WEBVTT 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.550 I'm joined here with Brother Ben in the studio. 00:04:20.550 --> 00:04:21.650 How's it going, Ben? 00:04:21.650 --> 00:04:22.470 - I'm pretty good. 00:04:22.470 --> 00:04:27.130 Glad to be here for this special presentation, 00:04:27.130 --> 00:04:29.600 you could say, the recap show. 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:30.620 - Now, most of the show, 00:04:30.620 --> 00:04:32.080 we're just gonna be kind of having a conversation, 00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:35.490 so you can just bring us both up on the screen. 00:04:35.490 --> 00:04:36.840 And really, you know, 00:04:36.840 --> 00:04:38.530 what I kind of wanted to start the show with 00:04:38.530 --> 00:04:43.860 was to discuss how much I just absolutely hate YouTube. 00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:45.500 What is your feelings? 00:04:45.500 --> 00:04:47.290 - I share that emotion. 00:04:47.290 --> 00:04:48.700 I definitely agree with you. 00:04:48.700 --> 00:04:50.990 I could see why you hate YouTube so much. 00:04:50.990 --> 00:04:53.140 I hate YouTube as well. 00:04:53.140 --> 00:04:54.850 They just nuked our channel. 00:04:54.850 --> 00:04:56.160 We put a lot of work into it. 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:57.230 We had a following. 00:04:57.230 --> 00:05:00.610 We had, what, just over 3,000 subscribers, I believe. 00:05:00.610 --> 00:05:03.360 And now it's gone because we exist, 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.300 because we breathe air 00:05:05.300 --> 00:05:09.650 and we don't espouse the establishment narrative. 00:05:09.650 --> 00:05:11.910 - Well, in all fairness, I have to be honest. 00:05:11.910 --> 00:05:14.520 I definitely knew that this day would come. 00:05:14.520 --> 00:05:16.480 So, you know, we can't get big. 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:17.470 If we get big at all, 00:05:17.470 --> 00:05:19.580 if we have a lot of views on a particular video 00:05:19.580 --> 00:05:21.120 or we get enough subscribers, 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.540 I knew that we were going to disappear. 00:05:24.540 --> 00:05:28.440 And so, of course, our days were limited. 00:05:28.440 --> 00:05:29.980 But I wanted to be on YouTube 00:05:29.980 --> 00:05:35.020 just so we could at least reach some new people. 00:05:35.020 --> 00:05:35.890 And I think that we did that. 00:05:35.890 --> 00:05:37.000 I think we definitely reached some new people. 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.680 I mean, our most recent episode was climbing fast. 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.780 I think it was already our top episode 00:05:42.780 --> 00:05:44.720 just after a couple of days. 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:45.810 And I really enjoyed it. 00:05:45.810 --> 00:05:46.610 What did you think? 00:05:46.610 --> 00:05:48.490 - Yeah, I loved the show. 00:05:48.490 --> 00:05:51.930 I liked the opportunity to just kind of listen 00:05:51.930 --> 00:05:56.430 to two people talk about creation from different angles. 00:05:56.430 --> 00:06:00.250 And I think that the reason why it garnered 00:06:00.250 --> 00:06:02.930 a larger audience than usual, like you mentioned, 00:06:02.930 --> 00:06:08.010 I mean, 24 hours in, we were at like 5,000, 6,000 views, 00:06:08.010 --> 00:06:08.820 something like that. 00:06:08.820 --> 00:06:11.330 I think it topped out at 7,000 or 8,000 views 00:06:11.330 --> 00:06:14.030 before YouTube nuked us. 00:06:14.030 --> 00:06:18.120 So no, it was a, obviously, highly entertaining, 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.650 some would say controversial edition 00:06:20.650 --> 00:06:21.630 of the Baptist Bias. 00:06:21.630 --> 00:06:24.150 - What was controversial about it, Ben? 00:06:24.150 --> 00:06:27.410 - You tell me, I'm gonna plead the fifth on that one. 00:06:27.410 --> 00:06:30.120 - Okay, well, of course, I do wanna talk about the show 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:31.900 and talk about why we did it. 00:06:31.900 --> 00:06:38.460 And the reality is, I just, the goal of the show, 00:06:38.460 --> 00:06:41.060 the goal of the Baptist Bias, for me, 00:06:41.060 --> 00:06:43.700 is simply just to reach new people 00:06:43.700 --> 00:06:46.070 and to talk about new topics 00:06:46.070 --> 00:06:47.730 that haven't been discussed before. 00:06:47.730 --> 00:06:50.070 So it's not really to preach necessarily another sermon, 00:06:50.070 --> 00:06:52.610 it's not necessarily to cater to our niche 00:06:52.610 --> 00:06:54.430 or anything like that. 00:06:54.430 --> 00:06:56.200 But at the same time, I'd like to cover topics 00:06:56.200 --> 00:06:57.240 that I am interested in. 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.030 I'm super interested in creation. 00:06:59.030 --> 00:07:01.770 I listened to Dr. Hoeven for a long time, 00:07:01.770 --> 00:07:06.310 back in 2013, 2014, 2015. 00:07:06.310 --> 00:07:07.740 I pretty much watched, I think, 00:07:07.740 --> 00:07:09.570 every single one of his debates. 00:07:09.570 --> 00:07:12.490 And I really liked a lot of the information 00:07:12.490 --> 00:07:15.740 that he presented whenever he would debate 00:07:15.740 --> 00:07:18.850 various college professors, he traveled the country, 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:23.080 he spoke to a lot of different people 00:07:23.080 --> 00:07:25.650 and was really pretty popular. 00:07:25.650 --> 00:07:28.980 Then by the time I kind of figured out like where he was, 00:07:28.980 --> 00:07:31.350 I ended up realizing he was in jail, which was unfortunate. 00:07:31.350 --> 00:07:34.320 I was really sad about that just because I really liked him 00:07:34.320 --> 00:07:39.830 and I wanted to go and find, you know, his material. 00:07:39.830 --> 00:07:42.750 But later on, you know, I ended up obviously going 00:07:42.750 --> 00:07:44.050 to Faithful Baptist Church 00:07:44.050 --> 00:07:47.610 and grew a lot more spiritually since then. 00:07:47.610 --> 00:07:50.580 However, at the same time, you know, Ken Hoeven, 00:07:50.580 --> 00:07:52.250 you know, whatever you think about him, 00:07:52.250 --> 00:07:55.130 he definitely dominates the sphere of young earth 00:07:55.130 --> 00:07:56.510 creationalism. 00:07:56.510 --> 00:07:57.370 Wouldn't you agree with that? 00:07:57.370 --> 00:08:00.160 Like as far as just material online, 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.780 he's a pretty dominant voice out there. 00:08:01.780 --> 00:08:03.200 What would you think? 00:08:03.200 --> 00:08:05.900 - Yeah, I would say he definitely has notoriety 00:08:05.900 --> 00:08:07.700 in that area. 00:08:07.700 --> 00:08:09.580 I think he has a name. 00:08:09.580 --> 00:08:13.220 He, you know, he draws attention 00:08:13.220 --> 00:08:16.450 and a lot of people have seen his content for sure. 00:08:16.450 --> 00:08:17.750 I mean, I've met a lot of people 00:08:17.750 --> 00:08:21.890 who have come to the new IFB actually through him, 00:08:21.890 --> 00:08:24.580 like they started watching his content first 00:08:24.580 --> 00:08:27.580 and it led them to check out Pastor Anderson 00:08:27.580 --> 00:08:30.070 or Pastor Jimenez and some other people like that. 00:08:30.070 --> 00:08:34.240 So some people have found him through even the documentaries 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:36.630 after the tribulation he was in that one. 00:08:36.630 --> 00:08:40.330 But yeah, I would say for sure that he's a well-known 00:08:40.330 --> 00:08:42.530 in the realm of creation science. 00:08:42.530 --> 00:08:44.230 There's no question about that. 00:08:44.230 --> 00:08:49.630 - Well, again, there's other big names out there. 00:08:49.630 --> 00:08:53.160 There's Answers in Genesis is a big name. 00:08:53.160 --> 00:08:55.740 There's other Young Earth creationists out there. 00:08:55.740 --> 00:08:58.200 So it's not like he's the only one. 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.860 But in my mind, he's a pretty big voice. 00:09:00.860 --> 00:09:02.800 Anybody that's King James only especially 00:09:02.800 --> 00:09:05.240 is probably gonna gravitate towards his material. 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.220 I think a lot of people have seen his debates 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:09.310 and everything like that. 00:09:09.310 --> 00:09:12.300 So from my perspective, 00:09:12.300 --> 00:09:15.330 I wanted to have guests on my show 00:09:15.330 --> 00:09:19.040 that have a big breach and are big names. 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:21.250 Regardless, if I agree with them, 00:09:21.250 --> 00:09:25.240 think they're saved or any of the other categories. 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:26.940 And I know there's a lot of people 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:29.920 maybe that are a part of one of our churches 00:09:29.920 --> 00:09:31.280 or one of our friends' churches 00:09:31.280 --> 00:09:36.560 that would nitpick over some very specific doctrines 00:09:36.560 --> 00:09:40.090 on Dr. Hoeven and have even some legitimate questions 00:09:40.090 --> 00:09:41.960 about some of the things that he said or done. 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.760 But the reason why I wanted to bring him on the show 00:09:44.760 --> 00:09:46.830 had nothing to do with any of those things. 00:09:46.830 --> 00:09:50.100 It was simply, here's a guy who's got a big voice 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:51.560 in the creation sphere. 00:09:51.560 --> 00:09:54.490 I have a lot of knowledge as far as what he teaches 00:09:54.490 --> 00:09:57.380 just because I've seen so many of his videos. 00:09:57.380 --> 00:09:59.760 And I've heard Pastor Anderson 00:09:59.760 --> 00:10:03.240 expose a slightly different viewpoint 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.160 when it comes to how to present the earth 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:07.810 being 6,300 years old. 00:10:07.810 --> 00:10:10.320 And because I've listened to both of them so much, 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:12.780 I thought, you know, there's a lot of difference here. 00:10:12.780 --> 00:10:16.690 I think it'd be interesting to get them both in the room 00:10:16.690 --> 00:10:21.440 and have them kind of discuss these particular issues. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.300 And one of the ideas, you know, this idea for the show 00:10:24.300 --> 00:10:28.430 kind of came from you because you had mentioned to me 00:10:28.430 --> 00:10:31.820 having a discussion, like a follow-up discussion 00:10:31.820 --> 00:10:34.630 between Pastor Anderson and Matt Powell, is that right? 00:10:34.630 --> 00:10:37.780 - Yeah, so in 2020, Pastor Anderson and Matt Powell 00:10:37.780 --> 00:10:40.920 did a live stream together as part of Framing the World. 00:10:40.920 --> 00:10:43.780 And Paul Wittenberger put that on. 00:10:43.780 --> 00:10:45.660 Pastor Anderson's son was also part of that. 00:10:45.660 --> 00:10:48.550 And they talked about this doctrine of apparent age 00:10:48.550 --> 00:10:52.300 and Pastor Anderson in that live stream with Matt Powell 00:10:52.300 --> 00:10:56.200 talked about how he applies the apparent age doctrine 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:57.710 to everything in the universe. 00:10:57.710 --> 00:11:00.500 And I felt like that was a really intriguing position 00:11:00.500 --> 00:11:01.180 that he took. 00:11:01.180 --> 00:11:04.080 And in the years following, I really thought about it 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.860 and studied it and gravitated toward that view. 00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:09.370 So I thought it would be really interesting to get him on 00:11:09.370 --> 00:11:13.950 and to revisit that subject, because I 00:11:13.950 --> 00:11:19.500 feel like it's underrepresented in the overall discourse 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:22.130 on creation and creation science, 00:11:22.130 --> 00:11:22.850 specifically. 00:11:22.850 --> 00:11:26.140 Not a lot of people, I think, really cover this. 00:11:26.140 --> 00:11:28.680 And so I saw it as underrepresented topic. 00:11:28.680 --> 00:11:31.780 And I just really wanted an opportunity 00:11:31.780 --> 00:11:34.110 to hear him flesh it out a little bit more 00:11:34.110 --> 00:11:37.440 and talk about it a little bit more, offer some more detail. 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.800 Yeah, and I think whenever Pastor Anderson had 00:11:39.800 --> 00:11:42.520 a conversation with Matt Powell specifically, 00:11:42.520 --> 00:11:46.360 Matt Powell maybe hadn't really heard some of the things 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.360 that Pastor Anderson was going to say before. 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.410 And so it was kind of difficult for them to carry a discussion. 00:11:51.410 --> 00:11:54.590 However, I thought, you know, if we're going to have this show, 00:11:54.590 --> 00:11:57.260 why not bring someone on that's really well-versed 00:11:57.260 --> 00:12:01.030 in what I believe is kind of a differing opinion, 00:12:01.030 --> 00:12:04.380 Dr. Hoeven, let's just bring him on and we could have an epic show, 00:12:04.380 --> 00:12:06.410 which of course we did. 00:12:06.410 --> 00:12:08.520 I didn't know that we were going to get nuked necessarily. 00:12:08.520 --> 00:12:12.310 But I mean, I'm just trying to come up with ideas 00:12:12.310 --> 00:12:14.630 and ways to have a great show. 00:12:14.630 --> 00:12:18.410 And from my perspective, you know, it didn't really matter what I believe. 00:12:18.410 --> 00:12:21.530 I just was trying to, you know, generate a lot of attention 00:12:21.530 --> 00:12:25.110 and get a lot of people excited about creation and the Bible 00:12:25.110 --> 00:12:26.120 and get people talking. 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:27.800 And I think I did that. 00:12:27.800 --> 00:12:28.840 What do you think, Ben? 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.670 Well, for me personally, it worked because I've been studying this subject 00:12:32.670 --> 00:12:37.140 a heck of a lot more than I ever have in the last couple of weeks, 00:12:37.140 --> 00:12:39.450 and especially now, even after the podcast, 00:12:39.450 --> 00:12:42.160 I've been talking about it with more people than I ever have. 00:12:42.160 --> 00:12:44.720 I'm more interested in it than I've ever been. 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.030 So it worked for me personally, and I feel like if it worked for me, 00:12:47.030 --> 00:12:50.460 it probably worked for other people who listen to the show as well. 00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:52.780 Everybody has an opinion, I feel like, on the podcast, 00:12:52.780 --> 00:12:56.210 whether they agree with applying a parent age 00:12:56.210 --> 00:12:59.480 the way that Pastor Anderson does or disagree with it. 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:03.550 They all have an opinion, and they're all talking about the doctrine of creation. 00:13:03.550 --> 00:13:08.770 And like you said, there's a difference between these two individuals. 00:13:08.770 --> 00:13:12.940 And so I really liked the fact that we were able to get 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:16.260 this subject on the podcast as the main topic, 00:13:16.260 --> 00:13:20.400 and not only that though, that we were able to give people two different angles 00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:24.540 on creation. Well, of course, you know, getting these guests wasn't even 00:13:24.540 --> 00:13:30.800 necessarily an easy task because we didn't really have much contact 00:13:30.800 --> 00:13:34.570 with Dr. Hoeven. I think I had asked you to just reach out to him, 00:13:34.570 --> 00:13:37.820 and we presented the idea, which he's very accommodating. He's willing to come 00:13:37.820 --> 00:13:40.280 on a lot of different shows and talk about creation. 00:13:40.280 --> 00:13:43.990 And we told him that we were going to have some different guests, 00:13:43.990 --> 00:13:47.700 eventually evolved into us telling him, "Hey, we're going to get Pastor 00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:49.850 Anderson on," and we kind of presented that 00:13:49.850 --> 00:13:53.180 information him. Once we had kind of secured Dr. Hovind, 00:13:53.180 --> 00:13:58.980 he was willing to do the show, then we ended up reaching out to 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:03.100 Pastor Anderson. And I specifically had to talk to him on the phone for a long 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:05.870 time to get him to want to do the show, just 00:14:05.870 --> 00:14:11.240 because he personally is not interested in having a debate 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.260 really usually in any situation. He's kind of 00:14:14.260 --> 00:14:17.590 reluctant to do something like that. And I tried to tell him like, you know, the 00:14:17.590 --> 00:14:21.970 goal is to try and have a discussion. And I tried to explain to him how I 00:14:21.970 --> 00:14:25.410 thought it would be good for differing views to come out there and 00:14:25.410 --> 00:14:27.760 for people to kind of have this chance. Plus, 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:31.510 he doesn't really like Ken Hoeven, so you know that he's kind of changed a 00:14:31.510 --> 00:14:36.010 little bit on that. And so it was kind of difficult for me 00:14:36.010 --> 00:14:40.330 to get him to want to do the show. After kind of talking him into it, he 00:14:40.330 --> 00:14:44.340 ended up realizing that he was kind of excited about it. He 00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:47.740 started listening to Dr. Hoeven and was excited to kind of challenge 00:14:47.740 --> 00:14:52.530 some of his viewpoints. Now in all fairness, he did tell me that 00:14:52.530 --> 00:14:56.160 he wasn't going to necessarily be nice if 00:14:56.160 --> 00:15:00.570 something came up that he was really strongly against or 00:15:00.570 --> 00:15:04.480 had strong feelings towards. And that really came across. 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.170 I didn't really know exactly what that was going to look like. I didn't know 00:15:08.170 --> 00:15:11.430 how Dr. Hoeven and him would interact. I didn't know how 00:15:11.430 --> 00:15:15.150 um Dr. Hoeven's viewpoints. I didn't know what he's going to bring up. I didn't 00:15:15.150 --> 00:15:19.490 know how much age of the year uh age of appearance Dr. Hoeven would give 00:15:19.490 --> 00:15:23.690 credence to or not give credence to. And you know we we flushed out the 00:15:23.690 --> 00:15:25.840 questions that we were going to have on the show 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:30.190 and we sent it to both parties. Both parties were in my mind about as 00:15:30.190 --> 00:15:32.810 prepared as you could possibly be for the show. 00:15:32.810 --> 00:15:36.470 We stuck pretty much to the narrative apart from questions from 00:15:36.470 --> 00:15:40.600 callers or or some of the chat questions because we had no idea what people would 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:46.240 ask but they both were very aware of what we were going to have on 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.660 the show. I mean how many times did you reach out to 00:15:48.660 --> 00:15:53.680 Dr. Hoeven? Well we talked a few times at least with whoever runs his email 00:15:53.680 --> 00:15:57.020 and I did give him the full list of topics we would be discussing just 00:15:57.020 --> 00:16:02.340 because I wanted him to be prepared for what we would cover on the broadcast and 00:16:02.340 --> 00:16:04.410 you did the same thing with Pastor Anderson, 00:16:04.410 --> 00:16:07.660 correct? Yeah. And so yeah they were prepared and 00:16:07.660 --> 00:16:11.480 and I think that we we just wanted to stick to the age of the earth and of 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.950 course we wanted to talk about the area in which we anticipated disagreement 00:16:15.950 --> 00:16:21.850 which is how to apply this teaching of the apparent age of the universe and 00:16:21.850 --> 00:16:24.960 the earth. A lot of mainstream creation scientists 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:29.980 will give credence to that doctrine sometimes but not all the time 00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:33.650 and Pastor Anderson had a different view so I thought 00:16:33.650 --> 00:16:38.100 hey let's do this right let's let's just dive right into this and figure out 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:43.670 what is the best way to articulate the what the Bible teaches on creation. 00:16:43.670 --> 00:16:48.380 Yeah and I mean we even have uh I want to read for you kind of what we sent we 00:16:48.380 --> 00:16:51.750 sent this to Dr Hoeven and Pastor Anderson as well but we said we 00:16:51.750 --> 00:16:54.970 were going to talk about the age of the earth proof for a 00:16:54.970 --> 00:16:59.020 younger from a scientific perspective are there components of the planet and or 00:16:59.020 --> 00:17:03.830 universe that look older than 6300 years quote a parent age 00:17:03.830 --> 00:17:05.950 doctrine we said that we're going to talk about 00:17:05.950 --> 00:17:10.610 craters on the moon best explanation from a creationist perspective 00:17:10.610 --> 00:17:13.550 how christians should respond to public schools teaching science from a secular 00:17:13.550 --> 00:17:17.270 evolutionary worldview and then the geologic column whether 00:17:17.270 --> 00:17:19.730 it's best explained by a parent age or the flood 00:17:19.730 --> 00:17:24.010 and that was that was pretty much what we covered i mean what what did we cover 00:17:24.010 --> 00:17:27.760 on the show that's not articulated in that i mean 00:17:27.760 --> 00:17:31.000 there were some audience questions we had questions from the chat room we had 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.850 people call in but in general we stuck to that there 00:17:33.850 --> 00:17:38.690 were starlight distance that we talked about as well how to best solve 00:17:38.690 --> 00:17:42.800 the supposed starlight distance problem and 00:17:42.800 --> 00:17:50.460 really you know just giving these two individuals an opportunity a chance to 00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:56.160 present the best case for how to correctly teach and articulate 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.110 the bible's teaching on creation the bible's 00:17:59.110 --> 00:18:02.210 doctrine on creation and i think that you know from pastor anderson's 00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:06.570 perspective kent hovind peddles pseudoscience and nonsense and so he 00:18:06.570 --> 00:18:12.540 wanted to combat that and he did yeah it's funny because i made the 00:18:12.540 --> 00:18:17.940 thumbnail and i did get some help but i kind of had got all the images and put 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:20.620 them together and i didn't mean to necessarily put a 00:18:20.620 --> 00:18:23.980 picture of pastor anderson where he's all like he's just like 00:18:23.980 --> 00:18:29.040 looking real angrily or like kind of real stoic looking but boy was that uh 00:18:29.040 --> 00:18:32.740 like prophetic what do you think about that it definitely turned out to be an 00:18:32.740 --> 00:18:36.970 appropriate thumbnail for for the live stream yeah i had no 00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:40.080 intention the game face was on i probably would have gotten he's he 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:43.510 usually is smiling so it's kind of crazy that i didn't find i don't even know 00:18:43.510 --> 00:18:46.460 where that picture came from i just looked at pictures online and it just 00:18:46.460 --> 00:18:50.690 kind of worked for the particular uh thumbnail and i think we ended up having 00:18:50.690 --> 00:18:53.800 someone help us make a poster of it too and then we were sitting it out there 00:18:53.800 --> 00:18:58.110 having people kind of advertise the show and boy it was it was it was kind of 00:18:58.110 --> 00:19:03.210 funny how just like right off the bat it was awkward and i didn't i did not 00:19:03.210 --> 00:19:07.800 anticipate that entirely i didn't know what to think um my wife in fact was 00:19:07.800 --> 00:19:12.020 sending me memes while the show was going on i don't know is it possible for 00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:16.560 us to put some of these memes up on the screen so it was kind of funny i didn't 00:19:16.560 --> 00:19:19.190 i wasn't checking my phone because i was really trying to pay attention to the 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:22.130 show yeah i was looking at the live stream and stuff let's see if we could 00:19:22.130 --> 00:19:25.960 put up some of these memes though i wish i had put them on the show well one 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:30.930 thing i want to say is when that started to happen when the sparks began to fly 00:19:30.930 --> 00:19:36.710 my immediate thought was let them cook just let them cook you know and let's 00:19:36.710 --> 00:19:39.950 see where this this thing goes and let's roll with it you know what i mean 00:19:39.950 --> 00:19:43.760 and that's live radio for you sometimes things happen that are unexpected 00:19:43.760 --> 00:19:47.890 yeah this is one although i kind of expected it but go ahead sorry and i 00:19:47.890 --> 00:19:50.570 didn't know how to respond so this is my wife sending a meme 00:19:50.570 --> 00:19:54.200 it's like pastor shelly while dr hovind and pastor anderson argue on the best 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:58.300 bias this is fine and there was a moment 00:19:58.300 --> 00:20:01.640 where i pretty much just said like there's no problem that we're arguing 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:05.290 everything's wonderful i think there was let's pull up another meme 00:20:05.290 --> 00:20:08.640 just keep just pull up the memes this was really good 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.190 oh yeah so i'm trying to you know actually 00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:15.750 moderate the discussion and trying to lead everybody and pastor anderson is 00:20:15.750 --> 00:20:20.190 just like well if we're done with this question i'm just like you're the moon 00:20:20.190 --> 00:20:24.900 so my wife sent the the bernie sanders i am once again asking about the moon oh 00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:29.590 here you go no you go to go to the other one this one's pretty funny too 00:20:29.590 --> 00:20:33.870 pastor shelly's question uh no i just want to talk about the moon 00:20:33.870 --> 00:20:37.500 you can tell that pastor anderson was really excited to uh kind of get to some 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:40.630 of the disagreement and yeah well probably in anticipation of 00:20:40.630 --> 00:20:43.690 smashing that idea of the moon getting pelted during the 00:20:43.690 --> 00:20:48.570 flood uh yes there was times where i was 00:20:48.570 --> 00:20:54.000 uncomfortable in the stream mostly because i i just you know i was 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.570 fine with the controversy that didn't bother me at all what i 00:20:57.570 --> 00:21:02.380 didn't want to do is i just didn't want to kill the stream i didn't want it to 00:21:02.380 --> 00:21:06.960 just get so heated that then they weren't willing to talk 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:12.160 anymore or like one of them would quit the show or something and you know i 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.730 just don't know where that's going i also didn't want it to like get into 00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:18.890 maybe just like a lot of personal attacks or something so i was i was trying 00:21:18.890 --> 00:21:23.350 to kind of calm it down a little bit and try to keep it on the conversation 00:21:23.350 --> 00:21:25.930 point but you know if i if i knew that those things 00:21:25.930 --> 00:21:28.770 weren't going to happen then i probably would have let them just kind of 00:21:28.770 --> 00:21:32.010 go at it a little bit more i don't i don't know what your thoughts were well 00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:34.510 you're trying to strike a delicate balance here 00:21:34.510 --> 00:21:37.900 because you know you're good friends with pastor anderson 00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:41.550 it could be easy for the perception to be that 00:21:41.550 --> 00:21:45.770 you brought him on there so that you and him can kind of go 00:21:45.770 --> 00:21:50.460 two-on-one against hovind when that wasn't the case and also 00:21:50.460 --> 00:21:53.640 there is the concern that hovind could quit or 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.000 just decide to walk off or something like that 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.740 and you wanted to prevent that from happening and i can understand why you 00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:04.360 would take that approach of just trying to stay 00:22:04.360 --> 00:22:10.080 balanced and let them cook like i said but if the temperature gets to a certain 00:22:10.080 --> 00:22:13.180 level try to bring it down just a little bit 00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:17.110 to keep the podcast going yeah i felt like there was a 00:22:17.110 --> 00:22:21.140 we kind of got into the heat like right away and we still had a lot of show to 00:22:21.140 --> 00:22:24.940 go we had a lot of questions and i i didn't want to 00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:28.270 not get to those questions because again the goal of the show was also to have 00:22:28.270 --> 00:22:31.660 you know get people interested in this in this subject here's the thing 00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:36.120 disagreement is a good thing people they get so used to this idea 00:22:36.120 --> 00:22:39.620 that every guest we have on we have to agree 00:22:39.620 --> 00:22:43.310 with every word that comes out of their mouth or if we get two guests on 00:22:43.310 --> 00:22:47.500 that the two guests we bring on have to agree or even like each other 00:22:47.500 --> 00:22:51.400 and agree with everything no no it's great disagreement is a 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.980 good thing if there's a bad idea being perpetuated 00:22:54.980 --> 00:22:59.520 then let's call it out let's debunk it and let's move forward we need to adorn 00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:03.100 our doctrine with wisdom but how can we do that as Christians 00:23:03.100 --> 00:23:08.040 if we're not addressing ideas that are bad and replacing them with good ideas 00:23:08.040 --> 00:23:12.610 yeah and again i'm not trying to preach a third sermon 00:23:12.610 --> 00:23:18.570 or a fourth sermon i'm not trying to uh talk about just the bible i'm trying 00:23:18.570 --> 00:23:21.770 to just go into the world which is sinful and has 00:23:21.770 --> 00:23:25.180 problems and issues and just bring our baptist bias with us 00:23:25.180 --> 00:23:28.280 so you know there's so many podcasts out there so many shows out there 00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:32.650 and their worldview ekes through the show and to me was frustrating that all 00:23:32.650 --> 00:23:34.700 these people are talking about everything people want to constantly 00:23:34.700 --> 00:23:39.320 watch stuff but they don't have a good perspective a good worldview and at the 00:23:39.320 --> 00:23:41.860 end of the day when people follow them to their latter end 00:23:41.860 --> 00:23:46.070 they realize this person's a catholic or a mormon or an atheist or whatever 00:23:46.070 --> 00:23:49.330 and you know i wanted to put a show out there where people could find 00:23:49.330 --> 00:23:53.400 some entertainment uh see world events happening 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.540 unfolding and being talked about from the baptist 00:23:56.540 --> 00:23:59.550 bias from there from our perspective i mean 00:23:59.550 --> 00:24:03.030 i think we've been pretty clear on the show i mean that that's what our view is 00:24:03.030 --> 00:24:06.850 and with these two individuals pastor anderson and dr hoeven 00:24:06.850 --> 00:24:10.900 you know i'm just saying here's two giant views that are out there 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:14.000 a lot of people know what's going on let's let's have them butt heads a 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.530 little bit and have a show and i was trying really 00:24:16.530 --> 00:24:21.310 hard not to side with anybody entirely or 00:24:21.310 --> 00:24:25.180 not to uh espouse my particular view on anything 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:28.860 i don't know what you felt it was like on the show 00:24:28.860 --> 00:24:31.720 no i thought you were fair i i probably between the two of us i was probably the 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:34.180 most opinionated even though i only spoke like twice 00:24:34.180 --> 00:24:37.200 yeah you're basically like i love pastor anderson 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.580 i want pastor anderson to be my friend and everything pastor anderson said was right 00:24:41.580 --> 00:24:45.230 that's my commentary for the show 00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:49.140 yeah it's a good recap okay well you know of course 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:52.620 it that's fine if you if you agree with him that's fine and i thought that's 00:24:52.620 --> 00:24:56.990 why i was good to have the show because i think when it comes to this specific 00:24:56.990 --> 00:24:59.800 even you and i had some disagreement yeah yeah i think when it comes to the 00:24:59.800 --> 00:25:03.030 conversation of creation and and when to apply a parent age 00:25:03.030 --> 00:25:07.660 i felt like you kind of leaned a little bit more towards pastor anderson's view 00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:10.980 and that i probably had a little bit more pushback from pastor anderson's 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:14.860 view so i thought we would be a little bit more balanced in the show 00:25:14.860 --> 00:25:20.960 yeah and we provided that balance again i do plan on making a few videos to 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:24.430 talk about you know kind of my perspective on 00:25:24.430 --> 00:25:27.290 some of these subjects and some of the arguments that were made i'd like to 00:25:27.290 --> 00:25:30.300 talk about the geologic column a little bit i'd like to talk about 00:25:30.300 --> 00:25:33.560 the apparent age being applied to heavenly bodies 00:25:33.560 --> 00:25:36.900 and just kind of put it out there but during the show i didn't really want to 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:41.600 put my view out there and um muddy the waters because there was 00:25:41.600 --> 00:25:46.610 going to be times where i sided with uh dr hovind's kind of maybe not 00:25:46.610 --> 00:25:50.270 necessarily exact argument but kind of viewpoint and there's going to be times 00:25:50.270 --> 00:25:53.050 where i definitely sided with pastor anderson's viewpoint 00:25:53.050 --> 00:25:56.980 and i didn't want either party to feel like i was kind of just 00:25:56.980 --> 00:26:00.940 on their team or something right but at the same time i want to put push back on 00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:03.330 both right and i think from from your 00:26:03.330 --> 00:26:05.960 perspective and feel free to interrupt me correct me if i'm 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:09.640 misrepresenting you at all but it seems like from your perspective 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:13.790 that you do think that there is some proof legitimate proof from the creation 00:26:13.790 --> 00:26:18.340 science perspective for a 6300 year earth and so if 00:26:18.340 --> 00:26:23.760 Hovind is going to bring some of those to the limelight and 00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:26.560 talk about some of those proofs for a young earth then you would 00:26:26.560 --> 00:26:30.390 agree with what he's saying but then you would disagree with him when he gets 00:26:30.390 --> 00:26:33.260 into the moon getting pelted during the flood or the 00:26:33.260 --> 00:26:36.930 the canopy but my point is is that there are some of his talking points that 00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:41.870 you would lean for it yeah i mean let's let's kind of recap the show from an 00:26:41.870 --> 00:26:45.310 outcome perspective you know pastor anderson did agree that 00:26:45.310 --> 00:26:48.800 there are arguments that can point to 6300 year old creation 00:26:48.800 --> 00:26:52.290 considering human population and i'm sure that there's other 00:26:52.290 --> 00:26:55.700 things that we kind of look at and see you know this there's no way this is 00:26:55.700 --> 00:27:00.440 fitting their evolutionary narrative um and then on the other side 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.640 dr hovind even agreed yeah the universe is created mature so 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.630 you know the sun could be in its mature stage and we don't know 00:27:08.630 --> 00:27:12.970 what that number is so i i feel like underneath a lot of the controversy 00:27:12.970 --> 00:27:17.220 there actually was a lot of agreement too then when we kind of get some of the 00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:20.630 nuance there you know why is there craters on 00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:23.220 the moon that's where they disagree but i think 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:27.770 that the the main animosity why there's disagreement on that 00:27:27.770 --> 00:27:31.960 particular subject is not so much the the differing aspect of there's 00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.740 craters on the moon or not it's more about the number game i 00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:39.100 think it's more about is this really a billion year old 00:27:39.100 --> 00:27:42.520 process or not and i think that that's where the young 00:27:42.520 --> 00:27:46.800 earth creationist at heart wants to eliminate billions of years 00:27:46.800 --> 00:27:51.020 off the table completely so that evolution falls apart 00:27:51.020 --> 00:27:53.860 and i think from pastor anderson's perspective he's saying no i have no 00:27:53.860 --> 00:27:55.840 problem putting billions of years on the table 00:27:55.840 --> 00:27:59.150 because it just doesn't really challenge my worldview that much 00:27:59.150 --> 00:28:03.300 and you know when it comes to arguments specifically about billions of years 00:28:03.300 --> 00:28:07.530 old i think that the the main you know 00:28:07.530 --> 00:28:11.190 argument that's difficult to maybe get to go against would be the starlight 00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:15.970 distance issue if if for some reason the starlight 00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:20.330 distance issue could be resolved within a 6300 year 00:28:20.330 --> 00:28:24.630 time period there there may not in my opinion be any argument needed for a 00:28:24.630 --> 00:28:28.450 parent age when it comes to heavenly bodies or the earth 00:28:28.450 --> 00:28:31.400 or any of those things i think the numbers would just be made up at that 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.390 point but i think if the starlight distance 00:28:33.390 --> 00:28:37.130 problem is the way as presented by modern science 00:28:37.130 --> 00:28:43.990 then we have to consider that the age of the universe um could have a quote 00:28:43.990 --> 00:28:48.140 apparent age of billions of years and i really don't have any problem with 00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:52.200 any life cycle or any anything that god created 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.360 necessitating billions of years you know the the sun that he created 00:28:56.360 --> 00:29:00.020 it makes sense to me that that sun could sustain itself for billions of years 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:03.280 right that it's not going to just go away willy-nilly or it's really 00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:05.820 fragile that the system in the universe that god 00:29:05.820 --> 00:29:08.920 created could really last for a very long time 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.760 like that makes sense to me i mean what about you yeah obviously i i would agree 00:29:13.760 --> 00:29:16.680 with that and and from my perspective as well it 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.850 seems like just from a layman's perspective that god created 00:29:20.850 --> 00:29:24.450 the different elements of the universe with their own apparent age so i don't 00:29:24.450 --> 00:29:28.410 think that it all necessarily has the same 00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:31.970 apparent age or appearance of age that you can assign the same number 00:29:31.970 --> 00:29:35.450 to everything and so for my my opinion is that 00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:38.630 let's say you find like they talk about a lot of creation scientists will talk 00:29:38.630 --> 00:29:42.190 about spiral galaxies and talk about these different components 00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:45.840 that seem to point to a younger universe well i would look at that and i 00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:48.680 would say all right well obviously god assigned a younger 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:53.080 apparent age to that element of the universe compared to 00:29:53.080 --> 00:29:57.990 for example the starlight which points to a universe that looks 00:29:57.990 --> 00:30:01.290 much older well i think when we talk about 00:30:01.290 --> 00:30:05.260 um some of the controversy and some of the hostility pastor anderson 00:30:05.260 --> 00:30:12.440 takes a lot of uh he's he's very angry about the idea of mixing some of the 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.350 science that young earth creationists espouse 00:30:15.350 --> 00:30:20.730 with what i would call miracles and and why i use i'm using this word 00:30:20.730 --> 00:30:25.530 miracles not because they would but this is my viewpoint dr hoven has 00:30:25.530 --> 00:30:29.180 his own kind of viewpoint called the hoven theory and the 00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:33.570 hoven theory has a lot of strange views such as like 00:30:33.570 --> 00:30:37.150 the earth's covered in some kind of a glass or ice dome 00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:42.730 and specifically he brought up the idea of boulders being shot off of the earth 00:30:42.730 --> 00:30:46.470 and hitting the moon and that causing creators 00:30:46.470 --> 00:30:49.500 there's a lot of other interesting ideas he has 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:53.430 as regards to the hoven theory but what i would say is that 00:30:53.430 --> 00:30:58.590 if we agree that the natural laws that are in existence today 00:30:58.590 --> 00:31:02.060 and the things that are happening right now that most of 00:31:02.060 --> 00:31:05.330 what he's expousing could not happen naturally speaking 00:31:05.330 --> 00:31:09.130 and so i would almost put it in a category of a miracle you know there's 00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:12.100 plenty of miracles we believe we believe in the resurrection of 00:31:12.100 --> 00:31:14.620 jesus christ we believe in the parting of the red sea 00:31:14.620 --> 00:31:18.340 and the reason why we believe in miracles is because the bible says it 00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:21.520 the bible literally says that jesus rose again from the dead the bible literally 00:31:21.520 --> 00:31:24.770 says that the red sea was parted and they walked on 00:31:24.770 --> 00:31:27.150 dry land but you know the bible doesn't say 00:31:27.150 --> 00:31:31.130 is that rocks shot off from the earth and hit the moon 00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:35.250 so i think if if dr hovind was going to be 00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:38.790 intellectually honest and scientific about his theory he would have to 00:31:38.790 --> 00:31:41.990 present it as you know this is just a miracle there's 00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:45.010 no science like science could never prove that or 00:31:45.010 --> 00:31:48.430 science would really disagree with so many aspects of that 00:31:48.430 --> 00:31:51.370 that the only way that rocks are shooting off of the moon 00:31:51.370 --> 00:31:55.740 to to create all those uh craters it would be a 00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:59.420 basically just a miracle in my opinion it's not it's not based on science 00:31:59.420 --> 00:32:03.940 no okay and if we're gonna combat evolution if we're gonna combat 00:32:03.940 --> 00:32:07.670 you know these arbitrary claims when it comes to 00:32:07.670 --> 00:32:11.540 mac revolution big bang theory things like that i don't want to present 00:32:11.540 --> 00:32:16.210 a another fairy tale at them or some kind of a miracle based idea 00:32:16.210 --> 00:32:19.580 i would rather just stick to the science and it seems like dr hoven 00:32:19.580 --> 00:32:23.160 has a really is really good at poking holes at 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.910 and and kind of disarming a lot of evolutionary arguments 00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:30.590 but it doesn't seem like he applies the same level of criticism 00:32:30.590 --> 00:32:34.710 to his own theory when it comes to a scientific perspective and i think when 00:32:34.710 --> 00:32:37.020 pastor aniston was pushing back on him there 00:32:37.020 --> 00:32:40.270 that he didn't really know exactly how to articulate 00:32:40.270 --> 00:32:44.170 maybe some of those points because in my opinion it seems more like a miracle 00:32:44.170 --> 00:32:49.690 or a fantasy than it does a scientific argument what is your viewpoint 00:32:49.690 --> 00:32:54.280 you know as far as like separating the hoven theory from some of these young 00:32:54.280 --> 00:32:59.280 earth creationist arguments i think the hoven theory is ridiculous i 00:32:59.280 --> 00:33:02.870 also think that it's an example of when creation science 00:33:02.870 --> 00:33:08.090 goes haywire the reality is religion and science 00:33:08.090 --> 00:33:11.720 can coexist without there being so much conflict 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:17.470 they just need to stay in their lane when science gets out of its lane 00:33:17.470 --> 00:33:21.470 that's where you get macroevolution that's where you get these god haters 00:33:21.470 --> 00:33:24.950 who want to tell you about the origins of the universe and say that 00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:29.960 our biological ancestor is a fish but then on the other side 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:36.110 i think that creation science begins to get out of its lane when it throws the 00:33:36.110 --> 00:33:41.920 baby out with the bath water and begins to embrace pseudoscience 00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.240 and arguments that are foolish like the moon 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.810 was pelted by giant rocks during the flood 00:33:49.810 --> 00:33:53.660 and an ice dome right so these are things that can get us as Christians 00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:58.080 laughed out of the room and it's important for us to make our doctrine as 00:33:58.080 --> 00:34:01.410 palatable as possible for those that are without 00:34:01.410 --> 00:34:06.480 by appealing to logic fact and reason and common sense as well 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.740 yeah again i i agree with you that it comes to if we're going to argue 00:34:10.740 --> 00:34:14.060 against evolutionists and some of these other individuals 00:34:14.060 --> 00:34:18.010 and we're going to try and be scientific then why don't why don't we stay 00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:21.720 scientific and if we're going to be religious then why don't we 00:34:21.720 --> 00:34:25.480 keep all of our miracles to the miracles found in the bible like 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.480 and you know i think we should be almost just 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:35.060 staying away from any kind of creative ideas that especially are unscientific 00:34:35.060 --> 00:34:38.300 when it comes to this particular argument or this particular 00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:41.330 situation and and that's the thing that i think a lot of people would take 00:34:41.330 --> 00:34:46.670 controversy with on dr hoven as far as you know some of his wild eye 00:34:46.670 --> 00:34:51.690 conspiracies as far as just like how this this hoven theory explanation of 00:34:51.690 --> 00:34:54.240 all these different phenomenon that we see in the universe 00:34:54.240 --> 00:34:57.340 um i think it would be better and safer to just 00:34:57.340 --> 00:35:02.040 simply acquiesce to um the science that we have and we know 00:35:02.040 --> 00:35:05.460 and then the miracles only that we see in the bible so again 00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:09.440 i'm not going to say that god couldn't have shot rocks off of the earth and hit 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.630 the moon but in my view that's not scientific that 00:35:12.630 --> 00:35:15.840 would be a miracle if that happened i believe that would have to be a miracle 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.520 i don't think that could scientifically happen i don't think that can naturally 00:35:18.520 --> 00:35:22.000 happen and so i think it's unfair to then present 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.000 that argument in the same light as other scientific arguments you know i 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.050 would have a strong distinguishment and i would even probably say myself like 00:35:31.050 --> 00:35:35.740 this is unscientific what i'm about to say i just personally believe that god 00:35:35.740 --> 00:35:40.030 performed a miracle and did this well at least then you know people would say 00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:43.790 like okay that's a crazy idea i don't believe in it but at least he's not 00:35:43.790 --> 00:35:47.920 saying it's science if you're going to say it's science you know let's let's 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.810 actually apply true scientific principles to this 00:35:51.810 --> 00:35:56.130 and realize that you know hey there's too much against this from a scientific 00:35:56.130 --> 00:35:58.190 respect there's no way that could possibly happen sure 00:35:58.190 --> 00:36:03.580 i mean the velocity and the trajectory and the distance from the earth to the 00:36:03.580 --> 00:36:07.550 moon uh you know that's it's just it's just 00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:11.730 crazy i mean it really just is crazy but at the same time i think that you 00:36:11.730 --> 00:36:14.910 know if i was going to push back on pastor enerson a little bit 00:36:14.910 --> 00:36:17.970 i don't know that i i personally don't acquiesce 00:36:17.970 --> 00:36:22.710 to you know the age of the earth being 4.5 billion years i think that 00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:28.430 the radiometric dating is flawed and i think that when we compare the 00:36:28.430 --> 00:36:31.440 geologic column and what ages they assign to a lot of the 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.190 different layers and we notice the flaws in it that it really undermines 00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:40.770 all of their other numbers and so you know i feel like maybe he's just not 00:36:40.770 --> 00:36:44.990 uh he's not willing to go down that road 00:36:44.990 --> 00:36:49.040 and just throw all that out whereas i'm i'm ready to throw it all in the trash 00:36:49.040 --> 00:36:53.600 and so i think that there's a little bit of pushback when it comes to 00:36:53.600 --> 00:36:56.830 my view on some of theirs and i want to make another video where i kind of 00:36:56.830 --> 00:37:02.340 explain that in specific detail and i and i noticed that in the 2020 live stream i 00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:05.280 referenced earlier on when we were doing this stream right now i 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.010 talked about the podcast that he did with matt powell 00:37:09.010 --> 00:37:13.370 uh over on the framing the world platform and there was some disagreement 00:37:13.370 --> 00:37:16.940 between them on the application of the appearance of 00:37:16.940 --> 00:37:20.480 age and even raw matt called in who's a big 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.430 creation guy and he started talking about spiral galaxies 00:37:24.430 --> 00:37:28.750 and you know there was just some differing views on 00:37:28.750 --> 00:37:32.960 on how that really fits into the paradigm 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.210 when it comes to creation and matt powell brought up 00:37:36.210 --> 00:37:40.740 space dust and and kind of pointing toward using that to point toward a 00:37:40.740 --> 00:37:44.450 younger universe so there's differing views there's 00:37:44.450 --> 00:37:48.050 nuance there's different perspectives and 00:37:48.050 --> 00:37:52.500 at the end of the day all of us we fall under the biblical paradigm rather than 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:57.580 the secular paradigm so we have that commonality it's just a matter i think 00:37:57.580 --> 00:38:03.930 of refining our paradigm to then come up with the very 00:38:03.930 --> 00:38:07.580 best argument and weapon that we can use to slay 00:38:07.580 --> 00:38:11.430 the evolutionary crowd absolutely figuratively i'm looking at some of the 00:38:11.430 --> 00:38:14.260 comments someone said pastor anderson didn't say the earth was billions of 00:38:14.260 --> 00:38:17.610 years old uh i don't know if that's exactly what i 00:38:17.610 --> 00:38:21.420 said that he said but again pastor anderson does seem to 00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:25.070 acquiesce to that number as not being problematic 00:38:25.070 --> 00:38:29.680 um much more than i do personally and so again 00:38:29.680 --> 00:38:34.110 in theory and and and logically i don't really care if the 00:38:34.110 --> 00:38:38.470 rock cycle is taking you know 4.5 billion years or something like that 00:38:38.470 --> 00:38:44.560 but the numbers upon which we arrive for that particular um rock layer or those 00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:50.240 particular samples of igneous rock i believe can be truly discarded when we 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:53.890 look at other samples with you know from a creationist viewpoint 00:38:53.890 --> 00:38:57.230 known ages when we look at the geologic column we look at 00:38:57.230 --> 00:39:00.490 and i use that term loosely obviously i'm just referring to what the textbooks 00:39:00.490 --> 00:39:03.190 refer to but when we look at all the layers where 00:39:03.190 --> 00:39:06.850 we find the fossils they're dating that hundreds of millions of years old 00:39:06.850 --> 00:39:11.780 through radiometric dating techniques and i believe that's clearly false i 00:39:11.780 --> 00:39:16.220 think it's the last you know 46 4700 years and so 00:39:16.220 --> 00:39:19.860 you know if that's false then i would say that all the other things are false 00:39:19.860 --> 00:39:24.850 as well and so you know from pastor inerson's perspective you know he's 00:39:24.850 --> 00:39:28.460 using the idea of a parent age when it comes to the earth or the 00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:31.900 universe or these things but it's kind of hard for me to put a date 00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:36.160 put a date on the earth itself because when i look at the earth i don't see a 00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:38.840 date uh i have no idea how or when it would 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.170 be created so you know the age of the the age of 00:39:42.170 --> 00:39:47.400 you know anything um is usually through mathematical calculations that include 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.170 assumptions and i just you know at the same time 00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:52.140 it's hard for me to want to sit here and 00:39:52.140 --> 00:39:55.620 agree to these assumptions when a lot of the people 00:39:55.620 --> 00:40:01.080 calculating them have not the baptist bias but an evolutionary biased when it 00:40:01.080 --> 00:40:03.920 comes to their methods of calculation yeah and and 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:09.190 obviously your opinion is shared by many different young earth creationists 00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:12.200 out there including one in particular who comes to mind from the institute of 00:40:12.200 --> 00:40:17.200 creation research the geologist there tim carry has done several podcasts 00:40:17.200 --> 00:40:21.160 where he talks about the age of rocks and how he doesn't really feel like you 00:40:21.160 --> 00:40:24.970 can necessarily even attach a number to that and and i know you've talked 00:40:24.970 --> 00:40:29.330 with me about that in private i certainly understand the perspective i 00:40:29.330 --> 00:40:35.310 think that regardless of the age of of of some of 00:40:35.310 --> 00:40:39.330 these different layers and and and rocks wow that was a loud 00:40:39.330 --> 00:40:42.320 thunder there anyway i don't know if people heard that there's a big storm 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.810 outside caught me off guard here's my point 00:40:44.810 --> 00:40:47.730 doesn't change a thing for me because coming after you been 00:40:47.730 --> 00:40:50.990 apparently it doesn't change a thing for me this is the point i'm just trying to 00:40:50.990 --> 00:40:52.730 make here it doesn't change a thing for me whether 00:40:52.730 --> 00:40:56.310 they can a hundred percent prove that the earth is four and a half 00:40:56.310 --> 00:40:59.810 billion years or not because and this is the beauty of the apparent 00:40:59.810 --> 00:41:02.830 age doctrine okay let's say they a hundred percent prove it beyond any 00:41:02.830 --> 00:41:05.730 shadow of a doubt well thank god just made it look that way 00:41:05.730 --> 00:41:11.490 and we can all move on now when it came to the actual show is there a 00:41:11.490 --> 00:41:17.990 winner you go first because because ben has the 00:41:17.990 --> 00:41:22.360 pastor anderson bias yeah i think that um obviously it seemed 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.780 pretty once it kind of seemed lopsided it wasn't a formal debate so it's not 00:41:25.780 --> 00:41:29.360 wasn't a who was not lost it was just kind of a discussion but yeah 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.230 from an outcome perspective do you feel like there was winners and losers from 00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:35.340 the discussion well i thought pastor anderson cooked them 00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:41.480 okay i i do think that um in all fairness dr hoeven didn't necessarily 00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:45.140 anticipate some of the arguments that were made i 00:41:45.140 --> 00:41:48.710 again i i would say that he was given the opportunity to 00:41:48.710 --> 00:41:51.400 know what topic talking points we were going to bring up 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.180 i don't know that he's necessarily heard pastor anderson's viewpoint on this or 00:41:54.180 --> 00:41:56.130 some of the things that he was going to say 00:41:56.130 --> 00:42:01.400 um even after hearing pastor anderson's viewpoint he didn't necessarily 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:06.230 uh it didn't seem like he was affording opportunity to change his mind it seemed 00:42:06.230 --> 00:42:09.070 like he was just in solid disagreement just maybe not 00:42:09.070 --> 00:42:14.800 necessarily knowing the best way to articulate his viewpoint i think that 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.310 he lacked in providing any kind of real scientific 00:42:17.310 --> 00:42:22.130 argument for the moon uh issues that were brought up 00:42:22.130 --> 00:42:25.610 and specifically he did challenge pastor anderson on a couple things and 00:42:25.610 --> 00:42:27.560 pastors and made a couple follow-up videos 00:42:27.560 --> 00:42:32.120 i mirrored them on our channel but unfortunately youtube was like 00:42:32.120 --> 00:42:35.050 nuking all of my channels so i hid them and then all of a sudden they just nuked 00:42:35.050 --> 00:42:37.190 our channel so it didn't matter anyways but 00:42:37.190 --> 00:42:40.790 specifically one of those challenges is uh dr hoven 00:42:40.790 --> 00:42:45.660 brought up the idea of the moon being 2 000 miles in diameter 00:42:45.660 --> 00:42:49.790 and he kind of was theorizing or suggesting that the surface area of the 00:42:49.790 --> 00:42:54.340 moon was not enough to cover 5 000 plus craters that were 00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:59.980 approximately 12 miles in in diameter as well 00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:02.960 pastor anderson did bring up while on the show that they could be overlapping 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.080 and they are overlapping but pastor anderson did make a follow 00:43:06.080 --> 00:43:09.390 up video where he showed even if they never 00:43:09.390 --> 00:43:11.670 overlapped a single time that there's plenty 00:43:11.670 --> 00:43:15.730 plenty of square acreage on the moon to have 00:43:15.730 --> 00:43:22.270 all to have 5 000 plus craters 12 miles in diameter and still have 00:43:22.270 --> 00:43:26.390 plenty of moon to not cover so i think that that 00:43:26.390 --> 00:43:30.400 challenge pastor is definitely one i think uh did you watch that video yes 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.630 what did you think about that video that i mean i don't have very much else to 00:43:33.630 --> 00:43:37.010 add that hasn't already been said to be honest i think there was other 00:43:37.010 --> 00:43:40.000 controversy as far as the children of israel how long they were in 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:45.200 egypt um i don't think i've ever heard i didn't realize i don't think i've ever 00:43:45.200 --> 00:43:49.630 heard of uh dr hovind's position that the children of israel were 00:43:49.630 --> 00:43:54.440 um starting with abraham like the countdown of like the 430 years have 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.680 you ever heard that i've never heard that at all i was very confused by 00:43:57.680 --> 00:44:02.980 the argument he was making very very confused i've calculated the age of the 00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:06.460 universe myself just independently just made a whole chart i did not come to 00:44:06.460 --> 00:44:09.740 that conclusion whatsoever and then pastor engine made a follow-up video 00:44:09.740 --> 00:44:13.960 where he kind of showed the few verses that he believes supports his position 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.920 and i think the the verse that they're pointing to is one in galatians 3 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.930 where it talks about um abraham specifically 00:44:21.930 --> 00:44:25.250 being given the covenant or giving the promise and it says the law which was 00:44:25.250 --> 00:44:30.260 430 years after shall not disannul but at the same time like the new 00:44:30.260 --> 00:44:33.960 testament is just just kind of like summarizing and just kind of throwing 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.350 things out there i i think it would be it would be kind of 00:44:36.350 --> 00:44:40.730 foolish to take the suggestion in galatians 3 00:44:40.730 --> 00:44:43.680 and just completely rewrite the history of the old testament 00:44:43.680 --> 00:44:47.030 especially considering the fact that in other places in the in the bible 00:44:47.030 --> 00:44:51.250 it it literally says that they were evil and treated for 400 years in egypt 00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:55.390 and based on Ken Hoeven's chart i don't see how that's even possible at all 00:44:55.390 --> 00:45:03.550 so you know i would definitely push back um i i don't think that that makes sense 00:45:03.550 --> 00:45:08.410 at all i think it's about 6300 years that's what i said to start the show you 00:45:08.410 --> 00:45:11.480 know i i said i believe you know in 6300 years old i kind of 00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:15.730 pastor anderson agreed with me and then um dr hovind brought up he kind of made a 00:45:15.730 --> 00:45:19.200 joke he said it's like 6000 years october at 2 p.m or whatever and it's 00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:21.730 like i didn't know if he was just joking 00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:25.630 just a joke or he really was 6000 but then boy did that get 00:45:25.630 --> 00:45:28.750 intense yeah he was he was just trying to make a joke i think 00:45:28.750 --> 00:45:32.410 so i think the law was confirmed to abraham 00:45:32.410 --> 00:45:35.940 somewhere in like genesis i believe maybe i can't remember the chapter 00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:41.540 specifically but it's like confirmed to abraham and 00:45:41.540 --> 00:45:44.100 then that doesn't really have anything to do with 00:45:44.100 --> 00:45:47.870 the children you know we don't add that number into the children of israel's 00:45:47.870 --> 00:45:52.390 overall you know sojourning in egypt so kind of a separate issue 00:45:52.390 --> 00:45:58.100 the confirmation versus their sojourning yeah uh i don't 00:45:58.100 --> 00:46:02.100 i don't know how you could argue that i think that this is wrong 00:46:02.100 --> 00:46:06.560 so i agree with pastor anderson i totally agree with pastor anderson on the 00:46:06.560 --> 00:46:10.450 timeline perspective that's the timeline that i've made i would be interested if 00:46:10.450 --> 00:46:14.320 if dr ovin could prove his viewpoint and prove those other verses wrong i 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.630 don't think that he can whatsoever um and when it comes to the surface area of 00:46:18.630 --> 00:46:20.810 the moon that's something that i already prepared for 00:46:20.810 --> 00:46:24.220 for the show but because pastor anderson got so heated i didn't really want to 00:46:24.220 --> 00:46:27.690 like pour some oil or gas on the fire so i 00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:32.290 didn't even show it on the on the show um but yeah the surface area of the moon 00:46:32.290 --> 00:46:38.320 definitely is enough to cover all the craters that exist um i i do 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.530 i did want to bring up the fact that on the moon you have the mare 00:46:41.530 --> 00:46:46.220 genesis 15 13 yeah that's one of the that's what i was one of the verses okay yeah okay 00:46:46.220 --> 00:46:51.200 the mare is kind of what's considered was or thought to be seas on the moon at one point is 00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:55.770 the dark spots um i think it would have been interesting to get their perspectives on is the 00:46:55.770 --> 00:47:03.500 mare day one or is the mare like a post-creation thing as well um because it seemed like dr hovind 00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:09.090 had this idea like well the moon's perfect but i'm like what is a perfect moon could a perfect moon 00:47:09.090 --> 00:47:13.790 still have created like craters on it like why is that not perfect all of a sudden because i'm sure 00:47:13.790 --> 00:47:19.120 when we look at the topography of the earth it wasn't a smooth flat orb or something like that 00:47:19.120 --> 00:47:24.530 i mean i'm sure that there was hills and valleys and rocks and you know whatever i mean i don't 00:47:24.530 --> 00:47:30.090 think that the earth was just like west texas it was the flattest place that you've ever seen 00:47:30.090 --> 00:47:35.390 your entire life i think that there was going to be obviously some geographic features that exist so 00:47:35.390 --> 00:47:42.300 i would push back and say like i don't think that uh a moon with with mare or with impact 00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:47.840 craters makes it not perfect or something um just seems like what some people would argue is character 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:53.380 just like the sun itself if you look at close-up pictures of the sun like it's it's not even 00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:58.120 necessarily always perfect there's like different aspects of the gas that's like shooting off and 00:47:58.120 --> 00:48:03.490 it's a little bit different colors and you know it's it's unique and even the stars the stars 00:48:03.490 --> 00:48:09.380 differ in colors and shapes and brightnesses like am i really to say that one one star is perfect 00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:15.340 and one's not because of its color or shape or the the topographical features if that's even the 00:48:15.340 --> 00:48:20.600 right terminology for a star i don't know i mean what's your viewpoint on a perfect moon 00:48:20.600 --> 00:48:29.200 well it was created mature i feel like that's a separate category from perfection or imperfection 00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:37.520 right it was created mature and it was created with impact craters that give it the hypothetical 00:48:37.520 --> 00:48:45.350 backstory of getting impacted with meteorites and different you know objects in space that gave it 00:48:45.350 --> 00:48:53.490 its features you know i really to me it's very similar to the adam's belly button question and 00:48:53.490 --> 00:48:59.190 i found it weird that ken hovind was just so dogmatic that adam did not have a belly button 00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:06.710 on the stream that that was kind of like why are you that sure about that well obviously it's 00:49:06.710 --> 00:49:12.180 something he's thought about i i i really when it comes to this it's literally a navel gazing 00:49:12.180 --> 00:49:18.130 doctrine i mean i'm like to me it doesn't matter at all well and at the end of the day you know 00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:25.390 it's it's unprovable i think that i i i could see how people have strong opinions both ways 00:49:25.390 --> 00:49:29.290 and i've heard the argument for the belly button and this is probably the best argument is that 00:49:29.290 --> 00:49:35.090 adam looks like jesus jesus has one so therefore yeah he has it or he's created in the image of 00:49:35.090 --> 00:49:39.460 god jesus had a belly button so it wouldn't be a logical leap to say adam had a belly button 00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:43.490 um some people would say well that's you know christ hadn't been incarnated yet i don't know 00:49:43.490 --> 00:49:48.180 some people would would push back i think pastor anderson's viewpoint was well we all have a belly 00:49:48.180 --> 00:49:53.580 button so it's a burden of prus on them to prove that he didn't at the end of the day part of the 00:49:53.580 --> 00:49:58.440 human anatomy it's like does that is that really matter i don't think that that one really matters 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.750 and i think again if we were going to be saying i'm going to prove that adam had a belly button 00:50:02.750 --> 00:50:06.420 scientifically well now we've crossed like you said in the lane where now we're not sticking to 00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:12.070 science and we're going back to fantasy or your view of miracles that the bible doesn't talk 00:50:12.070 --> 00:50:18.050 about i'm all for miracles but let's keep our miracles to things that the text says i love 00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:24.130 those kind of miracles and so i want to make sure that we're sticking just got to stay in the correct 00:50:24.130 --> 00:50:29.630 lane if you're science or if you're creation and it angers me when the opposite happens you know 00:50:29.630 --> 00:50:33.500 what really angers me is theistic evolution i know we didn't cover it on the podcast i just 00:50:33.500 --> 00:50:41.930 wanted to put it out there when people whisk the scripture to try and make science falsely so-called 00:50:41.930 --> 00:50:50.010 fit that pisses me off and and theistic evolution is exhibit a of that can you hear the rock music 00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:54.620 i don't know if i can hear the rock music i'm not sure if people listening to the stream can 00:50:54.620 --> 00:50:58.840 hear the rock music might be a good idea to ask him in the chat you know it's funny because it's 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:05.410 like any obstacle we can have we will have for this show yes but you know what we're charging on 00:51:05.410 --> 00:51:09.600 we're staying steadfast stay steadfast we're just going to keep the show going keep the show going 00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:14.430 and you know we really need our audience i'm actually i'll be i'll be honest i'm a little 00:51:14.430 --> 00:51:18.540 uplifted in spirit we have 178 people watching live right now everything's going to be okay 00:51:18.540 --> 00:51:25.080 and but but at the end of the day we need we need our audience to share this show because pastor 00:51:25.080 --> 00:51:31.410 shelly and social media are not friends uh not friends at all and it's it's almost like i have 00:51:31.410 --> 00:51:38.370 that other meme the uno meme you can bring it up it's kind of like how uh dr hoeven tried to say 00:51:38.370 --> 00:51:46.470 hi to pastor anderson to start the show and boy was it spicy this is how social media treats 00:51:46.470 --> 00:51:50.650 well yeah and i don't think he wanted the illusion to be oh i'm i'm this guy's buddy 00:51:50.650 --> 00:51:55.320 no they're they're not friends yeah talk about another follow-up video uh pastor anderson made 00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:01.180 another follow-up video where he put out his viewpoint on why he was so hostile towards 00:52:01.180 --> 00:52:06.300 dr yeah the announcement now here's the thing i i know about all that it's not that i don't know 00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:11.240 about all that entirely but at the same time i have been trying to give dr hoeven the benefit 00:52:11.240 --> 00:52:16.990 of the doubt on a few of those issues and i i've you know been trying to reach out in a friendly way 00:52:16.990 --> 00:52:22.710 just to confirm some of those things before i make uh my own judgment because yes i have seen the 00:52:22.710 --> 00:52:28.110 video expousing the joey faust thing obviously joey faust is super wicked and is like a false 00:52:28.110 --> 00:52:35.200 prophet and the viewpoints that he has is easily proven wrong easily proven wrong i would think 00:52:35.200 --> 00:52:42.480 any saved person would immediately reject such a thing and so to me it's extremely bizarre it's 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:48.480 very confusing why dr hovind number one would have him on number two say that he couldn't debunk 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:55.060 it number three read the book four times all of that's super concerning um i do want to say 00:52:55.060 --> 00:53:00.370 there's some strange things that happen in the bible save men of god get involved in all kinds 00:53:00.370 --> 00:53:05.920 of weird stuff so i don't want to say that it's it's not possible i mean consider the whole book 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:12.910 of galatians is talking to a church upon which essentially that church is mixed up on the gospel 00:53:12.910 --> 00:53:17.910 itself literally um now of course the apostle paul says i'm afraid of you he says hey i'm kind of 00:53:17.910 --> 00:53:24.120 nervous about what's going on here we see men of god hooking you know as far as kings kings of juda 00:53:24.120 --> 00:53:29.530 yoking up with kings of israel not right whatsoever but at the same time didn't make them unsaved 00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:34.990 and i i have gone to dr hovind's um most recent youtube channel i think he lost one but his most 00:53:34.990 --> 00:53:39.790 recent one he his most popular video his number one video was a gospel presentation i watched it 00:53:39.790 --> 00:53:45.450 and it's pretty much everything that i would say or people that i know would say so i'm just i'm 00:53:45.450 --> 00:53:52.570 not sure i would think if he was just like a complete unsaved false prophet that you know he 00:53:52.570 --> 00:53:59.670 would probably struggle with the gospel or not be making that his number one video and you know 00:53:59.670 --> 00:54:05.670 again i don't know i could be wrong on this issue but at the end of the day like there's other issues 00:54:05.670 --> 00:54:11.400 too obviously um people are concerned that he's not legally married and i would take issue if 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.850 that's you know 100 true i think that there's a lot of evidence to prove that there might be some 00:54:15.850 --> 00:54:22.240 issues there but again i'm not inviting people to come on my show that would be welcome in my church 00:54:22.240 --> 00:54:26.910 because that's just not the goal of the show because then it's only going to be like church 00:54:26.910 --> 00:54:32.860 members on his guests the goal of the show is just to bring guests on and you know if pastor 00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:37.570 anderson doesn't like dr hovind or has strong feelings towards him that doesn't bother me 00:54:37.570 --> 00:54:41.790 because frankly speaking i would love to have more shows like that i would love to bring people 00:54:41.790 --> 00:54:46.980 like james white on debate pastor anderson on the king james bible issue i would love to bring 00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:51.600 you know all these different opposing world views together and have them hash things out 00:54:51.600 --> 00:54:57.180 and and and us included hashing things out like i'm not against having people on the show 00:54:57.180 --> 00:55:03.570 that I totally don't agree with, maybe don't even like. There's in fact a show that I'm 00:55:03.570 --> 00:55:08.900 anticipating potentially happening in a couple months with someone that I really don't like 00:55:08.900 --> 00:55:15.040 at all. Me neither. And at the end of the day, the goal isn't necessarily to have them on the show 00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:21.630 because I like the person, but rather just to have the conversation. I want to have the conversations. 00:55:21.630 --> 00:55:25.490 I don't want to shy away from conversations. I want to earnestly contend for the faith. 00:55:25.490 --> 00:55:30.110 I want to put our worldview out there. The Jews don't want me to put my worldview out there. 00:55:30.110 --> 00:55:34.290 And so I keep getting, you know, destroyed on every social media platform that exists 00:55:34.290 --> 00:55:39.510 except for rumble. All right. So we're hoping that rumble lasts as long as possible. 00:55:39.510 --> 00:55:46.280 And then there's God resource, but we're putting a lot of stuff on rumble. You need to get on rumble. 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:52.980 If you hadn't been following us already, share, tell people, email, post, clip up our show and 00:55:52.980 --> 00:55:58.300 put it on YouTube. I don't care. I'm done with YouTube personally. But that doesn't mean that 00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:03.030 you can't take my clips and this clips from the show and put it up there on YouTube because I 00:56:03.030 --> 00:56:09.240 think that that would be great. And you know, when it comes to the whole Dr. Hovind issue, 00:56:09.240 --> 00:56:16.080 I have no problem with someone hating him coming on the show. That wasn't entirely my viewpoint. 00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:20.560 I do have a little bit different viewpoint there. So I wasn't trying to do some gotcha. I saw some 00:56:20.560 --> 00:56:24.510 people saying like, "Oh, Pastor Shelley's just trying to get Dr. Hovind or something." Not at 00:56:24.510 --> 00:56:28.870 all. I don't think that at all. And you would basically have to be calling me a liar because 00:56:28.870 --> 00:56:35.500 on the show, multiple times, I said, "I like Dr. Hovind." I said, "I liked a lot of the information 00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:40.650 he had." And I still mean those things. Now, obviously, if someone could be proven to me to 00:56:40.650 --> 00:56:44.800 be a false prophet, then I have to change my opinion. But there's still people that I like. 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:49.290 There's people that are false prophets or people that I think are mixed up on the gospel, 00:56:49.290 --> 00:56:53.570 and I still kind of like want to like that person. You know, and I'll give another example, 00:56:53.570 --> 00:56:57.980 and I'm going on a rant here for a second, but you know, someone like Pastor Stacey Shifflett, 00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:03.860 I really liked that guy. It's still hard for me today not to like him. And I even wonder like, 00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:10.110 is he still just like really mixed up or is he just an unsaved false teacher? I don't know the 00:57:10.110 --> 00:57:14.970 question, but I preached the whole sermon on this because he's mixed up enough. I feel like we have 00:57:14.970 --> 00:57:19.900 to call him out on that specific issue. And I have done so, but at the same time, that doesn't 00:57:19.900 --> 00:57:25.710 change the fact that I kind of like like him. I don't know if you ever feel that way. I definitely 00:57:25.710 --> 00:57:31.320 understand what you're saying. Like it's just too bad that they're so mixed up on damnable heresy 00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.950 because if they weren't, then you could see yourself potentially enjoying their content. 00:57:35.950 --> 00:57:40.830 Like Young Don, I kind of liked him. I watched some of his show and then all of a sudden he just 00:57:40.830 --> 00:57:44.860 came up with all this crazy heresy and you're just like, what's wrong with you? You know, or 00:57:45.890 --> 00:57:50.010 Cassie's friend Gideon. I don't have anything against Gideon. I liked, I actually liked some 00:57:50.010 --> 00:57:54.870 of his videos. The one where he was sleeping during the WNBA. That was hilarious. I'm like, 00:57:54.870 --> 00:57:59.970 this guy's awesome. But then, you know, he yokes up with some false teacher, this Josh guy, which 00:57:59.970 --> 00:58:06.110 I've never liked Josh, but I did like Gideon and it's just kind of shameful and embarrassing 00:58:06.110 --> 00:58:11.130 that now he's espousing the same kind of work salvation. If it weren't for the fact that they're 00:58:11.130 --> 00:58:16.910 teaching damnable heresy, you could see yourself enjoying their content because their personality 00:58:16.910 --> 00:58:21.300 resonates with you. Well, I mean, think about someone like Saul, the apostle Paul, right? 00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:25.890 Prior to getting saved, what if someone was like, I kind of like Saul, even though he's, you know, 00:58:25.890 --> 00:58:29.710 calling us to prison and like, you know, he's destroying our churches and stuff like that. 00:58:29.710 --> 00:58:34.230 Just kind of like liking the person and then just, you know, you kind of have to keep your 00:58:34.230 --> 00:58:39.830 distance. I mean, can't we see the dichotomy a little bit with Jesus because he still calls 00:58:39.830 --> 00:58:45.660 Judas his friend. He still is kind to him. He's still kind of nice to him. He washed his feet. 00:58:45.660 --> 00:58:51.460 Like, don't we see a little bit of the like, Jesus loved Judas and he liked Judas and he was, 00:58:51.460 --> 00:58:57.120 he was a friend towards Judas. And it's disappointing to him that Judas betrayed him. 00:58:57.120 --> 00:59:03.910 It's not like, of course you did or something. It's like he's saddened at the reality of Judas 00:59:03.910 --> 00:59:08.710 being Judas. I mean, don't you see that kind of dichotomy? So like for me, if Ken Hovind was, 00:59:09.410 --> 00:59:13.920 was really bad or Judas or something, that would actually make me sad. I would be, 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.370 I would be disappointed because I like him, because I like a lot of the material. 00:59:17.370 --> 00:59:21.800 And again, some of the Hovind creation stuff, like his Hovind theory, like I've always thought 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:28.360 that's bizarre. I've heard him say like that Adam and Eve are like 34, 30 foot tall giants who are 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:33.200 running around the earth in less than 24 hours and you know, like all kinds of bizarre stuff. 00:59:33.200 --> 00:59:37.960 And I'm just thinking like, well, that's weird. It's kind of like when I see somebody and I like 00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.420 them and I find out they're flat earth. It's like, oh man. Like Stu Peters. Now I have zero respect 00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:47.460 for you. Isn't Stu Peters a flat earther? That's what I've heard. Yeah. And I mean, I've liked some 00:59:47.460 --> 00:59:52.210 of his material. I really liked his documentary. What was the documentary he made? Died Suddenly. 00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:58.050 Yes. Died Suddenly. Great documentary. Really liked it. But then it's just kind of like a bummer 00:59:58.050 --> 01:00:01.750 when I'm like, why are you a flat earther? Why are you a flat earther? Yeah. Now you're not 01:00:01.750 --> 01:00:06.440 going to get in his car ever. It's kind of like reading Stacey Shivlet's book Wolves Among Lamps. 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:10.570 Love the book. It's a real page-turner. But then you get the last page and it's just like 01:00:10.570 --> 01:00:15.140 repenting your sins and you're like, why'd you have to do that? You know, it's just kind of like 01:00:15.140 --> 01:00:21.080 frustrating. And so... No, I get your feeling. I personally have never felt that way toward 01:00:21.080 --> 01:00:27.070 Kent Hovind. I've never watched much of his content. I didn't watch his creation seminar. 01:00:27.070 --> 01:00:32.480 I haven't seen anything on the King James Bible that he's put out. I don't have a connection with 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:38.620 him at all, so I have a different perspective there. But I feel like, you know, for a lot of people, 01:00:38.620 --> 01:00:47.150 he is what I guess introduced them to fundamentalism perhaps, or maybe they have watched a lot of his 01:00:47.150 --> 01:00:53.840 seminars. And so they may have a different view than me because maybe they've just built up, 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:59.340 he's had more time to build up a rapport with them. I mean, again, I kind of changed my mind 01:00:59.340 --> 01:01:02.410 on the King James Bible because of him specifically. He made a few videos about it. 01:01:03.200 --> 01:01:07.100 He was one of the only people I'd ever heard talk about not drinking alcohol, 01:01:07.100 --> 01:01:11.740 which I was kind of surprised by. I liked that stance. And then again, I think a lot of the 01:01:11.740 --> 01:01:18.660 arguments that he has for creation and explaining creation science and then kind of pointing the 01:01:18.660 --> 01:01:24.470 flaws in evolution are still very legitimate arguments. The thing is that this creation 01:01:24.470 --> 01:01:29.040 argument, it's not like it started with Dr. Hoeven. There's people like Dr. Carl Ball 01:01:29.040 --> 01:01:34.250 and other individuals who really pioneered this movement and really presented a lot of 01:01:34.250 --> 01:01:39.580 the arguments that are just kind of repackaged and borrowed from people like him and other 01:01:39.580 --> 01:01:45.550 ministries that Dr. Hoeven's using. So it's not like his arguments are bad because he expounded 01:01:45.550 --> 01:01:53.090 them. Anybody can expound good arguments. And so I like a lot of the arguments that he has expounded. 01:01:53.090 --> 01:01:58.490 I really appreciate a lot of the stances he's taken. And yeah, again, does he have a lot of 01:01:58.490 --> 01:02:05.030 serious problems? Sure. Am I ready to just give up my life and go move on the compound? No. But at 01:02:05.030 --> 01:02:12.550 the end of the day, like, maybe he got mixed up in heresy, but he saved. And maybe, I don't know 01:02:12.550 --> 01:02:16.370 what's going on with all the marriages and stuff, but I have a lot of people in my church that have 01:02:16.370 --> 01:02:21.460 been divorced remarried and I don't hate them. Now, albeit if anybody doesn't have a legal, 01:02:21.460 --> 01:02:25.490 legitimate marriage, then I would force them to do so if they want to continue being part of my 01:02:25.490 --> 01:02:31.830 church. But again, if this guy's was mixed up but saved and his marriages were legitimate, 01:02:31.830 --> 01:02:38.780 would that not potentially change your viewpoint on Dr. Hoeven? If he's mixed up but saved? Yes. 01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:42.290 Well, then he wouldn't be a false prophet, so I would have to treat him differently. 01:02:42.290 --> 01:02:47.600 So yeah, it would change my perspective if there's irrefutable proof or that we can, 01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:50.130 we know for sure that this guy is saved. He's a brother of Christ. But right now, 01:02:50.130 --> 01:02:55.940 you don't believe that at all. No. Okay. So again, and that's fine. Like I think that it's good that 01:02:55.940 --> 01:03:01.490 we have people that have differing viewpoints, different worldviews. You know, my goal is to 01:03:01.490 --> 01:03:06.590 try and reach out to people. I mean, think about this. Saul, or at least the apostle Paul and 01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:13.660 Barnabas disagreed on John Mark specifically. And, you know, Barnabas was kind of the son of 01:03:13.660 --> 01:03:18.880 consolation. He saw the better in John. And then John Mark kind of gets redeemed in the latter end, 01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:25.320 right? And I think that sometimes we could be trying too hard to be that. And we reach out 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:32.700 to bad people and get burned. And sometimes we maybe burn somebody that, you know, we thought 01:03:32.700 --> 01:03:36.500 all the facts were clear enough and it just turns out maybe they were mixed up. Because it's 01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:40.220 frustrating how confusing things are. And I could see how somebody looking at individuals in the 01:03:40.220 --> 01:03:43.740 Galatians church running into them individually would think like these people aren't saved, 01:03:43.740 --> 01:03:47.960 they're a reverberate or something. But the Apostle Paul is kind of like, I'm not sure 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:53.380 where to put, what category to put you guys in. I'm afraid of you. But if you've been circumcised, 01:03:53.380 --> 01:04:00.240 you're doomed, you're damned. So, again, it's frustrating. But I would say this, 01:04:00.240 --> 01:04:04.700 I've seen a lot of videos of Dr. Hovind, especially even recently, expounding salvation, 01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:09.410 and everything was exactly what I would say. So I'm just thinking, if this guy is really unsaved, 01:04:09.410 --> 01:04:18.390 that's some level of confusion. Well, the thing is too, though, that the podcast wasn't about 01:04:19.190 --> 01:04:27.390 whether or not Hovind is saved. It certainly was. It didn't cover any of his, you could say, 01:04:27.390 --> 01:04:34.060 controversies or just the marriage issue and some of the other stuff. That wasn't the point. 01:04:34.060 --> 01:04:39.140 The point was he has a particular view on creation. Pastor Anderson has a different 01:04:39.140 --> 01:04:43.450 angle on that. Let's bring them both on and talk about it. And perhaps where 01:04:43.450 --> 01:04:49.220 maybe we could have improved on is highlighting more forcefully that there's going to be 01:04:49.220 --> 01:04:53.990 disagreement on the show. Perhaps we could have done a little bit more of that at the top 01:04:53.990 --> 01:04:58.450 at the beginning just to prepare the audience so it didn't seem like it came out of nowhere 01:04:58.450 --> 01:05:03.620 and maybe providing a little more context there. But you know at the same time it was the first 01:05:03.620 --> 01:05:10.530 time that I believe that we've ever had two guests on with the history that Hovind 01:05:10.530 --> 01:05:14.730 and Pastor Anderson have. I think this was confusing. They used to be friends at some 01:05:14.730 --> 01:05:20.990 point are friendly and now they're not. It's like it wouldn't matter if Dr. Hovind to me 01:05:20.990 --> 01:05:27.920 was a Presbyterian, a Catholic, a Mormon, or an atheist. The reason why he was being on the show 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:34.860 is because he has a big audience. He has a big reach within this particular viewpoint for this 01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:40.890 particular discussion and he's impacting a lot of people. So the reason why he's brought on the show 01:05:40.890 --> 01:05:48.370 is because of his viewpoint and him being a major leader in this particular arena, regardless of if 01:05:48.370 --> 01:05:51.930 I think he's... People are like, "Oh, why would you be nice to somebody that's a heritage?" It's like, 01:05:51.930 --> 01:05:57.990 look, I would bring any of those people, I would bring an unsaved guy on the show and let him 01:05:57.990 --> 01:06:02.440 expound his particular viewpoint because we're really trying to just get to the heart of the 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:06.970 issue. What are the best creation science arguments? If this guy is a Catholic Mormon, 01:06:06.970 --> 01:06:12.700 Jehovah's Witness, whatever, it doesn't matter to me. The point was specifically to really 01:06:12.700 --> 01:06:20.910 talk about the issues. What are the best arguments for them? Where do we align ourselves? 01:06:20.910 --> 01:06:25.250 And just to get people talking again. Here's a name that I'll bring up. He was on season two 01:06:25.250 --> 01:06:33.530 of The Baptist Bias, Jeff Riddle. This guy's a Calvinist, right? I don't know. I haven't 01:06:33.530 --> 01:06:38.680 really looked into his views on salvation. I can't sit here and be positive that he believes right 01:06:38.680 --> 01:06:45.860 on the gospel necessarily, but we brought him on because of his expertise regarding the area 01:06:45.860 --> 01:06:52.370 of the received text and what he would say, the way he describes it, confessional bibliology, 01:06:52.370 --> 01:06:57.560 which is in my mind basically King James-onlyism. But we brought him on to talk about that, 01:06:57.560 --> 01:07:02.750 and here's the thing. There's going to be guys that we bring on who are for sure bad, potentially, 01:07:02.750 --> 01:07:08.470 for the purpose of having a discussion and an argument, if you want to call it that, 01:07:08.950 --> 01:07:14.670 about a particular issue. You plan on having that on the King James-only issue in the future. 01:07:14.670 --> 01:07:19.120 I mean, I invited somebody that I think is a really bad person. I don't like it all, 01:07:19.120 --> 01:07:23.890 that I think should probably not even unsafe to have a discussion, have a literal debate on the 01:07:23.890 --> 01:07:30.090 show on the King James issue, and they refused. Now, I like podcasts where we bring our friends 01:07:30.090 --> 01:07:34.520 on and we're all in agreement. I'm not down on those shows. I think those are great, but I think, 01:07:34.520 --> 01:07:38.540 you know what else is pretty cool, too, though? When there is disagreement, when there is some 01:07:38.540 --> 01:07:45.560 conflict where you can see competing worldviews, if you want to call it, that are competing ideas 01:07:45.560 --> 01:07:53.330 being hashed out in real time for the purpose of determining which one is better. And you know 01:07:53.330 --> 01:07:58.950 what? The best idea will win. I agree with that. I think when you really put the ideas next to each 01:07:58.950 --> 01:08:03.710 other, you kind of see which one makes ad hominem attacks and which one is talking about facts and 01:08:03.710 --> 01:08:09.960 stats and the Bible and really expounding their view. So you know again, I'm glad we did the show. 01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:14.070 Me too. I thought it was great. It got a lot of people talking. It's exactly what I wanted. 01:08:14.070 --> 01:08:19.580 It turned out it was spicy. I mean obviously I didn't want YouTube to nuke us, but of course 01:08:19.580 --> 01:08:24.730 that was inevitable. If it wasn't this show, it was the next show or whatever. I mean you know, 01:08:24.730 --> 01:08:29.910 again, you can't predict the future. It wouldn't happen anyway. These things may not even be 01:08:29.910 --> 01:08:34.610 entirely related because I had suspicion that our channel might get deleted for a completely 01:08:34.610 --> 01:08:39.940 different reason. So I, you know, some people are like, "Oh, this is the judgment of God." 01:08:39.940 --> 01:08:45.260 Or it's like, it's so stupid. You know, those people are just trolls. All they can do. It's 01:08:45.260 --> 01:08:50.030 so funny to me. It's like these people couldn't get banned if they wanted. And then they get mad 01:08:50.030 --> 01:08:53.610 at us for being banned. It's because they're stalkers. It's because they're losers who have 01:08:53.610 --> 01:08:59.650 nothing going on in their life. So they monitor every single thing we do obsessively because they 01:08:59.650 --> 01:09:05.740 have nothing better to do. Go out, go outside, get a hobby, collect stamps, do something with your life. 01:09:05.740 --> 01:09:10.810 Now, I will be honest with my audience, okay? You are the reason why we're doing this show. 01:09:10.810 --> 01:09:16.840 And the reason why I do the show is to reach new people. And, you know, Rumble, it's a great 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:22.050 platform. I'm not down on it. But a little bit, it's kind of a black hole. To me, I kind of view 01:09:22.050 --> 01:09:27.200 it as like a live streaming only. Like that's where it really shines. But in other aspects, 01:09:27.200 --> 01:09:33.940 it's not as good as other platforms. And so what I need is I need our audience to take clips, 01:09:33.940 --> 01:09:38.720 take parts of the show that they liked, and make little snippets and put them out there. 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:44.520 Advertise the Baptist bias for us. That's how we can reach new people. I can't really do so much 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:50.250 because I'm so limited in what social media will allow me to do. I mean, I can't buy advertising. 01:09:52.540 --> 01:09:57.560 I get shut down on billboards. I get shut down everything on Facebook, everything on YouTube. 01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:03.620 I've lost my Instagram, Twitters, virtually everything. Now, I have been trying to recreate 01:10:03.620 --> 01:10:07.640 some of these accounts. I've recreated an account on Twitter, but again, I'm ghost-banded instantly. 01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:16.080 You know, I've created an Instagram, but I'm sure that that'll be deleted pretty soon. So, 01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:20.820 you know, if I ever get popular, it'll go away. But again, follow us @bandpastor. I'm trying to 01:10:20.820 --> 01:10:26.040 stream the show out there. Try sharing, you know, the Rumble link. And then, of course, 01:10:26.040 --> 01:10:32.150 you know, we're going to try and get GodResource up and going a lot better where we have counts 01:10:32.150 --> 01:10:37.170 and people can log in, people can chat. Features coming. And, you know, we're just kind of holding 01:10:37.170 --> 01:10:41.790 onto Rumble while we have it. We never know even, I mean, the government could shut it down tomorrow 01:10:41.790 --> 01:10:48.320 because they hate the fact that I'm still allowed to talk. They're mad that people like us get to 01:10:48.320 --> 01:10:51.340 talk. They hate the Baptist bias and they're literally trying to shut down. I know our 01:10:51.340 --> 01:10:57.630 Benalog is funny, but it's true. Right. It's real. And often there's a lot of satire in there and 01:10:57.630 --> 01:11:04.840 I'm being sarcastic, but it is a reflection of the ideology we're combating. And one thing I want to 01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:09.710 say, Pastor Shelley, is every single time they silence you, every single time you're banned off 01:11:09.710 --> 01:11:15.040 of a different platform and they remove your ability to speak, it's an admission that they 01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:21.100 can't refute what you have to say. Of course. And the reason why we were banned from YouTube is 01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:28.920 because the establishment, the Jews, whatever you want to call them, they cannot debunk our ideas. 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:33.730 They cannot refute our worldview. The only option they have is to silence and deplatform us, 01:11:33.730 --> 01:11:40.120 but don't let them. And this is one thing I want to say to the audience. Don't let them win. They 01:11:40.120 --> 01:11:46.820 can try and silence us, but they can also fail at silencing us, and it all depends on your response 01:11:46.820 --> 01:11:52.480 to it. So if you take our podcast, you download it, and you re-upload it to YouTube by chopping it up 01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:58.370 into little segments, sharing clips of our show on YouTube, sharing clips of our show on Facebook, 01:11:58.370 --> 01:12:03.240 then what happens is when people search for The Baptist Bias, they'll see the clip that you 01:12:03.240 --> 01:12:08.730 uploaded, and they'll know exactly where to find us on Rumble. Yeah, and again, you know, we have 01:12:08.730 --> 01:12:16.570 an email group. Sign up, email us at stepfastbaptistkjv@gmail.com, get your friends to sign up on our email 01:12:16.570 --> 01:12:22.770 list, and we're going to keep this thing going. For this season, we have a great show on Tuesday. 01:12:22.770 --> 01:12:28.800 We have Cassidy Campbell in studio. We have Alex Rosen, who's really big. He actually has a pretty 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:35.100 big platform. Predator Catcher, which I don't even know if the guy's saved. I would love to either 01:12:35.100 --> 01:12:39.620 get him saved or share the gospel with him. Talk about the reprobate doctrine with him. 01:12:39.620 --> 01:12:46.670 Even if he's not, here's a guy doing a lot of great stuff. I hope that our audience can try 01:12:46.670 --> 01:12:53.260 their best to give people the benefit of the doubt as much as you can. Again, if you have strong 01:12:53.260 --> 01:12:57.150 opinions about someone, I'm not against you. Please share them. I'm not trying to silence 01:12:57.150 --> 01:13:04.590 anybody on anything, but I think it's best if we can try to give people as much grace as we can 01:13:04.590 --> 01:13:11.120 and try to win people over with charity and grace. And again, the goal of this show is to reach 01:13:11.120 --> 01:13:18.190 new people, to really talk about current events, bring in new guests. Obviously, when we keep 01:13:18.190 --> 01:13:22.160 getting silenced and lose all of our subscribers and stuff, it's harder to get guests because 01:13:22.160 --> 01:13:25.660 we've had opportunity to get some big guests and they just say like, "Yeah, you guys don't seem 01:13:25.660 --> 01:13:31.350 big enough for us right now." And so, that's where you guys come in. If you can make us big, 01:13:31.350 --> 01:13:35.000 if you can help share and get a lot of people on here and we can get a big rumble channel, 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:39.990 then we probably could get some of the cooler guests, some more interesting conversations. 01:13:39.990 --> 01:13:40.960 Like Trump. 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:48.020 Yeah. We're really close. I think we just need like five more subs and then Donald Trump will 01:13:48.020 --> 01:13:54.080 definitely be coming on the show. But is that who you want the most? 01:13:54.080 --> 01:13:58.780 Well, you talk about Hovind. I have a soft spot for Donald Trump. I'll just admit it right now. 01:13:58.780 --> 01:14:00.360 Some people would say he's a rubber bait. 01:14:00.360 --> 01:14:01.720 I don't agree with that at all. 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:03.120 What about Tucker Carlson? 01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:04.480 About him being rubber bait? 01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:05.630 Would you want him to be on the show? 01:14:05.630 --> 01:14:06.990 Oh, of course. 01:14:06.990 --> 01:14:10.370 He seems like, to me, he'd be like one of the coolest people to have on the show. 01:14:10.370 --> 01:14:12.880 Yeah, I'd love to have Tucker Carlson on. That'd be awesome. 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:18.270 Yeah, obviously these things will probably not happen, but, you know, ever. 01:14:18.270 --> 01:14:21.520 Hey, you know, a man can dream, right? 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.850 Yeah, yeah, of course. 01:14:23.850 --> 01:14:29.590 But at the end of the day, you know, you guys are why we have the show. Thanks for tuning in. 01:14:29.590 --> 01:14:34.310 I mean, we didn't even give you any notice and we got 170 plus people in our live stream 01:14:34.310 --> 01:14:36.110 and on Rumble, an alternative platform. 01:14:36.110 --> 01:14:38.220 But you know what? I hate YouTube. 01:14:38.220 --> 01:14:43.240 I don't know if you could tell from the sign or not, but we have a sign, ladies and gentlemen. 01:14:43.240 --> 01:14:46.660 I hate YouTube. I never even I didn't even make this. 01:14:46.660 --> 01:14:47.770 Who is running it? 01:14:47.770 --> 01:14:49.510 Just man is it a Jew? 01:14:49.510 --> 01:14:51.000 Susan, Jews, something. 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.340 Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews. 01:14:54.340 --> 01:14:56.520 It's always the Jews, man, every single time. 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:57.460 Did she quit? 01:14:57.460 --> 01:14:58.530 I don't know. 01:14:58.530 --> 01:15:00.410 I need to look these things up before I go on here. 01:15:00.410 --> 01:15:02.690 Maybe she's busy digging tunnels or something. 01:15:02.690 --> 01:15:03.560 It could be. 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:04.940 It could be. 01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:05.910 Well, at least this. 01:15:05.910 --> 01:15:10.910 With no YouTube, the show is going to be as spicy as it could possibly be. 01:15:10.910 --> 01:15:11.690 Say what we want. 01:15:11.690 --> 01:15:14.890 I'm not even thinking about censoring myself. 01:15:14.890 --> 01:15:16.230 I hate faggots. 01:15:16.230 --> 01:15:20.980 I hate all Jews and fags and YouTube, which is basically the same group of people. 01:15:20.980 --> 01:15:22.510 Pretty much. 01:15:22.510 --> 01:15:27.060 There's somebody that's working for YouTube that's got to be a sodomite 01:15:27.060 --> 01:15:31.330 that just like watches all of our stuff and they're just like, "Arrrgh! Arrrgh!" 01:15:31.330 --> 01:15:32.980 And they just have the angriest job. 01:15:32.980 --> 01:15:36.130 I mean, how many channels have they deleted, do you think, YouTube? 01:15:36.130 --> 01:15:38.280 Oh, I don't know. Dozens and dozens of millions. 01:15:38.280 --> 01:15:39.870 You look at Faithful Word Baptist Church, 01:15:39.870 --> 01:15:42.580 they have to get a new channel like every hour or something. 01:15:42.580 --> 01:15:46.480 YouTube might have had to delete a million just Faithful Word Baptist Church channels. 01:15:46.480 --> 01:15:48.630 And you look at some of the verbiage that's not allowed. 01:15:48.630 --> 01:15:51.810 It's like, "You can't say this group of people are dogs." 01:15:51.810 --> 01:15:55.960 Or, "You can't say this group of people have, you know, 01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:01.820 or you're happy that they got murdered or something like that or killed or whatever." 01:16:01.820 --> 01:16:04.060 Like, you can't be happy about a particular event or whatever. 01:16:04.060 --> 01:16:07.290 It's like clearly new IFB talking points. 01:16:07.290 --> 01:16:10.280 All right. Well, we've talked a long time. 01:16:10.280 --> 01:16:12.160 I really enjoy this recap. 01:16:12.160 --> 01:16:14.790 I want to comment on a few other things. 01:16:14.790 --> 01:16:19.620 Someone put in the comments, "Are you going to the Stronghold Baptist camping trip?" 01:16:19.620 --> 01:16:23.960 Unfortunately, I can't make it this year just because I've had to get another job 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:25.690 and it's taking up a lot of my time. 01:16:25.690 --> 01:16:32.450 But I am going to be going out to Chicago May 24th and 25th and we're going to have 01:16:32.450 --> 01:16:33.730 a soul-wanting event. 01:16:33.730 --> 01:16:35.080 I'm going to be preaching that Friday night. 01:16:35.080 --> 01:16:37.140 It's going to be at First Baptist Church. 01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:42.150 Hammond in the end is allowing us to use some of their facility, so we want to pack this 01:16:42.150 --> 01:16:43.140 place out. 01:16:43.140 --> 01:16:45.860 Show up to the Chicago event May 24th, 25th. 01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:47.510 Pastor Thomas is going to be preaching. 01:16:47.510 --> 01:16:51.050 I'm going to be preaching, soul-wanting on Friday, soul-wanting on Saturday. 01:16:51.050 --> 01:16:54.360 Their whole church plan is trying to have the service over there and traveling over 01:16:54.360 --> 01:16:55.900 there. 01:16:55.900 --> 01:17:00.850 Also, we have the Daniel series is going to be coming out pretty soon as soon as we're 01:17:00.850 --> 01:17:03.340 done with the Baptist Bias Season 3. 01:17:03.340 --> 01:17:07.650 We're going to be putting it though on their other channel, the Steadfast Baptist Church 01:17:07.650 --> 01:17:08.630 channel. 01:17:08.630 --> 01:17:13.610 We're going to have our Daniel series and so really there's a lot of stuff coming up. 01:17:13.610 --> 01:17:16.090 You want to check out next Tuesday, 8pm. 01:17:16.090 --> 01:17:21.020 You want to make sure you're following our Steadfast Rumble channel for the Daniel series. 01:17:21.020 --> 01:17:23.980 You want to join us for all kinds of different soul-wanting events. 01:17:23.980 --> 01:17:26.150 Steadfast Baptist Church is even having a soul-wanting event. 01:17:26.150 --> 01:17:31.080 I want to make sure I get the date right in Shreveport, Louisiana. 01:17:31.080 --> 01:17:33.010 It's coming up pretty soon. 01:17:33.010 --> 01:17:39.390 It's going to be, let's see, April 13th, April 13th. 01:17:39.390 --> 01:17:42.950 April 30th we're having a soul-wanting marathon here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. 01:17:42.950 --> 01:17:47.070 April 13th we're having a Shreveport, Louisiana soul-wanting marathon. 01:17:47.070 --> 01:17:52.900 So we got the Chicago event in May, and then we have all kinds of other soul-wanting events. 01:17:52.900 --> 01:17:55.760 Of course, we love the Baptist bias. 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.290 You want to check it out, but it's more important to get into church. 01:17:58.290 --> 01:18:02.480 Make sure you're getting plugged in, doing soul-wanting. 01:18:02.480 --> 01:18:03.460 Share the show. 01:18:03.460 --> 01:18:04.450 Clip it up. 01:18:04.450 --> 01:18:05.730 Share it everywhere. 01:18:05.730 --> 01:18:07.340 Make funny clips out of it. 01:18:07.340 --> 01:18:09.290 Share the memes. 01:18:09.290 --> 01:18:11.220 I really appreciate my wife making memes for me. 01:18:11.220 --> 01:18:13.160 They were some of the best memes that I've ever seen. 01:18:13.160 --> 01:18:14.540 She's pretty good with the memes. 01:18:14.540 --> 01:18:15.530 Yeah. 01:18:15.530 --> 01:18:16.520 She's pretty spicy. 01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:17.570 Yeah. 01:18:17.570 --> 01:18:22.540 I don't really want to have women on the show necessarily, but if I did, she would 01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:23.530 be pretty spicy. 01:18:23.530 --> 01:18:24.520 I think so. 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:28.400 Well, that's pretty much all I have as far as plugs. 01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:30.090 Did you have any other plugs real quick before we go? 01:18:30.090 --> 01:18:31.070 No. 01:18:31.070 --> 01:18:37.290 I would just say make sure you follow our rumble page, and at the end of the day, don't 01:18:37.290 --> 01:18:39.620 let the Jews win. 01:18:39.620 --> 01:18:41.260 Make sure you share our content. 01:18:41.260 --> 01:18:43.230 Make sure you clip it up. 01:18:43.230 --> 01:18:44.220 Put it on YouTube. 01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:45.220 Put it on Facebook. 01:18:45.220 --> 01:18:46.210 Put it on Twitter. 01:18:46.210 --> 01:18:50.700 Put it everywhere you possibly can, and let's draw people over to The Baptist Bites. 01:18:50.700 --> 01:18:55.890 Let the Jew win, share the truth, and make sure you have The Baptist Bias. 01:18:55.890 --> 01:18:57.730 That's going to do it for us today. 01:18:57.730 --> 01:18:58.730 Thanks for tuning in. 01:18:58.730 --> 01:19:00.210 I'm going to make some follow-up videos. 01:19:00.210 --> 01:19:01.150 God bless.