 25:48.000 --> 25:51.000 So that's the nation that received what Jesus was talking about 25:51.000 --> 25:54.000 A peculiar people that ye should show forth the praises of him 25:54.000 --> 25:56.000 Who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light 25:56.000 --> 25:59.000 Which in time past were not a people 25:59.000 --> 26:01.000 I feel like that's super key, verse 10 26:01.000 --> 26:04.000 Because they'll try to say, well, he's talking to Jews there 26:04.000 --> 26:07.000 Wait, but it says they were not a people 26:07.000 --> 26:11.000 The Jews were God's chosen people in the Old Testament 26:11.000 --> 26:14.000 In a sense, God chose them to be a light unto the Gentiles 26:14.000 --> 26:17.000 Here it's saying they were not a people, so who would that fit with? 26:17.000 --> 26:18.000 It fits with Gentiles 26:18.000 --> 26:20.000 It's talking about how they were not God's people 26:20.000 --> 26:22.000 But since they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ 26:22.000 --> 26:24.000 They have become God's people 26:24.000 --> 26:26.000 Or just even it's just not a nation 26:26.000 --> 26:30.000 There's not a prior to the church some nation of the church 26:30.000 --> 26:31.000 Yeah, right? 26:31.000 --> 26:33.000 Absolutely, exactly right 26:33.000 --> 26:35.000 They weren't part of anything like that 26:35.000 --> 26:38.000 And 1 Peter 2, 9, and 10 I think is key for the start of it 26:38.000 --> 26:39.000 Those are good verses 26:39.000 --> 26:40.000 Those are good verses 26:40.000 --> 26:42.000 You know, another one that I think is kind of crazy 26:42.000 --> 26:44.000 You never really hear is Acts 28 26:44.000 --> 26:47.000 The Apostle Paul is kind of like concluding 26:47.000 --> 26:51.000 His thoughts about the Jews specifically 26:51.000 --> 26:53.000 And he says in verse number 26:53.000 --> 26:55.000 I'll just read a couple verses here 26:55.000 --> 26:56.000 Verse 25 26:56.000 --> 26:58.000 When they agreed not among themselves they departed 26:58.000 --> 27:00.000 After that Paul had spoken one word 27:00.000 --> 27:04.000 Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers 27:04.000 --> 27:06.000 Saying, Go unto this people and say 27:06.000 --> 27:09.000 By hearing ye shall hear and shall not understand 27:09.000 --> 27:12.000 And seeing ye shall see and not perceive 27:12.000 --> 27:14.000 For the heart of this people is waxed gross 27:14.000 --> 27:16.000 And their ears are dull of hearing 27:16.000 --> 27:18.000 And their eyes have they closed 27:18.000 --> 27:20.000 Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears 27:20.000 --> 27:22.000 And understand with their heart and should be converted 27:22.000 --> 27:23.000 And I should heal them 27:23.000 --> 27:24.000 Be it known therefore unto you 27:24.000 --> 27:27.000 That the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles 27:27.000 --> 27:29.000 And that they will hear it 27:29.000 --> 27:31.000 So it's like he's talking to these Jews 27:31.000 --> 27:32.000 And then he's saying 27:32.000 --> 27:34.000 Well God was really smart 27:34.000 --> 27:36.000 And speaking through the Holy Ghost to Isaiah 27:36.000 --> 27:38.000 And telling us like these people will not hear 27:38.000 --> 27:40.000 The Jews don't want to hear 27:40.000 --> 27:41.000 They're not interested 27:41.000 --> 27:43.000 They're not going to get saved 27:43.000 --> 27:45.000 But the Gentiles are interested 27:45.000 --> 27:47.000 And the Gentiles are going to get saved 27:47.000 --> 27:49.000 And I love that if you don't mind just 27:49.000 --> 27:51.000 Because that's from Isaiah 6 27:51.000 --> 27:53.000 Which I love because it's quoted like 27:53.000 --> 27:55.000 Five or six times in the New Testament 27:55.000 --> 27:57.000 Constantly saying there's a people that I don't want 27:57.000 --> 27:59.000 Them to hear or understand 27:59.000 --> 28:02.000 Make their heart fat, waxed gross 28:02.000 --> 28:03.000 And then he says how long should I preach 28:03.000 --> 28:04.000 And he's like till the streets be desolate 28:04.000 --> 28:05.000 There be no inhabitants 28:05.000 --> 28:07.000 I mean just preach to anybody else 28:07.000 --> 28:09.000 But make sure these people are blind 28:09.000 --> 28:11.000 So I just wanted it 28:11.000 --> 28:13.000 That's one of my favorite passages 28:13.000 --> 28:15.000 Well again this is Paul's conclusion 28:15.000 --> 28:17.000 After trying to get Jews saved his whole life 28:17.000 --> 28:19.000 It's like he's a missionary to Israel 28:19.000 --> 28:21.000 For 50 years and he's just like 28:21.000 --> 28:22.000 Don't preach to the Jews 28:22.000 --> 28:23.000 Because they're not interested 28:23.000 --> 28:24.000 They're not going to get it 28:24.000 --> 28:26.000 And you kind of hear this thought like 28:26.000 --> 28:28.000 Oh well in the end times there's going to be 28:28.000 --> 28:29.000 A bunch of them that get saved 28:29.000 --> 28:31.000 But if we can't preach to them 28:31.000 --> 28:32.000 And get them saved 28:32.000 --> 28:34.000 They have to wait for Jesus to show up 28:34.000 --> 28:36.000 Then what's the point in us wasting time 28:36.000 --> 28:37.000 Even by their own logic 28:37.000 --> 28:38.000 Again I don't believe this 28:38.000 --> 28:39.000 I'm just saying like 28:39.000 --> 28:42.000 Even if we have to wait until Jesus shows up 28:42.000 --> 28:44.000 In the clouds for them to all get saved 28:44.000 --> 28:46.000 Then what's the point in even going 28:46.000 --> 28:47.000 Banging our head against the wall 28:47.000 --> 28:48.000 Trying to get them saved 28:48.000 --> 28:50.000 Why wouldn't I want to get the Palestinians saved then 28:50.000 --> 28:52.000 Exactly they judge themselves unworthy 28:52.000 --> 28:55.000 Of everlasting life the apostle Paul said 28:55.000 --> 28:57.000 So it doesn't make any sense 28:57.000 --> 28:59.000 That sounds like someone's reprobate 28:59.000 --> 29:00.000 It kind of does 29:00.000 --> 29:03.000 I also would want to throw into the conversation 29:03.000 --> 29:05.000 Again the theme of tonight 29:05.000 --> 29:06.000 We are going to be 29:06.000 --> 29:08.000 Pastor Anderson will be preaching on Romans 11 29:08.000 --> 29:09.000 What about Romans 11 7 29:09.000 --> 29:11.000 What then Israel hath not obtained 29:11.000 --> 29:13.000 That which he seeketh for 29:13.000 --> 29:16.000 But the election hath obtained it 29:16.000 --> 29:17.000 And the rest were blinded 29:17.000 --> 29:19.000 So clearly we see a distinction 29:19.000 --> 29:21.000 Between Israel and the election 29:21.000 --> 29:24.000 A lot of the time our opponents on this issue 29:24.000 --> 29:26.000 Will claim that Israel is the elect 29:26.000 --> 29:27.000 The Jews are elect 29:27.000 --> 29:29.000 But here we see a clear distinction 29:29.000 --> 29:31.000 Between the election and Israel 29:31.000 --> 29:33.000 Because they're two different groups of people 29:33.000 --> 29:35.000 The election are those who've received the gospel 29:35.000 --> 29:36.000 And have gotten saved 29:36.000 --> 29:38.000 Yeah I'm checking some of the comments 29:38.000 --> 29:40.000 Someone said Trump is a POS 29:40.000 --> 29:41.000 I don't know what that stands for 29:41.000 --> 29:42.000 Piece of scum 29:42.000 --> 29:43.000 Oh okay 29:43.000 --> 29:44.000 The election is rigged 29:44.000 --> 29:45.000 The Jews are pulling all the strings 29:45.000 --> 29:47.000 Of the New World Order agenda 29:47.000 --> 29:49.000 Yeah I think that's more obvious than ever 29:49.000 --> 29:52.000 Someone said these people are hard to win over 29:52.000 --> 29:54.000 Someone says my old IV pastor says 29:54.000 --> 29:57.000 It's taken from the quote leadership of Israel 29:57.000 --> 29:59.000 I.e. the preaching is against the Pharisees 29:59.000 --> 30:01.000 Not the people in general 30:01.000 --> 30:03.000 I think that that's like 30:03.000 --> 30:05.000 Maybe in reference to what you're bringing up 30:05.000 --> 30:06.000 Oh the fear of the Jews 30:06.000 --> 30:08.000 That's not the people 30:08.000 --> 30:10.000 That's just the leadership 30:10.000 --> 30:13.000 That's just the general leaders 30:13.000 --> 30:15.000 Or politicians of their day 30:15.000 --> 30:16.000 Or something like that 30:16.000 --> 30:18.000 But when the apostle Paul's bringing this up 30:18.000 --> 30:19.000 In Acts chapter number 28 30:19.000 --> 30:21.000 He's not saying the politicians 30:21.000 --> 30:22.000 He's not saying the leaders of Israel 30:22.000 --> 30:23.000 He's just saying look 30:23.000 --> 30:26.000 Jews in general are not receiving this 30:26.000 --> 30:28.000 And when we see in the book of Acts 30:28.000 --> 30:29.000 It says the Jews 30:29.000 --> 30:30.000 It's not talking about only Pharisees 30:30.000 --> 30:31.000 Or only the leaders 30:31.000 --> 30:34.000 It's just saying hey the Jews that believe not 30:34.000 --> 30:36.000 It's just saying the ones that didn't believe 30:36.000 --> 30:37.000 Because in fact a lot of times 30:37.000 --> 30:39.000 A lot of the leaders did believe 30:39.000 --> 30:42.000 You know you have some religious leaders believing 30:42.000 --> 30:45.000 Like it appears that perhaps Nicodemus 30:45.000 --> 30:46.000 You know received that 30:46.000 --> 30:47.000 Potentially yeah 30:47.000 --> 30:50.000 And you have other people that are in positions of authority 30:50.000 --> 30:51.000 That are receiving the gospel 30:51.000 --> 30:54.000 So I don't think it's fair to just sit here and claim that 30:54.000 --> 30:55.000 When it says quote Jews 30:55.000 --> 30:56.000 It's just the leaders or Pharisees 30:56.000 --> 30:59.000 And what I notice is that these people always want to say 30:59.000 --> 31:02.000 The text means something other than what it actually says 31:02.000 --> 31:03.000 Right 31:03.000 --> 31:04.000 Like why can't you just show me a passage 31:04.000 --> 31:06.000 Where it clearly says what you're saying 31:06.000 --> 31:08.000 You know I'm showing you verses 31:08.000 --> 31:11.000 And then you're twisting it into something else 31:11.000 --> 31:15.000 You know when it comes to this particular doctrine 31:15.000 --> 31:20.000 It seems like there's an unwillingness to even hear it 31:20.000 --> 31:21.000 Yeah 31:21.000 --> 31:23.000 People just don't want to hear this 31:23.000 --> 31:24.000 It's said in their ways 31:24.000 --> 31:26.000 I mean what about other pastors or people 31:26.000 --> 31:29.000 Do you feel like you can even engage in this conversation with people 31:29.000 --> 31:30.000 Or is it very divisive 31:30.000 --> 31:31.000 It's divisive 31:31.000 --> 31:33.000 Like you mean if you just bring it up 31:33.000 --> 31:36.000 Even if you take them to clear like Revelation 2 or 3 31:36.000 --> 31:37.000 Or just even other 31:37.000 --> 31:39.000 They're just exactly what you said 31:39.000 --> 31:40.000 They're just kind of well 31:40.000 --> 31:42.000 You know and they just either change the subject 31:42.000 --> 31:44.000 Or they'll get mad and just won't talk to you you know 31:44.000 --> 31:46.000 I mean I saw recently I think you were blocked 31:46.000 --> 31:48.000 By some way you were trying to engage 31:48.000 --> 31:51.000 Yeah I mean there's this guy some pastor Josh Howerton 31:51.000 --> 31:53.000 He's a big non-denom guy here 31:53.000 --> 31:55.000 I just see him all the time 31:55.000 --> 31:57.000 Always on Facebook or X or whatever 31:57.000 --> 32:00.000 He's like constantly promoting his podcast and shows 32:00.000 --> 32:02.000 But he's like a super pro Zionist guy 32:02.000 --> 32:04.000 And he was making some videos saying like 32:04.000 --> 32:08.000 Oh people are falsely accusing me of taking $7,000 a post 32:08.000 --> 32:10.000 Or something like this because I'm so pro-Israel 32:10.000 --> 32:12.000 And I just comment on there like 32:12.000 --> 32:14.000 Hey let's not criticize him for that 32:14.000 --> 32:15.000 Let's just criticize him for being Zionist 32:15.000 --> 32:16.000 And then he just blocks me 32:16.000 --> 32:17.000 Right 32:17.000 --> 32:20.000 And it's just like okay well why can't this guy defend his position 32:20.000 --> 32:22.000 Or defend Zionism 32:22.000 --> 32:24.000 Like why is he so afraid of anybody ever 32:24.000 --> 32:26.000 You know putting any kind of pressure 32:26.000 --> 32:30.000 I think it's because the truth on this issue is so easy to see 32:30.000 --> 32:34.000 That these guys have to block and censor our worldview 32:34.000 --> 32:37.000 Because our worldview is very powerful 32:37.000 --> 32:39.000 To anyone that's open to the truth 32:39.000 --> 32:42.000 I feel like they're going to come to our side immediately 32:42.000 --> 32:45.000 If given enough exposure to this particular issue 32:45.000 --> 32:47.000 I think that's why the youth are like that 32:47.000 --> 32:50.000 And it seems like with the boomers they're just 32:50.000 --> 32:52.000 It's like they're invested in this idea 32:52.000 --> 32:54.000 And they don't want to admit that they're wrong 32:54.000 --> 32:59.000 I think it's needful for some dumb to just admit that we've been wrong 32:59.000 --> 33:00.000 Right Ben 33:00.000 --> 33:01.000 Yeah and just change your mind 33:01.000 --> 33:03.000 You know I admitted earlier in the podcast 33:03.000 --> 33:05.000 That I was wrong about Trump 33:05.000 --> 33:06.000 Things are going to happen 33:06.000 --> 33:08.000 You're going to make wrong decisions 33:08.000 --> 33:10.000 And then take the wrong direction sometimes in life 33:10.000 --> 33:12.000 But when you're corrected with the word of God 33:12.000 --> 33:15.000 You know the humble person is able to submit and to change 33:15.000 --> 33:17.000 And I think in this case it's not just the word of God 33:17.000 --> 33:19.000 But I think just even logic itself 33:19.000 --> 33:22.000 Right I mean I'm just thinking about with these Zionist pastors 33:22.000 --> 33:23.000 I'd love them to answer 33:23.000 --> 33:26.000 But what happens to all the Jews that went to hell? 33:26.000 --> 33:28.000 How does the Abrahamic covenant apply to them 33:28.000 --> 33:30.000 As they burn in hell for all of eternity? 33:30.000 --> 33:33.000 If supposedly they are Abraham's seed 33:33.000 --> 33:37.000 It's referring to physical descendants who will one day inhabit the land forever 33:37.000 --> 33:39.000 How does that come to fruition for the Jews of today 33:39.000 --> 33:42.000 Who we know are anti-Christ and go to hell? 33:42.000 --> 33:43.000 So it doesn't make any sense 33:43.000 --> 33:46.000 Yeah I mean can we ask like isn't Judas a Jew? 33:46.000 --> 33:48.000 So if Judas is a Jew 33:48.000 --> 33:49.000 Don't we bless him? 33:49.000 --> 33:52.000 I mean if Judas is a Jew did he go to heaven or did he go to hell? 33:52.000 --> 33:55.000 If they say they went to hell then it's like okay well why? 33:55.000 --> 34:00.000 And it's like if they can at least go down this rabbit hole 34:00.000 --> 34:02.000 So that not all Jews are good 34:02.000 --> 34:04.000 So that not all Jews are the chosen people of God 34:04.000 --> 34:08.000 Like how can I sit here and say everybody in the Middle East is a child of God 34:08.000 --> 34:11.000 And then say that Judas is in hell 34:11.000 --> 34:14.000 Or say that any Jew has ever been in hell for any reason 34:14.000 --> 34:17.000 And you know under their interpretation of Genesis 12 34:17.000 --> 34:21.000 The apostle Paul violated it by cursing them constantly 34:21.000 --> 34:25.000 Including in the passage you referenced earlier there in 1st Thessalonians 2 34:25.000 --> 34:27.000 Well isn't it I think it's Acts 13 34:27.000 --> 34:29.000 He has Eliam as the sorcerer 34:29.000 --> 34:30.000 A Jew 34:30.000 --> 34:31.000 He's a Jew 34:31.000 --> 34:32.000 Exactly right 34:32.000 --> 34:33.000 He curses him 34:33.000 --> 34:34.000 That's a great point 34:34.000 --> 34:35.000 And he's blinded 34:35.000 --> 34:38.000 So how does that work with their theology? 34:38.000 --> 34:43.000 Was he supposed to bless the sorcerer that was trying to cause the deputy 34:43.000 --> 34:45.000 To be taken away from the faith? 34:45.000 --> 34:47.000 He had apostolic privilege I guess 34:47.000 --> 34:48.000 Apostolic privilege? 34:48.000 --> 34:50.000 What about David himself? 34:50.000 --> 34:53.000 Isn't David constantly cursing the Jews? 34:53.000 --> 34:59.000 And you know the Psalms and then it's quoted in the New Testament 34:59.000 --> 35:00.000 You know how does this work? 35:00.000 --> 35:04.000 Is David not blessed then because he quote cursed the Jews? 35:04.000 --> 35:07.000 I mean it's just a nonsense doctrine 35:07.000 --> 35:11.000 I love what you pointed out too in 2nd Chronicles chapter 19 and verse 2 35:11.000 --> 35:16.000 Jehoshaphat is rebuked for loving those that hate the Lord 35:16.000 --> 35:20.000 And those were people of Israel the northern kingdom that he teamed up with 35:20.000 --> 35:23.000 Well I think chapter 18 is an important verse to go with 35:23.000 --> 35:28.000 To me it embodies the American attitude and this boomer attitude of like 35:28.000 --> 35:33.000 You know our men are with your men and I am as thou art 35:33.000 --> 35:35.000 My people are your people 35:35.000 --> 35:36.000 Israel's interests are our interests 35:36.000 --> 35:43.000 It's like he's just saying we're one accord and you can use our military however you see fit 35:43.000 --> 35:46.000 Like how is that not the exact same message we have today 35:46.000 --> 35:49.000 With America and Republicans trying to say 35:49.000 --> 35:52.000 Hey our military is with their military 35:52.000 --> 35:57.000 Thou are as we are and just basically trying to make them the 51st state 35:57.000 --> 36:02.000 I'm kind of curious like do you see any difference anymore? 36:02.000 --> 36:05.000 I mean isn't our military and our government trying to say like 36:05.000 --> 36:07.000 Whatever Israel wants we're going to give it to them 36:07.000 --> 36:09.000 Basically I mean I think there was a 36:09.000 --> 36:12.000 And I haven't verified it with AI but I think it is real 36:12.000 --> 36:17.000 Where Trump said that once he stops being president he's just going to go run for prime minister of Israel 36:17.000 --> 36:18.000 That was a legit video 36:18.000 --> 36:19.000 Okay so there you go 36:19.000 --> 36:20.000 Is he being serious? 36:20.000 --> 36:21.000 Yeah like he 36:21.000 --> 36:24.000 I think he's trolling a little but it's still ridiculous 36:24.000 --> 36:27.000 Well he trolled saying that he was going to run for president and look what he did 36:27.000 --> 36:29.000 So many years before that 36:30.000 --> 36:32.000 It's a stupid comment regardless 36:32.000 --> 36:33.000 I mean I don't really care 36:33.000 --> 36:36.000 But think about like us as Americans like that's who's representing us 36:36.000 --> 36:37.000 Of course 36:37.000 --> 36:38.000 Yeah this is how I feel 36:38.000 --> 36:39.000 I have 99% support 36:39.000 --> 36:41.000 I may run for prime minister 36:41.000 --> 36:42.000 You never know 36:42.000 --> 36:43.000 It's like gross 36:43.000 --> 36:45.000 You're so overt 36:45.000 --> 36:47.000 And he kept saying that Netanyahu was a good guy 36:47.000 --> 36:49.000 We might as well just be the same people 36:49.000 --> 36:52.000 I mean there's videos of him like pushing the seat back for him 36:52.000 --> 36:55.000 In the White House or whatever when they came to meet 36:55.000 --> 37:00.000 Well I preach the sermon like is Donald Trump the greatest enemy to America 37:00.000 --> 37:07.000 Because he got up there I think Netanyahu said that Donald Trump was like the greatest friend that America's ever had 37:07.000 --> 37:10.000 Several months ago and this is like how do you not see that? 37:10.000 --> 37:12.000 It's pretty clear they're not even hiding anymore 37:12.000 --> 37:13.000 It's in plain sight 37:13.000 --> 37:14.000 So 37:14.000 --> 37:21.000 Yeah I mean one of the definitions of anti-Semitism by these like Holocaust organizations 37:21.000 --> 37:24.000 And some of that language has been adopted by I believe the state of Florida 37:24.000 --> 37:28.000 You know some of the language is that you can't say the Jews killed Jesus 37:28.000 --> 37:30.000 Well that's just what the Bible says 37:30.000 --> 37:31.000 Yep 37:31.000 --> 37:38.000 So how can Christians sit here and then pretend like that the Jews are on their side or something like that 37:38.000 --> 37:43.000 Like let's just say you know we eradicated Islam 37:43.000 --> 37:49.000 You know are we supposed to believe that Israel is going to love us or like Christians or be our best friend? 37:49.000 --> 37:52.000 That's such a good segue to what I was just about to read from Proverbs 37:52.000 --> 37:53.000 Go for it 37:53.000 --> 37:54.000 Proverbs 24 it says 37:54.000 --> 38:03.000 He that saith unto the wicked thou art righteous him shall the people curse nations shall abhor him 38:03.000 --> 38:10.000 And Donald Trump getting up and glazing the Jews and glazing Netanyahu and Israel incessantly 38:10.000 --> 38:13.000 It for sure has led to Middle Eastern blowback 38:13.000 --> 38:18.000 Where a lot of these countries especially in Iran and other places as well 38:18.000 --> 38:27.000 They wouldn't have an issue with us if it wasn't for our virulent support for Israel 38:27.000 --> 38:29.000 Yeah they're kind of thinking like what did I do 38:29.000 --> 38:39.000 They appore us as a result of our geopolitical stance that has turned their countries into rubble at the behest of wicked Jews 38:39.000 --> 38:43.000 One you know the Bible teaches like wisdom is justified of her children 38:43.000 --> 38:47.000 Yeah so like in their mind they're thinking like okay you believe this is on the Bible 38:47.000 --> 38:54.000 But it's like look at Israel they're having the largest like LGBT pro like you know pro events 38:54.000 --> 39:02.000 And they just owners of I mean a rabbi is owning like 50% approximately of the adult content websites 39:02.000 --> 39:04.000 They're owning all these record labels 39:04.000 --> 39:08.000 What have they contributed? Give me something Jews have contributed positive to society 39:11.000 --> 39:12.000 I mean seriously 39:12.000 --> 39:16.000 I don't know you know whether someone's gonna point to Albert Einstein or something like this 39:16.000 --> 39:20.000 Maybe there's a few Hollywood movies that you like but other than that like what have they contributed 39:20.000 --> 39:22.000 I mean they are like good storytellers 39:22.000 --> 39:24.000 When you lie for a living 39:24.000 --> 39:25.000 When you lie for a living 39:25.000 --> 39:27.000 Let's take some movies out 39:27.000 --> 39:28.000 I'm just trying to think 39:28.000 --> 39:36.000 Other than the movies you guys like it's like it's just smut and filth and bloodshed and murdering innocent people 39:36.000 --> 39:39.000 Clipping the coins, ripping people off, interest 39:39.000 --> 39:40.000 Loans 39:40.000 --> 39:44.000 This is why they're kicked out of so many countries I forgot the exact number help me out 39:44.000 --> 39:45.000 What's the talking point? 39:45.000 --> 39:46.000 I don't know it's 109 39:46.000 --> 39:47.000 109 something like that 39:47.000 --> 39:49.000 This is why they're kicked out of so many countries 39:49.000 --> 39:51.000 Somebody say 47, conservatively 47 39:51.000 --> 39:52.000 I don't know 39:52.000 --> 39:54.000 They're a scourge on a lot of societies 39:54.000 --> 39:59.000 They're just they're rotten people you know to their core a lot of them 39:59.000 --> 40:04.000 I'm not saying I'm sure there's Jews that aren't religious that call themselves that and they're ignorant or whatever 40:04.000 --> 40:08.000 But you know the hardcore Jews they know exactly what they're doing 40:08.000 --> 40:12.000 They're destroying and ripping our society up from the inside out in my opinion 40:12.000 --> 40:14.000 I want to read a couple more comments we have 40:14.000 --> 40:27.000 Cook 1101 says 1 Thessalonians 2 16 along with Matthew 16 4 should completely destroy the argument that all the Jews will be saved at the second coming of Christ 40:27.000 --> 40:30.000 It says wrath is upon them to the othermost 40:30.000 --> 40:32.000 Read Matthew 16 verse 4 40:32.000 --> 40:33.000 Let's do that 40:33.000 --> 40:38.000 Rosemary Himes said I vehemently denounce the quote boomer BS 40:38.000 --> 40:40.000 Yeah I don't think that every boomer is bad 40:40.000 --> 40:46.000 Obviously I'm not you know condemning the entire group but they're kind of like Israel right 40:46.000 --> 40:49.000 It's like well there was a remnant of Israel 40:49.000 --> 40:50.000 Absolutely 40:50.000 --> 40:51.000 And the Pauls of Paul was one of them 40:51.000 --> 40:52.000 Just based boomers at our church 40:52.000 --> 40:54.000 But Israel in large was bad 40:54.000 --> 40:59.000 And it's like the boomers by and large have some issues and one of them specifically is being pro-Israel 40:59.000 --> 41:06.000 Yes obviously if you're a boomer and you're totally with us on the replacement theology and everything we are not referring to you 41:06.000 --> 41:17.000 Right Zay the Baptist says I know West Coast Baptist and their youth I think it's YC is like youth conference maybe or YC talk about this little in the Q&A 41:17.000 --> 41:25.000 And said Romans 9 through 11 is clear God is not done with them and we should bless them but it doesn't mean we condone all that they do 41:25.000 --> 41:32.000 So I guess they're trying to say like hey I guess they could do something bad but you know we just need to bless them in any way 41:32.000 --> 41:35.000 I mean is there any enemies anymore? There's no enemies right? 41:35.000 --> 41:38.000 What is Matthew 16 verse 4? 41:38.000 --> 41:47.000 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign and there shall no sign be given unto it but the sign of the prophet jones us and he left them and departed 41:47.000 --> 41:49.000 So what's the relevance there you think? 41:49.000 --> 41:55.000 Well again he's trying to say this is helping us identify that these people aren't saved and they're not going to get saved in the end times 41:55.000 --> 42:05.000 And I think he's just basically saying look if this generation which is wicked and adulterous is not going to believe what Jonah pictures the gospel 42:05.000 --> 42:13.000 Then they're not going to get anything else so in the same way that this generation that's wicked and adulterous they're going to get the gospel 42:13.000 --> 42:21.000 But if they don't hear that they're not going to get anything else they're not getting this magical extra sign of Jesus being in heaven as some extra way to get saved 42:21.000 --> 42:33.000 It's like they have Moses and the prophets let them hear them using another analogy or another parallel in the sense that God's not going to sit here and reward people for being rebellious 42:33.000 --> 42:39.000 It's like if you don't accept the truth that you're given he's not going to give you even more truth 42:39.000 --> 42:45.000 It's like he gives more truth to the people that received it not to the people that rejected it and so I think that's the parallel 42:45.000 --> 42:47.000 What do you think about that? 42:47.000 --> 42:51.000 I have nothing else to add I think you covered it thoroughly I would agree with what you said 42:51.000 --> 42:53.000 I feel like you wanted to say something Pastor Reyes 42:53.000 --> 43:03.000 The only thing I wanted to add to what you were saying is I think one of the keys that you made yesterday is the fact that we don't want to just side with everybody we want to side on truth 43:03.000 --> 43:07.000 It's because somebody is anti-Israel doesn't mean we're going to side with everything they're doing 43:07.000 --> 43:17.000 I think that's the most important thing is the fact that we're basing it on actual facts like this is the word of God this is the most truth you're going to get and the truth will make you free 43:17.000 --> 43:26.000 And unfortunately other people will just meddle in it but they won't get the full truth and if it's not full truth it's going to be a lie so they'll fall for other lies 43:26.000 --> 43:34.000 It's kind of like you were saying bringing the millennials over it's more important to just preach it straight than to try to tippy toe around the issue 43:34.000 --> 43:42.000 Conferences like this are really important because people are seeking truth but they think they're getting it on acts 43:42.000 --> 43:54.000 Well since the Jews are contrary to all men I think there's a natural inclination to oppose them but the problem is if you're going to do so without a biblical foundation it could lead you to have other whacked out views 43:54.000 --> 43:57.000 And I think we see that with some of the anti-Jew crowds on X 43:57.000 --> 43:59.000 You can go extreme in any viewpoint 43:59.000 --> 44:11.000 In any viewpoint but I think what's great about this conference is that we're providing you with what the Bible teaches to give you the Christian perspective, the Baptist perspective on this so you can be biblically grounded on it and that's very important 44:11.000 --> 44:21.000 Yeah I want to follow up on Zay's comment here because he's bringing up West Coast Baptist saying hey they're not done with them because of Romans 9-11 therefore we should quote bless them 44:21.000 --> 44:29.000 But then he says this goes against 2 John 9-11 and I use this in the beginning of my sermon 44:29.000 --> 44:54.000 Why would I apply that to a Muslim who has a false gospel but then not a Jew who also has a false gospel? 44:54.000 --> 45:03.000 Sure and one that's arguably, Islam of course is a wicked false religion but I would argue that Judaism is much more hostile to Christ and Christians in general 45:03.000 --> 45:04.000 Stronger language 45:04.000 --> 45:23.000 Yeah I get that radical Islamists are decapitating Christians and stuff I understand that and I'm not trying to downplay that by any means I'm just saying that Judaism is I think has a stronger hatred for the Lord Jesus Christ in general and is more antagonistic 45:23.000 --> 45:31.000 They both deny that God has a son right? So from a theological perspective they're saying hey neither of them have a son 45:31.000 --> 45:44.000 From a Jewish perspective though they would say that Jesus Christ is a miracle working sorcerer who was born of a bastard situation and is now burning in hell 45:44.000 --> 45:46.000 Exactly right so that illustrates my point 45:46.000 --> 45:55.000 The Muslims would say well he was a good prophet but he's just not the son of God he's not God in the flesh he's not the Messiah 45:55.000 --> 46:02.000 So it's like both false but one is way more hostile in general and in nature 46:02.000 --> 46:15.000 Additionally Jews don't have anything in their writings that say like let's be nice to Christians they say like hey their cattle and their goyim used to be disposed at your discretion 46:15.000 --> 46:28.000 Whereas in Islam you have the radicals you have Shiite Muslims that will say slay the unbeliever and kill the infidel but then a lot of the Sunni Muslims are actually kind of peaceful towards Christians in general 46:28.000 --> 46:37.000 So in essence it's like who is more likely for you to get along with would probably be Muslims in essence at least from a theological perspective 46:37.000 --> 46:50.000 I get from a cultural perspective because the Jews were just mixed in Europe for so long that they have a lot more similarities to us culturally and just having like civilization type principles 46:50.000 --> 47:03.000 And that's why I think a lot of people appeal to that they're like oh you know the Muslims are barbarians and they're this barbarous people and you know the Jews are more civilized and they have democracy and I hear this argument a lot 47:03.000 --> 47:16.000 But from your experience is it really true that the Jews are just these super civilized you know nice people and that you know people in Lebanon or Middle Easterners are just these barbarous savages or something? 47:16.000 --> 47:29.000 No that's ridiculous. People are just trying to live their lives over there and it's a very challenging place to live but no I mean the average person is just trying to provide for their family go about their business and not hurt anybody 47:29.000 --> 47:31.000 I mean don't Muslims control Dubai? 47:31.000 --> 47:33.000 Yeah and Dubai is a 47:33.000 --> 47:35.000 Isn't this arguably the nicest place in the world? 47:35.000 --> 47:41.000 Dubai is a corporate wonder it's a place for business and it's thriving honestly 47:41.000 --> 47:54.000 I mean sometimes people think like oh you live in Texas so you're riding a horse and wearing a cowboy hat and I think that some people think that you know if you go to the Middle East everybody is riding a camel and lives in a tent 47:54.000 --> 47:57.000 If you go to Mexico all you do is eat tacos you know 47:57.000 --> 47:59.000 Do you even have houses in Mexico? 47:59.000 --> 48:00.000 No it just hides 48:00.000 --> 48:08.000 Okay I'm going to say something and maybe even people on our side will disagree but I think even the rhetoric on Iran is a lot of it propaganda 48:08.000 --> 48:10.000 Am I saying it's a vacation spot? 48:10.000 --> 48:11.000 No 48:11.000 --> 48:23.000 But there's videos of people going through malls that you could watch Syrian girl on X has posted this on her account of people going through shopping centers and malls in Iran and it just looks like any other country largely 48:23.000 --> 48:31.000 It's not this like Islamic you know theocracy to the point that you can't walk two steps without bowing to Mohammed or something like that 48:31.000 --> 48:35.000 It's a lot more secular than people actually give it credit for 48:35.000 --> 48:47.000 Well again America has just basically colonized the world you know and so in essence it's like we're just forcing our culture on everybody is it really like a Muslim versus a Jew issue? 48:47.000 --> 48:59.000 No they want you to think Iran is like this irredeemable Islamic hell hole so that you buy into regime change over there and then they replace it with faggotry and leftism and feminism 48:59.000 --> 49:06.000 Well and you know that's something it seems like the Muslims finally have right like they're not letting their women tell them what to do 49:06.000 --> 49:16.000 Exactly so okay you're going to replace you're going to replace it I agree with that you're going to replace Islam with feminism I mean no that's not enough for you 49:16.000 --> 49:25.000 That's kind of like the only point somebody's like yeah you should have brought up more feminism talking points you know yesterday you know the Jews being behind this feminist agenda 49:25.000 --> 49:38.000 And it is true that there's a lot of influence from Jewish women and Jewish leaders to bring in a lot of these waves of feminism and it's like Muslims don't seem to have that issue by and large 49:39.000 --> 49:50.000 By and large I think with Judaism there's because it's so it's all encompassing and there's a lot of different branches like you've got Hasidic Jews you've got Orthodox Jews whatever 49:50.000 --> 50:03.000 There's like liberal Jews who I think is what you're referring to and they're pushing all the feminism so it's like Judaism has its ugly tentacles in so many different spots whether it's theological or the culture war 50:03.000 --> 50:04.000 And they're all bad 50:04.000 --> 50:05.000 All of them 50:05.000 --> 50:07.000 All the tentacles are bad 50:07.000 --> 50:11.000 What about in Mexico do you feel like there's a lot of feminism being pushed in Mexico 50:11.000 --> 50:23.000 Oh yeah I mean Mexico I remember growing up and going to the border and then you know it was very traditional and then as time passed by you just started to see more faggotry more feminism just pushing all that stuff 50:23.000 --> 50:30.000 I mean it really it's gotten out of hand to the point where now I think Diego he preached on it but I told him that he didn't he should 50:30.000 --> 50:40.000 Like now they've gotten to the point where now they think they're animals because that's where it starts like you know you got the Therian movement and all kinds of weird stuff that's been around for a long time 50:40.000 --> 50:43.000 You're saying like they're buying into Darwinian evolution or something or what do you mean 50:43.000 --> 50:58.000 Yeah like so there's a movement now and I really believe it's from you know it's like what happens is right you start to dilute you're feminist and you just anything goes and now you got people who are like identifying as certain animals and they're running around the streets of Mexico City 50:58.000 --> 51:05.000 Like acting like dogs or cats and hiring lawyers to get civil rights for people who need to treat them 51:05.000 --> 51:07.000 What's the ethnicity of these lawyers? 51:07.000 --> 51:10.000 I don't know but I'm pretty sure we probably do. 51:10.000 --> 51:13.000 And I looked it up it's interesting there's a lot of 51:13.000 --> 51:15.000 Can the cartel take these people out? 51:15.000 --> 51:24.000 There's a lot of Latin you know people in media and Hollywood Mexican Hollywood guess what all their ethnicities are the main ones 51:24.000 --> 51:38.000 Well it's kind of hard to dismiss you know Jews pushing feminism when you have a female Jewish president in Mexico obviously like they're pushing this type of an agenda 51:38.000 --> 51:52.000 And you look at ADL you look at the SPLC these are liberal organizations they're Jewish organizations so you've got Jews on the left you certainly have Jews on the right they have a big time grasp on control over a lot of different outlets 51:52.000 --> 51:54.000 What do they not control at this point? 51:54.000 --> 51:56.000 Steadfast Baptist Church 51:56.000 --> 52:02.000 There you go see they control America they control Israel they control global events 52:02.000 --> 52:06.000 I don't think they control Thomas Massey but now he's a lame duck 52:06.000 --> 52:10.000 Well yeah but they kicked him out of his seat in a sense they have some control over him right? 52:10.000 --> 52:12.000 Well there's destiny he's a lame duck you know 52:12.000 --> 52:20.000 And obviously they control us in like censoring us and stuff but here's the thing they don't tell us what to preach like these other churches like these other pastors 52:20.000 --> 52:29.000 You know that's why we have this type of a conference we need to put our view out there and I've seen a lot of traction on this viewpoint that's just like very against Jews for the wrong reason 52:29.000 --> 52:44.000 It's like they're against Jews because they think they're subhuman or they think that they're something like you know aliens or reptiles or you know some kind of Nephilim or like I've just heard all these weird views about them 52:44.000 --> 53:01.000 Or they just think that you know Jews are inherently genetically deformed or genetically you know awful and stuff like this and they kind of decouple you know or they don't really separate specifically their religion from the ethnicity 53:01.000 --> 53:12.000 They just basically couple these two together and they just say like Jews are just inherently evil and bad and I know a lot of people kind of lean that direction but you know that's not what the Bible teaches 53:12.000 --> 53:22.000 Obviously there was great Jews in the New Testament. Amazing Jews. Paul. There's great Jews in the Bible. I'm not saying there's a whole lot of them today but I'm not going to say that there couldn't be. Right? 53:22.000 --> 53:31.000 And so we need to make sure that we have the right doctrine for the right reason. We only have a few minutes here left. I want to give you a chance. Is there something else you want to bring up? 53:31.000 --> 53:48.000 Pastor Anderson says that he's baptized a Jew. Yeah. So despite the fact that they're like extremely, extremely unreceptive there's a very, very few out there that you know are willing to receive the gospel probably and you know at the end of the day if I encounter one out so wanting I would do the same thing that I do with anybody else. 53:48.000 --> 54:05.000 Is ask if they're interested. Now every time that's happened they've slammed the door in my face but hey I've tried. What about you? Have you ever gotten a Jew saved? I'm not but just like Ben we're going to give it a go. It's not like I just shy away whether I see the little, what is that called on their door? Star of Rempan? 54:05.000 --> 54:19.000 No, it's like a scroll looking thing or something. A little scroll, yeah whatever. I'm still going to knock the door. We're still going to give the gospel. I've never had the privilege of doing that, getting someone over on our side but it works. Because it's a spiritual issue. 54:19.000 --> 54:49.000 I mean I've knocked several over their doors. They've never wanted to hear. Right. But there was one time I got to give a Jew like almost the entire gospel on like a college campus but then he ran off. That sucks. He said something about shekels or something. But you know at the end of the day obviously we still want Jews to be saved. We don't like necessarily hate Jews because here's the thing. If we believe they need to get saved you know to actually go to heaven then we're the loving ones by telling them they have this anti-Christ religion. Absolutely. By the people pretending like they have another covenant or pretending like they have another 54:49.000 --> 55:19.000 covenant or pretending like God still loves them or they're going to magically get saved in the end times. They're actually the ones that are hateful by lying to these people. And so you know we need to make sure to tell them the truth even if the truth hurts. Even if the truth rebukes their religion and their pig tails and their little skull cap and all of the weird satanic rituals that they do. Yeah. That's pretty much you know I'd love to keep talking. We're going to do another show tomorrow. I think we're going to bring Pastor Anderson on. He's preaching tonight. You don't want to miss it. You go to StepfastBasketball.com. 55:19.000 --> 55:49.000 It's a great place to do that. I'm going to be doing a show on the Baptist Church's channel on Rumble. Check it out. Sunday morning you're going to get to hear Pastor Reyes preach to us in Spanish. So it's going to be great to have some working on my preaching. Yeah I know. Exciting to have someone preach on this issue in Spanish. 9 a.m. Central time. And of course you got to check us out. More Baptist bias. If you haven't already subscribed or email us BaptistBias.com slash join. And if you've been listening and for some reason you've got like brain rot like you're an orthodox. 55:49.000 --> 55:52.720 Or something you need to convert and get the Baptist bias.