- An extremely--
- I'm here to warn--
- Hey everybody, thanks for joining us on The Baptist Bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley.
Really excited for a special pre-show
that we're gonna have this evening.
We've got some special guests
that are gonna be trying to join us this evening.
And of course, we're gonna stop right on the hour
because we are premiering a new film, a new documentary,
at eight p.m. Central Time.
It's not gonna be here on YouTube
or The Baptist Bias Rumble.
It's gonna actually be on a separate rumble channel.
It's gonna be on the Steadfast Baptist Rumble channels.
You wanna make sure and go out there and subscribe
and follow so that you can check out the film this evening.
But before we get too far into our discussion,
we're gonna jump off with our Benologue.
- I'm here to warn you
about an extremely evil terrorist organization.
These people go canvassing through neighborhoods,
giving away free information.
They claim that their efforts aren't soliciting
since they don't actually sell anything,
and by strict definition, they're not soliciting.
But that doesn't change the fact
that what they're doing is dangerous.
They even have pregnant ladies
dressed in conservative apparel
outdoing their bidding, the horror.
These individuals profess that they have the truth
and wish to hold private meetings in peace.
However, it's not right for people
to peacefully believe whatever they want.
They should face an angry mob
if they're not willing to accept my truth.
It's insufferable to know that groups exist
which don't affirm every talking point
of the mainstream media.
It's not like all the news companies are owned
by a small group of leftist Jews
aimed at destroying all other opposition.
We should trust the science, government,
doctors, and experts.
They love you and want what's best for you.
Those who oppose these institutions
are a threat to our democracy
and they should be hated by all.
I'm here to warn them that they'll be terrorized
for their actions because we will not tolerate
any terror or hate in our community.
You better never agree with these fascist radicals
or else we'll consider you to also have the Baptist bias.
- Hey everybody, thanks for joining us on the Baptist bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley.
I'm here with my guest host, Ben the Baptist.
Ben, why don't you say hi to everybody this evening?
- How's it going, everyone?
It's a big live stream tonight.
We're setting the stage for the documentary,
"LGBT Terrorists."
And right off the bat, I wanna say thank you
to everyone who helped contribute to this film.
It was a team effort.
Pastor Shelley put in tons of work on this,
Brother Dylan Oz, Brother Rich Caputo,
and Pastor Bruce Mejia as well.
Definitely a team effort.
I also wanna thank our enemies.
I know they're watching, they always are.
I wanna thank the stalkers.
I wanna thank those who harassed our church
and have been doing so for years
because by acting like subhuman scum and deviants,
you gave us plenty of content that we used for this film
and I can't wait for you to see it.
- Well, of course, without our terrorists,
we don't really have much of a film.
And so of course we have to thank all of the terrorists
out there for doing terroristic type activity
because without that, you wouldn't really have much
of a terrorist film, would you?
- Absolutely not.
If you didn't have sewer rats,
you wouldn't have a film designed to expose them.
And so really, I do thank you.
I appreciate the fact that you behave like degenerate scum
because in doing so, you give us plenty of content
and you gave us plenty of content
over the last several years to use for this documentary
that peels back the mask
and shows the world exactly what you are, animals.
- And, you know, of course, I like animals,
but I don't really like terrorists that much, you know?
- And you shouldn't.
- Well, of course, this evening, you can check out our film.
It's going to be airing on Rumble exclusively.
It's gonna be on our Steadfast Baptist channel,
so you wanna make sure and head over there,
follow and subscribe.
It should be releasing at eight o'clock central time.
That's what we have scheduled
and set into the Rumble browser.
Now, here's the thing, I'm not sure exactly
if it's gonna be like 8/8/01 or something like that,
so just get over there and it'll pop up.
If it doesn't pop up, we'll make sure it gets out there.
You're not going anywhere, but that's where you wanna go.
And we're gonna keep the stream going the whole time.
And we'll wait and we'll make sure
that the film is going and that it's live
before we end up switching off the livestream video.
But we're gonna be putting up just kind of a reminder
of where to go to check out the film.
And we're gonna leave the streaming for the entire film
and then some just so people have an opportunity to chat
and kind of talk about the film as they're watching it.
It's kind of fun 'cause we're watching as a group, right?
And YouTube has a cool premiere feature.
Rumble, I don't think has that yet.
So this is just kind of our way of doing a premiere
and you can be in the chat and you can still kind of
get that feeling of watching it together.
Now a lot of people have actually gotten
to see the film already.
We had a special airing at the Red Hot Preaching Conference
and we also had one at our church,
just for some of our church members.
Not even all of our children have seen it yet,
but I know one of our guests that we're gonna have
on this evening has already seen it,
Pastor Bruce Mejia from First Works Baptist Church.
And of course, without him,
the film just would have sucked.
He basically took it to the next level
and helped us make an intro and boy was this thing lit.
I mean, what do you think about the intro, Ben?
- Well, I thought the intro was awesome.
It was action packed.
The production values were great.
The soundtrack was epic.
And it showed you in a very small amount of time
just how violent these people are.
The fact that they do terrorize people.
It's encapsulated in that intro,
which shows you the destruction left behind
in the wake of these LGBT terrorists, these reprobates.
The Bible describes them as such in Romans chapter one.
But I think what Pastor Maheal was able to do for us
is provide an intro that immediately grabs your attention
and makes you think, all right,
this is gonna be a heck of a documentary.
This is exciting stuff here.
And it grabs the attention of the viewer right off the bat.
So that's what I like the most about it.
- Well, and one thing that he did is he motivated me
to make the film better because I, you know,
I didn't necessarily know how much effort and energy
we were gonna put into this project.
But after seeing his intro, I was just like,
oh man, we gotta work a lot harder on this film,
otherwise it's gonna be so mismatched.
And even yet, I mean, I feel like the intro's definitely
one of the highlights from a production value
of the film.
The rest of the film's not necessarily
as high of a production value,
but it does have a lot of good content
and I'm really excited to share our story
in kind of a creative new way.
We have a lot of people in the chat this evening.
We already got 120 plus people in the YouTube chat.
We've got 125 in the Rumble chat.
So we've got a lot of people here.
We got some shout outs to some different people.
We got Corey Grooms in the house, Kevin Doty,
Tony the Baptist.
Uh oh, are y'all related?
- No, but I don't have exclusive rights
to the Baptist as a name, so it's okay.
Other people can use it too.
John did at one point.
Maybe he's your spiritual brother, you know, right?
We've got No Filter, Baptist, we've got a lot of Baptists.
- Nathaniel is in there.
- You know, the Baptists represent the Baptist Bibles.
- Amen.
- If you got a question or you got something
you wanna say to us, put it in the chat this evening.
I don't know if we'll get it to every single question
or every single comment,
but we got a lot of people pretty excited about the film.
And you know, I'm excited to release this thing,
especially for those who've been following our story,
St. Vast Baptist Church.
You know, it's just, it's really just an honor
to be able to serve with so many people
that are willing to be faithful.
And I said this to our church family,
and I still mean it,
but if we didn't have the church we do,
we wouldn't have the story to tell.
- That's right.
- We need the people that the moms and the dads
and the children that are willing
to show up to church and go through persecution,
being willing to travel around the city with us
and go through a lot of harassment, a lot of threats.
And of course, we're not alone.
There's a lot of people that are in other cities
and some of our friends who also support us
and they too also have gone through persecution.
One of those is Pastor Mejia
and we're trying to get him in on the show this evening.
I'm not sure if he's ready to join with us or not,
but if he is, let's bring him in.
Hey, Pastor Mejia, how's it going?
- Good, Pastor Shelley, how you guys doing?
Can you see me?
Can you hear me?
- I can hear you.
- Yeah.
- Can you hear him, Pastor Shelley?
- My stupid headphones are not working very well,
but I caught a little bit of that.
- I can hear Pastor Mejia.
If you'd like--
- I can hear both of you guys,
and I can see you guys.
- I can tell you what he said.
We can do an interesting--
- Yeah, I'll get some new headphones.
- We can do an interesting, like I'll interpret for you
because you don't speak. - These ones suck.
- You know, Pastor Mejia ease.
But Pastor Mejia, tell us a little about
your initial reactions to the film.
You got to see a version of it
at the Red Hot Preaching Conference.
What was your reaction?
- I loved the movie.
I thought it was great.
Well, I'm hearing all these voices right now,
I don't know if it is or what.
- Just ignore it, go ahead.
- All right.
No, I thought the movie was great.
I mean, honestly, it exceeded my expectations.
You know, sometimes I think to myself like,
what more can be said?
But it was such a great angle.
The film just highlighted one aspect,
I guess, of the sodomites,
which is essentially that they're terrorists,
and all of our churches, to a certain extent,
have experienced that.
And so I think, you know, you guys did a fantastic job.
I love each of the sections,
especially the third section was probably my favorite.
- Yes, the people at Red House loved that.
- It's how you brought it all in.
I don't wanna mess it up for anybody who hasn't watched it,
but they kind of bring everything in, you know,
and explain who's really behind the terrorist.
And so I thought it was a great film.
I don't know if I would call it a mini-documentary,
but it was a great documentary.
I'm being facetious here, obviously.
- Yeah, well, it's a two-hour film.
We just wanted to lower the expectations, okay?
- Honestly, but it's two hours well worth of your time
to watch it because it's such a great film,
and you're gonna learn something new.
'Cause sometimes you think, you know,
you're in the new IP,
you know everything you need to know about sodomites
and the Reparate Doctrine and what the Bible says about it,
but you will learn something new through this film.
And so I think you guys did a great job.
- Thank you.
Hey, what'd you get us for dinner, Pastor Anderson?
- It's Chipotle, man.
(all laughing)
- Can't go wrong with Chipotle.
- Do you get the burrito
or do you get the quesadilla or the salad?
What are we working with?
- Yeah, it's a burrito.
- Oh, okay.
I kinda like the quesadilla. - Barbecue or burrito.
- Barbecue is pretty good.
Now Pastor Anderson, you got to see the film as well.
What were some of your thoughts
about getting to see the project that we put together?
- Yeah, I really liked it and I think it does work
as an introduction to someone
who is unfamiliar with the subject
because it seemed like the first half of the film
or maybe the first 45 minutes
kinda laying the foundation of the doctrine,
showing the Bible verses,
kind of explaining just the basics.
And then it really got into the specifics
of all of the just harassment and all the persecution
that Steadfast Baptist Church has been going through.
You know, that all of us have faced to an extent,
but that especially Steadfast Baptist has gone through.
So I kinda liked that.
It kinda started out broad
and then kinda narrowed in on Steadfast.
So yeah, I thought it was excellent.
I really enjoyed it.
And it's definitely not a mini-documentary.
It's a mini-documentary.
I guess your sermons are mini-sermons, the sermons.
(laughing)
- Yeah, I guess what I meant by that
was that we didn't put as much effort into it,
not necessarily the length of the film.
- Yeah, lower expectations. - It's false advertising.
- You're just trying to lower the expectations.
- Well, it's a mini-documentary
with a couple extra bonus sections.
How about that?
So there you go.
Part one was the documentary
and the other parts were just bonus.
- So one thing I wanted to bring up is
this is a subject that has been preached about a lot,
obviously, and it's been covered extensively
through sermons.
We even produced a documentary in the past
on this very subject, the sodomite deception.
But I feel like, and I don't know,
I wanna get your guys' thoughts on this,
that this film kind of tackled it maybe
from a different angle or a fresh angle
because it specifically hones in on,
first of all, the persecution
that Stetfast Baptist Church went through,
and we get an opportunity to tell our story
and highlight some of our enemies, the stalkers,
who, like I said, at the top of the program
are probably watching right now
'cause they have no lives.
But my point is, it seemed like a fresh take on this.
Do you guys agree with that?
What are your thoughts on it from that perspective
in the sense of, hey, this was a new angle?
Pastor Mahia, if you wanna start.
- Yeah, like I said in the beginning,
I really like the film because of that specific angle
that it highlights the sodomites as being terrorists.
And I think the reason the film is very powerful
is because of the fact that the story is told
from a firsthand account.
So these are actual churches, pastors, and church members
who have actually lived through that type of persecution.
So in a sense, they have room to talk.
And so this is not just us preaching the word of God,
which obviously that's testimony enough,
but we're making real life application,
modern day application of how violent these people are
in 2023.
So I thought that's a powerful aspect of the film
is how real it is to the churches that are existing today.
Yeah, and I mean, you know, I think that for a lot of people,
they read the Bible and they hear these stories
and it kind of sounds like, oh, that was a long time ago
or that was back then, or this is just a one-off scenario.
But I think what's kind of interesting
is to try and show how the same events that
happened in the Bible still happen today,
that the Bible is a living document.
And just like they were violent and terroristic in the Bible,
they also are doing the same thing at Pastor Mejia's church.
They're surrounding the door.
They're playing sirens.
And then they got to such an extremity
that they literally bombed Pastor Mejia's building,
which from at least just a property perspective,
that's pretty much the epitome of violence and damage
that could be done.
Thank God or praise the Lord that no one is actually injured.
And of course, that's really where they would like to go
or where they would be headed if no one would stop them.
But I think that it's helpful for people
to see real life examples to increase
their faith a little bit.
Obviously the Bible, you should just be able to believe it.
But you have people like Thomas who just wasn't willing
to believe it until he could just see the holes
in Jesus' hand.
And I think our effort with a film like this
is just to bring the physical reality
right in front of people and say, look,
you should have just believed it already,
but here's even more evidence and further confirmation
that everything the Bible says is true.
And I think that you don't wanna necessarily
have to force people to get to that level of understanding.
You wish they would just believe the Bible stories,
but we got to condescend the men of low estate.
And I know for you, Pastor Anderson,
I mean, you've been preaching on this topic for a long time
and you've made a lot of headlines.
A lot of people were thinking you're very fanatical,
but it seems like through the years,
a lot more people have started to realize like,
hey, maybe that guy standing on his pulpit screaming
is actually right.
Have you felt like you've seen a change
in kind of just the culture or maybe just people
that you've known kind of evolve on this issue
or kind of see your side of things
after kind of being exposed to some of the persecution
we've seen?
- Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I started preaching on this back in 2006.
I did a sermon, I think it was like July of 2006
called Sodomite Reprobates.
And I've preached a whole bunch of sermons since then.
And those sermons were considered so radical
or over the top.
But nowadays people are starting to see that,
yeah, that's actually true, you know?
And Pastor Anderson's right.
And obviously people were saying it long before I was born
and they'll be saying it long after I'm gone.
None of the preaching that I do about sodomites
is original to me anyway.
I mean, you can go back and read that Romans 1
sermon by John Chris's stone from the fourth century AD.
And he literally says everything that I've ever preached
about sodomites.
And the thing is, I think that what's particularly good
about this new film is that it's relatable
because people have been seeing probably
a lot of other news stories about businesses
and individuals being bullied by these LGBT terrorists.
And also, a lot of people, I think,
have probably even experienced it in their own lives
where they've been peer pressured.
So seeing it on the film, I think a lot of people
are gonna relate to it.
But just talking to my kids, 'cause you know,
my kids, they're growing up in this generation.
And I talk to my teenagers and they interact
with other teenagers just out in the world.
Just even, they even interact with unchurched teenagers
and just, you know, like at their jobs or just wherever.
And they have said that, you know,
this new generation Gen Z is a lot less tolerant
toward this filth than the millennial generation
that I'm from.
Like basically that this new generation,
and I even saw some polls,
like I forget what the polling company was,
but I saw some polls showing that Gen Z
was having like a more negative view toward homos.
Because it's just, it's going too far.
It's getting so extreme that eventually,
you know, it's gonna cross a line.
And then all of a sudden Pastor Anderson's preaching,
you know, it doesn't sound so crazy anymore
because the world's getting so weird.
Sorry if my thoughts are a little scattered
'cause I'm on, I'm on heavy metal right now.
(laughing)
- No, and I think Pastor Mejia, you've--
(laughing)
- I got injured if you didn't hear about that.
- Are you doing better or what?
- Yeah, I mean, I'm still really messed up,
but I'm on my way, sorry to just change the subject
and make it about me, but I'm just in a lot of pain,
but it's getting better every day.
I threw out my back just from sitting in the car
for 6,000 miles, I just messed up my back,
and so I'm just trying to get home to Phoenix,
just taking it slow, so I'm out in the middle of nowhere
on I-5 right now.
But anyway, back to the subject at hand.
- Well, I agree with you that we've seen a culture change.
I think Pastor Mejia, you've had some experience with this,
noticing people kind of reacting differently
or seeing people post things online
that kind of surprised you.
You know, what have you seen?
- Yeah, I mean, within the last couple of years,
I kind of wondered where the culture,
as far as the next generation,
how they were gonna respond to sodomites
or what their view was,
because you just hear a lot of negative things
going on in the public schools
and things that are being taught
and how it's being accepted.
But, you know, as of recently,
I've seen a lot of posts on social media
by Gen Zers who, you know,
it's kind of like a cool thing to hate homos now.
You know, they're making it cool.
And a lot of different reels and posts and memes
that are anti-homo.
And it gets a lot of likes, it gets a lot of comments.
And a lot of these Gen Zers,
they're not even Christians, you know?
They're not believers.
Maybe some of them are.
But for the most part, they're just unsaved kids.
And man, they hate it, and they mock it,
they openly stand against it.
And it gives me hope for the next generation, you know?
Gives me hope for the generation
that my son's gonna be raised in.
And so, I think it's great.
And obviously, I do believe, you know,
if the attitude of the next generation
is turning against the sodomite agenda,
I think it has a lot to do with the preaching of God's word,
along with the fact that they're probably sick and tired
of what's being promoted in the schools.
I mean, just a couple of weeks ago, in Huntington Beach,
you know, there is a teacher who was showing
sodomite propaganda in the school,
and a lot of the students, they filmed what was going on,
they were disapproving of it, they were kind of booing it,
and the teacher got really upset,
and then the parents came and they protested
against the school, and then a couple days after that,
there are some houses in Huntington Beach
that had pride flags where they were dropping off
these bags that were anti-Jew and anti-homo stuff.
And so I think the tide is turning a little bit,
and it could be that the next generation
is just growing sick and tired of it,
and the good thing about it, in my opinion,
is that they're making it cool,
and so I think a lot of that influence
is gonna permeate throughout the schools
where it's just like the majority just kinda hate it,
and they wanna go along with those who hate it as well.
- Well, and you know, Pastor Mejia,
you mentioned about how like a lot of these kids
aren't even necessarily saved.
So you don't have to be a saved Christian
to be disgusted by the bizarre filth
that's out there in the media
and that we're seeing even in real life
out in the stores and in the shops,
you see these freaks, these transvestite weirdos.
You don't even, all you have to do
is just be a straight normal male to be disgusted by it.
It's not even a religious belief.
It's just being a normal human.
- Absolutely.
- And I think that's why they have to push the propaganda
so hard is because it's just so against nature.
So everybody's human nature is to be against it.
So they have to work like really hard
to try to overcome that with people.
And then our preaching comes along
and can just easily just take a wrecking ball
to that worldview because we're kind of like
bringing people back to their natural view
that they would have anyway,
that they kind of deep down know is true anyway.
So we're kind of just restoring people to their default mode
whereas the media is trying to take them
to an unnatural position.
And I think that's why our job is easier
so that even if they get exposed to 100 hours of crap on TV,
like we can actually like fix it in a couple hours
if they'll actually listen.
I mean, especially if they have the Holy Spirit
living inside of them now.
- Well, you know--
- This would be enough to fix them, right?
- Yeah, I honestly don't even think
that it's as bad as we perceive.
I kind of personally think that the internet
is propagandizing and trying to trick people
into thinking that a lot of people are on their side.
Because a few years ago, YouTube first kind of started
pushing this tranny stuff on their main page
and their logo was promoting tranny videos.
And that's when YouTube first started actually
restricting the like button in the comment section
because all the comments were negative.
Virtually every comment was negative.
Everybody was hating on these videos.
And so they had to like hide all of that
and get rid of it because it was really clear
that no one liked this.
And what's interesting is I ended up finding
a video that we used in our film,
but it was an interview on CNN by the Ugandan president.
And the Ugandan president had basically just laid out
his beliefs on homosexuality,
which of course Uganda has recently passed
pretty strong legislation against homosexuality,
criminalizing it and everything.
But if you look at this particular video,
which is on CNN's own YouTube channel,
so it's not like a right-wing website,
they have almost 100,000 comments.
And so I just kinda like started scrolling through
and just reading the comments on this YouTube video.
And I would say that only about 1% were actually negative
or pro-LGBT, like 99% of them were agreeing with the video,
agreeing with the president.
I mean, all kinds of comments.
I don't know, we're trying to put some pressure
on our production crew to see if we can pull it up
and read some of these comments here in a minute.
But I mean, I really don't think that the culture
is as extreme as they try to portray it.
I know they put a lot of polls and statistics out there
saying like, oh, 20% are trans or in LGBT
and of the Gen Z or something like that.
And that, you know, like 50% of Americans agree with them.
But I think these are fake polls.
I don't really believe that.
What do you think, Ben?
Do you think this is real?
- I think the biblical phrase,
and I believe there's a phrase like this twice in the Bible
where it's like they that be with us
are more than they that be with them.
Or, you know, something to that effect.
And I believe that there are more people
who believe that the sodomite Romans 1 reprobate
is disgusting and filthy and abominable
than those who don't.
There are more people on our side than we think.
And the reality is, though, the media has done,
I think actually a pretty good job of making people
believe the opposite in the sense that, like,
it just seems that maybe that isn't true
because there's a very loud minority out there
that have the backing of the establishment
that says, no, everyone thinks this is okay.
Everyone is acquiescing to this agenda
when that's actually not the case.
- Yeah, obviously that was talking about angels,
but I like the phrase, and I would say this,
there's definitely a lot more saved people
than we get credit for.
And they'll say like, we're these radical extremists
and no one is like us, but that's not true.
There is a lot of people that are like us,
and specifically on this issue,
even if they're not saved, like Pastor Anderson said,
the Bible says that this is vile.
It's objectively vile,
meaning it'll never be wide-scale accepted.
It's always gonna be considered gross to the vast majority
because it's just objectively gross.
And I think we actually have some of these comments
up here on the screen.
Just the language on some of these.
- Let's see, can we zoom that in just to here?
'Cause I'm having a hard time even reading it a little bit,
but I wanna make sure we can get those nice and big.
Can you kind of zoom that in for us a little bit?
Yeah, there we go, there we go.
Bring it over, there you go, perfect.
So of course, as you got into Presidents talking about
how homosexuality is disgusting,
that's kind of like the context of his particular video.
But look at some of these comments.
And these are like the top comments.
It's, you know, the guy in the President was saying,
"Hey, if we're wrong, we'll find out by ourselves."
He's like, "Why is the Western world of America
"trying to force their views on us?
"Why don't you just leave us alone?"
It says, "This guy is so straightforward.
"I love it."
I absolutely love this guy.
Scroll down a little bit.
There's tons and tons of good comments on this.
I saw one, it said, "I wish this guy was our President."
- I agree with that. - I agree.
You know, at least he has a brain of his own.
- And then notice on these comments
how many likes the comments have.
Like where it said, "This guy is as honest as Frick,"
or whatever, but everybody should respect that.
And then it said 5,000 likes.
- Right.
- Just on that one comment alone, right?
- And one of those likes is Pastor Shelley.
- Well, you know.
- I was gonna say,
we should like some of those comments there.
- Yes, scroll in, zoom in again
so we can read a few more of those.
'Cause these are great comments,
especially there was one,
it uses the word straight like five times in the comment,
it was pretty good.
But my respect for this man.
Of course they're disgusting, laugh emojis.
I mean, you can see that the vast majority of people
are really just on our side, they strongly agree.
And so, you know, I think this is just evidence and proof
of the fact that the vast majority of Americans
probably agree with us, they're just afraid to speak up.
They don't wanna lose their job or get harassed
or things like that.
I know that someone recently even talked to me
about their job and they're getting pressure
to sign agreements saying that they're gonna love
and respect these type of people and stuff like that.
And you know, you see this in the workplace
and big corporations are trying to force this agenda
on individuals.
And for you, Ben, I mean, is this something
that you kind of experienced or seen people or friends
talk about in the workplace, having issues like that?
- Yes.
Unfortunately, sometimes it gets forced on people
who are working in the secular world.
Thankfully, I haven't had that issue yet so far.
It's been great.
But there haven't really like, you know,
obviously there's some people who work
for woke organizations where they're seeing propaganda
and they're kind of being force fed some of this garbage.
But you know, thankfully I haven't had it.
- Well, it's definitely affected Pastor Anderson.
And I know we didn't necessarily highlight this in the film,
but you had a business that you're running
and essentially you were terrorized
into basically shutting down.
What happened?
- Well, back in 2009, I had some sermon clips going viral.
And then I went on the Alan Combs show
and you know, was talking to him about homos.
I don't know if you guys remember Alan Combs.
- Is that CNN?
- He was like a big liberal guy on Fox, I think.
It was like, there was a show
called Hannity and Combs or something.
And like Hannity was the conservative guy
and Combs is the liberal guy.
But anyway, so I was on his radio show
and then it kind of went crazy from there
'cause that was kind of a big show.
And then I lost about two thirds of my business
just within a week.
Like, 'cause I had these big customers
and they ended up just canceling all of our contracts.
I was supposed to do fire alarms in like 14 home depots.
I was supposed to make like a full load of money.
All of those contracts got canceled
and my business was just completely decimated.
So I still had like a little bit of the business left.
So I limped along for a while, I built it up.
And so I kept it going for a few more years after that.
But I mean, literally, I would say 65 to 70% of that,
of my customers were gone,
like within a week of going viral.
Just because the sodomites, they did research on me,
somehow they figured out who my customers were
and they called them and harassed them.
- Well, and of course, you know,
sometimes harassment is not just limited
to business relationships.
I know Pastor Mejia, you've had your share
of various persecution and you went to a Bible college
for a while.
Did you face any kind of opposition
for your views on this topic or your beliefs
regarding this subject?
- You mean while I was in Bible college?
- Yeah.
- No, not really.
I mean, that was during the time when I was still
in an old IFB church.
And so a lot of that time I was just kind of playing
that safe by not really expressing a lot
of what I personally believed only because of the fact
that the pastor was gonna send me out,
he was gonna ordain me.
And so I kind of kept those things to myself,
but I came from a church who at the end of the day,
many of them did hate homos.
And obviously it's transitioned over the last couple
of years to kind of tolerate them.
But even, I mean, back then, you know,
the word fag was used quite a bit,
even in Bible college from the professors and everything.
And so it was kind of normal to kind of like not,
I mean, they used to preach about fag flags
and fag tags and all that.
And so, you know, it's kind of normal
to just make fun of them and realize that, you know,
they weren't necessarily someone who we should be
fellowshipping with or having any connection with.
I will say this is that my father-in-law,
he actually received a lot of persecution
from the homos years ago.
And even to the point where they would,
they knew where he lived and they would go
in front of his house and throw bottles at his door
and break glass in front of his house.
And then in one instance,
they even tried to run over his son.
His son was about 17 or 18 at the time.
And it was during the proposition eight whole ordeal
about homos getting married.
And I remember he was removing things from people's lawns
or something like signs from the lawns.
And this dyke tried to come at him
and she got in her truck and tried to run him over.
And so he did face a little bit of persecution for a while.
And even across the street, there was two sodomites
and they would pretty much continuously harass the church
with phone calls and mail and all that.
And so that was even a thing back then.
But obviously it was the old IP church.
They still believed that they could be saved,
but I don't remember anybody even going out of their way
to try to get them saved.
I think that's just something that they would say
just to kind of play it safe.
But they didn't like them.
And so that was kind of normal back then.
- One question I had, and the thing is our film,
it covers a lot of the persecution that we went through,
that you went through,
that Pastor Anderson has gone through.
And it might lead someone to think, you know what?
I don't know that I have the guts to preach this, right?
And I wanted to get your response to that.
Pastor Shelley, I want to ask you, and if you'd like,
you could pose the question also to Pastor Mejia,
but let's say there's a Baptist pastor out there.
He's got his own church, and he actually believes like us,
but he sees all the persecution that results consequently,
the protests, the harassment, the stalkers,
the death threats, et cetera, and says to themselves,
you know what, I just don't want to preach this.
I'm not ready for the blowback.
How do you respond to that person?
- Well, obviously, you know, as a pastor,
it's not your job to pick and choose what you preach.
You're supposed to just preach the Bible, period.
And so, I think that, obviously,
there's gonna always be pressure.
And it's not even just from that
to preach certain sermons.
I think that most of the pressure
comes from the thought of losing congregant members
or your church shrinking in size
because I think most pastors are concerned about money
or a paycheck or even some churches are kind of organized
to where they could literally be thrown out
by the deacon board or by a committee board.
And so, you know, obviously, even if that did happen,
you know, it'd be better, as Pastor Jimenez said,
to fail trying to preach the word of God
than to not fail not preaching the word of God.
And so I think, you know, you gotta take the words
of Pastor Jimenez's sermon to say, let's try.
You know, I've, you know, seen a lot of my friends
preach the word of God and they have gone
through some persecution, but they're still standing strong.
And, you know, I don't know anybody personally
that's preached, you know, on this subject
and then been like, man, I really wish I hadn't preached that.
You know, even though they've gone through difficulty,
even though they've gone through hard times
of our friends, of the people that I know personally,
you know, they're not regretting that decision.
I think that you'll have a lifetime of regret
not preaching the word of God,
as opposed to whatever persecution or pitfalls
that you may encounter.
And while we may have seen some other people go back
or retract some of their statements, they're not thriving.
You know, those people are now watered down, compromised.
People have less respect for them.
Their churches aren't really making a big move
for the things of God.
And so, you know, why would I just wanna just hide
with Obadiah and refuse to preach the word of God?
I'd rather be Elijah out there on the front lines
preaching the Bible.
And, you know, if you preach right on this subject,
lots of people agree with you.
I think a lot of times it's a boogeyman
that people are afraid of.
And personally, this is my opinion.
I think that of Pastor Mejia, Pastor Anderson,
Pastor Menes, men like this, and even maybe our church,
we've already kind of gotten the brunt
of a lot of the persecution that's gonna happen.
I think that if you see a lot of other pastors
actually come alongside and start preaching similar to us,
they wouldn't face nearly the level of persecution
that we're experiencing because frankly,
there's just not enough terrorists to share, okay, folks?
You know, I just don't have enough people to give out.
And I think that, you know, they're so dedicated
to some of us that, you know, it would be overwhelming
to them at some point.
There's gonna be a breaking point
where they can't terrorize everyone.
And I think that's what I'm trying to motivate people
to do with this documentary,
is to realize if enough people say,
you know what, this is stupid, we don't care,
we don't like this, or fed up with this junk,
we're not gonna just play ball,
we're gonna say what we believe,
that it would make it where the media and these terrorists,
they can't really be effective anymore.
They lose their power.
I know Pastor Mejia also probably has perspective on this,
so what are your thoughts to these pastors
that are afraid just to kind of speak
what they believe on this issue?
- Yeah, I mean, I agree with everything you said.
I personally get frustrated with pastors like that,
and I feel like sometimes they just need to not be a pastor.
If they are going to water down the sermon
so as to not receive persecution
or even offend their church members,
I think every pastor has a responsibility
to preach the entire council of God,
and not just to preach it, but preach it hard.
And I think a lot of these pastors,
if I could just communicate to them,
that if they just do their part by preaching against it,
if we can just get enough pastors
to just get up and do their part,
there's no need to be afraid,
because they'll realize soon thereafter
how many are on our side.
And so they might be afraid of the persecution now
only because they see a small group of pastors and churches
kind of bearing the brunt of the persecution,
but what if they rise up with their church of 1,000,
and another rises up with the church of 700,
another rises up with the church of 3,000 or whatever,
and says the same thing, then you know what?
There's power in numbers.
And so I think pastors need to be spirit-filled,
and I'm not saying don't be afraid
because at the end of the day,
I think any pastor has been afraid,
but I think they need to kind of step out in faith
in spite of their fear.
And it's okay to be afraid and to be fearful.
What's not okay is to allow that to kind of paralyze you
and to not preaching God's word and to stand for the truth
and standing against the workers of iniquity
and to reprove them.
And if they can't do that,
then I think they need to step down
because of the fact that they're the problem
with our nation and our country
is there's just not enough men of God
who are willing to actually say
what the Bible says about these things.
And they're causing more Christians to become afraid
and causing more Christians to buy into
the sodomy propaganda that there are more on their side
than there are on our side.
And so I think pastors need to pray for boldness.
I think they need to pray to be spirit-filled
and communicate with some of us.
Call some of us so we can encourage them in the Lord
and let them know like, hey, we have been through it.
God will deliver you as well.
Preach God's word.
Have faith in the Lord.
The Bible rings true.
And you only have one life to live.
And so why not go out with a bang?
And go through the persecution.
I mean, we don't want to live a boring Christian life.
It's exciting, you know, being persecuted.
Obviously, it could be a little scary sometimes,
but majority of the time it's exciting.
And you earn rewards because of it.
You reach more people.
You're able to preach the gospel to scores of hundreds
and hundreds of people will get saved because of it.
And God can use your life in a big way, you know?
And so if you're afraid, it's completely normal,
but step out in faith in spite of it.
And so, you know, that's what I believe.
- Yeah, and you know, what's interesting to me about this
is that there's pastors that are afraid
to say the truth on this issue
when there's pastors going out
and speaking complete lies on this particular issue
and even demonizing people like us.
There's a clip I wanna play and get your thoughts on,
but there was a pastor that was across the street from us
when we were in Watauga.
It was the, I believe it's either the first church
of Nazarene or just Church of the Nazarene.
It's in Watauga off Denton Highway.
And the pastor ended up preaching a sermon
against our church,
against one of the sermons by Dylan Oz,
and kind of against me as well, just generally speaking.
And this guy is talking about us in such a negative way,
saying that we're so bad
that he equates us to human traffickers.
Let's play this clip real quick.
- For someone who calls himself a pastor and says that,
"It's worse than it is for those who are caught in that lifestyle."
In fact, in this whole process,
I mean, there's part of me that's just really angry.
They're giving the body of Christ a black eye.
That really makes me angry.
And so it's harder for me to love them.
In fact, they're right up there with traffickers,
right up there with drug cartels,
of people that I really struggle.
But we're going to pray for Steadfast Baptist Church
because see, it doesn't matter how I feel
about what they said, right?
Wow.
And you know, notice a comment that he made.
He said, "It's harder for me to love them."
Now, you didn't get the whole context there,
but what he was trying to say is,
he's trying to say these people protesting us
that are open-Satanists.
And in fact, they were stripping naked.
They had signs that say God is a freak.
They're cursing and blaspheming the name of God regularly.
Of course, many of them are Sodomites.
He's saying it's harder to love us,
meaning Steadfast Baptist Church,
than it is to love those people.
And he wasn't even saying, just like me or Dylan,
he's talking about the precious women and children
and grandmothers who come to our church.
He's saying it's harder to somehow love
the sweet little grandma that believes Romans one
than it is to love these Sodomite protesters.
And then he puts us on par with human traffickers
and drug traffickers, which drug traffickers
are committing murder through proxy of drugs.
And worse than murder is these people
that are involved in just the most grotesque evil trafficking,
which if you don't have just only hatred for traffickers,
you need to go watch The Sound of Freedom.
This is a plug for that movie.
You need to watch it.
Yeah, you also aren't right in the head.
Yeah, but again, to say that our church is on par
with those people is just astounding.
I mean, what are your thoughts about this, Pastor Mejia?
Well, you know, the Bible says, "they that forsake the law
praise the wicked, but such as keep the law,
contend with them."
And the Bible tells us, "shouldest thou
help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord,
therefore wrath is upon thee from before the Lord."
And this guy is a wicked, false prophet.
He's a piece of crap.
His preaching sounds as soft as he looks.
And that guy's going to split hell wide open.
I mean, to compare God-fearing, Bible-believing Christians
to human traffickers, I mean, what a wicked thing to say.
But you know, it's shocking at first.
But then you kind of remember about 2 Peter chapter 2,
and you're like, well, yeah.
I mean, this guy would say something like this,
because he's a wicked, false prophet.
And you know, he's probably a fag himself.
And he probably has fags in his church, which is
why he's saying all that stuff.
And so, you know, and it sounds like he's just projecting a lot
of what he's saying.
And so you got to read between the lines.
But you know, here's the thing is that, obviously, there's
Christians out there who are saved who may not
agree with us 100%.
But the parts that they don't agree with us about
are like the reprobate doctrine that, you know,
whether they can be saved or not.
But virtually every Christian is willing to admit or agree
that sodomy is abominable, and that it's worthy of death,
and that it's disgusting.
I mean, they probably won't say it as passionately as we will,
you know.
They probably won't drop a couple F-bombs when saying it
or something like that.
But, you know, they'll readily admit it's disgusting,
it's abominable, it's worthy of death,
it's what the Bible says.
You know, this guy seems as though, like, he really loves
them and he wants them in his church.
And, you know, I don't want to spoil the movie.
But, you know, I know you placed a clip in there in the movie
where he talks about Leviticus 2013, you know.
But I'm not going to spoil it.
But, you know, this guy is obviously wicked, and he's evil.
And I hope he splits hell wide open tonight.
Amen.
Well, what's crazy, again, is the comparison.
You have pastors that are afraid to preach what's right.
And then you get this guy just not even afraid to just speak, arguably, one of the worst
things imaginable, and to praise the wicked, and to advocate for Phil, and to go against
the Bible, to blaspheme the Word of God, to reject clear scripture.
I mean, it's crazy that there's men out there that have less courage than this false prophet.
They have less balls than this guy.
I mean, that's sad, because he's effeminate, and queer-looking, and softy, and there's
probably even more adjectives Ben could think of.
But it's incredible to me how this guy "has more courage in the lie than men would have
in the truth."
What do you think about this?
Well, of course.
Pastor Mejia, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, you know, the Bible says, "He that justified the wicked
and he that condemned the just, even they both are an abomination," you know?
And so, you know, obviously it shouldn't surprise us that we're abominable to him because we're
righteous people.
But you know what?
The feeling is mutual because he's an abomination to us as well.
I mean, he makes me sick just listening to him.
So yeah, I get the uncontrollable urge to vomit listening to that predator, that spiritual
predator get up in front of his congregation, a captive audience, and spew that filth, because
that's what that is.
It's filth.
It's garbage.
It's bile.
And you know what the Bible says in Proverbs 29, "An unjust man is an abomination to the
just, and he that is upright in the way is an abomination to the wicked," to piggyback
off of what Pastor Mejia just said.
But one other angle to this, it's not just the equating of a Bible-believing church to
human traffickers, but also if you listen to what that piece of garbage said, what that
scumbag said, he said, "I'm angry."
Yeah.
I'm giving it to you now.
You seem upset.
Yeah.
He said, "It makes me angry," if you listen to what he said.
He said, "It makes me angry," our preaching.
Of all the things to be upset about in 2023 America, of all the things that could possibly
make you angry, we've got drag queen filth going up and down the streets, we've got the
pedophiles that are putting perverted books into the school system today to defile the
youth, we've got false prophets, we've got degeneracy running rampant in this country
that's on a bobsled straight to hell, and the only thing you can come up with to be
upset about is Bible-believing Christians?
That tells me you're the problem.
That tells me you're sick in the head.
That tells me you're a spiritual predator running defense for the child predators.
Well, you know, obviously Ben's got some righteous anger over here and you know, it's rightfully
so and hopefully we can stir more of that up with our new film.
We're under 10 minutes, folks.
We're going to be putting it out there at 8 p.m.
It's going to be on our Steadfast Rumble channel exclusively.
You got to go there.
We'll try to put it in the chat as well.
We're going to have a reminder video here.
We're going to keep the live stream going, but we're going to kind of sign off.
We're just going to have a loop video.
But you're still welcome to stick around, chat, talk about the film.
Of course, share the film.
We want to get it out there to as many people as possible, you know, and we're putting it
on Rumble to give it a chance to survive.
I don't know if it will, you know, God willing, it'll stay up there for a long time and we
can reach a lot of people.
It's hard to reach people with content like this these days, and the Sodomite Deception,
you know, when we put it up there, we put it on YouTube, it had like 20,000 views in
maybe about a week or so, maybe two weeks time, I can't remember, and then it got nuked
off of YouTube, and so we ended up making a website for it, SodomiteDeception.com, and
I ended up recently updating the site a little bit, so it's got a little bit more information
and you can go check it out, but you can watch our trailer, you can watch the film, we've
got a couple facts out there and some news and some Bible verses and stuff, so it's a
great resource.
If you've never seen that film, I highly recommend watching that film after this film.
And you know, it's kind of crazy that I've made two films kind of on this subject, because
I'll be honest, I didn't think that I would make another one after making this out of
my deception.
But we went through such a crazy experience last few years, and I had all this information
and I thought, well, let's get a creative way to share it.
And honestly, I feel like the film is completely different.
It's definitely the same subject, and it covers even some of the same Bible verses, but it's
definitely a different angle to this subject, and that's kind of what still motivated me
to be able to make a film like this.
And then, of course, there's other films.
Pastor Anderson made a film called AIDS, the Judgment of God, it was a great film.
I think it's definitely even different from these two.
For you, Pastor Mejia, you've seen both of these, you've helped us with these projects.
Do you feel like this is just a repackage, or did you get, it was kind of a fresh take?
What was your thoughts on this particular project?
I'm still pissed off about that pastor right now.
How could you not be?
That guy has God's hand of judgment on him.
Absolutely.
This is Ben.
What are we doing right now?
This is Ben.
Can we not play this right now?
Ben is just so upset and you know this is how he feels about our protesters you know
he's just like this is what we got sorry Pastor Mejia you know but you know hey at least there's
a guy that's willing to stand for the truth like that pastor who's willing to stand for
evil obviously you're mad at this guy.
Hey Pastor Mejia how about how non-threatening this guy dresses he has his stupid effeminate
glasses on he dresses up like he's this oh lovey-dovey is it gonna hurt you when he's
the predator he's the one ruining people's lives.
The guy looks like a damn vegan super weak I mean I don't even know how anybody with
two brain cells to rub together who loves the Bible at all or loves the Lord Jesus Christ
could ever sit under his preaching I mean I would be offended if I was the same person
at that church with minimal Bible knowledge and I was just lukewarm I would be grossly
offended at what he said in that sermon there and I would walk out as I you know had some
choice words as I'm walking out because the guy is just super wicked he's calling evil
good and good evil he's putting darkness for light and light for darkness I mean the
guy is just trash.
How would that guy kill Goliath?
I mean how would that guy be someone who would follow in battle?
The guy wouldn't be able to pick up the stones to kill Goliath.
He's like "ew yucky" you know.
I mean is that really what pastors are turning into these days?
These limp-wristed, watered down, wet noodles who don't stand for anything and the only
people that are evil are a fundamental Baptist that hates homos.
It's like really?
Soy.
You know what I think of when I hear him preach?
Soy.
S-O-Y.
Well and you know a reason why I think they're so soft on those individuals is because they're
actually worse.
Like these false prophets are worse than sodomites.
And so they kind of have to downplay how bad sodomites are just because of their own internal
wickedness.
It's really just grotesque to see these individuals out there.
If the guy was in the Old Testament he wouldn't be allying with the house of God because the
priest would automatically think this guy's privy member is cut off or something.
This guy would be the guy that Jehu is inviting into the house of Baal.
He would've been like, "Hey, come serve Baal with us," and he'd be invited in.
He'd be the guy that Elijah's slaying.
He wouldn't be the man of God.
He's so weak.
I mean, the men of God were tough.
These guys were beasts.
No one wanted to mess with these individuals.
They were fearful of them.
Jacob lifted the stone off of the well.
You could've probably had a hundred of these pastors and they wouldn't have been able to
get the stone off of the well.
He's a smooth preacher.
He just looks like a smooth preacher.
He has no hair on his body or in his preaching.
The guy is just trash, man.
It just pisses me off to see that guy say that.
I mean, I was mad when I saw the movie and what he says in the movie, but I didn't see
this clip.
This clip is just like ... Yeah, it's pretty bad.
I want to do a quick, real quick programming note.
If you guys are enjoying the show tonight, make sure that you come back tomorrow, tomorrow
night at 8 p.m. Central Time.
We're going to have Pastor Jeff Riddle on the program to talk about the preservation
of God's Word.
Just wanted to put that out there.
Yeah.
If you want a lighter subject, we're going to talk about the Bible, and Dr. Riddle's
actually a really knowledgeable guy when it comes to just translations, language, and
defending the King James Bible.
He's a baited James White, and he even got James White to admit that there's no verse
in the Bible that's locked in, which is kind of crazy because a lot of people haven't been
able to fish that out of him.
I'm excited for that interview, and we like to bring all kinds of different guests.
Of course, our favorite guests are Pastor Mejia, Pastor Anderson, people that we're
really close with.
Pastor Anderson's rapture.
Well, uh-oh.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble if he got raptured.
That's so funny.
One time we thought my mom got raptured, and I was like, "No," but that would be
terrifying if everybody ... I don't want to be left behind, okay, folks?
Not Kirk Cameron style.
We're under two minutes, folks, and we're going to drop the link in the chats the best
that we can.
The Rumble usually doesn't censor or block the links, so you can go to the Rumble Baptist
Bias, check the link, or just go to the Steadfast Baptist Church.
Check it out.
It should be coming up here just in any minute, scheduled film to release, LGBT Terrace.
I'm so excited, and definitely put some comments in there.
Share this thing, subscribe to our channel, and also check out Pastor Mejia.
Check out FirstWorks, Baptist Church in LA.
I know that we can find you on your website is what you told us previously, right?
What was that website again?
Yeah.
FWBCLA.org is the website.
You can also subscribe to our Rumble channel.
I think it's like FirstWorks.
Let me look it up real quick because I don't even know.
I should know these things, but let's see here.
It's FirstWorks 1569, so you can go on there.
We do all our lives there, and we're going to be uploading some content there in the
coming weeks, and so you can find us there.
Great.
We're going to stick around just until we make sure that the movie's been streaming.
I know some people's clocks just struck eight, so we're going to stick around, just make
sure that the stream gets going, and I'm really excited about this film dropping.
It looks like it should be live right now, so I think you can head out there.
We're going to be dropping the link, and we'll be putting up just kind of an interlude video
to remind people to go check out the film, but we want you to stay plugged in the chat,
guys.
Keep chatting.
Tell us your thoughts about the film.
Point out your favorite parts.
Tell us when you laughed.
Tell us when you got mad at the false prophet from the Nazarene Church.
We want to hear it, and we've got lots of people having watch parties tonight.
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Do a review after the film.
Upload it.
Tell us what you thought about the movie, and we're really excited about this.
Thanks so much for having or coming on Pastor Mejia.
Do you have any final thoughts for us?
Yeah, just make sure you spread this and, you know, show it to your family and friends
and, you know, to your co-workers if you're close to them and just kind of spread the
word about the movie.
I think it's a movie that's just well put together, a lot of great information.
You will learn something new.
It's definitely entertaining.
It's an entertaining movie to watch, but it's most assuredly also informative as well.
So you're gonna learn something.
Well, that's pretty much gonna do it for us this evening.
Thanks again to our guest, Pastor Mejia, Pastor Anderson for coming on the show.
And make sure to check us out tomorrow night, 8 p.m. on The Baptist Bias.
That's gonna do it for this evening.
Ben, why don't you sign us off?
We thank you for tuning in, everyone.
And make sure you go right now to check out LGBT Terrorists.
It's up on our Rumble channel, Keywords, Steadfast Baptist Church.
You don't want to miss the latest film coming to you courtesy of Steadfast.
And for Pastor Mejia, Pastor Shelley, this is Ben Naim signing off.
We love you all.
God bless you all.
And we'll talk to you guys again after a while.