We have a special guest that's going to come on noon, Dr. Andrew.
Really excited to have him come on and talk about, he's about to have release, Protocol
7.
We're going to go ahead and join him now.
Dr. Wakefield, it's great to have you here on the show.
Jonathan, thank you so much for having me on.
Make sure we're getting you up there on the screen, maybe.
I don't know.
There we go.
Sorry about that.
So thanks so much for joining us and you have a new movie coming out, Protocol 7.
Why don't you tell us a little bit about this film?
Certainly, well, as a physician and someone who'd been involved in vaccine safety research
and the failings of the pharmaceutical industry and the regulators over many years, people
would come to me because of the position I'd taken from the CDC, from the FDA, from the
health in England, or from the industry.
And they would say, we have done a terrible thing.
We can no longer live with this.
And here is the evidence.
And so I became a repository for whistleblowers, some whistleblowers.
And these, I would at the time, when I was still practicing, I would pass these on to
lawyers to be dealt with according to their merits.
But they would make amazing stories.
And one of the things that struck me over the years is that there was no accountability,
none at all.
That people could do the most egregious things, and they would just move on to another job
and public, and particularly in this case, the children would be left to, damaged children
would be left to pick up the pieces.
And that was not good enough.
And so with this film, it was a story in that moment, it was a whistleblower who came to
me many years ago and told me the most extraordinary story of fraud, Merck in relation to the mumps
vaccine as part of the measles mumps rubella vaccine.
And I decided that it was time to make a film to tell the world because this case would
be likely in some way to settle without anyone hearing about it with three lines at page
five of the New York Times and no one would be aware of what happened in the interest
of profit and certainly not in the interest of the children.
And therefore we had to move forward, take a risk, if you like, and the unique thing
about this film, Jonathan, unless someone corrects me otherwise, is that the majority
of films like this that are made, whistleblower stories like Erin Brockovich's, the crime
is committed, the court case resolves, the book is written and the movie is made.
This film is being released right in the heat of battle, right in the middle of the litigation
which is currently taking place in Pennsylvania.
So a very exciting story and one which I would absolutely, absolutely compel your listeners
to go and watch because it really will change their lives and their understanding of what
is going on behind the scenes.
Yeah.
I find that really interesting.
I'm kind of curious when you talked about this whistleblower coming to you, what year
is this or what was the timeline when they...
This is back in about 2003 or 2004, I mean a long time ago.
Okay, wow, yeah.
It is, and they've done everything they can to delay the case and to string it out and
to take it out of the public consciousness, and I just decided enough was enough.
The same faulty vaccine is being used, the same vaccine which they fraudulently misrepresented
is still being used, and the people who are paying the price for this, that is the children
who are receiving this vaccine are not getting any kind of justice and that's unacceptable.
Well, and it's kind of a shame that a film like this, it's very difficult to share the
information about it.
It's not like mainstream media is probably blasting your film right now.
I'm sure it's something where you kind of have to send it out on maybe alternative media
or alternative news and talk to different individuals and kind of raise awareness for
the film itself.
Have you seen any major publications promoting your film or even talking about it?
No, but you know it's very, very interesting.
Years ago I released Vaxxed and I don't know whether your viewers remember, Vaxxed was
about a fraud at the CDC in respect of MMR and it got into Tribeca Film Festival, which
is a very eminent film festival and then it was banned, it was withdrawn, it was censored
and Robert De Niro disapproved of this and he went on the Good Morning America and the
Today Show the following week to talk about Tribeca and all he spoke about was the film
that didn't play, Vax, and he said that we shouldn't have done that, we should not have
censored this film, everybody should see it and it exploded worldwide.
So I think that they've learned their lesson from that and they're maintaining a very
low profile but certainly the influence of pharma upon mainstream media is considerable.
Indeed, the nightly news networks would not exist without the pharmaceutical industry
in its current form so it is going to get out there, not least of which is through shows
like yours as part of the alternative media, if you like, which actually do reach people
now.
People do listen in very large numbers and are increasingly shunning the mainstream media
because it's not giving people the truth and so that plus the experience of COVID which
has opened so many people's eyes to the insidious relationship between the pharmaceutical companies
and government agencies and the profit over people motives that people are listening and
I think it's going to have a huge audience.
Well, I know I saw Vaxxed and I feel like a lot of people talked about that.
I saw it back in 2016.
Some friends actually were like, "Hey, you got to come over, you got to watch this film."
And I was already very anti-vaccination just personally.
That was kind of my own personal beliefs at the time.
And so I was definitely interested in the film, really enjoyed the film.
And you know, it's kind of interesting to me to see someone who has a medical background
and you are a doctor.
Now this is, what number of film is this, like number three or something?
No, this is number six.
Oh, number six.
Now you're a filmmaker.
How do you make that transition?
I'm kind of interested like, because that's not typical, right?
Someone is a physician to make the transition into maybe a documentary film or filmmaker.
How do you make that transition?
Well, it's a very good question and I get asked this a lot, you know, what they did
because of the stance I'd taken, and people have learned this through COVID, what happens
to doctors and scientists who stand up to the system, who challenge the stock price
of the pharmaceutical companies, then there is no mercy.
And that's what happened to me.
I had my license taken away and I came to America as a sort of professional and political
exile and continued the work in this great country and eventually they managed to shut
me down.
They're very, very powerful and there is no price you will not pay for taking against
them.
And it was a very different world in those days.
This cancel culture was virtually unknown and it really has exploded in the face of
COVID.
But I had to go on serving these children somehow and I wanted to know how to do it
and I have asked myself and I had these stories from whistleblowers and I thought, you know
what?
I've always, I love film.
I wanted to turn them into movies and I started screenwriting in 2004.
I started taking director's courses, reading everything I could read.
I sort of applied my academic training to the study of filmmaking and got more and more
into it.
And this was my first full length feature film based upon the screenplay.
In fact, I wrote the screenplay with Terry Rossio and people say, "Who's Terry Rossio?"
But Terry Rossio wrote little known films like Shrek and Pirates of the Caribbean, Godzilla
versus King Kong and things like this.
So a man at the top of his game and a great friend and we made this and we filmed it.
It was a wonderful experience.
I enjoyed it enormously.
It was the essence of collaboration and sort of mutual goal.
It was fantastic and some wonderful actors.
So there's no going back.
I think I love feature films now and we'll continue to make them.
So that's really how it came about.
Yeah.
I want to pull up the IMDB I think on the screen while we're sitting here and looking
at it.
But definitely this new film, it's kind of like a drama based on true events if I'm describing
it accurately.
But it's got some pretty big name actors in it.
I was looking and I recognized immediately and I don't know exactly what his character
is, maybe a CEO or a major manager of Merck, I'm assuming.
But Eric Roberts is a pretty famous actor, always that villain character.
He's a good villain.
I'm kind of interested like when it comes to this film and everything, is it your partner
that's kind of spearheading this and bringing a lot of these actors?
Are you working with them or are you on set?
What does that look like?
Well, so we sat down and we decided who do we need, I had written the characters and
I had a sense of who I wanted and among them were as you say established actors like Matthew
Marsden from Rambo and Black Hawk Down and Eric Roberts and then there were some new
discoveries and I want to mention just two of those and one was Rachel Whittle and Rachel
is in Louisiana and she came to me through one of my producers, Joy Vasakha, my two wonderful
producers on the show and she had done some small parts previously and we got in response
to our you know our casting we got two and a half thousand young women responded saying
you know we'd like to send in reels of the particular scenes we'd sent them and it was
very tricky I mean two and a half thousand and some of them cases very very good actors and she
stood out head and shoulders above the others absolutely extraordinary her preparation her
everything about her and so she is someone to really watch out for in the future and the other
one is a young chap who plays the sort of whipping boy at Merck Harrison tipping who is an English
stage actor who came to this is his first movie and again gives an excellent performance so it
was a joy working with them and they made my life very very easy and we have a dare
I say had a great film I really mean that and I don't say that lightly and we just in
the last week have won 17 film awards so we're very very pleased with that things are going
very well.
And it's based on a true story I know you mentioned at some point about the legal battle
is that still ongoing? What is the status? Okay so it is well so the film is actually
still alive and well in a sense so I guess the film's kind of covering the first part
of this this journey in the story but we're gonna have to continue living it.
Well there is the opportunity for a sequel but not least of which we tell a complete
story we tell the story that in perhaps in some way should play out. Right. If this case
is filed under the False Claims Act where the government has been defrauded the CDC
purchases this defective vaccine knowingly defective vaccine for its Children's Vaccines
for Children's program. So the government has been defrauded by that is the allegation
by Merck. However the problem is this that for political reasons I'm quite sure in order
to not cast aspersions upon the safety of vaccines and put the public off and all kinds
of reasons profit among them. The case the judge and Merck didn't defend in any way
the in any material way the allegations of fraud. They said the CDC continued or the
government continued to purchase this vaccines therefore it wasn't relevant. You know we
could have if the government really felt strongly about this fraud then they could have done
something about it they could have stopped purchasing the vaccine. In other words it
the fraud is not material and so this issue of materiality is what the judge ruled on.
Yes there was fraud yes merged all these things in my opinion but it wasn't material because
the government went on buying it. Now the government turned around and said no we had
no choice you bundled these things up into measles mumps rubella and we need to give
children vaccines against measles and rubella and we have no other source so you've got
us with our hands tied behind our back we've got to buy your vaccine despite the fact that
the mumps component may be defective is defective and so but the judge didn't buy into that
and so now it's gone to appeal and we will that will play out I think towards the end
of June and then it may well go on either to have the case continued and go to jury
trial which it won't do but all of this made me realize how important the film was because
here was the here was the possibility the very strong possibility that for political
reasons Merck could get off the hook they could get away with this they could get away
with this outrageous behavior and I cannot allow that to happen knowing what I know and
knowing how it's affecting people out there across this country that can't be allowed
to happen and so the story must be told whatever the consequences for us well it looks really
gripping I want to play the trailer here for a minute and get everybody to kind of have
a sample here and then we can kind of talk about it a little bit more but you know I
definitely think it's really important to get the information out there and to talk
about it and I think that you know court cases like this legal battles like this help some
people recognize this is a real battle it's not just you know somebody just giving their
random opinion or something but rather there is real life implications there are people
fighting this and so let's go ahead and play this trailer here for protocol 7 we oh give
me just I guess give them just a second I want to play the trailer from I think it's
from imdb they have the movie just a couple minutes go ahead and play it if you can smart
right oh there we go then we got him home and he crashed right in front of us apparently
we're in the midst of a month's outbreak another some people some very important people are
saying our vaccine does not work i don't want to read this we have a us monopoly and a major
share of the world market for mmr and we own the only one that works except that it does not
we all sign contracts general company interests above all others make it work they fake the data
it's all there they cheated on every level you said you're a lawyer family law and you want to
understand why let me see it get the result they want so they re-engineered it objective
improve the vaccine but find something that gets the resulting fix it gentlemen 96 percent
i think fails we're all out of a job it has failed you need to get what's going on here
is he in danger internal memos were released quote we may have to seek them out and destroy
them where they live killing those and yes he is in danger what about his show your son and
every other son and daughter depends on whether or not you choose to live by their rules incineration
immediately can we trust him to keep it together were you aware some tests included the weak and
strain ably and did you approve i guess so were you aware of the lab's failure to demonstrate
efficacy of the mumps vaccine a level required by the fda no to respond to the fda's concern
and leave a dangerous vaccine on the market dangerous objection strongly recommended booster
shots of course you did what have they got right nothing's what they got would you please identify
this document for us please identify exhibit two for me they've got stuff don't be willing
exhibit three this is a confidential document objection these were shredded it's a protocol
they've got the sheets they've got the evidence i was told they didn't have no one will ever
believe them again i was really gripping um you know it's kind of funny to me because lawsuits
in general uh are not very exciting they can be really boring but the film itself is capturing
a lot of intense moments some really good acting it looks like there i'm excited to not only get
to find out the information but even be somewhat entertained while learning about this um maybe
even horrified i don't know but uh how do you feel about the trailer i i love the trailer i kind of
get goosebumps every time i see it and you make a very good point because being a filmmaker your
job is to entertain unless you entertain first and foremost you don't have an audience if you
entertain people and you then tell them a story factual content work you get them sitting forward
in their seats wanting to know more then you have an audience and so we have to make a film that
primarily entertains it has to be factually correct has to be honest has to tell a great story but it
must grip people they must want to know more about the story so yeah well i i think it looks
great it looks fantastic i really enjoyed the vaxt film and it was more of a documentary style
from my memory but this is a this is a little bit more of a drama and i'm excited to kind of see
how it unfolds and and what's going on getting more information about the legal situation and
you know the thing that's hard for some people to realize is this is real people this is real
mothers this is real children you know to lose your medical license is is a big deal i know that
you know a lot of people want to be doctors i think in reading your biography you came from
a family of doctors isn't that correct your your family your parents were doctors as well
six generations six inter so to be a doctor was probably a big deal right we all trained at the
same medical school um st mary's hospital in london my brother cousins uh nieces nephews
have all gone into medicine um so it's in our blood and it was a big deal but you you have a
choice and this is you come to the crossroads and the crossroads are you know the dean of the medical
school said to me if you continue this vaccine safety research it will not be good for your
career and that kind of made me angry made me determined to work twice as hard at it because
what about the children hang on you know i don't work for the drug companies i don't work for the
government i work for the person sitting across the desk from me whose life has been destroyed
and so he reached that crossroads and the decision is do i work for these people or do i work for
this child that's an easy choice the consequences are not so easy to deal with but they're just
they're part of what you know you the decision you've made and they're part of why you signed
up to do this job in the first place so i in that respect have no no regrets and i i'm loving the
opportunity now to tell these stories and film and with the help of people like you getting it out
there through alternative media if you like is so powerful so so powerful and and i one thing i
would strongly recommend i want this film to play in every town in north america that has a movie
theater and we can do that now we can do this by theatrical on demand and that means that anyone
anyone can go and go onto the website at protocol7.movie and you scroll down to
host a screening and you can host a screening you can at no cost to you you say i want to host
a screening gather the company g-a-t-h-r will find you a movie theater in your town
and all you've got to do is get people your friends your family your fellow activists your
fellow church members to come to that movie on a particular night they usually do nights which are
sort of low uh you know monday tuesday wednesday they're not full so they will sell you the theater
or give you the theater and if you get a certain number of tickets sold to your friends family
etc then you tip the theater you own it for the night and you can play the movie the movie will
screen so everyone can have their host their own screening of of this across america so please
please please go to protocol seven number seven dot movie and learn how to do it it's a wonderful
way of getting the movie out there and i want this film to be the kind of success that really
meaningful films like sound of freedom have been i think it can do the same kind of thing and then
what that enables us to do is go on and make the next movie right yeah i got to see uh sound of
freedom in theaters is a great film and um we've even are ourselves have hosted a few screenings
private screenings at movie theaters and i think it's probably a process that a lot of people need
to be aware of just because good films these days uh you sometimes have to do it yourself and you
kind of have to get out there and be an activist and i know on your site here you've got several
theaters that have already kind of signed up and then there's opportunity for people to do
their own screenings and so highly encourage people to participate in this project in this
film you know this this topic is is definitely uh near and dear to my heart because back in 2014
i was we were pregnant with our first child and so i actually started doing research on these issues
and trying to figure out you know what i believed and what i kind of wanted to do and it seemed
pretty clear that you know there was a lot of uh talk about how great you know mmr and all these
different vaccines are but they didn't really want to show you the evidence they didn't really
want to talk about any possible negative side effects or any issues and that was definitely
alarming to me that you know if it was such great science then why don't we have all these double
blind studies why aren't we just showing the evidence why don't we talk about the adverse
reactions and I even know someone asked a question here and we kind of just want to get your
perspective but someone was just kind of genuinely asking do you think that the MMR vaccine is safe
and just kind of to go beyond that do you think that all vaccines are safe or is there you know
what's kind of your view when it comes to just vaccinations in general? Well put aside the issue
of pro and anti-vaccine and simply ask yourself a scientific question and that is have the definitive
safety studies been done which allow you to contend that they are or are not safe and of course those
would be those definitive studies are a large long-term randomized comparison of children
receiving the vaccine with those not receiving the vaccine and for the childhood vaccines on
the schedule those studies have not been done. Let me give you one example. Hepatitis B vaccine
which is given to infants one day old infants on the recommendation of the CDC and the
is it's really for a disease which is a disease of intravenous drug abusers and sexually promiscuous
okay that is not for children at all right those the studies the safety studies for that vaccine
how long did they last how long would you want them to last we'd want them to last a very very
long time those safety studies for the Merck product the Merck hepatitis b vaccine was five
days five days so if your child fell ill on the day six it was nothing to do with the vaccine for
the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine it was four days this wasn't even done this study in children of the
appropriate age not in neonates it was done in older children and there were no controls
that is not science that is not science and so one cannot say that they are safe and effective
based upon the existing science irrespective of how I might personally feel about vaccines
as a scientist that is what I would demand and that is what is missing you know I'm interested
uh also there's an article I want to see if we can get it pulled up but you know I kind of hear
this mantra that there's no link between um any vaccinations and autism and you know I think that
that's a primarily a lot of the angst against you is is saying that there may be a correlation or
that this may have some relation and some people say that this has never been proven and things
like that and you know here's an article that's from CBS News and it's talking specifically about
how a family was awarded 1.5 million dollars and a vaccine autism related injury and what I found
interesting about this specific article is kind of down below I don't know if you can scroll down
it says like read Cheryl Atkinson's 2008 report but there's a paragraph right below that it says
in acknowledging Hannah's injuries the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown
mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't quote cause her autism but quote resulted in it
and I just felt like that was interesting wording it was kind of tricky wording that
okay this this young girl is getting paid by the government for a link to autism due to a vaccine
injury and they say well it didn't cause it it just simply resulted in it and I guess from a
parent's parental perspective I don't even think that they're hearing that. Do mothers really care
whether it causes or results in it? I'm just kind of curious what your thoughts are. You're
absolutely right this kind of government double speak is is obscene it's absolutely ridiculous
and it's an insult to the intelligence of parents it really is. I mean firstly this is not a
mitochondrial defect it is a conserved genetic variant that at some stage conferred an advantage
it's not a defect at all it's just that some people have this particular genetic makeup others
have a different. Does that put them at risk of reacting badly to a vaccine? So that would be the
natural course of the science that should have flowed from this what should have happened is the
CDC should have commissioned the definitive science to answer this question they didn't they ran a
they ran as far away as fast as they possibly could. Well and you know again some people are
just unaware that there's programs like VAERS there's other ways in which vaccine injuries
are reported and I think that VAERS actually got a little bit of attention due to COVID because
a lot of people heard about it since then. Now I actually had written a I think I told them to go
to the wrong I had actually preached a couple sermons on this but I also want to go to some
else go to the godresource.com article that see if you can get that pulled up yeah scroll down
and go to the citations. So I wrote an article about vaccination in 2015 and I put some research
in here and one of the things that I found kind of click on that citations button yeah so scroll
down a little bit probably like number four it's a little bit further yeah right about
there and I don't know if we can pull up that chart a little bit cleaner verse number six
actually if you just click the link yeah click that bottom one not the yeah the bottom right
there the very bottom yeah exactly and then scroll down a little bit to the first chart.
So if you look at this specific chart it actually talks about the infant mortality rate in developed
nations and america is actually 32nd on this list i believe if we scroll all the way down
a little bit what is the number there it's kind of i mean it's fuzzy for me but it's
pretty much at the bottom almost you know several other developed nations have a much
better infant mortality rate and in this same article if you scroll down a little bit further
yeah see if you can scroll down to the next yeah so the united states was 34 in this particular
list at 6.2 scroll down a little bit further in this article if you can and I think that
it has yes the number of doses for these particular countries as well or the number of vaccines
that they would receive as a requirement and you kind of notice a pattern and it's a loose
pattern but albeit the developed countries that have the lowest infant mortality rates
also seem to have generally speaking the lowest number of required vaccinations.
Now again maybe that's just a complete coincidence but at the same time to me you know it could
be related as well and it doesn't seem like anybody's bringing this up about how the infant
mortality rates higher in the United States and we have a higher number I think we might
even have the highest number of required vaccinations for children two and under.
I just found that this information was kind of was interesting to say the least I don't
know have you seen any kind of data on this or is this something you've ever kind of looked
into as far as the infant mortality rate and considering like the number of doses of vaccination
that children receive.
Yes my focus has been largely on childhood developmental disorders but exactly the same
applies for infant mortality rates adverse outcomes across the board have this correlation
to vaccine doses now that doesn't mean causation but what it does is to it should light a fire
under the regulators to establish whether or not correlation and causation do lead us
to cause or not if only to put the public's mind at rest but they haven't and when they
lie as they did lie in Vaxxed it takes on a whole new meaning because as a student of
human behaviour what I look at is do I trust this person or not, do I believe what this
patient is telling me or not and when you see someone lie it's a visceral reaction
it's not a cerebral reaction you look at them and you know instinctively that they are not
being honest with you or on the contrary I can trust this person and I've watched them
lie and it's when people need to lie they've got something to hide and they've certainly
got something to hide and that I find even perhaps more persuasive than the positive
evidence is their need to lie which is what they did with the MMR autism study that was
featured in VAX so I have grave misgivings about this in terms of safety and efficacy
and the deeper you dig the worse it gets and this is something that people like Bobby Kennedy
found when he first got involved in this.
He just couldn't let it go because it was so compelling this link between neurodevelopmental
disorders and vaccines and so we will get an answer to it, we will but we have to force
the issue and what we must never do is make decisions based in fear so with this film
we put it out so Merck come after us or they don't but if they do that's just the price
we pay for telling the truth and but we must never ever make decisions based in fear.
Well I like that advice and you know again when it comes to this topic I feel like the
truth fears no investigation you know some people might ask or question like why would
they lie about this stuff or you know what's the incentive to hurt children and I don't
think that anybody genuinely wants to hurt children you know I don't believe that at
all but I do think that there's a monetary issue here that kind of clouds the waters
and whenever I again I when I was doing some of my research I noticed that when it comes
to political lobbying a lot of these pharmaceutical companies are giving large sums of income
to lobbying specifically and this is public information I think I have a chart I want
to see if we can get it pulled up in 2010 and again I wrote this article in 2015 so
the data is kind of around the timeline but in 2010 and quarter one health lobbying it's
this public record information you can see which companies gave to political you know
individuals such as you see Pfizer giving four million you see Merck giving three point
two million you see GlaxoSmithKline giving two million of political lobbying in 2010
and then if you scroll down a little bit in 2011 then the government also issued publicly
available information contracts to companies as far as the manufacturing and you'll notice
the same virtually the same kind of companies GlaxoSmith is awarded a seven hundred and
eighty six million dollar contract Merck is awarded a one point seven billion dollar contract
Pfizer's given a one point six billion dollar contract and again you know you could just
say that's coincidence again or that's just interesting but there's big bucks and this
is this is numbers from 2011 I can't even imagine what the numbers and the contracts
are for COVID or for some of these other potential health contracts so there's a lot of money
if it was found out that these manufacturers are doing something dishonest insincere or
causing harm when they shouldn't I mean this is going to cost a lot of money to certain
individuals, isn't that not true?
Exactly right I think that there is a huge amount of money at stake and in fact in this
particular case Merck were faced with a dilemma they had a vaccine that didn't work the mumps
vaccine and they could either say right we're going to pull this from the market we're going
to go and develop a new mumps vaccine that is safe and effective and we're going to prove
it during doing the appropriate science or the alternative is we're going to just change
the numbers we're going to fake the data in a way that give us the result that enable
us to convince the FDA to renew our license or protect our license and our U.S. monopoly
will continue and we'll make a lot of money and so that commercial expedient was what
in fact you know dictated their actions at the end of the day and they did the wrong
thing they did the wrong thing but and why is this important you may say well if a vaccine
doesn't work how does that make it dangerous and the problem with mumps is this that mumps
in children is a trivial disease that's widely acknowledged mumps in post pubertal young
students young adults is not a trivial disease it can cause testicular inflammation and sterility
or ovarian inflammation or meningitis at a much higher rate meningitis than in children
so if you have a vaccine that only works for a limited amount of time or not at all then
you makes us people susceptible to mumps again when they're older when it's a more dangerous
disease so a vaccine that doesn't work makes mumps a more dangerous disease and Merck
knew this and yet they continued so safety and efficacy protectiveness are inextricably
linked in the context of mumps and this is why a thing that is a theme that is brought
out in the film very clearly so that people understand that.
And that's that's basically because contracting the disease and building natural immunity
is different than the theory behind why vaccinations give protection is that correct.
Yes indeed and we know that with these infections like measles mumps one one exposure to the
natural infection as a child leaves to protection for life you are protected from that disease
for life that is natural immunity when the vaccines were introduced we were promised
that it would be the same it would be the same as natural immunity but it wasn't of
course why well not least of which is because these are these are respiratory viruses measles
is a respiratory virus suddenly we're changing the whole course of nature and man's interaction
with this virus by injecting it into the skin bypassing an immune system in the lungs that's
been set up specifically to protect us against this virus so why are we surprised that it
doesn't give the same kind of immunity why are we surprised and then we're giving not
one virus but three viruses at the same time in a way that the immune system has never
seen it's never seen measles mumps and rubella immediately at the same time and it's not
going to respond in the same way but these there have been so many assumptions by the
authorities about these live viral agents which are exquisitely adapted to survive
and you know mutate and change and come back in some other form and one thing that this
will teach us is that nature is all powerful and if we think we can get the upper hand
and exploit these viruses then we have we have a real lesson to learn and if we didn't
learn it with covid then we're in big trouble well and specifically you know i can think
of how my mom would tell me that she would when i was two she made me go to a pox party
is what they would call them and and i know that's not necessarily the mmr but we're talking
about chicken pox specifically but the idea was that that exposure at a young age was
less severe and i would have lifetime immunity and so they were she was like purposely getting
me sick just and of course i don't remember at two years old i have no idea you know
i just have to trust that my mother was telling me the truth but i'm sure you know of course
she would she wouldn't just make up a story like that but of course there was an idea
especially back then that you know you go ahead and if anybody has a chicken pox get
all the toddlers and make them play with them and so they'll contract this disease and i
think that kind of is a similar belief or kind of what you're describing here that perhaps
contracting some of these diseases or issues as a baby may actually be better in the long
term of a particular individual is that am i kind of describing that accurately very
much and i remember chicken pox measles parties yeah can we go back you showed a graph in
the paper that you'd written there was a graph of declining mortality in the united states
well i want to show the show the vaccine one first because because i think this is an important
point and what's interesting to me is whenever i looked up research that's like the pro vaccine
their their articles this is typically what they would show and they would show something
like see here's vaccination has helped reduce global cases of mumps measles and rubella
and there's a lot of different articles like this in fact if you go there was another
one i had that was like the immunize.org i believe they have a chart and it shows how
after vaccination everything's reduced 99 percentile i think it's the first link in
that article that i had written in the back if you can go to it but you'll see a conglomerate
of posters like this yeah go all the way to the top and then click on that this one this
one that's the one i want to because this is such an important so they show 99 reduction
in all of these specific diseases and they talk about how from 1960 to now if we focus
and highlight just one specific situation which is talking about measles or something
like that they would say measles you know is 1963 the the vaccine was introduced and
they'll say oh we've got a 99 reduction now go to that chart that dr wakefield was was
mentioning because i think this is an important point you know if you look at this chart if
you look at this information it sounds good right like hey there's been a 99 reduction
but then if you roll back the clock and you look this is from the 1900 all the way to
1984 and they show the measles vaccine introduced well the mortality rate specifically doesn't
seem affected by the vaccine directly it seems like it's arbitrary like an arbitrary line
we could just say woodstock happened in 1963 and it just seems as related but i i do want
to get your opinion like on a chart like this you know you're a side you're you're a medical
doctor you're someone that studied this stuff what is this you know what are the conclusions
you draw from this this is a fascinating graph okay but this is the kind of data
when measles was widely recognized for what it was in other words doctors were able to diagnose it
and so we can trust the credibility of this this data as being unbiased now you would see the same
trend in any developed western country the same graph pertains to the united kingdom now
what this shows is mortality from measles over time before the vaccine ever came in you can see
the effect of the vaccine when it did come in this is absolutely fascinating because what this shows
is that over time naturally measles was killing fewer and fewer and fewer children it was becoming
a milder and milder and milder disease now what would have happened here's the first question a
scientist would ask is what would have happened if we'd never introduced the vaccine would this
trend of simply decayed to zero would measles become so mild as it was doing that we wouldn't
see any mortality from measles so forget number of measles cases measles still occurred but it was
no more than a cold no more than a cold in children that's what was happening here that's
what this graph is telling but we had to interfere we had to intervene we've got the technology we
can make money out of there whatever the motive and so they interfere with the vaccine and then
they show you a graph of measles cases what this shows is the effect of natural herd immunity
this decay in mortality measles becoming less and less severe a milder milder disease is
natural immunity and that was the kind of thing that was perpetuated by the reasons for this are
detailed they are in part because of a general improvement in immunity due to sanitation and
fresh water and in part due to the pattern of exposure to the virus this is because more and
more children were being exposed to the virus when for example they went to school when they
were young when they were able to deal with the virus in a particular way and this has now changed
and it's changed because we've shifted the age of measles so when measles does come back now
it affects older people whose immunity has waned because the vaccine wore off and babies who
historically under the age of one were protected by maternal immunity their mothers who had had
natural measles gave them very good immunity mothers who have been vaccinated against measles
do not give their babies good immunity so under the age of one babies born now are not protected
against measles and that is a very precarious situation because that's where mortality is
greatest so vaccination has destroyed natural herd immunity and here is the effect of natural
herd immunity in that graph that is an extraordinary powerful powerful effect of nature
and because we thought we should interfere and did we've messed that whole thing up and that
so people really need to understand the history of measles as you point out to really gauge what
has gone on here well and of course you know you bring up the idea that sanitation improved
overall cleanliness hospital standards just the habits of people have changed over time
and and i know that none of those are the reason why measles dropped because you can't make money
on any of those ideas and so it definitely had to be the vaccine because that's the only way
you can make money um but you know when it comes to these this this information it's not shareable
i mean i preached a sermon on this in 2018 called vaccination snake oil and i you know i kind of
brought up things like this this point and um that that chart and that graph and it was censored
and you know it it was one of the first things that was kind of censored on youtube uh censorship
really hadn't taken off and at that time and it's interesting to me because you know predating that
is what you mentioned how robert nero had a hand in kind of getting your film removed from a
particular film festival talking about this issue and it does seem like the censorship works because
i know family members friends you know whenever i said you know i'm kind of skeptical of some of
these things i don't know that i want my children to be vaccinated necessarily and i was looked at
as being you know a crazy person um very ill-informed anti-science anti-history
and i'm i'm trying to talk to these people i'm saying i feel like i was using science and history
to come to the conclusion i did i wasn't i wasn't rejecting science and history i was rather trying
to use those to combat that theory because in my mind if someone knocked on my door and said i have
this magic potion that's going to protect your children can we inject it into them you know you
would have to really have a lot of evidence on your side to try and convince me that that was
necessary and especially considering from a historical perspective you know it's not like
vaccination has been from the last thousand years this is a more relatively new phenomenon in in
health and so it's not natural it's not something that everybody just does naturally it's something
that is done through the medium of pediatricians and these other institutions and you know what's
interesting to me is when i talked to my pediatrician about this they said we're
going to drop you as a client i said if you don't if you don't do the vaccination schedule as
dictated we will drop you as a client and so they literally dropped us and i found out that anywhere
from 40 to 60 percent of income of pediatricians is attributed directly to vaccination and so you
know it definitely um it definitely there's a lot of uh resistance to questioning these things
just just wanting to know what's going on and not wanting to just fall you know in their footsteps
and i know there's a lot of fear um my wife especially there was a lot of fear put on her
like your children's going to die your child's going to die immediately if you don't get these
vaccinations or you're not going to be able to participate in normal life and go to public
school and be a part of government programs and people are going to think you're weird and
you know a lot of that didn't necessarily affect me but it affected my wife and I think it affects
a lot of people when we talk about the social stigma and for you specifically it seems like
when you were put the pressure was put on you you kind of said well I'm going to research this even
harder can you kind of talk to the social stigma here and and maybe like the feeling that mothers
have when it comes to these issues I can and I'm so grateful that you brought it up because the
other part of this film is the arc of the story of the heroine a mother who cannot have children
for one reason or another and adopts a child who is then subsequently vaccine injured and she is
this mother is the amalgam if you like the agglomeration of all of the mothers I've spoken to
the thousands of mothers I've spoken to over the last 30 years and so many of them have said
I just knew when I went in and I did this and the doctor took them away or the nurse took them away
I knew in my gut that this was wrong and that power of that maternal intuition is extraordinary
and it's been a guiding light in my in my medical practice to listen to mothers because mothers know
their children unlike anyone else and the pediatricians have tried to usurp this more so
I think in America than the UK but most certainly tried to usurp that power and say no no no you
don't understand your child as well as I do even though I've never met them before or met them once
it's absolute nonsense the the hubris the arrogance of that is extraordinary and so here we have this
relationship which has been forged over millions of years of the evolution of these this mother
maternal child bond mothers know their children and so when they say I took my child to be
vaccinated I just felt at the time this was wrong and this has happened as a consequence of that
I believe they're related then I take that extremely seriously and the part played by
the mother in this film really exemplifies that she faces conflict for every single thing she does
by the kind of pushback that you've had push back from the doctor push back from the pediatrician
push back from the psychologist or psychiatrist push back from her own mother push back from her
husband in particular who dismisses as often is the case in real life the mother's instinct
does not appreciate the power of that instinct so one of the key messages of this film is for
mothers to seize that power back really to trust in it to trust in that small voice that is saying
to you do this or don't do this because you know best now why why is this and you can invoke
god you can invoke this extraordinary bond that they have because they were once one they were
once one body and they will be inseparable forever but it is nonetheless as real as i am talking to
you and it's been such a powerful influence on my medical practice and i tried to do credit to that
to honor that in this film and so that's my message to to mothers out there you regain that
power you seize that power back you keep it because it's yours and it does not belong to doctors
and uh it is up to doctors to be sufficiently humbled to to listen to that and to take note of
it and to act according to according me well i agree wholeheartedly that mothers you know have
a a special intuition about their children and i think a lot of it comes from love and i think
that if we can get if we can have mothers just love their children enough they can face all kinds
of foes like you mentioned i think that's a powerful part of this film the idea that a mother
is kind of seeing many people come against her whether that be internally externally because
sometimes especially on a journey like this in our current culture there's a lot of resistance i know
with covid there was a lot of internal conflict between families on you know vaccination or not
or how to treat that particular illness and to me timing sometimes is everything and especially
with a film and i i think that it seems like with covid specifically a lot of people have kind of
awoken to the idea that maybe anti-vaxxers aren't as weird and horrible as wikipedia makes them out
to be and that uh maybe there is something to this and and so i i find that the timing of this
film seems like a great opportunity to come on the heels of a lot of skepticism to come alongside
with a reasoned approach and say yeah there is something to you know these internal instincts
you know i for me probably the most influential thing for me when it came to making the decision
is in the bible jesus said they that be whole need not a physician and i really took those words to
heart and i thought you know if my baby's whole it just doesn't feel right to just purposely give
them several different diseases um you know if they come into him in contact naturally then so
be it you know i can't i'm not going to put my kid in a plastic suit bubble and hide them from
the world but at the same time i don't know that i have to purposefully give them any kind of disease
or illness and and just hope for the best and so you know to me that verse was a guiding light
and you know i i really think that there's a lot of people kind of waking up to some of the issues
here do you feel like the timing of this film may have been purposeful or is it just kind of it just
works for you guys or you know can you speak to the timing of this film and and just kind of what's
going on in the culture right now i think so many things have happened in my life that that have
been taking me in this direction it would be naive and premature to assume that they were not some
not purposeful in some way um i yes i think that um the timing is is extraordinary particularly
coming on the back of covid and the i think covid would turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes
they ever made in terms of the lies the distortion and the consequences that an extraordinary number
of deaths that came about because they denied people safe and effective treatments because
they wanted a vaccine and vaccine only agenda it had to succeed and therefore they were prepared to
lose a lot of people along the way in order to you know essentially profit and that's tragic
and also the what they said about the vaccine it continues to unravel none of the promises that
were made have been kept they were naive to have ever made them because they had no understanding
really of what they were doing so people are ready for this kind of film it's not just i know peter
mccullough who is one of the great stores very brave brave physician over 700 publications as
a cardiologist and who has come to the understanding through science that vaccines are not safe
firstly he thought it was the covid shot now he knows it goes beyond that that listening to
someone like peter mccullough who the system has systematically tried to destroy is a consequence
of the position he's taken because it's so powerful because it represents science because
that's undeniable he's published far more than all his critics when that happens then the world
comes to a point where it says okay you know i know peter mccullough i've read his papers
if he says this is the case then i'm there's a there's a case to be answered here and i think that um
that is happening and it is reinforced by this kind of film i think timing is extraordinary for
this it is uh very fortuitous but it we need to capitalize on it we need to right what i mean by
that is we need to take seize this opportunity to get people to watch the film don't stand by and
just passively say oh if it comes to a theater near me then maybe i'll go and watch it or i'll
wait till it streams on television no get to the movie theater hire the movie theater through
gather through the website go to protocol seven number seven dot movie and please please please
make sure that every town in america screens this movie and gives people the opportunity to see it
and make up their own minds yeah and we want to share the information even beyond the film
and you know continue to get it out there i know i saw a film called died suddenly that also talked
about some of the issues with uh specifically the covid shots and i think that the covid shots are
kind of unique in the sense that they um have a little bit different methodology as far as how
they're structured because i believe the mmr is giving a a form of the virus as it were yeah it's
a live virus yeah whereas the covid vaccines were even more unique um in their methodology
can you speak to kind of what's going on with the covid vaccination and maybe it's new methodology
as far as trying to create spike proteins artificially yes it's not a vaccine at all
by but into our understanding of what a vaccine is it's a way it's a gene therapy so it's injecting
the the rna that encodes for a protein the spike protein into our own cells such that our own cells
become a factory for the manufacturer of this spike protein which is in itself highly highly
dangerous protein highly reactogenic protein and so we now make an immune response against our own
cells well that is called an autoimmune disease isn't it extraordinary that we are actually
forcibly encouraging our own bodies to turn against themselves and create this autoimmune
disease situation that is what it is there's as simple as that although it's far more complicated
but it's far more dangerous than that but that in essence is what we're talking about here we're
turning our own cells into factories for viral proteins which are highly toxic such that we now
attack our own cells and that's never been done before in the form of a vaccine it may be because
the live viral vaccines are failing that we're going to see suddenly mRNA based shots being put
on the market for measles mumps and rubella and literally we that would be i was going to say
something quite strong then but i that would be catastrophic that would be disastrous it's already
been proven to be disastrous for many people in the context of covid and yet they still they still
the advocates still maintain that oh it's been the rollout has been such a terrible a tremendous
success no it hasn't so um yeah it that's really what the difference between the live viral vaccine
which is giving a an attenuated or modified a weakened so-called weakened i don't believe it's
weakened it's just changed strain of a naturally occurring virus to individuals as opposed to
giving this new covid shot well and you kind of have to wonder when it comes to mrna technology
specifically you know how do they get that that balance perfect to where it's not either creating
too many spike proteins or the immune system isn't attacking it too much like how do you get at that
perfect balance and you know i and in theory some of these things sound okay right obviously if
someone could get injected with something that's going to mimic a virus and then you create your
the immune response and that causes you to never catch the disease it sounds great i just think
that the problem is does that really happen and what are the side effects and um when it comes to
you know some of these other vaccination processes the mmr they were kind of maybe more of a lifetime
some of them have a booster but they're mostly just kind of a lifetime whereas it seems like
with these covid vaccinations there you have to get a booster every six months well that that seems
perfect if you need to sell them it's not necessarily the best when it comes to the
general populace but in a strategy to make money uh again which you know the bible does say the
love of money is the root of all evil you kind of have to ask this question how safe are these
things and i think this is a such an important film protocol seven to talk about you know a
de demonstrated case still obviously an ongoing legal battle but a demonstrated case where it
it appears and there's a lot of evidence to suggest these pharmaceutical companies are
willing to lie they're willing to um potentially change data to do all kinds of different actions
to cover up their intentions the efficacy the safety of their products and you know i think
it's even documented that some of these companies are the most um they've had to pay the most
money in lawsuits and and doing things inappropriately uh so you know they don't necessarily have a good
reputation they have no motivation for safety or efficacy they have legal protections against
certain lawsuits towards them and you know these individuals i don't even think they've taken the
Hippocratic Oath they're not doctors that are trying to necessarily uh try to get people better
or healthy they're ceos they're they're business owners they're about making profit they're about
making money and you know when you have actual doctors coming out against like Peter McCollough
like you like others i know mercola had at one time been a pretty big advocate in this particular
space there's probably several others but you know it it's just definitely frustrating to see that
so many people are unwilling to even talk about this issue and so you know take your family
members take your friends say hey there's a cool movie that's coming out protocol seven you got to
check it out even if even if they're if they don't like this topic just don't tell them just say hey
come to the movie we're gonna watch an interesting movie and just let them see for themselves what's
going on and even someone that's not necessarily interested in this topic it seems like the film
is still pretty interesting and engaging anyways right yeah if you enjoyed erin brokovich if you
enjoyed silent spring or spotlight it's this is a movie for you people love whistleblower movies so
irrespective of you know the the message that underlies it it's a great movie so please well
i really appreciate your time i don't want to you're really gracious to give us over an hour of your
time and um i did want to give you one last chance here if there's anything else that you wanted to
bring up or anything else you wanted to plug for our audience but i'm really excited about the
project thank you so much for giving us opportunity to showcase it um is there anything else that you'd
like to to bring up before we kind of let you go oh this movie was made for you it was made um it
doesn't beat you over the head it is made to entertain and inform and allow you to make
choices and decisions accordingly but um it is based upon fact it is based upon the actual
documents that were part of what happened at Merck and um we are very confident that it will
do very well whether it does well or not in large part comes down to you
and spreading the word uh spreading the word and getting people to come and see the movie so please
help us with that and that will enable us to make the next story. Someone wanted me to ask
this question real quick for further study or if they're just interested in this topic is there
any resources may there be books or websites that people could find more information about this topic?
There is an abundance and if you enjoy film then please go and see Vaxxed because it's it's very
informative and go and see 1986 the act or download that online and that will be available
on our website as well so we're just preparing that at the moment but 1986 gives you the act
gives you the sort of definitive history of how they how the drug companies the vaccine manufacturers
came to be exempt from liability for death and injury such that they had a mandatory market
children had to get their vaccines no liability all they could do was make a massive profit
and that's what they did and that's when they expanded the vaccine program because they knew
they could sell sell sell without any liability so watch those two and those will direct you to
further resources that allow you to go further into this. Well thank you again so much for your
time you can check out the movie protocol seven you can check it out in fact the the trailers on
youtube it's on imdb you can go to their website and you can check out the film i'm excited to see
the film i think i get to see it june 7th is there's a screening in texas that i'm going to
go see and so i'm excited for that and i really appreciate you you know indulging me to talk about
this subject because so few people in my life are willing to even have a conversation on this topic
and so you inspire me you also you know make a difference in people's lives no matter how
popular the film is you know we're still here to reach the individual and i know there's a lot of
individuals who have been positively affected by your stand and others who are willing to
you know lose their medical license lose their career and become a filmmaker and so we really
appreciate you and uh that's going to pretty much do it for us on the show uh this is a special
episode of the baptist bias but make sure to check us out tuesdays at 8 p.m when we have our normal
show this week we're going to have a special debate you don't want to miss it but i want you
to make sure you check out this film protocol 7 and everyone's got a perspective out there folks
but you need to get the baptist bias