Thanks for joining us on the Baptist Bias.
It's our season finale.
We've got another QA.
We're gonna be doing spaces.
We're gonna be bringing in Pastor Aaron Thompson
from Sure Foundation Baptist Church.
I'm hoping to have some other guests join us as speakers.
And we're just gonna be taking questions from our chat.
You can also call in, 231Baptist,
and we can try to get your questions in on the phone lines,
as well as you can put questions in the chat.
I think that Ben's also got some questions for us.
But I'm excited about this episode.
Here I'm joined with my co-host, Ben the Baptist.
How's it going, Ben?
- Going great.
Excited about the show tonight.
It is listener-driven.
Whenever we do these Q&As,
we're relying on the audience to give us some good content,
to ask us some good questions,
and to bring forward some topics
that we can discuss here, roundtable style.
Like Pastor Shelley mentioned, we're on Spaces.
We can take calls as well.
And I'll be paying attention to the live chat
just in case there's something in there
that is worth discussing.
And here we are, the season finale of "The Baptist Bias."
I'm ready to go right here tonight.
Yeah, and of course, even though this is our season finale,
we are gonna have a special episode stream
on election night.
So you won't have to wait too long.
We'll be back November 5th with an election stream.
And we're gonna probably try to bring in all kinds of guests.
It's gonna be a fire show.
We're gonna, of course, have the McDonald's Fries
as Donald Trump was sporting some fries this week.
And so it'll be fun.
Do I have to fight you on McDonald's Fries for our show, Ben?
It's not gonna take much to convince me
to drive to the studio and have some McDonald's Fries.
There's no question about that.
I'm very excited about that.
It's a dream come true.
There have been many weeks where I've thought
about how McDonald's Fries could add to the broadcast.
And finally, November the 5th,
we get to see that dream become a reality.
- Yeah, I mean, hey, you know,
as much as you love, hate McDonald's,
you gotta love the fries.
I mean, I don't like the chicken nuggets,
I'll just be honest.
I don't think they're legit.
But the fries are off the chain,
especially when they're hot.
Of course, they seem to last forever too.
Have you ever found a fry in your car
from like months ago and you're like,
how is this still not rotten?
- Because like the King James Bible,
it does not corrupt, it is preserved.
You know, the McDonald's believes
in the doctrine of preservation, but for their food.
- It's almost like plastic.
- And you gotta give them credit for that.
- It's like plastic or something.
- Yeah.
- 'Cause like non-food doesn't rot either, right?
So is it food? Is it not?
What makes it last so long?
- Just they believe in the doctrine of preservation.
- Maybe it's all the salt.
The Bible says salt is good.
- Exactly, they put some salt in there,
they put some other chemicals.
Who knows what it is?
But it'll last you years and years and years.
- Is it handmade?
- Yeah, I think so.
- We've got people joining us in our spaces as well on X.
You can follow me @bandpastor, join our space.
If you'd like to chat on the show,
we'll try to add different listeners
that would like to chat.
And we're trying to bring on Pastor Aaron Thompson.
And we'll try to put the spaces on the screen too
so people can see, but hopefully he can hear us.
Let's see if we can get Pastor Thompson in
on at least the audio.
I don't think he's gonna be joining us on the video,
but he is there on the spaces.
How's it going Pastor Thompson, can you hear us?
Okay, we'll come back to him just a second
and we'll try to bring up that spaces.
But you can join us, we can add you as a speaker
in the spaces.
If you have questions, throw them down into the chat.
Someone said the preserved french fry.
Maybe, is that our next documentary?
That could be our next documentary.
I'm down for that for sure.
Someone said that they just had some french fries too.
I hear some audio, I hear some audio here.
There we go.
Pastor Thompson, can you hear us?
Can you guys hear me okay?
Yeah, now we can hear you loud and clear.
Can you hear us?
Are you there?
Yep, we are.
Yeah, I can hear you, but I can't hear you
in my earbuds for some reason.
Oh, okay.
I'm having technical difficulties.
We can give you another minute if you want.
Gen X problems.
We're trying to bring on a big fella here, okay?
So it takes some effort here.
But we'll get him on here and we'll get it going.
Okay, I'm good.
All right.
How's it going, Pastor Thompson?
Say something to us.
Can you hear us still?
All right.
I just went to you.
Folks, this is live radio.
This is what happens.
Yeah, I'm not hearing you guys on my end.
It's not pre-taped, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't know, maybe I'll just get out of it and come back into it.
Yeah, I think you may need to exit.
We'll just drop you and bring you back up.
Drop, bring you back.
Unfortunately, sometimes X spaces can be very glitchy.
It can be annoying to use where sometimes people who come in,
they can't hear other speakers for no apparent reason, so.
Looks like we got a question in the chat, Ben.
What is your favorite KJV Bibles?
I think you kind of like that question.
Oh, I do like that question.
Probably the one that I have with me right now, the Cambridge large text in French Morocco.
This Bible has a really nice, bold, readable font, and it is a text-only Bible, so there's
no gimmicks, no thrills, nothing like that.
Is it a red letter?
It is not a red letter.
Okay.
Just black text throughout.
It does have the self-pronouncing words in there, which I'm not a huge fan of.
Names?
Yeah.
I prefer they just put that in the back, but otherwise, it's probably my favorite Bible
that I own and I own a lot of them.
So Cambridge, large text.
I do like Cambridge.
I use that Thomas Nelson reference Bible.
It's kind of a thin line and I just have like a ton of them.
I have like 20 of them because they constantly wear through with soul winning and all this
other stuff and preaching.
So I just try to like have a lot of extras because it's nice when you use the same Bible
over and over so that you can find kind of like something on a page or kind of know where
things are.
Yeah.
You get familiar with it.
You figure out where things are in the book itself too, like how to flip to things a little
bit quicker.
Sure.
Plus like if you use it a lot, a lot of places you just kind of fall open almost, like especially
soul-winding passages or sections of scripture you use a lot or you like a lot.
It kind of makes it a little bit easier to get to.
So yeah.
I also want to give a shout out to the Trinitarian Bible Society.
They have some pretty good Bibles.
The TBS Windsor text is a good one.
They also have a large text as well that's pretty good.
The thing with TBS is if you're looking for a modern font, you go with them.
But if you want that classical, old-school feel, then you go with Cambridge.
Let's say we have some more people in our spaces.
If you'd like to speak, you can give us an emoji there and we'll try to add you up as
a speaker.
I'm sorry to interrupt, Pastor Shelley, but somebody says, "Are you feeling well, Brother
Ben?
I'm a little under the weather, so you'll have to bear with me throughout the broadcast
tonight."
Can you hear us again now?
Yeah.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Loud and clear.
All right.
Cool.
Sorry about that.
I think you just couldn't hear us.
It's okay.
Sometimes it takes a second to get these things set up.
So how are things going up in the northwest?
Good.
It's been nice and sunny, 68 degrees, variable winds.
Nice.
I like the detailed weather report here.
How are those Seattle Seahawks doing up there?
Well, I mean, they went down to Atlanta and stomped out the Falcons at home, so that was
pretty cool.
Are the Falcons even good?
Yeah, I think that they were on a three-game winning streak and they got smashed at home.
I think Dallas lost on the bye week, so like 35 to 0 somehow.
Dallas, you have to admit though, their fans are loyal to a fault.
They can be the worst team ever and the Cowboys fans still think they're great.
You got to respect that loyalty.
Even losing on the bye week, they still blame the refs somehow.
Did they give Dak even more money for losing or what?
I don't know.
Cowboys is a sore subject.
It's amazing how Jerry Jones can make so much money and have so much fame and have such
a terrible team consistently, but I guess they're not that terrible.
They're super disappointing more than anything.
But well, appreciate you coming on the show and anything you want to plug before we kind
of get into some questions?
No, I'm kind of like, well, I mean, I guess I'm coming down to preach in OKC at the end
of next month.
So I'm happy about that.
Excited for going to jazz and...
Yeah, Brother Oz ordination, right?
Yeah.
November 24th, you got to come to OKC, Steadfast Baptist Church, and you can hear Pastor Thompson
in the flesh, and it only took... it's only going to take a few hours for me to be replaced
after the ordination.
So Pastor Thompson will be in there, and no, we might even have to get a special location
to meet just because I think there are going to be so many people coming for the service.
And so, really looking forward to it.
Brother Oz has been such a great guy and really helped our church a lot, great preacher,
and very loyal, and so really looking forward to his ordination and looking forward to that.
Brother Ben, do you like Dylan at all?
He's okay.
No, obviously.
I just joke because Ben is always glowing about Brother Oz and how much he likes him.
Yeah, obviously there's an inside joke there, but no question that Brother Oz has been a
very close personal friend of mine for years now, and I'm really excited for him.
But you know, additionally, and all kidding aside here, I'm really excited for the cause
of Christ because I think that Oklahoma City is getting a strong leader, a good preacher,
and I think that that church is going to do some great things.
So I'm excited for the future and happy for those folks who are going there.
I know a few of them, there's some good people, and I think it's going to be a fun event,
for sure.
I'll be there.
OKC, November the 24th.
Are you going to bring some McDonald's fries?
Wherever I go, McDonald's fries typically follow, so, yeah, it's very possible.
Very possible.
Let's play this clip of Donald Trump here, and it's kind of audio only for our Spaces
audience, but we got a clip here of Donald Trump making some fries.
This is his arrival.
Oh, OK, this is his arrival.
Yeah, we have a couple of clips of Trump.
Does this have audio or no?
Yes, it does have audio.
They're terrific!
First day at McDonald's, I'm looking for a job for President Trump on Barack Jack and
Tony.
I'm the owner.
He's a good owner.
Must be a wealthy guy, huh?
Thank you very much.
Well, I'm looking for a job, and I've always wanted to work at McDonald's, but I never
did.
I'm running against somebody that said she did, but it turned out to be a totally phony
story.
So, if you don't mind, I want to work the French fry counter.
Absolutely.
OK, how much are you paying me?
How much are you paying you?
Hello everybody.
I think Kamala worked a guy named McDonald's, I don't think it was McDonald's that she worked
at.
Probably.
No comment there?
It's funny because my brother and sister actually worked at McDonald's.
I've never worked at McDonald's, but he's coming in and he puts the apron on and eventually
goes and works the fry counter.
I like it all.
It's like his Bible verses.
That's so funny.
That's his standard answer for everything, isn't it?
That is funny.
I listened to Kamala.
She said it was so hot.
It was so hot.
It was such a tough job.
They're serving cats and dogs.
We're going to learn how to do it right now.
Thank you.
OSS says they worked at McDonald's as a young teen.
Andrew says, "I hope that Donald Trump fixes the ice cream machine.
This election is over."
I think I saw this AI-generated meme where he fixes the ice cream machine or something,
like something nobody else could do.
Right.
That'll win the election outright if he can figure out how to fix it.
Our crew says, "I bet we all wish we could look that good at 78."
He's got energy.
What about his hair?
Isn't it real?
Yeah.
He's incredible at, like, 78, right?
Yeah.
I think he moves well.
He speaks well for his age.
He has the energy.
You know, my dad's around that same age and very similar.
He's got good energy, still very smart, so sometimes people age well, you know?
Not everybody's going to age like Joe Biden.
Oh, great, superstitious, huh?
And then he gives it to his supporters here in the drive-thru, and she's going to gush
over Trump.
It's like the perfect looking person.
He can't be the Antichrist, folks.
He's hitting on the women in the drive-thru.
The Bible says that the Antichrist does not desire women, okay?
I don't think that Donald Trump fits the bill.
Did these people even order or are they just driving through and just getting random bags
of food?
They ordered in the first stop and then here they're receiving their orders.
Sometimes I drive by McDonald's and it looks like Donald Trump must be working there because
there's like 50 cars, especially after like 9 p.m. or 10 p.m. I think everything else
is closed.
It's the go-to spot at 10, 11 o'clock.
All right, Ben, you're driving through the McDonald's, Donald Trump is there.
What are you ordering?
Oh man, I'll take a quarter pounder deluxe with large fries.
A Coke?
Oh, and a Coke, yeah, of course.
Apple pie, ice cream?
McFlurry for dessert.
McFlurry?
Oreo McFlurry for dessert.
All right, I think we can cut the clip.
That was kind of fun.
That was epic.
I think probably amongst the greatest clips we've ever played on our broadcast.
I mean, it's Trump and McDonald's.
What else could you want in a clip then?
Right.
Exactly.
So, there's a few more clips we can get to later on if you're interested in continuing
to talk about election stuff.
Al Hizzi says, "I played tennis with an 81-year-old who gets to everything."
That's pretty incredible.
Don't Eat Fast Food says, "That's not what the verse means, that Antichrist won't regard
the desire of women, which means he won't be gently led."
Oh, this person says, "Don't Eat Fast Food, see you later."
We're getting feedback here.
So, we wanted to do a Bible Q&A.
Don't Eat Fast Food says, "Alex, don't."
Yes, of course.
We're just, this is all tongue-in-cheek.
We don't recommend that you eat fast food.
If you have questions, put them in the chat.
If you want to call in, 231-BABDIST, and Ben, I know we had talked about some questions
that we had left over there.
My bad on the feedback, guys.
My audio, once you guys started playing the clip, went out.
So I can't hear what you guys are saying on my phone, so I'm gonna have to go back out
and come back in.
Okay.
I gotcha.
Whenever we play a clip.
No problem.
Well, I wanted to ask about, I wanted to ask a question that I just came up with if we
want to just get the ball rolling.
Yeah.
Let's go.
I'm sure our audience is tired of looking at McDonald's fries.
Yeah.
Last night there was a debate between Mark Ward and somebody else, I can't remember the
name, but...
I already like that person more.
In this debate, they were discussing the issue of is the King James Bible still understandable?
Is it still something that we can use in the modern day in 2024?
Is it still understandable?
Readable?
Et cetera.
Of course, this is the crusade that Mark Ward is on to try to prove that the King James
Bible is obsolete now because of archaic language and things like that.
One of the things that he does is he brings up this concept of false friends and how certain
words have changed meaning over time.
For example, there's one that I think you could bring up like conversation.
We usually think of people having a verbal back and forth when that word is used, but
the Bible uses it to mean behavior.
So I'm curious, Pastor Shelley, if you've heard this argument about false friends so
called and this idea that words, their definition have changed over time and so as a result,
the King James Bible ought to be updated.
And in your mind, is this a valid attack on the King James Bible?
And what do you think about this concept of false friends and the argument that Mark Ward
makes in an attempt to attack the Word of God?
That was a long question.
But no, give me your opinion on false friends.
Yeah, I would love to know what his arguments were.
So I'm not like fighting against a straw man here.
So I don't know if you have those.
He brings up, he brings up a study to show thyself approved unto God, and he says the
word study doesn't actually mean what you and I think it actually is something else.
What does it mean then?
If it doesn't mean to study?
He was trying to make the case that it just means like be diligent, but it doesn't mean
like actually take time to sit down and acquire information.
So I don't even get the argument, here's how I would answer that initially, is number one,
I read the Bible to my kids many nights throughout the week, you know, not every single night,
but many nights we have a Bible study, and they're young, and after reading a whole chapter,
I'll just ask them, what was that chapter about?
And many times they can explain to me, you know, my six, seven, eight, nine, ten-year-olds
can explain to me what was read.
So if it's so difficult, why is it that six, seven, eight, nine-year-olds, ten-year-olds
are able to comprehend what I had read audibly?
I mean, they didn't even read it.
Like I think there's extra comprehension when you're physically looking at it and reading
it, but they're just hearing me verbally speak it and just say it.
And honestly, I think the King James sounds so good that sometimes when I'm listening
someone preach, I sometimes like find myself like falling into this mental spot where I
feel like they're just talking.
They're not even reading the verse anymore.
It's like, it just sounds so good.
Maybe there's a little bit of echo there.
I don't know if that's just on our end or the other, but I'm, I'm hearing like like
Romans and the apostle Paul is just answering objections.
Sometimes I'm like, I forget that that's the next verse.
And I just feel like the preacher is like making a statement.
It's like, what shall we say then?
You know, or like he just, God forbid, or just like, it just starts kind of going into
the next argument.
It's like, uh, you know, Romans chapter three, I think is really good at this when it's the
apostle.
He's like, therefore we include them in justified by faith about the deeds of the law.
What shall we say then?
You know, it's like, or like, you know, they just like, it just keeps like going down this
narrative or, uh, ask questions that are logical questions after the particular rhetorical
question or statement or idea. So to me, like number one, my kids can understand it. Number
two, there's so many times I'm listening to someone preach and it even sounds like they're
just talking. They're not even actually reading a verse from the scripture. And then thirdly,
I would say this, that in order to read anything, you have to learn something. No one comes
out of the womb being able to read. So if it's a necessary component to be able to read,
to read, then it doesn't matter to me if one book is even slightly more difficult because
I have to learn something. And I think all the modern versions have difficult words.
So we're going to have to learn some level of vocabulary. We have to use a dictionary
to some degree, no matter what text we're going to use. So why don't we care more about
the accuracy, the integrity, and the source of the document as opposed to these minutiae
that really have no bearing in reality? If children can understand it, if it sounds like
people are just talking normally in different sections, and then thirdly, if it's not containing
that many more words than another book, it's not even that much objectively more difficult,
I just don't see the problem. Maybe there's some other arguments. I don't know, Pastor
Thompson, do you have an argument about this idea of the King James being difficult?
Too difficult for a modern audience.
I think we had to drop them again and bring them back up. We might just...
Should we just get them on video?
Yeah, maybe we can just send them a link and just add them to the show. If the crew sends
me that, I can just email it to them, just see if we can bring them on. Because I don't
want to keep fighting the spaces, but we can add other people and see if we can get them
on the spaces as well. And sometimes spaces works great, sometimes it's a little bit rough.
It's Dan Haefli that Mark Ward debated last night. Dan Haefli versus Mark Ward. And I
get it that this is not necessarily in the scope of what we're talking about, but Mark
Ward is very, he sounds very effeminate, very, very, very effeminate to an extreme degree.
To such an extreme degree that it really makes me wonder about him, and I'm just going to
leave it at that. But man, it's very difficult to listen to what he has to say. And in my
mind, he's a vicious attacker of the King James Bible. He is a malicious attacker against
the King James Bible. And I think that, you know, he deserves to be rebuked harshly. There's
no question about that in my mind. But he debated Dan Haifley last night on this issue
of the King James Bible and its readability. And it's funny you bring up that your children
can understand it just fine, because I remember the old IP pastor that I used to attend his
church when he came out against the King James a number of maybe like a year ago actually
now. That was one of his arguments is he claimed that his kid couldn't understand the David
and Goliath story. And it's just like, actually, it's perfectly readable and understandable.
The thing is, though, you just have to A) study a little bit, you have to maybe look
some words up every once in a while. And you know what, our producer put something in our
internal chat that I agree with 100%. You got to be saved. You have to have the Holy
Spirit inside you and once you do that, the Bible says, "He will guide you into all truth."
You know? So I think that there's an issue here that people don't want to talk about
which is the spiritual component of understanding the Bible. But you know, one of the things
that Mark Ward does that's extremely dishonest, Pastor Shelley, is that he'll take a word
and then he'll apply the wrong definition to it and claim that the King James Bible,
that the definition of the word as it's used in the King James Bible has changed. When,
hold on a second, who made you, Mark Ward, the authority on what words mean to begin
with? How do you know that study doesn't actually mean study? I don't remember making you the
authority on that. So he's very deceptive.
Well, and wouldn't you be able to show maybe a receipt there of like, here's a dictionary
showing it as this particular definition from an older period of time and then now here
is it where it's completely changed. It doesn't have receipts. It just, honestly, you know,
the guy has serious issues. I mean, when you're that effeminate, like you already have serious
issues and I kind of question your ability to understand reality. I mean, it's to an
extreme degree and your discernment and, you know, it's like why would it, you know, take
some effeminate dude to tell all of us like the King James Bible is not the word of God.
You know, the King James Bible is kind of rough around the edges. They use the word
like hell, damn, piss, uses some kind of rough language, bastard, and these modern versions
don't use it. The King James also uses the word effeminate. Many of these modern versions
don't use this particular word. So is it any shock that someone that's a little bit light
in the loafers is afraid of a version that's going to use some strong language?
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's a great point right there. And it just demonstrates
the fact that he is so effeminate, so limp-wristed that obviously it should come as no shock
that this is somebody who's on a warpath and has been for years now on the King James
Bible. And so I think that debate last night really showed his inward hatred for the KJV.
The guy sent a survey to a bunch of pastors with these words, trying to test them to see
if they're able to define them according to his standard. And since apparently a bunch
of them didn't do well on his quiz, he's now using that as evidence for the fact that
the King James contains outdated language to such a degree that it needs to be updated.
But here's what's funny. He doesn't care about the underlying manuscripts or the underlying
source text from which any Bible is translated. You know, he's obviously more than happy with
the critical text. And there's so many components and layers to this. But for him, it's just
all about getting people to a modern version of the Bible, period. That's all it's about.
And I view it as a work of the devil.
Is there any other arguments he made? I'm kind of curious. He brought up the study.
Do you remember?
Another argument that he made here is convinced of all versus convicted of all. I saw that
was mentioned in our internal chat and also on Rumble. And so you had that one that he
brought up. I can't remember specifically any other ones necessarily, but that one comes
to mind. I think that the guy that he debated was very respectful. But pastor Shelley, I feel like,
you know, if I'm being honest, it was a little overboard on how nice he was being. And I realize
when you're in a debate, you need to be professional. And I understand that. But pastor,
does it have to cross a line to where you're making the argument that the Holy Spirit may
have used Mark Ward to help define some of these false friends for us? Because that was something
that he said, and I completely disagree with that. Like we need him to help us? Yeah, like the Holy
Ghost used Mark Ward. Because one of the arguments that he made was, "Well, you know, the Holy Spirit..."
I thought the Holy Ghost only spaked to us in the Bible, so which verse was it? I mean, I'm not quite sure,
to be honest with you, but he was trying to make the point that the Holy Spirit helps us understand
the Bible. Sure. And you know what? He's probably working in Mark Ward's heart. That's why he's able
to come up with what these words actually mean. Yeah, Baptist Christian says technical language
is not in common use, but that does not make it outdated. That's a good point. Obviously,
you know, when we're going to describe difficult subjects, we have the Word of God, we have 31,000
verses. There's going to be specific sections of the scripture that maybe are using a specific
set of vocabulary. It's not going to all be dumbed down. It's also going to use vocabulary that's
describing very specific concepts like justification, like damnation, like condemnation.
And so those things are very important to be established and for higher level education
to still be challenged here. I mean, what if the Bible was just so simple
that even highly educated people couldn't necessarily understand it? I mean, we're
talking about the wisdom of God here that surpasses all of man. Are we really supposed
to get a book that we can understand literally everything perfectly, you know, day one,
let alone our entire lives? No, and that's why I love the Word of God so much, because of how deep
it is, how layered it is, and the fact that, yeah, it does require intense study to figure out certain
passages. Now, you had brought up that there are some passages, you know, you talked about the Book
of Romans, where it kind of seems like it's the preacher talking because the language is easy.
That's just the way that the Word of God has been constructed. Some of it is milk, other portions
of it are strong meat. But there's something here in the chat that I wanted to bring up.
This person says, "At least that Australian guy who attacked the King James and said there are
errors in it deleted his video after Pastor Anderson demolished him." I did not know that,
and I'm not sure if you remember this video Pastor Anderson did against some Australian guy who was
attacking the King James claiming it had errors in it. But this guy, evidently, according to our
chat room participant here, Jesuslover122 actually deleted his video. That is hilarious to me,
and it just goes to show that he was soundly defeated to the point that he felt like he needed
to remove the video. Wow. Yeah, I've never... I don't know what video that is, so I wouldn't...
He brought up basically... It was just like a video where he was bringing up contradictions
in the King James that he was using to try to discredit it. And one of the contradictions he
brought up was the age of Ahaziah where the Bible says that he is... In 2 Kings, I believe chapter
8, don't quote me on the chapter, but in the book of 2 Kings it says that he's 22 years of age and
then in 2 Chronicles 22 it says that he's 42 years of age and he tried to use that to attack
the King James. But it's funny because that's literally not even... First of all, it's not a
contradiction, it could be explained easily, but that's not an issue with the King James Bible,
that's an issue with the Hebrew text itself because it's rendered the same in every Bible
that came before the King James and that's what it says in the Hebrew. You know, you open up a
Daniel Balmberg Old Testament, it's going to say 42 and 22. There's still that discrepancy. So you
have an issue with the Hebrew, you don't have an issue with the King James if you're going to use
that as an argument against it. I want to also make sure you have another clip you want to play here
and drop your questions in there. You can call us 231-BABDIST. We'd love to get your questions.
We haven't got a lot of steam on spaces yet, but you can still join in there and you can try to
send me a message if you'd like to speak. I think there's a question in the chat that can lead to
a clip. So somebody asks the question here, "Is suffrage, quote unquote, if suffrage rather,
is obsolete, can we repeal the 19th amendment? If suffrage is obsolete, can we repeal
the 19th amendment?" And there is a clip. I think that we can and we should, number one. Shout out
to 21 Trips. Clip three is what I wanted to play. Let's go ahead and play this. Clip three, which
I think demonstrates the fact that we should repeal the 19th amendment ASAP. Check it out
for yourself. Honestly, everything about her, I just support her. No, I don't love, I don't need
to love any president necessarily, but I support her. You're with Kamala though? I am. All right.
You plan on voting in the presidential election? I already voted. You already voted? Who did you
vote for? Kamala. Why do you like Kamala? I said she's pretty straight. What do you like best about
her plan for America? Well, productive rights for women, for starters. Do you know who you're
voting for? You don't know who you're going to vote for yet. What are the issues that might
change your mind? Like economy. Some people talk about economy. They talk about the border. Some
people talk about abortion. Abortion will be your number one issue. Who are you guys going to be
voting for? Harris. Both of you? Yes. And why do you like Harris? I just like what she stands for.
I like her as a person. She has personality. She's nice and she proves that she can push that rights.
Are there rights that people are being denied that she's going to give them?
I mean, it's treatment, it's involvement in the military, trans people. Trump took them out of the military.
There was just treatment of them.
Are you going to be voting in the presidential election?
Um, yes I am.
Who are you going to be voting for?
Um, where is this going to be posted?
On my channel.
I host a political talk show.
I'll probably be voting for Kamala.
Kamala? And what do you like about Kamala?
Um, I just feel like she's overall a lot more respectful of different groups in America.
And I'm always doing it for my class right now, so I'm a little distracted.
Who do you plan on voting for?
Um, Kamala Harris.
What about you?
Not st- still undecided?
Still undecided.
And why do you like Kamala?
Um, my family's just Democratic and I'm from the North, so.
Okay. So you're just doing what your family has done for you?
Talk great.
Like, kinda. But also like, personal views.
I wonder why our country screwed up.
What views of Kamala do you like?
Um, Paul. Like, abortion policy views.
Abortion policy views.
Any other issues that are key for you?
Not really.
Just abortion is the main issue?
Yeah.
As long as I can kill my baby, I don't really care about anything else.
Kamala.
Kamala, I'm sorry. Get it right.
We like her, um, stances and views.
Like, which ones do you like the most?
Uh, abortion, the stances, just on welfare in general.
Welfare in general, ladies and gentlemen.
No, not for that as much.
So your big issues are like welfare, abortion.
Yes, more social issues.
Although I do think her approach to like the economic state and stuff is better.
The economic state and stuff.
You like her economy, policies and stuff?
I wonder why, you know, getting rid of the Ten Commandments was not a good idea.
The Biden-Harris administration or the first Trump administration?
I think even if people said it wasn't better under the Biden-Harris administration,
it was because of the policies Trump had set for her.
So it was Trump's fault?
Yes.
Okay.
Why do you like Paula?
Um, I just like her policies.
Ah, good morals.
Very moral.
Can I get films?
Yes.
Can we not?
Wow.
Yeah, the woman who wants trans kids and puberty blockers for children and just
murdering babies and war.
I just like her personality.
Is it that whore's forehead or what is it that they really like about her?
She's just very moral, you know?
They can't articulate anything, but there is one policy that they can articulate, abortion.
Yeah.
So people say, "Oh, why do you want to repeal the 19th Amendment?"
There's many reasons, but there's Exhibit A as to why we would push for something like that,
repealing the 19th Amendment.
I just don't think it's biblical either.
Men should be the ones who are in charge in this country.
The reason why America is going to hell in a hand basket, one of the reasons I should say,
is because the authority of the man is under attack severely and has actually deteriorated
severely in this country, and there should be some hair-legged men that stand up and say,
"Hey, if there is going to be a democratic process, it ought to be engaged in only by men
who are leading their household the way it should be done."
That sounds misogynistic, and I'm really offended right now.
Be as offended as you want.
My wife says she doesn't like what you said, so I'm going to have to tell you you can't say it.
You'll have to deal with that when you get home.
Look, folks, my wife doesn't even watch the show, so it's obviously that's not something to say.
No, someone said in-and-out fries.
We have a rough audience, okay?
In-and-out fries?
I mean, is that how low we've gotten?
I mean, we have people advocating for abortion and in-and-out fries.
They're probably healthier than your average fast food fries.
I'll give them that.
Well, we're still trying to get Pastor Thompson in.
Hopefully we can get him in here.
Sorry for the technical difficulties.
The Bible... This is what you get on a live show, right?
Yes. Isaiah chapter 3, it says, "Children are their oppressors and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of thy paths."
Women ruling over you is a curse.
And children, think about this.
They're voting. So in a sense, they have rule over us to some degree, right?
So we're letting these young, foolish people who are just these young, silly women laden with sins
to essentially make a vote for who would rule over us.
And they would vote in oppression. They would vote in communism.
And they don't even understand, like, anything.
They really are, in many ways, very uneducated.
They pretty much know TikTok.
Like, they know how to scroll on TikTok and they know how to pick up dates on Tinder or whatever.
Oh, man.
And they just want to make sure that after they make a bunch of bad decisions,
they can end the life of a child that they procured through their fornication
and through their sin.
It's like I don't understand how God is like super mad at our nation.
I mean, it's obvious that he is.
I mean, we're not getting blessed at all right now.
I mean, some women will murder their child and then divorce their husband and take all his money.
You know, we need some of that preaching back several years ago.
I heard a preacher online recently.
He had said a few years ago that these women,
they should be horse whipped and a cast iron skillet used on them.
And, you know, it's kind of interesting.
Now they don't say that anymore.
Now they say something different, but maybe they're just joking.
You know, everything's a joke, right?
Isn't that a weird excuse if your preaching is just always joking?
Like you can never take anything you say as serious?
I mean, I can't relate to that.
I get mad all the time in preaching or even just on our podcast.
There's been some times where I'll get angry about a subject
and it's never occurred to me while I'm ranting to start
saying things that are completely false or that I don't really mean
or something like that.
I would think when you're angry you're more likely to say something
you really do mean in the harshest way possible because you're pissed off.
Isn't that the way it works?
If college didn't exist, if women were not allowed to enter into college
would we have way less abortion and way less communism and way less fornication?
You could argue those are fornication factors.
I'm not against education.
I'm just saying in general is college really actually a net good
in our society right now?
And again like historically colleges were mostly for doctors,
lawyers and young men wanting to become preachers.
I mean in fact Harvard was starting to be a Bible college
and I think a lot of them were Bible colleges.
But now we have girls walking around half naked telling us they want to kill children.
Like that's that's now college.
I mean like what what class are they going to to be educated in that particular subject?
I mean if they're getting a gender studies degree maybe they have a few classes about
how wonderful murdering babies truly is and how it's a necessity in our society.
I don't know but I think the university system has been totally captured.
It's controlled.
It is a propaganda camp for leftism which is really no different than satanism at this point.
It is that evil.
They are bloodthirsty.
They hate God and the Bible says all that they hate me love death.
These people love death.
They hate the most innocent lives among us being babies and there's no doubt in my mind
that when you want to talk about the degradation of our culture and our society today and feminism
and satanism and communism and marxism.
It's coming from these institutions like the one that you saw in that video and look what
it produces brain dead lemmings who can barely tie their own shoelaces running around talking
about how badly they want to murder their own babies.
It is disgusting.
Well, someone, 21 Tripp said there's plenty of fornication going on in the ghetto without
any college too.
That is a fair point.
Why do you think they put the Planned Parenthoods in the predominantly black communities in
the inner cities thinking that that's going to somehow improve their situation when in
fact all it does is make it worse?
But obviously they're not all like that because you go in these areas so many and there's
tons of kids.
There's plenty of kids.
A lot of these people don't have this murderous, vile hatred towards children that they would
want to murder their own children.
So I don't think that college necessarily is forcing people to be promiscuous.
I don't think being poor, I don't think being black, I don't think anything.
I think just in general we just don't have fathers protecting their daughters from these
particular situations.
And we've really devalued marriage as a whole, as a society, and as a result of that, because
we don't have fathers protecting their daughters, trying to keep them pure, trying to keep them
out of harm's way, they're just being trashed by society and taken advantage of because
they really just don't know any better.
And I think a lot of the responsibility goes on to the fathers.
I think as fathers, again, no father can be perfect, no father can, obviously young girls
can still rebel, young girls can still do all kinds of different things, and you can
only go so far.
But at the same time, I think it could reduce it greatly if the fathers would take this
burden of, you know, essentially making sure their daughters are virgin.
And this kind of brings up a question, I think, and I'd like to get your perspective because
in the Bible you get paid a dowry for a virgin.
And I almost wonder if that societal pressure and that societal construct incentivizes fathers
to actually take care of their daughters, you know, whereas now it's like a burden,
she costs all this money and she just wanted to get out of the house and so he's just like,
fine.
But if it was something like, hey, if I keep her in line and I'm taking care of her and
whatever I'm providing for her, I can get a dowry by her being a presentable spouse
and presentable mate and she's chaste, like I almost feel like the dowry method is actually
a beneficial thing of society.
What do you think?
I'm just kind of curious.
Like, do you think the dowry is just an Old Testament relic, let's not worry about it?
Or do you think it actually could benefit a society if it was brought back?
I could see some positives associated with it, as our producer pointed out in our internal
chat.
It could incentivize men to work hard to save up enough money for that dowry.
I think, as you had mentioned as well, that it could also incentivize fathers to be a
little bit more protective over their daughters, but you know, frankly speaking, I don't think
you should require monetary gain to be incentivized to protect your daughter and not want her
to go out and be a whore. And I don't think that you should need that, but I think there's
some positives that you could associate with that system, for sure. I think society was
a lot better when we had that in place. I think it promotes more of a traditional view,
more of a conservative view on marriage. So, I mean, off the top of my head, I can't really
think of anything that would be problematic, but is there anything that opponents of that
have thrown at you to say, "No, I don't think there should be a dowry system in 2024"?
Well, someone puts up it's bad for poor people, and I guess that's a fair criticism.
Just depends on how much that dowry is, I guess.
I do think, though, that in general, if it was not necessarily arbitrary, but it's something
kind of a customary thing like, "Hey, $5,000 or $10,000 or something like that," then I
think a lot of young men would be happy to pay that today.
I think if today you said, "Hey, you're struggling to date and you want to find a young, virtuous
woman who's going to be a virgin, who's going to be faithful, who's going to be loyal, who
wants to serve you, who wants to be a good housewife," I think you would have guys lining
up to pay $10,000 to procure that type of a relationship, to basically say, "Hey, I
want to court your daughter, and if she's interested in me, I would more than willingly
pay $10,000 to have that security that that's the case."
I don't think that you would really have a lot of people bucking at that.
Again, the dowry doesn't even necessarily have to be everybody.
It's more of a tradition than it is a law.
Obviously, there are going to be some people that just don't care, and then poor people,
and cheap people, and whatever can do their own thing.
If a lot of people were doing that, I think it could benefit society.
Now again, I'm not going to start it, somebody's like, "Hey, are you going to..."
Everything I'm saying right now is just a theory.
Yeah, it's just theory.
I'm just kind of putting it out there.
I think we already have something that you could maybe make the claim is somewhat loosely
affiliated with what you're talking about, and that's the concept of purchasing a wedding
ring.
That is expensive.
But wait a minute.
Here's the thing.
The dad doesn't get that.
The dad doesn't get that money.
The jewelry store does.
And I'm saying, as a father, you have no incentive to keep your daughter pure.
And a virgin and a good quality option for the young man, except for just love.
That should be enough motivation though.
It should.
But I'm just saying, does the dowry then financially incentivize them too so that way they're making
sure that they're procuring a suitable spouse?
I think another thing that can happen though at the dowry, and this is another objection
that I've heard, is instead of them being well-suited to a mate, it just makes rich
people or people with more money be able to procure marriages.
Instead of them being married based on love, it's like a rich man's game.
But I think, again, if it's like $5,000, $10,000 or something like that, I think that that's
reasonable that every young man could, "Hey, I have to work for three, five, six months
or something to save a bunch of money," and it makes it serious though.
You don't want to just drop $10,000 on a bride that you don't really care about.
You don't want to drop $10,000 on her that you're going to divorce quickly.
To me, it almost shows a commitment on both sides.
There's a little bit of incentive there.
There's a little bit of social pressure.
You're taking it seriously.
You can't get married in five minutes.
In a lot of ways, I think it kind of maybe brings us back to an idea of needing virginity
to be an important thing.
I don't know.
I'm not really against it, I guess, as a societal construct.
Obviously, I don't know how you'd bring that back, and I'm not going to start implementing
it or anything like that.
Hey.
I mean, you say you're not going to ...
I will be very choosy over allowing who my daughter dates.
Sure.
Well, you can't ... Let me start over here.
You said you didn't want to start it, but hey, why not?
Maybe you could be the one that bring it into society.
Let's ask him comments in the chat.
I want to see what our audience thinks on this.
If you think that the dowry should be brought back, give us some Ws.
If you think it's just a total failure, put some Ls.
I want to see what our chat thinks, and especially if you're a young man, tell me, would you
be willing to pay a dowry to get this kind of like for sure virgin bride?
I'm kind of interested in what people think.
We also are opening our phone lines, 231 Baptist.
You can join in.
We've got some people on the spaces.
We might try to invite them as a speaker as well, and we'll try to go to our caller.
Let's go ahead and go to, we got a caller, Mike, and let's see if we can get his question
here.
Mike, how's it going?
Good.
How about you?
Doing great.
Where are you from?
I'm from Maine.
Come on in.
That's pretty far up there north.
Can you still hear us okay?
Yes.
What's your question?
My question is, some people believe this.
Why do we have to have our chest covered?
I know that God gave them coats, but what are your thoughts on that?
Are you talking about like from a man's perspective, like why should men wear a shirt or something?
Yes, exactly.
Why does the man have to wear a shirt?
Well again, I think there's probably different opinions out there.
I'm sure every one of my opinions can get me in trouble, but I don't think that biblically
there's anything you could say that it's like a sin for a man to not have a shirt on.
I think that really most of the argumentation about shirts comes into a question of like
modesty and discretion.
So the Bible does give us like a few verses that are vague about being modest in general.
And so I think in some ways you could argue that especially in certain situations, it's
a little immodest to not have a shirt on.
Obviously restaurants will even say like no shirt, no service.
Obviously coming into church seems a little bit immodest if someone didn't have a shirt
on.
So I think, you know, it's kind of just a contextual thing.
Obviously there's nothing wrong with just not having a shirt on as far as like there's
no verse that just says men can't have a shirt on.
I think obviously for women, you know, because part of their body is seen as being something
that men find satisfaction in, it seems really embodist for a woman to not be wearing a shirt.
But even according to Texas state law and a lot of states, breastfeeding is legal.
So you know, I think it's just kind of a discretion and a modesty thing.
What do you think about those thoughts, Mike?
I think yes, the Bible definitely doesn't have any verse on whether the man has to wear
a shirt or not, and I think that it's definitely immodest, but you shouldn't be going places
without a shirt.
Like you said, no shirt, no service.
So thank you very much.
Yeah, thanks for calling in.
Thanks, Mike, for giving us a chat.
If you want to call in 231-BABDIST, you can join us and we can put your chat.
Somebody said the Spaces audio is kind of coming in now.
I don't know.
And you guys in the Spaces, give me a thumbs up if it's working out okay for you.
I'll kind of check over there and make sure you guys are able to hear us and we can add.
Pastor Thompson, we added you back as a co-host.
I don't know if you're able to hear us and you can chat with us again.
I made myself a speaker.
Oops.
Someone's talking.
Someone's there.
He said he made himself a speaker and then he stopped talking.
We tried to add Springcrest Baptist as well.
How's it going?
We'll see if they can unmute or talk.
If you want to talk, you can join us here on Space.
Just say hey or whatever.
You can interrupt us if you need to.
Let's look at another.
There's another question here in the chat by Bad Brand.
It says, "Is the 'they' in John 8.33 referring to the Jews?"
I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
Is that Pastor Reyes?
How's it going?
Yeah, we can hear you.
I don't know if you can hear us.
Hey.
How's it going?
Somehow our space is just...
This is like Alex Jones' nightmare.
Alright, let's see if we can get through this question.
Is the "they" in John 8.33 referring to the Jews that did not believe?
Or is it still referring to John 8.31, then said Jesus to those Jews which believed?
So maybe we can pull up that.
I think it's about the Jews that have not believed.
I'm going to see if I can pull that up on my screen.
My thought is that it's about the Jews who did not believe, but feel free to contradict
me if you want.
I love contradicting you.
But okay, so John 8, what was the verse again?
Verse 33 is what he was asking about.
Okay.
"Then they answered him, 'We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man.
How sayest thou?
Ye shall be made free.'"
So I guess the question is the very first part of this.
They answered him.
I mean, I agree that it seems very clear that this would be the unsaved answering this particular
way, because they're asking, "How sayest thou?
Ye shall be made free."
But the free is being saved.
So I would think that almost directly implies that they don't understand the freedom of
salvation.
They don't understand how the truth shall make you free, because that's the verse proceeding,
right?
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
What does the truth make you free from?
From the penalty of sin.
And so they don't understand that.
They think that it's through physical lineage or through their works or through the law.
And so that's why they're asking, "Hey, we're not in bondage."
But they are in bondage.
They're bondaged to sin.
And that's what he's alluding to.
So the fact that they don't understand that they're in bondage to sin, to me, almost directly
implies that they're not saved.
I'm guessing that's kind of how you look at it too.
Yeah?
Hey, can you guys hear me now?
Yeah, we can hear you.
Can you hear us?
Yeah.
So it wasn't letting me play if I was having you live on Rumble.
That's what was going on.
Oh, okay.
Well, this is Pastor Reyes.
How's it going?
Good.
How's it going, Ben?
Doing great.
Great to hear from you, Pastor Reyes.
Thank you for coming on to our stream tonight.
How are things going in Houston?
They're going well.
I appreciate you asking.
It's going good.
Just busy.
Well, we want to recommend Spring Crest Baptist Church to anyone listening in the Houston
area.
It's a great church with a good pastor right there, Pastor Reyes, and I believe also there's
another pastor.
Pastor Cobb?
Pastor Cobb.
How does y'all services work, does Pastor Cobb usually preach your morning services
or how does that work?
So we were alternating, but last week he basically said that he's just going to let me run with
everything and if I need him to, I guess call in, you know, tag him in, but he's like look
with everybody coming in and stuff, just run with it.
That's what the Lord laid on my heart.
Because I'm just basically Pastor Emeritus and that's where we're at, it's a choice.
I'm never going to ask him not to preach or step down.
That's not my call.
I know some people, but you know, as long as he wants to preach, I mean we're always
going to, he's more than welcome.
How long have you been at this church?
Since 2013, so it's 2013, so 11 years.
Wow, so 11 years.
That's a long time.
That's great because many people do not stick with a church for very long and for someone
to stick for a church for like over a decade is a major milestone.
And so that's really impressive for you to be faithful to that church and serving and
just being humble.
That's what I love about Pastor A is he's such a humble guy.
And I think one of the first times we got to hang out is we went to Mexico together.
You went with me to a missions trip to Sonora.
I can't remember if we hung out that much before that, but I remember that trip.
I got to meet the twins and listen to you go back and forth with them.
That was interesting.
Well you got to hear my gringo Spanish.
So that's…
I've always told you, you're the one that inspired any of the Spanish content we have.
Until then, it just didn't even dawn on me that we should do that.
And there's a big need.
So I appreciate you doing that.
No, I'm glad that you came out with me and you've come out with us on a lot of our
trips.
We went down to Ramosa and we've gone to some other missions trips.
Yeah, definitely.
I appreciate it.
But yeah, I don't want to distract.
I didn't even know how I got in as a mic, so I appreciate you guys letting me speak.
But do your thing and I'll listen in.
Well, do you have a question that we can…
It's a Bible Q&A.
Do you have anything that you want to bring up?
If I just wanted to know if you were going to condemn or condone the dowry, I don't
have a question right now specifically, but if I think of one, I'll bring it up.
I'm very offended by the dowry and I totally condemn it.
I got a text from my wife.
She told me I had to do it, so there you go.
How is it even bad for women?
I just do what my wife says.
She told me to condemn it, I'm condemning it.
Well, at least you submit yourselves one to another in the Lord, for there's neither
male nor female, and to the women, that desire shall be to this husband and you shall rule
over him.
Isn't that what it says?
I think so.
One of the modern versions, maybe?
I don't know.
The ESV says your desire will be contrary to your husband.
I mean, I can't imagine how great Kamala, I mean, if we have a woman president, I just
can't imagine how great that will be.
And women politicians have really helped our nation.
It seems like women, I think feminism is actually like a biblical doctrine.
I think that it really helps society.
I don't think historically it's been tied to communism or overthrows of countries and
governments.
The destruction of the nuclear family unit.
I don't think that that's the case.
I don't think it's the destruction of the unborn.
I think it's actually a really positive thing historically.
And so it's important that we do whatever women tell us.
If they ask us to eat from the tree in the midst of the garden, you know, we just do
it.
If they tell us to sleep with our handmaid Hagar, we just do it.
If they tell us to kill the prophet of God, you know, if Jezebel says, "Kill the prophet
of God," you just do it, right?
If Jezebel gets up in the church and preaches fornication, you just commit fornication,
right?
I mean, if they tell you to go out and dwell in the wilderness, you just do it.
They don't even have to tell you, they just have to be angry at you.
So, yeah, I mean, obviously women, you know, are really helping our nation right now, and
we need a lot more of their great ideas.
Because maybe we should go to college campus again and have them teach us the Bible.
Maybe that should be a sign, like, teach me something in the Bible, and we can have them.
Maybe they could have their own little show where they teach us the Bible.
That would be a good idea.
You're getting spicier and spicier here.
Well, I'm just, you know, I'm not really, I'm just trying to help our nation and help
our country.
I see.
I don't know if we have any, yeah, Athaliah was queen, that was a great period of history.
Athaliah was queen, it's biblical.
Esther, queen, biblical, Vashhti, what a great person in the Bible.
But have you considered my servant Deborah?
That's like basically their argument every single time, right?
Deborah's in the Bible, so there we go.
There was like 18 Marys, so you know, that's good.
Let's see if we can get some more questions in here before we just nuke our entire show.
Is Ukraine World War III?
I would think that the Israel conflict is more World War III than Ukraine.
I'm going to say no.
Now, let's modify the question.
Could Ukraine-Russia conflict lead to World War III?
And that, yes.
The answer to that is yes.
It could lead to World War III, you know, but I don't think that it is right now.
But of course, it could in the future lead to World War III because you have Ukraine
in the West against Russia and Iran and China.
So that is what will eventually lead to the next World War, which I think will actually
help bring us one step closer to the end times commencing and the rise of the Antichrist and
all of that fun stuff.
Someone asked, "How can Elon land a rocket from space but can't make spaces work on X?"
Pretty good question.
It's been months now where spaces has been broken, glitchy, having issues.
Good help is hard to find, I think is the answer to that.
Isn't Tim Poole shutting down?
Have you heard this?
I have not.
Tim Poole's shutting down his podcast because "people can't work hard" or something.
It's like he builds a skate park and tries to have a coffee shop and hires all these
libertarian left-wing individuals and then he's like, "No one seems to want to work.
People are just kind of sitting around and just kind of doing stuff and I'm having to
work like 16-hour days just to get things done and it's like..."
I wonder if he realizes that left-wing ideology doesn't produce the best results.
It doesn't produce great workers, folks.
But I'm sorry, like, there's something weird about this.
Why in the world...
Tim Poole has been the biggest Trump supporter, constantly called for civil war.
Why would he shut down right before the election?
Isn't that a little...
I mean, if you've been going this long, working that hard, wouldn't you keep going?
Well, it's like, to me, the same concept as when someone leaves church for a stupid reason.
There probably was an actual reason that they're not revealing.
Yeah, but do you think there's, like, literal pressure on him from some, like, dark force
to shut down?
Yeah, I'm sure there is.
There's probably pressure on a lot of these guys to shut down and stop doing what they're
doing politically.
I wouldn't be surprised at that at all.
Someone put in here, "Has anyone seen the DVD 'A City Lost'?"
Has anyone seen 'A City Lost' not really wanting to pay $50 for a DVD from Framing the World?
I thought that was a documentary.
Anywhere you can see it free.
So this guy wants the Chinese bootleg.
I'm not going to tell you where you can find the Chinese bootleg of 'A City Lost.'
All right?
That's just not right.
I can't do it.
I'm not sure if I understand.
Maybe they can post in the chat again.
Is that the documentary where they basically talk about cities that had been destroyed,
like the Mayan civilization and all these different...
No, no.
They're framing the world documentary.
Oh, okay.
Oh, it's...
Oh, okay, I see.
Yeah, just give Paul money if you want to watch his movie.
I wouldn't do that.
Anywhere you can see it free.
Someone said, "Should Christians submit to the draft?"
I mean, honestly, I would not give a yes or no there because I think for each individual,
that's their own choice.
I mean, I would.
Well, yeah, but I think in the Vietnam War specifically, because it's called draft dodgers
and stuff like this, if you didn't go, it's a felony, you could be arrested.
I think a lot of people are fleeing the country, people are breaking their legs, people are
doing all kinds of crazy stuff to not get drafted.
And obviously, who wants to go to the Middle East to just fight World War III?
I can't blame anybody that doesn't want to do that or wants to seek an alternative.
But at the same time, there are serious consequences.
And if someone just says, "I'm just going to do my two years," or whatever, I'm not
going to be mad at them because, frankly speaking, it's a tough decision, I think.
I don't know what the right answer to that is.
I guess I'd be willing to hear arguments.
Do you have a scriptural argument?
I would have to think about a scriptural argument.
My personal opinion is no, based on the fact that I would not want to be forced to go
fight a war for Jews.
So I for sure would have nothing to do with something like that.
The Bible does tell us that the weapons of warfare are not carnal.
The Bible does say that we fight a spiritual battle for we wrestle not against flesh and
blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness
of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
So the principle is there that we're supposed to be fighting a spiritual battle, not a carnal
one.
And I don't think that the American philosophy on military action is biblical.
I think it's actually satanic.
I think it's actually based on covetousness and the love of money.
So those are principles I would use to back up my opinion.
That's all I really have to say about that.
I would for sure want to not have anything to do with that.
Well, Pillar and Ground says I would never want to go to war for Israel and accidentally
run into Ben.
So I'll be on the other side of that.
Here's the thing though.
Like I don't want to just condemn the draft because let's take the American Revolutionary
War.
What if you're drafted to defend yourself from an invader or what if you're drafted
to fight a war that is not necessarily as convoluted as World War III.
I don't think you could say that being drafted and going to serve your country or defend
your country is an unbiblical concept.
I think what people are upset about is potentially going to war for an unholy, unrighteous war.
An unjust war.
And doing things that are kind of wicked.
See I don't view that as obeying the higher powers because the wars that the United States
gets involved in are unjust.
They're wicked, they're evil, they serve the ruling class elites, and their incestuous
relationship with weapons manufacturers.
I don't see a biblical justification for that.
Someone says, "Doesn't Joe Rogan only have two employees?
It doesn't take much to run a podcast."
That is sad.
I think Tim Pool said that he takes 16 employees to run his show.
But I think that they have four or five people on their show that are all talking and they're
all interacting.
Then obviously there's going to be a camera switcher, whatever.
I think they also have a person that is constantly bringing in guests.
There's people that are taking care of flying them in, taking care of their accommodations.
I think it is a sizable operation, like what they are doing, but couldn't they, quote,
scale back?
Couldn't he just bring people in via internet or TV or whatever?
Again, it's like maybe they just can't hire smart people or good people or whatever.
Our production crews out of this world, folks, and sometimes you get what you pay for.
We don't even get what you pay for, we're getting over the top service here.
We need them to fix spaces for us.
Someone asks if Texas is more left-wing than California at this present time.
Absolutely.
What makes you say that?
Well, I mean, just the crazy persecution you guys went through, I would have never thought
Texas would do something like that.
That's for what?
That was insane.
Yeah.
Kind of hard to defend Texas with that kind of...
It doesn't seem, Pastor Reyes, that we have any less faggots here than California.
Yeah, I agree.
Well, here's my view, is that the gospel itself has a radicalizing effect on people.
And I mean, you can't argue that Texas doesn't seem to have the most churches and the most
even big churches, so it's probably like a reprobate factory.
We probably just have this incessant, just constant procuring and creation of reprobates.
Because it seems like California, they're not really being made in California.
It's that it's a magnet, and so you just have certain population centers like San Francisco
and Hollywood where they're just sucking in a large group of these people from all over
the country.
And so it's not really representative of California.
It's just that they have a couple really big strong magnets in San Francisco and in Hollywood
and LA but the rest of the state really isn't like that, isn't really necessarily filled
with people like that.
And again, these are like over the top generalizations and obviously there's going to be liberal
parts of California for sure.
I'm just saying it seems like there's a lot of conservatives in California and that it's
just those few big magnets pulling people in.
Whereas Texas is almost like a factory, like we're producing the people that are going
to go move to Austin or move to one of these areas with Chicago, Austin, New York, LA,
San Francisco.
It seems like those are kind of the hubs and obviously for Austin to exist, Texas has some
issues.
I mean, have you been to Austin lately, Pester Reyes?
No, specifically because of that.
It's bad.
It is.
It's really, well, I grew up, I have family in Austin, so I grew up going for years before
I was saved and shortly after.
It was bad then, so I can only imagine how bad it is now.
Yeah, I can't, I mean, I visited there a few years ago and I was just in shock how many
people there were just like these open sodomites just walking up and down everywhere and, you
know, maybe it was just the area I was in.
I have gone to some other areas that I thought were really not that bad at all.
That motto of keep Austin weird almost seems like it's kind of legit.
Even the Riverwalk, like I remember the Riverwalk used to be in a cool place when I was a kid,
but now it's just like all these homeless derelicts and weirdos and it just seems like
Austin's definitely rotting at the core a little bit.
I'm sure there's still a lot of good areas and good people, but in general, like I found
Austin to be a pretty, uh, a pretty, pretty nightmarish place compared to other areas.
Have you been to Austin Ben?
We went together trying to sell you on it.
I went.
Yeah, I know.
It's actually once for our soul hunting marathon and then once you and I went together for
the vaccine movie.
But I mean, I've been there plenty of times and there's some still normal areas and people
and you know, obviously if you go downtown Dallas, I could take you to a neighborhood
that'll make, you know, the hair stick up on the back of your neck.
So it's not like there isn't some super liberal, terrible areas in Dallas too.
Dallas has tons of liberal areas.
I think every city is going to have its good parts and its bad parts.
Even Houston.
I'm sure Houston has its areas too, right Pastor Reyes?
Oh yeah, Montrose is disgusting.
We don't even go down there.
Where is that?
It's near downtown, like two or three miles from downtown.
It's a whole street area.
Literally, they're waving the flags.
Everything is rainbow crosswalks the whole night.
That's where they have the heartbreak.
I mean, Florida has it too, doesn't it Ben?
Bagots?
Like bad city areas.
Miami.
I mean, for sure.
Jacksonville has some really nasty areas.
What about Orlando?
We are Orlando.
Orlando is gross.
Everybody thinks Orlando is just Disney World.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Orlando is a gross city.
And then there's parts of Miami that aren't so good.
So where do we go if we're going to Florida?
Fort Lauderdale, Sunrise, West Palm Beach, Tampa, Bradenton, Sarasota, Ponte Vedra.
Is Tampa kind of like Trump, Trumpville?
Like is Tampa kind of like a Trump area?
Yeah.
What about, what about like Mar-Lago itself obviously is a Trump beacon.
But is that area very pro-Trump you think?
Or is it pretty liberal?
That's South Florida.
Yeah.
South Florida around Miami is going to be liberal.
Okay.
Because of the, you know, Hispanics for whatever reason, they like the Democratic party down
there.
Hey, we have a good question in the chat room about Romans chapter 11 in verse two, where
the Bible reads, "God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew, wo ye not what the
scripture saith of Elias, how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they
have killed thy prophets and digged down thine altars, and I am left alone, and they seek
my life."
Et cetera.
It goes on.
But specifically, he asks, Romans 11, 2 and Romans 11, 26 are proof texts that Zionists
use to worship Jews.
Aren't Gentile believers considered Jews and Jacob/Israel?
Is this accurate to say?
I do think it's accurate to say that Gentiles can be considered Israel spiritually.
They're not all Israel, which are of Israel, the Bible says in Romans chapter 9.
So that statement, yes, I do think it's accurate to say.
As far as verse 2 is concerned, and maybe Pastor Shelley, you and I have a slightly
different view on this.
I don't know, but I think that when it said God had not cast away His people, it's talking
about His people, like people who are saved, which He foreknew.
And He hasn't cast them away because they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.
So when the New Testament came, there was no need for them to be cast away or cast out
because they believed.
I think that there are people who believed under the Old Testament that were God's chosen
people, and there's still God's chosen people in the New Testament, so that's what I think
about that.
And then of course, verse 26, when it says, "And so all Israel shall be saved as it is
written that shall come out of Zion a deliverer and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob."
We've talked about that on prior episodes of our show, but here's a very, very quick
explanation.
In the millennium, everybody who is a part of Israel will be saved because it will consist
of regenerated Jews and Gentiles who believed.
So that's what that is referring to.
Yeah, I mean, obviously his people is going to be the saved, the true Israel.
I think, obviously, we agree on Romans 11.
We agree on Romans 11.
Hey, we didn't used to, but, you know, now we do agree, so that's good.
What happened?
What changed?
Well, we had a discussion on it and, you know, I changed my mind totally on my own, not because
of you, Pastor Shelley.
Okay.
You used to have somebody else's view, right?
You can make that argument.
Okay, well, there's a, let's play this clip.
We got, we had this Trump clip up here forever.
I feel like Trump's about to die, so we need to, we need to play this clip here.
I don't even know what it is.
There's a group called White Dudes for Harris.
Have you seen this?
White Dudes for Harris.
Sounds gay.
Anybody know it?
Are some of you here?
White Dudes for Harris.
It doesn't sound like it, but I'm not worried about them at all because their wives and
their wives' lovers are all voting for me.
Every one of those people is voting for me.
Chuck Schumer is here looking very glum, he looks glum.
But look on the bright side, Chuck, considering how woke your party has become.
If Kamala loses, you still have a chance to become the first woman president.
If you really wanted Vice President Harris to accept your invitation, I guess you should
have told her the funds were going to bail out the looters and rioters in Minneapolis
and she would have been here, guaranteed she would have been here.
Guaranteed.
She would have been okay.
She would have been okay with that.
The only piece of advice I would have for her and the event that she wins would be
not to let her husband Doug anywhere near the nannies, just keep him away.
That's a nasty one.
That's nasty.
I told these idiots they gave me this stuff.
That's too tough.
Right now we have someone in the White House who can barely talk, barely put together
the two coherent sentences, who seems to have mental faculties of a child, they say.
There's a person that has nothing going, no intelligence whatsoever, but enough about
Kamala Harris.
The Al something dinner.
Unfortunately, Governor Walsh isn't here himself, but don't worry, he'll say that
he was.
He's going to say he was.
I used to think that Democrats were crazy for saying that men have periods, but then
I met Tim Walz, Democrats really wanted to have someone not be with us this evening.
They would have just sent Joe Biden.
You know, he's having second thoughts.
You know that, right?
He's having, he wants to come back.
If she does any worse than the polls, they're going to bring him back again.
I think Chuck, he's going to do it.
He's the one that got him out.
That's the guy.
Much more so than crazy Nancy, I will tell you, because I know him.
He did it.
Joe has almost disappeared from view.
The only way he could be seen less is if he had a show on CNN, they'd not.
This isn't my normal crowd tonight, because it just isn't.
It's not my normal crowd.
Believe me, my normal crowd is younger, has a lot more energy, but you have certain advantages
too, like cash, lots of cash.
Tradition holds that I'm supposed to tell a few self-deprecating jokes this evening.
So here it goes.
Got nothing.
There's nothing to say.
The two candidates for president are supposed to exchange good-natured barbs.
And you know, we get along very well.
I didn't like Biden very much, and now I like him quite a bit, you know.
And now I say that she's much worse than him.
He was a much better candidate than her, actually.
And when we hopefully win, dispose of her, I like her a lot.
But right now I can't stand her.
It's true.
I can't stand her.
I've never liked people that I was competing against.
I must say I was shocked when I heard that Kamala was skipping the Al Smith dinner.
I really hoped that she would come because we can't get enough of hearing her beautiful
laugh.
She laughs like crazy.
We would recognize it anyplace in this room.
We have another former New York City mayor with us, frankly, easily the worst in our
history.
And it's not Michael that I can tell you.
I'm surprised that Bill de Blasio was actually able to make it tonight, to be honest.
He was a terrible mayor.
I don't give a shit if this is comedy enough.
He was a terrible mayor.
He did a horrible, he did a horrible job.
That's not comedy, by the way, that's fact.
At a funeral yesterday in a rare moment of clarity, Joe told Barack Hussein Obama that,
quote, "Only a few people got that.
She's not as strong as me.
She's not as strong.
Do you understand that?"
And Obama agreed, saying, "That's true.
Other than that, I think the Democrats are getting along quite well.
Many of you are Manhattan liberals from the media and the Democrat Party.
I always say the Democrat, you know, Chuck doesn't like that.
He likes Democratic.
And it sounds much more beautiful, the Democratic Party.
I always say the Democrat Party because it sounds worse.
It is true.
He likes Democratic.
Demon rat.
I like that.
Why don't they just change the name?
This way, what?
You know, it is Democrat.
Well, I'd better wrap up because Mayor Adams told me earlier that I needed to make this
one very quick, especially the city has reserved this room for a large group of illegal aliens
coming in from Texas.
They told me the last time I did this, I was running against Crooked Hillary.
And I mean, Hillary, I was running against Crooked Hillary and I did it and I thought
it was a roast.
So I was told it's a roast.
And I had the meanest guy you've ever seen write stuff up and man was the room angry.
Even the Cardinal remembers.
I went overboard.
Don't you agree?
It was like terrible.
And I knew I was in trouble around midway through because, you know, people are not
even my own side was angry at me.
They were saying it's too much.
But I did it anyway.
I didn't give it.
There you go.
That was pretty funny.
That's a little bit more reminiscent of 2016.
Isn't it?
Yeah, he was even referencing how he did the same thing in 2016 and went after Hillary
hardcore and people didn't like it.
So some Al something I heard somebody try to bring the name in there.
Al Smith.
Thank you.
Al Smith dinner.
It's a tradition in politics for them all to come together and then, you know, just
have some laughs.
Kamala didn't show up.
So there you go.
Biden didn't either.
Well, even if he was presently there, he wouldn't have actually shown up.
Would he have had some ice cream?
He's so mentally shot.
He would have sat there drooling over himself with his, uh, his mouth agape.
I feel like I'm hungry for some questions.
I'm not getting any questions.
I guess, I guess we've already answered every question.
Well, if somebody asks is Pastor Shelley voting for Trump, I put no in there for you, so.
No, I mean, honestly, I'm not against people voting for Trump.
Like I'm not, I don't hate you.
I'm not mad at you.
You know, if you want to do that, you can do you.
I just, you know, I have so many things in my life that are important that going down
to vote for him is just not something I want to do.
And again, I'm not, obviously I understand that Trump's the lesser of two evils.
And so that's kind of the, that's the logic I think people are using to vote for him.
And I'm not even against that logic in theory.
You know, you can, you can do nothing.
You can vote for the lesser of two evils.
You could just vote for the most evil just because you just want to be spiteful.
Like I don't really have much confidence in the election itself or the process.
So like to me, it's hard for me to want to participate.
Also, you know, I'm in Texas.
So like it doesn't really matter anyways, probably doesn't matter symbolic because if
Texas lost, it's because they cheated so hard and my vote wasn't going to change it.
And if I vote, it probably is just another drop in the bucket.
So, you know, again, obviously if everybody has my philosophy and I get all these different
talking points, a lot of people that I care about very much would think that I'm like
a terrible person for not voting, but um, would you at least go visit Trump burger?
What is that?
It's a restaurant that somebody started in Belleville, Texas that sells Trump burgers.
It's Trump themed.
We have to look this up.
Trump, what is it called?
Just Trump burger?
Yeah.
Trump burger in Belleville.
Oh, I'm looking it up right now.
That's how you know Texas is red.
Trump burger, Belleville, Trump burger, Belleville.
Look at that right there.
Go back.
Huh.
There you go.
It's got a Trump stamp right on it.
Where is this exactly?
Belleville.
Oh, okay.
It's near Austin.
That's pretty close to you guys.
That's down there near Hempstead.
We did a soul-winning marathon in Hempstead, one of the first ones we did with Pure Words
Baptist Church.
Yeah, I went.
It was a pretty good event.
So maybe we need to drive through Belleville and get us a Trump burger, Ben.
What do you think?
I'm down.
I love burgers.
I learn something new every day.
Yeah, my view on voting is that it's just kind of like a let every man be fully persuaded
in his own mind situation.
I'm totally against shaming people for not voting or something like that.
If they really don't want to vote, then they shouldn't vote.
And I don't think anybody's obligated to participate in the process if they just genuinely
don't believe in at all 0% either candidate or the concept of voting for the lesser of
two evils.
So just don't participate, you know.
Yeah.
21 Trips asks, do local elections matter?
For example, local state judges and
yeah, obviously voting matters.
I would never say that it doesn't because I think it does matter.
And I think obviously there's local elections that are important and I'm not against people
voting because honestly, it'd be great if we could all just vote good people in it.
Just it's a little bit disheartening how bad our elections are as far as just the candidates,
not so much.
And you know, so I mean, obviously, I don't think that there's necessarily anything wrong
with voting.
I think, obviously, if there was a good candidate, I mean, if there was a pretty decent candidate
for president, I would for sure vote for them.
Like it's not even a question.
I would definitely vote for them.
They don't have to be a Baptist.
They don't even have to be, you know, if they were just even somewhat Christian, conservative,
holding some good good positions, I'm I think that I would for sure vote for that person.
So you know, it's just it's just hard because with the Trump thing, he's like, so pro Israel,
he's not really that hardcore against abortion.
He's not really he's kind of liberal on most every social issue.
I do think economically, he has some good talking points.
I don't know that he's going to actually implement them or have the ability to.
Obviously, I think that the foreign invasion in our southern border is a huge issue and
it'd be nice to see someone fix that.
I don't think that Kamala Harris will do anything good for a nation at all.
I think that it's almost 100% bad.
And I think with Trump, you could argue maybe it's a mixed bag.
And so I guess, you know, for some people, plus again, the elections don't seem legit.
So I think voting could help, as some people say, like have a receipt to the voting election
fraud.
I don't know.
I mean, there's a lot of arguments out there.
I think Dinesh D'Souza probably made one of the best arguments of like, the political
purists never accomplish anything.
But at the same time, I think if the political purists all stayed home and didn't vote and
a particular election cycle, it would be a powerful message and it'd probably draw more
candidates out to a political purist form.
It's just right now, people are like, well, we're already sinking and we just need to
basically prevent complete nuclear destruction.
So but in some regards, don't they always say that every election cycle, I don't know,
Ben, what do you, I mean, I thought when Obama was on the election ballot, like our nation
was done.
I mean, there's hyperbole every election cycle.
This could be the last election, the most important election of our time.
So I don't personally buy into that at all.
I do plan on voting probably for Trump just as more of like a, I hate the left so much.
Here's my middle finger to you symbolic vote.
But there's not a lot about Trump, especially in the 2024 election that I could say I'm,
it's tough to say like I'm voting for a lot of things that he plans on doing more so just
against the satanic left.
I think as far as positives with Trump, just that he makes the left's head explode collectively
is nice.
And I think his foreign policy should be decent as long as he doesn't start a war with Iran
and maybe border control.
So those are kind of the big ones.
I mean, I would love to vote to repeal the 19th amendment.
I'll do that.
That was on the ballot.
Yeah.
I mean, that'd be first one in line.
We got some other questions.
Has passage of labor predetermined on Unitarians?
No, I don't think I've ever preached on that topic.
Someone asked, "What's your least favorite book in the Bible?"
So it's still your favorite, just your least favorite.
That sounds like a hard question to answer because it would sound bad.
It sounds disparaging, but it's still your favorite.
Just think about it this way.
You still love it, you just don't love it as much as the other books.
You word it that way.
It's perhaps not acceptable.
Well, I'll answer the question, but not in the way they wanted me to because number one,
I don't know that I can honestly say what's the least favorite, but I would say like maybe
one of the most challenging books, like one of the books when I get to that's hard for
me to read through is actually the Book of Job.
Just because the poetic language it uses.
I think like mentally I want to know everything that these friends are saying.
I want to understand every single nuance of what they're saying and I can't quite figure
it out very easily so it becomes kind of a frustrating book to me and it's like a frustrating
book because it contains so much information that's like not legit like it's either taken
out of context or it's not accurate and so just kind of wading through that is kind of
challenging mentally and so just from my own personal like Bible reading I feel like when
I get through the Book of Job I struggle sometimes reading through it and I don't know if other
people feel that way or not.
I just remember also every time I'd read Elihu he just makes me so mad because he just it's
like everything he's saying is just so frustrating and so annoying and irritating it's like being
forced to listen to a bad sermon and so like again I but I don't think I could honestly
say it's my least favorite book of the Bible because it's not and I really like a lot of
passages.
But it's most challenging in your mind.
It kind of irritates me. I don't know how do you feel about this the subject or Job
or like a book?
I mean if I'm gonna try to answer the guy's question and again the way that I'm answering
this is I still love every word of this book of the Bible but it's it's my least favorite.
I still love it but there's other ones I like more.
I'm just would say First Chronicles because you know there's a list of names and so that's
kind of what I would say.
First like ten chapters or whatever nine chapters and just kind of like.
So if I have to answer I would answer that.
Now a question for you on the book of Job and actually a preaching question for you.
If you're preaching and you want to use a verse from the book of Job should you never
use a verse from his friends or do you think that it's okay to do that as long as you explain
that they're incorrectly applying the subject matter to Job when they really shouldn't?
Personally I won't but I don't think you could say it's wrong.
I just think that you should for sure, no matter what statement you use out of Job from
his friends, you should have at least two other verses that say the exact same thing
that are coming from an authoritative point of scripture.
Again, I think that a lot of what Job's friends does is that they use verses that are true
just out of context.
That's why I'm asking.
Yeah, you can't say that it's objectively wrong, it's just maybe the contextualization
of it.
Even the devil, when he comes to tempt Jesus Christ, he's saying things that are true,
it's just the context is wrong.
He's quoting the Bible.
Yeah, Psalm 91 just misapplying it.
Yeah, he's basically tempting Jesus to kill himself as a response to what the Psalms say
as opposed to where the Psalms basically saying, "Hey, even when you screw up, even when you
make a big mistake, even when you do something wrong, God can still preserve you and deliver
you and take care of you."
And that's a comforting verse.
It's a comforting verse to know like, "Hey, I don't have to actually be perfect for God
to be pleased with me.
I don't have to be perfect for God to use me.
He can still allow me to...
I can still be allowed to make some mistakes."
And a verse that comes to my mind is like, "He's enlarged my steps," in the sense that
even when I don't make the right step, He can still enlarge the step underneath me and
allow me to fall on solid ground or step on solid ground in a sense.
And you know what?
Even as a pastor, I need that.
I'm not perfect.
I can make mistakes.
I have sin.
I have issues.
And it's nice to know that God could still use me and allow me to be delivered from bad
situations or evil or that the angels could catch me, proverbially speaking, from some
misstep or whatever.
But I think if you're going down a path of self-destruction, that's a misapplication
of the verse.
So it can always be awkward when a preacher is admitting, "Oh, I'm not perfect.
I make mistakes every day," and then somebody in the crowd is like, "Amen!"
It's like, "Why are you amen-ing that part?"
Hey, Pastor Reyes, I heard you chiming in there.
Did you want to give your perspective on what I asked?
No, I agree with Pastor Shelley, actually, when I preach from Joe.
100% of the time, I just quote Joe.
It's just hard to justify.
I agree that, I don't know if it's necessarily wrong, it's just really hard to find a good
way to apply it in context.
Yeah, and I mean, at some point, God willing, I'll be able to just really sit down and study
the book of Joe really hard and try to go through a Bible study on it, but I just know
it's going to be a challenging book and it's going to be really difficult and I'm hoping
that I'll have less things in my life at the time when I have to go through that particular
book.
It would be really nice.
Someone asked, "What drove you to become a pastor?"
Yeah, I was going to ask that.
How do you know God called you to be a bishop?
I think people have different viewpoints on the calling of God.
My viewpoint on the calling of God is that it's more like human authorities asking you
to step up to the plate.
Pastor Anderson encouraging me and wanting me to become a pastor and giving me that opportunity
I believe was God's calling.
When it comes to what drove me to become a pastor, honestly I just, I got really zealous
for the things of the Bible and soul winning and I was really struggling to find a good
church in my area and I thought well if no one's going to do it, I mean I'd be willing
to do it and I thought you know if I'm struggling, I'm sure there's other people struggling to
find a church like one that I would want to go to and so I started seeking that at the
local church I was at.
Then I ended up moving to Faithful Word, I told Pastor Anderson I had a desire to do
this and you know honestly even when I was there and I was helping lead a small church
plant called Faithful Word North, there was a point in time where there was a lot of pastors
that were becoming friends with Pastor Anderson and with New IFB Movement and there was a
lot of what I thought was like maybe saturation and I kind of had thought like you know I
don't know if it's really important for me to become a pastor as much anymore like there's
a lot of movement, a lot of fire, a lot of zeal and then some people kind of like turned
out to not be very sincere and Tyler Baker ended up not getting sent out and I am deciding
no I want to still do it because I think that a lot of people are going to kind of turn
out bad and while I'm not a perfect person, I'm not even necessarily the greatest preacher
or anything like that, I knew that I was sincere and I knew that I really loved the Lord and
I love soul winning and I love people and I can be used of God and even if I'm just
a temporary sanctuary for people in a particular city until they can find a better church or
go do something else or whatever, to me it made sense to provide that opportunity and
so, and again, I really love Houston, I really love Texas, so it made a lot of sense, even
if I struggle to have a church or, you know, it doesn't grow that much, like, I don't
mind living there and just trying to do the best that I can, and obviously things changed
with the steadfast situation, I was like, "Man, this looks really bad, no one really
wanted to help," I was like, "I guess I'm willing to help," not because I wanted to
be there or move there, because I just thought, like, this is really sad, there's a lot of
people that want a good church, no one's really stepping up, no one really wants to help,
and I felt like the church would kind of fall apart if someone didn't help, and so I wanted
to help, and they had church plants, they had Jacksonville, they had Oklahoma City,
and so, of course, then I took those on because, you know, frankly speaking, like, I just,
I just love church, I love the Bible, I love soul-winning, I love people, you know, that's,
you know, to me, to be a pastor, it's like you just have a desire to help other people
serve Christ better.
It's a service for others.
Yeah, honestly, like, I think, personally, if we had a better society and a better culture,
I probably wouldn't even be a choice for a pastor.
I think that, like, objectively speaking, there's nothing about me that's special or
unique or would be that exceptional.
It's just that we just have such a lack and a dearth in the society and that we need some
people to just kind of step up and just kind of get us back on track.
But I'm hoping that, you know, with the next generation, we'll have, you know, or God willing,
we could raise a generation where we have a lot of really great orators, great public
speaking, great history even.
You know, I didn't grow up being very zealous.
I was worldly.
I made a lot of mistakes as a youth.
Like I don't have a perfect track record.
Obviously, I have my inefficiencies as well.
But at the same time, you know, God's really blessed Steadfast Baptist Church and really
blessed a lot of the works, and the people at our church are just such exceptional Christians
and exceptional people and they're really gracious.
And honestly, I feel really honored to have the opportunity to pastor them and to be a
part of that church.
You know, it's a special church, a special group of people, and it's really a privilege
in my opinion to pastor more than anything.
And so, you know, that's kind of my viewpoints on those things.
Obviously if things ever changed, then I would just say, you know, "Well, praise God, He
allowed me to serve or be used for that period of time, and I just want to be the best pastor
I can while I can, because we're not promised tomorrow.
I could die tomorrow."
You know, nothing is set for the future.
And I just hope that whatever decisions I make and whatever I do for the church, God
will be able to use.
Obviously I preached a sermon previously that God blesses what's biblical best.
And so I think that churches that are doing things that the most scriptural and the most
biblical are going to be the most blessed in the long run.
And they're going to accomplish the most works.
And the churches that are falling short are going to be used less.
I think that there's still a lot of people, there are a lot of Christians that God's using
all over this country and all of this nation.
I think that God has been using Steadfast Baptist Church in a lot of unique ways.
And I hope that He continues to use them.
And you know, I really love it.
And I'm really looking forward to Brother Oz being used in Oklahoma City and his ordination
coming up.
I really appreciate some of the friends I've met in some of our new IP circles, Pastor
Aaron Thompson.
I really, really disappointed that we got so many technical difficulties and we haven't
got to use him.
I'm really grateful.
He was the MVP of tonight's show.
Yeah.
I really appreciate Pastor Reyes and his friendship.
And you know, we're in a dark world.
We need more pastors.
We need more Christians.
I think there's a temptation for us to all get a little bit carnal and hating each other
and we're the best and we're against these people.
But it would be nice if we could have more camaraderie in Christianity and in Baptist
circles.
It's kind of frustrating to see a lot of the fighting.
But I get it.
Someone starts a fight or someone feels like someone starts a fight and they defend themselves
and then they defend themselves and they defend themselves and it just kind of turns into
a mess and obviously we're an independent Baptist church.
But it would be nice if we could have a little bit more camaraderie in general.
This is what's sad to me.
It seems like cowboy fans like each other more than Baptists like each other.
And it's like some of these cowboy fans are rough, you know, and they don't like each
other but they can just rally around the game of football.
And it's like, can't we just rally around the King James Bible?
Can't we just rally around the gospel?
Can't we just rally around like reaching more people with the gospel?
But I think a lot of envy and strife and everything in there is just cause of contention.
And look, every once in a while we got to call things out.
I've done it.
I can't say I haven't called people out.
I haven't preached against situations.
But you know, at the end of the day, I want all fundamental Baptists to be blessed and
I want God to use them and to get more people saved and you know, I want, obviously I want
some people to humble themselves sometimes or accept correction, but in general, we should
want Baptists to do the right thing and to get a lot of people saved and I don't know.
That was a rant.
Sorry, I just kind of wanted a rant there.
That's fine.
Do you have some comments?
You're speaking from the heart.
I just, I mean, you brought up a lot.
I would say of the things that you brought up, the one thing I would respond to is the
concept of envy.
I find it to be so childish, so childish, envy.
It really is.
And, you know, there's been thoughts that I've had in my mind, and of course we shouldn't
compare ourselves amongst ourselves, I get that, but I've thought in my mind about different
laymen and different layman preachers and things like that, and I've said so-and-so
is better than me.
Praise God for that.
Like, seriously, praise God for that.
You know, I want as many awesome Christians to be around me as possible because a rising
tide lifts all boats.
I want to be amongst them.
It makes me better.
It makes all of us better.
It is so childish and silly and stupid and carnal and vain to be envious because someone's
a better preacher, knows the Bible more.
Well, then, you know what?
Why don't you sit down, shut up, and listen to what they have to say then?
It's just so ridiculous, and that's my rant.
Stop being so envious.
Well, again, it's almost like that team spirit versus individual spirit.
So if you want your team to win, you want everybody to be better than you.
But if it's just about your stats, like, I'm a fantasy football player and I've drafted
myself, and so I want to score as many touchdowns as I can score.
I don't care if we win or lose the game.
It's like, can't we just want to win the game?
And that's an important aspect of team sports, is like winning the game, not who gets the
most recognition, not who's the best player.
I mean, think about some positions in football, like the linemen, they get like zero credit
virtually when the team wins, and yet they're one of the most crucial components of that
particular organization because without them, the quarterback is going to be sacked instantly
every single five seconds or the running back can't even get it to the line of scrimmage.
And so they just lose over and over, you know, we need linemen.
And again, this is a point in the Bible, the Bible talks about, you know, certain parts
of the body being less comely, but they're actually the most important.
And you know, sometimes our parts of the body we take for granted until it starts hurting
or has problems.
For sure.
And, you know, when it comes to Christianity as a whole, obviously, I believe in independent
local churches.
But in a sense, we are a body of Christ as a collective too.
And we need, we need great preachers.
And then we need preachers that are going to go to the small towns and have the smaller
churches and reach just their area because if someone doesn't go there, no one's going
there.
And so we need both.
But it's not really a competition, it shouldn't be a competition.
We should be on the side of Christians.
And look, agree in support with people where you can and just try to be silent when you
can.
I mean, that's typically the best approach.
For sure.
And so what?
Like, in my mind, so what?
Okay, maybe somebody is way better than you.
Great.
So we should be praising God for those Christians who are better than us.
Pastors should be praising God for pastors who are better than them, whether it's better
preaching or better at soul winning or whatever, because then guess what?
It gives you an opportunity to learn from them and get better yourself and ultimately
serve God better yourself.
So we should all, I think, be praising God for those who are better and not using those
who are better as an excuse to get envious, bitter, wrathful and hateful toward those
people.
That's ungodly.
It's wicked.
And like I said, I think it's childish.
Well, some good questions in here.
We're probably going to wrap it up.
I don't know if we have like one last quick question we want to go through, but make sure
to tune in November 5th for the election stream.
We're going to have a special episode.
This is our season finale.
Sorry for the technical glitches, but we still had a good audience.
We had over 250 people in here.
We really appreciate our audience.
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I like Incorporated in the Spaces, but man, it doesn't always work.
I really appreciate Pastor Reyes for coming in.
Is there anything you want to say before we tune out here?
No, thanks for having me.
I'm kind of sad that I got on because of Pastor Thompson.
He's a really good friend of mine, but I appreciate you guys.
You guys are doing good work.
We love you from down here and have a great week.
You too.
Yeah.
Shout out to Pastor Thompson.
Maybe we can get him on for the...
We've got to do round two.
Couldn't we get him on for the election stream?
Oh, we've got to get him on for the election stream.
Let's just try again there.
Yeah, yeah.
We'll get him on and we're going to try and bring out a lot of guests for the election
stream.
And so I'm excited about that.
I'm kind of curious.
Hopefully Rumble can handle the election stream because it's probably going to be like everybody
streaming.
I don't know.
Do you think we're going to have technical difficulties?
And in that case we can send people to GodResource or some kind of backup, but that's something
to think about.
GodResource.com.
Yeah.
That would be good.
Where did that come from?
I don't know.
Isn't that how you advertise products?
No.
Is it through an Indian accent?
Is that how you do it?
All right.
Is there anything else you want to plug there, Ben?
Just check out our podcast, The Baptist Bias, and I'm talking about the audio only version
that you can find on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, on Google Podcasts, pretty much any one of
those platforms.
It's on there.
If you just Google it, you'll find a whole bunch of different websites that host us,
and I really appreciate the opportunity to be here, and I'm excited for the election
stream on November the 5th, in which we will maybe witness Donald Trump winning the election
and making a bunch of leftists cry.
I don't know what's going to happen, but we're going to have a lot of french fries,
so there you go.
We'll bring out the french fries.
I will tell you this, out of everything that will happen on that stream, what I'm most
looking forward to are the aforementioned french fries, and so I hope you're not just
kidding about that and that we're actually going to do it.
Oh yeah, mark my words, french fries galore.
So we'll just keep them running.
We'll watch America go to hell in a handbasket while eating some fries.
Yeah, I mean it's basically the proverbial, you know, get some popcorn, we're just getting
some McDonald's fries, watching the nation just burn itself to the ground.
And you know, french cries, that would be even funnier if we could watch the liberals
just melting their heads.
I really hope that happens, because then we could just sit back, relax, and watch them
lose their minds.
It's a landslide and then we wake up the next day and it's a landslide in the other direction
magically.
Yeah.
But either way, we'll get the fries.
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