Joining us for a live stream where we recap the last debate that we had, I'm actually
joined in studio with Ben the Baptist.
We didn't replace you this time.
How's it going, Ben?
Going great.
Thanks for having me on the recap show tonight.
I'm excited to talk about that epic encounter last Thursday.
And we might even get a surprise drop-in guest.
Let's not reveal who it is, total surprise.
I'm excited to get some other opinions in here too, but what did you think about the
show?
The fireworks, I had my eyes glued to it the entire time, and we'll get into it here.
I think we have our surprise ready to go, Pastor Shelley, whenever you want to transition
to them.
But I will say that this live stream, if I can encapsulate it in one thought, it's this
right here.
The debate this past Thursday night shows you the manifestation of the wickedness of
Christ-hating Judaism and Christ-hating Jews.
You got to see for yourself just how much they hate the Lord Jesus Christ and just how
much blasphemy is bubbling up in their heart that they couldn't help but spew out throughout
the entire stream.
Well, we definitely have another person that I want to get their perspective on.
He wasn't in the debate, but he did watch some of it.
Pastor Anderson, how's it going?
It's going great.
How are you doing?
Doing great.
Thanks for joining us.
I know you got to check out some of the stream from the other night.
What did you think about it?
Well, those Jews are just super annoying to listen to.
One thing is that it seemed like they got a lot more airtime, or I don't know if just
time flies when you're having fun.
So when we were listening to the Christians talk, it just goes by faster.
But it just seemed like I was just spending so much time listening to just that Byron
guy drone on and on.
And the guy claims to be a Christian, but he doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ.
So he flat out said that Jesus isn't God.
And then he literally believes that Jews are saved and going to heaven without believing
in Jesus.
So I think just about anybody who is, you know, orthodox in their doctrine, who's who's
an evangelical Christian or Baptist would know that this guy is clearly not saved and
that he's a crypto Jew, he's a Jew who's pretending to be a Christian.
And you know, the stuff that he was teaching was absolute nonsense.
It was hard for me to have any sympathy towards Byron's position and opposed to the Jewish
position.
And maybe that's wrong.
But it's almost like I kind of understand how the Jew doesn't, you know, accept the
New Testament.
But it's weird how a Christian supposedly, someone that claims to believe in Jesus is
also rejecting the New Testament.
I mean, that just seems like an extra level of just like, idiocracy or something.
But what was your perspective on a Christian, just kind of just not regarding the New Testament?
I mean, yeah, here's what I think.
I think that maybe one good thing about this is that it'll cause the Judaizers that are
not as extreme as Byron because Byron is just so extreme in his view.
He's like John Hagee levels of Judaizing.
You know, hopefully this kind of caricature of being a Judaizer will kind of wake up some
people who are watching who have those tendencies and help them realize like, I don't want
to go down this road.
This doesn't make any sense because independent fundamental Baptist in general, they kind
of lean the way that that Byron guy does in a lot of ways, constantly making excuses for
Jews acting like they have some special knowledge about the Old Testament or something.
And it always blows my mind when people somehow think that modern Jews have insight about
scriptures that were written 3500 years ago or 3000 years ago that they somehow have some
special insight because they're a Jew now or because they speak modern Hebrew now.
And so that, you know, he's calling them the Jewish fathers of faith.
And, and at one point you or Pastor Jimenez said, like, you know, so I should be thankful
to Adam King like, yeah, yeah, you should.
But you know what, that's like saying I should be thankful to Joe Biden for giving me my
freedoms in America, you know, because without Joe Biden, I wouldn't have any freedom in
America.
So basically, the equivalent, you know, the people who gave us those freedoms gave them
to us a long time ago.
Obviously, it's kind of like the reparations argument for slavery.
It's like none of these people have ever been slaves, but we need to like give them money.
And like, I'm a slave owner, even though I never had any slaves.
Well, and one of the most annoying things with Adam King is how he just peppers in these
little like, Hebrew phrases and these little Hebrew buzzwords throughout the broadcast,
just to make it seem like he's just so deep in with the Hebrew language or something.
But the type of stuff that he dropped throughout the broadcast, and I'm not claiming to be
an expert in Hebrew, but yeah, this is the perfect meme that you have on the screen here.
You know, he's just like, you know, oh, you got to have something called, you know, "maim
chaim."
You know, but the funny thing is like, he acts like "maim chaim" is some special, mystical
thing because what's going on is that this word literally means "living water," okay?
Because "maim" means "water" and "chaim" means "living."
It's sort of like whenever Jews are toasting with alcohol, they say "lechaim," like to
life.
They toast to life.
That's what they say instead of like "cheers."
So "maim chaim" is actually just running water.
That's how the King James Bible translates this phrase.
It's just running water.
It's not some special, magical, you know, special thing of, you know, like living water,
like something like that.
It's just literally running water.
It's water that's not stagnant, right?
Now obviously in the New Testament, when Jesus Christ is talking about living water, he is
talking about something spiritual, but he's not talking about a physical beverage.
When Jesus says, "I'm going to give you the drink of living water," it's not like you
can go buy that somewhere.
It's not like it's being bottled by some priest somewhere, you know, "holy water" or something.
You know, that's bogus.
The living water is a metaphor, okay, but this guy just peppers in all these little
phrases like, you know, "maim chayim," because running water just doesn't sound as exciting.
You got to have running water.
Well, we all have running water, I guess we're good to go.
But also just anyone with literally like one semester of Hebrew would understand like virtually
everything that he said.
It was all just these really like basic, it's sort of like, you know, if we grew up around
Spanish culture, we all kind of know what "hasta la vista" means.
You know, we know what a piñata is, a burrito, tostada.
I needed Arnold to explain that to me, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
We could all say like, you know, "Oye, como va" or something, you know, like, like he grew
up around all this Jewish stuff.
So he basically has all these little Jewish buzz phrases.
I'll tell you right now, just based on listening to the guy, the guy is not a fluent modern
Hebrew speaker.
I thought I heard someone say that he claims that that's his native language or something.
He's clearly an American Jew who's just gotten around a bunch of like Jewish stuff and been
around the Jewish culture.
Obviously he grew up with the religion and whatever, but he's not pronouncing words in
their proper modern Hebrew pronunciation.
He's pronouncing them like somebody who just like read them out of a book, but isn't really
actually hearing these things in like Israel or something.
It's more like the way Jews in New York would just kind of say these things.
Is this like the Erasmian pronunciation of Greek?
It's not even that because there are some like archaic pronunciations that people use
for biblical Hebrew, but they're not really that different from modern Hebrew.
He was just kind of putting accents on the wrong syllables and just kind of, you know...
So just like when Ben speaks, basically.
He just kind of had this kind of like mazel tov kind of pronunciation, like not really...
He's clearly not a fluent speaker, but even if he were, which he clearly is not a fluent
speaker of modern Hebrew, modern Hebrew is a simplification of biblical Hebrew.
It's a much simpler language.
And so, you know, I wanted to weigh in on this thing that kind of came up at the very
end because you guys didn't really have a chance to talk about it, but this thing came
up at the very end with 2 Samuel 8.18, where they were claiming that the sons of David
were priests.
Yeah.
Yeah, I wanted to get your opinion on that for sure.
I was going to ask you.
Yeah, because of the fact that the Hebrew word that comes up there, Cohen, which everybody
knows that word just as a last name that Jews will often have, like Leonard Cohen or something,
right?
So, you know, a lot of people are probably familiar with that word.
Well, yeah, in modern Hebrew, it just means priest.
And in biblical Hebrew, the vast majority of the time, it does also mean priest, you
know, out of, I think, like 775 uses in the Bible, I think that's not the right number,
but it's somewhere in that neighborhood, like out of 750 some uses or something, you know,
all but like six or seven of them, you know, it's translated as priest.
Okay.
So that's what it means like the vast majority of the time, 99% of the time, but obviously
when you're dealing with ancient languages, there are some nuances and things that change
over time.
And so the King James Bible translators did not always translate this word as priest because
in some situations, the translation priest just doesn't make sense.
Our modern English word priest just means priest, okay.
In modern Hebrew, this, you know, kohen is just going to mean priest, whereas this older
word obviously had a broader semantic range where it could also be used in other situations
to mean other things.
And this is the thing that a lot of people don't necessarily understand if they don't
speak multiple languages is that you're rarely going to have a perfect one for one correspondence
between a particular word and its analog in another language.
And that's why the same Hebrew word is not always going to be translated with the same
English word.
The same Greek word is not always going to be translated with the same English word because
those words have different shades of meaning in different contexts.
Also over time, I mean, you know, the Hebrew Bible is written over a long period of time.
Words can change in meaning.
They can broaden or narrow their semantic range.
And so this word "Kohen," yeah, typically it means priest.
So somebody who has a really rudimentary knowledge of Hebrew, they're just going, "I know that
word.
I know that means priest.
You know, I know that."
Do you really know for sure that it didn't also have other meanings?
Because the King James translators aren't the ones who came up with this.
Because you can look at, for example, the Septuagint, and it also does not translate
"Kohanim" here as "priests."
So the King James is doing the same thing that the Septuagint did, and the same thing
the Bishops Bible did, same thing the Geneva Bible did.
So lots of translations have recognized the broader semantic range of this word, that
it doesn't always necessarily mean "priest" in every Biblical context.
And if you were to translate it as "priest," it's kind of bizarre in light of the fact
that God spent a lot of time in 1 Chronicles explaining what things were like under King
David with regard to the priesthood, and how he had different priests serving in different
months, and there's the whole thing of the priesthood switching from the house of Abiathar
to the house of Zadok, and so forth.
So just all of a sudden, "Oh, by the way, David's sons are priests."
What the?
That doesn't even fit in with everything else that scripture's teaching, and you have to
look at the whole totality of scripture.
Also, of course, there's a famous story where King Uzziah, who's the son of David, goes
in to the temple to offer incense, and if you remember, he's struck by God with a leprosy
because he said, "No, no, no.
This needs to be the sons of Levi.
This is not for you."
And of course, for those of us who actually believe the New Testament, and Byron was claiming
to believe the New Testament, even though he clearly doesn't, you know, the New Testament
says it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses spake nothing
concerning priesthood.
So it's saying that it has to be a new priesthood of the order of Melchizedek that Jesus Christ
represents.
Jesus Christ is unique in that he is prophet, priest, king, and that he fills all of those
roles whereas David is just king, Aaron is just priest.
Well, I think it makes sense that these guys, if you think about this with End Times Bible
prophecy in mind, that these guys wanted to push this idea that there are kings who were
also priests in the Old Testament.
Because this entire dialogue, what I was thinking is they are setting the stage for the Antichrist.
And it'll be the Antichrist who claims to be both a religious figure and a political
figure.
And when he does reveal himself to be God at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week at
the abomination of desolation, I wouldn't be surprised that these same people, Jews
like Adam King, fake Christians like Byron Stinsett, are coming out and saying, "Hey,
it's okay that he's not of the Aaronic priesthood here because neither was David and neither
was Solomon, and yet they were priests in the Old Testament according to their twisted
false doctrine."
What do you think about that?
Yeah, and also, you know, Byron at one point said that this new temple that's going to
be built in Jerusalem, "Oh, it's going to be a place where Hindus can pray there.
It's going to be a place where Buddhists can pray there, Christians, Jews, Mormons."
I mean, talk about a one world religion.
One world religion.
Talk about Satanic.
The God of the Bible has never said, "Hey, you know, if you're worshiping Dagon, that's
okay.
Come on down to the temple.
You can worship with us."
Baal?
No problem.
Ashtaroth?
Let's go.
Wow.
But that's literally what Byron said in this interview.
He said, "Oh yeah, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews for everybody.
Let's all just love one another and we're all going to accept the Messiah.
That's below me, okay?
The Jews are rejecting Christ now.
They're going to be rejecting Christ all the way up until the second coming.
It's that simple."
Yeah, I tried to make a point when that was being brought up about the idea of Gentiles
just waltzing into the Old Testament temple and just doing whatever they want.
That's part of the reason why they got so mad at Paul is because they falsely accused
him of having brought Gentiles into the temple specifically.
It's just kind of absurd to me that they're going to think that Gentiles are just now
Levitical priests.
I guess if anybody can be a little priest according to their view, but in hindsight,
I wish I had brought up this one verse, there's a verse that I wanted to bring up that I thought
of after the debate, but it's in Hebrews seven verse 14.
The Bible says Ford is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah of which tribe Moses spake
nothing concerning priesthood.
So the New Testament commentating on the Old Testament is saying like specifically, Hey,
there was nothing about priesthood in relation to Judah and that's why the Lord Jesus Christ
has to be a priest after the order of Melchizedek and it's not a continuation of the Old Testament
Levitical priesthood.
It's a changing of the priesthood and there was a changing of the law.
But I would just imagine Byron hates the book of Hebrews.
I mean, I don't know, it feels like Hebrews just destroys every view that he has.
So another thing I want to bring up along those lines is King Saul.
So one of the things they talked about is they said like, Oh, there's lots of messiahs.
There's a messiah in every generation and all these different things.
Now here's where they're coming from.
Here's where they're getting this.
Okay.
Is that the word messiah just literally means anointed and the word Christ just literally
means anointed.
These three words are the same, anointed, messiah, Christ.
You can see that even in the King James Bible where they're used interchangeably where Psalm
two says they rise up against the Lord and against his anointed.
And then the New Testament says they rise up against the Lord and against his Christ.
So obviously the Hebrew word Mashiach, Mashiach means messiah, but it also just means anointed.
So anytime you're talking about somebody being anointed in the Old Testament, that's the
typical word that's going to be used.
Well, same thing in Greek.
The word Christos, let's say even before the New Testament's written, that word already
existed.
Christos is going to be used in the Septuagint about all kinds of people.
Why?
Every prophet is anointed, every priest is anointed, every king is anointed, right?
We see Elisha being anointed, all these different things.
And so, for example, when David says, "I'm not going to touch the Lord's anointed.
I'm not going to put forth my hand against the Lord's anointed."
If you're reading the Septuagint, it's like, "I'm not going to put my hand against the
Lord's Christos, his Christ."
Because again, that's just what those words mean in the original language.
But it's sort of like how John says, "As ye have heard, that antichrist singular shall
come, even now are there many antichrists."
There's sort of like a bunch of lowercase A antichrists, and then there's the big antichrist
who's coming.
Well, here's the thing.
You do have all of these people that are anointed at various times, but then you have the Messiah,
which is referring to one person.
So when you're speaking English, if you're using the word Messiah in English, you're
not going to say, "Oh, you know, I gave my baby a diaper change and I put some ointment
on him, so I've anointed him, so now he's the Messiah."
That's obviously just misusing terms at that point, because technically, yeah, anything
that gets anointed is anointed, is "Mashiach," is "Christos."
So that's the stupidity that they were trying to pull, is to not acknowledge that there's
like one big messiah that is coming according to the Old Testament.
It's sort of like there are lots of prophets with a lowercase p, but then there's that
prophet.
You know, like they said to John the Baptist, "Art thou that prophet?"
Right?
Or the woman at the well, "I know that when messiahs cometh, he's going to tell us all
things."
You know, obviously, we're not just talking about any old "Mashiach" or anointed person.
We're talking about the messiah, we're talking about the Christ, and there are lots of other
words that do the same thing when you take them from one language to another.
Like, for example, I was trying to think of a good example of this, I didn't really think
of a good example, but like, I was thinking like the word "Madonna," you know, is not
really a good example.
But like, you know, if we say "Madonna" in English, people are pretty much going to think
that we're talking about a pop singer from the 80s, right?
And they might think that we're talking about the Virgin Mary if we say "Madonna," right?
Because that's how that word operates in English.
But originally, it just goes back to an archaic Italian term, which just means "my lady,"
like "ma donna," "donna" being "lady" in Italian.
I don't speak Italian, but I know the basics.
That's an archaic form of just "my lady."
And so you can't just say, "Well, every lady is Madonna," or something, because it's like,
"Well, no."
Or like the German word "the Fuhrer."
If we said in English "the Fuhrer," everybody knows that we're talking about Adolf Hitler.
If we said in English "il Duce," everybody knows we're talking about Benito Mussolini,
okay?
Whereas in Italian, "il Duce" is just any leader, the leader.
Or "Allah."
"Der Fuhrer" is just any leader in German.
And yeah, great example, "Allah."
If we say "Allah" in English, we're only talking about the God of Islam, whereas "Allah"
is actually used in the Bible, in the Aramaic section, about God, about the true God.
Because in Aramaic, that's just the word for God.
In Arabic, that's just the word for God.
Even Christians--
Is that who your God has been?
Is it Allah?
Allah is used.
My parents would say that all the time to me when they were teaching me about the Bible
when I was a little boy.
They would say Allah, yeah, to be meaning God, but the Christian God, not the Islamist
God.
Yeah.
So is that what Islamists mean when they say Jesus is Allah?
I guess so.
Go ahead.
What was that, Pastor Anderson?
Well, what I'm just saying, you know, when we're speaking English, though, you know,
then that's for me.
So it's the same thing with Messiah.
If we say Messiah in English, we're only referring to like the big one.
You know, we're not, we're not going to say it'd be weird if our English Bible said, well,
I'm not going to touch King Saul because he's the Messiah.
Okay.
Doesn't the Bible itself do that with the word God?
Because the Bible says that God is the God of gods, and the Bible uses that in the term
of the devil.
He's the God of this world.
Right.
And even the word God, which I would say would be pretty similar as far as a ratio.
Just like we were talking about, you're bringing up this word about Messiah, the word Cohen
is going to be used 740 plus times as priest, and then just a handful that don't really
refer to that.
Well, the word God has got to be the vast majority, 90 some percent, where we're talking
about who we think of Elohim, Jehovah, when we're thinking about God, but when it's used
a few times to talk about the God of this world or the God of gods or maybe even a couple
even references in the Old Testament.
Yeah, not only that, but if you start going back to the original languages, you know,
there are going to be times when Elohim is translated as angels, you know, I mean, these
words are just sometimes a little more complicated than just an overly simplistic, you know,
one semester Bible college student or modern Hebrew speaker or whatever would like to think.
Obviously, there's a lot more complicated stuff going on when we're talking about literature
written over the course of 1500 years in an ancient language that was a dead language
until 1882.
I mean, this is just a little bit more complicated subject and this is why we need to trust our
English Bible, you need to trust the King James Bible and not trust some guy who just barely
knows a little Hebrew to just undermine 414 years or whatever of our English Bible that
we've had and trusted and known and believed.
But the reason I'm bringing up King Saul, just to get back to that thought, I just want
to finish that thought real quick.
The reason I bring up Saul is because Saul is the one who keeps being called the Lord's
Anointed over and over again, right?
David says like, "I'm not going to put forth my hand against the Lord's Anointed," which
if you're reading a Hebrew Bible, it's going to be "mashiach."
If you're reading a Greek Septuagint, it's going to be "christos" or any Greek translation.
But then what's funny about that is that Saul literally gets in trouble for doing what?
For offering a sacrifice.
He's not supposed to do that.
That was a big deal.
That's a good point.
But according to these people, "Oh, well, the Messiah, he's both king and priest."
Well, you know, why does that work for David, but why doesn't that work for Solomon?
Because Solomon was, or excuse me, why doesn't that work for Saul?
Because King Saul was every bit the Lord's anointed as David was.
Saul is repeatedly referred to as the Lord's anointed.
He's anointed with oil.
He's hand-chosen by God to lead the people, yet he was not supposed to be offering a burnt
sacrifice.
Okay?
The priest is supposed to do that.
The son of David, Uzziah, was not supposed to be going in the temple and offering that
incense.
There was supposed to be a priest doing that.
So to just say, "Oh, David's a priest.
His sons are priests," it does not fit the rest of the teachings of scripture.
It's just false.
I mean, and Adam was kind of like really excited about that verse, like he was like seeing
it for the first time.
And he's just like, "Wow, now I've seen it with my own eyes.
I know the name, yeah, that's what it is," but it's just like good job for knowing a
basic vocabulary word.
But at the same time, these words have a broader semantic range sometimes than their English
analogues.
It's just that simple.
Yeah, it's not really thinking through the logic to want to just then willy-nilly act
like the Aaronic priesthood doesn't matter.
And let's just say even if you were to try to make the argument like it changed at that
point in time, well, after they actually come back to rebuild the temple, they're making
a big deal again about having the priesthood be of Levi and not of Judah.
So then why do they care so much when they're rebuilding the temple to restore that Levitical
priesthood again if now all of a sudden it's changed to just David's sons or something
like that?
We don't really see the evidence, internal evidence doesn't suggest that.
Of course Hebrews the commentary doesn't say that plus it defies all logic and again
then Jesus wouldn't have to be after the order of Melchizedek he'd be at the order of David
or after the order of Judah or something like that but again we get that tie all the way
back to Melchizedek which is prior to Judah or Levi neither of them even existed at that
point in time and so what I thought was funny and where we really needed a pastor Anderson
meme was when they told me that the earth is only five thousand seven hundred and eighty
four years or whatever the Jews come there I was like where's pastor Anderson to get
mad at me.
Well let me jump in on that right now because you know I'm real passionate about this and
I know we kind of run this into the ground I did a whole sermon on it where I went into
great detail on this issue and kind of looked at both sides of it and just tried to do as
much of an exhaustive thing as I could but one thing I didn't even bring up in that
sermon that is an important point to realize is that like for example in Numbers chapter
3 verse 39 it says all that were numbered of the Levites which Moses and Aaron numbered
at the commandment of the Lord throughout their families all the males from a month
old and upward so we're not counting females so we're only talking about 50% of the population
so whatever this number is you got to double it right because he says he numbered the Levites
the males from a month old and upward 20 and 2000 okay so but according to these people
Moses's grandpa is Levi so so if Moses grandpa is Levi then how in the world do you have
Moses at 80 years old numbering the children of Levi and you got 22,000 which again if
you include the women we're talking 44,000 so how can you have 44,000 cousins like that
I mean I mean I thought that I thought this is a great point but then I realized that
pastor Anderson has never been to a quinceanera and so that's obviously why he he he doesn't
see how that's possible but no I'm just that's what I'm saying look at all the numbers if
if Levi because according to them yeah of course it's great place if you trace Moses
on one side Levi's his grandfather if you trace him on the other side is his great-grandfather
and he's got 44,000 Levi's like that's not positive now if you let 400 years go by and
acknowledge the fact that the genealogy is obviously skipping generations and not giving
us the full story then it makes sense how you can have these massive numbers you know
and then again numbers chapter 4 just the the Kohathites alone okay which again Kohath
they have about a million people leaving the exodus is an approximate about a million people
that are leaving it's much more than that because because you have you have 600,000
men of war you have 603,000 men of war what about the women what about children what about
the elderly I mean you know you're looking at several million people probably like you
know it's impossible to know for sure but you know if I had to guess I would say you
know two million would be a low number it's probably more like you know closer to three
million maybe even more two to three million heck let's just make it six million yeah it's
probably exactly six no but it's two to three it's like two to three million people you're
not going to go down there with 70 souls and then 215 years later you've got all of a sudden
you know two to three million people but even that you know people will say like no we can
make this math work except that the Bible will sit there and say well Kohath has these
couple of sons or whatever and then it's like boom Kohathites from 30 to 50 just the Kohathites
from 30 to 50 only just the males are 2750 that's just not going to work you can't get
there in three generations you cannot get there in three generations just from 70 to
two million or from you know what I mean it just doesn't work and what's what's interesting
is that if you look at these different genealogies there will be a whole bunch of different families
not just the Levites but other tribes where it will just it'll just list only four generations
if you count just and so obviously that's not going to be just that consistent that
it's just exactly four generations oh but by the way they just turned into millions
of people obviously the four generations is some kind of a symbolic number and all we're
getting is just key families you know the important thing is just to understand that
the Levites consist of these key families Kohathites, Marerites, Gershonites but it's
not giving us the full genealogy because I'm sorry nobody had 500 kids or so this is just
not possible well again make any sense isn't it possible to the Bibles not necessarily
counting a generation in the sense of like just that specific begetting but perhaps just
like that person's life you know like generally they're living you know for that's like their
generation but it's not saying that there wasn't their children having children or anything
throughout that particular time period it's just kind of a you know at the end of the
day you know you're looking at two pieces of evidence the four generations in the genealogy
right and the 430 years you know something doesn't compute here okay and when you look
at all the rest of the evidence it's super obvious that the 430 years is a clear accurate
number and it actually jives with having 44,000 Levites and everything whereas the other way
just flat out doesn't work you have 70 people going down into Egypt when they leave it would
be a way way smaller number but the 430 years fits like a glove and so you know we've kind
of run that subject yeah I feel like the word generation though has a broad definition because
like absolutely I'm thinking like the word in Genesis 2 verse 4 it says these are the
generations of the heaven and the earth when they were created so it just kind of like
yeah what is bring up like a time period or like Genesis 5 1 this is the book of the generations
of Adam but then it just gives like a huge family tree and so obviously it's not just
like only talking about Adam it's talking about just that whole family and like what's
going on with everyone related so again I don't think that generation has to be limited
to what we think of is just like my immediate begetting of children and that's like the
only reference how do we interpret the entire Bible you know we use the clear scripture
to interpret the unclear right Exodus 12 40 and 41 is a really clear precise statement
in context about time the statement that God makes to Abraham backs that up about the 400
years of being evil and treated the statements made in Acts chapter 7 and Galatians 3 they
all back that up and so you have this super clear statement in Exodus 12 40 and 41 backed
up by three other scriptures backed up by common sense backed up by just chapter after
chapter saying there's these massive numbers of Israelites breaking down massive numbers
of people that are very specifically you know just the Kohathites alone or the Mararites
alone or the Gershonites alone massive numbers that would be literally impossible in simply
three generations of reproduction they just can't happen it doesn't matter and look I
know how to produce a lot of kids in a generation there is what are you at now just 12 you
got the 12 tribes yeah although I guess do you have to have you have to have 12 sons
to have the 12 tribes or how does that work and then there's I have seven sons and five
daughters so he's like he's like Jesse now or something but I think it's interesting
he's trying to tie that back to when Abraham was passing through these animal sacrifices
but in Genesis chapter I'm sorry in Exodus chapter 12 verse 40 and 41 it specifically
is bringing up the fact that they came out of Egypt it says like the self same day in
verse 41 that they went out from the land of Egypt well here's the thing Abraham's
not in Egypt when he's doing that specific animal sacrifice so if you're going to tie
it back to that date well then now you're just basically discrediting that statement
in that verse Abraham is not the children of Israel either Isaac's not the children
are you debating Kent Hogan or Adam King right right didn't that was reminiscent of Kent
Hogan there yeah all right that was a good point people are probably tired of that subject
though I did do a whole sermon on it a couple weeks ago I just wanted to bring up one more
if someone wants to call in they could actually give us their opinion too 231 Baptist we will
take a few call ins potentially 231 Baptist but Ben you know from from your perspective
on the show what was kind of like one of the highlights that you were interested in discussing
here well I just want to point out that it was obvious that Adam King was flexing his
rudimentary his rudimentary knowledge of Hebrew throughout the entire broadcast to make it
appear as if he was a scholar of that language of some sort and we already touched on it
with second Samuel 8 18 appreciate pastor Anderson clearing the air on that but here's
another highlight Brian Stinson when confronted on Revelation chapter 3 and verse 9 I think
we used to nine but yeah he said he said oh was 39 yeah yeah okay about the synagogue
of Satan he said that the Jews there which say they are Jews and are not are actually
Christians and it got me wondering and I'm not sure pastor Anderson if you heard that
portion of the debate but is this guy taking the Sam Gip interpretation because I believe
it was Sam Gip who claimed well this is talking about you guys you replacement theology believers
who think you are the true Jews what was your reaction to him oh just here's the thing to
understand that verse you have to replace the word Jew with Christian what'd you think
of that yeah it was crazy I did listen to the whole thing okay this afternoon I did
listen to it and the funny thing was that Adam King jumped in and just just totally
you know darkening counsel with words without knowledge he just kind of jumps in and says
like well it's actually the Church of Philadelphia that's the synagogue of Satan which is silly
because obviously anybody who's actually read this chapter knows that God is actually praising
the church at Philadelphia right and he says I will make them of the synagogue of Satan
which say they are Jews and are not but do lie behold I will make them to come and worship
before thy feet and to know that I have loved thee and he was trying to say that basically
it's it's the church of Philadelphia that's this I mean it's just you can't even make
this stuff up I mean obviously the church he was trying to say Gentiles or something
what whether we're in Revelation 2 9 with with Smyrna or whether we're in Revelation
3 9 with Philadelphia these are actually the two churches that are getting the most praise
from the Lord here because there's a lot of criticism toward the other churches except
these are kind of the two churches that that are getting them the the the really glowing
report the praise and so he's certainly not mad at these churches he's he's he's just
talking about the fact that they're being persecuted there are a lot of adversaries
they're going through trials and tribulations because let's face it if we read the book
of Acts the Jews are doing a lot of persecuting of Christians first Thessalonians chapter
two talks about that and so yeah that was weird I mean this Byron guy is like a caricature
of just the most extreme Judaizer imaginable and so hopefully that would make some of the
people who are kind of like dabbling in this Judaizing stuff kind of see where this leads
because I've been saying for a long time the end game of the Judaizers is to take you all
the way to Judaism yeah and and that's really the goal is to get you to where you just go
all the way and you're not even a Christian anymore and he has denied Jesus as God he's
already denying that Jesus Christ is God and he's he's just another Messiah there's one
in every generation or whatever you know and by the way this is what the new age types
the Oprah Winfrey types will sometimes teach these kind of like new age views like the
oh the Christ spirit and you know the Messiah is like this reincarnated Christ spirit where
you know Buddha had that Christ spirit and then Jesus and you know Gandhi and Martin
Luther King Jr. and you know like that's that's that kind of mentality and I mean it's just
crazy to hear him say oh well we as Jews believe in reincarnation like I've look I've been
around a lot of Jews I've talked to a lot of Jews I talked to Jews on a regular basis
I've never had a Jew tell me they believed in reincarnation the vast majority of Jews
that I've talked to believed that when you die that's it just like when an animal dies
just like when your dog dies or something you're just gone that's what most Jews that
I've spoken to believe some of them do believe in an afterlife obviously like the Pharisees
in Christ's day did believe in an afterlife and resurrection and so forth but I've heard
of the resurrection being believed and I've heard of a lot of Jews that had more the Sadducee
belief of just when you die that's it but I've never personally encountered Jews telling
me hey I believe in reincarnation and I've talked to Jews about a lot of stuff.
When it comes to modern-day Judaism and especially people that have some level of practice versus
what the Bible brings up about Pharisees and Sadducees to me it almost seems like there's
actually quite a bit of distinction here.
It almost seems like and again obviously nothing's gonna be a perfect parallel but it almost
seems like to me that Catholics are more closely associated with Phariseeism than modern-day
Judaism even though of course there is some overlapping parallels but I'm just kind of
curious what is your opinion on like the Pharisees and the Sadducees and modern-day Judaism do
you really see this as being kind of the same thing or how does that different?
Well obviously we could find analogs between the Pharisees and the Sadducees and all kinds
of religious groups because there's no new thing under the Sun and and false religions
false religion but you know the modern-day rabbinic Judaism especially Orthodox Judaism
is descended from the Pharisees.
That is really their spiritual forebears and and so you know when you think about the writings
of the Talmud which the Orthodox Jews are the ones that are big on the Talmud you know
I mean for example Gamaliel who is mentioned in the New Testament as being someone that
trained the Apostle Paul he speaks in the book of Acts saying hey maybe we should just
you know give the Christians a break a little bit and so forth you know Gamaliel is a rabbi
in the Talmud you know that's one of their buddies so they definitely would look to the
Pharisees as their spiritual forebears and I think that is accurate obviously you know
they've changed and evolved over time but modern day rabbinical Judaism orthodox Judaism
is the religion of the Pharisees and then but again are they believing in reincarnation
or is that just Adam knows kind of being a little bit strange on that yeah I think
that's you know like I said maybe I'm just haven't been exposed to that but you know
I don't believe that they are teaching reincarnation I thought you know I would say that they're
teaching that there's going to be you know in the New Testament I mean they're teaching
that there's going to be a resurrection well seems like they're definitely looking for
a specific Messiah and they're definitely thinking like he has to come from Bethlehem
and things like that but of course I guess Adam seemed like he was looking for a Messiah
too and he brought up some certain things about it and again the perspective of who
Jesus was going to be or who the Messiah was going to be was obviously somewhat misunderstood
even the disciples are kind of thinking of maybe a political revolution or maybe a restoration
of the kingdom kind of style and again that kind of fits the Antichrist motif right?
Yeah for the Jews the Messiah is you know restoring the kingdom to Israel you know that
that's what they're expecting the Messiah to do they want him to bring peace on earth
put the put put the Jews in power you know all nations are are streaming to Jerusalem
and so forth and obviously there are parallels between that and the true story which is the
second coming of Christ you know at the second coming of Christ there is going to be peace
on earth Christ is the son of David Christ is going to rule all nations with a rod of
iron and so forth but they totally ignore the concept of the suffering messiah right
who comes and dies for our sins I mean you know obviously Isaiah chapter 53 that whole
scripture about you know the suffering servant and so forth you know they're not thinking
of that as the messiah they're they're thinking of the messiah as bringing them political
salvation because that's what they're kind of obsessed with in the New Testament you
know why do they not want to believe in Jesus oh well if everybody believes in Jesus then
the Romans are going to come and take away our land from us they're obsessed with the
land and you know we got to have our nation that's true you know one of the really telling
things also that that Adam said is that you know when the messiah comes then we can take
our place as God's partner right you know I don't know if you caught that but he was
basically saying that you know the Jews are going to be God's partner and what's interesting
is that I've talked to a lot of Jews also that have said that for them the messiah might
not even be a specific person but that there's just going to be a messianic age and where
basically the Jews will be collectively their own messiah so like the Jews collectively
are the messiah that's what a lot of Jews believe believe it or not I mean it kind of
reminds me of the parable what's that well I want to hear your parable but it really
makes a lot of sense because you see today a lot of political figures going to Israel
right now and kissing the wall and bowing down to the wall and and kind of paying homage
it almost kind of makes sense that they're even influencing individuals to kind of have
this same mindset and so they want this temple to be restored and that all these Gentile
kings and rulers are going to be coming and seeking you know peace and from that God and
they're trying to usher in their quote messiah which is this anti-christ figure that is going
to give them peace and and maybe the end times boogeyman is islam that's kind of the that's the
one thing stopping us all from having peace or something like that and so if they can kind of
drive that narrative because again it's pretty uncanny to see greg abbott ron de santis donald
trump joe biden i mean probably could name even more all going to israel all you know bowing at
that wall them coming back and passing anti-semitic legislation in our country yeah ron de santis
yeah and christy noam from i believe it's south dakota even our uh even our beloved uh rand paul
was there with the hat hand on the wall praying and everything i think i've seen it not ron paul
not yeah yeah rand rand literally went there yeah i've seen a photo of that yes yep there is in
marching to zion uh babalon usa oh babalon usa both great one of those films is there's a whole
like montage of like 16 major politicians that kind of comes on the screen and and rand paul
yeah and so there we go speak of speak of the devil himself i mean and you know i'm not saying
rand paul is a bad guy or anything but like you know he's so misguided to have done this this is
something that that they do though it's like it's just like a rite of passage it's just something
you gotta do it is you gotta maybe anthony fauci told him to go over there and and repent it's the
popular deception of you gotta you gotta touch the wall you gotta you gotta you know whatever
they're doing so the parable they're putting them back into power so yeah i mean i think your
parable is gonna fit here let's hear what's the parable well the pair the parable that i like is
the one where you know uh the the master of the vineyard is sending servants to gather the fruits
thereof they beat one they kill another and that's obviously talking about god sending various
prophets to israel over the years and they're they're persecuting and killing the prophets
throughout the old testament and then last of all he sends his son and he says they will reverence
my son and then when they see the sun coming afar off they say this is the heir let's kill him and
then the inheritance will be ours then we can seize on the inheritance and and so that's what
it always makes me think of when you hear the jews talking about how like basically they are going to
collectively be their own messiah they're going to collectively replace jesus christ and here's the
thing who is a liar but he that denies that jesus is the christ he's anti-christ that denies the
father and son so judaism in general is anti-christ right those who believe in a messiah other than
jesus are all lowercase anti-christ and so in a sense they are collectively one big anti-christ
you know and then i do of course believe that there's going to be a singular individual
the upper case anti-christ who is still coming someday right and that's their messiah and so
both are true the jews are collectively their own messiah and then they're also going to
ultimately enthrone this this wicked man of sin in the end times the son of perdition as the
anti-christ well it seems like and and byron's gonna love it i mean right it's gonna be like
this is this is a dream come true buddhist hindus mormons everybody's coming to this temple and
praying and and and you know hey you say it's the first coming we say it's the second coming
who cares right it's the messiah it seems like the millennial reign of christ
like to me i feel like the millennial reign of christ and all the verses in the old testament
and new testament point to that kind of get twisted into the anti-christ setting his kingdom
up and so it's like everything that they bring about how you know the gentiles are going to seek
the lord and there's going to be peace and he's going to be ruling like they're all like taking
those passages of ezekiel and isaiah and all these different old testament references and they're
like bringing them to the anti-christ and i think byron said at one point he kind of just said like
the anti-christ is the one that's trying like stop this from happening and it kind of was
like an eerie feeling for me for a second as i'm thinking like oh so now you're going to blame
people like us or christians from being like we don't agree with this or we think this is wrong
like somehow we're the anti-christ that's what that means because again they have no problem
this is what i think is funny byron says we keep spiritualizing everything but then he literally
like spiritualizes and metaphors everything to his own bidding like oh y'all are the anti-christ
let's just swap jews with christians or whatever we can't help spiritualize and stuff because
we're just i guess we're just spiritual like right but the natural man on the other hand
yeah receive it not the things in the spirit of god you know uh you know we tend to allegorize
and spiritualize everything well so does the bible yeah comparing spiritual the law is spiritual
that's what paul said he that yeah but for him it's all about inspecting every hair of a literal
cow you know that's that's how we're at overly carnal and and that's the common denominator
between unsaved people who are deceived by false religion is they take things overly carnal you
see it with catholics and transubstantiation you see it with these judyizers and jews and taking a
magnifying glass and trying to find one speck of white hair to determine whether or not there's a
red heifer worthy of being sacrificed to pave the way for the third temple it is insanity and it
leads me to a question for both of you pastor anerson john chapter 5 obviously you're very
familiar with this scripture where the lord jesus christ said uh i'm come in my father's name and
you receive me not if another shall come in his own name him you will receive and we've used that
at least i have to point to how the jews will accept the coming anti-christ but there's also
another idea which says that the anti-christ will turn on the jews when he invades jerusalem at the
midpoint luke 21 makes reference to this and calls it the days of vengeance i'm curious in your mind
pastor anderson when we talk about this relationship between the coming anti-christ and the jews
are we going to see some jews accept them but others reject him is it perhaps the orthodox
and hesitic jews that reject the anti-christ when he reveals himself to be god because he's
turned on them and then maybe more of the liberal jews accept them how do you kind of
reconcile both of these ideas well here's one thing that you have to understand about the devil
is that the devil pretends to be your friend and then he gets you to do something bad and then he
turns around and accuses you for that very bad thing that you just did because think about the
devil's two roles in our lives he's he's constantly trying to tempt us and then he's also constantly
accusing us before god in heaven right which which is a little bit ironic he's the one trying to get
us to do bad stuff and then he's turning around and accusing us of doing bad stuff and a great
example is the character in the bible jonadab who basically gives amnon the idea to defile tamar
and then turns around and tells david oh yeah you know he defiled tamar and this and that
that's how the devil is okay and so what what's going to happen i believe in the end times if you
study the scriptures and look at how this is going to play out according to the book of revelation
and what jesus taught is that i do believe that the the jews are going to absolutely love the
antichrist they're going to say that he's the messiah and he's going to be on their team in
the beginning and then at the midpoint i believe that he is going to turn on them and he's going
to destroy them and and that's their punishment so they they're they're tempted to accept this
fake antichrist and then they get punished for doing it because the devil doesn't love his people
the devil doesn't love maryland yeah don't want some of them accept him obviously and take the
mark and still be his minions to some degree maybe not all of them but you know it's hard to say
exactly how this is going to play out right obviously when we were i'm speaking in generalities
because obviously there are always going to be individuals making their own decisions doing
their own thing you know so when we talk about the jews there's always going to be exceptions that
prove the rule you can't just paint necessarily with a broad brush and yeah you're right obviously
there are secular jews orthodox jews reform jews conservative jews you know hasidic jews you have
all these different branches so i'm not going to sit here and pretend that i know how all that's
going to play out and work all i'm saying is that in general right the jews in general the israelis
in general in the beginning are going to be on team antichrist and then if you know ultimately
are going to be destroyed obviously that's not going to be consistent to the individual you know
yeah every person makes their own decisions in life well i guess the two people i kind of thought
of is is the woman in the garden it's like the devil's kind of her best friend until after she
eats the apple and then she's then now they're enemies and they want to kind of destroy each
other or judas iscariot judas iscariot is inhabited by the devil and it's kind of doing
his bidding and they're like best buds and then of course after having turned on the lord jesus
christ and betraying him judas even feels so bad about it and recognizes that what he did was so
terrible he ends up killing himself manic suicide yeah and so obviously you know the devil is the
enemy of all mankind like he's not on anybody's team you know they're just use useful idiots or
useful pawns and i kind of get the feeling that that's how jews feel towards byron like that he's
just this useful idiot that they're just getting heifers from and they know he's a bumbling fumbling
idiot but they just kind of want to like take advantage of him because again from their point
of view goyum are inferior just to be used and taken advantage of and they don't even care that
byron's completely inconsistent doesn't even know what he's saying even though he claims to believe
in jesus and they don't like that or believe in that they just kind of go along to get along
because he's worshiping them as rabbis and whatever and they just take his take his cows and just
kick them to the curb i mean i don't know and i wish christian zionists and especially our
fundamental baptist brethren would recognize what you're saying right now pastor shelley and what
pastor anderson pointed out earlier in the broadcast that he is in a sense a manifestation
of what happens when you take their false doctrine to its inevitable end is you become this judy isaac
psycho like he is and you know it's too bad because i think most of them they just kind
of dismiss it oh that's just an outlier he's just an extremist like john hagi that's not what we
believe and we get that i know that you know our fundamental baptist brethren aren't going around
saying jews are automatically saved but still they should take heed to where this doctrine leads i
think it's kind of dual covenant theology and i think a lot of people might subscribe to
that concept or that idea just being kind of ignorant we do have a caller and i want to
just get his perspective real quick but uh we have someone that called in from california uh
tony who wanted to ask this question uh tony how's it going good brother how are you doing great how's
it going tony good good um so you get to watch the show actually about yeah i only seen about
half of it because i was out soul winning and i was trying to trying to watch it uh in and out
that's really good motivation i'm just kidding pop that earpiece in brother pop that earpiece in and
and listen while you so and i'm just kidding yeah uh i thought i was going in and out of service but
my question actually was about the um the 24 elders i know it's a little off topic and if you
guys didn't want to you know get into what's what's your question i think it's in records
kind of about the heifer go ahead yeah so um have you have you ever considered that the 24 elders
might be uh the the 12 disciples and the 12 tribes of israel like juda uh robin gad um to the 12
patriarchs the 12 apostles yeah yeah i was just curious of what you guys thought about that i
guess i don't i don't know it's just kind of pure speculation right i mean you do have the temple
name i don't think so though it could be i like to think that it's just kind of a hall of fame
of just like 24 outstanding pastors from the last few thousand years or something
they just get to be the elders who knows pastor high yeah and i've heard you talk on that
before as in like hopes of being one of those elders you know and and that's great you know
it's a great thing to aspire to uh but i was just curious if you thought that maybe it could
possibly be like tying in the old uh the old covenant with the new covenant um with the the
disciples and the 12 tribes to make the 24 i would say at a minimum you know i don't think
it's literally that but i think that you know i would say it almost for sure symbolizes that
i think i think you could almost certainly say that those 24 people are kind of symbolizing that
connection of old and new because you do have things like that throughout the book of revelation
you know you got 12 apostles over here 12 tribes over here i mean those things are brought up and so
the number 24 is obviously 12 and 12 12 for the old testament 12 for the new testament i i think
the symbolism you're on solid ground i just don't necessarily think it's literally those 24 people
probably just symbolic i mean jesus does make reference to the disciples sitting on thrones
and judging the 12 tribes of israel so obviously that could maybe be some level of indication
of course they're going to be pretty high up in status so i think it's a it's an interesting
idea i would i would not be dogmatic though personally okay i i appreciate it brothers thank
you slightly off topic but that's a pretty good verse to go to if you want to help people
understand what romans 11 26 is actually talking about when it says all israel shall be saved
so i want to just mention one thing too about the you know let's get back to the heifer folks
yes i'm just kidding i'm getting like owen uh destroyers as they yeah yeah owen uh moderate
get back to the heifer people back to the heifer please we got into the post nightclub i want to
talk about leviticus 2013 i'm like passing interest in the moon he's like i want to get to the moon
orange moon i'm like i want to get the leviticus 2013 we were getting into the post nightclub and
everything and he's like i don't want to stick to this topic back to the heifer yeah here we go
this is the point i was making yeah well it was here's what i wanted to bring up just how stupid
it is this thing of like that there can't be a single white hair on this red heifer or whatever
because the thing about that is that when the bible says that the lamb is supposed to be without
spot and without blemish okay the whole point of that is basically just saying you don't want it
to have some big scab or some big wound or some big bald spot some weird birthmark or something
he's just saying you want it to be a good clean lamb okay obviously the point is you want to offer
your best to god and it's supposed to picture jesus christ being sinless and so forth but taking it to
these extremes of going over it with a microscope it's just stupid and ridiculous you know obviously
if it's just a white lamb it looks clean looks healthy you're good to go you can't just sit
there okay because i mean if you do go over it with a microscope you know you're gonna find
problems i mean like the bible says absolum had no blemish on his body from head to toe you know
that just means bro had great skin it doesn't mean you have to sit there and like you know put it
through a microscope on a slide you know taking skin samples of the guy like yeah because if you
look at anything close enough that's that's biological everything biological is filled with
imperfections right you know it's just there's no such thing as a human or an animal that doesn't
have anything out of place or anything you know physically abnormal but when the bible is saying
hey the priest you know they shouldn't be a hunchback or somebody with like missing body parts or
extra body parts it doesn't mean that you know they can't have a single pimple or something on
their entire body and you know we have to go over with a magnifying glass to make sure it's it but
the jews take all of god's commandments to the point of absurdity like oh on the sabbath we can't
kindle a fire therefore i'm not allowed to turn off a light switch right like if your lights are
running they can't they can't switch it off or what about cheeseburgers what about what about
cheeseburgers pastor renterson aren't they against eating cheeseburgers because thou shall not see
the kid in his mother's milk or something like that am i getting that right yeah but what's even
weirder is that they won't even eat chicken with cheese chicken witchy how you can't milk a chicken
like the chicken does not give suck it's not a mammal but but so it'd be literally impossible
to see the chicken in its mother's milk but just to be safe they won't even eat a chicken sandwich
with cheese on it and let's face it they definitely don't want bacon on it is good yeah that's you know
i mean chick-fil-a is way too expensive but it's a rip-off but if i do go to chick-fil-a
i get the deluxe where they add like you get the spicy one me too and then you add the cheese the
lettuce the tomato you get all the deluxe sandwich and you know orthodoxy be damned
you go for the chicken on the cheese how about adam king also mocking the idea of the trinity
this happened on the stream as well we called it esoteric which i really wanted to comment on
yeah i'd like to get your comment on that and you'll have to forgive me i'm not quite sure
what that even means esoteric this is coming from the same guy who believes in reincarnation
private or hidden knowledge yeah maybe here's what this is what he means by i'll tell you
exactly what he means by esoteric what he's saying is that it's a mystical teaching outside of the
bible that it's not explicitly taught in scripture but that is something that has been uh you know
fabricated by philosophers or you know through some kind of a mystical means obviously the word
esoteric the most basic meaning of the word esoteric the s part of that means inside or
in and esoteric if i brought up something esoteric it's something that only very few people
would would understand and obviously the trinity is not esoteric because of the fact that billions
of people all over the world would would claim to believe in the trinity right the trinity is
something that like billions of people literally would say yes i believe in the trinity so that's
not esoteric esoteric is knowledge that is held by a very small number of people like like it's
the type of stuff that you learn secret knowledge when you go into the temple of of molok or the
mormon tabernacle and you have to get the hidden handshakes or something like that like these are
typically the most common understandings of esoteric thank you for explaining so i was going to just i
just wanted to make the comment when you have a billion catholics and a billion christians that
believe in the trinity and it's not esoteric especially considering the fact that there's
many verses that are pointing this information out and that's why i tried to i kind of tried
to squeeze in just that hey genesis one says let us make man in our image after our likeness
you didn't have to go far to see something the bible is bringing up about god being plural in
the sense that it's not just even in even in their hebrew bible you know even the name of god itself
elohim is plural right the uh the other big name of god that they use the most often adonai because
whenever they come to the tetragrammaton they pronounce adonai adonai is also plural so adonai
is plural elohim is plural and in and in hebrew plural is technically three or more because they
have singular excuse me singular dual and plural so you know you have elohim adonai and these things
with but they're they're words that are treated as singulars but they're plural in structure so
it's it's a plural word used with a singular verb and so therefore you know like you said you don't
have to go far if you're reading it in hebrew it's really genesis one one you're going to see
this already alluded to and then obviously let us make man in our image and and even stronger than that
is the statement in genesis three where he says the man has become like unto one of us yeah exactly
you know that's not really you can't really make an argument for a royal we there when you're saying
because even the royal would not say one of us they they might say we are us using a royal we
but nobody's going to say one of us i mean that's that's plural well legion might say and we're
talking father son and holy ghost and i don't care how many theologians just oh you know that's so
ridiculous or whatever no it's true yeah let us make man in our image is the trinity talk i saw
some comment it was asking did byron ever use the name jesus or was he always saying yeshua and i
don't i don't know the answer to that but i don't remember him saying about that when you were when
you were pastor imenez was trying to pin him down about uh you know is jesus the messiah i don't know
if you guys noticed this but he kept deflecting and saying oh jesus will be the messiah like yes
every single time he would switch he would switch to a future tense right like he will be the well
yeah he will be the messiah but he was not saying he is the messiah now or that he was the messiah
when he was here on this earth and this is exactly what john hagi taught jesus didn't come to be the
messiah he never claimed to be the messiah he did not claim in word or deed to be the messiah
how can the jews be blamed for not accepting that which was never offered unto them this book will
shape christian theology you know so so i could do the ad-lead just for him
i'm delighted to introduce my new book in defense of israel but basically obviously like that's
exactly what john hagy's thing was like well he will be the messiah when he comes so so to them
it is kind of the first coming of the messiah because they're freaking jews that's why but the
bottom line is that if you if you think about jesus on this earth he's at the well with the
woman and she says i know that when messiahs cometh he'll show us all things or he'll tell us all
things and he says i that speak unto you am he right like i'm him i'm talking to you right now
i'm the messiah yeah right and obviously he he's saying he didn't say well i'm gonna i'm gonna be
the messiah like a couple thousand years from now well he said we found the messiah how did how did
how did they come to that conclusion if they didn't think he had found the messiahs which
is being interpreted the christ well you could make the argument well that's just what they were
saying you know but but this is jesus himself saying it and not only that peter's confession
thou art the christ the son of the living god and and he says blessed art thou simon son of jona
because flesh and blood did not reveal that to you but my father which is in heaven so that
that can't be them just getting overly excited in john chapter one saying oh we found the messiah
when when peter says you're the messiah he says god revealed that to you that's good and and and
and he tells the woman at the well i'm the messiah right so but why did byron always feel the need
to switch that into the future tense because he's full of crap that's why because he's not a
christian because he's not a christian i just like it when he is he's a pastor menace does it now
everything that he just said is complete garbage oh is that what i think that's what pastor menace
said do you remember when byron literally said that that the jews told him like that he was
actually a jew and just didn't know it no i don't remember that i just listened to the whole
broadcast before coming on here today so that i could be prepared for this conversation and
and and he clearly said and he said it just really quickly and just kind of like muttered it
but he did say that the jews told him like well you're you're a jew and you just don't know it
like you're scattered among you're you're of the diaspora you just don't know oh no i kind of
basically remember that yeah that he must be just a jew in the diaspora and that that knowledge has
just been lost so he's probably he probably got all goosebumps and everything and you know you
know when i compare uh judaizers too they're basically like the theological weebs you know
like you know these people that really geek out on japanese culture and just like they're just
like these really white kids but they're just like super into everything japanese and just anime and
just all this kind of stuff and and they just kind of just really geek out over the culture
well that's how i feel like these people are just with israeli culture they're just like
weaves about is is this dweeb it's really no different same phenomenon it's just this like
because let's face it things that are japanese are kind of like cool and exotic and different
and so then that's how they feel about jews it's kind of like this exotic cool like instead of
just being this farm boy raising heifers he's like on a secret mission to raise the red well
he is on a secret mission because remember the voice that told him he's going to help the jews
or whatever he had a conversation with god audibly that's how we started the debate lucifer
yes and lucifer lucifer was there too that's how we started the entire debate that set the stage
i just feel like he might have mixed up the voices of lucifer and god because then the story makes
sense because he heard god lucifer talking i think he just mistook whose voice was who's i think so
too maybe god maybe god was telling lucifer hey this guy's gonna help the jews and lucifer was
like oh yeah okay this is the guy i'm going to use to bring in the anti-christ because god
hey you know whenever you go to enshrine the anti-christ this guy's going to help you with
the red heifer part of that well he he definitely is we buy here's what i want to know yeah is there
any way and i don't know anything about cows or farming or anything but like i feel like if this
guy could just bottle some of the milk from these red heifers i'll drink it i'll put it in my cereal
because maybe it can produce healings i'll slaughter it and i'll eat it yeah but imagine
like drinking the milk at the red heifer oh man you could make strawberry milk put it in your
cinnamon toast crunch and be my wife loves chocolate milkshake so maybe that would heal
you know she's her throat's hurting so if i can get a chocolate milkshake made from a red heifer
that's where the healing power comes from this is what adam king was talking about on the broadcast
is the healing power of the redhead what do you think i brought up the idea of these lying
this being lying signs and wonders like they're actually start performing these sacrifices and
and then literally kind of like what he's saying actually happens i mean is there any any potentiality
of that actually being the case do you think that that could be a reality i mean anything's possible
because i mean obviously the well i'm saying like the magicians did magic right but i'm just curious
is is god gonna let the devil do miraculous healings like is there gonna be obviously
the i would say the antichrist himself is a miraculous healing right i mean he dies and
comes back the way the antichrist himself is a miraculous healing but the the specific lying
wonder that we get is you know making fire come down from heaven on earth inside of men
so we don't really you know but but outside of that we don't really know what the wonders are
but what about like what about like elon musk because again i kind of brought this up like elon
musk is is trying with the neural link to potentially like restore the sight of the blind
and kind of like heal people through the planting of these particular chips and stuff i mean is that
i don't think anybody thinks that that's a miracle though i mean that's that's just
that's just technology i mean that's that's a good thing if he can it would still seem miraculous
right i mean if he can heal people's blindness with technology i'm for it no i'm not saying that
i'm against that in theory but like could somebody see that as like some level of miracle like
maybe now i think it's going to be real i think it's going to be like more dramatic than that
because if you look at the stuff that the sorcerers were doing in egypt i mean it was
some pretty impressive stuff but there was limitations mistakes and everything there was
limitations so how much there was limitations on their head their magic right and there will be
limitations in the end times too same thing yeah well overall from the debate perspective did you
did you feel like i mean how how was the overall debate experience tell us about maybe the structure
how do you what do you think about that i mean frankly it was it was kind of it was kind of
painful just to listen to those guys like like like this is what i hate about debates in general
is because like you spend half the time listening to somebody who's full of baloney like i remember
back in 2008 was it half the time felt like 90 percent of the time and they wouldn't shut up
back in 2008 i remember pastor burzins gave me a dvd and it was all the republican debates from the
entire 2008 campaign year except it just cut everyone out except ron paul oh that's great
ron paul would talk and whenever someone else started talking it would just jump to the next
ron paul and i was like this is the way to watch these debates like yeah just listen to ron paul
because everybody else is full of baloney anyway and so like that's kind of how i feel when i'm
listening to these debates is that you know you just end up listening to bozos for half the time
or in this case 70 percent of the time and because because you know they got a lot more airtime than
pastor imenez and pastor shelly and then the other thing about it is that i feel like i personally
prefer conversations where there's like a little more common ground because it's it's kind of hard
to even talk to these people because there's just no common ground right like you you know one guy
doesn't even believe in the new testament at all so it's like everything you're referencing from
the new testament just means nothing to the guy so i was kind of hoping that i was hoping byron
stinson would be that guy i knew nothing about him at all prior to this debate and so i thought
maybe he'll be the one that we have some common ground with that perhaps he's just deceived on
christian zionism or something like that but then that went out the window the first like 30 seconds
of the debate or whatever when you talk about talking to the devil and stuff so yeah i kind
of assumed there would be common ground but yeah i just feel like i feel like it's better when
there's like a lot of common ground and maybe just one bone of contention or a couple of bones of
contention when you just disagree on literally everything then it's just kind of all over the
place and then and then when you have four people and then it's just like it just goes so many
different directions i would say in the future like i would rather see more of a one-on-one debate
and i know that's what you originally envisioned for this but adam king just demanded to have a
sidekick or whatever but like if you know i think it'd be better just to have two people talking
and it's better when they agree on more than they disagree on because then or at least have like
some kind of a foundation to to argue from that's a common foundation because on the one hand you've
adam who just doesn't believe the new testament at all and then you have byron who claims to
believe the new testament but is tantamount to a jew i mean he's saying jews go to heaven without
jesus jesus is a messiah jesus well actually no he's not even a messiah he's just he will be the
messiah when he comes the second time uh he he's basically like believing in a future jesus but
not believing in the jesus of the bibles he's not a christian you know because oh i believe the new
testament but then anything you quote from the jesuit he doesn't believe it he doesn't believe
the trinity he doesn't believe the deity of christ he doesn't yeah i mean pastor him in is like
quoted l galatians 3 and he just flat out said that was wrong like after the verse was basically
after the verse was quoted it was just like that's wrong and yeah that wasn't passed up in his
opinion there was no rebuttal just the the text did you notice no rebuttal on pastor jimenez when
he brought up galatians chapter 3 no rebuttal to what the text actually says other than to say
i don't believe that well what does it say that could you give us could you grace us with your
interpretation then byron if it doesn't say what it actually said what what does it say then he
didn't believe christians die and go to heaven he said that repeatedly christians will not go to
heaven when they die and then he also repeatedly said that you know basically these these jews who
don't believe in jesus like they have their own they're like grandfathered in under the old
covenant the old covenant's still there and so how is that christianity at all like the guy is like
99% jew 1% christian yes and so he he was like he's the most extreme judy as i've ever seen
like he's just saying stuff from the bible because john hagi blushed john hagi blushed on that live
stream but like he he like brought up and he says he's telling us how the jews are blinded and so i
thought okay so are you admitting that adam is blinded and then when i brought that point up he
just says everyone's blinded and i'm blinded and it was just like do you even understand the words
that are coming out of your mouth right now because you just said that the jews are blinded
which is a truth from the scripture i mean that's what the bible literally says and i even quoted
some verses on that but then he just kind of wheeled his way out of it when confronted with
the application and they just here was the thing was frustrating they never stuck to a point if we
if we tried to hammer them or get them on a point like they just started talking about something
completely unrelated or just monologuing and it was like i just it was a little disappointing
that we didn't get to like just stay focused on a specific point and get an answer out of them
you know hey what's what's with the inconsistency on Leviticus 2013 or why are you not doing the
Passover lamb or you know what do you believe about this specific verse or what is the synagogue
of satan like even then they didn't even provide any kind of real answer they just talked past it
and and that was frustrating you know there might be around two and i might do more of like an
interview style maybe just a one-on-one with adam or something just to like get some answers out of
the talmud because like here's here's my view i think it's good for people to hear what these
people actually believe because i meet so many christians and they think that jews literally
believe everything in the old testament like they just you know they understand uh that abraham
like they believe adam and eve is real and and they believe all these other things instead of
actually hearing someone say like reincarnation and all this other stuff i mean marching to zion
changed a lot of people's opinion i've heard so many people in fact i've visited like another
country with just some some friends and they were like have you ever seen this movie called
marching to zion and i was like yeah that's great and i think that there's just a lot of people
that need to see that film and need to see it not only in your film but in real life like they could
say like oh he tricked them or like deceive them or something but it's like here's another jew and
let's just keep lining them up and letting them talk and show you know well what they believe we
filmed that movie a decade ago we filmed it in 2014 it was released in 2015 and since then i've
had a lot of interaction with jews in the area here and and i'll tell you every conversation
that i've had with jews since then has confirmed that everything in that film is accurate there's
nothing in that film where my literally hundreds of hours that i've spent talking to jews since then
would say like oh well we got that a little off in the film i mean the film's accurate i mean it's
coming out of their own mouth it's accurate and you know one thing also that adam said i want to
get back to you know the real important subject leviticus 2013 right just basically that uh you
know he said like oh you know you'd have to have like two people like walk in and just catch the
sodomites and flagrante you know and that's the only way they're going to be convicted this is so
stupid because apply that same principle to murder because obviously the bible says every death penalty
offense has to be confirmed with two witnesses yeah but so does that mean i can just murder someone
and as long as two people aren't watching me do it like literally watching me do it i'm never going
to be convicted right like like like i could just go in a room with somebody we hear a gunshot i walk
out covered in blood and there's a dead body in there yeah but i mean did two people see you do
it though i mean that's not what the bible's teaching it's so dumb well i guess that's i
guess that's why the jews really emphasized when they caught the woman adultery we caught her in
the very act yeah exactly and it's it's the same thing with uh believe it or not with rabbi ruben
man which was the the guy in marching design who's like ah so we killed somebody so what you know
maybe deserve it you know that guy we were talking to him like before and after the interview because
like the interviews were great but there was also a lot of just great conversation like while we're
setting up the equipment while we're taking down the equipment and the issue of leviticus 2013 came
up uh just while we were like taking down the equipment we were just chatting and he literally
gave just verbatim the answer that adam gave like oh it's so strict like two people would just have
worked i mean you really expect me to believe that if people are just walking around as open
sodomites in israel they wouldn't be subject to the death penalty i mean it's absurd yeah because
obviously you know two witnesses is just basically referring to obviously two strong pieces of
evidence or something you know it could be it could be you know if if we both saw the guy go
into the room and then the door shut there's a gunshot the guy walks out and there's a dead
body in the room you know you don't have to actually see the moment of death because then otherwise all
you have to do is just take somebody in a room and shoot them and you'd get away with it every
single time doesn't make sense yes someone said just kill all the witnesses yeah exactly you just
kill everybody leave no witness and you're fine i mean how can any intelligent person think this
way you know so so it's like i think that it's one of those arguments that kind of sounds good
when you first hear it like oh that's true oh i guess there will be if you actually think it
through it's like no that's not the way the world works that's not the way criminal justice ever
works yeah i mean what about just a single confession what if the person just openly
admits they did it like are we going to now say but nobody witnessed it so now we can't punish
them because even yeah i mean that obviously admitted it careful with i know i'm just saying
like if they're just openly admitting it kind of like the guy did about david confronts the guy
who's willingly admitting like he killed saul it's like oh but there wasn't two witnesses there so
now we can't put them to death it's like no no no you you admitted it all right go for it obviously
we have to be careful with confessions because sometimes people are tortured or pressured into
giving false confessions so warburg auto warm beer warm beer warburg the north korea hostage
yes auto warm beer but but at the end of the day i mean you know there are all kinds of pieces of
evidence we all deal with this as pastors because we have people come to us as pastors and bring
accusations against other people and we always confirm everything in the mouth of two or three
witnesses we don't just discipline people based upon one piece of evidence or one person's
testimony when i say discipline people but for those who don't know what that means we're talking
about kicking people out of the church we're talking about you know expelling them from fellowship
we obviously don't I thought you were whipping like did you make a small quart of whips
we obviously don't physically discipline people but we it's called church discipline when we would
uh you know do like first Corinthians five or Matthew 18 teaches of putting people out of
fellowship and and you know important excommunicating people from church but but but the point is we all
deal with these standards of of proof and saying hey wait a minute if you're going to bring a serious
accusation you better have some real evidence and it's not going to be based upon just yeah but if
someone came up to you and just said hey I'm in violation of first Corinthians five of being a
drunkard and you don't have two or three witnesses and it's like you would have to still deal with
that because obviously self-admission is reasonable enough to do something with obviously if they're
being no and of course yeah of course with first Corinthians five it's important to realize that
anyone who's repentant sure is to be reinstated so you know I've confronted people about drunkenness
for example because one of the things in first Corinthians five is drunkenness I've confronted
someone about drunkenness and if the person is repentant and they're sorry and they want to be
sober and they're willing to quit drinking then then we don't need to embarrass the person or
throw them out of church or anything like that it's only the unrepentant or same thing goes for
obviously other things too you know but people who are unrepentant lying about it you know whatever
and and they're caught in fornication they're caught in drunkenness and they're not repented
about it you know then obviously they have to be dealt with you know and and so when it comes to
something like murder or sodomy or adultery or whatever you know obviously adultery is not a
spectator sport you know what i mean people aren't going to see adultery happening necessarily i
mean catching her in the very act in john chapter 8 that's a pretty weird situation the vast majority
of the time there could be really strong evidence people could see them you know they're climbing
in your windows or whatever you know and they see that they see that type of a of a scenario
or like you said somebody even admits that they did it they were seen showing up in the middle of
the night both people you know if you see for example a married man and a married woman and
they both show up at some seedy hotel and book a room and they both go in the room together can we
just say like well we didn't watch them doing it or would we say hey we're pretty reasonably sure
that when these people showed up at the no tell motel together that that's what they're doing we
don't have to actually watch yeah they could have been playing uno with cctv we also have that as a
very reliable witness nowadays and so i think that would obviously count as well that you know it's
just like yeah i agree with you just pieces of evidence it's like the the log at the hotel and
the cctv camera watching them go in is the two witnesses you know it's like it's we don't need
to have two physical people there watching and i i just kind of made the joke i said i'm sure the
pride parade provides more enough evidence by itself we don't need we we need no other witnesses
what it's kind of like what they said about jesus like what other witnesses do we need
you know at that point but again the whole point i was just trying to make is like
they have so many commandments from the old testament that they could be doing right now
without this red heifer that they're not doing so so it's like it doesn't seem genuine or that they
really care about following the old testament and i think that's the point that needs to be brought
out is the fact that these jews don't really believe the old testament they just like to cherry
pick some of the more you know cute pool you know the red heifer you know it's like it's not even
the biggest sacrifice in the bible like you would think the Passover lamb would be more of a big
deal than the red heifer mentioned once but i don't see them sacrificing a bunch of lambs on
Passover i don't see them you know doing putting it on a door post or something i think it's
obvious he was anything semblance any semblance of the old testament he's just glossing over
your point pastor shelly like when you bring up leviticus 2013 his he did admit it at least he
admitted it kind of almost admitted it in the sense the way that he interpreted the application
say that theoretically they should be killed he did admit it my point is is that he he tried to
make the application almost impossible in practice to actually uh implement with this thing of well
you have to catch them in the very act and things like that and my point is that i think it was
obvious that you caught him in an inconsistency and that he does not value Leviticus 2013 like he
does this red heifer thing and he really just had no way out at that point yeah because you were
they were bringing i think pastor amen is about the point like you seem like you're negative on
that verse like it's something wrong with it or it's bad or something he rolled his eyes but again
like i've heard dennis prager who's also a jew say they they like this whole bible study him and
jordan peterson they have like a show where they're like interpreting every verse in the
old testament and dennis prager pretty much just admitted like the only death penalty crime in the
bible is murder and it's like what do you mean that's the only death penalties and so they're
just kind of like making all these other ones metaphors or symbolic or something like that so
i was genuinely interested like does adam take this metaphoric approach that dennis prager does
does he think that this should be still be done does he not even believe in that one
and i think you'd probably have a wide range of answers even in the 20th century people were put
to death for kidnapping in america so yeah you know i mean i'm pretty sure i remember that being
a thing i mean you know i'd have to research the actual cases but i'm pretty sure i remember growing
up my parents telling me hey you know kidnapping is punishable by the death penalty under certain
situations and i know that even while i was a pastor the supreme court ruled and they changed
it to where the death penalty could only be for murder that was a ruling that happened in the
early days of my ministry maybe 15 years ago or something because before that you could get the
death penalty for kidnapping well and even in the 21st century homosexuality was a crime in texas
at least until 2003 so do you remember the statute um yeah it's like 21.06 or seven something like
that but it's it's obviously it's one of those trigger laws right we need the roe v wade and
then because they got mad lauren's there's an abortion statute in arizona where you're at
it's like i think it's like 1864 or something like that some law of 1864 is is considered law
in arizona right now in regards to abortion because of the trigger law of roe v wade it
finally got up to the state supreme court and they recently ruled on it and then like everyone
freaked out carrie lake freaked out she's just like oh i didn't you know that's way too extreme
and way too harsh trump kind of alluded to this as well he said it was too far how do you feel
like it was too far in your state are you are you upset about the abortion laws that are going on
right now to be honest with you i i have no idea what you're talking about i mean all of the news
he's just blessing arizona without trying i think like you have the strictest abortion laws
i heard something about a really strict abortion law but i you know obviously i'm totally against
abortion so i'm sure it's wonderful i just don't know anything about it you're not doing
enough doom scrolling but i did just google i did just google this guy carol chesman who is a guy
who was uh convicted and put to death in 1960 for kidnapping and it was uh it was called the little
lindbergh law which actually defined kidnapping as a capital offense under certain uh circumstances
and so this has been done away with but he was uh sent to the gas chamber in 1960 for kidnapping
you know so i mean i guess according to the israelites you know you should be able to
kidnap and whatever but the bible literally says that if you steal a man you'll be put to death
right well i know that the texas governor rick perry put a lot of people to death
like there was like several hundred people that under his reign and that was like 90s so that
wasn't even that long ago um i i looked it up the associated press says this about california
the the arizona supreme court brought back the 1864 law and it says this the arizona statehood
provides no exceptions for rape or incest and it technically only allows abortion if the mother's
life was in jeopardy also it says that doctors can be prosecuted under the law like abortion
doctors could be prosecuted so it sounds great to me so you know ever since i've lived in arizona
and i've lived here for like about 18 years now i believe the laws just keep getting better and
better like all the laws keep getting better like there you go everything's getting better it's
wonderful like they like passed some law that like gave tax breaks to landlords who rent space to
churches like it's just like all these laws keep getting passed that are just so specific and just
like so beneficial i think i know someone who people name steven anderson i think i know someone
who may like that law i don't know that's funny no i mean obviously hey maybe god just blessing
that area because you're over there i don't know who knows arizona is awesome and so now we have
the best uh abortion laws yeah great and maybe that'll get rid of some of the feminist weirdos
that are in that country that part of the way yes there was a feminist who who brought that up to
me the other day and that was the first i heard of it like like literally two days ago that was
brought up to me and i'm just like i don't know because i haven't heard of that brought up to now
now you're and then my wife brought it up to me yesterday now you're bringing it up to me today
so this is the third time i've heard about it what is that effect called or something
for two days ago i'd never even heard of it this is like the denis or the something kruger effect
what is it called uh you're talking about the the dunning kruger oh the biter okay but this is not
this is not the betor minehoff phenomenon because betor minehoff phenomenon has to be something
obscure it's like when you hear about something really obscure and then you like hear about it
again shortly thereafter and you keep hearing about it but the 1864 abortion laws probably like
massive news right now so like it's just i'm living in a bubble is what it is so sorry the
dunning the dunning kruger effect is when you overestimate your abilities i was way off yeah
dunning kruger effect is is called is also known as the kent hovind effect oh man where people who
know very little about a subject think that they know a lot about it oh and then like the more you
learn the more you learn the more you realize you don't know that's the dunning kruger phenomenon
well i really appreciate you coming on give us some feedback is there is there one other topic
or another thing you wanted to bring up ben about kind of the show or i mean most of my list is
crossed out i think we hit the big ones so you had some epic memes we kind of threw some of them
out there just randomly but uh it just it's just kind of funny how the show went in some in some
regards but i kind of my only wish is that maybe we had asked owen if he'd be willing to allow
us to deviate a little bit from the subject the main i thought he did a great job of keeping us
grounded on the topic but because the topic kind of expands into so many different areas
you know again i was i was trying to drive at some of those more under the hood or bigger picture
topics because to me they help address that issue because if we're going to just bring up is can you
find the word red heifer in the bible it's like yeah of course there's in the bible but you know
that's not really the question is it biblical or not you know there's a lot of them just flying to
the bible there was potential for a larger discussion on replacement theology and some
other issues that naturally came up organically throughout the live stream but he did you're
right i mean he did a good job i wish that he allowed me to to get adam to admit who the
messiah was because he kept saying like there's a messiah and i i kind of made a half joke but
i'm like is it ben shapiro but then i said like is it netanyahu like if you believe there's a
messiah of the day like can't you point us to who that particular individual is no because
isn't that a fair question according to adam he might just be a falafel stand only yeah whatever
that is that was ridiculous remember that yeah i do remember it was just like really a falafel
stand operator is the messiah but he's probably one of those failed ones then right yeah falafels
are very tasty well it depends on how good the falafel is yeah falafel's good it's his true
calling he's gonna save the world through falafels or what he's bringing peace into the world and
joy and happiness i do love mediterranean food so finally somebody i can take to a lebanese
restaurant this is where next time he's here i love it maybe i'm just anti-semitic or something
that's probably my my issue all right next time i'm in dallas ben it's going to be falafel yes
tabbouleh oh tabbouleh he like tabbouleh he likes tabbouleh gonna do all of them
oh i gotta take you to see i'm way more america first than you guys so you know i need the burger
and the steak and and there you know if it didn't have legs i don't want to eat it
oh man good night well we'll have you sing in the lebanese national anthem next time you come visit
after you're done eating the great food appreciate you coming on to the live i appreciate you coming
on a short nudist and we just wanted to have a quick recap so you had some really good insight
there um you know i don't know what we're gonna have in the future but i think it's a great
opportunity to bring up marching to zion you got to check it out you got to watch it try to find it
also um you know this is partly brought to you by john hagi ministries you know there was a pretty
good infomercial you did back there so uh but that's what you can find in the movie that's right
marching design design we need we need to find like that clip and just like make a clip out of
it or something put on instagram but do you have any uh do you have any last thoughts there pastor
before we let you go no man thanks for having me come on and and uh letting me put in my two cents
of course it's great to have you come on you're always welcome we look forward to bringing you on
again in a few weeks and uh bring up the daniel series and boy it just seems like the world and
that we're living in that daniel series gets more relevant not less like i mentioned last week there
were plenty of opportunities to put in modern day b-roll even some clips that fit perfectly
with the preaching from 2018 and you guys that are watching the stream you'll know what i'm
talking about once we release it to the world i'm very excited about that well i have to admit
i think that this the debate went pretty well pastor jimenez was a class act he didn't get
to speak much but boy every time he did it was great i thought his closing argument was really
really solid and i appreciated how it kind of ended the show and uh so you know again you
did have to weed through a little bit of trash but overall i thought the debate you could still
learn some things sure there was still some profit even though their folly was manifest
yeah you could just kind of see that they can't really answer any questions um when they were
kind of pinpointed and and tried to be tied down they just wouldn't answer and so i don't know
maybe they'll be around too maybe we'll get some some more answers out of adam who knows i definitely
appreciate owen for coming on the show that was great that was a big yeah and to get want to
re-emphasize i thought he did a great job as a moderator it is not easy to do that and it's it
is easy to act as the monday morning quarterback it's i always should have done this or that sure
i do think he did an admirable job in that position yeah it'd be great to bring him back on and just
talk about um his experiences in prison because i would love to talk to him about that specifically
and talk about like his thoughts on the prison industrial complex and so well just a closing
thought here from the bible in first thesilonians chapter 2 in regards to the jews it says uh in
verse number 14 for ye brethren became followers of the churches of god which are in judaea which
in judaea are in christ jesus for you also have suffered like things of your own countrymen even
as they have of the jews who both killed the lord jesus and their own prophets and have persecuted
us and they please not god and are contrary to all men forbidding us to speak to the gentiles
that they might be saved to fill up their sins away for the wrath is come upon them to the utter
most i mean the bible is scorching hot with that repudiation of the jews right there and i think
we see why when you listen to that debate from this past thursday night you see why there is
this much uh hatred here anger uh from the scriptures when it comes to the jews and you
know what put a cap on this whole thing tell us how you really feel just to put a cap on
this whole thing i trust the 54 translators of the king james bible some of the greatest scholars
that have that have ever graced this earth over christ rejecting adam king when it comes to
second samuel 8 18 well i agree and you know before we end i want to thank our audience too
we had over 200 people in the uh stream and we have some great comments here i wanted to read
just a few of the comments someone said lmao weebs i guess weeb is a term in reference to
people that love japanese culture i would almost say it's a dweeb you know well they definitely
have like jap they have like uh anime girlfriends and stuff it gets very weird i saw one it was sad
like he lost his ai girlfriend because they deprecated the code or deprecated the software
or something like that so she died does that mean it was they literally went through the death
he's like a widow now a widower or whatever he he was uh grieving justin say baptist said soon
as byron said he heard a voice in his head i knew he wasn't saved yeah that's a that's definitely
true wr la tx said facts old ib needs to hear this stuff that's definitely something uh i agree with
ernie 1611 i like that 1611 medium rare steak the real red heifer oh boy that is that's a great
comment that's what that's the red heifer that i get excited about someone said they want lentil
soup what what's wrong with it what lentil soup of course lentils are like the the worst of the
beans right no i'm just kidding my my sister actually makes good lentil soup which to me is
kind of an oxymoron that you could use the word good and lentil soup in one phrase but she really
somehow makes it taste good so you know a lot of people definitely appreciated the podcast a lot
of people liked it so thanks so much for guys tuning in of course tuesday night you don't want
to miss 8 p.m we're gonna have a special guest jornell lugo he's a professional fighter he's
a saved baptist great soul winner great guy really excited to have him on the show talk about some
fighting talk about what's going on in the world what do you think about our next coming show
i'm ready to build an octagon in here and let's get jornell an opponent and really spice this
podcast up we should have you fight him and and we should just like have it modeled like of what
he can do the skills that he has what do you think but i just don't want him to take him soft you
know no that's not what i had why not at all we'll talk you can't take him or what no he'd beat my
ass okay well i think it would be pretty fun to watch i'm willing to sacrifice your life for the
show wow thank you all right well thanks so much guys for tuning in for our recap on the red heifer
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