Thanks everybody for joining us on the Baptist bias. It's day two at the fire breathing Baptist fellowship conference
And I'm joined here with two guests Pastor Dylan Oz and Pastor Aaron Thompson
And I guess we're double dipping with you pastor Thompson. Thanks for coming on the show again
Yeah, you're welcome. It's great to be here again
And last night was a great show or a great. Yeah, it was a great show and it was a great sermon by a pastor
Russell's
Really good sermon. I agree
We got a lot out of it.
Yeah, Pastor Russell lost about 60 pounds
and is joining us on the show.
There we go.
No, I'm just kidding.
We have Pastor Dylan Oz, and it's been a while since you've been to Steadfast, but how are things going in OKC?
Things are going great. It's good to be back at the Sending Church and to see Steadfast doing so well.
But yeah, things are going good in Oklahoma. So, I think it's been very receptive this year, and we're enjoying our first year.
Are you still friends with me?
Yeah, it's amazing.
Oh, okay. We made it.
Man, that's like a long, long time.
No, we're excited to have you and have you preach for us tonight, and we've got some cool stuff
We got some new IFB fan club stickers here that we've been given away
Also some Baptist bias stickers. We've got some cool shirts lots of things
We have a cool backdrop in our backer people been taking pictures and stuff and we had
295 people last night, so I'm not sure what we're gonna have this evening, but it was pretty packed
But I loved it music the singing was great, huh? Absolutely
You didn't even have to use the outdoor seating.
We didn't have to.
That would have been real hot.
It seems really steadfast.
So I wanted to talk about, you know, some kind of controversial topics this week.
And one of the ones that I wanted to bring up tonight was just the idea of racism.
And I feel like when it comes to this particular topic, everybody kind of has their own opinions.
I feel like it's...
There's not really a lot of consensus anymore.
I feel like a lot of people kind of have
just their own little viewpoint,
but it seems like racism itself is just being pushed
by liberal media, by woke people, by Democrats,
as being really important.
We've had a lot of things like the BLM riots.
And I would even say in more recent years,
we've kind of seen a pushback to this,
where a lot of white people are kind of like leaning into
What I would say is just true Nazi-ist views, very white supremacist views.
They say like, there's always white supremacists and I always thought it was just fake.
But then it's like, there's actually some people out there that I'm like,
well, I think that there really is some white supremacists out there.
I just kind of get your guys thoughts here quick.
You know, you kind of see the same thing I'm seeing.
What are you seeing on this like race topic?
Yeah, when I was growing up, the racism seemed directed towards white people exclusively,
or almost exclusively.
But now, especially with Gen Z, it seems like there's a lot of real racism directed back
at black people.
And I think that really the devil just wants you to have a wrong view, whether that's on
one extreme or the other.
Whether that's, you know, white people being brainwashed and told like,
you have to hate yourself for being white, you have to be sorry for being white,
you know, you can't be who you are guilt-free.
Or whether it's just, hey, let's just literally hate black people for being black,
or let's just hate, or saying that they're subhuman like you see on X.
And it is a Nazi ideology. I've read all of Mein Kampf and a lot of what people are spewing
today matches up exactly with Hitler's Nazism.
What about I'm just before I get to pass Thompson. Have you seen I've heard people say like there's these charts or there's diagrams
Or there's things that either Hitler or some of his affiliates are making kind of classifying different people based on their perceived race and
Saying that some races were
Genetically better overall than others obviously hear the idea of the master race
I mean are these just fiction or is this really what Hitler was promoting? No, he called them
which is like subhuman or less human.
And so he had classifications of non-Aryans that were all untermentioned.
Yeah, I tried to ask Grok this, I said, was Hitler influenced by Charles Darwin and Darwinian
evolutionary ideas. And at first, Grok was like, no, no, not at all. And then I started
like pointing out some facts to it and bringing up examples. And then it was like,
well, I guess, yeah, actually he was. But and so, you know, I think sometimes people just rely on
things like AI or asking liberal professors to kind of give them history, when in fact, they're
Hitler, for sure, was influenced by Darwinian evolution, type of ideas, mindset, believed
in inferior races, and that definitely was a part of their culture.
So I think it's important to at least realize that Hitler's not the greatest Christian to
ever live, which someone got mad at me for not being willing to say that.
Name one thing he did wrong.
Yeah.
Name one thing.
Pastor Thompson, what are you seeing on this particular issue?
Well, yeah, like like you were saying that you didn't really think that it was necessarily true that people were you know racist
but and and
You know growing up in the Northwest
Racism wasn't really a thing for white people in that area necessarily me growing up. It wasn't a big thing
I mean, I don't remember, you know, I know that people would say things, you know behind closed doors here and there
But like I don't I did not grow up being a racist. So
So even with church stuff, like I didn't realize that Baptist or Christians in general were racist and like even just
Until like being part of the new FB. I didn't even know that racism existed in southern Baptist churches until
Learning it like in some one of our groups one time
I was like just really surprised because it's not a thing in the Northwest Baptist churches
So it really shocked me to find out that people didn't like whites and blacks, you know dating like
As long as I was at this temple, I found out that they didn't allow blacks and whites to date on campus.
But it was any other...
Are you talking about here in Longview, Texas?
Yeah.
When?
Like is this recent history? I think it might still be discouraged. I'm not a hundred percent sure about that
But but if you were any other
Don't know about Bob Grey senior had this policy. Yeah, that it was discouraged for blacks and whites to date
Yeah, well, I think I think some people realize in 1960
I believe around that timeline is when the laws changed in America because race
Mixing was illegal
and I'm saying after that though like sure but I'm just saying it obviously for the that even
been the culture I'm sure a lot of people would continue believing that beyond the law just being
overturned didn't you say when you were young in the town you lived in there was signs about this
issue I've heard folk stories I don't know how real it is but they supposedly where I lived there
was a sign up said uh if you're a black man don't let the sun go down upon you in this town
I've heard about that in Oklahoma too.
I think it was like a major Ku Klux Klan area, specifically.
The sundown roll or whatever.
And a lot of people don't realize you're foul.
Off and on.
What is it?
Off and then on again.
Okay, sorry if I missed, sorry if I'm messing my mic up.
This is important stuff, right?
Right.
No, I mean, when it comes to the Ku Klux Klan,
a lot of them were Democrat influence,
and I don't think you'd realize that.
Martin Sanger was involved with the KKK.
Racism's a big part of our history as an Asian,
whether you like it or not, that a lot of racists,
even the Southern Baptist convention specifically,
was formed because of racist issues.
were upset about certain missionaries not being funded because they were slave owners.
So the Southern Baptist Convention exists directly as a result.
Do I need to switch mics or something?
Sorry.
Is this better?
All right, sorry about that guys
The Southern Baptist Convention was actually formed because a certain evangelist was not going to be funded by Northern
Baptist churches because he was a slave owner and they felt like that was an
Aggregious enough sin to not want to fund him or that he wasn't qualified for that particular position
And you know, it's really just interesting that our countries had a lot of racism in it
And I think it's important to understand why and what was going on, because today, now,
like I said, like you said, there's people being kind of pushed into one of two extremes
now, and I think people don't realize, you know, that racism is...
been a historical problem, and I think Christianity historically has tried to bridge a lot of those gaps.
True Christianity. I understand like the Catholic Church and some other groups maybe have been like very anti like mixing or black Hebrew Israelites.
Yeah, but I mean, obviously the Catholic Church had the Holy Crusades. Obviously they're very anti-Muslim and other groups of people, but I'm just saying, like, people that truly believe the Bible, I think, have always had a soft spot for immigrants, for the stranger.
I mean, the Bible is giving us commandments to love other nations, to go into all nations, to preach the gospel.
get saved as easily like they're upset when Gentiles get saved they don't want to eat with them
they're trying to avoid them Peter is afraid of like being seen hanging out with Gentiles
they try to throw Jesus off of a cliff because he was talking about the two Gentiles that like
well they hate the Samaritans like the Samaritans are so bad then you you have uh
like when it's talking about certain groups of Jews, they say the Cretians are all-way liars,
evil beasts, low bellies, so they just like hate just all these different people.
So I think that tribalism and racism is just, there's no new thing out of the sun.
It's always been there. It's always gonna exist.
And I think it's important for Baptist preachers to kind of challenge the status quo
and tell people, hey, you know, God's house is supposed to be a house of prayer for all nations.
Amen.
That all men are, and all women, everybody is
Created special, you know everything's every in a Psalm 139 we love to sing the hard parts of that
But it's like I am fearfully and wonderfully made I believe that every person can say that and it's not like oh well
Certain ethnicities. They're not as wonderfully made or they're not a special, you know every soul is precious every soul
has value. And while certain groups of people and certain individuals may have certain attributes
that are better than others, that doesn't make them a better person. It's not like tall
people are better than short people.
Or, well, I know, I know, yeah, obviously, Pastor Thompson's way better than me.
But it's like, strong people aren't necessarily better than weak people, and it's like,
male isn't better than female, and Jews not better than Gentile, and, you know,
what color skin is just like a such a stupid thing to classify people with,
because there's so many other things that are important, so many other characteristics.
And yeah, even if you could say one nation is stronger than another, genetically speaking,
that doesn't make them better because the Canaanites, I believe, are described as being a
genetically superior nation to the children of Israel. And God says, like, hey, you guys are
going to be given this promised land, even though they're stronger than you, even though they're
And then additionally, he even tells the children of Ezio, though,
I'm also not replacing them with y'all because y'all are better genetically.
I'm doing it kind of for my own namesake and for the gospel's sake and a lot of different reasons,
you know, like, you know, God is not the God of race. God is the God of grace.
And we're all coming from Adam and Eve. He's made of one blood, all nations,
from men to dwell upon the face of the earth. So I don't...
I don't believe in racism at all, like, I think it's a bad ideology, I think that we
should love every single, you know, person and try to give them the gospel.
But you know, I would say this, like, I don't go so as extreme as to say that, like, hey,
there's obviously culture issues in the world.
And I don't want to just completely turn a blind eye and say, yeah, just go into the
most
you know uncivilized inner city of America late at night and just you know try to make friends or
whatever like obviously there's some serious issues in America and a lot of people are racist
even if you're not and so you know as a white person I may be hated by a lot of minorities
or or different groups or even white people I mean it's not like I'm limited like there's
plenty of white people that hate me because I don't have white guilt like I'm not even mad about
because I'm white so then white people hate me and then black people hate me
that are you know BLM black Panthers these type of people but you know I
want to show some clips here too but I want to get you guys thoughts from a
biblical perspective you know how would you combat these these this racism
ideology or what the media is saying or just even historical positions people
have held
One thing that came to mind while you're speaking is Romans chapter eight verse five for they that are after the flesh
Do mind the things of the flesh, but they that are after the spirit the things of the spirit for to be carnally minded is death
But to be spiritually minded is life and peace the devil just wants Christians to be
Carnally minded because carnal Christians are not going to be as effective in the service of God
So if the devil could get us
Tribal and get us fighting over our skin color or different, you know, superficial characteristics
Those those Christians who are into that stuff are not as interested in the spiritual fight
They're not as interested in going to church, preaching the gospel.
You know, it's funny, I'm like one of the whitest people that exist.
I live in a very white area, but yet our soul winning program has the greatest success in the black areas
and in the minority areas.
But yet, if I just had this carnal mindset of like, we just have to stick with white people, we have to stick with our tribe,
we would be getting a lot less people saved.
If we just didn't want to go talk to the blacks or didn't want to go talk to Hispanics, you know, so
Yeah, I mean you were with you were with us here in cedar hill for a little while
I mean, this is a predominantly black city as far as just demographically it's way higher representation than than a normal area in dfw
I think it's close like 50 percent of cedar hill is black specifically
Which again from an american perspective, it's only 13 percent
overall. So we're seeing like a way higher percentage in Cedar Hill than you would another area. And
that didn't discourage us from being here. It's receptive here. It didn't discourage us from wanting
to have our church here or go soul winning. And it's been a blessing. Yeah. And you know,
I personally think like if you just look at our church, like if you just came in and someone just
did a bunch of like race statistics or whatever, that we would be about as similar to the demographics
as you could possibly get.
We probably have about 30, 40% white people
or whatever it is and then, you know,
that 15, 20% Hispanic and, you know,
the 13% black and, you know, then Asian.
Like, we're probably, if anything,
we're going to be a lot more demographically diverse than almost any church out there.
Sure. And it's funny to me when people say that we're racist or, you know, we don't like
every group of people. Because what was the comment? Did one of our protesters,
they said something about black people coming to our church? What was it again?
They said that we teach that black people can come to our church if they promise to be slaves in
heaven. Our slaves. Show me that clip. You know, I'd like to see that clip. That's pretty funny.
I'm kind of curious, you, Pastor Thompson, what do you say about this issue or, you know,
when people are kind of bringing this topic up, what are some thoughts that you have?
Well, my go-to is Acts 1726 and it says,
and hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,
and hath determined the times before appointed and the bounds of their habitation. So,
you know, the Bible teaches very clearly, you know, we're all the same blood.
And, you know, what does skin pigment have to do with that?
And I'll just shut, you know, I experienced, I know for a fact I experienced racism more than I've ever given it.
So, I mean, I've been jumped in neighborhoods that were all black before when I was a kid.
I mean, and then just out so many, I've had people make comments to me.
and say stuff to me and and I sometimes I actually get pissed off about it and say something out to
him but like just like you I'll call them a racist and it's just like you know just people are just
you know these Hebrew, Israelite type people not even Black Hebrews like I've had I've ran into
people that were Native Americans that say this kind of stuff to me or just Hispanics that say this
kind of stuff to me and at first I don't realize where they're coming from.
But they just look at us like we're white devils trying to bring the white Jesus to them or whatever and I'm just like well
First of all, I don't even believe that Jesus was white
But you know, I just I always just try to use this verse and just try to break through the racism immediately with I think that that breaks
That verse there breaks through the racism immediately and that you know
God doesn't look at us with that
You know all of our color of our blood is red and that's really amen
I mean, you know, I think that when it comes to racism, I think a lot of people
There is no race or human one. Yeah, I think a lot of people can at least respect the different groups of people like asbestos Christians
But to go get a little bit hotter
Let's turn up the temperature just a little bit more is not just racism
But like race mixing and I feel like when you start bringing up this topic like everyone gets offended
Because the people that think that it shouldn't matter at all
Get get mad at you if you have a preference and then the people that
um, think that it's like somehow bad
getting mad at you for not condemning it and and and I feel like there's a lot of
topics where if you're not for it but you don't condemn it you know you're
just pretty much just you just doomed anyways you know what I mean yeah
but you know specifically on this particular issue of like race mixing I
made a clip uh and and posted it and I want to
play here just a second clip number one but you know I believe
just genetic studies and different information about science, that when you bring in more
diversity genetically speaking, you have a higher chance or likelihood of having a better outcome,
and that if you have too much of the same genetics, you can have genetic issues.
And I think that's what the Bible is alluding to a little bit in the fact that it has prohibitions
against marrying too close of kin.
and when you have people that are really close of kin you can have just the likelihood of having
more recessive genes being passed on that just cause genetic defects and genetic anomalies that
are kind of going to be in a population and make things a little bit worse for that particular
isolated group of genetics. So I want to play this clip and then I want to get your guys reaction
Why do you think America is better? Because we had the mix of Germans. We had the mix of the British
We had the mix of all kinds of different people and let me tell you something the more mix you get the better genetics
You'll have overall and whenever you get in these isolated genetics you turn into a Jew
Why do you think they have f'd up noses?
Look, why do they look inbred look why do Mormons look weird?
You know and I know like you'll see that Mormon tabernacle choir and if from a distance you're kind of like
Oh, wow, it looks like a bunch of normal people then they zoom in you're like I can't find one
They all have this they just look weird
Why because whenever you just get isolated into the population
You know what your genetics deteriorate they get worse and then pretty soon you start having weird anomalies
And when you do that kind of stuff you start getting messed up
And you start looking like Jews because they marry close of Ken
All right, so
Interesting little video clip I made there. What do you think about that pastor Thompson?
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Yeah, this is definitely true
When you just started just pulling from one genetic pool, then that's what happens
I mean, you're gonna start looking weird. You're all gonna start looking the same and do you think that all the Jews are red-headed
You know big nose goofy teeth people in the Middle East or is that a genetic bottleneck?
Yeah, I would say that's a genetic problem
You've been around Mormons up in Idaho. They have a certain state. Do they have a certain look?
Yeah, am I just making this up? You could see him coming a mile away. Absolutely. Yeah
But I'm just saying like if you just kind of like look at them
They just kind of look Mormon like you just kind of like I can tell there's something absolutely like with the genetics
That's you know, you guys all have kind of a certain look. Yeah, and again
Mormons are white. Am I like making stuff up all of a sudden?
Mormons are white. That Jew, I mean, I don't know.
He looks white to me. He's got red hair.
And it's funny to me, it's like you say,
hey, America specifically was kind of just a combination
of people moving from all over the European continent.
You have Germans, you have British people, French people,
you have Spaniards, you have Italian people.
obviously of Scandinavian countries, Eastern Europe potentially, you have a big mix coming
to America. It was not just one specific country. And so Americans were getting a lot more diversity
in their genetics than just Germans only or British only and stuff like that. So I was just
trying to say it, in my opinion, Americans over the next couple hundred years of the colonies
probably got a better genetic outcome.
than just certain European countries because of that extra diversity.
Not only that, they're mixing with Native Americans.
And I'm sure some of that bringing in some of their positive genes again.
So to me, like that was probably a good thing.
Whereas you have these isolated populations,
like Jews, like Mormons, or whatever.
And then it starts to go downhill again, starts to deteriorate again.
That was to me to just help people understand like
And I said this wrong, I said mixed racing.
I'm not talking about mixing different kinds of cars or something.
I'm probably trying to say race mixing or mixing races, but...
I don't think that it's necessarily anything bad, and in fact, you could make positive
arguments that it'll actually have a better genetic result in your children, in your offspring
potentially.
Now, does that mean that if you go out and you just marry someone that's different than
you, you're guaranteed to have some superstar child?
No.
But is it a coincidence that some of the greatest athletes in the world?
are a direct result of a white parent and a black parent.
I mean, look at Patrick Mahomes.
Look at Steph Curry.
Look at Tiger Woods.
Look at some of the greatest athletes.
I think Aaron Judge is next.
Is Aaron Judge next?
Derek Jeter.
There's a lot of different people who are a direct result of that and they are superstar athletes, people that have, you know, performed really well in athletics, they're smart.
So you can't, how can you condemn this particular practice when it has specific successful results?
Number one, number two, the bio has no prohibition on it whatsoever.
And even here, let's talk about a mixed race person in the Bible.
How about Timothy?
I mean, it seems like, and maybe I'm wrong, but Timothy's mom is different than her dad
as far as they're ethnic.
You know, upbringing in their background or whatever, and Timothy's a pretty great guy in the Bible.
Yeah.
So, you know, you have Joseph's children are mixed, obviously, Ephraim and Manasseh,
and they end up kind of just becoming the two main tribes that take over most of Israel.
They're kind of the majority of Israel in the Northern Kingdom is Manasseh and Ephraim.
So like,
You have Ruth with the Ethiopian wives, I don't know if they had children.
Yeah, but you can't say that was a positive story, but obviously you can't say this.
But God was upset that they...
God was mad at Miriam and Aaron for criticizing
Moses for that particular relationship.
But obviously the Bible did have certain prohibitions not to marry certain strange women and strange wives.
And I'm not trying to say that wasn't in the Bible, but you also see Ruth the Moabitis.
In the lineage of Jesus Christ specifically, Rehab the Harlot, you have different women
that are kind of like in the fabric of Jesus Christ himself.
So I don't personally have anything negative to say like, I can't condemn anybody if they
said like, hey, I'm going to marry somebody completely different than me, whether they're
black.
tall Asians, you know, Native American, South African, I don't really care at all. Like, to me,
if that's what they really want, I think go for it. I also, though, I'm not against somebody if
they said, I want to marry someone that's really like me. Like, you know, now here's the thing,
if they say I want to marry my cousin or my sister, then I do have something against that.
But I'm just kind of of the opinion that I think people should get the choice to make
whatever they want.
If they want to have a preference, to have a specific type that's just like them or completely
different from them, I think we have liberty there and we have freedom there and there
is not scientific evidence to suggest that race mixing is bad.
But I've seen a lot of articles saying that race mixing is really bad and kids have really
bad results as a result of that.
I think that there's another correlation that they're not bringing up is the result of that a reason
I don't think it's genetics, but I'm kind of curious. What's your thoughts on this, you know
Dylan this clip and what I just said so, you know interracial marriage has been
controversial among Christians in time past and I think like if if we had someone who believed interracial marriage was a sin with us today
I think what they would usually point to is the Old Testament prohibitions of
the children of Israel marrying with other nations.
And this was actually my Bible reading today.
I wanted to read this in 1 Kings 11 verse 1.
But King Solomon loved many strange women
together with the daughter of Pharaoh.
Women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians,
and Hittites of the nations concerning which the Lord said
unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go into them,
neither shall they come in unto you.
For surely they will turn away your heart after their gods,
Solomon clave unto these in love.
So I'm not denying that yes,
God did have a prohibition of the children of Israel
marrying other nations.
But the reason why I would say that that existed
was not because of race or blood or anything like that,
but it was rather because of religion and culture.
And here's the thing, I am not against race mixing.
I'm not against, you know, even some of the things you're saying of, you know,
different Italians, Germans, that potentially being better.
But at the end of the day, I am against religion mixing.
I am against Christians getting married to people of other religions.
We've been told in America the last, who knows how many years,
that the reason America is great is because diversity is our strength.
And it depends what you mean by that, because if you mean diversity of religion or diversity
of culture, then I would vehemently disagree with that statement.
Bringing in Catholicism to our country only makes it worse.
Look at Islam in Europe.
Bringing in Islam into Europe is destroying Europe. It's making it a hellhole when I went to Germany
It was crazy the amount of Muslims that I saw. I saw straight women holding hands
Not because they're freaks or lesbians, but just because they wanted to be safe from the Muslim hordes that are around
So it's like I'm not for bringing in these different religions into America. I'm for Christians
separating from them even today as far as not marrying someone of a different religion, but
if there's a white Christian man and a black Christian woman and they want to get married,
praise God, that's their preference. But I also don't, I agree with you that we shouldn't feel
bad that, hey, if we have a preference that we like a certain skin color, we want to get married
to that skin color, there's nothing in the world wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
Can I say this also is that Rahab was saved. And so Rahab was a Canaanite, but she was saved
Which was in the line of David, you know eventually became in the line of David
I think he was the grandfather great grandfather of Jesse or I mean of David
So she was part of the lineage because but she she was saved and and that's the difference
So if they became because if they were from that other nation
Yeah, they were they were forbidden
But if they became a nation part of the nation of Israel
Then they were no longer part of that nation like Caleb was part of another nation became of the tribe of Judah
and no longer was part of that nation he was of Judah and so like Ruth became she was a Moabitis
but became part of the nation of Israel and Mary Boaz so you know it's it's about like you said
it's about the being part of the you know the faith as long as they're part of the same faith it's
fine you know there's culture issues that might exist but like
Those things are broken as long as both people can agree,
hey, we're Christian, we're not, you know,
whatever our parents and our family members are,
whatever cultural differences are,
we need to stay away from that garbage
and just raise our families Christian
and don't let these other cultural problems
that exist maybe in black and white families
or African and whatever families, you know,
interfere with our raising our families
and not let those outside pressures interfere.
problems too is what I believe well and again I think that there's obviously
there's a lot of things to consider when we talk about marriage itself right
marriage is an important decision and spiritually the most important thing is
you know making sure that she's saved or he saved right save is important but the
Bible also says
to be equally yoked, and I think that there's more to marriage than just, hey, they're saved.
You know, for a woman, you need to be married to someone that's going to provide, that's
going to work hard, that's going to take care of you.
You know, I think coming from broken homes can sometimes have a big impact on people's
out likelihood of also going down a bad path.
These are things to consider.
is coming from a broken home, doesn't work hard, doesn't have a good job.
It doesn't really matter what their skin color is.
they're probably gonna be not necessarily a good provider.
You probably should avoid that particular person.
Same with a woman.
If the woman is coming from a very feminist upbringing,
feminist culture, even if she's saved,
if she doesn't actually wanna reject that
and kinda get away from that particular culture,
that could be really devastating
and really negative for their relationship.
So I think that's why you see a lot of guys
wanna become passport bros as of late
because they wanna try and find a culture
where they're kind of not brought up in as much feminism and today you almost see white women
being a little bit more feminist than certain countries like certain abroad countries you
know maybe some of the asian culture or hispanic culture is a little bit more respectful to the
husband's respectful about family having more cultural values so like to me even
When you talk about this race mixing stuff for culture, just because they have the same
skin color, they might not even share the same kind of Christian culture, Christian
worldview that you really want, even a foreigner could actually be a better match.
What you brought up about these nations, though, is God didn't say, in the Old Testament law,
that you're not allowed to just marry any.
like he then he like brought up specific nations that they weren't supposed to intermingle with
and so I think that's interesting because you know he didn't just say like literally no one
at all and the bible talked about strangers that would sojourn among them
and want to keep the Passover could actually join that tribe and become part of that tribe
now they were even supposed to actually marry within their tribe
but that's that's not racism either because they're all the same they're all the same family so that
was about inheritance and land and some other particular issues so
You know, are people going to start saying like, oh, you can only marry Texan.
If you're from Texas, you can only marry a Texan or something like that.
Because the Bible said you can't marry outside of the tribe of Judah.
It's like people aren't necessarily, they cherry pick what parts of the Bible
they want to kind of use to their advantage here.
And, you know, if I've seen some comments in the chat, some people disagree with us.
If you have a question.
or something you want us to talk about, I'll address it, but one person said this. They said,
in almost every case of mixing races, you wind up with medical issues, blood issues,
blood issues, and unfavorable genetic drift.
I feel like it's just like such a weird viewpoint that some people have this because again it's
just it's just a fact that Americans themselves are a huge conglomerate of all kinds of different
peoples and even they say oh well it's all Europeans mixing no no we brought in Native
Americans and all kinds of people obviously people in Mexico they're a main mix of indigenous
peoples and the Spanish.
And then again, most of the black people in America today probably have some kind of a
white ancestor because they've all been mixing a ton since they've been here.
So it's like it's hard to find anybody that's this quote, pure, like pure German, pure African,
pure whatever.
And even if you go back far enough, again, we all start becoming related again.
You eventually get back to know.
Adam and Eve, all of one blood.
So that's just kind of a silly thing that people say.
I don't believe it.
I don't think that that's true.
I think that whatever statistics are being quoted there
are fake and not real.
I'm just kind of curious.
Do you think that there's any legitimacy to that?
I think that there's advantages and disadvantages for a lot of different people groups, you know, for myself.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, do you think just like almost every mixed race kid has medical issues, blood issues, and is a genetic disaster?
No.
And, you know, there's a lot more to consider in the health of our country right now than the color of your skin.
How about the fact that people don't exercise anymore seemingly, or eat crappy food?
or live sedentary lifestyles.
Like there's a lot more to consider than just like,
oh, you're mixed race, you're gonna have health issues.
Where is that?
Here's the funny thing about though.
So some people can have history of heart disease
in their family and then if you marry somebody
that has a history of heart disease,
yeah, you're gonna have problems.
Doesn't matter what color your skin is.
So it's just like dog breeding.
Like, and I know we're not dogs,
but animals that are purebred
and that maybe they both have a defect.
If you keep breeding those same dogs,
they're gonna they're gonna that dog those that dog line is gonna have problems
but it's the same thing with human beings I mean if you have these genetic
faults then yeah that's why it is important to go outside of
you know, that gene pool or whatever and marry somebody else and kind of get fixed those issues that are prominent in that gene pool.
And, you know, with DNA, you can kind of discover those types of things and like look into your family history and do you have...
Like everyone in my family gets skin cancer. I get sunburned, you know, five minutes of going outside.
But whether it's... That's not because of mixing...
Races or whatever that would be the absence of it's just you got you got unlucky, right?
Hey, that's what he's bringing up
You just got unlucky or unfortunate because of you know
You both happen to have diabetes right in your family and so now all your kids are gonna have diabetes or something
It's like, you know, it's just you know
Some people are born with diabetes with type 2 diabetes and it's just like yeah, you just you know
It's not because oh one was black and one was white that has nothing that's that that could be purely coincidental
I want to go to another clip. We have a couple different clips
I want to actually just do clip number three. I want to see if you can get that
set up. We'll bring Pastor Anderson in here and the clip is a full thing
so I'm just gonna have to stop it here in just a second, but see if you can
play clip three for us for just a second.
He's he's teeing this up this clip up for us. You got it ready?
It's all right. We'll give him just a second on that.
I kind of wanted to... Okay, we're good.
Let's play it.
I wanted us to know he would have told us.
And you know what? All pictures of Jesus are a fraud.
You say, is the black Jesus a fraud?
Yes, but so is the white.
Right there is a mingling of the Jews with the Canaanites, okay?
Then we have Joseph, another one of the main 12 patriarchs.
He married an Egyptian woman.
Okay, so right away, even the children of Israel were mixing in with other nationalities immediately, okay?
Now go to Deuteronomy chapter 7 because this is what a lot of people will point to
to try to say that interracial marriage is wrong.
There's nothing they can point to in the New Testament, of course.
But they try to take stuff from the Old Testament
and ensude it to their needs.
But look at verse one.
It says,
The Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Parizzites and the Highvites and the Jebusites
Seven nations greater and mightier than Thou and when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee thou shalt smite them and utterly
Destroy them thou shalt make no covenant with them nor show mercy unto them neither shout thou make marriages with them
Thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son nor his daughter shout thou take unto thy son
But look he explains to us why look at verse 4
For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods, so will
the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly."
But thus shall you deal with them, you shall burn their altars and break down their images
and cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire, for thou art an holy people
unto the Lord thy God, the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself
above all people that are upon the face of the earth."
Now some people will try to take this, flip over to Deuteronomy 26, some people will try
He says he means racially, he means ethnically,
and he doesn't want them to mingle that race
or mingle that ethnicity with these other nationalities.
That's not what that scripture's teaching.
He said don't mix with these particular heathen nations
because you don't wanna end up worshiping their gods.
That's the problem.
Now the proof of this, and I don't have time
And it sounds like Pastor Anderson is kind of bringing up the same point you were bringing up, that again, the big issue here is mixing religion, not mixing some kind of a nation or genetics or blood or skin color or any of these kind of things because, you know, that's just not what's important.
I mean, I really, you know, and again, I think that kind of goes to the heart of like the Hitler thing is like he believes in a master race and I just don't think that there is such a thing.
I don't think that there is a perfect, there's like a perfect clumping of genetics.
It's like they all have strengths and weaknesses.
Like you said, light skin.
is kind of a negative sometimes in the context of getting sunburned or being out in the hot sun like it could be a negative for you.
Vice versa, light skin could be a positive if you live in an overcast, rainier area where you get some more vitamin D from that.
And you know, let's just be kind of honest. It's like the closer you are to the equator.
just geographically in the world more people are darker skinned when you go up more north
people are more lighter skinned just generally speaking and that's just generally how
nations are kind of laid out so to me that means that skin color is not better than another it's
just geographically speaking it's advantageous in some areas and it's disadvantageous in other areas
but it's not like one's actually better than
the other. I mean is that kind of how you look at these things? Yeah you know back back to what
he's saying here the reason why God didn't want them marrying these specific heathen nations is
so that they wouldn't turn their heart away from serving God. Today the problem is people will point
out issues in the American black community or in some you know tribal area in Africa and again I
point to the problem being religion and culture.
Now, culture is downstream of religion, so today people who are, again, are carnal and
fleshly, like the Nazis, for example, they want to point to their great, wonderful, grandiose
culture, and look at all the great things white people built, and show me the great
things, you know, the black people ever built, here's the thing, the reason why Germany was
at one point great is because it had Christianity there for a long time.
The reason why America became great is because it had Christianity there for a long time.
Because this is what I think some of the viewers who disagree with us are probably thinking.
Well, I've had all these bad experiences with black people.
And, you know, to be honest, I've had some bad experiences with black people.
I've had bad experiences with white people too.
But, you know, I'll just give an example.
I was literally soul-winning right here in Cedar Hill.
Last year with brother Jacob and all of a sudden we just hear gunfire like very close to us
And we look around the corner and these black teens which usually you know the the news media says just teens
But you know I'll say it they're black teens just started not dumping
They just started mag dumping their pistols randomly into the neighborhood just shooting randomly into the neighborhood
And again like people will have experiences like that and they'll think like oh
It has to be black people that are the problem.
But what's funny is like we have black people in our church that have never done that.
Why? Because they're Christians, because they're serving God, they're fearing the Lord.
It's not a race issue, it's a culture and a religion issue.
Well people need to get out more because it's like there's a difference between a black guy from the UK,
a black guy from Chicago, a black guy from Alabama, the Bahamas, exactly.
And look, we have certain men in our church that
uh are intimidating and scary and are white and then there's people that are darker skin in our church
that seem like some of the nicest, friendliest people you like wouldn't be that intimidated by.
Well it's like what Ben said on one of your shows he was like
you know we've got tons of black people at our church and sometimes I forget they're even black!
sometimes obviously but again like you know obviously when it comes to dog breeds
and going back to this analogy you kind of brought up is it's like some people
have a preference like some people like big dogs and people like small dogs you
know I find certain dogs like really annoying some people like really love
certain dogs or whatever like I think we just all have our preferences we all
personal things. But again, yes, some dog breeds seem a little bit more aggressive, but you
also wonder like, are they also like putting in an environment to teach it aggression,
you know, and are they trying to like basically foster that kind of aggression and not allowing
that aggression to go into a healthy place. And so it's like, yeah, if you take a bunch
of young black men
young black coffee drinkers, young joggers, or whatever,
and you put them in this environment where instead of having like a healthy...
basically a healthy way to utilize all their strength and energy and their mind...
They kind of just go into these gangs, they go into this culture that's very, like, degenerate type of culture.
They're listening to rap music, which is pushed by Jews, of course.
And then it's like, oh, well, black skin's bad.
But it's like, is it really black skin, or is it just like this petri dish of degeneracy that these people are living in?
And no one's loving them enough to go into their community and give them the gospel and try to like help them and actually love them.
And, you know, the only time white people go into their neighborhood is to gentrify it.
It's like, you know, hey, how is it really, you know, it's really just skirting away from the true issue.
And I think that we should realize that it's not like just skin color makes someone bad or good.
We have to look like who's really destroying America. This is what this is what pisses me off
It's like black people while there's some bad black people in America and there's some black
There's some bad black culture elements. It's like they're not in politics really
They're not the ones that are you know the president. They're not
the president's cabinet, they're not the supreme court,
obviously we got one, like they're a token one,
but she's pretty mixed, let's be honest.
I mean, it's like they're not the ones taking over
all of these institutions and tearing them down,
destroying them, they're not bringing in
the YouTube censorship, they're not the ones
canceling me from banks, they're not the ones
causing all of the real major problems
that we have in America.
So, you know, America has had black people in it
for the last 400 years and we were successful.
And I'm not saying slavery is like a good thing, I'm just saying that they were there
and it wasn't causing us problems, but what is causing us problems is white people that
are, you know, not Christian.
It's like what's the problem non-christians? It's not about skin color. It's not about ethnicity
It's not about nation. I guarantee any nation out there black red yellow white
Hispanic whatever any nation that starts to turn towards the Lord is gonna be a blessed nation
And Africa, let's be honest, Africa is not a blessed country or continent in the sense
that they've really turned away from the Lord.
So obviously no matter what skin color was coming out of there, it's probably going to
have a lot of negative repercussions.
But I mean, you know, if you go to Africa today, it's not a beacon of Christianity.
maybe fake Christianity, but not a lot of saved people there.
Well colonization is something that's been like really like oh it's it was so
bad but in reality those countries when they gave it back over to the people.
They're just ruled by warlords that are just murdering each other and they're
just raping the the diamonds and all the this they're just basically making
money and murdering the other people that are the minorities that they can
that see you know they seize power and then kill you know the Muslims will seize
power and kill all the Christians and so on and so forth and rape the women it's
happening right now in multiple countries and it's just really sickening and
sad and nobody's doing anything about it and
You know, it's like South Africa, what it's become and just other nations over there are just really it's it's it's awful
I mean, we don't even realize just how bad it is right now because we don't really get
The news worldwide that we should it seems like we're just kind of shielded from all that stuff
But there's a lot of yeah, we find out the Taylor Swift is getting is engaged. Yeah
Who cares and it's finally getting really not getting enough news coverage about that tranny that went and just shot up a whole school
Or whatever. Oh, yeah, they next that real quick when they don't want to bring up that too much
Was that tranny black? Nope. Oh, I didn't think so. That's interesting isn't it?
Now again, obviously some trainees probably are black, but at the end of the day, it's just like is it is the problem in America?
Black people know it's it's an absence of Christianity
It's a rejection of Christian principles that we had, you know America was founded by a lot of mixing
from lots of different nations, but one thing was in common at the beginning of this nation
is to establish the Protestant faith and the faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. You couldn't hold
political office without having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. You couldn't be a Catholic,
and it's sad because I feel like the Catholics, after coming into our nation, have made it more
racist, and they're more about establishing, like you said, carnal things about skin color
You know, you're not gonna have success no matter how carnaly superior you are when you're not serving God
David was not carnaly superior to Goliath yet
He was victorious because the Lord fought his battles for him and you know our nation needs to put our faith in Jesus
Not in our carnal strength
Even if we were like just just even you could say like objectively Americans are way better than everybody else genetically or anyway
It doesn't it doesn't matter because if God's not for you. Yeah, you're not gonna be successful
So, that's why it's important to ignore these nonsensical, racist issues, worrying about
quote, race mixing being an issue, like, I have no problem.
We have tons of people in our church that are like that, and I think it's great.
Yeah.
Well, you know it's a good example of, if God's not for you, you're going to be destroyed
is Nazi Germany.
Yeah. Because, you know, speaking of Catholics, guys like Nick Fuentes, there's like this weird
glorification of Nazis and Adolf Hitler recently in recent years. But it's like, explain to me
why millions of women and children and German families were, you know, given up in a Holocaust,
if you would, exterminated from a horrific world war.
the worst war the world's ever seen, why did God allow their country to just get pulverized to the
ground if they were so godly and their beliefs were so wonderful? Wait a minute, what if they were
just better? They're like, they're so much better than everybody else, then why did they lose?
Right. Exactly. If they're so much better, why did they lose? Right. And here's the thing,
like these racists, since they have no accomplishments in life and they have nothing that they're
is identify with their skin color and the achievements of our forefathers.
But it's like, okay, if you're one of these racists listening right now and you actually
think you're superior and you're better than everyone, you're better than all the black people,
well, why don't you go share your superiority then and go preach the gospel and help these
individuals if you're so great? But what I've noticed is that the racists are not the ones
beating down the doors of the neighborhoods today, getting people saved. You know, at least
was like a benevolent racist.
You know what I mean, like he saw himself
as being way superior to the Indians,
but like his goal was to bring India clean water
and clean streets.
I'm not agreeing with his racist mindset,
but like at least if you're gonna be a low IQ racist out there,
at least share the gospel.
Yeah, but wait a minute.
Is it racist to identify we have more civilization
than you do?
Like how's that racist?
No, it's not.
That in and of itself is not.
When we go to Africa and we build wells for them,
is that us flexing, or her?
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tuning off here on our Baptist bias channel so if you if you want to continue watching our
conference you need to go to the steadfast rumble or to god resource and check out the stream there
you're gonna want to hear pastor dylan awes sermon tonight it's it's uh the sermon is why
white people are better than everybody else no i don't know what the name of a sermon is but uh
we're excited to have him here and preaching for us
and we're excited for Pastor Thompson when he gets to preach on Sunday.
Make sure to tune in to all the sermons. Tomorrow night we're going to have the Baptist
Bias at 5 p.m. Pastor Steven Anderson. One last plug for each of you guys if there's
something else you want to say. Pastor Thompson. About the subject. Anything.
Well I just I do want to just say that yeah I mean I think it's stupid to be racist and especially
you know
As far as like, I just know that there's grumblings of racism in our types of churches, and I think it's just stupid to be a white nationalist if you want to say like that you're just like some, you know, white supremacist within our churches and you're just kind of like hiding it or something.
Like Hitler was a, you know, he was a loser and he ended up losing and like to just think he's the greatest story never told or something.
And I really don't want that mindset in my church.
And if that's just you, then please definitely keep that to yourself
because I'm not racist and I don't want my church to be racist.
Amen.
We're all of...
No more Nazis. Dylan, you got some else you want to say?
I just want to let everyone know. September 6th, Saturday, we're going to have a
Solonning Marathon in Ardmore, Oklahoma. So if you're anywhere close to the border,
Texas, Oklahoma, you want to join us, shoot us an email.
Remind me and I'll put that in the announcements.
Hey, Pastor Shaw, one more thing real quick.
I got it. I got it in the show.
Thank you so much for tuning in. Everybody's got a perspective out there,
but you need to get the bad to spy us.