Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Why?
And you're still feeling it, correct?
Absolutely.
It's not the same level of heat.
But there's still going to be down.
Downward spiraling consequences.
And just.
Reverb effects of this and just collateral damage.
And I can see.
back it is real that there's gonna be a fight and but at the same time how is
not bringing up these issues gonna fix our country you know how is not talking
about what the Bible has to say and and of course you're trying to just balance
everyone in this country from seeing all this bad example these supposed
Christians falling all over themselves to love the ungodly as it were and
you're trying to just kind of jerk back the steering wheel and say wait a minute
you know we should have God's perspective not what the media wants to
tell us and and spoonfeed for us and you know I appreciated the sermon I didn't
get to look I didn't get to listen to it because it was just immediately censored
but I got to hear I got to hear all the good parts and you know I thought it was
great now here's another consequence of that sermon in my opinion and this is
what I call the you the YouTube the pastor of men is YouTube policy yes but
I want to pull up on the screen we have a Google policy and I remember finding
this I got censored for something or something happened one of our sermons
and I went it up and looked this up and it blew me away it was like a few years
ago it blew me away when I read this as I was thinking like this is all about
pastor Menes and so I figured why not bring on pastor Menes to get his
thoughts but can we pull up that on screen the their Google policy on what's
called hate speech now this phrase is becoming very popular in our culture all
of a sudden a lot of companies are adopting this and their terms and
services in fact I was like you said you know you're kind of shopping online
giving solutions I was going through the list and and I ran into this one it's a
Christian company and the guy told me he's like hey we can also put you on our
app so you don't have to get shut down on YouTube people can watch your sermon
on our app and I said okay well what's your like you know restrictions or
policies like I'll just read our terms and policies you know as long as you
abide by those you're good and I started scrolling through it literally said that
you'd be banned for any level of hate speech and I'm just thinking like why
would a Christian site want to ban hate speech like what does that even mean I
asked the I asked the guys oh well I said we're probably gonna get a ban
because of hate speech and he's like oh but we're not supposed to hate anyone
wow and I said I said what about Psalm 139 where the Bible says do not I hate
them O Lord that hate thee and he goes oh that's above my pay grade it's weird
how even the Christians so called are are trying to say oh you can't have hate
speech and everything like that now in this you this YouTube Google policy I
want to scroll down they have a section and they're called errors I'm not sorry
your examples I'm sorry yeah so if you scroll down now in this policy scroll
back up because we can't see for the I want to go down there in just a second
scroll kind of back to the top it's gonna describe for us here hate speech
policy so the hate speech policy also known as the pastor Jimenez policy if
you scroll down just a little bit we'll read what it says it says oh go back up
just tear it for me again I want to make sure that the viewers can see this the
safety of our creators viewers and partners is our highest priority we look
to each of you to help us protect this unique and vibrant community it is
important you understand our community guidelines and the role they play in our
shared responsibility to keep YouTube safe take the time to carefully read the
policy below you can also check out this page for a full list of our guidelines
and they've more recently updated it since when this first came out but then
it says you're not allowed to have hate speech against and then it gives kind of
a blanket list but of course they put down there you know gender and basically
being a sodomite and all kinds of stuff like that but then they want to give you
some examples and I think this is kind of comical it says on the first example
here's an example of what you're not allowed to say on YouTube I'm glad this
and then in brackets violent event happened they got what they deserved in
brackets referring to the persons with the attributes noted above and I'm just
like that's exactly what passed him in his said and it and then the second one
it says quote there in the brackets persons with attributes noted above are
dogs and I'm thinking like these people are literally writing policy based on
pastor a minute sermon just like verbatim it blew me away and I'm
thinking like pastor minutes went so viral that Google itself the like most
powerful company in the world arguably maybe Amazon now I don't know it's but
it's up there is is making policies based on a pastor of a couple hundred
people in Sacramento California you know it's like obviously people say oh that's
a small church but I don't see them making YouTube policies on Joel Osteen's
church or TD Diggs Church you know I mean so from a perspective of impact it
seems like it's the biggest church it's making one of the biggest impacts for
the cause of Christ and a lot of people are even getting saved you know people
don't realize that they'll say like well why don't you preach the gospel yet I
guarantee lots of people have gotten saved by hearing those comments looking
at Verity Baptist Church hearing about Baptist Verity Baptist Church you know
having a normal brain in their head and and essentially a soul winner coming by
like you know I want to hear what that church has to say and then they hear the
gospel of Jesus Christ and they end up getting saved whereas they weren't that
interested without this kind of event without this kind of media tension as it
were and and some people would argue there's no such thing as bad press and I
almost feel convinced that that's probably true you know do you feel like
there is quote-unquote bad press as it no I agree I mean the here's the thing
first of all the the fact that YouTube and Google are making policies based off
of my preaching and the preaching of other pastors like me is a testament to
the power of the Word of God and that's that's why it's a win when our sermons
are even out of context are put all over the world because it's the Word of God
it's what the Bible says and and and then absolutely you know people hear it
you know there's people all over this country that are in my church and your
church and other churches new IFB churches that will tell you that they
got saved because of documentaries and sermons and and things going viral and
and whatever and you know you there might be a few out there but I usually
the story is not I I googled what must I do to be saved and and I was way to
heaven video came up usually it's I watched this documentary I saw the
sermon came up I saw this news thing and then that led me to something else and
led me to something else that eventually got them saved so God uses that you know
and it's it's it's been effective so I don't believe there's any such thing as
bad publicity obviously if you want to be loved if your goal I guess it depends
what your goal is if your goal is to be loved by the world like Joel Osteen or
Billy Graham then yeah there is a such thing as bad publicity and there are
some things you're just never gonna say you're never gonna preach but if your
goal is to get the Word of God out if your goal is to get the preaching of
God's Word into the ears of as many people as possible then there's no bad
publicity in fact bad publicity is better than any publicity in my opinion
because it gets you out further faster and I don't I don't know if this is a
word but freer yeah it's it's free I mean a few a couple of years ago back in
I want to say was 2019 we had the LA and LA Times reporter came to the red hot
preaching conference was here the entire conference and then did this
whole article and I think we were like the front page of the LA Times or
something like that it was a big article in the LA Times all about our church and
our conference and if I would have went to the LA Times and said hey I'd like to
you know have this huge publicity thing in your in your newspaper it would have
cost me like $30,000 or something but they gave it to us for free so I don't
think there's any such thing as bad publicity when your goal is to preach
the Word of God and get the Word of God out if your goal is to become rich or be
loved by the world and then that's a different story yeah of course they're
gonna want a sense of truth I'm not gonna be censoring lies and so I we do
have we have been neglecting some callers so I want to get some callers in
a minute Dylan you know obviously you're just a
young guy you hear Pastor Jimenez's comments did you did you talk to other
people about that like you said you kind of heard that in the car but did you
bring that up with people what was kind of the reaction from other people you
know about this type of event or what is kind of the word on the street did you
get anything a few things at the time that this was happening I was still
going to an old IFB Church so the only time this was brought up around me was
in a very negative light you know because this church was afraid to preach
on this issue I was afraid to talk about the sodomites and that's really like we
said earlier since most people aren't preaching this that's why the censorship
is able you know to come after us so single-handedly but then you know when I
move obviously to Vancouver Washington and go to Verity Baptist Church Vancouver
around some people that actually believe the Bible you know of course then
they're supporting their pastor and supporting what he said why because you
know of the man no it's because he's preaching the Word of God and you know
the reason why there's literal people conspiring and specifically coming
against pastor Jimenez pastor Shelley you know churches like ours you know in
Psalms chapter 2 the Bible says the kings of the earth set themselves and
the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed and so
wherever the Jesus of the Bible is being preached wherever the Word of God is
being preached that's where the spiritual darkness the powers of this
earth are going to be conspiring to come against those people the devil doesn't
care about Joel Osteen the devil doesn't want to try to stop Joel Osteen in fact
Joel Osteen works for the devil Joel Osteen is helping the devil accomplish
his goal in sending people to hell but churches that actually preach the Lord
Jesus Christ you know the anointed that is the church that the devil is gonna
set his targets against and try to come at them with censorship at first that's
the devil's goal at first is to shut them up but eventually as we see in the
book of Acts and as we read about in the New Testament they want to take it past
just shutting our mouths don't they pastor Shelley absolutely now we're not
about that but we do have a way to call in too because we're trying to do the
opposite of censorship we want to bring the most censored pastors on our show
and we don't know how long we'll be on YouTube but obviously we want to keep
going but if you want to call in two three one Baptist two three one Baptist
we've got a couple callers on the line I think we have a John on the line from
Verity so let's see if we can get him on the line hey John are you there hello
hey you're on the Baptist by say hello hi actually my name is Jeffrey Jeffrey
I'm sorry Jeffrey how's it going Jeffrey hey Jeffrey how's it going I'm hanging
in there pastor man it's good to hear from you again it's good to see you on
Sunday after all this time yes Jeff are you doing hanging in there hanging in
there pretty good be working again tonight of course well pastor Shelley I
hope you guys are doing okay given everything that's been going on then the
different type of censorship you know especially with the way a landlord can
just almost it's almost like flipping a switch after what goes on they just do
it on a dime it feels that way yeah I mean sometimes it's it can be
anticipated but you never really know what's gonna happen so I was gonna see
do you ever do you have a question for pastor minutes or for the show about
censorship do you have something or do you want to share your experience there
on censorship well I think it's um it's good that we're you trying to build our
own infrastructure to counteract the censorship especially with the the band
but not bound email list that we're able to keep distributing you know sermons or
other materials so that way we don't you know like interrupt the pipeline of you
know being able to continue to operate as it is yeah so that's that's great I
think we should get pastor minutes to talk about that but have you been on
that list have you seen that working does that is that something you enjoy oh
yeah yeah sometimes it links whether to the traditional sites or to the
alternative text sites but the materials all there so it's all all there for us
to use and learn from is that something you share with other people yeah
absolutely that's great now to give some of our listeners a little idea this band
this band but not bound this is kind of an email list is that correct pastor
minutes yes it is and I can I can talk a little a little bit about it Jeff
Jeffrey thank you for calling and thanks for bringing that up and we're praying
hope she gets better soon in regards to the in regards to the band but not bound
email list this was something that we actually started as an answer to the
censorship because like I said we we work at building YouTube channels and
all of that obviously that helps us get our message out but we've had we've had
channels with 5,000 subscribers get shut down and and 10,000 subscribers get shut
down and and many other channels that have different different sizes get shut
down and of course YouTube just at any moment can just hit a button and and
take your whole channel away so what we decided was that instead of trying to
build a channel that could be taken away from us from that is owned by people who
hate us and hate God and hate the Word of God and are using me as an example of
what they don't want on their website we thought that it'd be good to build an
email list and so we got this idea to do a web an email list called band but not
bound and what it is is that we are asking people if they if they like this
type of preaching they can go to band but not bound calm I'll give you a
plug-in if that's okay yeah calm and they can sign up and right now we have
2203 emails on that list and it's growing every week obviously it's harder
to grow an email list and like a YouTube channel but in my opinion I I think the
the the emails are very valuable on that email list because these are people that
are going to a website signing up and there are people that want the truth and
what we what we tell people is when you sign up for the band but not bound email
list you will get an email from us every month and it'll have a link to a sermon
that has been censored from YouTube and it we're not promoting any one channel
or anything sometimes we have them on like different sites that alternative
type social media sites and sometimes they're not even our videos there are
other people's videos that fast videos whatever but we they they get those
emails they get links to sermons that are not allowed on YouTube and we also
send a bunch of other stuff just normal sermons videos when we do shorts we send
them out when you know I we send out a link for this live stream tonight you
know so it's it's a way to gather information and emails of people who
want this type of content and what I like about it is that it can't be taken
away from us a YouTube channel can be taken away but they can't take away this
email list so that's that's one thing we did to try to respond to the council
culture and the censorship and obviously we're still going to use YouTube and
we're going to use anything we can until they they literally you know kick us off
the internet but um but but this was a way for us so we've got
right
let us know send us give us the link we'll mail it out email it out and let
people know if you have a sermon you know I'm talking to you pastor Shelley
but all at any pastor that's that's hearing this if you have a sermon that's
been censored from YouTube you know put it on a different site like rumbler or
something and and and and then send us the link and we'll get it out well we'll
put it into that schedule where people get something every month and it's it's
our answer to the censorship it's one of our answers it's not the only answer
but it's one of the things we're doing is man but not bound calm so if you
haven't signed up for it please do so yeah I think that's a great idea and you
know it causes us to be more creative and work even harder whereas a lot of
these other people they don't have to work hard or come up with creative
solutions because they're just basically following the devil's agenda and the
devil's not giving them any kind of resist absolutely you know I I guess on
a request maybe there's a documentary I heard that's pretty good sodomite
deception maybe you could put that in there in June in the month of June this
we will do that I'm I'm I I'd be surprised if it's not on our list
already but we'll make sure to have it be the June the June email there's
definitely some fiery clips from a guy named pastor man is in that one we
really like that but you know it's interesting how far this is gonna go and
you know I think that sometimes we want to even be ahead of the curve
potentially and I think that this band but not bound is a great way to kind of
be a little bit ahead of the curve looking forward and realizing hey I
might I might have 15,000 subs right now but that could be taken away tomorrow
like you said and they could even just figure out new and creative ways to just
keep getting us off I wanted to play another clip I think we still have some
Collins if you want to call in two three one Baptist we'll get a quick question
from you thanks Jeffrey for calling in and for his comments and we'll be
praying for his mother as well but there's a video I want to play it's
called a big win for Google and I'm sorry no there was a there's a hate
speech Google rep that's the clip that I want to play it's um it's basically this
lady talking to Congress and or some kind of lawmakers and she's from a
Google and she's kind of explaining what they're doing to literally censor people
like pastor Jimenez people that want to share the truth and then they wrap it in
this language of quote hate speech but let's play this clip and I want to get
some of your thoughts on on what they say here around 2 billion people come to
YouTube every month and we see over 500 hours of video uploaded every minute
making it one of the largest living collections of human culture ever
assembled in one place we know however that the very platforms that have
enabled these style these societal benefits may also be abused ranging from
the annoying like spam to the criminal like child pornography over the past two
years we've invested heavily in machines and people to quickly identify and remove
content that violates our policies against incitement to violent and hate
and hate speech first YouTube's enforcement system starts from the point
at which the user uploads a video if it's somewhat similar to videos that
already violate our policies it's sent to humans for review if they determine
that it violates our policies they remove it and the system makes a digital
fingerprint so that it can be up so that it cannot be uploaded again in the
fourth quarter of 2018 over 70% of the more than 8 million videos reviewed and
removed were first flagged by a machine the majority of which were removed
before a single view was received second we rely on experts to find videos the
algorithm might be missing some of these experts that at our in-house Intel desk
which proactively looks for new trends and content that may violate our
policies we also allow expert NGOs and governments to notify us of bad content
in bulk through our trusted flagger program we reserve the final decision on
whether to remove a video that gets flagged by any of these entities but we
benefit immensely from their expertise finally we go beyond enforcing our
policies by creating programs to promote counter speech examples of this work
include our creators for change program which supports YouTube creators who are
tackling issues like extremism and hate by building empathy and acting as
positive role models in addition Google's jigsaw group has developed the
redirect method which uses targeted ads and YouTube videos to disrupt online
radicalization it's important to note that hate speech removals can be
particularly complex compared to other types of content hate speech because it
often relies on spoken rather than visual cues is sometimes harder to detect
than some forms of branded terrorist propaganda it's intensely context
specific and it can be contentious as there's often disagreement on what could
be considered political speech on the opposite end over aggressive
enforcement can also inadvertently silence voices that are using the
platform to make them hurt make themselves heard on these important
issues often in this space we found that content can sit in a gray area that
comes right up against the line it may be offensive but it does not violate
YouTube's policies against incitement to violence and hate speech when this
occurs we've built a policy to drastically reduce the videos visibility
by making it ineligible for ads removing its comments and excluding it from our
recommendation system in particular we understand the issues around YouTube's
recommendation system may be top of mind this is why several months ago we also
updated our recommendation systems to begin reducing recommendations of even
more borderline content or content that can misinform users in harmful ways
in conclusion I'd like to end where I began Google builds its products for all users
from all political stripes around the globe the long-term success of our
business is directly related to our ability to earn and maintain the trust
of our users we have a natural and long-term incentive to make sure that
our products work for users of all viewpoints people will value these
services only as long as they continue to trust them to work well and provide
them with the most relevant and useful information that's why hate speech and
violent extremism have no place on YouTube now this clip is is really
interesting for a lot of reasons to me number one she's making it clear and you
know nobody cares in that Congress meeting because all those people are
probably like on drugs or something they don't really care but if you pay
attention what she's saying she's just literally playing giving the game plan
for YouTube they say that they're like working tirelessly to essentially shut
down anything that they claim is hate speech which again how do we even
determine what hate speech is I guess it's whatever pastor Menes preaches
because that's how Google writes their hate speech policy but she also said
something which I think is really interesting because they use all these
fancy acronyms and they try to sound really intelligent but she said
sometimes we rely on NGOs to help us identify the the videos in this speech
well NGO stands for non-governmental organization which just means any it
just means anyone basically I mean just hey we use the government and
non-government organizations so you're just saying you use anyone potentially
is what you just said and of course they're gonna use people like the SPLC
they're gonna use the ADL the Anti Defamation League they're gonna use
essentially just whatever private interest group that pays them a bunch of
money they're just gonna do their bidding and then claim it's hate speech
and get the silence whoever it is that they want but I you know I'd really like
to see if if they could give you the data it'd be interesting to see how many
videos they've censored of hate speech against Christians because of course
there's plenty of people that hate on the Bible the Lord Jesus Christ people
who believe the Bible pastor a minutes I mean I wonder how many videos have been
taken down for people saying hateful things about Pastor Jimenez you know
that would be an interesting list I think it probably be zero right and of
course it's it's fine to hate Pastor Jimenez like you said you said you were
literally the most hated person America it's hard to contest that I mean I feel
like even the Muslims hated you because they were hoping they were gonna get all
this glory and you took it away from like they're like they don't even care
about the guy that literally committed a massacre they care about a Baptist
preacher saying that he's not sad that it happened you know essentially and
it's just kind of crazy how they get to just shift the narrative and demonize
whoever they want and then claim at the same time that they don't hate anybody
it's just a giant hypocrisy that really just kind of goes unnoticed by them
because I think they're all just I think the news at this point is kind of paid
actors if you ask me but I wanted to get your thoughts on you know kind of the
things that she said it sounds like they're pretty active towards trying to
censor is coming up with creative ways I mean does it not feel that way that you
know there's really a full-scale attack and just basically this this system
that's going into place to try and really censor just Christianity in
general absolutely yeah and that she brought up which is the fact that not
are they shutting down our channels that's that's one thing but also they
are suppressing our channels so I we've that there are there's there's content
we put out and it just kind of seems like for the amount of subscribers we
have and kind of the things that we're used to seeing there there should be a
lot more views here there should be but one thing they can also do is they can
just hide you and suppress you so that they don't really take you off but
nobody really sees you unless they're looking for you so that's definitely
something that that they're doing as well and and like I said that that's why
we have to you know we could sit here and just have this defeated attitude
that says the whole world is hostile towards us and you know there's nothing
we can do about it and and the whole world definitely it feels like the world
is definitely hostile towards Bible believing Christians and even with the
point that you made about Muslims you know you're right that you would think
that there would be this hate against Islam instead of hate against me but it
just shows you that the media wants to hate Christianity they don't necessarily
care about other religions they want to hate Bible believing Christians and so
that's that's their agenda but we we have to just not have a defeated
attitude and you know we have to have an attitude like Paul said when you know he
said I labored more abundantly than they all and the truth is that you and I are
not going to get to be treated like all these liberal old IFP bastards that are
not preaching controversial things but we're gonna just labor more abundantly
than they all we're gonna work hard and work harder to get the message out and
and I'm not you know band but not bound it's just what we did I like to do
things that I understand and to me I understood an email list that made sense
to me gathering emails sending out links you know the problem with some of these
alternative social media sites is that they just don't get the traffic that
YouTube does so you can post videos there but they don't get as many views
but my thought was well if we could gather you know and as far as I'm
concerned we're just getting started I mean my goal for band but not bound
would be to have five thousand ten thousand fifteen twenty thousand
subscribers hundred thousand emails one day and my thought is this if we have to
start a brand new YouTube channel every week because they're just shutting us
down but we post a sermon on a YouTube channel with zero subscribers and we
email it to 50,000 people then I don't really care what the views are if they
shut us down every week we're still getting the message out so we just have
to work at it and there's other things you can do you know people talk to me
about blockchain and and and other things I think anything we can do I'm
all for it some of these things I'm not a techie guy some of these things I
don't really understand I get an email list but I'm I'm all for it I'm all for
figuring out how to get the Word of God out there and you know we did band but
not bound but that's not the the only thing you know I obviously the other
thing we have to remember is that social media is not the only way to get the
Word of God out there and obviously it's a big way and it technology we live in a
society we live in a world where technology is available to us so we
should use it in my opinion but you know obviously we do door-to-door soul
winning because the Bible says to do that but that's that's a way that you
can get the Word of God out something else that we started at our church was
just an alternative way to reach people is we started a prison ministry not not
not a traditional prison ministry like what you normally hear of a church going
into prisons we want to do that and we're trying to do that too but we've
had issues with that but but what we started was a mailing list for prisoners
and people that are in prison it started with with one guy that we was in prison
that was part of our church family and we wanted him to get sermons while he
was there so we started trans you know transcribing sermons and mailing them
because they they don't have access to the internet or YouTube or whatever and
and then he got somebody saved so we started doing it for a second guy and
they got another person saves we started doing it for a second guy and it just
kind of grew from there and today we have 303 people on our prison ministry
mailing list and every month they get to transcribe sermons from our church
303 inmates throughout the country that's that's an in my you know that's
an untapped ministry yeah get the Word of God out there and let me say this if
you're watching and you have a loved one or a family member a friend that's
that's incarcerated please email us their their address and we will get them
on that list info I've already Baptist calm and you know we we we transcribe
sermons and and then we we are staff guys once a month they get together and
we've got some young guys that volunteer from our church and they print them all
out and fold them and put them in envelopes and we have the mailing list
and the return address labels and the stamps they get it all together and mail
them out and you know that's that's another thing we're doing so it's not
all about social media but obviously social media is a big thing and we want
to continue to use that now I think that that's great and you know this hate
speech thing is just it's just really weird you know that's something you grew
up with Billin have you ever heard of hate I mean when did you hear about hate
speech I mean growing up even just in the 2000s I feel like a lot of the
things that you guys preach against we're still seen as a negative growing
up so it seems like it just happened overnight almost where you know I'm 24
years old yet when I was a kid even I feel like I'm in a different country now
then back then so it to me it just seems like it just blew up overnight in the
2010 2011 ish time but no growing up I had never heard of that well there's
gonna there's a lot of challenges you could kind of tell you know what she's
saying you know especially having a little bit of a tech background having
been a software developer so for several years you know they can't just
necessarily turn off certain words because sometimes the people that are
against us they use our words against us and so they just ban you know certain
words they'll just kick all kinds of people off of their YouTube platform and
they'll get mad at them or if they ban particular words sometimes people might
misspeak or their accents thick and they say a certain word and it sounds like
another one and then they get their YouTube video flag so they have to have
like this army of human people constantly watching our sermons I you
know it'd be cool is if when we get into heaven there's like this YouTube
moderator that was like so I hated you guys but I had to listen to so much of
your preaching I mean that would be so cool if we got that now we have some
work we have some more callers online I want to get see if we can get to them
Keith had called in and we've kept them on the line waiting a little bit so
apologize I hope that he's still there he didn't give up on us you got to be
steadfast when you're one of these callers okay Keith are you on the line
can you hear us hey yeah I'm here can you hear me all right yeah thanks for
calling in keys from Utah and didn't you say you had lived in California for a
little bit yeah just just about an hour or so from
pastor Mejia when he was in El Monte before he got blown up oh man so do you
have a question for us related to censorship or something you wanted to
share about censorship yeah I just wanted to say it's been great here in
the example so far and just out in Utah the town that I'm particularly in used
to be ran by a cult leader he's in prison now because he got caught and
proven in court to be a pedophile but he was an offshoot of the mainstream Mormon
Church and we're just about 12 miles south of Zion National Park to kind of
just give a reference for that he was such a wicked person he got on the FBI
his most wanted list he made it into the top ten when Osama bin Laden was still
on the list and the people in this community kind of turned a blind eye to
it they they bought into this perception that it was just persecution against him
instead of admitting the fact that he was just a pedophile what he had done
was he had groomed children as young as 12 years old and he had eventually
amassed over 70 wives in this massive compound in the desert and one of the
the big reasons that that's a big deal in Utah is because he got all of his
ideas from Joseph Smith who the church vehemently denies was involved in
polygamy even though he was doing a lot of the same things that the guy out here
was doing in the 2000s so I've just found it interesting talking to some
Mormons that are fundamentalists and Mormons that aren't fundamentalists it's
just kind of mind-blowing the the cognitive dissonance that's out out here
when it comes to that well and I guess the Mormons they exercise their own form
of censorship I've I've heard it online and I've kind of asked some Mormons and
they kind of conferred but they they literally won't listen to anything
that's negative about the Mormon Church and what I think is kind of interesting
is that's almost like what America is trying to do to itself they're trying to
become like the Mormons where they're not allowed to hear anything negative
nothing bad about America nothing bad about its politicians nothing bad about
the Democrat Party you know we're not allowed to preach the Bible and preach
against a certain community and you got to ask yourself if the Mormons can get
so weird to have 70 wives and become pedophiles I mean what's that gonna do
to America if we just get one narrative you know you can only hear one idea and
one essential essential program you know that type of censorship literally just
destroys an entire area whereas you know I don't feel like from the from a
biblical perspective you really see the idea of the sensor in fact I think of
Jeremiah in the Bible he even allows other preachers who are like just
literally a false prophet just get up and preach just to hear what they have
to say but then obviously if it's false he's gonna call him out but he doesn't
like stop them from even being able to just at least share whatever they were
gonna share he just allows them to condemn themselves by their own words
which you know it seems a pretty effective tool because whenever you
compare a truth or a lie that the lie just doesn't have a chance and that's
why these people want to censor the truth is because they know it's gonna
expose them for who they truly are like this cult leader you said is there and
Utah so thanks for sharing that story with us Keith and thanks for hanging on
the line do you have another quick question or I I just maybe one more
story with the same region so he actually ended up banning certain words
in the community and he also banned access to internet he banned different
colors that you couldn't wear or you do either not drag out of town basically by
little they have like a mini cartel police force that they would use against
people like that but it was like unlike anything you would see on any other
place in America but now you're it's kind of feeling like the internet is
like that where you know just because something's offensive to somebody I
think that it's going to be offensive to people that haven't heard it in a long
time or they're hearing it for the first time it might rub them the wrong way it
might make them uncomfortable it doesn't mean that they don't need to hear it
because the second people hear that what was really going on in a lot of
situations or when people realize the differences between what the LDS Church
teaches and what's actually in the Bible when you're just able to make that
difference with somebody it goes such a long way for them to say wow that was
really really refreshing and uncomfortable at the same time you can
kind of see them having that that thought battle back and forth in their
head just like man like what have I been told my whole life but that's really
what I like about just being able to share the truth with people and and
making a difference that way because when people are just so sheltered from
information it does nobody any good well thanks so much for calling in Keith I
didn't realize that colors could be hateful that's new to me he banned the
color red how are we gonna have the red hot preaching conference if we can't
even have the color yeah well thanks for calling in have a good night and
have you ever heard about someone banning the color red pastor Venice no
that's first I've heard of that that's pretty crazy well you got the square in
Moscow and art Russians man yeah well you know it's it's crazy the what you've
been bringing up pastor Shelley is so true it's crazy that we live in the
United States of America and a country that prides itself on freedom of speech
and that's exactly what is being censored is free speech right now I just
saw a quote recently from the the CEO of Twitter he's a thing he's like an Indian
guy or something but he literally just says that like forget about freedom of
speech we're only allowing the things that we like and that we allow and it's
just crazy it's it's it's the world and and it's happening here in the USA it's
right it's insanity so what's the point of having the First Amendment if every
single business just decides not to allow the First Amendment to even exist
I mean it's like doesn't the First Amendment say that there should be no
law passed I mean and obviously that's from a governmental perspective and I
get that but I mean how much are we gonna blur the lines between the the
laws that the government is allowed to have and enforce with just all these
companies who are essentially monopolies propped up by the government funded by
the government you know intertwined with the politicians who are making these
laws and then say like oh but it's a private business you know it's like that
argument doesn't really you know hold any water and again it to me it
almost seems like we're just becoming a giant cult of personality there's just a
few men behind the curtain whoever they are that I guess get to decide some NGO
you know that tells Google what to do you know is that is that George Soros I
mean who even know this is who is this person that's deciding what's hateful I
venture to believe everything is hateful to someone and so it's really kind of a
dangerous society that we're getting towards if we don't have anybody
standing up for free speech and you know there is some people that are you know
maybe not quite our brand of Christian or maybe not even Christian that are
fighting supposedly for free speech and there's a lot of these quote-unquote
alternative platforms but I've noticed that on these quote alternative
platforms they still don't want our level of free speech like they claim
that they're free speech but like rumble you know I put up the sodomite deception
and it got taken down faster than YouTube took it down oh really Wow yeah
I or we put up you know our sermons or information you know like even that
Christian app they're like Oh YouTube censoring Christians and I'm like well
here's what I preach and here's our contents like well we can't have that
and it's just like it doesn't seem like anybody actually believes in free speech
and right or which is kind of a sad day for America because you're really not
limiting hate speech you're just limiting the truth right we have another
caller Peter James is is calling in and I think that he has a plug-in that has
to do with pastor minutes here too but Peter are you on the line can you hear
us yeah hey how are you guys great thanks for calling in hey Peter how you
doing hey pastor Jimenez how are you I'm good good to hear your voice yes so so
you guys are talking about censorship yes sir you got a good we got a question
or a story for us well you know I've been censored on Facebook a lot when I
just post basic opposition to like you know sodomite brainwashing of children
and that kind of thing and it becomes more rampant but now they ban my main
Facebook account so I can't even plug the Northeast new IFP conference night
that's happening and plug it have you heard about that pastor Shelley over
there steadfast I feel like I need to hear more about it why don't you tell
us well if you haven't heard pastor Jimenez who you have on the program
tonight is going to be out here preaching on June 10th in New Jersey and
that hasn't been censored yet and not only is pastor Jimenez is going to be
here preaching also pastor Aaron Thompson will be here as well and that's
on a Friday night June 10th and then on June 11th we're gonna have a soul
winning marathon so I'm trying to spread the word abroad for this event it's
gonna be exciting I've been excited about it and I'm looking forward to it
well we want to fight that that Facebook censorship and give information out
there sounds like a dynamic duo and that's gonna be great too bad I'm like I
don't know 25 hours away from New Jersey like that but well I know that pastor
Jimenez must have a lot more love than then he gets credit for if he's willing
to come from sunny California to New Jersey here yeah nice in the summer
there isn't it nice in New Jersey in the summertime oh well let me just say this
like it gets a bad rap and we joke about it but New Jersey is a great state the
great state of New Jersey it is the Garden State got four good seasons it's
but the thing is it's March right now in New Jersey and that's when we get you
know those bitter those bitter windy cold that bitter windy cold but other
than that I like how the we have the four distinct seasons they're not too
extreme but people think it's just drab dreary kind of state but you know I like
living in New Jersey but yeah I'm really excited that a pastor Jimenez coming
out here to visit and and pastor Thompson that's gonna be awesome I'm
trying to prepare things yeah hopefully a big crowd how do if someone has any
questions about it how do they contact or who do they need to contact or is
there an email or something they can contact me they they can email me at
East Coast Baptist one at gmail.com also there's information about it's called
the Northeast new IP conference night and there's information about it on the
Verity Baptist Church YouTube channel also on the pillar and ground YouTube
channel sure foundation Baptist Church YouTube channel you know it pastor
Thompson posted about it as well but you know I'm really excited you know one
thing I'm really excited about is that we have two church planting pastors
coming and because that you know that's basically my vision and my hope for this
part of the country is that the church is planted out here in my lifetime but
it's been really you know one thing that's been really delightful like as a
Christian to see is basically seeing other people's you know growth and their
progression and seeing you know how you know God is using them and and yeah so
pastor Jimenez sent out pastor Thompson and you know you have one church planting
pastor who sent out a pastor who is now a church planting pastor and the fruit
of the righteous is a tree of life you know there's lots of trees you know we
have a couple trees of life coming over here hopefully we can get hopefully get
churches planted over here as well in the future yeah I mean obviously the
East Coast needs the gospel really bad and you know we need more people that
are willing to go out to these parts the Garden State so maybe maybe your
conference can plant some seeds and some young men's hearts that want to maybe
reach that demographic reach that area and I know I listened to a podcast one
time and someone said that California's the front lines and that Texas is like
where you go to just relax well I think you're proving us wrong no no no one
ever wants to come to California because it's so tough and I think you're proving
that uh they maybe they should come to California and get a break from all the
persecution there in Texas so well you know I know people are given Texas a bad
rep but I did see that they recently appointed in California's the first state
to have an openly transgender job man and so I know I know the judges over
here get a bad rep but I have a bad feeling that if I had to go get evicted
in front of that judge probably wouldn't do very good right so I hadn't heard
that it's just that's actually the first I've heard of that so I'm gonna look
into that and make a short about that but um you know I do want to say that I
I'm really excited about going to New Jersey and if anybody lives in New
Jersey New York or driving distance surrounding area come out and see us
that's June 10th Friday night I'll be preaching pastor Thompson be preaching
looking forward to spending time with pastor Thompson and miss Sherry and I'm
gonna bring it out my entire family my wife and all my kids we're gonna be
there for that Friday night and for the Saturday soul winning and it's gonna be
it's gonna be a great time and I've known Peter for a long time he recently
sent me a text with a picture of when I baptized him and I don't know when that
was was that two thousand I don't Peter still on the line it might have been
2015 or 14 or something like that yeah that was that would have been August
2000 2014 yeah so we've known each other for a long time and I love brother Peter
and he's been coming out to the red-hot preaching conference for years and every
year he's been asking me about preaching in New Jersey and I always
have an excuse why I can't but this last time he he asked me again and I said
let's do it so I'm looking forward to it I think it's gonna be a great trip hey
persistence is key there that's right you know yeah there's a poor widow you
know it's like it's like yeah you know I'm bothering my friend but you know
because of his importunity he's gonna well I you know I really do I truly do
appreciate that a lot and you know I I trust that you know I trust that you
know my fellow Christians you know believe the scriptures the same way I do
and I know that they believe in going you know I believe that I when I ask God
I receive and I believe Christians you know they have spirit of God in their
hearts and that they want you know to they have like the Word of God that says
you know if someone compels you to go a mile go with them Twain but you're going
you're going a lot farther than that you're going like 3,000 miles like so
does that mean he has to go to China like if you go if you're willing to go
to New Jersey you have to go all the way to the Philippines it's great yeah I'm
really excited and I appreciate it and it's gonna be a good appetizer to the
red-hot preaching conference this summer I think well that's really exciting
sorry about your Facebook censorship I think that's something that almost
everybody's probably experienced at this point you know anybody that shares
anything that has any kind of teeth to it it seems like face of Facebook will
put you in jail for just about anything and we're not even just talking about
Christians it seems like everybody's kind of experiencing this this
censorship and to me it almost seems like everybody's kind of sick of it like
everybody kind of hates it a little bit but at the same time they just kind of
going with the flow and you know I don't know what new technologies or new things
that we can invent in the future obviously technology we've benefited a
lot from but I guess it's possible technology may not necessarily continue
to be the fruitful you know harvest that we've had and the one thing that
still works is going in person you know you're not gonna not hear pastor a
minute sermon when you have to show up in New Jersey it was a June 10 yep June
10 and and you hear him in person yeah I'll quick I'll give the I'll give the
exact meetup details to both days before I hang up but you know the thing about
that is and Dylan quoted before Psalm 2 about you know the the rulers setting
themselves taking counsel against the Lord and against his anointed but you
know and and you know saying for it let us break their bands asunder but what's
funny about that is how you know he that's it it's in the heavens shall laugh
the Lord shall have them in derision so what what's been so great is like seeing
that you know these you know this new world order or whatever how you know and
this satanic system how they have all this you know this they're meaning all
this for evil and they have all these plans for the technology but God is is
basically just like you know let's see how many people I can you know we'll see
the Bible way to heaven and like you know let me and seeing Christians use
these tools and the tools that they're given in this generation and no and we
know that the gospel is going to be preached in you know in the in the last
days and even though like wickedness is going to abound you know great works for
God are going to be done so that's why you can kind of just relax about it even
though it's it's so strange seeing this you know your country being given over
to these delusions of you know and and literally like having a demented
president and who is just you know like who should we elect to the Supreme Court
I know I know who's gonna be caught what the qualification should be as long as
it's a black woman that's who we're choosing and you know we're gonna have a
trans admiral we're gonna you know we're gonna take this tranny and we're gonna
honor them with all these these like you know these honors and these accolades
and then just getting you know a normal person stating their opinion you know
these people have control over these systems that disseminate disseminate
information and you know they can censor information and you know these weird
blue-haired Marxist they're the ones in control of it it's so weird you know I
guess I don't have to worry about it right I feel like I keep hearing this
song less now that proud to be an American it's like how much longer can
they even play that song good I mean with the way that our country's turning
it's just you know I don't even know how people can be patriotic anymore I'm just
hoping the original and beta's cuz at least you know he's not gonna put up
with the transvestites that is Dylan's hope it's an interesting hope but I
don't think it's gonna happen I'm sorry yeah you might have to prepare but you
know what it's more likely the Kamala is gonna be in charge exactly but you know
I like that attitude brother Peter because honestly the censorship
definitely does affect us don't get us wrong it is a headache it is a headache
you know putting in months and months of labor into a building and going through
all the legal processes for months and months and getting evicted in a country
where we thought we had the First Amendment that is very frustrating you
know it's very frustrating when you get your banking shut down it's very
frustrating when people don't want to work with you but you know just so the
audience is aware steadfast Baptist Church is doing great you know we were
we were four people shy of breaking our tenants record this Sunday morning in a
temporary meeting space you know compared to the number that we had in
our building before between Thursday and Saturday our church had 76 salvations
tons and tons of soul winners and it's all by God's grace but I like what
brother Peter said you know at the end God's gonna have the last laugh and you
know as long as we're doing what we're supposed to be doing we really can sit
back and relax because we're watching our church you know we're watching we're
seeing with our own eyes how true the Bible is that the more they afflict us
the more we grow just like in the book of Exodus and so even though it is a
headache if we have to suffer the headache of censorship so that more
people will be saved so that we can continue to preach the Word of God then
that's worth it if you ask me yeah I mean with the censorship we kind of have
to put this in perspective of historical biblical situations you know the Apostle
Paul didn't have his YouTube channel shut down you know the these guys in the
Bible you know to meet technology is kind of like sugar is like the cherry on
top you know the gospel has been preached person to person for the last
few thousand years you know it wasn't being disseminated online and while I'm
all for online I love you know being able to put our sermons up and people
can watch them later and they don't have to miss that content you know we really
need to still embrace traditional methods of going to church in person
going out and knocking the doors preaching the gospel and of course you
know I don't think that the censorship is gonna stop with the online you know
eventually they're gonna get to the point where they're trying to stop the
physical meetings yeah and you know the the devil inhabiting the anti-crisis is
gonna cause you to not even be able to buy or sell literally and so we're not
really looking to a bright future in fact we're really headed towards the
Antichrist a great falling away and we need people to get plugged in because I
feel like it's ticking time bomb online I don't know how much longer we're gonna
be able to have a major impact I think that we're gonna still be able to slip
through the cracks and we're gonna still be able to do cool things like your band
but not found email list and other methods but you know there's nothing
to replace the physical in person going to church preaching the gospel out you
know knocking doors and and even just the people you interact with I got a text
message from a friend who just said that they got one of their co-workers saved
and you know they said that's a really cool experience that they're able to
share with the people that they know in their personal lives getting family
members say we had Colin last week where someone was talking about how they got a
bunch of their family members saved and and so that's what we need is people to
start talking to their family members to their co-workers to their neighbors
going to their church getting plugged in preaching the gospel and making an
impact where they're at locally that's how you really fight this censorship
that's how you really combat this evil and you need to get out there June 10th
New Jersey Peter James real zealous soul winner great lineup pastor Menes
pastor Thompson and you know I thanks for that plug do you have another
question Peter you want to you want to ask us I don't have any more questions
but you know I totally agree with everything you said I believe God is
never he's never gonna leave us without the tool to preach the gospel you know
even as as dark as things get you know and even as close to the end as we get I
think we're always gonna have what God thinks we need to accomplish what he
wants in that time so you know and it's like you said they can't stop us from
you know if they take away our Facebook that's fine it's just like it's like a
digital detox for 30 days it's fine to be banned for Facebook but you know they
take away your YouTube they you know they then you have your emailing list
and if they take that away you know you meet in church and you know you can go
to your friend's house you can call them you can go out and knock knock doors no
no one can stop you from walking up to somebody and giving them the gospel and
you know that's what that's the goal of the weekend in June we really just want
to corral corral some soul winners and some zealous believers there's and you
know I know they they're out here we just want to remind them that you know
God's you know God is still on the throne he needs to be needs to be served
and you know we want to kind of inspire people to get back out there and go soul
winning you know I do I believe it's really important to I believe that the
Bible emphasizes and in the New Testament especially continuing in in
you know what you've learned if you've been given something good if you've been
taught something that's good and right and godly and and God used you know
certain people who are on the right path and you know churches and you know his
people to teach you the right way you know you you should stick with that and
consider that and not be so quick to just you know turn away from that you
know forsake people who've taught you and you know I think you know there's
there's just blood there's blessings for staying the course so you know we want
to see what God can do out here if we work with what we have if Pastor
Jimenez and Pastor Thompson they come out in June and a lot of people show up
and God sees that people are interested in serving the Lord out here God willing
you know you know I just need to I want to know people who know people who know
people that you know one day want to come start churches in New Jersey so
that's the plan here but if there's no interest God might not necessarily invest
in New Jersey so I'm trying to you know cultivate that harvest here in New
Jersey the best the best I can and with my friends over here well I hope that
you know churches get started over there too and thanks again for calling in we
really appreciate you being on the line and I look forward to seeing you again
hopefully at the right out preaching conference if not some other day some
other place good to see continue on you Peter so it's really good to hear from
you too and I'll catch up with you more and it was really good talking to you
guys thanks for having me yeah thanks I we did have another question I saw put
in the chat and someone kind of just asked you think the censorship is gonna
kind of ramp up you know one thing that's interesting is even though
obviously some of our friends and some Baptists have been persecuted I've seen
this in a lot of places even not just like our circles there's a guy named
Andrew Torba who created like a an alternative social media site called gab
and that guy's been severely shut down I saw an article it said that he had been
shut down at his fifth bank in a row in like a really short period of time I
think was just only a few weeks and they're getting like all of their
accounts shut down just basically they can't even bank this business because
it's just basically disseminating too much truth and you know I don't know
exactly what they believe I don't even know if Torba's necessarily saved I know
that he's a Christian and that he's pretty unashamed about being a Christian
but you know it doesn't matter any level of Christianity is just being censored
he can't even be on the App Store I don't believe I've been on gab but you
know it's just hard for sometimes for these things to even take traction
because if they want to shut you down they're gonna get you shut down and
that's why I think you got to go back to the traditional methods because again
the banned but not bound email list if you think about the story it's the
Apostle Paul's put in prison and he's saying hey the gospel didn't stop when I
went to prison you guys need to go out and preach the gospel you know it's not
all that gets the gospel out the Christians get out the gospel and you
know even if god forbid you know they shut down steadfast Baptist Church or
did something a very Baptist Church you know we're not the end stop of the
gospel or the preaching of God's Word we need other people other like-minded
Christians to be stirred up and and to preach the truth and a boldness and have
courage and to basically not be ashamed Jesus Christ be ashamed of his word what
is kind of your feeling for the future and just this area pastor Menes what are
you kind of preparing your church in any way or well yeah absolutely you know
one thing that I want to say is that the Bible says there's no new thing under
the Sun and the truth is that censorship in the way we're seeing it seems new to
us right now obviously with social media and all that stuff but censorship is not
new I mean if you remember in the Gospel of Luke the Lord Jesus Christ his very
first sermon when he really launched his ministry after his baptism they tried to
throw him off the cliff you know and then you've got Stephen of course he's
preaching the Word of God and they stone him to death but so so people's trying
to stop true Christianity is not new it happened to Jesus I mean they ended up
crucifying our Savior so that so the council culture has been around for a
long time what I think is funny is that people look at us and they'll say like
you're not a real Christian Christians aren't supposed to hate and it's like
well you obviously have never read the Gospels you've never read the book of
Acts you've never read I mean literally Paul has these Jews following him around
trying to get him thrown out of every city trying to get him shut down trying
to get him canceled he Paul you know people will look at like my church or
your church and say well you guys there must be something wrong with you if
you're getting sued and it's like have you read the last part of the book of
Acts I mean the whole end of it is just like court case after court case he's
just being brought by all these different people so you know we're
living New Testament Christianity it's just New Testament Christianity has a
lot of persecution and issues is the reality and people need to start reading
the Bible and realize that so but I do obviously I do see it getting worse and
worse like you said we were moving towards a one-world government a
one-world religion we're moving towards a world that is so under control that
they can control who can buy and sell so obviously it's not it's it's it's not
gonna better and in regards to in regards to that and it really is
ingenious what our country has done because you know usually it used to be
when I was a kid people would talk about the government and fearing the government
and we should fear the government I mean you know we obviously we should be
worried about the government and in regards to what they're doing but you
know we have laws in this country that say that you can't create laws against
free speech so what the government has done is they've allowed these private
companies to control the dissemination of speech in the world and now they're
able to kind of stand back and support these wicked companies like Facebook and
YouTube and Google and whatever and and and they don't have to follow these laws
of free allowing free speech because they're quote-unquote private companies
private entities or whatever it's it's this culture that has been developed to
make sure that they can control speech that they can control information and we
have to like you said we have to fight against it but we also we need to try to
be cutting edge with technology and with our thoughts you know the thing about
Christian Christianity has always been on the has always used the cutting edge
of technology I mean go back to William Tyndale and the invention of the
printing press and that was used by Chris
big Baptist churches like you know Jack Hiles and Curtis Hudson and
Lee Roberson these guys they had these mailing lists where they would tape the
sermons from their churches and they would physically mail them out every
week or every other week or every month to all these mailing lists that they had
and I thought you know that's kind of what gave me the idea for the band but
not bad obviously we're not gonna send tapes out but to get email list and send
links yeah well we may have to do that as well we could always send out
transcribed sermons yeah and you know people might just have to learn how to
read again right and get back to reading you know too but but like you said God
did not call I mean I'm all for using all that but God called us to local New
Testament churches and you know when John the Baptist was preaching people
came out to the wilderness to hear him preach and I just believe you know if
they take us off the internet which I'm not sure that they will or when they
will or whatever it might be one of the best things that ever happened to our
churches I mean I I go soloing in Sacramento I can't tell you how many
times I've not doors I mean I've literally been like down the street from
our church knock on a door the door opens and I'm like hi we're coming from
Verity Baptist Church and the person's like oh I know who you are pastor
Jimenez I watch you on YouTube and they they literally live down the street from
our church and don't come to our church and and and I mean I've had stuff like
that happen a lot and in you know they take us down from YouTube then maybe
well maybe people will actually get their rear ends in the house of God
which wouldn't be a bad thing so like you said I don't you know they they one
great way to not have the sermons canceled is for you to go you know to
New Jersey to the preaching night be there you know if you don't mind let me
plug the red hot preaching conference in July which pastor Shelley is gonna be
preaching at the Red Hot Preaching Conference we have a great lineup this
year of course pastor Anderson pastor Mejia pastor Thompson pastor Jones is is
invited to come and pastor burzins is coming he hasn't came in a few years but
he's coming and pastor bazarn ski I hope I'm not forgetting anyone else but uh
we're we're we're gonna have a great lineup and here's the thing about the
Red Hot Preaching Conference is we can't stream it on our main channel because it
gets shut down we have to set up a secondary channel which if you want to
be able to watch the Red Hot Preaching Conference live stream go to band but
not bound calm sign up to our email list because we will disseminate the link
through there and if it gets shut down we'll start up another account and send
it that way but here's a great you know so we'll do our best to get the
information out there but here's a great way to not miss it just come come to the
Red Hot Preaching Conference and it's this year July 14th through the 17th so
you know we'd love we'd love you to come to to Red Hot of course amen and you
know that's absolutely right if you're anywhere near Sacramento California you
need to go to Verity Baptist Church and and especially if you can't just make it
to every service you need to come to the Red Hot Preaching Conference it's the
greatest conference of the year I've been there almost every single year I
kicked myself because of course I didn't make the first year and I I was like I
asked a whole bunch of people and at church I said hey who wants to go with
me I'll carpool and I couldn't find anyone and I just didn't make the drive
by myself I should just driven by myself let's be honest and but I made it the
next year and I made it almost I think almost every year since then I think the
year that I had to start pure words Baptist Church I was I can't remember I
came here right I'm gonna missed one of those years there too but great
conference great spirit I think they had over 500 last year and I wouldn't be
surprised if it's a bigger number of course you know with kovat and things
like that it kind of dampened some people's plans right but I think a lot
of people are kind of over that now and I wouldn't be surprised if this
conference grows to where it's literally thousands in the future it's it's one of
the most anticipated events people love it every single time I've ever gone
everybody seems to have a great time and they have a lot of great activities
it's where I met my wife hey some people get married to single guys out there and
you know I know they had they had a football competition last year they had
a ping-pong competition I I think the person that won was from what was the
church yeah who in the ping-pong okay well well you know you know just like
Google put out new laws as a result of my preaching we might have to put out
new laws as a result of steadfast Baptist Church because you guys brought
these professional ringers in and you know you you paid them to I'm sure you
paid them to fly out to the conference and and the good thing is we got them
saved while they were here no I'm just I have to say that you know we did have
a couple guys from her church come they were in the final finals in fact there's
another person in the finals I think it was just all steadfast finals once we
got to the last three people and the competition I had to gracefully bow out
and but steaming others better than yourself yeah exactly but I did not pay
a single dollar I don't think for these men's trips so you know they were just
there and they're definitely welcoming of the next ping-pong you know game if
we have that again I don't know if you're bringing that well you know the
first year we did football and and we lost that to sure foundation and then
the second year we did other than that you know at the year after that we did
ping-pong and we lost that to steadfast so we're just gonna keep changing it
till we find something we can win at so I think this year we're doing water
polo no I'm just we're doing ping-pong again and table all right it's just
football was nice but it was just it was a lot of work and being outside and
all of that it worked out really well with the table tennis because we were
able to do in our fellowship Hall and people had a good time and the ladies
were more interested in that than football too so the kids were able to
participate which they weren't able to participate with football so we're gonna
do table tennis again so but yeah we had some great you had some great kiddos in
the table tennis some youngsters were really tearing it up and ping-pong and
so I look forward to seeing how the competition goes again this year and we
really appreciate you putting on that conference I know it's a lot of work and
a lot of effort but you know what you can't get censored when you're at the
clients and you're here and you're hearing it live you know that's the best
way to hear sermons is in person that's how it's always been done it's how it's
gonna continue to be done and while they can definitely shut down a lot of things
as long as we got breath in our lungs we're gonna keep preaching and that's
what God's called us to do I really appreciate you coming on the show I know
there's so much more we could talk about but I feel like we've taken a lot of
your time already and we really appreciate you coming on for one last
podcast this season and I know it's probably better than other podcasts in
California but I do at least appreciate you coming on the show and supporting
our church to Pastor Menes has been a supporter of steadfast Baptist Church
and they've done a lot for our church emotionally financially sending
preachers to to fill pulpits and you got a great staff over there I really can't
recommend very Baptist Church enough and then it's a great spirit and obviously
all are doing a great job over there I can't imagine being in Sacramento
California the weather's beautiful I'm just not a California guy but you know
what I would move there for a very Baptist Church amen so you know to me
that's the appeal of Sacramento is Verity to some people it's the it's the
one blemish and to me it's the one bright spot and so I really appreciate
the work they all are doing out there and if you have any final comments I'll
let you kind of give us you know your final concluding thoughts here pastor
Menes yeah thank you
so you have a great church there and and I know you've been you've been getting
hit a lot in a lot of different ways
and I got I got him saved I got baptized I performed his wedding and so hopefully
the the tree is known by his fruit so hopefully he's uh he's he's making me
look good over there but I know he is and we love brother Dylan pastor Thompson
of course everyone and I appreciate you having us on and you know I just want to
encourage people to keep fighting the good fight and definitely get in a local
church find a good church in your area and get connected that is the number one
plan and and you know when it comes to censorship and how we're gonna fight it
I'm all for looking for alternative ways and and different trying different
things but at the other day the best way to fight censorship is to have ordained
preachers sent out to start local churches and if we can have a new IFB
church in every city in this country they can't stop us they could stop me
you know they could stop you they could stop individuals but they they can't
stop all of us and that's really what we need is church planning soul winning
preaching the Word of God using every available means but at the end I
realizing that the answer is the local New Testament Church well thank you so
much for coming on get in a very Baptist Church and if you come back maybe we can
give you you know a better been we just kind of just working on our bench
players here but thanks so much I missed them yeah I will thanks so much for for
coming on and we'll throw it over to Dylan do you have any final thoughts for
us yeah just a couple things first of all thank you very much pastor minutes
we're coming on you know like you said you got me saved baptized me you married
me and my wife and so I really do look up to you and you definitely mean a lot
to me I look up to you as a leader and I just appreciate all the work you've
done and honestly you've changed my life so keep doing the great work I'm sure
that many other people have that testimony and you know like you said we
just have to keep preaching and since this is the Baptist bias I want to read
some scripture here because there was a point where people wanted Jesus Christ
to shut his mouth and they weren't just threatening to you know take him off
YouTube or kick him out of his building was actually a lot worse than that in
John 5 he had just healed a man and in John 15 it says the man departed and
told the Jews that it was Jesus which had made him whole and therefore did the
Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him because he had done these things on
the Sabbath day so Jesus he wasn't just facing you know being deplatformed
people were literally trying to kill him and sometimes we have to put things in
perspective of the level of persecution that we're facing now versus the level
of persecution that we can face in the future but what was the Lord Jesus
Christ's reaction in verse 17 you know did he cower did he stop preaching did
he apologize he said but Jesus answered them my father worketh hitherto and I
work he just kept preaching just like these pastors are saying that's the
answer when Jesus Christ was faced with persecution with people wanting to shut
him up he didn't shut up he didn't let them stop him he kept preaching and
guess what it did cost him his life eventually but you know what if he
wouldn't have done that none of us could be saved and so that might even be the
level of persecution that God may require of us and of our generation so
that other people would be saved and what we need to do is we need to pray
for boldness because it's real easy to just say oh yeah keep preaching you know
even if it's up to death that's real easy to say but I have to imagine that
that's a whole nother thing to actually do and so you know church members
watching this what you can be doing is being is to be praying for your pastor
praying for the people that are preaching the Word of God that they'll
have the boldness and you know us ourselves as preachers praying for
ourselves that we would continue to have the boldness to preach the Word of God
and there's one more thing that I'd like to plug before we sign off and that is
next month April 22nd through the 25th is going to be a soul-winning marathon
put on by Sure Foundation Baptist Church in Detroit Michigan I'm gonna be going
to this I know Deacon Corbin Russell is going to be going to this and many other
people are going to be going it's a great soul-winning marathon to go to
especially if you've never been to one before especially because the tickets
are so cheap because no one wants to go to Detroit for any other reason and I
got my plane tickets for less than 200 bucks so if you want to learn how to
preach the gospel or you want to just have some receptive soul-winning come
out with us to Detroit Michigan April 22nd to the 25th to preach the gospel
well thanks so much for tuning in to the Baptist bias you can check us out on all
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obviously we're trying to be on YouTube and Facebook as much until they
censor us and of course the Jews didn't like how many subscribers Jesus was
getting right they were afraid he was gonna eventually have them all so they
had to crucify him and of course they're gonna constantly try to shut us down but
we're gonna keep fighting and I look forward to season two we're gonna have a
lot of good ideas and a great show hopefully maybe we can have some guests
back on the show maybe pastor men is back on the show for a future episode
but that's gonna do it for us for season one thanks so much for tuning in
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