presidential election for Biden and the future has never looked brighter.
Our nation is so unified around our fearless leader, considering the fact that he received
666 million votes, which smashed his previous record, breaking 81 million votes.
We've never seen such popularity.
I mean, think about it, Biden signs are everywhere.
I've seen shirts, crowds, mugs, keychains, bumper stickers.
It's obvious how loved President Biden truly is.
And in Biden's American dream,
you can be whatever and whoever you want.
Binary, non-binary, poly-binary, multi-non-binary,
left of binary, even a furry, animal spirit,
dog, cat, a dinosaur, a car, a tree,
anything you want, we accept everyone
and love everyone and their identity.
Except you just can't identify as free,
constitutionalist, American, white, Christian,
manly, straight, anti-LGBT, housewife,
tradwife, homeschooler, truther, ugh,
or based.
Watch out for those people.
They're evil-minded, and probably the worst identity
of them all are those who would say
that they have the Baptist bias.
Great to be on the road here at Verde Baptist Church,
Red Hot Preaching Conference, 2023, day two,
and we've already heard so many great sermons.
If you wanna check out the sermons,
you can go to bannedbutnotbound.com,
sign up for the email list, and get subscribed.
And boy, I just can't understand why those people
with the Baptist bias don't think that Joe Biden
got 666 million votes already.
What do you think about that, Brother Ben?
- Well, I mean, it's pretty obvious
that anybody who disagreed with that clip
has a toxic, you know, you could say mental illness
called the Baptist bias.
So I'm glad that you allowed deferring perspectives
on this program and that you let my inner liberal
come out through that segment.
- Well, it's great to have been our co-hosts
here on the show, and we also have a couple special guests.
We have Pastor Aaron Thompson,
and why don't you say hi to everybody?
- Hey, everybody.
- Short, now how many churches do you actually have?
I think this has been a big question.
- I knew that that was gonna be the first question.
- Okay, good.
- I gotta take off my shoes for this one, I think.
- Is it harder to remember how many churches you have
or how many years you've been married?
- I got the marriage thing down pretty good.
I got, so I have four churches in Washington now.
Our home church, Seattle, Spokane, and Yakima.
- Taking Washington over.
- We got the four corners painted.
Now we just gotta fill in the rest.
- Nice.
- We got two churches in Canada and one church in England.
- Wow, that's impressive.
So you've been pastoring for how long?
- It'll be five years next week.
- You've got more churches than years of experience.
This is getting scary here for us.
Now that's great to have Pastor Thompson.
And boy, you know, he kind of deserves Texas.
Because everything's bigger in Texas.
But boy, apparently everything's bigger in Washington.
So we also have Pastor Jason Robinson with us
from West Virginia.
Why don't you say hi to everybody?
- How's it going everybody?
- Now you've been pastoring for quite a while.
How long have you been pastoring your church there?
- It'll be six years coming up in September.
- Oh wow, that's great.
And it's great to have him.
He already preached this morning for the conference
and you need to check it out.
In fact, I was putting down on our notes,
but I already want to include some of his statements
for our new film, "LGBT Terrace,"
that ending preaching compilation.
He had a couple statements that we need to put in there.
- Yeah, that was good.
- Also Pastor Brzezarnski as well.
- You preached our documentary.
- Yeah, that was great.
And so whether you want to see the film or not,
you get invited in, so.
But it's great to have you guys here.
We wanted to talk a little bit about the signs of the times
and obviously, you know,
every generation could probably make a case
for why they're the last generation
or it seems like Bible prophecy's constantly being fulfilled,
but it really does seem like in our generation,
there's been a lot of crazy things happening
and, you know, especially 2020,
the president, the wars that are going on.
And, you know, it seems like there could be an argument
that a lot of things we're experiencing are
maybe some of the signs of the time.
You know, and we want to look to the Bible, of course,
for our direction on what those are.
I know that we've had even some other people
that were part of our quote movement or our friends,
and yet they ended up not really being a friend.
They ended up being a friend of me.
One person in particular that comes to mind is Tyler Doka.
And this guy, I think he was invited
to a preaching conference that was in Detroit.
It was a soul winning conference,
I think is where he went out and he ended up preaching.
I think he ended up making a documentary,
maybe an end times documentary with Pastor McMurtry,
I think at one point.
And I know, I think you visited his church one time.
Is that true, Pastor Thompson?
- Yes, unfortunately.
And my sister actually came to that service.
We were kind of taking like a mileage flight
before we went to the Philippines.
So we flew to New York on a red eye.
And then I didn't even sleep on the plane.
So I was just like up all day.
And then we went to his church
and it was kind of a pain in the neck to get there.
But my, I met my sister and my brother-in-law
and my nephew and nephews and niece were there.
And so after the sermon was over,
he like really wanted to know if I was gonna be there
for the morning or the afternoon.
And I was like, I think we're gonna make it
for the morning service.
When I got there, what's that other guy's name,
that other clown that he was?
- Justin LeBlanc.
- Yeah, Justin LeBlanc has some poor soul
cornered out in the parking lot,
praying with him as we walk up, right?
And like, I guess he got saved the week before that too.
But anyway.
- He's been faithful the whole week.
- So he wanted me to be there
so he could preach a sermon about reprobates,
which I fell asleep in, unfortunately.
I didn't get to hear the whole thing,
but my nephew puked on the floor
right after the service was over, so that.
- Oh, man.
- So my brother-in-law is like,
well, that's what he thought about the preaching.
(laughing)
- Oh, man.
- So, yeah.
- Well, of course, obviously,
you're just trying to be friendly.
You're just trying to help someone along in the ministry.
- I don't know, did you have any communication
with Tyler Doka at any point, Pastor Robinson?
- I met him at that conference out in Detroit,
but he wanted to do a documentary with me
against the Catholic Church.
And then I was like, "Okay, you know, that's fine."
And then he contacted me and said,
"Hey, actually, you may not wanna do this documentary
"with me after what I preach this Sunday."
And it was when he preached that back-to-back
flat-earth theory.
- Oh, man.
- And because at first I sent him a message,
I was like, "Well, you know, how bad could it be?"
You know, whatever.
And then I saw what he preached.
I'm like, "Yeah, I don't wanna do that documentary
"you're with me."
- He didn't convince you the Earth was flat?
- Yeah, yeah, right.
- In five minutes?
(laughs)
- Yeah, it was one of those where I'm like,
"Nah, I can't be friends with this person."
And at the time, I didn't think necessarily he was unsaved.
Obviously, later on, we realized that he's a psychopath,
but yeah, the Flat Earth stuff,
I had to nip that in the bud, so.
- Well, what's crazy about this guy
is some of the claims that he's made,
and I think we even have a clip on this,
so I wanna kinda play it real quick
just so we get it from the horse's mouth,
but you know, the Bible does warn
about how there's gonna be false Christ in the latter days,
and there's gonna be people claiming
to be Jesus Christ in the latter days.
And so I think this is somewhat relevant,
the fact that here's a guy claiming to be Jesus,
and I personally think some of his claims
seem a little unique.
But I wanna get it from the horse's mouth real quick
and we can talk about it.
- To do what's supposed to be my people,
they're supposed to be people of the Bible,
but they don't believe the Bible when I teach it unto them.
Doesn't mean they're the right God.
There's only one God.
That's why the Bible says there's one God and one Lord.
That's me.
If you haven't been watching my videos,
yes, I claim to be the Son of God.
And if you don't know why,
watch the Living God documentary.
- I think if you actually go to his website,
it also is just as,
it's hard to even listen to this
'cause it's so blasphemous.
But I've listened to a little bit
and it seems like he was making it clear
that Jesus Christ didn't come 2,000 years ago
and die on the cross.
Like all of that's a myth or a fairy tale.
That he's actually like the true
and first embodiment of Jesus Christ.
Which for me was kind of interesting
because in first John,
the Bible talks about how antichrist denied
that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
And of course, you know,
I think of that in the first century,
like some of the Jews denying
that the Messiah actually showed up
and that it was Jesus.
But in today's culture,
it didn't seem like there's really that many people
going around necessarily denying
that Jesus even showed up.
This guy's just claiming like all of history is just wrong
and that Jesus didn't even show up
and that all of it's a lie.
He's the real first Jesus.
And I'm just thinking like, wow,
that is like one of the craziest versions
of the anti-Christ I've ever seen.
From y'all's perspective as pastors,
have you ever heard of or seen someone
like saying that they were the first coming of Christ?
Or is that unique to you?
- Yeah, I've never heard anybody that crazy before,
but you know, he was attached to us at some point,
but yeah, that is the most insane.
I mean, his documentary that he always has people
go back to is just-- - The Living God.
- Absolutely an acid trip, insane, like, I mean,
the guy's just a total crackpot.
- What about you, Pastor Robbins?
Have you even heard of other antichrists like this?
- No, I mean, you kind of hear about people saying
that they're Jesus, but it's more like reincarnated
or something like that, but not like just completely
denying that he even came, you know?
- Right.
- And so that's kind of the crazy part.
I was thinking about Daniel, where he talks about
how he's gonna honor the god of forces,
and it says that, "And the god whom his father knew not
"shall he honor with gold."
And he kind of, the idea of the anti-Christ
and the fact that I believe he's going to basically say,
"All these other religions are wrong.
"I'm the true god."
And maybe how that'll roll out, you know?
Obviously, I don't personally,
I believe Thoka's an anti-Christ,
but I don't believe he's the anti-Christ.
But it just kind of makes you wonder,
what's that conversation going to be like?
You know, what's the anti-Christ going to say?
Is he going to say like, "I'm Jesus come again,"
or am I just like, "Hey, listen, all these are wrong.
I'm the right one."
- Right, well, and praise God, this guy is,
I don't think he's really that popular.
I don't really think he has that much of a following.
I know online there's a lot of comments
and people that are claiming that they agree with him,
but who knows if that's real or trolls or whatever.
But I kind of wonder, is this style of anti-Christ
and false Christ, do you think that this is gonna become
popular or more popular than it is now?
What is your kind of anticipation
from a Bible prophecy perspective?
What is your guys thoughts?
- Well, the New Age movement does have
the Christ consciousness.
They teach about that everybody is basically Christ
or something weird like that.
But I mean, this guy, he's using scriptures
to twist that he is Jesus and he knows the scriptures,
but he uses them obviously in a twisted way.
I mean, I'm one of the 10 kings apparently
of the end times.
The new IFB is, you know, I forget what he says,
we're like the--
- We're the, we're that 10 horns.
- 10 kings. - 10 horns, yeah.
- But Pastor May, he was kind of upset
because he didn't make it into the kings list,
but I don't know how I did, but pretty weird.
- What about you, Pastor Robbins?
Do you think, obviously the Bible talks about
a lot of false cries and also kind of talks
about them showing miracles and things like that.
So from your perspective, do you feel like
this is a precursor to what we're gonna see more
in the future, or do you think it's just an anomaly?
- I think we'll see more, and maybe it'll just be
diverse with as far as the fact that this guy's saying
Jesus was never even here to begin with,
but then you may have others saying,
"Hey, I'm actually Christ, come back."
You may have a variance that kind of varies
of how they even claim to be Christ.
But I do think that it's going to be increased
as far as the amount of people,
false prophets and false Christs,
as far as I think that as we approach the end,
it'll be more than there is even now, so.
- You would think that he would maybe be
a little bit more than a YouTube prophet.
I mean, from your perspective, Ben,
this anti-Christ false prophet,
is he gonna just have only a YouTube following,
or what are you thinking?
- No, obviously not.
The reality is, the Bible talks about a planetary government
that the anti-Christ is gonna be ruling from.
Revelation chapter 13 describes those whose names
are not written in the book of life of a land slain
from the foundation of the world, worshiping him.
And so he isn't gonna have some niche YouTube.
But I do think that we will see smaller,
quote, anti-Christ, like Tyler Doca,
rise up more and more as we get closer to Daniel 70th week.
I look at a scripture like in Matthew 24,
which talks about this, that it says,
but there shall arise false Christs and false prophets,
and shall show great signs and wonders,
insomuch that if it were possible,
they shall deceive the very elect,
implying that those who are saved
will never, ever get deceived by somebody like this,
a psychopath, deranged freak like that.
- Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Also, he kind of made it clear that the new IFB
is like one of his biggest enemies.
And for me, for someone to go from believing,
or at least claiming to believe salvation's a free gift
by faith and having a lot of, quote, truth on their side,
to then go to this extreme of an antichrist
almost makes me feel like it had to be demonic.
There's some kind of demonic, satanic presence here.
And what I think's interesting is here's a clear example
of someone that's probably the most demonic person
I've seen in our lifetime pointing out the new IFB
as one of his biggest threats.
Is that not almost kind of a confirmation
that maybe the new IFB is kind of one of the biggest threats
even from the demonic realm or what the devil looks to?
What are your guys' thoughts when you hear someone
like this saying the new IFB is like--
Yeah, it's kind of like, jeez.
I think some of you guys are like the Ten Kings
or something like that, right?
Yeah, I was just saying, I made it on the list somehow.
I don't know who else is on it,
but I'm sure Pastor Anderson's on it.
Yeah, I think it was like back when--
Pastor Jim Ennis, Pastor Perry, Hanley Perry.
Yeah, well, some of them got taken out.
There were like the three kings that got
plucked up by the roots, you know?
Hanley Perry was subdued, though.
Oh, OK.
By Justin LeBlanc, right?
That's hilarious.
Well, I think that was the other way around, yeah?
Didn't he kick Justin LeBlanc out of his church or something?
I think they're not friends anymore.
Who knows?
Is anybody friends with Tyler Doka?
That's the real one.
What's weird about it, though, is
that I will see people saying some of the comments on there.
They'll say, I believe in you, Tyler.
And then he'll say, thank you, my son,
or just weird stuff like that.
People are donating money to him.
He's probably more popular now than he ever
was when he was with us.
But he used our movement as a springboard
to try to get some real people, and then just took away
all the trash with him.
Well, it doesn't seem like he believed what we believed.
Do you even think he believes the flat earth?
Or do you think he was just trying to gather followers
with that, too?
Probably.
I mean, he seems like he believes it.
I mean, I held this snow globe in my hand, the flatter snow globe that had the map that
you always see on images, but it's like a globe that you can look at.
It was weird.
I was like, "Where did you get this at?"
That's just crazy.
Because we were supposed to do a documentary, and me and somebody else went and interviewed
him, and now apparently they're buddies or something.
I don't know, but I don't want to talk about that right now.
Many engineers could be convinced that the earth is flat, Pastor Robinson.
I'm not any good engineer.
That's just insane to me.
Now, obviously, false Christ is just one aspect of kind of a sign at the time, but it does
appear like maybe there's maybe a few more antichrists that have come around.
Also, though the Bible talks about wars and other things like this, I think that there
was a clip of Donald Trump talking about World War Three.
Some people argue we're already in World War Three with the Ukraine war, but what is your
perspective on this, Ben?
Do you think that we're already in World War Three or do you think that it's just kind
of a rumor?
No, I mean, I think it's very possible just because of the fact that you look at the way
geopolitics are set up right now and we're basically like at war with Russia by proxy
through Ukraine, which is really scary to think about.
Obviously, you know, I guess it just depends on what your definition of war is.
Is it a hot war where the United States Army is invading some foreign nation and we're
in some kind of nuclear conflict right now?
No, but you could argue politically when you see what's going on behind the scenes that
there definitely is a lot of back and forth in terms of antagonistic language between
the United States and Russia, and it makes you feel like we're in some kind of conflict
right now.
We haven't necessarily hit the military front just yet in terms of the U.S. Army going and
invading some foreign country, but I will say this, that the Bible specifically mentions
rumors of wars, and when you have guys like Trump and others coming out and saying we're
on the precipice of World War III, here we go, Joe Biden's putting us in a position for
this to happen, it fits the description of what the scripture is talking about, rumors
of wars.
Now, what about you guys, your perspective, obviously, you know, there's always been a
lot, even in the 20th century, but do you really see there being like kind of this big
World War III as kind of a precursor or a big sign of the end times, or do you think
that it's unknowable from a world, like a war perspective, what do you think Pastor
Thompson?
Well, I mean, I was just thinking about this verse when he was talking, it's Daniel 825,
it says, and through his policy, also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand, he shall
magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many, he shall also stand against
the prince of princes, but he shall be broken without hand.
But I think that what we see in this world right now is a lot of policy actually subduing
people more than guns and warfare.
I mean, you see a lot of, you know, all these policies being placed as a global government.
I mean, the global government is basically in place, it's just not fully sprung yet.
I mean, we have a global currency and, you know, if, say some president in Uganda says
Homo should be punished by the death penalty and then everybody in the world chimes in
with their policy to try to subdue him and then the United States says we're going to
try to make him, you know, do what we want him to do and they do that through policy
by not giving them money.
So basically we kind of support all these countries as a welfare system and as, you
know, in all these other nations and if they go against the policy then they're cut off
with their money.
So, I mean, I just believe that part of the coming World War is going to have, I mean,
all these policies will be in place.
I mean, we've got all this, you know, this stuff about these tree huggers, you know,
coming together to try to make our gas prices higher and pimp their stupid climate change
garbage.
Yeah.
So, I mean, those policies are in place, I mean, they have all these accords and all
these different things.
So, anyway, I don't know if I'm answering the question right, but I just think that,
you know...
Yeah, I'm just trying to say, specifically, do you think that a war will be a big precursor,
like a big World War or something obvious?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would be, but I mean, I just think that a lot of it's going to get
done through policy, but yeah, I mean, there's obviously, the Bible talks about there being,
you know, this big famine and all these... and because of the war, there's famine and
all this currency is downgraded and stuff like that.
Peace will be taken from the earth, according to one of the seals.
People refer to that as the beginning of sorrows, typically the first three and a half years
of Daniel's 70th week.
There will be warfare, for sure.
And I think that will set the stage for the Antichrist, who will promise peace.
Well, peace and safety, when they say peace and safety, then they're going to be destroyed.
So like, when Christ comes back, you know, their peace and safety, that was the slogan
of the Roman Empire, and, you know.
What about you, Pastor Robinson?
When it comes to war, is this going to be something that you think is kind of an obvious
sign of the time, or war is always happening, so it's kind of hard to pick?
What is your thoughts on this?
I think it's going to be hard to know for sure until the abomination and desolation.
I think that's when we're really going to know.
But let's say we had World War III, I think that could very well be going into the fourth
seal, for example.
So you have the first one where you're taking peace from the earth.
But then you have the fact that a fourth part of the earth is going to be given to be killed
with the sword and all that.
Now I don't believe that necessarily means fourth part of the population is going to
die, but more so the fourth part of the earth as far as geographically.
So when you think about World War and just like the idea of like there's going to be
war over like a quarter of like the nations, if you will, and the fact that there's going
to be that much warfare going on.
And I think that really gets into that flood that's coming out of the serpent's mouth.
And that's going to be swallowed up, but that's what leads into the abomination of desolation.
And then we're going to have the Great Tribulation.
But I do think that there's going to be, obviously I agree with everything you're saying about
the, you know, the policies and how that's going to basically, it's almost kind of like
the Patriot Act and how it was kind of already written and it was already kind of in place
and it took that act of like 9/11 for them to basically, alright, time to sign that.
It was already crafted, it was already kind of put in place and that act of war is what
basically pulled the trigger for it.
And so I think all those policies and everything are going to be leading up to the fact of,
okay, we have this world war, it's time to have peace, but in order to have peace we've
got to get rid of anybody that's against it.
So you think that flood in Revelation 12 that's described there that the earth swallows up
is a literal flood, you wouldn't say it's just figurative in your mind?
I personally think it's figurative.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, like it's talking about armies, like a flood of armies, that's personally what
I believe about it.
I'm not saying there couldn't be.
Well, the Bible describes armies using the word flood over and over again, including
in Daniel chapter 9, where it talks about the end thereof shall be with a flood.
Exactly.
Yeah, so when it says that in Daniel 9, I think that's talking about like a world war
and that quarter of the earth being basically encompassed in war, I used to believe that
it was like the fourth part of the earth was going to be killed, but I think it's more
so like a fourth part of the earth is given to be killed with the sword, meaning that
it's more of a, I think a geographical, or maybe a quarter of the nations or something
like that are going to be at war.
So that's, but that will lead into the bombings and desolation.
I think that's where we're really no, because let's say we had a world war right now.
It may not be the world war that's going to lead into the abomination desolation.
I think my ears are going to be perked and I'm going to be like, I think this could be
it.
But I don't know if even then, because we had world war II, world war I, you know, there's
wars throughout history to where you could probably use that same argument and say this
could be leading into it.
Oh yeah.
If we were alive during world war II, all of us would be like, all right, it seems like
it's around the corner.
Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems like he could have been an antichrist figure.
You got a lot of war stuff going on.
I think that it could have been easy to think that.
I think the flood thing's interesting because obviously Revelation 12, where that's coming
from is a very symbolic chapter as a whole.
There's no way to disagree with the idea of it being a lot of symbolism.
I've kind of always leaned towards the idea of it actually being a possible literal flood.
Just from a couple thoughts of like, number one, God promised that he would never destroy
the earth with a flood.
And I think that the rainbow and the flood is kind of significant that it could play
an end times role as the devil attempts to kill mankind through a flood, and then God
prevents that, kind of showing his promise as kind of this interesting end times promise.
And additionally, when I think about the way it's kind of worded there, I mean, the Bible
talks about it's going to be like flowing out of the devil's mouth, I think about there's
so much lies right now about this like climate change narrative, and a lot of it is about
how the earth is warming and heating, and it's going to melt the polar ice caps, which
is then going to create like rising sea and rising oceans, and I'm just wondering like,
is it possible, this is speculation 100%, but just I'm like what if they just like nuked
the polar ice caps, like what if they just sent a bunch of nuclear bombs, would that
potentially cause like a giant flood on the earth, where essentially it would just cause
like a quick rising sea, and it could be like an attempt to just kind of like destroy the
earth while these elites hide in their bunkers or something like that.
I don't know.
I'm just saying like I've thought about it and like it seems like it's plausible that
it could be a literal flood.
I'm still hoping the idea like you're right, it could just be a flood of men or a spiritual
symbolic picture.
I'm not against that and it could be maybe both when the fact that you're dealing with
that.
I mean I think about Job and the fact that God allowed the devil to basically take away
all his children, but it talks about the devil basically bringing this - is it east wind
or west wind?
So the devil obviously can kind of - he has power over certain elements when it comes
to nature.
So I wouldn't be against that the devil has the power to do something like that as far
as to maybe cause a big flood and the fact like you said, God doesn't let it happen
because he said he wouldn't allow the earth to be flooded with water.
I can definitely see how that would fit.
Well, and again, like the chapter, I think the emphasis is that the devil wants to kill
every person.
So, like to me, it would be hard to do that when you have a flood of army because that
army is not going to necessarily kill themselves, but the flood is just a goal to just kill
every single person in discriminatory, kind of like Noah's Ark style.
But again, that's just my speculation.
I don't know the answer on that or not, but I do think would be interesting is that if
we're as Christians though and saved, like we would never be afraid of a global flood.
Like if someone said, hey, the entire earth is going to be flooded, us as Christians would
be like, no, that's never going to happen.
And it wouldn't necessarily like freak us out.
Whereas people that are unsaved or whatever, they might get deceived and be worried about,
you know, this global flood or something like that.
But I do think that's kind of interesting to kind of keep going down our list here of
some questions.
I want to ask a little bit more specific question on this war.
Thinking about this world war, some people hyperbolize or think about it being maybe
a war against Islam.
Islam is really influential, it's crept into Europe majorly, it's very anti-humanity.
People are very resistant to Islam.
Also you kind of have geopolitically you have China and Russia, they're also kind of strategically
lined against the West.
If you were to say, hey, we're going to enter into times pretty soon, do you think it's
more likely that the anti-Christ is going to try and make a war against Islam or something
more like a China-Russia alliance?
What is your opinion, Pastor Thompson?
Man, I don't know, it could be all of those things, but it also could be...
Combination?
Yeah, but it also could be, you know, it sounds like he's going to subdue everybody.
So I mean, I really don't know, but that is a plausible theory with the whole Islam thing,
but it could just be all haters, all religious haters, and we would fall into that camp probably
at some point too, like right now.
But anyway, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
So when I was thinking about what I was saying about policy, the policies will be in place,
but there will be a real war.
I really believe that, and as far as the flood, I mean, something happens between Revelation
chapter 12 and Revelation chapter 13, and the beast is killed, he's assassinated and
comes back to life.
So that's, I mean, there's something warlike going on, and he's already, I think at the
time that the market beast happens, he's already conquered who he's going to conquer.
Well, it could be retaliation.
The next thing he does is he rules the whole world with the ten kings right after that.
Doesn't he?
But he betrays three kings, so I always thought it could be likely that someone from that
particular kingdom retaliates against the Antichrist for having subdued three of the
kings that gave him his power.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's hard to know, but it is all speculation.
I don't really guess I don't have too much of a speculation on that.
Well, we're supposed to be looking for these things, and obviously we look through a glass
darkly when they actually happen.
We'll all know the right answer, but I really appreciate you coming on the podcast this
evening, Pastor Thompson.
He's going to be preaching this evening, so we're going to actually swap him out with
Pastor Mejia, but if you want to check out Pastor Thompson's sermon, you need to go to
BandButNotBound.com, and you need to subscribe to their email list, because we want you to
be able to hear the Red Hot Preaching Conference.
It's only going to be sent out through an unlisted link through the email list, so you
got to get on the email list.
If you want to hear the sermons, you got to do it.
Also, we're going to be coming out with a new documentary called LGBT Terrorist.
And I'm really excited about this project.
It's something that, it actually evolved a little bit.
Initially it was just going to be something we kind of slapped together real quick, but
I ended up asking Pastor Mejia if he would end up making an introduction for our film.
And his introduction was so good that it made me feel like, "Man, we need to make this documentary
even better."
So Pastor Mejia, he helped us make an introduction to our film, "The LGB Terrace."
I'm really excited about releasing this.
We're going to have a special airing of it Saturday, tomorrow night, here at Red Hot.
You have to be in person to see it.
And then by the end of the month, we're going to release it on Rumble.
You've got to follow us on Rumble, Steadfast Baptist, KJV@Rumble.
And we're going to be releasing the film in July.
You don't want to miss it.
Also, we're going to be having some special series of the Baptist Bias here in August.
We've got some guest preachers lined up.
We're going to be covering topics on the King James Bible and just feminism and a lot of
different things.
And I'm really excited about some of the special guests we're going to have.
But we have with us tonight Pastor Bruce Mejia from First Rich Baptist Church.
He's going to be preaching tonight.
Why don't you say hi to everybody, Pastor Mejia?
Can everyone hear me?
Yeah, you're good.
Okay.
Is this just for looks or what?
We can hear the broadcast if we play a video or something.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
All right.
Well, good to be here.
Is this the Rod of Iron, or what is this?
No, no, no.
Welcome to the Rod of Iron Podcast Fundamental Baptist.
Check the cameras.
No, no, no.
Ma's Cafe.
Can someone get him a coffee, please?
I mean, what's going on here?
Good to see you guys.
Good to be here.
Yeah.
Pastor Shelley, how are you doing?
Doing great.
Shake your hand.
It's great to see you.
Great to see you.
Looking sharp, as always.
Glad you made it out.
I'm glad that...
I was bummed, and then I was happy you were here.
It was a pretty crazy week.
I gave some high fives when I found out that you were coming.
Amen, thank you.
Yeah, thank you for praying for me, and I'm glad to be able to make it out here.
I was sick for so many days, and it was just a miserable week, but as of the last couple
days I just recovered, and so I'm just glad to be here.
I'll be here the whole weekend, looking forward to some preaching tonight, tomorrow, and Sunday,
and so I'm glad to be here.
That's awesome.
And we were kind of talking about end times, we've been talking about the signs of the
times, we talked a little bit about war, Revelation chapter 12.
We also brought up the flood, which, you don't know what we said, but we'll just put you
on the hot spot, alright?
Revelation 12.
In Revelation 12, the Bible says that, especially the dragon's going to cast out a flood, and
he's trying to destroy the woman.
Is it your opinion that this flood is an actual literal flood, or do you kind of think of
it more of a symbolic way?
Is this something that you kind of thought about?
Well, I've always thought that it had something to do specifically in the end times.
Something that the Antichrist was going to do as far as sending forth an army.
Maybe it had to do with the times of the Gentiles.
But as of recent, within the last year or so, I started taking the interpretation that
it's probably just a call back to Herod when he sent forth men to kill the children in
order to kill baby Jesus.
And so if you look at the wording, and I don't have the verses before me, but it talks about
how the dragon was raw, right?
And then in the story with Herod, when he's deceived by the wise men, it also says that
he was raw.
And it kind of has a similar language there, and he sends forth all these people to kill
the children in order to kill baby Jesus, and of course he doesn't succeed.
And so now I'm more leaning towards, it's probably just a call back to that particular
instance in the Gospels.
Not to say that it doesn't have future fulfillment, but you know, Revelation 12 is a pretty enigmatic
chapter.
There's a lot going on there.
So a lot of symbolism.
A lot of symbolism for sure.
Yeah.
Well, definitely there's a lot of different perspectives on that particular chapter.
I think that's pretty interesting.
Now as we talk about other signs of the times, the Bible even talks about just humanity kind
of degrading itself.
You can think of 2 Timothy chapter 3, the Bible talking about this downward spiral of
humanity and the Bible talking about in the end times, it's going to be perilous times,
the last days.
And we even see just narcissism on the rise, people being very selfish in general and able
to make very selfish statements and no one even blinks an eye.
People actually praise very selfish narcissistic behavior.
There's a clip that we have of Michelle Williams, who is a famous actress, and she gave a speech
at the Academy Awards where she talked about how she essentially had to murder her children
or have abortions to stay in a profession and end up winning this particular award.
And she's basically just praising abortion, praising selfishness, praising kind of the
worst form of narcissism in our society. And I want to play this clip real quick so people
know what we're talking about, and then I want to get you guys' thoughts, but let's
hear this wicked selfishness coming from Michelle.
I've tried my very best to live a life of my own making, and not just a series of events
that happened to me, but one that I could stand back and look at and recognize my handwriting
all over, sometimes messy and scrawling, sometimes careful and precise, but one that I had carved
with my own hand, and I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's
right to choose.
Coming from Hollywood, and I don't, you know, the more and more time goes on, I feel like
people are very different than the media in Hollywood want to present for us, yet at the
same time, is this kind of a sign of our culture as a whole becoming very selfish, to the point
where they're willing to kill their own children, essentially having almost no natural affection,
it's kind of maybe a precursor to what the world's going to be like in the end times.
What is your thoughts on this, Pastor Robinson?
You feel like this is just an anomaly, just Hollywood's only like this, or you feel like
even society as a whole, especially in America, is kind of becoming more narcissistic, selfish,
and that could be kind of a sign of where we're headed.
I think Hollywood is a reflection of our society, and when you think about Hollywood, you think
about that woman right there that she's literally holding up an idol and she sacrificed a child
to get it.
It obviously calls back to the fact of people sacrificing their sons and their daughters
to false gods, to mole-whack, and so there's nothing new under the sun.
I do think that in the end, most people have abortions for greed, you know, it's not because
they're afraid that they're going to get, you know, like there's, most people are like,
well, it's for the safety of the mother, the mother is going to die, you know, it's usually
because they just don't want to financially provide or they don't want to give up any
of their time to take care of the children.
And so I do think that if you think about the precursor to the flood and the precursor
to Sodom and Gomorrah, that's what's told is going to be what the end is going to be
like.
So if you think about why did God flood the earth, because it was filled with violence.
And what's more violent than destroying an unborn child?
I can't think of anything that's more violent than harming innocent children like that.
So when I think about that, I think about the flood and I think about how that relates
to how if abortion is just running rampant, that checks that box.
And I know, we already know that the other box has been checked with Sodom and Gomorrah
when it comes to that stuff being prevalent in our country.
So that was pretty poetic how you worded that of how she essentially sacrificed her child
on the altar to get an idol.
And it kind of brings back a lot of imagery when you think about the Bible itself on those
particular topics.
You know, I really, when you hear about natural affection, it's pretty broad.
I think there's a lot of things that we could point to, but wouldn't you think like for
a woman, the most natural instinct is to protect her child and for her to murder it is almost
like the epitome of the absence of natural affection.
What do you think Pastor Mejia like, is there really anything worse that a woman could do
as far as like proving she has no natural affection?
Yeah.
I mean, you know, the Bible, when we're talking about the end times, it says that because
iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
And so obviously part of the reason why women are aborting their children, it's becoming
normalized, is to kind of weaken the conscience of the nation and essentially cause the love
of the nation to dissipate for innocent people.
And I think the main purpose of that is for the fact that, you know, in the future, Christians
are going to be killed.
Well, in order for a world to exist where it's normalized to kill Christians, for the
world to kind of be like in unison and unify around the thought of just murdering Christians
without any remorse, you're going to have to build up to that.
Right, and so the world has to become really callous and past feeling and without natural
affection because of the fact it has to build up to a point where even when the two witnesses
are killed their bodies can literally lie in the streets for days without being buried
and people give gifts one to another and no one blinks an eye at it.
So it kind of shows you the state of the world in the end times when two corpses can just
lay in the street and everyone's celebrating and they're giving each other gifts.
Abortion obviously plays a role in that because you're taking the life away of an innocent
child how much more are you going to take away the life of a grown person who confesses
Christ as a Christian, as a believer?
Well you know it's interesting you made me think of something because you know when we've
gone viral or gotten a lot of attention for preaching about how sodomites should be put
to death according to the Bible like in the biggest 2013 there was this preacher that
said well if we're gonna do that there's other sins that people are supposed to be put to
death for like adultery and like murder and he kind of made this statement like well almost
everybody would be put to death and I was thinking like well that's that's a big exaggeration
because there's not that many people in America I mean there's still a large percentage of
America that hasn't committed a crime worthy of capital punishment but could I was thinking
like could that actually become true?
Could we get you said a nicotine shall bound and we think about precursors the flub the
Bible says the only the thoughts of men were only evil continually could it actually get
to a point where us preaching the death penalty is actually an attack on every single person
and if that was true then you could see why people be so callous like I'm sick and tired
of these people constantly saying how evil we are and all the wickedness that we're doing
and they just they just want to shut us up kill Christians and just kind of hate on them
I mean do you think that the world could get so bad or America get so bad that almost everybody
has committed sins that are worthy of death according to the Bible what do you think about
this Pastor Robinson I mean it's very interesting thought because I mean obviously abortion if
you know what you're doing when you're killing a baby that would be worthy of death you know
and the doctor would be worthy of death the thing that's interesting when you think about
like is it in our day you think about history and how you kind of have your your highs and
your lows when it comes to let's say just that type of violence and then it was pulled
back and the question is is will it pull back right when you think about like Roe v. Wade
being overturned and a lot of the states basically banning abortion will our country kind of
come out of it a little bit and then kind of get back on a higher plane or is it just
kind of like we have a little bit of a hump and then it's just like straight down into
hell kind of thing and but I do think that it's going to be to that level of like you
said in Genesis chapter 6 where if that's the way it's going to be like in the days
of Noah so it's kind of hard to fathom that that would be the case but then again 10 years
ago I didn't think that drag queen's story time would actually be something people are
trying to defend.
Well you know and I thought about this like when we look about the Canaanites in the Bible
and it tells us all the horrible things in Leviticus that they did sometimes I wonder
like is this like every single person like every single Canaanite or was this just prevalent
in their society like because you could make the case that everything on that list some
Americans have done.
I mean there's some Americans that have practiced things like Vesiality and incest and sodomy
and like but again as a whole we're not like that as a whole I mean most people that you
run into aren't these like freaks and and weirdos it's just being tolerated in our
society and I kind of wonder like is is the Canaanite society when God was destroying
them through the Israelites was it like America today or was it much worse what is your kind
of your thoughts here Pastor Mejia do you think that Canaan was like we have a long
way to go or do you think that we're already kind of there?
Well I think the the biggest thing we got to look at is where are Christians at like
how desensitized have Christians as a whole become to iniquity abominable things because
like I think of like Judges 19 where you have this situation with the sons of Belial and
how the guy is just able to just dismember this woman's body and just send her body parts
all over the nation and you know to even fathom or to come up with the idea like I know what
to do I know how to get everyone's attention let me just cut this woman's body up and send
her all over I mean that's crazy to even think of doing it and then you know for people to
receive that and obviously they know about what's going on with the sons of Belial but
obviously the nation of Israel at that point had gone to had passed the threshold of being
desensitized to sin that this guy can literally just commit this crazy act of dismembering
a body and not really think anything of it whereas us today you know that would make
us sick it's not even something that we would come up with in our imagination so really
at the end of the day I think it's like where are Christians when it comes to this like
where are their where's where's where do they draw the line you know what does what makes
them sick kind of thing obviously the canaanites are always going to be canaanites and you
know there's always going to the unsaved are going to be unsaved it's like how far are
Christians willing to go what are Christians willing to tolerate what makes them sick how
far are they willing to go you know like in ezekiel the bible saying that the lord's seeking
for a man and he can't find any obviously there were still saved people obviously there
were still people that were children of god but they just weren't willing to stand in
the gap they weren't willing to kind of lead a charge or do something about it and it's
like how much are Christians going to tolerate and it seems like so far they've been tolerating
almost everything but there's been an awareness of pedophilia and a lot of agendas recently
and you kind of wonder like do we have an opportunity here for revival brother ben i
mean where are you kind of leaning do you think that we have the an opportunity here
for revival uh to piggyback off a pastor men is a sermon i mean we might as well try right
absolutely let's try and and you know there are some who would say that perhaps when you
look at the chronology of the end times that a revival has to happen some might argue that
it's already happened in the past or whatever but when i read uh the olivet discourse and
it talks about uh that this gospel the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness
unto all nations and then shall the end come it makes me wonder maybe there is going to
be a period of spiritual revival that happens before the rapture but i will say this when
it comes to at least the issue of the sodomites at the very least people are now beginning
to wake up to the fact that they're a bunch of groomers that they're pedophiles that they're
disgusting that they're defiling children they just need to make the leap and realize
it's not like oh there's a segment of them that are bad and this other segment is good
no they're all pedophiles they're all you know going after the kids and and one other
thing too i wanted to piggyback off of what you said you talked about ezekiel and also
pastor mihi you brought up how are christians gonna respond to this thing well to me a good
parameter for how our the state of our society is are christians sighing and crying like
ezekiel chapter 9 are they sighing and crying or are they just accepting the uh depravity
as the status quo that's how we'll know where we're at i think are christians en masse
sighing and crying as a result of the depravity of this nation and we have a long way to go
read revelation 17 what's mystery babalon the mother of harlots and abominations i
mean that is uh a magnitude of evil that i don't know that we can even conceptualize
right now well i think there's a lot of things have been going on i know that the the film
that was brought up the sound of freedom it's actually going to be a little bit of we're
going to talk about a little bit in our documentary as well pastor robinson preached on it i know
a lot of christians have been preaching about it it's kind of exposing how there's a lot
of evil going on and it almost seems like to me a positive sign is that the power of
the media has kind of diminished in the last few years because i think a lot of people
have started to realize that they're just only lying and i think what would be powerful
and i think for me personally i'm going to just start saying it's the jewish media from
now on because that's all it is we don't have an american media we don't have anybody that
cares about america anti-semitics whatever you want to call me i don't care but if you
look at abc nbc all of these different institutions it's just a jewish media and why do i care
what their perspective is on this world and we need america to stop caring i mean if if
we could detach ourselves from how media has been set up if a new institution was formed
they say hey we're a bunch of anti-christ jews and we want to tell you the news you'd
be like well i don't care about that but that is what it is it is abc nbc cnn they are just
simply a jewish propaganda machine going out there spreading lies and they've had so much
power and influence over the culture for so long but i think people need to start pushing
back and saying no who cares what you guys think who cares what you say you know you're
not real media you're just a fake propaganda wing and and kind of stopping to allow them
to have so much influence on our culture and and bring back the truth and the bible as
the influence on our culture bring back badness churches and i know these guys are are thundering
forth and making an influence in the culture but how do you guys see combating obviously
there's a lot of tools of the enemy out there right now but how do you see us combating
this news and and a negative media attention and really reaching people with the truth
what do you think pastor robinson like what is your goal or strategy to kind of overcome
all the lies and deception that's out there i think that to begin with the great commission
so going out and preaching preaching the gospel to every creature bringing them into church
getting them baptized and teaching them to observe all things and really that grassroots
of getting families strong in church and raising our kids uh to for the things of god and raising
that next generation and uh kind of like we were talking about with the it will it'll
be a revival um i preach for the best and i prepare for the worst you know i as far
as uh prepare you know kind of hoping for the best but i'm also not naive to think that
it could be you know in our day and and all that but i do like see some glimmers of hope
to where hey maybe we could be that hezekiah generation or that joseiah generation right
before the end you know right where we can say hey we we brought back our country from
the pits of hell for a little while and saw this great revival and then you know maybe
the next or two three generations down the line they are the generation that it all goes
down downhill so yeah it seems like the harder that we fight the longer God's gonna delay
and so you know I'm incentivized to fight harder even if we are getting closer to the
end I don't feel like we should pull any punches what do you what about you past me I know
you've gotten a lot of heat but you're still standing strong you're still fighting like
what is your goal as far as just really combating all the lies and deception out there well
the Bible says you can do nothing against the truth before the truth so I think as
long as Christians and churches and pastors are willing to proclaim the truth through every
avenue whether that's through their pulpits one-on-one discipleship with you know people
and their church through soul winning through social media outlets whether we get to delete
it on a weekly basis or not the truth is always going to get out there you know they just
deleted us again last week but who cares there's video game dudes who with 13 million subscribers
making videos about me and people are contacting me through my social media outlets because
of that amen so it's I think no matter what you do we can try to put in the effort to
start channels and start all these things and they can delete them but at the end of
the day if we just keep reclaiming the truth and just be steadfast and faithful in doing
so and not holding back God will always open up a new door there will always be a free
course available for us a road where the truth can travel to and get to a recipient someone
who's receptive to the truth who wants the truth and it'll change their life you know
what I mean the word of God will now return back void according to the Bible and so you
know basically piggybacking off of what pastor Robinson said raising godly families preaching
the word of God in my church and then just kind of putting my fishing pole in every every
social media outlet rumble YouTube Instagram tick-tock and let's see what fish bite and
you know the fish that are gonna be biting are those who are looking for the truth you
know it sounds like to summarize what you said it's almost like the truth is banned
but not bound and you need to go to banned but not bound.com you need to get into the
email list and you need to sign up you want to hear pastor Mejia preaching tonight first
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in this is gonna be off the chain it's gonna be lit it's gonna be bass it's gonna be Chad
it's gonna be everything you could want I've ever seen so many trad wives in my life and
I'm excited for this evening it's great to be around so many like-minded brethren and
people that are zealous and they love the truth hey you know what's so refreshing is
to be around people that just want to hear what's right whether it's popular or hurts
their feelings or if it makes them look bad they just want to know what's right and it's
just so refreshing because out in the world and around just normies it seems like people
are just so easily offended and they don't care what's right they're so apathetic and
it's just so refreshing to be around people that just want to know what's right and they
love the truth to be a lover of truth I think that's what really draws us out here and that
spirit that camaraderie about the love of the truth then you know what is this why you're
here the truth absolutely I mean that's the reason that's why I'm here you know I want
to hear unfiltered preaching from men of God who aren't a bunch of limp-wristed sissies
that are afraid of the reaction they might get from preaching a little too hard on quote-unquote
controversial issues but I'll say this it shouldn't be controversial to stand against
child offenders. It shouldn't be controversial to stand against. Yeah Ted Cruz you piece
of crap. You scumbag. You're gonna get me off on a rant here. But my point is it shouldn't
be controversial but it is in our wicked society and I just thank God that there's a place
I can go where everyone's normal. Just normal at the very least. Well we're wrapping up
because we're about to start. Pastor Mia why don't you give us some final thoughts before
we go. Give us some plugs. How can we find you? I don't know how you're gonna find me.
I'm in Anaheim. Go to his church. You can come to my church. That's right. You can follow
me on Instagram if you want. I haven't started a new channel yet. Go to his website. You
can go to my website fwbcla.org. Get in contact with me there. But more than that go visit
the churches. That's what everyone needs to do. You know what I mean. Go to Steadfast
Baptist Church. Go to Mountain Baptist Church. Go to Verity Baptist Church. Come to First
Works Baptist Church. The best way to get in contact with us is by actually physically
getting in contact with us at church, singing the hymns, being under the preaching, getting
into fellowship with God's people. That's the best way to do it.
Thanks so much for being on here. Pastor Robinson, you're in West Virginia. Give us an idea.
How do we get in contact with you? Where's your church at?
We are located in Fairmont, West Virginia. So we're in the north central West Virginia
area and you can contact us through our, well you can find us on our website, mountainbaptist.org
or you can email me at mountainbaptistwv@gmail.com and yeah, come out there.
He's our lone mountain ranger out there, you know, on the northeast coast. And so if you're
anywhere in the area, you got to go check out these guys. They're on polar extremes
of the United States, but you know what? They're standing on the same King James Bible and
they got a great spirit. And I'm really excited about this, this evening. You also got to
visit Verity Baptist Church, folks. One of the greatest churches in the world. Pastor
Jimenez, class act. It's hard to walk away and not be in awe of his leadership, his church,
the music. I mean, they have dueling pianists over here. I mean, it was just like amazing
last night and that's pretty much going to do it for this evening. Ben, why don't you
sign us off? Well, I appreciate the chance to be here. God bless you all and we'll talk
to you guys again after a while.