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Hey everybody.
Thanks for joining us for
another episode of
The Baptist Bias.
Looks like I'm going to have to be doing the show
alone again.
I was hoping that we...
Ben?
Is this the real Ben?
How's it going?
What happened to the real Ben?
Let's just say that I
took care of it.
Just like I did with Todd Ferguson.
Oh, you're going to have to tell me more about that later.
Well, I don't know what to do about
a Ben log. I mean, I didn't record anything.
Don't worry. You don't have to worry about it.
I already recorded one earlier today.
Alright.
Let's check it out.
Good late time
period, humans and persons.
Eberhard Nestle
and Kurt Allen have finally given us
an exact Bible
in the 33rd edition of their
Nestle-Allen Greek New Testament
sponsored by the Masonic Lodge.
It's estimated that
666 new Bible versions
will be published in the near future
based on this updated Greek
text so we can finally
realize what the Bible actually says.
Some very
un-good critics have asserted that
gender neutralizing Bibles
are satanic, but
we assure you that
there's really only one reason to
constantly change the Bible.
To make money. To make lots of money.
Scholars agree
we may have finally reached the eye
of the pyramid with a newly discovered
manuscript in an ancient dumpster
with hieroglyphics saying
burn all this useless trash.
In fact, all
true scientists agree that
this first century, give or take a few thousand
years, discovery
will give us the most
completely accurate version of the Bible
that we've ever been able
to reconstruct. Yet scholars
are most excited about the never
before seen document included in the
discovery called the Gospel
of Lucifer.
This completely gender
sanitized and gender neutral
finding will ultimately
end all the misogynistic
corruptions found in previous texts.
For example,
no more he.
We've realized that in fact we should
use the word persons
instead. Oh man, we've
decided to change to the more inclusive
human in Micah chapter 6
and in Romans chapter 2
we've changed it to foolish
person. The sin
offering sounds a little bit too
judgmental and so it's been changed to
the purification offering.
Domoniacs
has been updated to
people possessed by demons.
And more importantly, Song
of Solomon in the King James version
has been changed from I am black
to I'm a victim of the white
supremacist fascist
oppressive patriarchal
communist state.
See persons
who don't like these changes in the Bible
also mock other politically
corrected phrases that have been adopted recently
by CNN and
MSNBC such as fat
which we all know is no longer acceptable
and that has been changed
over to important person of size
aka
POS. Drunkard
well, that's hateful.
We've changed that one to adult
beverage enjoyer.
And the word whore is no
longer acceptable. We now use the phrase
vice president.
Hillary Clinton accusers are
now described as persons
who don't breathe well.
Ungood persons may scoff
at these changes and
mock these changes
because they're bigots.
And the reality is if you're still
stuck on archaic words
like he, she,
or man then it's
probably true that you have
the Baptist bias.
Thanks so much for
joining us for the pregame
show of the Baptist Bias.
We're doing the preserved Bible
premiere this evening
9 p.m. Texas
time which of course is the only time
that matters for those
lay people. It's central time
and we've got our co-host Ben
the Baptist. Why don't you say hello to everybody.
How's it going everyone? It's great to be
here. I'm very excited about the podcast
tonight. It's not every day the new
documentary comes out. It's not
every day that a new documentary comes out
about this subject matter about
the preservation of scripture about the
King James Bible and how it fits into
that doctrine of providential
preservation. I'm pumped up. I'm
ready to go. I cannot wait for
the worldwide premiere coming up
in just under an hour at 9
p.m. as Pastor Shelley eloquently
said Texas time
otherwise known as central time. So it's great
to be here. It's great to be back on the
podcast and I'm looking forward to the
next hour previewing this
film. Well
I don't know how we're gonna
update for the next version when we have
to talk about the Gospel of Lucifer
and some of these
modern changes are going. I mean
at what point would the modern textual
critics not use a text in the
Bible? Well I think
that they would certainly update anything.
I mean James White has already admitted
that and you will see that in our
film on the preserved Bible
in that film. We prove it
beyond any shadow of a doubt that critical
text proponents would update any verse
in the scriptures. And you know it's funny when we
record something like the
Bennel log and you know
there's obviously some
satire there but in the
next decade who knows maybe even
sooner than that it might not be satire. I mean
it's already happening where they're
using gender neutral language
in these false Bibles.
I believe it was the NIV 2011
edition that did that. And so you have
these modern Bibles that are already trying
to use politically correct terminology.
And in the future
because that Bennel log was recorded
sometime in the future. It was supposed to be
a parody of something that happens in the
future. They also use the term white supremacist
because of the fact
that that one is a little bit
less offensive and
you know white supremacist has been deemed an offensive
term you know a hundred years from
now so I just wanted to point that out. But it's great
to see everyone in the chat room and Pastor Shelley
I appreciate the opportunity
to be sitting here and to be back
on the air after getting kidnapped
by ninjas last week. Jewish ninjas.
Well you gotta watch out
for the Jewish ninjas.
Also we have a lot of people
watching the show this evening. If you have any
questions we'll be taking some questions.
Also we have our
hotline where you can call in
and we might be taking some callers.
So if you're interested in calling in
and sharing with us your feelings
about the movie or the show
we'd love to be taking that.
We'll put the number up there.
I believe it's 3-2-1 Baptist.
Sounds right.
We'll be putting that up on the screen
and you can make a call if you'd like to.
Also
I kind of just thought maybe we could take a second
to just share
your thought process
about the film making that we did here.
You know obviously it was a lot of work.
It took approximately two years
I mean we spent a lot of time with the filming
the editing. Tell us
what are some of your thoughts about the
ups and downs of making
this film? What did you enjoy? What was
kind of difficult?
Well what I enjoyed the most about it is just the subject
matter. And through the process
of doing research
through the process of watching
hours and hours of content related
to this topic
personally I learned so much.
And I feel like
it's night and day compared to
where I was at before getting involved
in this project to where I'm at
right now. Like it is really night and day
and that's really what I've enjoyed the most
is learning all of the
new information the new talking points
that I've been able to derive from
a lot of the research we've done about this
film. I also really enjoyed
the interviews that I had the chance
to be a part of. We went and we
spoke together Pastor Shelley and I
we went and traveled
and met Dr. Phil Stringer
and we interviewed him.
And to sit in on that interview
and to just absorb all of that information
was great. Pastor Steven Anderson
sitting in on that interview as well
and listening to him talk about something
that he knows so much about. Obviously
he's an expert was a lot of fun.
So for me the research the
interviews getting a chance to
listen to the great preaching on this
topic as well has been
my favorite part about it. And I
will say this you know I'm so much more
passionate about this subject today
than I was before we started
working on this project. I always cared
don't get me wrong but I feel like
I'm just a lot more passionate about it now.
My wife will tell you I mean I've been talking about
this nonstop for the last like
10-11 year really for the
last year. And
so I've really enjoyed that aspect of it.
I think what's been difficult is just the
the production you know trying to make it look
as professional as possible.
Neither one of us are
necessarily pros
in that area. So we did the best we can
I think with the graphics some of the color
grading. I would say
that aspect of it was most difficult.
But overall
I'm so thankful to have
been given the opportunity
to contribute in
the capacity that I did for the preserved
Bible. I wouldn't take anything
back. I'd love to I do it all over again if
I could. I loved every second of it
and I really appreciated the
chance to be a part of this. I've benefited personally
but more important than that just
to get the chance to
put a film like this out there. I don't
know that there's a more important topic.
Because if you have the wrong Bible
you have the wrong doctrines
associated with that false Bible.
We need to get people on the King James Bible
it's the only way to save this country
and so to be a part of a
process to help enlighten people
about this and get them on the right Bible
and help them understand what the
doctrine of providential preservation really
is and how to apply it in 2023
it's an opportunity that
I was never ever ever going
to reject. I'm going to take that every time.
So thank you for the chance to be
a part of this and I just hope that those
watching at home enjoy
the movie. Well I definitely understand
the difficulty
of making a high quality production.
I guess that's why I get what I pay for
but
of course I agree with you
working on the film really
helped even myself
learn a lot and we had some really great
interviews and
we met some really great people.
I even have with me actually a couple books
here and I felt like
maybe beneficial on the pregame show to
introduce a few of the characters that are actually in the film
some people really don't have any idea
who these people are but one of
the people that we had included in our film was
Dr. Humberto Gomez
and he actually helped translate
the RVG
2010 and so I have
a copy here. This is actually
a Bible
that we helped publish in the sense
that we made physical
reproductions of it. Dr. Gomez gave
us permission to actually make
physical Bibles and
we used his RVG 2010
to make New Testaments as a hand
out when we go out soul winning
preaching the gospel and
they came out really really nice.
We had a publisher that we worked with
that helped create this and
me and brother Oz actually
worked on getting all of the font and
everything set and it's definitely
a lot of work even after you have
the book or the Bible whatever
it is to end up printing
these things but
we have free copies that we
give out at our church and you know
it's great to have him on
or in the film
get an interview and we're going to actually be releasing
full interviews from
Dr. Gomez
and some of these other people.
You know you got to hear the whole
interview with Dr. Gomez. What did you
or some of your thoughts as far as
you know that interview specifically.
Well what I really liked about it is first of
all the fact that he has such reverence for the
received text and something he brought up
in that interview is the fact that he
appealed to the received text of
scripture in order to come up with the
RVG 2010. It wasn't like
that he didn't just translate
directly from the King James. Obviously they use
the King James but he appealed to
the received text to the Greek
and the Hebrew to the original languages
to come up with that and
I thought that his testimony of salvation
as well getting saved by
as he calls it you know a King James
Bible believer and just how much
respect and love and reverence
he has for the word of God
and how disappointed he is to see
those who would translate
other Spanish Bibles
while utilizing the
critical text while utilizing
the Greek that
is based on corrupted manuscripts
of the Alexandrian tradition.
So it's nice to see somebody who loves the word of
God who has a passion for the word of God who has a
passion for soul winning who's doctrinally
sound and who
gave the Spanish people
an excellent version of
the Bible. Now I
don't speak the language but everybody
who has read it has told
me Pastor Shelley that it really is truly
an excellent translation of
the word of God.
Well what's interesting about
that situation for a lot of
Spanish speakers is there's a lot of Spanish
churches in Texas and Mexico
and these areas that are King James
only in the sense that that's the only English
version that they will use. They
believe that it's the preserved
inspired words of God yet
they will often use what's
called like an RVG
or I'm sorry not RVG but an
RV 1960. So it's a
reign of Alera 1960 version
but the problem is the 1960
actually makes a lot of variations
in the text that are similar
to modern Bibles like an NIV
or the ESV
and so that's just a very
inconsistent theology when
you're using the quote unquote
NIV in Spanish and
you claim to believe in
King James only for the
English. That's kind of an
interesting dichotomy and so
of course Dr.
Gomez wanting to purify
the Spanish Bible as well
worked with several different people
to end up producing the RVG
2010. Another
individual that we had
got an interview with was Dr.
L. Donald Brake
or I'm sorry Dr. Donald L.
Brake and he's
written a lot of books. I only have one of
them with me. He actually
gave me another book that I don't have with me
but he's written several and this
one's called The Visual History of the King James
Bible. Now Dr.
Donald L. Brake is
a historian.
He's also a rare Bible collector.
He has several rare Bibles
at the Dunham Bible Museum
which is located in what used to be called
Houston Baptist University and Houston is now
called I think Houston Christian University
but it's a free museum
you can go in there and visit and they have a lot of different
cool exhibits. We actually took a
trip there and talking
with Dr. Brake was a
great interview. He's
very knowledgeable. In fact
our interview he's just talking about
so much history just off the top of his head
with so much accuracy you can tell that he truly
understands the subject matter.
He has a lot of reverence for the King James Bible
and has written a lot about the King James Bible
and I really like this particular
book. I've read several portions of it
and he even has some comparison charts
in here where he compares the Texas
Receptus and the King James Bible
with modern versions and
it's definitely very different.
So you know I'm interested
how did you even find
Dr. Brake?
Well I must admit it was my lovely
wife. Thank you sweetheart.
She and the Plant Brothers are going to love
this. That's an inside thing there.
They claim that my wife just does
everything behind the scenes
that I then out in public talk about
but anyway she
she emailed me
one day with a link
to one of Donald Brake's
blog posts and I
clicked on it and I read it and I just saw
the respect you brought it up the respect that he
had for the King James but in addition
to that his knowledge
of history and
everything that went into getting
us the Bible in the
modern era. He had a great amount of
respect for the manuscripts
that fall under the Byzantine
family and so I
figured this would be a good interview for us.
I thought that the
history section of our film
needed a little bit of
rocket fuel and
I think you could say that
Donald Brake added that and
as you watch the film you'll see he carries
portions of the movie
and does a great job explaining in particular
I really liked what
he added to the section
of our film talking about John Wycliffe
and everything that Wycliffe
went through and what Wycliffe
believed about bibliology
and his view which was in contrast
to the Roman Catholic Church. I don't want to spoil
too much. You know
there's just so much there
and Donald Brake was able to give us
his perspective on that. He also
gave us a great perspective on Tyndale
the making of the King James
as well some of the translators
Lancelot Andrews he gave us background
information on.
So yeah I mean I really enjoyed
not only his interview but
also what he added to
our documentary and thank you
to my lovely wife
for sending me information on it.
Yeah and
I guess your wife
also helped us with another gentleman
that's in the film. She might have edited the whole film
I mean who knows I'm just kidding. Do you even
have any personal opinions? Yeah I don't.
Okay well does she write the sermons?
She writes everything. Okay that's good.
Well we had another interview with
a man named Dr. Phil Stringer
and he is a
pastor, author, evangelist.
He's written books as well.
He's an author of this book
called The Unbroken Bible and
you know what's interesting is this is
pretty similar to our film as far as concept
and he's written about
the preservation of God's word
and Dr. Stringer is not
someone that grew up as
a fundamental Baptist believing
that the King James Bible is the only
preserved Bible. He actually
has a history where at one point
he was a textual critic
and he did not believe
in the King James only position
and he ended up studying it out for himself
after having gone to Bible college
and realized that
the King James Bible is the preserver of God and so
that's in my mind a great testimony
to hear someone being fed all the lies
of college and
the scholars and the textual critic's position
and then when actually researching
it realizing wow this is just a bunch of fluff
and that's what we hope
with this film. We hope that people will research
they'll study, they'll try to
actually pay attention to the arguments because I think
once you start slowly paying
attention to the arguments
you're going to slowly start
realizing wow there's
not really any weight
to the other side's arguments.
Now you've read
some of this book is that correct? I've read the whole thing
I thought it was an excellent book. I agreed
with the vast majority of it. I think Dr.
Stringer is extremely
knowledgeable on this subject
we pretty much agree
and he has some excellent talking
points that he brings forward
in the film. You'll notice it.
A lot of people actually I've spoken to
about this subject knew about
Dr. Stringer
before I did and they had been a
fan of his for a while and
a bunch of people that I've spoken to
Pastor Shelley are very excited to see
his contributions to this film
and he is proof that people
can change their mind on this issue.
I've met many who have
even those who consider themselves to be
authorities on the scriptures or maybe
they've already been ordained or they've been preaching
for a long time. They already know a lot about
the Bible. They can change as well.
It's possible
which I think further underscores the importance
of our documentary because I think it is
very possible that someone somewhere
somehow will watch the film
and maybe have a change of heart much
like Dr. Stringer did.
Look at him now producing books like
The Unbroken Bible which is a
really cool title. He even gave
me another book called
Evangelism Made Simple
and I've kind of read through some of this as well.
It's tips and
suggestions for soul winning and how to address
different conversations such as talking
with a Muslim or a Jehovah's
Witness or just different
kind of situations you may find
yourself in without soul winning.
It's great to find other
men that are
zealous for the King James
Bible, zealous for soul winning and
evangelism.
Dr. Stringer was
a great guy.
It was really fun to talk with him
and his interview was really good.
I look forward to releasing
the full interview with him as well.
Really with this film project we
have a lot of content that
did not make the final cut.
I think that Ben's deleted
scenes is a longer movie than the
actual movie itself.
He's not exaggerating folks.
That's likely true.
Hopefully we can
release, after a few weeks
we'll start releasing a lot of this content
on a regular basis.
If this film you really enjoyed
it but you kind of wanted more
stay tuned, subscribe to the channel
and we're going to definitely be releasing
a lot more information, interviews
the deleted scenes.
I'm going to be making some clips talking about
this subject.
The film, while it's a very
in my opinion complete
film, it makes a sound argument.
There is a lot to
why we use the King James Bible.
There's a lot to understanding where the Bible comes from.
For those that are very
interested we want to supply
more information and more documentation.
But at the end of the day, if you've seen that they're
different, you understand the argument
of doctrine and preservation, that should be enough
for you to decide.
King James Bible is my Bible.
There was a lady at Steadfast Oklahoma City
and I apologize, I don't know her name.
Miss Rhea.
Miss Rhea walked out of the theater and
essentially said, if you could see that whole
thing and still not change your mind, I don't know
that anything is going to help you.
I just loved that. That was one of my favorite reviews.
That was a great review.
Because it's true!
Of course.
I mean, at the end of the day,
you can take a horse to the lake
and you can put his mouth next to the water
but you can't force him to drink.
Can't force him to drink.
So of course we can drag people to the King James Bible
and show them why it's the best Bible
but at the end of the day
that's just not
you can't force someone
to believe the truth.
But I do believe there's a lot of people out there
that are just a little bit ignorant.
They don't have much knowledge. No one's taught them anything.
No one's showed them
what the differences are.
They have an opportunity here to change.
I see a comment in here. They were saying
Dr. Stringer was teaching
at Mickey Carter School
in Haines City and that's where
some other pastors
Pastor Patrick Boyle
and Pastor Joe Major had attended.
When I actually
talked with Dr. Stringer in the film
he brought that up.
You want to listen to the whole
interview but he definitely
doesn't agree with that group
anymore as far as the King James Bible
is concerned. He has a different view
than them and in my
mind he has the right view
when it comes to the
Bible and so it's kind of
a testimony that even being
around people that have a different viewpoint
he
can stand on what the truth of the
Word of God is.
At the end of the day
Dr. Stringer wants to maintain
a healthy relationship with anybody and
wants to be friends with people but he told
me that people have separated company from him
for simply taking
a strong stand on
the King James Bible and
believing that it's the preserved Word of God and also
even accepting the Texas
Receptus and the preceding Bibles.
You can watch the film
for yourself but for the most
part I agreed with pretty much everything that Dr.
Stringer had said in his interview
and so I hope people will
give him
a chance as far as his perspective
on King James Onlyism.
For sure. Like I said I have
a great respect for Dr. Stringer and I think he is an
authority on the subject. He knows a lot about it.
And I wanted to say just to add to the
discussion, I know we do have a caller
Pastor Shelley in the queue.
Just wanted to put that on your radar.
But I will say this, when it comes to the film
there are two
goals that I hope
can be achieved with this
documentary. Just two.
The first one is this, educate.
I hope that people who watch
this, even if they are already
on our side, walk out of
well the theater showings have already
happened but after the film is over that they
can say I learned something.
And if that's the case then praise God.
Here's the second goal that I
have for this film that I hope can be achieved.
Inspire. I hope people are both
educated and inspired by this
film. I hope that they both learn something
and feel inspired
to, as a direct result
of the movie, pick up their King
James Bible, dust it off their
shelf, and read
it. That's the goal right here is that
people get inspired to read their
Bible and get plugged in and
serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
Educate and inspire. That's what
I hope we can achieve with
the Preserved Bible.
Now one thing I want to talk about before we
get too far in here and I haven't had a chance.
We are going to be doing a competition
for the film. We'll take a
caller after I explain this. But
we are doing a competition in the film. There's
two ways to win.
And we're going to actually take
the top ten winners
in both categories.
So in the film we have one callback.
And a callback is essentially
a reference to a previous
film project that we have. So if you can
put the timestamp
and what film
the callback is to
and email it to
Steadfast Baptist KJV,
you are going to win a prize.
Now the prize is going to be,
in part, we're going to be making some new
shirts. We're going to make a new Sodomite
Deception shirt and we're going to be making a new
Preserved Bible t-shirt. So if
you can get the callback
we will get you a new shirt
and it's going to be for the top
ten people. So even
if someone's already got this,
the first ten. Now I know
some people out there think they already know this, but you
got to give me the exact timestamp
and you got to give me the name
of the callback film. If
you can email that to us,
whoever's the top ten, we're going to send you
a free shirt along with another
prize. The second part of the
competition is there's an Easter egg.
Now an Easter egg is kind of
an allusion to something that's going to
happen in the future.
We hope to make more documentary films.
There is going to be
other projects that we're going to
work on. So we put a very
clear Easter egg in the film
in reference to a future
work. So again, if you can give us
the timestamp and
exactly what the Easter egg is
in reference to, the first
ten people on that are going to
also get a shirt.
Now I will say this, you can't win
both shirts though, so
you got to pick which one you want to
email us in, but essentially
we should have twenty winners
if everybody wants to participate in
this competition. So
the first ten people
that are going to email us the timestamp
and the reference to the
callback will win a prize
and the other first ten people
that can give us, someone's going to be
using a new email account I feel like.
And of course
if you want to put your name and address in there
we'll be sending these things out.
So we just wanted to
make it a little bit fun, pay attention to the film.
There's a lot of cool stuff in there, but this is
a friendly little competition we want to put in there
and so we'll be putting
that information out.
This is kind of your opportunity, of course
watching The Baptist Bias, you get all the information
first, so thanks so much for tuning in.
We've got a hundred and twenty people on the live stream
and make sure
when we wrap up, we're going to wrap up a few minutes early
click on over and watch
the Preserve Bible. Put some comments
in there, share the film, we want to really
And pay attention. You have
to pay attention to this film.
You can't just kind of be half in, half out.
Pay attention. Now let's go
to our caller.
Someone can give me
who our caller is.
It's Brother Sean.
If we can get him patched through
we can hear what he has to say.
Some of his research made it into the documentary
in fact.
Yeah!
Fantastic.
Producer?
Can you hear me?
Okay.
He's on? Alright.
Brother Sean?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
Brother Sean, go ahead, speak.
You're online.
Going once, going twice.
We need you to talk to us.
I'm right here.
Hey Sean, how's it going?
Oh, hey.
Going great. Saw the
film on Saturday and it was
absolutely fantastic.
That's great. Now we don't want to spoil
anything for our
audience out here, but
did you get to see it in theaters?
Yes.
Yeah, I got to see it in the theater in Washington.
Well,
Brother Sean, I remember we talked
a lot at the Red Hot
Preaching Conference about this subject
and I was really
excited because
you had such zeal for this topic
and I like talking to people who have a lot of zeal
and so that was cool, but
you had sent me
some research. Without spoiling
it, did you notice that it made it in?
I did.
I did. I did notice that it made it in
and you know, I've done
a lot of research on this.
I've preached about it at church.
Pastor Thompson's been really
supportive of
preaching about it and
I've done a lot of research.
I actually, Dr.
Stringer saw some videos
that he did earlier
and
there's so much
information. There's so much out
there that proves that
you know,
I mean, obviously we just
trust the Bible. We trust that God's
preserved his word, but there is so much
evidence to show
beyond just
what the Bible says that
this is the word of God. It is preserved
and
it's just amazing to see that
because you know, I believe
it through faith, but
then when I actually look
at the record and
I look at the
evidence, it all lines up with Scripture
and it's just absolutely
incredible to see
that and I've been able to
to you know,
to tell you the truth,
the whole reason why I even got into
the new IFB was
because this whole Bible
issue, I was really
confused because I'd see all these
different versions and
then I had someone
tell me once, hey, you need to get a real
Bible, you need to throw that NIV in the trash
and that kind of led me into this
whole, well,
you know, is there one
you know, Bible in the English
language for us and
the evidence overwhelmingly
was the King James Bible, so.
One of the,
some of the quotes and some of the research you had given
us,
I ended up looking up and kind of
researching, trying to get the source and
there was a letter that King
James had written to his son, I think it's called
the Basilicon Doron.
Is that something that you've actually
read?
Yes, yeah, I've actually read
it and I actually preached a
sermon about it,
but it's
just this amazing book,
I mean, think about this, think about it, if
someone came to you and said, hey,
Pastor Shelley, I want you to write a book
about how your son
should act.
And that's what he did, he wrote a book,
I think it's split up into three
parts, it's like a king's duty to his
people, a king's duty to God
and a king's duty to his country
and it's just very well thought out
and it's just soaked with Bible
and just
every turn he's just constantly
quoting scripture and it was
incredible to see that
and
I really do believe that,
I mean, you
go back to Deuteronomy 17 where it
talks about the rules for kings,
if you look at all those rules that
were in the rules for kings and you compare that
to King James, he really
tried to keep all those rules
and I actually,
to tell you the truth, I can't find another monarch
that did that besides
Jesus Christ.
I mean, you know,
Well, that letter definitely
gives a lot of insight to his
affection for the King James
Bible and
specifically even just Christianity, which it's funny
to me because I had preached about a guy Sunday
night and his name was
like Matt McMillan and
he said, there's a rumor out there that King
James wasn't even a Christian
and I was just like,
this guy has done zero research
to say such a stupid
comment or the idea that
King James is somehow not even a Christian
is just such a bizarre
statement for someone
to make and I think anybody that's done
any level of research would
realize the absurdity
of such a claim. I feel
like someone like you could appreciate
how foolish of an idea that could be.
Yeah,
and just to give a little
context into the Silicon
Dorn, you know, Cambridge
University has the original
handwritten
manuscript that he wrote
and it's on their website.
They actually have pictures of it because
I kind of thought maybe in the back
of my mind, maybe King James just had
some bishops putting this together for
him or something, but then I found
out that no, they actually have
it in his handwriting
and I was,
it's, let me tell you, it's
hard to read because it's in cursive and there's
a lot of, just the way they
spoke was different
but to see him
write stuff out and then scratch out
entire passages,
you could tell that he was really thinking
about it and
it's just,
it's a level of
thought about the Bible
and about what God
expected from him that you just
don't see these days and it's
really made me
think about how I'm going to raise my own children.
Yeah, it
really challenged me to
think like, wow, maybe I should write a book
or a letter to my children about
how to behave. Now, one thing I wanted to
ask you, obviously you're
someone that studied the topic more
than others. You have a lot of
information and knowledge, but as far as the
film is concerned, did you still feel like
maybe there were some things you learned or
was there anything that was kind of new
to you on the subject matter?
Yeah, totally.
There were several
things that I thought were
stuff that I really hadn't
looked into that much
that really, I don't
want to spoil anything, but
I really
liked the narrative.
It was very engaging
and to tell you the truth, even
when some of the stuff came on that
I wrote out,
at first
I was like, oh no,
is this going to be
too dense on
information? Are people going to get
disinterested? But then I was really
pleasantly surprised to say that
no, it's not. It flows
really well. Everyone
I talked to was like, they
got it. They got the information that was
there.
It's one of
those things that
I geek out about it
and some people are like, okay, that's
too much information
and I get that, but
I'm so excited about
it. I want people to hear about it, but I
really think the documentary is a great
balance of
here's a lot of evidence,
but also I love the way you guys
put in a lot of Bible.
I've seen quite a few people
try and argue
the King James position,
but then there's so little
scripture that it's like,
what's the point, man? If
you're just going to try and prove it through secular
means, then
God wants us to
I mean,
faith is what God wants. He wants
us. How can we please
God without faith?
That's how I approached
this, was that I knew
the King James Bible was inerrant.
I knew that it was perfect.
When I started investigating
these various aspects
of it,
all it was doing was
confirming what I already knew.
That was
it.
It's such an
amazing book, and every day when
I open my Bible and I read it, it's just
like, this is
God speaking to me.
I don't have to worry
about whether
it's been translated correctly.
I don't have to worry about whether it's
been preserved correctly.
I don't have to worry about any of that, because
God's going to preserve it.
He promised that He would preserve it.
He promised that He would make it available,
and it's available to me right there.
And I can just
it's such an
incredible feeling to know
that the Creator of the universe
loves me so much
that He's just like, here.
Here is my inerrant word that is
speaking directly to
you, and
it's an awesome feeling.
And I really
especially what Brother Ben was saying,
the whole point of this documentary is
for people to just dust off the Bible
and read it. I mean, right now
at our church, we're going through the
one month New Testament
Bible challenge, and we just
finishing up reading the New Testament
in a month. And man,
reading the New Testament in a month, it
gives you a perspective on
what was going
on with Jesus, you know, reading the Gospels.
I think I read the
four Gospels in like two or three days,
and it was
it's
I don't know, it just makes it
it makes it come alive.
And that's something
I encourage people to do, too, is just
read the Bible. I mean, you've got God's
word right there. You know, there's so
many countries around the world where they don't
have good translations
in their own language, and
we do. And we need to take advantage
of that. You brought up reading your
King James and just thinking to yourself,
these are the very words of God. And you
you compare that to critical text
proponents who are excavating, who are
using archaeology, who are trying
any any through any means
possible to discover what
the original autographs said.
They're trying to reconstruct the text
to figure out what the original
manuscript said. And for us,
it's as easy as picking this up and reading it. Here you
go. Here's what the original manuscript said. I have it right
here. It's called the King James Bible. You can read it from
Genesis to Revelation, and you'll know
what the original manuscript said. And
if you want to know what it said in Greek, pick up an
1894 scrivener. You want to know what it said
in Hebrew? Pick up
the Masoretic text from Daniel
Bomberg. I mean, it's like
these people are on
this never-ending mission to find the
word of God and those who adhere to
the received text position,
who believe in King James
only-ism. For us, we have it.
We have God's Word, and what
a special feeling that is
that really has been
rejected by these Bible correctors
who are still excavating and
trying to find what they believe
is missing
when it's really not. It's been preserved right here
for you. And we proved the doctrine of preservation
up one side and down the other in this
film. You brought up the Scripture. There is
so much Scripture on that topic in
our documentary.
One of the things I thought was interesting,
there was a reviewer that
said this too, but he said, which
one of these modern Bible translators
would be willing to die
for their translation?
When is
James White going to be willing to die for
any version of the Bible? Or
the NIV editors, would they be willing to die
for the NIV? Whereas
I think the martyr aspect
of the King
James Bible, and
the preceding Bibles, is
a very interesting point.
Whereas you have the modern Bibles,
if they're really the Word of God,
all this martyrdom and all this
work and effort that happened throughout
history is really kind of
nullified. It's vain
and pointless. So it's like
the people that died for the Bible died for
the wrong ones, and then the right one,
no one's willing to die for it. It
just kind of is a strange
viewpoint. Yeah, the wrong ones
that are supposedly the right ones
aren't being used. I don't want to spoil the movie,
but I will say this, Pastor Shelley,
our Bible
was written with the blood of
William Tyndale in the New Testament
in the sense that
he gave his life to get
the refining process
started providentially
with the English translation
of Scripture, and then you
go a hundred years into the future and you
have the King James Bible,
but it's largely based on,
and we talk about it in our movie,
just how important it was
William Tyndale and how much of
his work is still
present in our Bible today.
Hey, why don't you give us
one more plug, Brother Sean,
for the film, or any last
thoughts real quick.
Yeah, I just
love the way it was so informative,
and like
I said, it was interesting
from start to finish. At no point
in the film was I like,
oh man,
this is getting boring
or anything.
When it ended, I'm like,
oh, that's it?
I didn't even feel the passage of time
because you're just
interested from beginning to end.
It's edited really well.
I'm kind of
a snob when it comes to editing
and filming and stuff,
and I
really like the way it was done. The music
is fantastic.
This is something that you can really give
to someone who maybe doesn't
know a lot about this issue,
and you can say, hey,
here's this documentary,
and it clears this up,
and it's
not going to be something that they watched
in high school that's real boring.
It's going to be like they're watching on the
Discovery Channel or the History Channel
or something like that.
They're just going to be like, wow, this is awesome.
Then when they get to the end,
they're just going to know
for sure, for a fact,
that the King James Bible
is God's word in the English
language.
Well, amen. Great
review. I really appreciate you calling in.
Thanks so much for
giving us a great and positive review
of the film and even helping
with some of the
filming process and editing process,
giving us some information
that we could use.
One thing I did want
to play was that
clip you had of
Jack Hyles.
We have an often
argument against the King James Bible
is, oh,
it's just too hard, or you
can't really understand it.
It's too difficult to understand.
All these archaic words.
It's funny to me because in the film,
we put a lot of King James Bible in there.
No one ever tells me, oh, one of those verses
in there I didn't understand.
They always seem to understand all the verses we show
and use. It's kind of
a sad argument
or a pathetic argument in a lot of cases.
We have an older clip
of a preacher,
Pastor Jack Hyles.
He was a really famous preacher.
He had a large church
in Hammond, Indiana.
He's going to explain to us his viewpoint
on how hard the King James Bible is.
Let me exegete that for you.
And as he, that's opposite of she,
lay, that means you ain't standing up.
And slept,
that means you ain't awake.
Under,
that means he wasn't on top of it
or even with it.
A juniper tree, that's something that grows
out of the ground, got a trunk and branches
and leaves on it. An exegete.
And brother,
it's just as near exegete as all these
dried up professors give you in our colleges
these days.
Let me just keep on exegete
while I'm at it.
Behold, that means look at there.
Says then,
then, that tells you when it was.
And, that means it's just one.
Angel,
that's something that's got blonde hair
and floats around with a
magic wand all the time.
Touch,
that means that you made contact.
You rubbed his hand with some goo.
Said,
that means he's talking.
Under him, that means he's talking
to somebody else that wasn't a she or an it.
Arise,
that means get up.
And eat, any crazy fool doesn't know what that
means ought not to understand the Bible.
So I just opened it to another place.
Let's go over here,
the tough one, the chronicles.
I just pointed like that. Here's what it came to.
And the Lord,
that fellow lives up there.
Appeared, that means somebody's
seen him.
To Solomon, that was the king.
By night, that means it was dark.
And said, that means
he's talking.
Under him, that means he's talking to a he, not a she
or an it.
I have heard, that's what you do with your ears
when somebody's talking.
This Bible sure is hard to understand, isn't it?
I just pointed to another place like that.
And here's what it got.
While he was yet speaking, there came also another.
Help me, I need an IV, folks.
I beg you,
throw me a Moffat's translation.
Give me an Amplified.
I am lost in the depth of this book.
You sorry scoundrel, you.
You lazy rascals
spend all your time giving us new Bibles.
Why don't you shut up that,
get your old King James Bible
and shut up all that translation you're doing
and get your bunch of prospect cards
and go soul winning.
Amen.
That was a great
clip, but I was a little triggered
by all the he and the she.
I don't know if he actually
realizes that was a mistranslation.
It should have been humans and persons.
That's right.
And if you disagree, you are a threat
to our democracy.
Pastor Hiles is so entertaining.
I feel like if you went to a sermon of his,
it would be almost unfair.
It's so entertaining.
It would almost feel like you weren't even
at church or something.
It's so good.
That's why he ran thousands.
Yeah, of course.
He changed the whole country.
So many men were sent out of that church,
independent from the Baptist.
It's kind of funny that
we have Pastor Stephen Anderson
who went to Hiles Anderson College,
studied under that.
He's listened to a lot of Pastor Hiles' sermons
and all of these churches
that were started from
Hiles Anderson College in that era
It's like they don't like Pastor Anderson,
but Pastor Anderson has listened
to so much Jack Hiles' preaching
and preaches a lot like him.
It's funny.
They don't like Pastor Anderson
even though he's basically
very similar to and preaches a lot like
the person they supposedly look up to
and kind of led them out
and sent them out.
It kind of makes me think of John
when he talks about how the church
will no longer receive him.
There's a lot of people out there
who love it the preeminence.
It's kind of a sad state of affairs,
but of course
we don't have animosity
towards the old-life bee.
It's usually the other way around.
I'm hoping with our film
about the preserved Bible
maybe we can make some common ground.
We can make some more friends
and some more people can see
that we're not just these awful, horrible, bad people
but rather we're just truly convicted
fundamental Baptists that love the Bible
and want other people to
make the same change to the
King James Bible.
And this is an area of common ground
for a lot of us independent fundamental Baptists
and we should be able to come together on this.
Yeah, we might disagree on some
eschatology or whatever.
There may be some doctrines where we might not
see eye to eye, but when it comes to the
doctrine of the Bible, when it comes to the
doctrine of providential preservation
this is something that
we should be able to come together on
and that's why I give credit to somebody
like a Dr. Phil Stringer
for doing the interview with us
and contributing to our film and recognizing
that we see eye to eye on this crucial
issue and we can
together try to take down
the critical text proponents who are doing
everything within their power
to stymie the work of God, to
confuse people on what the Bible is
and to confuse people on what God said.
Pastor Jack Hyles said it best
in that clip, the King James
one of the attacks against it is that it's too difficult
it's too hard, you can't understand it
baloney, that's garbage
and he disproves that.
Now there are certain passages
that are difficult
but that's because the Bible itself contains
both the milk and the meat
there are going to be certain
parables that are harder to understand
there are going to be certain chapters, Daniel
chapter 11 comes to mind
that are difficult to understand
but that doesn't mean that it's the
it's not like an exclusive issue with the King James
that's the Bible, that's the word of God folks
you have the milk and you have the meat.
Well again, if the Bible
as it describes
is Jesus Christ
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God
and the word was God, we understand that Jesus Christ
is the word of God, why would I
ever assume that I'm going to
understand all of it instantly
there has to be some level of
difficulty if this is truly
the word of God given
down from man, or given from God
to man, then there's going to be a
level of difficulty
even with any language as well
you're going to have to learn new words
and it's silly because these modern versions
have all kinds of bizarre words
and difficult passages
in them as well
and so it's just a fool's
errand to claim, oh I need a picture
book, or whatever it is
you're never going to cater to the lazy
you're never going to cater to those who are so
simple minded that they choose not to
understand the Bible
and so of course this film itself
is not going to cater to them
it's actually going to use words and
speak in a way where you have to actually pay attention
and listen, it's not a cartoon folks
yeah, and what's wrong with trying
to uphold an English
language that doesn't sound like
it's coming from the mind of a complete idiot
our language continues to get
dumbed down, texts speak
and the street talk and all the rest of it
and I think, you know
why don't we be a force for change
in that area and say no, we're going to preserve
the right way to talk, right
we're going to preserve the right way to speak
and any hobby that you come up with
football, certainly golf
you talked about tea time last week
I had no idea what that meant
but my point is, any hobby
that you want to be
interested in, that you have an interest in
is going to come with terminology that
you have to learn, football, golf
hockey, whatever sport, whatever hobby
you have to learn new words
well guess what, with regard to
the word of God, the same rule
applies, you're going to have to probably learn
some new terms, but there's no harm
in that, absolutely
and you know, we're getting
down to the last few minutes here
it's five minutes, it's less than five
minutes and the film is going to start premiering
and we're going to be cutting off just a few
minutes before that, so we're
getting pretty close to wrapping up
one last reminder, we have a competition
if you can spot our
callback, email us immediately
the time stamp
along with that callback
the first ten are going to receive a prize
in addition to this, the first ten
that can find our Easter Egg
time stamp and what the Easter Egg
is in reference to for our future project
that we're doing is going to also receive a prize
and we're going to be sending out new t-shirts
that we'll be making
to them, so
it's going to be fun
pay attention to the film, please
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and I really appreciate
all those that have supported our church
supported Pure Words Baptist Church
supported Step Fast Baptist Church
and supported us and able to
make this film, you know, if it wasn't
for our church, if it wasn't for those that are generously
donating to us online
and even those that just donated over their time
efforts and energies, we wouldn't be able to make
a film like this, and so it's not a
one man show, a lot of people help me with
the film, a lot of people that probably
aren't even getting recognition have helped
me on the film and I have to say
thank you to giving us this opportunity
I feel very privileged
to be able to make a film
like this and be able to share this, it's an important
topic for me, I love the King
James Bible and so
you know, I just want to make sure that
others can also appreciate
the Bible that we've been given
well, I think that's going to end up
doing it for us, make sure to check out
the Baptist Bias Weekly, Tuesdays
8pm, here we're
going to be having several more episodes
this season, you don't want to miss
them, you want to check them out live so you can
call in, you can give us your questions
and that's pretty much going to wrap us
up, why don't you go ahead and close it out Ben
I don't care what you're doing
right now, drop it and
head over to the Love Thy Neighbor
YouTube channel to check out the worldwide
premier of the preserved
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folks, for Pastor Jonathan Shelley
this is Benjamin Naim signing
off and we will talk to you guys again
after a while
you