Good morning. Thank you everybody for joining us with the Baptist bias. We've got a special show this
morning, Sunday morning of the conference, the King James Bible Conference here at
Sure Foundation Baptist Church and we've taken over their vault. We brought our co-host with us.
I think he flew on a magic carpet. How'd you get here, Ben?
I mean, you already explained it. Magic carpet, man. That's how we do it.
in the Arab world, but I appreciate the chance to be here.
What an epic conference this has been
and we have reached the final day of it
and the final Baptist bias of the conference.
We have some great guests joining us, Pastor Shelley.
I'll throw it back over to you to introduce them.
So we've got our host of the conference,
Pastor Aaron Thompson with us in studio.
And...
How's it been going so far?
What is your thoughts about the conference, Pastor Thompson?
Well, as promised, I mean, we've had a lot of new material.
I mean, obviously, there's no new thing under the sun,
but there's been a lot of new subject material.
And that's what Pastor Anderson was saying,
that he was going to introduce some new things
that he hasn't necessarily covered before.
And preaching about the reign of Valera,
Bible and against it and the flaws in it. I thought I specifically asked Pastor Mejia as I mentioned yesterday
to preach about that subject, which was probably
You know a very difficult topic to preach about
Especially since you know, it's not a majority Spanish speaking room
There was a lot of people that spoke Spanish, you know or that are learning Spanish
So that was a really important sermon to get out there. So especially for our our group our movement. So
Yeah I mean I think the conference is going great looking forward to hearing
your sermon and I know that you're gonna be preaching about the KJV is Jesus
this morning so I'm looking forward to hearing that and I'm preaching about the
15 rules to the translators and I'm not gonna cover all 15 rules otherwise we'd
be here till midnight but
just covering I believe you. Yeah. Yeah. The spirit of
Pastor Shelly might come upon me or Pastor Anderson. So now I'm
just going to cover mainly
probably three of the 15, so if I even get past the first point.
I feel like there's been some great technical information at this conference.
I mean, we've gotten into the Septuagint.
We've talked a lot, especially in the Q&A session about the received text.
We've talked about the critical text, the modern versions,
all these elements of our doctrine and really educated people,
a wealth of information, and both easy and maybe a little more
dense. So I think there's been something for everyone, no matter how
knowledgeable they are on the subject.
And I've really enjoyed the conference as well. We also have another pastor with us pastor Jim weeb and
You are from Canada. Hey, how does it how's it going? Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, that's good to hear that e coming from a Texan
But it's good to be on the show. It's been a great conference learning a lot good fellowship
It was even good to have a ride in that Tesla the other day when Jay, I mean
That's really good. Tell us a little bit about your church. Yeah, so our church
Started off as a Bible study group a soul winning group because we couldn't find anybody in Manitoba that
You know priestry gospel that would allow us to to come to church
There's one but then they found out we listened to Pastor Anderson and we weren't welcome
So pardonable sin. Yeah, and so so we did that for a number of years while looking for churches
but then we just okay, we're gonna have to just meet as a group and then you know then a while later
quite a few years later than pastor Thompson and I talked and he you know was willing to help us
start a church there and uh yeah so we're in Winnipeg mount when was that that was I think
October 22 I think 2022 okay yeah it's a couple years ago about three years ago yeah yeah
And then now, what's the name of your church?
Fortress Baptist Church.
And don't y'all have like another soul winning group
or something in another area
or tell us a little bit about that?
Yeah, so there's a group in Calgary,
kind of just found out about them through Facebook.
You saw like there was new IFP people there
interested in soul winning.
And it was like, well, we'll just have a soul winning
marathon, try to encourage them.
And
Yeah, and we kind of just while I was still under Pastor Thompson
We decided to make it a you know official soul winning group just to you know help them encourage them and going good
They were up to 20. They're down to 14 now, but still it's a they've been faithful
They're hitting really receptive pockets there, especially on the mega marathon
So in Canada when you're trying to build the church and grow and advertise bring people in
Do y'all just like hand out like syrup samples or like how does that work? Well, I mean syrup
probably wouldn't go over as, like it wouldn't be as a novelty in Canada as maybe other places.
No use of traditional solar.
It's a very diplomatic answer.
When we make a new Canadian translation, instead of the bear and the honey, it's like the bear and the syrup or something.
Is that how it works?
You'll have to excuse Pastor Shelley if he encounters anyone remotely foreign, nothing but stereotypes will come out of his mouth.
Well, there's they're there for a reason you got to use them, right? So no
We have some great Canadians in the movement and our show is sponsored by Canada specifically
So that is true without you know, the Canadians we would basically have nothing
So really grateful that you're here on the show
doing the work up there. And look, Canada is probably a little bit harder of a place
to start churches and do this work. And so commend you on going up there and staying
strong. I mean, obviously you're from there, but I'm just saying staying there.
Being committed reaching your people handing out syrup samples, whatever you have to do
It makes a lot of difference. You know when we have a conference like this the King James Bible Conference
Obviously, we're talking about a really important issue because I think most doctrinal statements have the Bible
Or what their beliefs are about the Bible as their first line in
their doctrinal statement. And pretty much everybody will say we believe the Bible was
perfect and inerrant in the originals. But most doctrinal statements pretty much just stop right
there. Whereas we're coming alongside and saying not only believe that God gave us the word of God,
but we still have it. It's been preserved and I can hand it to you right now. It's the King James
Bible. And so I think that having conferences like this and encouraging churches to have a King
We're learning a lot about the King James, we're getting arguments for the King James.
What do you really hope to see people do with this information?
You know, we're going to leave here, we're going to go home.
What do you really want people to do after they leave a conference like this?
Like, what is kind of your vision for what this type of a conference could accomplish?
Well, I mean, I just hope that it educates people,
because sometimes people are King James only.
And it's more surface level.
It's more, it's a faith thing.
But also to even have them delve into the subject
even further, because it's great to have it be a faith thing.
Our producer is requesting that you
go right here, straight into the mic.
OK, all right, straight into the mic, all right.
Or you could adjust it if you want,
if it just helps you a little bit.
Well, yeah, that's OK.
I'll just speak into the mic.
Yeah, I mean, I just I hope that people just because I mean that they're giving we you can't cover a topic like this just in even five sermons so it's you know, it's something that you have to kind of be a lifelong learner about if you really want to delve into the subject maybe
some people don't want to do that. But there's even people at this conference that might not even be King James only I know for sure there's a couple people that just wandered in and have come there's a there's a person that just saw the stuff that we had decorated outside and they've
all through the Q and A's, all through everything.
And even yesterday, they were out fellowshiping
with everybody, and there's nothing.
Well, if you haven't scared them off yet,
you're waiting for me to finish the job or what?
Yeah, maybe.
Just finish the whole job, yeah?
So, but yeah, I mean, I just hope that people take this,
seriously, and there's a lot of proponents
against the King James out there that they
want to destroy people's faith, like Mark the Queer
sounding sissy ward.
You know, he wants to take the King James out of people's hands
and he tries to use the NIV or other, you know, supposed
translations into the modern languages, you know, from the TR, supposedly,
which they deviate from the TR all the time on those, especially, you know,
the new King James is just horrible.
So but he'll he'll try to say, you know, he's our brother or whatever.
But he's doesn't sound like he sounds like our sister.
I actually like women way more, that was like derogatory towards women, because he's effeminate
and he sounds like a faggot, so my sisters sound way better and cooler and I'd rather
hang out with any woman than that guy, so that's kind of derogatory towards women and
we don't hate women, you know, okay, Pastor Thompson, no I'm just kidding, I know.
There's food.
I mean, the food has been great.
The fellowship has been great.
We've got shirts.
We've got prizes.
The decorations are awesome.
The vault is epic.
But I kind of want to get an idea, Pastor Weeb.
You know, why come to a conference like this?
You're visiting here.
you know from from your perspective like what's really important about coming to
conference like this why do you come to a conference like this well just you know
line upon line just keep you know learning new things about the King James
you know I was brought up King James although my parents weren't saved they
you know they taught me that King James was the only one right and yeah just to
learn new things like I didn't know where the apocrypha came from and I learned
that from the Septuagint so
And just yeah to just keep because I mean if you're gonna compromise and go like let's say new King James
There's some new version that that someone makes right like it just like pastor
Anderson talked about the doctrines are affected
Yeah, yeah, and again, we want to make sure that not only do we believe the things we believe we understand why we believe them
Ben is this your first time to come to the King James conference?
Yeah, it's the first time that I've ever been here before this
You're missing out that kind of cause you don't want to come out to one of these things
Like what what is what's your why are you here? Hell? Yeah?
I mean, you know watching it on television is just not the same and I've watched prior King James conferences on TV
on YouTube and you know it's not the same. I wanted to be a part of it. I wanted to
you know obviously experience it for myself and you know Pastor Thompson made it a lot easier for
for me to get here because of the fact that he gave me the opportunity to contribute a little bit
courtesy of the Q&A which I really appreciate so and obviously you Pastor Shelley as well
making it possible through this podcast so conferences to me are just so special. They are
I didn't go to the hike, which I'd like to do next time.
So I spent the majority of my time standing and talking
or sitting and talking, and I had an absolute blast.
Why is that?
It's because I love the brethren, period.
Throwing it back over to you one again. This topic is really a topic that you love you've engaged with. I love this top
I feel like we spent some time working on a movie about this. I will tell you that
Prior to working on the preserved Bible. I of course I was King James only but I couldn't really explain it as well as
after working on the preserved Bible documentary it gave me a wealth of information to work with
and all of the research and the study that went into that film was so so helpful and frankly
speaking I've kind of become a geek on this issue it is really interesting to me and so I have been
and the wisdom that has come from the preaching at this event for sure.
I think a conference like this can be a little bit intimidating as a preacher
because just how much...
information has already been put out there you know with New World Order Bible
versions was a great documentary educated a lot of people on the fact
there's some big differences in the Bible our preserved Bible documentary we
tried to put a lot of effort energy into kind of talking about the history and a
lot of the arguments and really getting some of the technical detail as well as
just kind of the story of the King James Bible obviously Pastor Anderson seems
at this conference and it was not a repeat by any stretch of the imagination. Two completely
different sermons with lots of new information. Really emphasizing a lot about the Hebrew,
the Septuagint, explaining some differences that I think some people maybe even weren't aware of.
So there's just so much information and I feel like the audience level of knowledge is just so high.
and so it's it's kind of intimidating to try to bring maybe something new or to educate further
but at the same time I do think just increasing people's faith
and kind of getting them excited about this because not everybody's gonna study all this,
not everybody's gonna be a history expert, not everybody's gonna be a technical language expert.
Many people may have never even speak another language apart from English, and I still want
them to be able to feel confident that if they approach somebody on this issue,
they can make a point themselves. They can contribute to this effort of getting more people
onto the King James Bible, they can explain it to their children, they can explain it to their
an extreme confidence in the word of God, even if they don't understand the
pericope, adulteray, or the chameleonium, or what other flexes you have on us, Ben.
You got another flex on us?
I think you've covered them all. You've covered them all at this point.
I can't think of anything else.
Ha-fai-off!
That guy sounds real educated, you know what I mean?
Right.
And so, you know, I really appreciate, obviously,
all of the new information and the nitty-gritty.
I like it.
I like the technical expertise.
But I also want to, you know, appeal this morning
to, you know, the women and the children
and a lot of people that, hopefully, they can also
get something out of this conference
and have a lot of confidence moving forward
and not feel kind of overwhelmed.
Because I feel like the James Whites of this world,
you with all this technical detail and all this information and they're hearing
Erasmus and Vaticanus and Sinaiticus and Pericope adultery and all and then they
just kind of kind of gloss over right and again that's something that I feel
like the other side does and so I think sometimes bringing it back out let's all
walk out of the forest and just observe the forest again for what it is and not
kind of get lost in some of the details the eclectic text
Yeah, whatever.
Thank you for finally flexing for us.
I knew you're over here, you know, begging for it.
Just trying to be humble.
And again, I'm not against educating ourselves.
I think we should understand why,
but I feel like it's important for, you know,
the common man, the blue collar worker,
the person that's never even been to college,
for them to also believe the Bible,
because I think, wasn't it Pastor Mahia?
I think it was him that brought up some kind of percentage artistic talking about how the uneducated
were the most concerned
with the changes when it came to the text, as opposed to how the educated
just want just extreme changes and they want all this different stuff,
whereas the common guy is actually kind of the one that's right.
And the Bible says, making wise the simple.
So, you know, just because you may not be educated,
from a college perspective or a formal perspective
or learned the history,
I think you can still be someone that contributes
to this King James Bible conversation.
What do you think about this, Pastor Thompson?
Well, I'm actually gonna bring that point up
a little bit in my sermon.
The Bible says the common people heard him gladly.
Amen.
So, you know, Jesus is up there speaking.
So when Jesus, you know, obviously that we,
the common people here. I might steal that point.
That's fine.
You stole my text for my Bible reading, so it's OK.
We can read it.
Well, Pastor Anderson stole my text,
because I was going to use John 10.
I know.
And then I'm just like, that's OK.
And I was just worried about time.
So I'm like, ah, I saw him 12.
That's OK.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
That or saw him 19.
I was just kidding.
That's all right.
But I was just gonna say that, you know,
the common people heard him gladly
and that's the same way it is today with the Bible
is that, you know, the scholars are nitpicking nuances
and little things.
And, you know, they're up in their high tower
and Presbyterians, you know, the reason why King James
wanted to make a change is because the Presbyterians
loved the Geneva Bible so much
and he hated all their little notes and stuff.
And there, it was kind of, it was almost like
like a Calvinistic study Bible.
Yes.
And he despised it.
And everybody's like, oh, James was,
he was a Presbyterian, a hardcore Calvinist or whatever.
And it's like, that's not what I see.
I see that he wanted the middle ground.
He wanted the middle path between, you know,
the Church of England and the Presbyterians,
which they came with this laundry list of things
they wanted to change.
And he's like, no, no, no, no.
It's like, new translation?
Yes.
That's like basically the only thing he said yes about.
I want to just bring this up because Pastor Shelly,
you mentioned
the idea of the unlearned being the most concerned about Bible translation issues and of course
the Bible tells us in Acts chapter 4 in verse number 13 when they saw the boldness of Peter
and John and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men they marveled and they took
knowledge of them that they had been with Jesus and I think it's the people today who
similarly, have been with Jesus, not to steal from your sermon or anything like that, but
how is it that in 2025 we can quote unquote be with Jesus, it's right here with the King
James Bible, because the Word of God is God. The Word is God.
Yeah, I'm hoping that, honestly, there's too much stuff to say this morning and I'm hoping that, honestly, that a lot of people are going to have your opinion here where they're coming up with all kinds of other ideas that I didn't talk about or bring up.
And I think a good sermon, whenever you have good doctrine, the Holy Ghost just reminds us all of different verses in the Bible and helps us make further points.
as confirmation. It's kind of like the Briand searching the scriptures, whether those things
are so. And what you'll notice about bad preaching and false doctrine is that you often leave confused.
You're not like thinking of other verses that confirm. You actually leave trying to think like,
what the heck did that guy just even say?
I mean, he was talking about Batman and, you know, killing people in a store and I really
don't even know what the heck that was about, whereas if you know you're preaching good
with authority, you're preaching the Bible, people are thinking of other verses, they're
thinking of what the scriptures say, things are resonating.
And so, you know, the King James Bible, I think, is the same way.
When you read the King James Bible, I think, every time I'm reading it, I'm like.
It's like triggering in my brain all these other verses and all these other comparisons
Whereas when I'm reading the modern versions, I constantly I'm just wondering like what the heck did that just even say?
Hey, like it seems confusing to me
And I feel like I struggle to even understand what it's saying. It typically isn't helping me
further my doctrine, further my understanding.
It's not giving me zeal, it's giving me confusion.
The Bible says that God's not the author of confusion.
And I grew up on the New King James,
so I grew up on modern versions,
and it was really, it feels like that kid
who has a need for glasses,
and he just doesn't quite understand it.
He's been living his life and everything's
has been looking blurry, but he didn't realize
until the teacher or somebody said like,
you can't read this and you're thinking like, no.
And then they put glasses and you're like, oh, wow.
And I feel like that's what the King James can do to people
who have been reading for so long without glasses
in a sense where they basically have these modern versions.
It doesn't make sense.
Everything's kind of blurry
where the King James just brings so much clarity.
just right there on the forefront.
Pastor Weeb, I know you said he kind of brought up
on the King James, but have you had these moments
where you're reading the modern versions
and you just feel so confused?
It's like hard to even understand what they're saying.
Yeah, I mean, like for sermons,
they'll sometimes go into the new versions
or when you're talking to somebody.
And like one big thing is like the verse,
like when they take out the word hell, right?
Like that just.
Effects being able to save people, right? It's like what are you being saved from if you don't believe in hell, right?
So yeah, they're very confusing
Yeah, I mean, they use just kind of the underlying words like Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, and it's
not that there's anything wrong with those words.
It's not that those words couldn't even be found in the underlying text.
It's more just why would I be using some word from another language if we're supposed to
be translating the Bible into English, and I think that most people resonate with the
word hell.
It's a strong word.
It provokes a lot of emotion for people.
be provoking people with emotion because others say with fear pulling them out of the fire like
we don't want people to think that they're just gonna sleep in the grave and I feel like when
I knock on doors I don't know about here but a lot of people sometimes will just say like oh when
you die that's it or when you die just go to the grave and they kind of like don't really have this
hell doctrine already on the table when you knock on the door is that something you experienced
Pastor Thompson yeah I mean sometimes yeah people well people that believe in the modern versions
they just automatically think that shield
or whatever those mistrans, you know,
where they don't translate the word.
Right.
Like especially the new King James,
they take out the word hell multiple times
and you know, they leave it untranslated on purpose.
It's like, how's that more clear?
How's that updating the King James?
It's not updating it.
It's making people think.
Yeah.
It's like, why leave those untranslated
because you don't believe in hell?
That's why.
And they want you to believe it's just the grave.
And so, and that's what the Jehovah's Witnesses do.
They want you to believe that there is no hell that you just, you just cease to exist.
When I hear of Hades, it makes me think of, like, Greek...
philosophy or like Greek mysticism or like some kind of a Greek pagan religion
Where you know we're going back to like the time of Hercules or something like this like it doesn't seem like Christian
It doesn't even sound like Christianity and again
It's not to say that obviously Hades doesn't have its place if you're a Greek speaker, but just from an English perspective
It's kind of been warped a little bit
I think in our minds and and Hades doesn't really resonate with me about hell
I mean have you ever heard are people even using Hades in modern?
context bend you hear people like saying go to Hades or get the Hades out of here or
What the Hades? I mean like is this is this what you're hearing?
It's obviously not a commonly used word and this was demonstrated in New World Order Bible versions when they went out and interviewed people
On the street and asked them what word was more recognizable hell or Hades, and I think the answers
It kind of speaks for itself,
the way that people responded to that question.
And it's just another example of how the modern versions
water down the word of God, which the Bible tells us
is sharp and it's sharper than any two-edged sword.
Piercing.
Piercing even to dividing us under of soul and spirit.
So that just tells you.
And it's always and tomorrow.
Right, it's a discerner. Yeah, yeah, and so it tells you just how specific the word of God can be whereas the modern versions will take
scriptures and especially on
things like fornication and and and sins of that nature and turn it into sexual immorality or
We looked at the new living translation and they totally get rid of the word drunk and turn it into something more vague
Well, they just get rid of sober
They get rid of the word sober.
So you basically could be drunk while reading it
and not be rebuked constantly
about needing to be sober.
Right, so they water down the message
to make it more vague.
They beer it down.
Yeah.
They wine it down.
And this is why you'll actually have people
who walk away from the modern versions
thinking that sin isn't actually sin.
Dr. Stringer, in our interview with him
for the preserved Bible, brought this up to you.
that he talked to a young lady who explained to him
that she didn't think that being a sodomite was even a sin
or anything like that,
and it was because of the Bible version she was using.
I like Dr. Stringer's opinion on that issue.
So he has a strong opinion about that.
Yeah, and he wanted to bring it up to us
in the interview for sure.
So just tells you his view on it.
But no, I think the modern version,
they have so many issues,
but one of them is just how they water down the text,
water down,
the word of God and turn it into, as Pastor Anderson has said multiple times, a butterknife.
Well, I think this conference is great and we've learned a lot. This is the second one that we've
had. I kind of want to get your thoughts, Pastor Thompson. What is your vision for this conference
for the future? Are you hoping to make this something that you do every couple years?
Are you wanting to change it up, do a different style conference? Obviously,
there's probably a lot of topics and a lot of things we haven't.
Uncovered so I'm just kind of curious. Do you have a plan for the future for this type of a conference?
Do you want to kind of keep it going? Do you want to evolve it? Maybe you just not sure yet?
I'm just kind of curious where you're at. Well, I was actually just thinking about
Maybe switching it up, but I do like this topic a lot and I know people love this topic
So I'd hate to switch it out. It seems like everybody kind of has their little
niche that they want to do.
Pastor Anderson likes to do the missions conference.
And you're kind of picking up the,
well, you've been doing the fire breathing Baptist
and you kind of switch off every year
and you do a children's conference also.
So I thought about maybe doing a prophecy conference
at some point, but.
You know, it's not like we have one of those regularly,
but that is a very interesting topic to people too.
So my plan is every other year to do the King James conference,
but I have considered doing possibly to switch it
to a prophecy conference at some point too.
I'd love that.
So I'm really into End Times prophecy.
So that would be for me personally, that would be epic.
And yeah, I agree.
I think a lot of people are into that subject.
And there's a lot to talk about for sure, so I would love that.
There's a lot of differences in opinion, though, which could make it a little, you know...
Interesting.
It could make it interesting, yeah.
But if it's so sharp that, you know, it would divide...
Well, there's not much left to divide at this point, so I like being friends.
Are we going to stay friends, Pastor Thompson?
Absolutely.
I feel like we're ride or die at this point.
I don't know what would separate us at this point.
I don't think we're that different on prophecy.
I have no idea what you're wrong on, but obviously if...
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
Yeah, exactly.
No, I really enjoyed this conference. I mean, I feel like it's also probably things that haven't really been
Brought up is there's something kind of you feel like left on the table that you really would like to still
You know have somebody talk about more on this issue
No, I think that
what we're doing is pretty technical and you know some of it can kind of seem
dry and I think we've done a good job about mixing it like there's some
spicy stuff and you know also technical technical stuff so we don't want it to
be super dry and it's like we're at a Presbyterian conference or something but
at the same time you know I don't know I guess the an extra topic I actually
Modern version that's supposedly King James. I wanted to attack the key KJV ER, which is the easy reader. Okay. I was really
Kind of even last night thinking about switching my sermon because I just thought it'd be nice to end on a spicy
No, but like nobody really knows that version at all. It seems like it's not like a hot top bestseller
But one thing I was I was researching
The how popular the King James was and I don't know if this is you know
There's probably different sites that say different things
But on one of the sites that I looked up in 2024 the King James was the top seller. I
Mean, I think in the United States
but I don't know if that's necessarily true or not,
but 2024, the KJV was tops.
And I just think that, you know,
I think that our impact as the new IFB, quote unquote,
is pretty, you know,
and that independent fundamental Baptist is heavy.
And, you know, there's no doubt even Dr. Stringer said
that our influence on the internet
has awoken the new, the old IFB into, you know,
being on YouTube and you can see
that even COVID helped with that.
have awoken the old IFB at least to stop using newspapers and, you know, the sort of Lord,
you know, all these catalogs and-
Getting some technology into the play. You know, I think that that's an interesting point
they're bringing up about the King James momentum shifting, because, you know, somebody else that,
you know, a couple different people that I think it's interesting to hear about is,
ended up making a Bible and endorsing it as a King James Bible version and also the
Superintendent for the state of Oklahoma
ended up wanting to buy a whole bunch of King James Bibles and put them in the schools and
Again, I don't know that you can necessarily say either these guys are quote new IFB
but I think that there's been a little bit of a culture shift on this and I think us coming alongside these
these ships sailing in the right direction, we could maybe just, you know, push them a little
further, give them a little bit more wind to their sails. What do you think about Donald Trump
making a King's Name's Bible then? Well...
I will tell you this, I believe in celebrating these victories, regardless of what you think
about Trump, regardless of what you think about any other political figure.
If he's holding up a King James Bible and saying you need to go out and purchase it,
for whatever the reason is, I'm not arguing Trump as King James only by any stretch of
the imagination.
I take that as a win.
I take that as something that we should celebrate and be happy about.
pessimistic and negative that you could never just admit that something good happened. And
in my mind, Trump pushing that God bless America Bible was good. You know, sure. Trump is Trump.
I get it. He's not saved. He's got his issues. You know, and people have different opinions
on him. I tend to like Trump. I'll admit it. But I think when it comes to that Bible that
reason. It doesn't matter what the motivation is. If more people are reading King James
Bibles, if more people have King James Bibles in their hands, regardless of who it is that
told them to get one, then I'm happy.
Well at least when asked what he likes in the Bible, he didn't quote the Apocrypha.
He said two Corinthians.
He said, you gotta give him some credit. At least he said two Corinthians.
Hey, he's in the New Testament. He's got legitimate passage.
I don't really have a problem with him saying two Corinthians. I know he gets criticized
There is a book called Two Corinthians.
I mean, he didn't say Second Corinthians.
He was just saying it the British way.
That's what it was.
British way.
He was saying, because in the UK,
they say Two Corinthians, don't they?
I don't know.
I'm almost positive.
We can ask Pastor Tavernor.
I'm pretty sure in the UK, they don't say Second or First.
They say One or Two.
I'm almost positive on this so I mean a lot of Bibles I think you open up it
says like the second book of Timothy so it's a little bit it kind of indicates
the person may not be as familiar with Christianity or the Bible it's safe to
say Donald Trump is not familiar with like if you look at it and like you know
Esor or something it just says to to see or yeah well I'll say this I mean
Book of the Bible, so at least he's got to have at least some knowledge to be able to just actually even say a real book of the Bible.
He didn't say, like, my favorite is the book of Hezekiah or something like that, and so, I mean, there's hope for America.
I'm kind of curious, Pastor Weeb, do you ever see Trudeau?
Bringing out a King James Bible version of himself the Trudeau endorsed King James Bible
I mean, what's what's the hope for Canada on this? Well, I mean, I think he's was more concerned about his socks and his hairdo
But maybe an antichrist version. Maybe you do that, but I
Have a Trump Bible displayed out in the front. I saw it. I saw it caught my eye
So yeah, I mean again leaders matter. I think I think you know Trudeau is not really the best leader
I want to get a Canadian's perspective. What do we think about Trudeau here? I'm just glad he's gone
But the guy that replaced them isn't any better. What is your place? I guess I'm behind the times. It's Carney
I don't need I think it's Mark Carney. I don't even know his first name
Micro mark. I think it's mark. But I don't quote me on that because I didn't follow Paul Tex
The producer knows you got another Canadian second
you know, refirming. Mark Carney. Mark, yeah, okay. Yeah, and I mean, I would have preferred that,
you know, the conservative guy got in just because of economies, but like, he's not our savior either,
so...
And, you know, frankly, Trump threatening with the 51st state has gotten the rural people
interested at least.
Interesting.
What is the appetite of the culture like in Canada as far as Bible versions?
Are people using the King James Bible?
Are they using the modern version?
Do you feel like it's kind of just the same as America because I really don't have any
idea?
Well, I think it depends on what denomination they're part of.
the English part of it was KJV only, right?
And except for like, Mennonite has like a broad spectrum.
Like there's a really liberal ones
and then there's really conservative
where the men and women sit separate sides of the church.
So they're not allowed to scream across the aisle.
No.
That's what first Corinthians was talking about.
It wasn't saying that women shouldn't preach,
it just don't scream across the aisle.
Is that what y'all grew up on?
Yeah, well, I mean, I grew up in a church
where we were sitting together.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So you like your women. You don't want to sit them in the corner. Yeah, never put baby in the corner
Yeah, yeah, we're pro women. We're
and also pro man too.
Nice.
Yeah.
We're trying to put the man back into Manitoba, so.
Oh, I like that.
I like that.
Put him in the driver's seat.
That line stole the podcast right there.
The man back in Manitoba.
I like it.
Amen.
So you grew up in the conservative Mennonite sect,
Yeah, slightly conservative.
but the women were starting to have short hair and get into pants and things like that, but
my parents, I think, were more conservative than the church was.
Like there was like I was gonna say I did learn some good things from the church
But no, I don't think I learned anything from the church, but from my parents
And that was good that they taught me the KGV even though they basically said they changed new things in the new versions
Right, and like I remember growing up in school
The Gideons would still hand out the New Testament and I brought it home to my mom and she's like well
I got a check at first to make sure it's the right version. So that's that's a great set of parents there
How do you go from midnight?
to becoming a Baptist and getting saved.
How did that work?
Well, so it actually had to do partly with meeting my wife
because she was in a more conservative church.
She was actually in a church where they sat separate.
And I joined that church.
And anyway, fast forward, there was a church split
and I didn't agree with either side.
And so for seven years, we didn't go to church at all.
And then after those seven years, we...
What was the split on?
I think it was leadership issues. I don't quite remember
There's like one group wanted to one leader and one one of the other leaders something. I don't quite remember. Yeah
So then how did you get saved exactly? I'm kind of okay. Yeah, so
So up to the seven years we we actually moved to another area and somebody I knew from
Years ago invited us to their group. It wasn't really a church and then that guy left for greener pastures and then
kind of what we did is a
We still met together and we were kind of looking for preaching to watch and stuff like that and the guy that was kind of
Finding things to he ran across Kent Hovind and we were going through the Kent
Hovind and then Pastor Anderson was listed as a as a resource on one of Kent
Hovind's pages or something. I wasn't the one that looked it. So we started listening
He I watched after the tribulation and then I just looking through his sermon. Oh, he's pro KJV
That's what got me interested in
You know, I have to be style preaching Pastor Anderson particular and so we were on a trip actually to Texas
In January was actually nice weather promise land. Yeah, and every
Every hotel I was just using the Wi-Fi downloading sermons because it was KJV back stuff up with the Bible
And that really got me interested and then he preached a sermon
It was doubts about your salvation that it got me all the way saved like that that I understood you got saved in Texas
No, I was back home already.
The story sounds better if you were born.
No, I'm just kidding.
So you got back home.
Yeah.
And you kind of, you finished the job.
Yeah.
And at that point, my second oldest daughter was sick in the hospital for a month.
She had whooping coughs.
This is Kimberly?
No, this is Abigail.
Okay.
Kimberly's my oldest.
Okay.
Yeah.
How many children do you have?
I have seven.
Seven.
I got one boy and then five girls and then another boy.
I feel like I only like in my mind I am only thinking of like I think it's
Kimberly and Michael because I think that when I went up for a soulning
marathon in Minneapolis Minnesota
that's when I first met you guys
and I think you had both of them with you.
You're wearing like t-shirts
and it's like 40 degrees outside
and I have like every item of clothing
I could ever own on and I'm freezing.
But you know, he's got that fortress there, you know?
He's like out there smiling and I'm shivering.
Do you remember that soul winning?
Yeah, I do and I was just like like it was such a blessing to have such warm weather when
Like the water was running down the streets and I could unzip my jacket. Yeah, it was beautiful sun was shining
But I mean I can understand why you might be cold because you get used to the heat and then right, you know, you don't
Here this is cold. Yeah, I hurt like even pastor Reyes yesterday was saying he was he was cold outside. Yeah, I'm cold
I've really liked it. I felt this refreshing
the temperature up here so it's a little different yeah I mean Dallas
Fort Worth can definitely have that I mean I do miss the sun and sunlight and
brightness and you know
normal people. It was out a little bit this morning.
Other than that. All the way here.
You have to come. I mean, I don't know how you don't go to Sure Foundation Baptist Church
because I would need to be around normal people for at least a little bit of my life
because, I mean, you just go outside these walls and it's just, it's a clown show
and, you know, the people that act like,
oh, you go to one of these new IB churches and everybody's weird and blah, blah, blah.
It's like, not in Sure Foundation Baptist Church, not Vancouver, Washington, not Portland.
you got to go to church. I mean, that's where the normal, and it's not just normal. It's cool people.
It's cool people. They're fun. It's exciting being here.
The people making that accusation about the new IFB supposedly containing a whole bunch of weirdos
are themselves weird, are themselves also very stupid people as well.
Do you have any other adjectives that you could help me understand?
No, just wanted to put that out there.
It is very interesting how the weirdest and stupidest people
want to attack our intelligence and our normality.
Claim that we're weird.
Ben is not weird, folks.
He's very normal.
Most of the time.
Is that temple language you're speaking of?
Yeah, I mean, Ben could have left at any point.
So we're really thankful.
And I'm still here.
and I've survived Pastor Shelley's driving.
Yeah, I mean, you know, that's impressive.
But did you die?
Yeah.
See, you know, you gotta just drive the car
like you do the sermon and just take people to the edge.
They stayed safe.
No one got hurt.
The words didn't hurt you.
Right.
And, you know, you made it quicker than you thought.
Yeah, isn't that isn't that kind of how it is like the sermon goes by a little quicker than maybe you thought
I mean you gonna take you literally have stolen the title of driving furiously from Jihoo
I mean there is no question about it
You want to get from point A to point B in the fastest humanly possible allotment of time and look
I'll give you credit that
Somehow, some way, we make it to our destination alive every time, but I'd be lying if I didn't
question whether that would actually happen during the course of the trip.
Well, you know, some things are preserved. It doesn't make sense.
and we seem to keep just showing up preserved.
And hey, the King James Bible,
people argue that it doesn't make sense
how the Bible could be preserved.
But you know what, God's providential hand
has guided the King James Bible to us now.
And that same God, I believe, can preserve Christians.
He preserves the poor.
He can preserve those that have issues and problems.
I kind of have this sermon idea.
for another sermon, it's about like how our mistakes got
and still end up turning out for good.
And but- Amen.
At the same time, you know, the roads are dangerous
and the less time you're on the road,
it seems like- Let's see if it'll be.
I get the logic.
So let me introduce this question before we go ahead.
Oh, no, I was just gonna, I'm gonna get out
and I have to- Give us the last few.
Do you have anything left you wanna say here?
No, I just wanna say thank you guys for being here,
all three of you and you guys are a blessing.
And I really appreciate you coming, Brother Ben,
to do all the Q&A stuff and just being here on the show.
And, you know, it is work.
You can't just exactly let your hair down
the whole time you're here, so to speak.
And Pastor Shelley, you're a great friend.
And I really appreciate you, you know,
all the hard work you've been putting in
and it's been great hanging out.
And Pastor Weeb, you're a blessing
and you're doing great works up there in Canada.
Oh yeah, I wanted to say this,
that I'm gonna be up there preaching at his church
in about three weeks.
was it June 6th and 8th?
That's their one year anniversary, or I ordained him,
and he hasn't turned against me.
So no, that's not a jab at you.
I just, I mean, he's.
So you, he lasted more than six weeks,
or how does that work, or three weeks, or whatever it is?
But I mean, I've had people turn against me before,
so I don't want to mention anything to you.
But yeah, so anyway.
Some people love skin diseases, apparently.
And people that skin diseases and the people that love them that have skin diseases. Yeah, that's a sermon that you probably preached
Thank you so much for having us here. You're a gracious host. You're a great host
And this is an epic conference.
Very hospitable.
Even if you miss the conference,
you still need to just check out
Sure Foundation Baptist Church.
Great church, great spirit, great people.
You know, a lot of people have been telling me
through the whole week,
this is one of the most beautiful parts of the world,
one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
Cool things to do, hiking, mounting.
If you like, you just kind of a more mild climate
so you don't get scorched by the sun.
There's a lot of opportunity here.
This is the middle way.
It's the middle way.
And thanks to the producers.
Thank you, brother Tim.
Thank you, brother Jake.
Yeah, we just.
Guys, Jacob.
We can't do it that much.
Hold it now.
I really appreciate you guys coming.
And I'm sorry we didn't use your clips yesterday.
And it's all Pastor Shelley's fault.
I agree.
I cannot lie.
It's Pastor Shelley's fault.
No, it's Pastor Anderson's fault.
Everything rises and falls on leadership.
And so, but thank you so much for.
being on the show.
I got to go.
I'll let you guys end with Pastor Weeb there.
Thanks for coming on, Pastor Weeb.
Is there anything else you want to promote?
You got your, you said June 6th.
Is there anything else you want to mention for us?
Yeah, so this is the one year anniversary June 6th through 8th.
So if anybody wants to come there, they're welcome.
The Calgary Soul Winning Group is coming out
and camping at my place.
I have a quarter section of Bushland there.
They're going to be putting the man into Manitoba, folks.
Yes, exactly.
The Calgary group might want to say you got to eat belute before you're a man, but
You got a lot of Filipinos in that group. Oh, but as far as like other events
We're planning to go soul winning in North Dakota
September 13th, so if anybody's up there and listening
December 13th, North Dakota.
September.
Oh, September, I'm sorry.
September 13th, North Dakota.
How far is that from Manitoba?
I mean, it's right below Manitoba, North Dakota.
It's like a couple hours or something like that.
I mean, I used to live one mile from the US border, so.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Can you just like, just sneak over
and no one's noticing or how does that work?
No, I mean, they didn't even ask who I was anymore
because like we live right there
and we'd go pick up parcels in the US and things like that,
so.
Yeah, but now we live, you know, an hour and a half away.
Oh, okay.
Is it seemed like there's really much difference in culture when you cross the border because
I feel like when we, when I cross the border in Mexico, it does, there's like a very noticeable
difference.
Do you feel like there's kind of a noticeable difference or it blends up there?
Yeah, there is a noticeable difference, but I mean, like the people North Dakota are different
culture than other parts of the U.S. too, right?
Sure.
But like, I feel at home, you know, in the U.S. they're, you know, we're very similar.
Well, thanks so much for coming on the show. We really enjoyed it
I loved getting to hear about your testimony, especially since Texas was one of the main reasons why you got saved and
Ben, thanks for that from Texas. Amen. Hey, who won the hockey game? Was it the Stars or the Jets?
Yeah, the Stars won it in overtime
Let's go stars.
All right, I just wanted to get that in.
But...
And now he's never coming back on the podcast again.
We had to do it before we ended the show.
Good idea waiting till the end.
Yeah, he's gonna walk outrage quit or something like that.
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