And so I see that he's popping in here right now.
I'll bring him up as a co-host.
What are you doing with that?
Wolf, I'm all the better
because we've got a wonderful guest speaker
and we've got yourself in here to help run the ship.
And for anybody that's not currently following Wolf,
I can't imagine there are a lot,
but he's actually not just one of the ongoing,
I guess you'd call it,
you're kind of the president, el presidente
of JQ Radio, also one of the founders,
if not the founding force behind it
and is running that with Uncensored and Colin.
So for anybody that's not following him,
certainly a great account to follow,
puts in a massive amount of time and attention
into not just the JQ,
but Wolf, maybe as the opportunity
to give a bit of background for anybody
that's less familiar with your content,
I feel like the JQ is just one of the many aspects
that play into your essential pursuit
of a better tomorrow.
You talk a lot about financial wellness,
about kind of emotional and physical wellness.
Do you wanna give everybody kind of just a overview
of some of the things that you focus on
and then we'll go to Mr. Passover.
Oh, bro, it is just a spiritual enlightening, right?
So where we can all agree on is
we're all stuck in a spiritual and psychological warfare
and that's what really was driving me
to do the JQ Radio, right?
We decided one morning I had the space running two days
and we were like, you know what?
We should do this more often, people seem to like it.
And so we started JQ Radio,
but the main cause to be driven to do this on a daily basis.
So I'm not really much of like,
I don't create my own content and make like videos go viral
or anything like that because I spend so much time
and spaces with like-minded individuals like Ian
and many, many, many other people who come up as speakers
to just have some really nice intellectual
IQ conversations about the problems
that everybody's facing in their daily lives
and the problems that we're having in the world, right?
So I see it as a spiritual awakening
and it's honestly something I'm very passionate about
because we only live one life, right?
And every hour and every minute
and every second goes by very fast.
So make the best out of it.
And if I can spread awareness and become a truth seeker
and a truth teller, right?
Like truth teller, but he's obviously a super computer.
Can't compare myself to him.
But if I can live a life and spread the light
on the darkness a little bit, I'm passionate about it, right?
And so, yeah, that's it.
I mean, just super, super passionate
about the spiritual warfare that we're all facing.
You know, I'm driven by passion, right?
I'm not making money on here, like where I can not work
or it's not, you know, we make nothing on you.
It's just pure passion.
I think that's what we need more in our circles
and on X is people who are passionate about these things,
right, and who actually doing this from a standoff.
You know, they're doing this with a pure heart, right?
So it's all pure, it's no fake and gay stuff.
And that's what's important.
But yeah, that's where I stand, brother.
You know me, keeping it real as much as I can.
Well, that's the thing.
I feel like if anybody keeps it real, Wolf,
you're certainly one that does.
And I feel like, especially with the vocal intonation,
I know it's not identical, but essentially
like the Schwarzenegger of the JQ's faces out here,
you know, not perhaps Austrian,
but have a similar little vocal variety there.
And you know, you're very much like Arnold
in that you speak truth, you call it like it is.
And I'm referring to the OG Arnold, for what it's worth,
pre-political run and his entanglement
with, I guess, the machine.
But you know, back in the day,
Arnold was just like a strong, charismatic individual
who was, you know, strong willed, strong mind,
strong bodied, et cetera.
And those are some of the things I see you focusing on.
So I'm just always humbled to be a part
of your conversations, to have you here.
And I think this is gonna go into some of that
because this is really about, you know,
having that strong will through some kind of convictions
that have to be grounded in something more than oneself.
And so I know there's a couple of topics
that the Mr. Band pastor was interested in discussing.
You know, some of the things that I threw out there
was the, you know, spiritual state of the state.
If we were to give a state of the union
of the religiosity of the American world.
And basically how you see it, where you see it going,
and how we can maybe bring a more convicted spirituality
to the masses.
Because if we're gonna reject the insanity
that is kind of the woke modernity,
I feel like it has to be rooted in something bigger
than ourselves, right?
Bigger than materialism, than vanity,
than hedonism, et cetera.
And so prior to maybe unpacking those things,
do you wanna give a bit of background on yourself,
some of your work, and I'd kind of heed you up
describing you as the most censored person on the net
when it comes to your religious bends here.
So if you wouldn't mind maybe introducing yourself
for anybody that is less familiar with your work.
Yeah, just can you hear me loud and clear?
I just wanna make sure.
Yep, sure can.
Great.
Thanks again for having me on a space.
And I love talking about all kinds of things.
Of course, my faith.
I also like talking about the JQ.
And I even have some material with me
if we wanna get into that discussion,
if we wanna talk a little bit about that topic.
But a little bit about myself again.
I do pastor a church in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
It's in Cedar Hill, Texas.
It's Steadfast Baptist Church.
And our church has actually had to move multiple times
because of being evicted, being sued, being protested,
all kinds of different crazy things.
I've specifically been banned on all kinds of stuff.
I lost our Bank of America accounts.
I lost Chase accounts.
I lost Wells Fargo accounts.
Of course, easy stuff like PayPal, MailChimp, Airbnb,
pretty much just anything and everything.
Then eventually they actually banned me
on all credit card processing.
So I can't do any credit card processing.
Of course, lost YouTube channels so many different times
to the point where I just stopped even trying.
This is probably my seventh or eighth Twitter account.
I'm a known terrorist on Facebook.
I actually tried to upload a video from our Rumble
on Facebook just before we got in the space
and they said it was spam
and they wouldn't even let me upload a video.
Additionally, just kind of even on Rumble,
which I love Rumble and I'm very pro-Rumble,
but I have had videos taken off of Rumble.
I've lost Facebook live streams.
Our Baptist, we have a Baptist bias show that we do
and I'm trying to simulcast on that right now on Rumble
for our audience so they can listen to the space right now.
But I also have lost videos on Rumble.
So we've uploaded our documentary, The Sodomite Deception
and it got taken down.
We've made documentaries called LGBT Terrorists
and I've made some more friendly
to the mainstream documentaries,
one called The Preserved Bible.
You can just go to the website preservedbible.com
and it explains where the Bible came from
and specifically why I use the King James Bible only.
And I think it's the ultimate truth.
We talk about restoring faith in a broken America.
It's gonna begin and end with the King James Bible.
It's the Word of God
and that's what's going to actually restore faith.
The Bible says faith come up by hearing
and hearing by the Word of God.
So people need to put their faith in what the Bible says,
not faith in a politician,
not faith in a political movement,
not faith in a particular individual,
not faith in a platform,
but rather faith in the Word of God,
which is the scripture.
And of course I come to everything with a Baptist bias,
but I love talking to people from all over
with different viewpoints, backgrounds,
and I'm just trying to get you converted to a Baptist.
So that's a little bit about myself.
Of course, hopefully that kind of gets
into our topic a little bit.
Let me know if there's something
you want to kind of dive into first here, Ian,
and again, appreciate being on the space.
Oh, of course, my friend.
And just in terms, because there was an emphasis there,
the King James Bible, right?
We hear a lot about the Scofield Bible,
the perversion of various texts,
Vatican II, all these kinds of things.
Could you give maybe just an orientation,
what is it that helped you land on the King James edition?
Is it in the text itself, the way that it's preserved?
What about that would you kind of use
to defend that position,
that that is the de facto must go to that text
rather than any of the other alternatives
that are out there?
Yeah, great question.
And of course I would point to our documentary
if you want a long answer to this, preservebible.com.
But when you bring up the Scofield Reference Bible,
I want to make it clear
that there's nothing about the King James that's wrong.
That's somebody adding their notes
and adding in a bunch of trash to the Bible itself.
Especially at that time,
pretty much everybody was using the King James Bible
because it was the only Bible.
You have a famous quote from Ronald Reagan
talking about as pious drudges try to get it right,
it will not dawn on them that it has been gotten right.
So even Ronald Reagan realized
that the King James Bible is the word of God.
And it's only in the last maybe 50, 60 years
where you've seen a dramatic shift in Bible translations
that have drifted away from
what the King James Bible's heritage is.
The King James Bible is based on the Textus Receptus,
which just simply means the Bible's passed down
and used by Christians.
If you understand kind of a little bit about the history,
in the 1500s, 1600s,
you see a reformation from the Catholic Church,
and they're realizing that the Catholic Church
was not really trustworthy,
they had corrupted the scriptures,
and so there was a big movement
to get an accurate translation of the Bible.
This was spurred by all kinds of different individuals,
Desiderius Erasmus,
of course that's where you get
the Martin Luther translation into German,
then you have a man by William Tyndale
who brings that into English,
and then from that is where you get
the handful of other English translations
that leads to the final translation, the King James Bible.
They even say in the Translators to the Reader
that it is to be one more exact translation
of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue,
that's a quote from the translators in their preface,
and really it is done.
Of course the English language is always gonna
make minor adjustments and shift a little bit,
but considering its global power,
the fact that so many people are using it,
it's not gonna shift very much,
and I still believe the King James Bible
is very understandable, but it's also accurate.
Other translations today do not use the same heritage,
they have gone from an eclectic text,
and so if you look at all the other languages,
or I'm sorry, all the other translations
of the English Bible, you'll notice they take verses out,
they change the phrases,
they say completely different things,
they contradict themselves,
and I believe that their fruit is evident
that it's not causing a great revival in America.
We see modern churches today doing all kinds of crazy things
being like a circus literally,
all kinds of sin and wickedness and insanity,
people of course have become very Zionist,
and all kinds of stuff,
just Pentecostalism has become crazy,
and we see just the fruit of the modern versions
is destroying America, it's destroying Christianity,
there's no respect for it anymore,
whereas the King James Bible is the only hope for America
to return to sanity, to normalcy, to conservatism,
to things that actually our country
was built and founded upon.
America is the greatest nation in the world
because of the Bible,
and because of the heritage of the word of God,
and because we literally put it into our laws,
we put it into our country, states,
many of them required and mandated for the government
to profess faith in Jesus Christ,
our laws were coming from,
directly from Leviticus, Exodus, Deuteronomy,
and that's what made America such an amazing country
is the desire for people to actually follow
what the word of God says,
and it's only since we've really gone away
from the word of God,
tried to undo all kinds of laws,
like in 2015, where Obama is undoing marriage
and basically allowing same-sex marriage,
which is just a culmination of many different things,
that's just one to point to,
but we see just the degradation of society,
and of course there's a specific group
that hates the Bible, that wear tiny hats,
and they want to essentially just destroy
our country, and the attacks on whites,
the attacks on men, the attacks that we see on conservatives
it's really just thinly veiled attacks
on the founding principles of Christianity,
that's where things are really coming from,
and so this is a major battle, this is a major fight,
and we need the word of God, we need the Bible
to reveal to us who is the real enemy out there,
and what is the real solution.
And what's so interesting about you saying that is,
people often I feel like they look at
all these different aspects of modernity,
whether it's mass migration, whether it's the culture wars,
it's things as simple as gender being turned upside down,
and I feel like a lot of people are lost and confused,
but when you instead just look at it all as an amalgamation,
and you say, actually I think that
what they're fundamentally attacking
is everything aligned with Christianity,
it starts to make a lot of sense,
all the things that are basically the inversions of gender,
of what it means to be a man, a woman,
of I guess even a moral compass, right?
When you put it through that lens and you say,
hey, this isn't actually an attack
on American values necessarily,
it's not an attack on democracy,
it's not an attack on the free market,
it's an attack on Christianity,
all the rest of it kind of comes into better focus,
is that kind of your take on it?
Yeah, absolutely, and I'd like to just read
a small portion from a book, it's called Behind Communism,
it's written by Frank L. Britton,
and I just wanna read a little section here in page 12,
it's just kind of the early part of this,
it's called The Evictions, so it's an eviction section,
and this is what this book says,
and I'm not gonna read all of it,
but I'm just gonna read a little bit.
It says, space does not permit a detailed discussion
of other evictions which followed
and which resulted in the banishment of the Jews
from virtually every country in Western Europe
and the succeeding centuries,
but here in chronological order is a list of evictions.
England, Jews expelled in 1290 by Edward I,
not permitted to reenter until 1655.
France, expelled in 1306 by Philip the Fair,
a few were permitted to return,
but were again evicted in 1394.
Jewish settlements remained in Bordeaux,
Avignon, Marseille, from where they were evicted in 1682,
in the northern province of Alsace.
Saxony, they were expelled in 1349.
Hungary, by 1092, the Jews were in control
of Hungary's tax collections.
In 1360, they were expelled, but later returned in 1582.
They were again expelled from the Christian part of Hungary.
Belgium, expelled in 1370,
a few settled there again in 1450,
but no large numbers came until 1700.
Slovakia, ousted from Prague in 1380.
Many settled there again after 1562.
In 1744, Marie Theresa expelled them again.
Austria, expelled in 1420 by Albert V.
Netherlands, expelled from Utrecht in 1444.
Spain, expelled in 1492.
Lithuania, expelled in 1495 by Grand Duke Alexander.
Portugal, expelled in 1498.
Prussia, expelled in 1510.
Italy, expelled from King of Naples in Sardinia in 1540.
Bavaria, banned permanently in 1551.
Jews were not permitted to enter Sweden until 1782.
None were permitted to enter Denmark
before the 17th century,
and they were not allowed in Norway after 1814.
Today, only a handful reside in all of Scandinavia.
Now, again, I don't have time to read all of this,
but you get a little bit of a context.
You kind of have just all of these European nations
that are Christian or Catholic,
but essentially just some form of Christianity,
and they're all expelling this one group
until you kind of have the 17, 1800s.
You really see mainly a lot of this
being pushed back with Napoleon,
and Napoleon essentially allows for these,
this specific group of Jews to reenter Europe.
A lot of laws start changing.
Then you see a lot of them migrate into Russia,
and you have a complete communist takeover of Russia.
They migrate to China.
You have a communist takeover of China.
You see a lot of Europe being overthrown,
and the aristocracy is being destroyed,
and then you kind of have the last bulwark of America,
which now almost everybody in our country,
as far as in a political position of power,
is either handled by someone that's Jewish or is Jewish,
and you kind of see this consistent theme
of Christian nations being Christian
while they expel the Jews.
When they don't expel them,
you see them being overthrown
and Christianity being demolished.
Europe is no longer Christian anymore.
Europe is no longer great anymore.
I mean, UK Britain was the world's champion
as far as the greatest nation in the world.
Russia was also a major threat and a major player,
completely overthrown and destroyed by communism,
and now America is headed down a similar path
where you kind of have to ask this question.
What destination, what future do we really want?
Do we want to have laws
that are based on Christian principles
and not allow people to triumph over Christianity,
or do we want to allow them to destroy Christianity
and destroy our nation and bring us back into communism?
And so if we want to restore faith in America,
we have to realize that there is a real communist threat,
there's a real communist history,
and it's the Word of God
that keeps us from going down into that dark hole.
I mean, the First Amendment and the Second Amendment
are so, so important and why we wouldn't be destroyed.
When you can't say what you need to say
and when you can't defend what you need to say,
well, then there really is no hope.
You're gonna go straight into communism.
The Hungarian Revolution's a great thing to read about.
The Bridget Andow's an incredible book.
There's a lot more to say on this topic.
I just wanted to kind of start out the conversation
to understand if we want to restore faith
in a broken America, we have to ask ourselves
why is it a broken, where did it become broken,
like what's causing the brokenness,
so then you can address the restoration.
And if you really want to understand the restoration,
you kind of have to understand the parasite
that's attached itself to the host
and recognize you have to get rid of parasites
if you want to thrive and be successful.
Of course, hosts, you know, think about it,
they can survive while parasites are on them.
But if the parasites get too big and too many,
well, then they can destroy the host.
And so I'm just trying to help identify
that there's a real battle going on between good and evil,
and it's those who are of God and love the Bible,
that are the righteous, and then you have those
that hate the word of God and have a false religion,
the religion of Judaism, which is of Satan.
The Bible says that the synagogue of Satan.
And these people are the true enemy of all righteousness.
And so I am trying to be kind of blunt here,
but I'll just kind of give you a little bit of a synopsis,
and then of course we can explore more there,
or if you want to push back,
or if someone wants to ask a question,
or we can talk more about solutions here.
No, I actually, I mean, I think you're spot on.
And the way that you just walked through,
I hope it's okay if I turn some of your words there
into a little video clip at some point over the weekend,
just because the way that you walked through the evolution
of this very self-evident scenario
where communism has gone from, like you said,
and predating Russia, but that's where it really took hold
from Russia to China to Europe to America.
And you're seeing this exact progression
and it's the same playbook over and over and over again.
And it does feel like it's not just an economic one.
It's not just a political one.
It's not just about power.
It is about unseating the moral fabric of those societies.
And in the West right now, in America,
we're basically at the culmination of what feels like
three, four, five generations worth
of anti-Christian rhetoric, propaganda, programming.
And that's come in all shapes and sizes.
It's Sam Smith on Saturday Night Live
singing a song called Unholy
while wearing a red wedding dress
with horns on his head, literally,
all the way over to the desecration
of the Christian faith,
whether it's through upside down crucifix
in a urinal, in an art museum,
or of course the documentaries and propaganda
that was pushed out about Christian Catholic pedophiles
and all this other kind of stuff.
Yeah, and I wanna read it.
And so I guess the question that I would have,
oh, go for it.
Sorry, you cut out on me and then I interrupted.
I wanna bring in a couple other quotes
just to kind of bring in that summary
because I think also the French Revolution
is kind of where you see these things start.
Napoleon is a hero to Jews.
They even have their own song dedicated
to singing about Napoleon
because he really gave them a lot of freedom in Europe.
But there's a book or I guess a document
called The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
And they have some really interesting quotes in this book.
And it's coming from the idea of a small group of people
that wanna basically destroy and take over the world.
But I wanna just read a few different things here.
This document has different quote protocols.
And it says in protocol one in their section 11,
it says, great national qualities like frankness
and honesty are vices in politics,
for they bring down rulers from their thrones
more effectively and more certainly
than the most powerful enemy.
Such qualities must be the attributes
of the kingdoms of the goyim,
but we must in no wise be guided by them.
So a quote in here says that the politicians
of the Jews will have no frankness or honesty,
and that they are bad things.
Additionally, in protocol number two in section three,
it says, do not suppose for a moment
that these statements are empty words.
Think carefully of the successes we arranged for.
Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzscheism, to us Jews at any rate,
it should be plain to see what disintegrating importance
these directives have had upon the minds of the goyim.
In protocol number three, section seven, it says,
the aristocracy, which enjoyed by law
the labor of the workers was interested
in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy and strong.
We are interested in just the opposite and the diminution,
the killing out of the goyim.
Another protocol says in protocol four, section three,
it's titled, we shall destroy God.
It is indispensable for us to undermine all faith
to tear it out of the mind of the quote goyim,
the very principle of Godhead and the spirit,
and to put it in its place,
arimathetical calculations and material needs.
In number four, it says thus,
all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain
and in the race for it will not take note
of their common foe.
Now those are just a few quotes,
but you can see from a document like that,
it's suggesting this idea that there's this group
of God hating, Satan worshiping, Judaism individuals,
and that these individuals want to undermine all faith.
They want to destroy every aristocracy,
which is talking about having a king as essentially
a monarch as their government.
And mostly because they felt like the kings
were much more difficult to overthrow
because they maybe have guiding principles of faith,
truth, honesty, loyalty, family,
a lot of them are Christian,
and they needed to get rid of them
to bring in quote democracy and fairness,
and they're always these social justice warriors.
There's a famous clip that a lot of people shared
of a young girl basically just taking credit
for how the Jews have brought in virtually every ism,
socialism and Marxism and transgenderism,
and just essentially all of these different isms
that are destroying and decaying our society.
And they want to destroy faith in the word of God,
in the Bible, because that's what gives us purpose.
And of course, they don't want us to be well fed,
they want us to be eating junk.
And we've seen some good moves
from the most recent administration saying like,
hey, we need to be healthy,
we need prosperity in our nation.
I would say like good directives.
We're gonna need to get rid of government incompetence,
government overspending, get rid of DEI.
I think these are all great principles.
We have to ask this question like,
if we don't realize where these good principles
are coming from, from the Bible and from the word of God,
then they'll inevitably fail.
It sounds good, but we need to bring in the word of God.
And I'd love to see the government run more efficiently,
but if they never give us any tax breaks,
well, then I guess we're just gonna shift more money
to the people that are essentially the ones
that are causing all the destruction of our nation.
That's not gonna help anything
if we're giving more money to the people
that are literally trying to destroy us and hate us
and wanna get rid of our faith.
We need to give it back to the people
that actually want to build our nation,
that love America, that love the constitution,
that love the word of God that built this great nation.
And that is what's gonna restore faith in our country
is when we're giving our assets and power,
empowering those who actually love our country,
not the people that hate it and use it and abuse it.
So I appreciate you, let me give you those quotes.
If we want to open it up for some discussion and everything,
those are just some of the things that I wanted to share.
There's a lot more I could share on this subject.
In fact, maybe I'm kinda planning on doing
a mini documentary at some point on the protocols of Zion
and basically just going through the French Revolution,
going through Russia, showing lots of quotes
from their documents and just showing
how all that's happening in the world today.
And I think just bringing more awareness is good.
And frankly, I mean, I can't really be banned
much more anyways, so I feel like I'm kind of
one of those people that could make something like that.
But I know there's a lot of other warriors out there
and people who are fighting.
I'm just trying to give a face to the opposition of Satan.
So I appreciate you guys.
Well, you know, and first for us is the audio mic.
No, your mic, yeah.
Gotcha, all right, well, I don't know why.
No, it's better.
Is this okay?
Yeah.
Maybe you have a bad headphone.
I don't know what you're using.
It might bad mic or a bad headphone.
One or the other, I don't know what's going on.
Is, I mean, is that any better or no?
This sounds better.
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, cool.
Sorry about that, guys.
No, what I was gonna ask really quickly on that,
I mean, you're walking through this,
let's just say predilection, right?
There is this unusual pattern that we're seeing.
I'm just kind of curious if, you know,
do you believe, Ban, that this is a manifestation
of a set of behavior that is downstream from,
let's call it indoctrination and from this text
and from a religious culture?
Or do you think that there's some kind of genetic aspect
that begot the culture in the text,
which manifests itself through these behaviors?
Because the pattern just becomes impossible to ignore.
And then the question becomes,
well, how do we keep coming back to it, right?
Well, I don't believe it's genetic at all.
I'm not a believer in anything genetic
having some kind of predisposition.
I think it's more of an environmental factor personally.
And I think it's more of a religious aspect.
I mean, you see people like Ivanka Trump
converting to Judaism.
She's not genetically predisposed
to that particular religion.
And you kind of understand like the history of the Jews
going all the way back to this diaspora of 70 AD.
Those people did not just isolate themselves,
but rather integrated into society.
Many of the people talk about the Kazarian Jews
and the mixing of Europeans with Jews.
And so I think that Judaism is a choice, it's a religion.
It's something that people of course can be brought up in,
but many people can also convert.
And that particular religion teaches a love of money.
It teaches a satanic agenda.
And it's really just the devil using pawns of this world
to fulfill his agenda.
And as those who are the adherents of Judaism.
You know, there's nothing stopping somebody
from being born a Jew and converting to Christianity
or making good decisions.
But of course, when you're brought up in a satanic religion
and you choose not to walk away from that,
you're gonna have certain principles that say,
hey, power and wealth are the only things that matter.
And it doesn't matter how you get them.
It doesn't matter by which means you acquire them.
You are a special group of people.
Then everyone else is cattle.
Everyone else is beneath you.
And you can use whatever means you need
to acquire more wealth and more power.
That's a really dangerous ideology
for people that decide not to walk out of it.
Christianity does not teach that.
Christianity teaches that everybody is loved of God
and that we should treat them fairly and justly
and we should be righteous and we should help our neighbor.
Not looking down at them as being an animal
that we should take advantage of and rip off
and manipulate to our own material gain.
And so, again, it's an ideological difference.
It's a spiritual battle that's being raged
and many people are constantly joining themselves
to this religion and leaving this religion
over the course of generations.
And so you can't say it's just a particular DNA thing.
It's about their ideological belief system
and people adhering to this particular belief system.
Just like Christianity is not comprised
of a particular DNA.
People of all races, internationality, groups
are believing in Christ and getting saved.
And so God's not a respecter of persons.
I'm not a respecter of person.
But you have to also recognize if someone's born
in a particular environment and they choose
not to get out of it, well, they're gonna probably
be like that particular environment.
And so, of course, being raised in Judaism,
having parents and grandparents and uncles
and going to the bar mitzvahs and going to the temple
and doing these satanic rituals and stuff,
even if someone walked away from the faith
and they're not even a practicer of Judaism,
all of that upbringing, all of that cultural influence
is gonna have a major impact on their worldview,
who they are, the decisions that they make.
Because many people say like, oh, I know these secular Jews.
They don't practice, they're doing whatever.
And what's wrong with these people?
Yeah, but they were brought up with these same principles,
ideals, their family members have ingrained
these mind viruses inside of them.
And so, it's not so much that they were ethnically doomed.
It was, or their DNA had some kind of predisposition
to be extra evil.
It's that they had this evil environment
that they were raised in.
And if they don't make a decision to walk away from that
or believe in Christ, then you're gonna see a pattern.
And again, I don't wanna be someone that denies reality.
I don't wanna sit here and say like, hey,
there's not this direct correlation
to someone being ethnically Jewish
and then having all these characteristics.
But I wanna make it clear,
it's not because of the ethnicity directly.
It's just a tight coupling.
It's a direct correlation because of their upbringing,
because of their environment.
And so, you just see it on wide scale.
Similar views that I have on everybody,
whether this be people that are born in inner city Chicago
to a black family,
they're predisposed to a certain environment
and many times act that way.
People are gonna be predisposed to their environment,
whether they're born in Russia, Asia, China, North Korea.
And of course, they're gonna be very similar
to that particular outcome of their environment.
But we wanna make sure to separate
the environmental factors here
and personal decision-making, personal responsibility
from someone's DNA.
I do not believe that we are hardwired
from our DNA to be bad or good.
We make those decisions ourself.
And so, I think everybody should take
personal responsibility.
But we also can't just sit here and ignore patterns.
That would be silly to sit here
and just ignore the obvious things that are going on.
And I think when we ignore patterns,
it causes people to be more racist
rather than recognizing it's an ideological battle
more than a racial battle
and trying to come up with a good solution,
not Darwinism or Planned Parenthood
or all these other solutions the Democrats came up with
that just kill people because of their race.
No, that's really well stated.
And what was wild is you were talking
just a little while back about the video
of the young woman walking through the isms
and the connection back to this group of people.
And if I'm not mistaken, I think that's MK
who we actually had on JQ Radio just yesterday,
which was really interesting.
She's a younger individual,
I believe somewhere in her early to mid 20s
is talking about these things on social media
and getting quite the buzz
because there she is this pretty young woman
who in this particular video
that had millions and millions of impressions,
she's just, I guess, baking a cake or something
is talking about the historical ties
of some of these events that you're talking about.
And I bring that up just because it does seem
like there is a, I don't wanna call it a resurgence,
but it seems like there is a growing number of people
that are in that younger generation
that are looking around
and they're basically seeing the culture that is,
that has had most of its religious emphasis ripped out.
And there's a lot of individuals
that look at the byproducts of that
and they see the modernity through the working woman
that is 45 years old, unmarried, doesn't have any kids.
And it's like, well, that's not what I want for my future.
And so we're seeing this younger generation
that may be starting to recognize
that something's wrong.
They're starting, the popularity of the things
like the trad wife or of young men
that are kind of setting out and saying,
I'm gonna buck the system and embrace kind of,
the Andrew Tate nonsense of the world,
I certainly push aside,
but there are those that look like
they're starting to seek out something more.
So I'm curious when you look at just the landscape,
we see the rise of things like Joel Osteen and mega churches,
which I think is actually taking people
down that circus path.
It's infotainment rather than information, right?
It's the religious equivalent of that.
But as we see that grow,
we also see this resurgence of these younger individuals
maybe seeking out the more traditional spirituality.
So I'm just kind of curious, are we making advances?
What can we do to try and ensure that we do push people,
not through violence or anything like that,
but maybe just show them the benefits
of those more traditional religious bends
that you would obviously advocate for?
Of course, I think the truth is powerful.
It can slice through so many lies quickly.
Our church really works hard at going out
and just doing personal evangelism
and trying to get people saved.
I think before you get saved,
you're not gonna really hear too much of the truth.
And so that's why we always are trying to preach the gospel
and that's our primary goal.
But I think just anytime we can make a documentary
or make a show or do a video or write a book
or do anything that just basically exposes more truth
to a space like this, do podcasts,
I think just awareness is very much needed.
And unfortunately, the enemy knows that.
That's why there's so much gatekeeping.
That's why there's so much censorship.
That's why there's so much harassment.
And I think that we just can't stop.
We just have to keep going.
I mean, I've obviously been banned
from so many different things,
but I think that I just,
trying to create more creative ways
to put the information out there,
I think with Elon Musk and Trump, this presidency,
we might see some more opportunities
than we had in the previous presidency.
And I think what we need to do
is take advantage of those opportunities,
putting the information out there when we can
and exposing people to the truth
because the truth is what matters.
You should know the truth
and the truth shall make you free is what the Bible says.
And so we need to just work really hard
at caring what the truth is and trying to find people
that are sincere.
It's, there's some people that you kind of run into
and they're gonna gatekeep you on certain issues.
And what we need to not do
is just waste all of our money, effort, and energy
on people that won't have the hard conversations,
that won't talk about these things
because I have a lot more in common with someone
that believes completely differently than me,
but is willing to talk about anything
than someone that seems like on the surface
they're kind of conservative and like things that I like,
but they won't talk about the issues.
They won't let me bring up the documentaries that I've made.
They won't allow me to talk about the Jewish issue.
They won't allow me to talk about what the Bible says.
And then it's like, well,
what's the point of even having a conversation?
Oh, are we really gonna sit here
and just argue and make a whole documentary
on how men are actually men and not really a woman?
Like, you know, they think that that's a big win
in the culture, but I'm sitting here thinking like,
who changed their mind?
Who was sitting at home thinking like,
I really actually believe women are men.
And now that I've watched Matt Wallace's documentary
on what a woman is, now I've changed my mind.
Now I actually know what a woman is.
Like, it's just a decay of society
and you have a few people just trying to make a buck
as the Titanic goes down.
I mean, it's eventually like somebody going around
selling food on the Titanic as it's sinking.
And we think that that's somehow a solution.
And it's like, this guy's just trying to get
a few extra bucks and arranging deck chairs
on the Titanic.
Like, we need to find a boat.
We need to get off.
We need to like, we need to do something different here
and we can't just keep funneling money
and time and effort and energy into people
that won't talk about these issues.
And so, you know, I'm definitely trying my hardest
to reach out to people and make new friendships
and collaborate, but really just, you know,
I wanna make more films and do more podcasts, do more shows.
That's why I'm having this conversation.
And that's why, you know, I'm interested
in talking with other people.
The truth is what we need to do.
When the government fears the people,
then typically you're gonna be in a better spot.
When the people fear the government,
that's when it's dangerous.
And so we really need to educate the populace
and keep them fully aware,
allow them to understand a lot of truth.
Our education system is such a detriment.
I feel like we almost have to sit here
and just like almost have like a classroom setting,
like, all right, now let's learn real history.
Let's like learn what actually happened in the dark ages.
That's actually what really happened
in the French revolution.
Let's actually let's like learn what happened
with the Russians.
Let's just learn what happened like 10 years ago.
Let's just realize that in Texas in 2003,
it was illegal to be a fag.
It was illegal to be a homosexual.
And so like, just think about like the insanity
of where we've gone in just about 20 years.
Like, that's just insane,
the trajectory we've been headed on.
And you can't even say these things.
On public television in the 90s,
you could say the word fag.
You have all kinds of movies and people saying this.
Now it's just like we have transgenderism and Satanism
and just all this stuff.
And I feel like we have a little bit of momentum.
I think people have kind of woken up
that Hollywood is not great.
They're kind of lame.
The writing has gotten really bad.
The actors are just so bad.
Our government is so old and so out of touch.
Technology has really changed a lot of things.
And so we have a little bit of momentum here.
We need to lean into it, use that, make good film,
make good spaces, make good books,
make good information and get it out there.
I mean, what changed the Catholic church?
The Protestant Reformation was when Martin Luther
was stuck on the door of the 95 Thesis.
Now I'm not Catholic.
I don't really agree with Catholics,
but it's like what caused a change?
Him putting this literature on the door
saying the Pope is bad and the Pope is wrong
on a lot of issues.
What changed the world?
When William Tyndale translated the Bible into English
and then we have an English King
allowing the Bible to be translated
and people to actually be able to read it.
That's what changed America.
That's what influenced America.
That's what caused people to get out of the dark ages
in a major way in Europe.
Why did they have a Renaissance?
Because of literature, because of reading.
People need to get back to reading.
People need to have education.
People need to have vocabulary.
People need to understand why we're here
and where we came from and who the players are at the table.
Because right now everybody's just distracted.
People are apathetic.
People are confused and we need to basically
bring them up to speed on so many issues.
So like I said, I'm just really appreciative
of having this kind of conversation
and talking about these issues.
But we just need more and more people
bringing out the awareness and having the boldness
to talk about things that are uncomfortable
or get you quote banned or whatever.
Really well stated.
And I'm just kind of curious for your take there
in terms of that awakening for individuals
that are listening in right now,
they want to do their small part.
What is their best way to try and connect individuals
to somebody like yourself or their local churches
and communities?
What have you seen that has been really successful
with those that maybe you've been trying to win over
that are in your immediate vicinity
or perhaps those that are connected to you digitally
even though they might be hundreds of miles
if not an ocean away from you?
Well, the first step, everybody needs to get saved.
And that's just believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Bible says salvation's a free gift.
Jesus already paid for all of our sins.
And all the other religions out there
are teaching you works-based salvation,
teaching you have to be catechized or be baptized
or repent of all your sins or do all these works.
And the Bible teaches salvation's a free gift.
And it really is simple.
It's a one-time decision.
Once you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
you're given eternal life, you become a son of God,
and you can't change that for any reason.
And so people need to make sure that they're saved
and trusting in faith in Jesus.
I have a lot of videos on that.
You can go look up the Bible Way of Heaven,
go to our website, SBCKJV.com.
On the front of our page has a Bible Way to Heaven video.
It's 10 minutes.
That's the first step.
Second step, you need to just start reading your Bible
and you just need to read the King James Bible.
If you haven't read it cover to cover,
you just have to do it.
And you need to read the New Testament.
That is gonna give you an idea of understanding
how the world works.
I think beyond that, really, you know,
people should be also just educating themselves in general
about history, getting primary sources.
You need to go to a good church,
a church that's King James only.
I believe salvation's by faith.
And of course, if you don't have a great church,
you can always listen to sermons online
from a church like ours.
But you know, the most important thing we can do
is getting other people saved.
And the thing is, it takes a grassroots army.
It takes individuals to say, you know what?
I'm gonna get saved
and I'm gonna help other people get saved.
And then once they're saved and they have the truth,
then it's like, okay, we got a King James Bible.
Okay, now we're gonna actually try
to live real Christianity out.
Christianity is what made our country great
and it's not gonna be great without Christians again.
We need Christians to be Christians.
We need Christians to be bold.
We need Christians to adhere to the truth.
And even if you weren't raised Christian
or you're raised with a bad type of Christianity,
don't allow those lies and those manipulators
and those false prophets to discourage you
from the real truth.
Of course, the devil's gonna wanna create
10,000 bad versions of Christianity
to get everybody jaded against the truth
and not like the Bible,
but we need to realize that that was a distraction.
And a lot of us have been distracted from the truth.
We need to get back to the Word of God.
God loves us.
God wants to use us mightily.
God wants to restore our cities, nations, states,
our families, our churches.
And the only way we can get that is if we go back to Him.
God was with the children of Israel in the wilderness,
but they were not really blessed
because they weren't really doing what He said.
And it wasn't until you had a new generation with Joshua
say, hey, we're gonna do what the Bible says.
And then they had great successes
and they conquered their enemy.
Our country and our nation and our group of people
will not have success if we do not adhere to the Bible.
So we have to adhere to the Bible
and we have to just say, you know what?
It's right.
I'm wrong.
Let us change.
And it takes every individual.
I can't do it by myself.
It takes other people to become zealous for the truth
and to maintain good works and to say, you know what?
I can make a difference.
I can get my spouse saved.
I can get my children saved.
I can start teaching them the Bible.
I can start doing homeschooling.
I can start educating them.
I can give them a good education.
I can help them get skills
so that when they go into the workplace,
they can actually make good money.
You know, a strong middle class
is gonna also help preserve America.
We need to get away from debt.
We need to get away from all the dependence of Jewish banks.
We need to get away from them owning all the land.
All we see is apartment complexes
being built all over this country.
That is terrible for our nation.
We need to get rid of apartments
and we need to go back to private land ownership.
We need to hold our government accountable
for all the evil things that they're doing
and the money that they're wasting.
And you know, these things don't happen
when people are just a slave to oppression
and they're not knowledgeable
and they don't work hard and they don't care.
You know, every single person
needs to take personal responsibility
and say, hey, I need to educate myself.
I need to read.
I need to learn.
I need to work hard.
I need to do that which is right.
And you know, God created us with instruction manual.
That instruction manual is the Bible.
We always work best when we're doing it
the way that he created it.
So you know, if you try to use something
against the instruction manual,
it might break or have problems.
When you do according to the manufacturer's guidelines,
it's always gonna work and operate the smoothest.
That is the word of God.
That is the Bible.
We are his creation and so we need to adhere
to what he gave us.
And I think that if you feel like you have no part in his,
you're wrong.
Every single person is important right now.
Sharing the truth.
And really, this is what they should do
is they should get behind the right kind of leaders.
Like I said, not giving their money
to people that won't actually say the real things,
that won't say the truth,
that aren't gonna encourage people to make positive decisions
that aren't trying to get people saved,
that aren't trying to turn people to righteousness.
You know, stop wasting your money, time and effort
on fake solutions, fake politicians, fake religion
and get behind the real truth.
So that's a big list.
But again, just to summarize one more time,
get saved, start reading your Bible,
go to a church where you can get baptized,
that's King James only.
Of course, educate yourself, work hard
and try to educate everyone around you.
Be bold, be someone that's knowledgeable
and get behind the right kind of leaders.
Get behind people that are actually gonna take bold stands
for the truth and they're not gonna just use your money
for personal satisfaction,
but rather they're gonna use your money
to get the truth out there.
And so, you know, we're gonna keep making documentaries,
we're gonna keep doing missions trips
and I'm gonna keep doing all kinds of shows
and that's my goal is to get the truth out there.
So love being in the chat and having this conversation.
Yeah, and love being able to try and maximize your voice,
get it exposed to some new individuals
so they can support that work.
Real quick before we go to a Q&A,
I know we got a lot of individuals
looking to kind of pick your brain.
The way that people can best support those projects,
whether it's through kind of charitable donations
or supporting your documentary,
whether it's on views or subscriptions
or things of that nature,
what can people that are listening in,
that are really liking what they're hearing,
what could they do to kind of just add to the coffers,
if you will, with all the work that you're doing?
Yeah, and again, I want them to get saved
and get to go to a good church.
If they have a good church, support that church.
If they don't, find a good church
that's trying to reach people and support them.
You can, our church is sbckjwe.com.
There's a lot of information on there for free
that you can watch.
You can watch our documentaries.
Share them with your family individually
because you can't even share.
If you put our website, sbckjwe.com, in Facebook,
it'll say this is a known terrorist website.
You can't even share it or whatever.
In many cases, you have to share these things
individually with people,
and so sharing that with them, supporting them,
get into a good church, start preaching the gospel,
learning how to preach the gospel,
learning what the truth is, and learning on these topics,
learning how to articulate them
in a manner that is palatable.
If you just get up and just say,
I hate Jews because they have big noses,
it's like that's not gonna really win a lot of people over,
but if you can actually show them a movie
like Marching to Zion,
or you wanna help people understand the Bible,
preservebible.com is a great way,
and educate yourself on these topics.
Really get plugged in.
That's gonna make a big difference.
Follow and share the information from the people
that are making the big difference,
and give your time to the things that matter.
Give your time to the Bible.
Give your time to people that aren't gonna speak the truth.
Give time to your family
and those that are interested in the truth,
and that's what's gonna make a big difference,
is when people actually put their time, effort, energy,
and money in the right spots.
So I hope that's kind of an answer to your question.
No, it's a great answer,
and it's one that is selfless, right?
You're not saying, hey, go here and donate to my cause,
but rather to the cause
that is just merely seeking out the truth
and for individuals to find some kind of relationship
with God, which is really the message
I think everybody can get behind universally.
To open things up to some of the questions,
I know that Eyes2See had their hand up.
If others wanna pop up here,
and certainly kind of ask for some of the expertise
of a band pastor, certainly feel free to request a mic.
If not, we'll go to Eyes2See and then go over to Sean.
Yeah, I appreciate the conversation very much, fellas.
As a lifelong conspiracy theorist,
I'm not trying to act like I'm anything special
because I'm not.
I went to church as a teenager,
and I found my way back to find out
that what I believe now is Jesus Christ
is the ultimate truth.
And it's not about going to church.
It's about a relationship with God.
And I feel like I had a blind faith as a young man,
and now that I'm an adult, my faith is far from blind.
It's based on logic.
It's based on evidence, historical evidence.
There's a lot of fake history.
There's a lot of nonsense going on.
They want everybody completely lost and confused,
but we're not.
I'm personally standing on solid ground
and a fine fingerprint on the text
that you won't see if you never look.
And I just wanted to give my take, my perspective on that.
Again, appreciate the perspective or the conversation, fellas.
Yeah, thanks for your comments.
You know, again, I think people a lot of times
are just jaded against church
because they've been in a lot of bad churches,
but the word church in the Bible
is just meaning congregation.
So it's just other believers.
And really, that's what the devil wants
is us to not be united and not get together
and have friendships and fellowship.
I mean, church, what it's supposed to do
is iron is supposed to sharpen iron,
and we're supposed to be around other like-minded believers
who have a love and a zeal for the truth
and are actually gonna fight the good fight of faith
and to encourage each other and come alongside each other.
The Bible says two are better than one.
And so that's why I do emphasize going to a good church.
And of course, there's not a lot of great churches
in this world, but if you're interested,
you could always email our church.
We'll try to help you find one in your area.
Of course, you're always welcome to visit our church too,
but there is a lot of bad churches out there,
and so I empathize with people from having bad experiences,
but I wanna encourage them that the institution's not bad.
It's just you might have been around some bad people
that didn't actually have a zeal or love for the truth.
So conspiracy theorists as well.
So appreciate those comments.
Yeah, and Ben, for people that are listening
that might not have approximated you
but are looking for something
that's in their neck of the woods,
a couple things, three, five things,
would you recommend that they use as kind of a barometer
to try and figure out who might be
a better church than others, right?
Is it a conversation with one of the pastors?
Is it something about the organization?
What would you look for?
Yeah, I would look for a Baptist church
that's King James only and believe salvation by faith.
Those are probably the three most important.
There's a website called Military Get Saved
that you can go and there's about 7,000 churches
that they have listed.
Not all of those are good
and not every fundamental Baptist church is good,
but those are gonna typically be your best bets.
I also believe the New IFB is a great movement
and there's several churches in the New IFB
that are not only just in the United States,
they're actually in the world.
There's places in Canada.
There's a church in Vancouver, Washington near Portland.
There's a church in Sacramento, California,
Verity Baptist Church.
The one in Shure Foundation is in Vancouver, Washington.
There's a church in south part of California,
kind of Orange County, LA area.
First Works Baptist Church, great church.
Faith Word Baptist Church in Tempe or Phoenix, Arizona.
Pastor Steven Anderson is a great church.
And I'm not gonna remember all the ones off the top
of my head, but there's lots of churches out there
that you could find.
I think that that's gonna be your best bet
is finding people that you would be surprised
are actually awake on a lot of these issues.
They actually know what's going on with Zionism
and how it's fake.
They are aware of a lot of the injustices going on
by our government and 9-11 is an inside job
and all kinds of different things like that.
And so, it's just that there's a lot of churches
that are just kind of a social club
and it's just babysitting a bunch of goats.
I mean, at the end of the day,
this is how I look at our government.
There's nothing wrong with the constitutional republic.
The problem is that we have a bunch of bad politicians
and leaders in that government.
The structure of our government's fine.
The constitution's fine if we actually did what it said.
It's the problem is, and again, church is fine
if they actually did what they said.
But you got women pastors, you have the Pentecostal nonsense
of people just getting up and blabbing things
they don't even understand what they're saying.
And you have, of course, anything Catholic
or Catholic light basically teaching all kinds
of hardcore work, salvation.
So, you do have to avoid, obviously, a lot
to find the truth, but that's just how the world is.
The devil is the father of lies
and he has his minions out there and we need to avoid them.
It's probably better to not go to church
than to go to a bad church,
like one that has the wrong gospel.
But it's still better to go to a good church than to not.
So, I just wanna encourage that.
Yeah, absolutely.
And for folks, Michael O'Neill put into the chat
asking if there's a way to get some of your content
via sites like Facebook, given some of the changes
on censorship that Zuckerberg has promised.
I don't know if he's actually delivered on it,
but are you guys putting content out there?
And if so, where could people go to visit
either live feeds or other information from you guys?
Yeah, the best, we're on Rumble
and so you could find the Baptist Bias on Rumble.
You could find Steadfast on Rumble.
Our church website's sbckjv.com.
We do have a Facebook page for the Baptist Bias,
but I can't completely control it
because I got nuked personally from it.
But I do try to put some things out there on Facebook,
maybe on Instagram too.
I think we have an Instagram,
but BaptistBias.com has links to all of that podcast stuff.
So, we do a lot of podcast things that has some links
if you're interested in kind of more of the public sphere
that I'm able to enter into.
Of course, helping me grow on Twitter
and I'm trying to use that as best I can.
Obviously, Twitter has its pros and cons.
Rumble is a great platform as far as streaming is concerned,
but I can't obviously use things like YouTube
and stuff like that right now,
but I would love to if that ever happens.
But we also send out, we have movie tickets
that we print and make for our church films and stuff.
We send them out.
If you ever want them, you can email us
and we'll just send you a bunch
and you can hand them out to whoever you want.
So, we're all about getting information out there,
but obviously, there's a reason why I'm banned.
They don't want the truth to get out there.
And so, in fact, if you go to the ADO website, it's funny.
I'm actually a glossary term on their website,
it's kind of funny.
Who cares about this small, medium-sized,
I mean, we have a couple hundred people
that go to our church,
but it's not like a Joel Osteen-sized church.
It's like, why do they care so much?
They just know how powerful the truth is.
And so, if we can get enough people
just to rally around the truth,
it can really have a big impact.
No, and on that, when it comes to the impact,
obviously, you've had an immense one.
The fact that all these social media apps
are trying to censor and suppress
the truth that you're bringing,
to me, anyway, it's demonstrative
that the things that you're sharing
are not only righteous,
but are also scary to those people in charge,
which I just find that rather comical, right?
That the ADL is terrified of what you're pushing out
when everything that I've heard thus far
is just a call for that which is good
and is defined as good based on essentially a philosophy,
a set of ethics and morality
that goes back at this point thousands of years.
And it really is unfortunate
that we see that group of people
with so much power where they can normalize,
basically, evil as if it is the good.
And they can say that that which is good is somehow evil.
So, I'm just certainly happy to be able to be here
to try and bring additional attention
to the work that you're doing.
And with that being said,
I know we got some additional questions.
I'd be curious if Sean or if not,
if Comply or Mancos has some additional questions for you.
Yeah, I just wanna be careful
about how I'm asking these questions
because I don't wanna like take us off subject,
but the things that we're discussing
with the Christian church,
including like the Bolshevik wars,
where we believe that almost 60 million Christians
were wiped off the face of the earth.
As a Christian, that really affects me hearing that.
And knowing that some of those things affect our world today.
I've been, thanks to Uncensored,
I've been looking at the protocols of Zion.
So, I'm glad you mentioned it.
I've been struggling to try and find ways
to verify the information
because when you start talking about this
and you start putting the pieces together,
you get some pushback from people.
Do you know what I mean?
Including when you're trying to put
some of these kind of obvious parts of history together.
I know that you mentioned the expulsions
and I was interested to hear
about some of the Middle Eastern expulsions,
including when 130,000 Jews were pushed out of Iraq
and finding out those reasons
why they did that in the 1940s and 50s.
And now, of course, we talk about Egypt as well,
where they seized Jewish businesses and in Morocco,
where they were pushed back to Israel and France indeed.
So, and even then, like I look at the protocols
as a good example of some of these expulsions.
And one of the quotes I'd just like to lay before
that I'll let you give to hands
is our kingdom will be distinguished by nepotism
of such magnificent proportions
that it will wipe out any nation that opposes us.
And so, I've been going through these kind of protocols,
that's protocol three.
I've been going through these protocols
and trying to piece these things together.
So, I'll just go back to listener
and I'd be really interested
to listen to a lot more of this space.
Thank you, Ian, as well.
Thanks, Wolf, for bringing me up.
Yeah, thanks to the speaker.
And of course, there's gonna be pushback on both sides.
And of course, you see injustices
to all kinds of different people.
I think that we can at least admit
that there's been injustices
to people that are ethnically Jewish.
And so, we don't wanna necessarily think,
I mean, some of them are victims.
I think that the large percentage of people that were Jews
were kind of victims of the power-hungry elites
from World War II and those that,
in many cases, even sold out their own brothers
for all kinds of evil.
You see the Rothschilds and you see different individuals
basically just admitting to some of the atrocities
that they committed at their own hands,
ratting out their own people.
George Soros is kind of like an informant
against these people.
And so, I also empathize and say,
hey, if there's a Jew out there
that wants to believe in Jesus Christ and be saved,
that they need to also do so.
And I love that person as an individual.
But I think at the same time, we have to recognize,
hey, there's still a problem here
and we need to talk about why you have the problems
that you're having, why there's issues,
why there's pushback, why there's hatred.
I mean, there's all this talk about anti-Semitism
that exists in our world.
You always have to ask the question, why?
I mean, are people just randomly just waking up
and just deciding, I'm just gonna hate a group of people
for no reason and we're gonna just make laws
to just outlaw this group of people just throughout history
and all these different countries for just no reason?
Why doesn't anybody just ask, why is there anti-Semitism?
We seem to always say there is a bunch,
but then it's like, well, why?
And what's the real thing that's going on?
So, I appreciate those comments.
I forgot one church.
I wanna recommend, if you're in Oklahoma City,
you gotta go to Anchor Baptist Church
with Pastor Dylan Oz.
He's also someone that has made a big splash
and got a lot of national attention
and billions of views on TikTok for some of his preaching.
But Oklahoma City, you gotta go to Anchor Baptist Church.
Thanks.
I just wanted to respond quickly to that.
What I believe is personally,
when you look at this whole thing and you said about
there being innocent Jews, I would believe you on that.
But what I also believe is that the Jews are very,
that this thing that hides behind,
I would call it Jewish supremacy,
they need some kind of innocent scapegoat.
And so that's what they tend to do,
is they make this innocent scapegoat.
And it has to be true.
It can't all be falsified.
So they need a section of people
who genuinely believe that there's something good
about what their religion is.
That allows it to become more believable in the world
about why we allow the evils to creep into this world.
Does that make sense of what I'm saying?
So as I look through all of this,
what I see is a scapegoat throughout history
at each time that we try to challenge this
through these expulsions where they say,
hey, we're all innocent.
And then they go back to another country
and do the same over and over and over and over again.
And so that's what I would say on that.
Sorry, I'll let people speak now
so I'm sure we've got hands up.
No, I think that was a great point.
And I agree with you that they kind of like use,
they use low level shoes as a kind of a punching bag.
They do a bunch of bad stuff
and then put a bunch of people in harm's way.
And then they say, oh, look, we're victims
and we're being attacked.
And so it's kind of like a double win for them.
And so I definitely think that they need those victims,
but I think that they are in many cases,
some of them are kind of victims.
I think it's kind of a two-edged sword.
Some of them are victims.
Some of them are kind of like claiming to be victims,
but they kind of know what's going on too.
It's kind of like the gangster wife who she doesn't know
that her husband is killing a bunch of people
and murdering them and what he's doing at night.
But she does know that she's getting a bunch of money
and it doesn't really make sense.
And so it's kind of like,
is she a victim when she's harmed
because of her husband's occupation?
And it's like, is she really a victim?
I guess that's for a lot of people kind of to decide,
but I appreciate those comments.
Yeah, no, and it's funny.
I've always found that dynamic curious
because we'll go into spaces and I'll talk about
what I believe is essentially Jewish privilege
in the Western world.
And people will say, well, what's wrong with that?
And I say, well, wasn't white privilege the problem
for like four generations, according to the media?
And people will say, well, I mean, maybe it was.
And it's like, no.
I mean, as literal as 10, 15 years ago,
it was demanded by the media
that just because you're a white,
that you had a subconscious bias
and all of this other kind of stuff.
And I just suggested because I would agree with you,
I think there is a benefit that a lot of individuals,
they're not necessarily nefarious,
but they're receiving that bias that for so long,
the media screen was actually benefiting white people.
And it's like, we see all around us,
obviously that has not been the case.
But I would agree with you, Ben,
where I think a lot of people in the Jewish community
are frankly just, they're indifferent
to knowing these truths.
They benefit from them existing,
whether or not they acknowledge them openly
or whether or not they kind of participate willingly in it.
It's still there.
And simultaneously to Sean's point,
the same group of people that are having that,
what I would define as privilege,
also believe themselves the victims of this endless animus
and bigotry and all of these other kinds of things.
So it's this very,
and that's why I do look into the genetics.
I know it's not something that you necessarily
wanted to tether yourself to,
but if nothing else, there is certainly an overrepresentation
of things like schizophrenia, paranoia,
all of these other behavioral characteristics
that loosely would reflect things
like narcissistic personality disorder,
which if you just look at the religion,
the idea of being the victim while victimizing others,
it kind of fits perfectly into that NPD
psychological profiling.
But that's a much larger conversation,
but either way, would love to see if Mancos cost
or comply, I have a question for Band.
Go for it, Cost.
Cool, thanks for letting me up.
Great space.
I had a question for Band pastor.
What evil specifically are you referring to
in National Socialist Germany?
I guess I don't remember.
Can you remind me of the quote a little bit more
or what I brought up?
Well, basically about what the evil,
the so-called evils that the Germans did,
because in my estimation, National Socialist Germany
is not only the greatest civilization that's ever existed
on the face of the earth and all of human history,
it's actually the most Christian as well.
And that's why America, Jewish America,
decided to destroy it.
So quarantining and segregating Jews is not an evil.
It's a justice and it's moral.
Christians are fundamentally, I'm a Christian,
we are fundamentally incompatible with these people.
We have no business living anywhere near them,
especially allowing them into our civilization.
So I don't see what the Germans did as being
not just wrong, but especially not evil.
Well, I guess for me, when it comes to just war in general,
there's gonna be collateral damage.
And so the word evil can be interpreted as wicked
or just harm.
And you could do evil to someone that deserves it.
You can do harm unto someone that does deserve it,
and it's not necessarily wicked.
But I think at the very least,
everyone would have to acknowledge
that when you have worldwide war,
there's gonna be women and children and different people
that are just casualties of war
and that evil happened unto them,
regardless of what your position is on who's the most right
when it comes to a particular conflict.
I don't think that there's anything wrong
with having expelled Jews from Germany
or wanting to rid themselves from all the transgenderism
and all the nonsense they're bringing into their country.
I do think that when it comes to Hitler specifically,
Hitler was not a Christian.
I think he had a Catholic upbringing
and really didn't adhere to that very much.
Hitler had ideas to extract a lot of land from the East
and he attacked obviously a lot of different countries.
And so I personally don't really agree
with Hitler's actions.
I don't think that Hitler was a good guy.
I think Hitler had a satanic influence as well,
because you could see all the pagan idolatry
in their worship ceremonies,
it was what I would call it,
when they're going up and parading
all kinds of graven images and satanic imagery.
And there was a lot of evil people in the Nazi party.
That doesn't mean that they don't have a right
to exist as a country.
That doesn't mean that they don't have the right
to defend themselves from just communism
or poverty or whatever.
I just don't know that I could say
I personally agree with how they handled that.
I don't really agree with their leadership.
And from my perspective,
like I'm coming to it from a more religious perspective,
Hitler's not a saved Christian.
He's not someone that was seeking
for the truth of the Bible.
He didn't want to see people saved.
He killed a lot of people through his actions.
Can I just interject that essentially
everything that's come out of your mouth
is factually false and is probably propaganda.
We actually just had a two and a half hour space
on positive Christianity,
and especially dispelled everything
that just came out of your mouth.
Could you just point out one statement?
Because I don't think that anything I said was wrong.
Well, essentially all of it that,
okay, whether or not you agree with Hitler,
I really don't care.
That's not important.
But when you're passing off statements as fact
and you put authority behind them,
like he wasn't a Christian,
well, that may be your opinion.
But the fact is that there's more than enough evidence.
And I'm actually surprised that HSG is not in here.
So fact, so Hitler fact is a Christian?
That's, you're gonna tell me?
Hitler factually was a Christian, yes.
He was a Catholic and he adhered to it.
And again, we just had,
you're more than welcome to listen to the faith.
I differentiated from Christians and Catholics.
And then I additionally said
that he had a Catholic upbringing,
but are you telling me that he went to mass
every single service and that he did practice-
There's very few Christians in the world
that actually do that.
That doesn't negate them being a Christian at all.
That doesn't, that simply does not disqualify you
from being a Christian.
Yeah, this is your misunderstanding
of religious terminology.
Coming from the guy who preaches
the King James only brand of Christianity,
1 John 5.7, the Johannine controversy
that you're clearly not aware of.
There's certainly nothing wrong with NIV.
So this whole like Southern Baptist,
King James version only crack a shit that you're pushing.
That's all fine.
I really don't care.
But when you're slandering,
Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest Christians,
probably the greatest Christian
outside of the 12 disciples that ever walked the face.
He was in a homosexual empire like the United States
that had a segregated, racially segregated military
that fought against the non-segregated German.
I don't think as an American,
you have any moral ground whatsoever
to complain about the SS, their command,
or the Christianity of that empire.
Adolf Hitler is the greatest Christian.
That's hilarious, brother.
That's hilarious.
You're using the phrase to slander Adolf Hitler
is pretty Southern Baptist bullshit.
That's what that is.
That's hilarious.
You come out to these spaces
and you are essentially keeping other white men
in the maze of this homosexual democracy.
There's Roman homosexual democracy.
Yeah, watch the sodomite deception.
Watch the sodomite deception.
From a country like the United States,
that's a Jewish quality.
There's no one on this planet
that has a brain in their head
that would say that I'm advocating for homosexuality.
I'm literally banned on every single platform
for calling for them to be publicly executed
by the government.
They literally said,
I'm keeping white men into this homosexual.
Everything you're saying is nonsense,
and you're irrational and you're just screaming.
That's the guy that said that Hitler's not a Christian.
You can't even prove one thing I said wrong.
You come in here and say,
I said all these lies,
and you can't even prove one thing wrong,
and you make stupid claims
like Adolf Hitler's the greatest Christian ever.
So literally pulling bullshit out of your ass
that Hitler's not a Christian isn't propaganda?
How is that propaganda?
That's not propaganda.
Who agrees with this fact?
Obviously online historical references.
I mean, did you read Mein Kampf?
Did you read Mein Kampf and him say I'm a Christian?
Give me the quote where he says he's a Christian
or anything close to that.
I mean, you're just saying things
that are nonsense right now.
So is there gonna be anybody else
that's gonna push back on this guy or no?
I love pushback,
but you didn't push back on anything.
You just made outrageous claims that are not true.
I can actually back up band a little bit.
If you actually look at the writings,
including the private diaries and private letters
of Speer and Goering and Goebbels,
they all said by later in the war
that Hitler had a negative view of Christianity
and that he was critical of Christianity,
but he had to keep up for appearances,
that he wasn't gonna go publicly kind of against it,
but privately that he was.
Who cares about that at all?
That's the problem with people
who are obsessed with religion and period,
because you're not gonna create an harmonic code
or a natural order just by thinking that your way
is the only way for humanity, right?
And it's all religious thing about you're a Christian
if you're going every single Sunday,
you don't miss a Sunday.
It's the only thing that you stand for.
It sounds a little crazy to me.
I mean, if you're not spiritually attached to God
or have God in you or believe in God, I don't know.
I mean, it doesn't make it any better
going to church at all.
Well, I think to say to somebody,
if you don't go to church every Sunday,
if they're not Christian enough on a Christian,
it's just, it's a little crazy, brother.
Just saying, I think that was a little much there,
but anyways, a lot of other things I wanted to ask,
Colin, Colin, Carl's just pointed something out
about Hitler and him being not a Christian.
A band said that he's not a Christian,
that he doesn't like Christianity
and that he pushed, that he was kind.
What do you say about the satanic stuff
and some satanic rituals and all that?
What kind of stuff did you just talk about?
Yeah, I mean, if you look at just a German ceremony,
they have all of this different pagan idolatry
that's coming from Greek mythology
that's been passed down to the Romans
and you can see all the different,
the birds and all the different graven images
that they have incorporated into their ceremonies.
And what's satanic about that?
I don't know.
Well, graven images is part of the 10 commandments
is something that you're not supposed to do.
You're not supposed to make graven images.
But you're gonna think they cast them.
These guys may act like Catholics.
Yeah, I mean, look, that's gonna be where we separate
and that's fine, you can be that,
but you know, what are you, band, pastor?
He's gonna be like anti-Catholic, anti-Pentecostal,
very like run of the, you know, you're like,
do you know of maybe someone
that we can kind of at least have in common a little bit?
I enjoyed the work of, even though you would hate me,
I'm sure, because I am Catholic,
but Fighting for the Faith with Chris Roseboro.
No, no, no, I know, you know what I mean though.
You know what I mean?
You hate Catholicism, right?
Like Catholicism is paganism or heresy or something, right?
Yeah, I mean, either way.
But I mean, no, I get what you're saying there,
but no, I mean, I'm gonna take a very cautious,
Hitler's religion is difficult to pin down exactly.
I think early in his life, it's extremely easy.
The last couple of years, he gets a little bit iffy, maybe,
but definitely early in his life,
started out Christian, started out Catholic,
had some issues once he encountered the Jewish question,
but I think even later on, here's my position.
I don't think he was lying to his people
when he said in speeches, my Lord and savior
that when he would say things like that,
people are gonna have to take the position
that Hitler was lying to his people.
I don't take that position.
I don't know what your thoughts are on Hitler though.
That would be my thing.
But I mean, I'm pro-Hitler as can be and pro-Hitler.
Yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and say
that I'm an expert on his religion,
but at the same time,
if someone told me Donald Trump's a Christian
because in his speech, he mentioned God,
or Joe Biden's a Christian
because he mentioned in his speech, God,
like I think that that's a little bit of a stretch.
It's a bit of a straw man to just say
that he mentioned in his speech.
It's not just the mentioning of his speech,
but also the, you know, the disposal of Christian values
throughout the entirety of Germany at the time.
And he spoke about it in his speech many times as well.
I would say that Hitler for sure emboldened Christianity
and Catholicism in the country
because you had this Jewish takeover,
which was basically ruining the country.
And I think what people just don't understand
is it doesn't matter what religion you have.
You have to have ideological continuity
to be strong as a nation.
And so if you want a nation to be strong,
you can't be divided ideologically
because you're not gonna have that unity
that's gonna allow you to have your strength.
And so whether it be any religion you pick
or any nation or any country that's strong,
it's gonna be based on having ideological continuity.
When you have a diaspora of views and atheism
and all kinds of stuff,
it's gonna weaken that group of people.
People are strong in numbers,
and what unites them is having common ideas,
common values, common beliefs.
That's why America was great.
That's why America is the nation that it is.
People just don't realize how ideologically,
like the continuity of America was
all the way up until even the 1960s.
America was like 90% white
and pretty much everyone was evangelical.
Pretty much everybody is a Christian.
And they had gotten away from Catholicism by and large.
I mean, you could not even be a Catholic
in the state of Georgia until the 1900s.
And so they weren't allowed to practice.
You had Maryland specifically for the Catholics
to go and Baltimore because the rest of the country
rejected Catholicism.
So when I'm differentiating between Christian and Catholic,
that's not me coming up with stuff, that's just history.
Just fact that there's a distinction
between Christians and Catholics.
And it's not like a surprise when someone says,
hey, Hitler's not a Christian,
even though he had obviously Catholic influence,
Catholic upbringing.
He obviously was very pro those religions
being able to do their thing
because he needed that to have the support of the people.
As far as how much he believed in Catholicism,
no one knows what was in his heart or anything like that.
But yeah, I'm not pro Hitler as a person.
I definitely think that he has his flaws.
I just think that he's been obviously lied about
and demonized and more so because they need him
to be the biggest enemy of World War II.
And I don't believe he was necessarily
the biggest enemy of World War II.
I think he was a pawn of dark forces
and he basically got destroyed
as a result of being the pawn.
What were his flaws exactly?
Well, he's not Christian, he's Catholic.
Additionally, he made a lot of bad decisions.
Let's make a clarification here, okay?
Catholicism is a sect of Christianity, right?
And as a Catholic, I'd argue that it is
what you would argue is true Christianity,
but you're making a differentiation
between Catholicism and Christianity, which isn't true.
You would need to hold the position
that he wasn't a Protestant in some sort of former fashion,
whether or not that's Baptist, evangelical,
or what have you, right?
But Catholics are Christian.
I don't even know, most Protestants
wouldn't even argue that.
I knock on doors every week
and I literally knock on people's doors
and they say, are you a Christian?
And they say, no, I'm Catholic.
So you're gonna have to educate a lot of people
on this subject because-
Well, I don't care what random people
that you knocked on the doors of say about Christianity
and whether or not they-
Out it came, here it comes.
I don't really view your anecdotal experiences
as fact or anything like that.
Actually, not 99, basically everybody understands
that Catholicism is Christianity, right?
There is a differentiation between different
sects of Christianity, but-
But the point doesn't matter.
The label doesn't matter.
The point is that there's people
that obviously don't adhere to the Catholic church.
The Catholic church would think that I'm not a part of them.
The Catholics would not say that I'm Catholic.
But they wouldn't say you're not Christian.
Well, you have to give me some label
and that label's different than Catholic.
So-
But you just said labels don't matter.
I don't understand that.
And then you said that-
Well, he's just not having a conversation.
He's arguing about semantics here
as opposed to the point that's being missed.
It says the guy who argued semantics.
Can I just say as a non-Christian
and as a Muslim, you're confusing me.
So I'm trying to garner some kind of road here to follow.
But is there a difference between Shiite and Sunni Muslims?
What? No, no, no.
Don't try to derail, don't try to deflect.
I'm respecting the actual-
I'm not deflecting.
I wanna-
You are.
Is there a difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslims
or are they all the same?
Well, I could actually turn around
but you've got just as much sectarianism
in your Christian belief, in your Cajun religion
as much as Islam does.
But we're not gonna derail the space.
What I'm asking you is what did Hitler do, in your opinion,
did not make him a Christian?
Well, one second.
Can you just answer that question?
Before we get into his exact,
because the semantics matter, right?
Like to say that the semantics don't matter
whenever we're talking about the definition
of Christianity is kind of a nonstarter.
Like, of course this matters.
We're trying to hammer out definitions here.
And so the semantics do matter, right?
You had just said it yourself there.
You consider Sunni and Shiite to be both Muslim.
That would be the same definition
that basically everyone operates under
when we're considering the different sects of Christianity.
Basically no one argues
that Catholicism isn't Christianity.
But it seems to me that you're making a position that it is.
So that's the definition that I'm trying
to kind of iron out here.
Do you not consider Catholicism Christianity or what?
Sure.
So the word Christian can have two different meanings
in my mind, at least.
One would be just anybody that adheres to anything
that has to do with Christ.
And that's the definition you keep using.
And I'm using Christian as someone that actually believes.
I haven't given you my definition.
So find out the straw man here.
I'm trying to be good faith.
I haven't given you my position or definition yet.
So I wouldn't put words in my mind.
Okay, based on the conversation we've had,
it seems clear that you're just clubbing everybody together
as Christian.
No, no, that's the same definitions
that Muslims do to each other when they want to sit there
and discuss sectarianism and when they want to deflate
and deflect and they want to say, blah, blah, blah.
That's exactly the same way that Muslims do it.
It's amazing how so much, so so much similarities
when people say that only sectarianism exists
in the Islamic religion, but really it's clear
by your definition that sectarianism also
is within the Christian religion.
But the answer to the question, what is it about Hitler
to you that appeared that he was not a Christian?
Yeah, he didn't have faith in Jesus Christ as faith alone.
He obviously adhered to Catholicism
if he adhered to anything.
You can't determine a person's intent.
I'm talking to you about action.
You can never determine a person's intent
that is between the person and God, okay?
So what I'm asking you by actions,
what is it that he did?
Not what you did in the textbook, by actions, by actions.
Yeah, Hitler wasn't a Christian,
but he built the most Christian civilization
that's ever existed in 30,000 churches in 12 years.
Yeah, again, I disagree with lots of actions of Hitler.
Obviously, you know, he shouldn't have invaded
all kinds of different countries and taken over the land.
He didn't, that's another lie.
Well, he did not invade France.
I do want to get into the laws of Hitler.
Hang on, hang on, the guy, the guy, bro, bro, Ben,
let's do one at a time real fast with Ben.
I would like to take Colin,
kind of give him a little bit of some education,
let the guy kind of go, but Ben, really?
You need to understand history before you talk about it,
you don't like that he invaded countries.
You don't understand why he did it.
So I'd like to actually call into it
because he's very good at it.
Just hear him out so you understand where we're coming from.
This is just, this is, brother, let me know, really.
The question wasn't about motive, it was just action.
I was asked in action, he literally invaded those places.
Well, there's, for every action, there's a reason, right?
I'm not saying that his justification isn't-
I would like to get into Hitler's flaws,
but I want to kind of go step by step here.
Hang on, and Colin, real quick,
I just want to thank, I want to thank you, Colin,
for the way that you always kind of conduct yourself
at these back and forth.
I want to thank Wolf for kind of setting the tone
and not allowing this to just become a dog pile.
And I also want to thank Ben Pastor for coming to this
and being willing to take a position that, frankly,
in some of the JQ spaces that we often kind of
find ourselves is one that's contrarian, right?
There's obviously going to be a lot more admiration
for things that were done by the National Socialists
and their moral condemnation by many that are in this room.
But I want to make sure that the same way
that I would kind of critique the FBAs
for jumping up and down and slamming their hands
on the table the moment that I bring up things
about IQ studies and all this other kind of stuff,
if Ben pushes back, let's try to similarly conduct ourselves
at the high level of intellectual and emotional excellence
that I think everyone up here on this panel
is certainly capable of and always demonstrates,
just so that we can keep this super productive
and make it a positive experience for everybody
where nobody's leaving feeling like they're just
getting punched to get punched,
but rather to share information
and make it a productive conversation.
So with that, Colin, I know that you'll certainly do so,
but I just figured I'd set that stage
and also thank Ben for being willing to do this
because a lot of people would probably have just gotten up
and said a couple nasty things
and walked out of the room at this point.
And so I want to compliment him for certainly not doing so.
Yeah, thanks Ian.
And yeah, I always want to keep it high, bro.
That's the priority here.
Yeah, and that's why I said, Colin, please.
And that's just not like, there's probably stuff coming.
It just seems like Ben needs just,
we can have open dialogue, but let's not attack him.
I mean, yeah, 100%.
Yeah, so before we get into Hitler and his flaws,
because I do want to know your position on that, right?
I still want to hammer out the definitions here
of what you consider Catholicism to be exactly
and whether or not, of course,
we consider Hitler to be Christian or not
would be the next question.
And then his flaws and what he did wrong
would be the part after that, right?
So, I mean, your position here seems to be,
because right, like I would agree with you
on your definition of Christianity, right?
This is people that follow the teachings of Jesus, okay?
This is the, would I think be the, you know,
the majority's opinion of what Christianity is, okay?
And then within each sect of Christianity,
whether or not we're talking
about the various Protestant sects,
we're talking about Catholicism or orthodoxy,
these would be the different interpretations
of what Jesus Christ taught, right?
So, I mean, that would be my definition
of what Christianity is.
I don't know if you differ here
or whether or not you then consider Catholicism
to be something that isn't,
that doesn't fit that definition.
I wanna hammer out these definitions first
before we kind of go any further.
Otherwise, we're just kind of gonna be arguing
past each other.
No, again, I think I use the word Christian
in multiple ways, and I do use the word Christian at times,
the way you just defined it, and I agree.
It's that sometimes when I'm using the word Christian,
I'm referring to, in my mind,
those who are the true followers of Christ,
the, quote, true Christians.
So, you know, again,
obviously I'm not saying you agree with that.
Someone who's Catholic would argue with me
and say they're the true Christians, right?
So, I'm just kind of throwing out that.
I was more trying to say maybe evangelical,
or as some people would call Protestant,
as differentiating from Catholicism,
saying that Hitler's not really an evangelical
or a Protestant, he was of the Protestant sect.
So, hopefully that brings clarity
to what I did try to communicate and my definitions.
Okay, so this is where I would sort of,
I mean, we can disagree on whether or not
what we consider to be true Christianity,
but, you know, obviously Catholics would disagree
with your position that, you know,
evangelicals are true Christianity,
but then in that definition alone of true Christianity,
that sort of is a, you know, a sub-definition of its own,
which kind of points to the fact
that Christianity definitionally is just following,
again, the teachings of Jesus,
and then within there we will decide
what those interpretations of those teachings are,
and then that would determine
what sect you denote as, right?
So, whether or not you consider Catholicism
true Christianity or not, right?
That's not really the definition
that I'm operating under here,
or what I think that the definition
of Christianity is in general.
Of course, you would think that, you know,
Catholicism isn't true Christianity,
and most Catholics would argue that, you know,
Protestantism isn't true Christianity,
but no one would argue that either of those sects
aren't Christianity in general, right?
Again, it just depends on what context
we're using that term, because I agree,
Christian can be anybody within Greek,
Orthodox, Roman Catholic,
or some variation of Protestant evangelical.
Okay, great, okay, so then we agree then
on the definition of Christian in general.
So, whenever we're, you know, having this conversation,
what would be best then,
because I would refer to Catholicism in specific,
and I would then prefer to evangelicalism in specific,
and then I would refer to Orthodoxy specifically as well,
whenever we're discussing each of these sects.
I would never say, for example, you know,
I'm a Christian and people who are Protestant
aren't Christian, I would refer to, you know,
whatever Protestant sect we're actually discussing here.
I wouldn't say that it's not Christianity,
but either way, now that we've got the definitions
hammered right here, so what exactly,
what flaws did Hitler have?
I mean, again, Hitler, obviously,
if you just go from a sin perspective,
he obviously committed fornication,
he committed all kinds of other sins
that are mentioned in the Bible,
so if you just say, like, an individual,
he was not an upstanding character that just had one wife
and raised a godly family and just went to church.
Obviously, he's someone that has
all kinds of character flaws.
Additionally, I disagree with his religious sect,
if you want to get nitpicky about which form
of Christianity he was adhering to.
There's a lot of graven imagery and idolatry
in the Nazi party, specifically when it comes
to his actions as a leader.
I think that he made a lot of flaws, too,
but that doesn't mean that I think he's the person
that the media is portraying him as.
It doesn't mean that I think everything he did was wrong,
because at the end of the day, he, in many cases,
was trying to liberate himself
from a very oppressive government system
and a lot of evils that were in his society,
so I think that people kind of get mixed up on
thinking, like, everything, if someone's not pro-Hitler,
they just believe everything that someone has said
about him online or something like that or every textbook.
Obviously, Germany has created some of the best
auto manufacturing, chocolate, science,
all kinds of different advancements happened
under his leadership.
They had the 1936 Olympics.
Obviously, the Germans were very smart, very articulate.
He recovered them from economic disaster,
so you could look at a lot of those things and say,
okay, maybe we could learn some stuff from this.
Maybe we could learn from some of these things,
but again, yeah, I personally disagree with the need
to destroy France and the UK
and all these different things.
If you think those were justified,
then I think he made a lot of flaws there, too.
He should have destroyed Britain
before he went and attacked Russia.
Additionally, obviously, he should have withdrawn troops
from the front lines of Russia after he invaded
and not allowed many of them to die from frostbite
and hypothermia and to make sure that the supply lines
were well taken care of.
You could argue that maybe declaring war
on the United States was a bad move
because of the fact that we got involved
and we helped to destroy the German party.
So I think when we talk about flaws,
there's not a person on this earth that doesn't have flaws.
The Bible says, for all sin it comes
short of the glory of God.
No one's perfect.
Hitler is certainly not perfect.
I do think that there was dark forces behind the scenes
that are probably worse than Hitler was,
and of course, I believe that in some ways,
he might have been fighting our common foe,
but at the end of the day,
Hitler was a force of evil, in my opinion.
I believe he adhered to Darwinism and evolution,
and he had very satanic ideology when it comes to humanity.
So I strongly disagree with Hitler in a lot of ways,
but I can also understand that he had some positives.
That's my personal opinion on the topic.
Obviously, many people are gonna disagree with that.
So when it comes to his adherence
to Protestant definitions of Christianity
and whether or not that would be a character flaw or not
would be something that's altogether subjective
and not something that people that aren't Protestant
would agree with, right?
So I don't know if...
Does the Catholic Church teach it's okay
to have marital relations with someone
they're not married to?
Well, it's not really a...
Again, the same problem would arise with that, right?
So if we're gonna say that it's a character flaw
for him to not adhere to Catholicism's definition
of a character flaw as well
would be altogether subjective, right?
So then in that, I don't think you would find...
How is it subjective?
I just asked, does the Catholic Church teach
that it's okay to sleep with someone
that you're not married to?
Well, it would be subjective to the definition
of whether or not you consider not following Christianity
to be a character flaw.
I just asked, does the Catholic Church teach
it's wrong to sleep with someone
that you're not married to?
Yeah, again, you're completely overlooking
the point that I'm making here.
We're talking about Hitler's flaw and Hitler's...
But Colin, hang on.
Just, and I'm not trying to play good cop, bad cop
or anything along those lines,
but he's just asking a pretty direct question, right?
And I think it's reasonable to give a direct answer.
And then we can also, we can suggest
how it might not be relevant
for the larger point you're trying to make.
But I think we can all agree that yes.
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
I mean, yes, of course.
Clearly prohibited, yeah, absolutely.
Okay, cool.
And Hitler did that, so that's a flaw.
I mean, some people are trying to tell me he had no flaws.
Like, what does that even mean?
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It would be a flaw to a Catholic
or it would be a flaw to a Protestant,
but Muslims wouldn't find...
But isn't that the context of saying
he's not a good Christian or Catholic if he's doing that?
Well, I didn't make the argument
that he's not a good Catholic or Christian.
I'm asking about whether or not he's a good person
and his character flaws in general, right?
Not an adherence to the definition of any Christian sect,
Muslim sect, or any particular religious sect.
We're just talking about his net characteristics
and whether or not he was a good or bad person, right?
Whether or not he followed and adhered
to Christian moral, Christian ethics
isn't really the question at hand.
It was whether or not,
what were his character flaws as a person, right?
And so I can't really be subjective.
But what do I judge that based on
if I can't use Christianity?
How do I determine if someone's good or bad
if I can't use the Bible?
Well, you could use, I mean, Muslims would argue
you could use the Quran.
A lot of secular people would argue
you can use moral, or you could use, you know.
I could use another religious text,
but how could I judge someone's character
without a religious text?
Well, we would be looking at the net positives
versus net negatives of the person, right?
Based on what?
So whenever we look at whether or not,
well, even if we looked at it based on Christian ethics,
right, you could argue yes,
like he did practice adultery, right?
So if he goes ahead and he does that,
like that doesn't adhere to Christian ethics,
but then there were plenty of other things
that he did do that did adhere to Christian ethics.
And then plenty of people would make the argument
that he did more in adherence to Christian ethics
than he did not adhere to Christian ethics, right?
And so then if you were to damn all of the good things
that he did simply because he didn't follow
one piece of Christian ethics,
I don't think people would then make the argument
that that makes him a bad person as you did, right?
No, no, but actually, and look,
maybe this is a good place to come in and suggest
that there's a lot of gray area
between the black and white idea that somebody is perfect
and that they are the embodiment of evil.
And I think what's been interesting about this
is that we've seen that perhaps we all know
the mainstream media's portrayal
and essentially all of society's portrayal
that Adolf Hitler was the Wolfenstein villain, right?
He came back as, I think it was like super mecha Hitler
by the end of the video game, right?
That anybody that grew up in the era
of the origins of, what did you call it?
The first person shooter.
They'd be very familiar with that game, right?
He's been personified as the ultimate evil of everything.
We've got literal movies about Nazi zombies, right?
And obviously that is a misrepresentation
when you start really looking into the history.
The National Socialists were not just, you know,
satanic devil worshipers trying to bring the world
to its knees in an inferno, right?
It also doesn't necessarily have to mean
that the inverse is the absolute truth
and that the guy never did anything wrong,
did never make any mistakes,
or that the National Socialists didn't have some things
that they could have done differently,
done better, done whatever.
And like I'm saying, you know, between good,
like purely good, let's say Jesus Christ,
and purely evil, let's say Satan, there's a massive chasm.
And I think what we could probably agree to disagree on
is maybe where on that spectrum that one man
or the National Socialists would fall.
But the good news is that we're all well, let's say right,
if truth is right and the lies are on the left,
we're well right of the Overton window
that is the normal understanding,
which has obviously been completely perverted
by the machine.
And so, you know, how purely good or mostly good
or more good than bad, you know, Hitler may have been,
you guys could probably run around in circles forever,
but to just make sure that we don't go, you know,
too far down a pathway that obviously
is never going to have you guys completely
in agreement with each other.
Maybe we can agree that, you know, that, like I said,
we're both well right, or everybody's well right
of that Overton window of normalcy,
but just how do we define, you know, ultimate good
and ultimate evil and all that stuff.
So maybe what we could do is just give 60 seconds
to both Colin and then 60 seconds to ban
to kind of give their kind of, not final thoughts,
but their thoughts on this subject,
and then we can also go to some additional hands
so that we just don't run around in circles forever.
Right, yeah, so sort of the argument here would be
is that Hitler's personal choices within his life,
such as his like sexual relationship with Eva Braun,
and like, I mean, people, plenty of people
have made arguments that they didn't even
have a sexual relationship, right?
So what I would judge is the information
that we do have a guaranteed sort of evidential,
that we have evidence for, right?
And such as him fixing the economy,
his, the good things, good deeds that he did
for Germany as a nation, the defense of his people,
the disposal of Christian ethics across the nation,
all of these various things that I think
everyone would agree, even Christians,
using a, you know, Christian ethics would agree
that are in line with such, right?
So what I would argue is that from a net negative
to net positive, whether or not Hitler was a good person,
like if we were to sort of gauge it on a percentage
of Hitler was 60, 70, 80% good,
I would argue that it's certainly well over the 50%,
and if it fell below the 50%, then obviously
we would go ahead and make the argument
that Hitler wasn't a good person.
But given all of the things that he did good
for his people, the things that he did good
for the identity of Germany as a nation,
and also the things that even how he acted during war,
right, so you know, you had mentioned that he destroyed
or attempted to destroy France and Britain.
Well, I mean, he sent over 30 peace treaties
to the allies during the war.
Everything that he did in terms of invading
the various countries that he invaded
were in the defense of his people,
such as his invasion into Germany
due to the holocausting of the German people
in Leipzig and the Rhineland.
So, you know, I would argue that as a,
you know, if we're looking at this as net good
or net positive, I mean, as Ian said,
I don't think that we're ever gonna find common ground.
I don't think anyone could ever find common ground
other than probably through Jesus,
the, you know, a pure good, right?
But as far as whether or not Hitler was a good person mostly
I would certainly make that argument
given the evidence of the things
that we actually had seen him do during his life.
Yeah, I just want to refresh the audience
of where we even came from.
I, someone was talking about just Jews as a whole
and I brought up the concept that I think
there's been some Jews that were the casualties of war
in World War II and someone said,
well, I don't think that Hitler did any evil
and then it kind of spiraled into this kind of rabbit trail
that is meaningless of trying to decide
exactly how bad or good Hitler is
because it's kind of meaningless.
But I do think that he was overall net negative and bad.
I do think there was good things about some of what he did
to help the German people.
But at the end of the day, like I do think he was bad.
And I can understand when you play the game risk,
if you're in Europe, you gotta attack somebody
or you're gonna be attacked.
So it's kind of like survival of the fittest in some sense.
So yeah, I understand that when you're surrounded
by UK and Russia and they're making treaties
and there's all this animosity,
like Hitler could feel like he's backed into a corner
and forced to basically fight for his own survival
who they just went through World War I.
Obviously, I understand all these things that are happening.
It doesn't mean that I have to agree with them or say,
hey, if I don't agree with what Hitler did,
that means I agree with what the UK did
or what the Britons are doing or the Russians are doing.
I can disagree with both sides.
So at the end of the day,
I don't think Hitler was a net positive.
I do think there was some Jews that were the casualty of war
and I think that God loves all people.
So to me, I don't wanna sit here and just demonize all Jews
and I don't wanna demonize all Nazis
and I don't wanna demonize any huge group of people.
There's always gonna be the evil forces on both sides
of some of these conflicts
and there's gonna be the good people on both sides.
And so, I think to me, being a Christian,
I want you to be saved.
The argument that he invaded these countries
because he felt backed into a corner isn't,
that's just not what happened, right?
Historically, that's not what happened.
He invaded these countries
because they were annexed territories
where ethnic German people were being slaughtered and raped.
And so after asking with peace treaties multiple times
to end that peacefully and amicably,
he ended up going to war
to end up defending his people, right?
So this position that he invaded these countries
because he was backed into a corner
isn't really what happened.
And then I also would like,
I mean, you can say that you feel
as though he was in that negative
but I haven't heard why you think he's in that negative,
right?
Like, I still don't understand your position
as to why he was in that negative, right?
You brought up his personal relationships
which we have a very lacking evidence for
but other than that, I haven't heard-
So Ed Brown wasn't his girlfriend?
I mean, I don't know what version of history you're doing.
This guy is so subversive, it's unbelievable.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, she was his girlfriend.
He didn't walk on water.
He was mentally sick, he blew fuck out.
Okay, okay fellas, okay fellas.
Even if I grant you, all right,
even if I were to grant you this position
that he did have out of wedlock social relations
with Eva Brown.
One second, Joe Bob, please.
If even if I grant you that, right,
this still doesn't make him evil, right?
And then you haven't given any other positions
other than that, that you would consider him as such,
even through a Christian ethics worldview, right?
You know, he wasn't backed into a corner
and then just lashed out against the rest of Europe.
That's not why he invaded the countries
that he invaded, right?
And I haven't heard anything else from you
that would elicit a position that he was evil.
Again, there's a mass world war where lots of people die.
I mean, I think that that's evil.
Because of the American empire?
So Genesis 12, three, God makes a promise,
a covenant with Abraham and says,
not only will I bless the nations of the world
through your descendants, but anyone who curses you,
I will curse, and anyone who blesses you, I will bless.
Now, are there some Jews in the world even today
that have done evil?
Yes, of course, there's evil in every nation.
But the book of Ezekiel chapter 38 is very clear.
There will come a day when the enemies of Israel,
in a day when no one stands with Israel, not even America,
says no nation will stand with Israel,
there will come a day when the enemies of Israel
will think in their hearts,
the Jews think they are the center of the world
and they will attack Israel
and God will make himself known.
So to discuss a net positive or net negative of Hitler,
the fact that six million Jews who,
no matter what version of Christianity you're adhering to,
are God's chosen people, and yes,
after Jesus died on the cross,
they're all God's chosen people.
I talk whenever I want to,
because I have my hands up,
we gotta listen to you talk about this.
That was definitely not true, whatever it was just saying.
Okay, okay, hang on one second, one second, Ben.
First of all, everybody in here, don't over talk anyone,
okay, so whoever was just speaking,
let them finish, Ben, continue, go with hands.
And we are gonna go to hands here in a second.
I know there's a lot of people
who have a lot of things to say,
but just, you know, let's keep it to like maybe,
I don't know, what do you wanna do,
how much time do we have?
I got another 15 minutes,
obviously y'all can keep the conversation.
You got another 15 minutes, there you go.
Yeah, I wanted to also to notify everybody of that,
and it's not like, I just wanna be very clear,
it's not like Ben is now just saying,
oh, I gotta go, he made his time limitations
crystal clear quite a while back.
And so I just, I wanna be very clear on that front.
And also it might be a good opportunity,
because perhaps what we could do
is use the next 15 minutes to really, you know,
focus on the religiosity that we were speaking about
a little bit before.
We could of course incorporate World War II
if people want to,
but knowing that we're then gonna be winding this down,
I see a lot of familiar faces up here
that are very JQ centric.
And so maybe Wolf, we could use that as an opportunity
to lift and shift the conversation from here into JQ Radio
if people really wanna go into the intricacies
of the Hitler aspect, which, I mean, frankly,
I don't think Band would refute for a moment
that he is less familiar with some of those intricacies
than somebody like Spacecat or Kost
or some of the others that I see in here
that obviously have really done a lot
of the detailed homework on that specifically.
For what it's worth as well, Band,
I think we're gonna find common ground
on the disagreement in the definition there
that a creative producer just brought up about the Jews
and whether or not they have claim
to being the people of Israel as well.
I think that we're probably in agreement there,
just judging from that little quip you had made
after you had finished speaking.
Yeah, I mean, everything that guy said was false.
Genesis 12 is not about the Jews.
It's about Jesus Christ, and so if you're not a Christian,
if you're not saved,
then you're not God's chosen people whatsoever.
Six million is a stupid number
that was invented prior to World War II.
So everything this guy's saying is false,
and it actually just hurts Jews
by just repeating all these stupid claims
that aren't even legitimate whatsoever.
But at the end of the day, when it comes to religion,
you're gonna piss people off.
People are very, very opinionated on this topic,
and of course, that's why strength comes
with ideological continuity.
I have my beliefs.
I think that that's the truth.
Therefore, that's why I promote those ideologies.
I'm not a pro-Hitler person,
but that doesn't mean I have to necessarily believe
all the propaganda that was used to demonize him
and change who he was.
A criminal defense attorney,
his goal is for his client to get what's just,
so he doesn't want his client to get an unjust punishment.
If he did a crime and he's guilty of one year in prison,
he doesn't wanna get the death penalty for his client
because that would be bad.
Or if someone was innocent,
he doesn't want them to be charged with a criminal crime
that he's not guilty of.
I think that Hitler's probably had a lot of baggage
with some of the things he did,
but I personally do disagree
with a lot of his decision-making,
his ideological beliefs and viewpoints.
He demonized people based on evolutionary principles.
I strongly disagree with the Darwinism.
That was brought in by Jews, so he was influenced by Jews.
I think you have Jews infiltrating the Nazi party
and ruining them too, so it's a huge topic.
Obviously, some people are gonna watch
Europa, The Last Battle
and believe every single word from that film,
and it seems like that's a lot of the audience in this group
but I don't think that just because I disagree
with that documentary means I'm uneducated on the topic.
Someone can understand what Hitler did, read his books,
and still not like him and disagree with him,
but some people are just gonna be the biggest fanboy.
So I think there's a huge gap
between being knowledgeable on the topic
and actually agreeing with the topic.
Ian, if I could jump in real quick, please.
And make sure the tip is good.
I'm good to go ahead and go to Hans here.
I think me and Band could probably go on forever here
on this back and forth, so in the interest of his time
and everything, the Hans would be as,
I think we found a little commonality
in everything there as well.
Exactly, exactly, and let's try not to beat a horse
that's dead and buried at this point,
but what I would say is just to further on
and kind of lift up individuals like Space Cat.
I just wanted to call out, it's not as if he just watched
Europa and came away and said,
I'm now the biggest fan of Hitler.
I mean, the guy's read and personally owns copies
of literature that's, at this point, about 100 years old.
He's dug into it in the original language, et cetera.
His knowledge around that stuff is,
as far as people like Zach Logos is concerned,
is near unparalleled, and I know Zach knows a lot of people
that know a lot of stuff about that,
so just want to give him kudos.
But yeah, with that, let's go to Koss,
and again, let's just try to keep the temperature,
you know, room temperature here.
No reason for people to get heated,
and let's try to use these as opportunities
for kind of quicker Q and A,
rather than going down huge tangents.
Cool, thank you.
Yeah, I'm not gonna address this individual.
I mean, I've been around people like this
for a very long time, and it's just not worth the effort.
You're not gonna make any kind of intellectual gains
with people like this, especially if they come
from the whole King James only point of view.
That's a little bit too low-brow for me,
so I will address the room.
You know, he said they introduced this socialism,
that socialism, you know, national socialism,
in my estimation, was a superior economic and social system
than America's ever had, but here are some facts.
The Roman Republic, which was a democracy,
killed our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
It wasn't national socialism.
The Romans also persecuted Christians,
just like the United States does.
They practiced boyfucking in Rome,
just like America does now.
So, you know, people try to draw these parallels
between the United States and the Weimar,
but the Weimar drew its corruption from Rome.
So, factually, democracy is more incompatible
with Christians and Christianity than national socialism is.
And in America, especially considering that,
if we're gonna talk about moral, you know,
we're gonna talk about what Germany may or may not have done
that was moral or immoral, we're gonna make those kinds
of moral judgments on Germany,
let's consider just a few things, you know,
about Hitler did this and Hitler did that,
compared to what American president?
If we're talking about the American president
that was sitting at the time of World War II,
who didn't actually live to see it, that would be FDR.
Are we talking about that homosexual,
that closet homosexual, the Mongoloid wife
that had an entire Jewish administration?
Is that the guy that we're gonna compare Hitler to?
What about if Germany did all these terrible things,
did Germany support the Soviet Union in the war,
or was that the United States?
And that karma has come back to fuck America,
it completely out of existence,
because now it's completely consumed by Marxism.
So if that's not the hand of God judging the United States
for what it did in World War II, I don't know what is.
So if you're gonna be an Anglo-American
and you wanna pass judgment on what Hitler
or the Germans did, you don't have a position,
you have no moral position,
when it comes to the history of this country,
especially when you're living in a country
that now has made homosexuality the state religion.
That never happened in National Socialist Germany.
So was Hitler an imperfect man?
Yes, all people are imperfect.
So where was the criticism for American leadership
or even Patton when it comes to
essentially hurling moral insults at Hitler or his SS?
Now, to everybody in the room,
we just had an excellent space.
Now I would say it was the NSECE's greatest space to date.
The feedback on it was excellent.
I posted it up in the Jumbotron,
proving factually and irrefutably
that every single word that came out
of this bullshit artist's mouth is factually incorrect.
And you can click on it and I encourage everybody
to listen to that whole space on positive Christianity,
whether or not this man was into Satanism,
whether Hitler was part of the cult
and all this other stuff
that your typical skull-filled Christian,
which this guy apparently is,
I mean, he's already proven that he's a skull,
he's a skull-filled type of a Christian,
slander National Socialism with.
So please, if you can, after this space,
and this was a great space,
thank you, Ian, and thank you, JQ Rado.
I did not mean to come in here and cool the space
or nuke the space or ship the space,
but once you guys are done, please listen to that space
so you can hear for yourself
that every word that came out of this bullshit artist's mouth
was factually incorrect.
Thank you.
Wow, that was really educational.
It's pretty interesting that National Socialism
has never produced the country that America was,
and additionally, if you're gonna say
that America is judged by God,
how is Germany not judged by God
when America destroyed the Germans?
Hey, now God is shitting all over your country, Anglo.
Yeah, but it's not because of the Bible,
it's because we're allowing Jews to destroy it.
You think that homosexuals are out in America
when the Bible will- No, no, that's not me
because you destroyed your German brother
to protect him up his feet. Yeah, I let you
just say all your nonsense.
Why can't you just let me respond?
Okay, KK, you push her, we got it.
We understand where you're coming from.
Okay, Anglo, we got it.
So now I'm bad because I'm white?
I mean, that's, you know, or European descent?
I mean, that's kind of a, that's pretty funny.
I guess, Mark, you do like Hitler
because you devolve into Darwinism.
We all know, we know Anglo-Supremacist when we hear it.
Thank you very much.
It's a low blow, it's a low blow.
Let's just keep pushing, Koss.
I feel you, brother.
Can we move on?
I've had my hand up for a minute.
I don't know if it's my turn, but I'd love to go.
I'll shut up because I know it's probably not my turn.
It's funny to like Hitler and not like white people.
That's funny.
I don't think you're grasping what he's saying, but.
Of course not, because he's a Southern hick.
He pushes the KJV version of the Bible.
Give me a fucking break.
What's an Anglo then?
Thank you, bro, lay off the Southern hicks, Koss.
No, but I feel you, brother.
All right, who's up next?
Sorry, guys, I didn't mean to cut in.
Well, let's maybe bring down the shoulders here.
Just give everybody a deep breath.
Maybe go to Mancos, who's always very calm and composed
and maybe can take it in directions
a little bit less inflammatory.
Yeah, I have a couple brief questions.
One will just be, so you're trying to kind of get America
back on a track where we can have prosperity again.
Culturally, what does that look like?
How do you think we have to change society
and how do we use the church and religion to do that?
So I wanted to ask you that first.
Well, I don't think that the church
should be directly involved.
I mean, obviously, it was bad in Europe
when you had the church and the government intertwined
one with another, but I do think you have to have people
that are sincere, genuine Christians
to adhere Christian principles
where they're not going to be dishonest.
I mean, when Moses was asked about leadership,
he was trying to find people that hate covetousness
and were men of justice, and so we need politicians
that do not have legalized lobbying
and they can just basically rip off the American government
and our citizens through immoral practices.
So obviously, if we're gonna fix our economy,
we have to have the government stop printing money,
stop sending money to foreign countries,
stop doing all kinds of just insane, just overspending
and just buddy-buddy lobbying type efforts.
Obviously, taxes should exist to some degree.
I agree with public roads and safety,
but less government would obviously be a major need
for our economy and for our country
if we wanna have some level of prosperity,
but the Bible says that God's the one
that gives us the money and wealth.
Yeah, for example, with your religious,
your church and all that, do you allow LGBT people?
No, they're not allowed to come to our church ever.
They protest outside.
Okay, and then when it comes to Christians in America,
do you believe that they should,
because you were saying something about this earlier
a little bit, but I think you got cut off,
do you think that Christians should support
the state of Israel and for the Jews
to have a homeland and all that?
I mean, obviously, at this point,
we're kind of stuck in a situation
where we have a lot of people over in the Middle East.
So I don't think that we need to just pick up
a whole group of people and move them somewhere else again
or something like that.
I think that America just needs to detach itself
from Israel completely and just say,
you're on your own, have fun.
I mean, I think, I do think that that's probably still
a dangerous thing because I think without America
backing Israel from a military perspective
that you could see just a mass genocide
on the other side of the equation,
and Islam is not a good thing either.
I do think if America was just basically saying,
hey, we're not gonna support any military action,
we're gonna trade with all,
and we're not gonna entangle ourself in wars,
we're not gonna give you money,
I think that makes sense.
Trump bringing in tariffs makes sense
only if he gives us the tax benefit break.
If there's no tax breaks as a result of tariffs,
it's gonna increase inflation
and it's gonna basically hurt our economy further.
But the tariffs is a fine system
if you reciprocate that with a very low tax
or just getting rid of taxes for American citizens.
So I think that kind of answers your question
about economic issues.
Yeah, and the last thing,
and then we can move to the next person is,
so if Israel did, we cut all ties to Israel
and it turns out that Israel ends up losing a war
or something, and now all the Jews in Israel want to leave
and, for example, come to the United States.
Would you be supportive of that or would you say no?
My view in immigration, it doesn't depend on circumstance.
I think that immigration should be limited greatly
and that it's basically for people
that have ideological continuity.
So if people don't wanna adhere to the Constitution
and our laws and if we were a Christian nation,
if they don't wanna adhere to that,
I don't even think they should be welcomed at all.
But I'm not saying that everyone does should be welcomed.
I think that there's gonna be some cases for refugees.
I think there's some case for asylum.
I think there's some case for importing people
from other nations to some degree.
I mean, America was built on immigration in some ways,
but that immigration was limited
to ideological continuity again.
They weren't allowing Islam to be imported.
They weren't allowing Hinduism to be imported.
They weren't allowing Catholicism, by and large,
to be imported and things like that.
And so you have to understand America was great
because of ideological continuity.
Immigration's not a huge problem
if people have a place to go or have a job.
If you don't have a place to go and you don't have a job,
it's a train wreck and it just makes no sense whatsoever.
So I think that that's okay if you're bringing some people in
based on those circumstances.
But no, I don't think you should have
an open border policy.
I would not wanna bring in Judaism at all.
That would be the last religion
I would wanna bring into America.
So I definitely would empathize for someone
that's caught in a bad situation,
but no, I'm not gonna just,
it would be like if I saw a bunch of gangsters
outside my house and they got their car stolen.
I'm not gonna say like, hey, why don't you come
inside my house and hang out with my daughter
because you got your car stolen.
It's like, no, you're still not welcome into my house.
Like, I don't want anything to do with you,
even though maybe you got your car stolen or whatever.
So there's definitely,
America should not be just this open door.
Let's just bring every victim in.
We need to think about who it is that we're bringing in
and protect ourselves from dangerous criminals.
Thank you.
Yeah, and as always, make us really,
really well-asked questions.
Let's, in the interest of time,
just because I know we're kind of running out.
I think I can do like one more if it's kind of short.
Yeah, let's go to the goy father
and see if he's got one.
And if not locked and loaded, then we can go to Liberty.
Yeah, yeah, I've got something.
Took a little notes.
The brother said he wants a small tax
for funding for roads, et cetera, smaller government,
no lobbying, Christian moral foundation, no fags,
and no important subversive ideologies.
Now, out of everything I've just listed,
what you've just stated, speaking to the last speaker,
which one of these goes against
what national socialism taught?
I'm not gonna say that I'm an expert
on every single aspect of national socialism,
but at the end of the day,
I believe in capitalism in general, just that principle.
And so, I'm not a collectivist.
I have got a degree in economics.
I have studied an MBA for economics.
I definitely know what the Bible says well on this topic,
and the Bible's capitalistic.
You know, national socialism,
I think that there's just flaws
in just collective ideas as a principle.
If we could talk about a specific topic,
I could maybe, you know,
as far as just one particular education or whatever,
I think that education in national socialism is dangerous,
because when you have all of education
kind of collectivized,
then you can do what Hitler said in Mein Kampf
and basically say like, hey,
the whole goal of this is to propagandize the youth
and use them as a military machine.
You have to just admit he said that,
and I think that parents should have a little bit more say
over their children's education.
And so, capitalism gives you more choices, more freedom.
Socialism is more easily corrupted,
more easily taken over by nefarious forces.
So, you know, by and large, that's why I'm mostly rejected.
Can you stop there a second?
So, you're claiming, right,
capitalism is less corruptible than national socialism.
They're all corruptible.
The national socialism is authoritarian,
and your idea of finance capitalism,
anyone can do what the fuck they want
if they have enough money.
What are you talking about?
Well, obviously, if you understand even
how America's set up,
no one can just do whatever they want.
There's laws, number one.
Number two, the Fed actually regulates monopolies,
they don't do it anymore,
but it used to be that you couldn't hold monopolies,
you couldn't just own any kind of business,
any kind of interest.
You would be broken up.
So, even biblically speaking,
you would not have this because you have a year of Jubilee,
which kind of has a reset button.
So, capitalism left to itself will end up
with one person with all the money and all the land.
So, capitalism by itself isn't necessarily the right answer,
but you still need some limits and some regulation.
That's why the Bible had the year of Jubilee,
that's why you have control by the Fed
and you have some government restraint
from some anti-fair practice, you know, things,
because you're right.
Obviously, if you play the game Monopoly,
eventually someone gets everything, right?
And so, capitalism unrestrained is bad too,
but if I have to pick an economic system,
yeah, I agree with capitalism with limits
and with regulation, but again, it's people.
People are always gonna do bad.
People can always be corrupted, whether it be a monarch,
whether it be national socialism, whether it be communism,
whether it be obviously capitalism.
There's always gonna be flaws.
Nothing's absolutely perfect.
It takes people that actually love truth and honesty
and are gonna adhere to those things
for any governmental system to work.
So, you've just promoted subjective truth,
which breeds liberalism and homosexuality.
Subjective truth, when did I say subjective truth?
The King James Bible's objective truth.
Yeah, you believe it's the word of God like a Jehovah's.
But anyway, so, pastor, last thing, and then I'll move on.
You said you can only have one more,
so I didn't wanna be up all the time.
I don't think you understand the difference
between finance capitalism and just capitalism.
National socialism doesn't reject
individualist capitalism as a whole.
It doesn't reject it.
It just makes it so it can become the way America is today
with 0.2% of the population being 50% of the billionaires.
There's a big difference
between finance capitalism and regular capitalism,
and you don't understand the difference whatsoever.
Also, the Bible doesn't preach finance capitalism.
It says to lend and not expect more in return.
So it doesn't preach this idea that you want to preach.
Now, yes, there's a Jubilee, et cetera, sure.
We can have votes.
No one was against having votes, right?
No one's saying one person has to rule until they die.
No one believes that, all right?
We don't believe that.
So you don't understand national socialism.
I have to break it to you.
I think that you're mislabeling some things there
and just objectively say I don't know something
is kind of silly.
But again, there is obviously gonna be blending
between any of these economic labels.
You can't just sit here and just say,
this is national socialism.
Tell me what country is exactly that.
I mean, economic theory,
if you actually go to college
and you actually get a master's degree in economics,
you'll realize that there's literally
never an ideal situation economically.
There's always gonna be ebbs and flows,
experiences in systems.
So you trying to just say like,
oh, well, there's some forms of capitalism
in a nationalistic society.
I mean, of course, there's gonna be overlap
because these are just labels used to generally
talk about systems that exist like education
or the privatization of healthcare
or when we talk about economics.
I brought up education specifically.
You said I don't understand finance capitalism
versus capitalism.
It's like we're talking about education
versus monetary policy.
I'm not gonna say I'm an expert on anything,
but to just say that I don't know what I'm talking about
and mislabel things is silly.
You're misquoting that particular Bible verse about lend.
You know, the Bible does talk about taking collateral.
The Bible does talk about lending to foreign nations,
even on usury.
So you can't just take a personal instruction
and then implement that for a governmental policy
because the Bible has rules for individuals,
for the country and for the nation as a whole.
And I don't think that you probably understand
necessarily the difference there
if you're gonna say those individualistic commands
are what was brought to the country as a whole.
But again, it's not about-
Does the Bible teach lending with usury to a brother?
The Bible does say that you can lend
on usury to a stranger.
So- To a brother, to a brother.
Yeah, I agree.
I personally should not make any loans.
So the answer's no, right?
To a brother, right?
Yes.
And that idea of brothership
would be spiritual and ethnic.
Nationally.
The spiritual removes the ethnic.
Therefore, if you are trading with foreign nations,
yes, having bartering systems is perfectly fine.
But within your nation,
if it's a Christian nation and a homogenous nation,
guess what?
There is no idea of usury, smart guy,
if they are your brothers.
I'm 100% against usury.
So I don't even know.
Maybe you're just mislabeling something I said,
but I think that usury should be illegal.
We should ban all interest within our own nation.
That does not, capitalism does not determine
whether or not you have the practice of usury or not.
So again, I would love to talk about this more.
I'm sure I could learn things from, you know,
you on national socialism,
but I strongly disagree with it.
Ben Caster, do you have to leave?
Are you about to go?
Yeah, I wish we would start,
we were gonna start the space at like two,
and so I would have had a little bit more time,
but I do have to go,
and I appreciate the audience pushing back.
Well, dude, I appreciate you talking about that.
That's on me, not on band, by the way.
My bad, I did not mean to cut you off.
Well, I was gonna ask you real quick,
what do you hold at a higher value,
like preservation of, you know,
money or religion or race or what?
How do you see that?
Yeah, religion for sure.
You ban, pastor.
Yeah, religion, the King James Bible
is the thing that's important.
Money comes and goes,
but the truth is the thing that matters.
I think the King James Bible is objective truth.
I think that's why America was great.
I think if we wanna have a prosperous nation
and a prosperous state and a prosperous family,
it's gonna be built on the Bible again,
and so, you know, I think that any idea we have as man,
whether it be capitalism, national socialism,
any of these ideas,
we can always be testing them on the Bible,
and if there's something wrong with our ideas
from what the Bible says,
then we need to change and implement a new structure.
I think that America, generally speaking,
is very close to what the Bible would describe a nation
as being set up as.
It's just we have corrupt politicians, bad people.
We've been taken over by Judaism,
and so we have a lot of people in our country.
If we could get back to those Christian principles,
I think we would have success.
I think that that's why I disagree with national socialism
and Hitler's things because of Christian principles.
I've been listening to you,
and I do, I think, especially when I first come to space,
you said some great things,
and myself, I personally,
because, dude, I'm new to the JQJP,
but I've looked into it a lot myself,
the national socialist versus absolute Christianity first
or a religious-based first nation.
I just wanna, just from my personal opinion,
some stuff that I've learned,
and I'm trying to be quick because I know you have to run,
but preserving race provides a tangible lived context
for religious expression
as racial identities often shape how communities interpret
and practice faith such as the distinct traditions,
for example, Ethiopian Jews or Ashkenazi Jewish rituals.
My point being, based on historical evidence,
preserving race strengthens religious solidarity
by aligning spiritual beliefs with shared radical histories,
fostering a deeper sense of purpose and belonging
that reinforces faith.
My point is that by prioritizing the preservation of race
over money or capitalism,
as Hitler did with national socialism,
a government system emerges that lays the finest foundation
for a strong religious nation,
rooting spirituality and racial unity
rather than material division.
And I'll end with this because I know you gotta go,
is all I'm saying is that with what he was doing
was great for his people
and that naturally, it built a stronger society,
laying the foundation for a robust community
rooted in Christian faith.
And today, I don't believe that it hits harder
maybe even today than it did then
because I mean, look at what our countries have become,
the West in general, Europe, America.
I mean, we're being cooked, dude.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, yeah, you can go to Europe
and some of these people are mad, the Muslims are there,
but who's doing this?
Who are the ones doing it?
If your neighbor throws rattlesnakes across your fence
and they bite your child,
are you mad at the rattlesnake
for doing what it naturally did?
Are you mad at the person who threw him over?
So I'm just saying,
I'm just trying to provide different angles
because I was raised a Southern Baptist.
So I understand a lot of your perspectives.
And like I said, I'm relatively new to this stuff.
And I think there is,
I definitely don't see eye to eye
in everything you're saying,
but I hope you look into it more
and try to learn a little bit more.
And I hope there's some things,
I've learned some stuff from you tonight.
So I just wanna say, I appreciate you coming.
I'm not trying to dog you out, brother.
Really do appreciate you.
Appreciate all you guys.
Ian, What's Up Truth just came in.
Band pastor, Colin, Sean, Space Cat, everybody.
Kost, Godfather, Duck.
What's up?
That's all I have to say.
Thanks for listening.
Thanks for letting me up, guys.
Thanks again.
I have to go.
So I appreciate it so much, Ian.
And I think the guys that had questions and stuff,
and I know I got a little spicy too
with some of the comments,
but I'm not saying I know everything.
I'm still wanting to learn as well,
but I do know a lot of things about the Bible.
And so I wanna share those.
You mentioned your MBA in economics.
I've got an MBA as well.
I had to unlearn all the stuff I learned in my MBA program
because it was all based on lies.
Well, I didn't finish it.
I'll be honest.
I didn't finish it because it was lies
and I hated learning it.
So that's why I gave up on it.
Cause it's garbage.
But I appreciate the conversation, guys.
Well, why did you use it for an arguing position then?
I'm just saying I have concepts.
I understand the concepts.
That doesn't mean I agree with them.
So I appreciate you guys.
Y'all have a good night.
All right.
Thanks, Ian.
I don't have a question.