WEBVTT 00:00:00.130 --> 00:00:03.400 The translators of the King James Bible believe that the Bible had been preserved in Greek 00:00:03.400 --> 00:00:09.050 and Hebrew from the time of Christ to them and that they were going to create another 00:00:09.050 --> 00:00:13.350 translation from that pure source, from that true source, and that's the same viewpoint 00:00:13.350 --> 00:00:14.340 that I have. 00:00:14.340 --> 00:00:18.250 And so their authority was the Hebrew and the Greek. 00:00:18.250 --> 00:00:22.930 And I think that for us, we have to be honest, like, our authority should not have transitioned 00:00:22.930 --> 00:00:24.230 away from that. 00:00:24.230 --> 00:00:26.870 We should still have the Hebrew and Greek as our authority. 00:00:26.870 --> 00:00:31.200 It's just now we've been blessed with a third authority, the King James Bible, and these 00:00:31.200 --> 00:00:33.120 three agree in one. 00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:38.670 And these three are kind of the three-fold cord that is not easily broken. 00:00:38.670 --> 00:00:43.260 And so I think that, you know, that's why, especially for English-speaking people, we 00:00:43.260 --> 00:00:48.450 have such a great opportunity to put all of our trust and confidence in the King James 00:00:48.450 --> 00:00:49.450 Bible. 00:00:49.450 --> 00:00:55.000 And for other languages and other peoples, they have many Texas or Sepulchre translations 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.990 where they can, you know, trust their Bible for the most part and whatever maybe really 00:00:59.990 --> 00:01:02.390 minor discrepancies. 00:01:02.390 --> 00:01:04.910 They're usually so trivial, they don't really affect anything. 00:01:04.910 --> 00:01:09.620 And if they really want to know, well, they could learn Hebrew, Greek, or English, and 00:01:09.620 --> 00:01:15.090 they could get that settled for them if they truly wanted to kind of understand every single 00:01:15.090 --> 00:01:18.180 minutia and every single minute detail. 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:22.680 But I think that it's pretty clear from our documentary that we demonstrate the Tyndale 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.110 is the same as the King James Bible. 00:01:24.110 --> 00:01:27.110 It's over 80% of the time in the New Testament. 00:01:27.110 --> 00:01:31.110 I added another speaker, Warrior of Christ. 00:01:31.110 --> 00:01:34.730 How's it going? 00:01:34.730 --> 00:01:35.690 Hey, good evening guys. 00:01:35.690 --> 00:01:36.650 Good, good. 00:01:36.650 --> 00:01:37.680 Interesting discussion. 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.610 I'm coming from the Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox faith. 00:01:41.610 --> 00:01:47.320 I do live in America for the last 10 years, but then I was just like Googling what are 00:01:47.320 --> 00:01:54.350 the differences in some of the, and I didn't see many, but the Baptist faith and Orthodox 00:01:54.350 --> 00:01:58.760 Church, so that's why I was just Googling as you guys were talking and yeah. 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:04.650 Yeah, I mean probably one of the biggest differences is about salvation, and you know we believe 00:02:04.650 --> 00:02:11.260 salvation is by faith only, and it's just a one-time decision to put all your trust 00:02:11.260 --> 00:02:14.180 in Jesus' finished work on the cross. 00:02:14.180 --> 00:02:21.550 That's what we believe would be essential for the salvation to go to heaven, and I believe 00:02:21.550 --> 00:02:27.220 that a lot of Greek Orthodox believe in kind of a combination of faith and being faithful. 00:02:27.220 --> 00:02:28.200 Yeah, exactly. 00:02:28.200 --> 00:02:30.140 Yeah, yeah. 00:02:30.140 --> 00:02:35.050 So that's, you know, for us, you know, we would like people to change their mind and, 00:02:35.050 --> 00:02:40.370 you know, believe in what we call faith alone as far as a doctrinal possession. 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:45.370 But additionally, you know, the Greek Orthodox will say this, they're typically right on 00:02:45.370 --> 00:02:46.350 the Bible issue. 00:02:46.350 --> 00:02:53.700 A lot of them subscribe to the Textus Receptus and virtually all the Greek Orthodox, they 00:02:53.700 --> 00:03:00.920 have Greek manuscripts that line up with the King James Bible and they have the same viewpoint 00:03:00.920 --> 00:03:04.900 on that because they speak Greek and they understand that. 00:03:04.900 --> 00:03:12.590 I mean, the modern Bibles today say some weird stuff and do some weird things and the critical 00:03:12.590 --> 00:03:15.130 text is just kind of a joke. 00:03:15.130 --> 00:03:16.110 It's a joke. 00:03:16.110 --> 00:03:23.600 I believe that probably the official English language should have kept the words like "thou," 00:03:23.600 --> 00:03:26.300 "the," "thine" and stuff like that. 00:03:26.300 --> 00:03:33.060 It's really specific in the language and it represents precise what you want to express 00:03:33.060 --> 00:03:34.270 if you will. 00:03:34.270 --> 00:03:35.290 Don't you agree? 00:03:35.290 --> 00:03:36.280 Yeah, absolutely. 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:37.270 Singular versus plural. 00:03:37.270 --> 00:03:41.530 In fact, I was talking to a coworker one time about this and he kind of objected about 00:03:41.530 --> 00:03:47.250 the thine and the these and I explained to him like, well, the thine and the thou is singular 00:03:47.250 --> 00:03:53.460 and the ye and ye is plural and that actually helps you get a little bit more nuanced meaning. 00:03:53.460 --> 00:03:57.490 And he's actually a pretty smart person, he's one of my really close friends now, but he 00:03:57.490 --> 00:03:59.150 was like, you know, you're right. 00:03:59.150 --> 00:04:04.810 And the modern versions kind of destroy some of that distinct knowledge that's coming from 00:04:04.810 --> 00:04:11.170 the these and the thou, so it's definitely superior as far as an understanding perspective. 00:04:11.170 --> 00:04:16.270 Frankly, I don't even have a problem reading it, like at this point it sounds good too. 00:04:16.270 --> 00:04:20.810 I think maybe at first it's a little awkward, you know, and I'll admit that, but once you 00:04:20.810 --> 00:04:27.040 kind of read through the Bible a couple times, it really becomes just kind of part of your 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:28.020 understanding. 00:04:28.020 --> 00:04:29.480 I mean, most written documents are like this. 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.430 If you read a legal document, that is not how we talk. 00:04:33.430 --> 00:04:37.870 It's very formal, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily wrong or bad. 00:04:37.870 --> 00:04:43.050 And I think with the Bible itself, it's going to at times not necessarily sound exactly 00:04:43.050 --> 00:04:44.300 like we talk. 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:48.610 But I often catch myself listening to a preacher reading the King James Bible and thinking 00:04:48.610 --> 00:04:54.600 like, "Is he reading or is he just talking because it just sounds so good?" 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:59.040 And so I like the King James Bible language. 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.200 It sounds good. 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:06.560 And there's so many passages where I love it when the Apostle Paul wrote in Romans. 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:13.010 He's just answering the question and it just flows so beautifully that you feel like you're 00:05:13.010 --> 00:05:16.570 literally there and he's just having a conversation with you. 00:05:16.570 --> 00:05:17.570 Like, "What then? 00:05:17.570 --> 00:05:19.990 Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?" 00:05:19.990 --> 00:05:20.980 God forbid. 00:05:20.980 --> 00:05:25.070 He's just answering his own questions and it just flows so beautifully. 00:05:25.070 --> 00:05:26.060 Now fool. 00:05:26.060 --> 00:05:27.050 Yeah. 00:05:27.050 --> 00:05:29.510 In answer to the objector. 00:05:29.510 --> 00:05:30.490 The objector. 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:31.560 He brings up so many objectors. 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:32.540 Sure. 00:05:32.540 --> 00:05:33.520 And actually, that's how... 00:05:33.520 --> 00:05:34.500 Don't you think... 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:35.880 He had a lot of debates. 00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:41.270 When you read the text, it seems like Apostle Paul's constantly having contention and debates 00:05:41.270 --> 00:05:44.600 with people on these issues, because think about how many objections he's constantly 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:45.600 bringing up. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:47.830 I also think that's how we preach, though, too. 00:05:47.830 --> 00:05:49.010 You say, "I don't agree with that." 00:05:49.010 --> 00:05:50.000 Well, you know what? 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:50.980 Go find another church. 00:05:50.980 --> 00:05:51.970 You know what I mean? 00:05:51.970 --> 00:05:53.740 The you say objector. 00:05:53.740 --> 00:06:00.960 But obviously, I agree, and the thing with the language, too, is that there's this misconception 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:02.910 that the King James is using Old English. 00:06:02.910 --> 00:06:05.630 It's actually using Modern English. 00:06:05.630 --> 00:06:08.600 Old English you would not be able to understand at all. 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:10.500 That's like Beowulf. 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:17.040 That's really distinct in the way that it sounds, and it's unrecognizable. 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:23.970 What we speak is contemporary English, you and I, but the King James is written in Modern 00:06:23.970 --> 00:06:27.560 English, not Old English, so that's a misconception. 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.790 So I added a couple more speakers in here. 00:06:29.790 --> 00:06:32.350 Shout out to Tyndale, like the name. 00:06:32.350 --> 00:06:34.840 How's it going? 00:06:34.840 --> 00:06:35.770 Thank you. 00:06:35.770 --> 00:06:43.710 I'm a Baptist, I'm King James only, I'm from Canada, and I just wanted to like, yeah, 00:06:43.710 --> 00:06:44.830 pretty rare. 00:06:44.830 --> 00:06:51.910 I just want to address what Gerrit was asking or commenting, like was there something authoritative 00:06:51.910 --> 00:06:55.610 before 1611, and what was it? 00:06:55.610 --> 00:06:58.220 Roughly, I guess that's what he was saying. 00:06:58.220 --> 00:07:04.140 And one thing I want to remind people is that a lot of the language that we use today was 00:07:04.140 --> 00:07:10.610 actually defined by the King James, because if you think about it, at that time they didn't 00:07:10.610 --> 00:07:15.600 even have canonical spellings for words, right? 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:20.370 Like you could spell a word any way you like it and people would just have to accept it. 00:07:20.370 --> 00:07:25.130 Whereas now the King James, because of the King James Bible, because of its authoritative 00:07:25.130 --> 00:07:33.940 status in the English language, it basically created a spelling for English, you know? 00:07:33.940 --> 00:07:42.100 It's because of the King James Bible that we have canonical spellings for words. 00:07:42.100 --> 00:07:47.060 So I'm basically just trying to get at the point that, yeah, of course they had something 00:07:47.060 --> 00:07:57.140 authoritative back then, but they were writing a Bible for what people needed to read at 00:07:57.140 --> 00:07:58.180 the time, right? 00:07:58.180 --> 00:08:04.440 And it just so happens that after 400 years, it's stayed tried and true. 00:08:04.440 --> 00:08:11.170 Like, I really don't think English has changed that much in 400 years. 00:08:11.170 --> 00:08:16.120 I mean, of course you don't use these and those and whatever, but even at that time, 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:22.790 I think "the" and "thou" and "thine," those were sort of going out of style anyway. 00:08:22.790 --> 00:08:29.160 So anyway, yeah, that's just sort of my comment on what Jer had to say. 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:34.670 That's a good point about obviously our language has been really crafted by the King James. 00:08:34.670 --> 00:08:40.570 Many of our phrases, a lot of our terminology, key vocabulary is coming from the King James 00:08:40.570 --> 00:08:45.530 Bible and so that definitely makes a lot of sense. 00:08:45.530 --> 00:08:47.560 I added one other speaker, Wade. 00:08:47.560 --> 00:08:51.510 How's it going, Wade? 00:08:51.510 --> 00:08:52.500 Hey. 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:53.490 Thank you. 00:08:53.490 --> 00:08:58.190 Long time listener, first time caller I guess, but actually Wade is the stage name. 00:08:58.190 --> 00:09:00.450 My real name is Billy. 00:09:00.450 --> 00:09:01.800 It's going pretty good. 00:09:01.800 --> 00:09:09.990 Just wanted to kind of touch on, I guess, before the Word of God got completely refined 00:09:09.990 --> 00:09:16.670 in the King James, I mean a lot of people forget that we had soul winners. 00:09:16.670 --> 00:09:22.710 Early on they had Moses and the prophets, but how can I understand unless some man teach 00:09:22.710 --> 00:09:24.700 me, right? 00:09:24.700 --> 00:09:30.730 Before everything got refined in the King James, we still had people doing missions. 00:09:30.730 --> 00:09:35.920 We had people preaching, soul winning, so the word was also preserved just through word 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:40.910 of mouth, through exactly what we're commanded to do as well. 00:09:40.910 --> 00:09:46.730 That's a good point, and thanks for tuning in, thanks for calling in. 00:09:46.730 --> 00:09:54.710 We're just kind of doing an ad hoc live stream space here, and we're trying to even get 00:09:54.710 --> 00:09:59.780 it set up on Rumble too, but I've invited a couple other people that are going to possibly 00:09:59.780 --> 00:10:03.870 come a little bit later, and maybe we might change the topics, but I really like talking 00:10:03.870 --> 00:10:08.760 about the King James Bible right now, and it's such an impactful book. 00:10:08.760 --> 00:10:13.730 It's literally changed the course of history, and I've even heard people speak about this 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:19.730 like Jordan Peterson, and Jordan Peterson is kind of saying the reason why the King 00:10:19.730 --> 00:10:27.260 James Bible and the Bible is like the truth is because it kind of made itself the truth 00:10:27.260 --> 00:10:32.430 by just existing, like because it was the standard, it just kind of became the truth 00:10:32.430 --> 00:10:35.400 and just kind of came our worldview. 00:10:35.400 --> 00:10:37.560 You know, I think that's almost like a secular way of looking at it. 00:10:37.560 --> 00:10:39.520 I believe the King James Bible just is the truth. 00:10:39.520 --> 00:10:40.720 It's just that simple. 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:46.660 It's not like this overcomplicated idea that, well, because we wrote it and it's an early 00:10:46.660 --> 00:10:50.610 document, it just happens to be what we perceive as truth. 00:10:50.610 --> 00:10:54.200 I don't think it's just perceived as truth, I think it is truth. 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:00.150 And I don't really subscribe to this secular argumentation when it comes to the Bible of 00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:02.270 trying to prove everything with logic. 00:11:02.270 --> 00:11:05.250 To me, sometimes it's just by faith, of course. 00:11:05.250 --> 00:11:10.420 And of course I believe the King James Bible is the word of God and ultimately that's my 00:11:10.420 --> 00:11:13.090 final reasoning for accepting it. 00:11:13.090 --> 00:11:17.480 But what's convenient and nice about it is that when you believe the King James Bible 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:22.290 is the word of God, you see how true that is in every aspect of our life. 00:11:22.290 --> 00:11:27.500 I actually did an interview with Dr. Stringer today for a new film project working on. 00:11:27.500 --> 00:11:32.410 It's called One Nation Under God and I'm really looking forward to this film project. 00:11:32.410 --> 00:11:37.650 We're going to talk about Christian heritage and Christian lineage and how our country 00:11:37.650 --> 00:11:45.560 was really just built on Christian principles and for a large portion of it, the King James 00:11:45.560 --> 00:11:49.580 Bible, of course the Geneva Bible is also influential for some of those early colonial 00:11:49.580 --> 00:11:54.840 settlers. And the Geneva is, you know, good in a lot of places. But ultimately, the King James 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:00.090 Bible greatly influenced this nation. Our nation is what it is because of the Bible specifically, 00:12:00.090 --> 00:12:06.520 and how we modeled our country after the language of the King James Bible. And that's what was 00:12:06.520 --> 00:12:13.460 studied. That's what people use to read, to write, for law, to study law, to understand the law, 00:12:13.460 --> 00:12:19.450 to build society, to build relationships. I mean, the reason why we love America so much is, 00:12:19.450 --> 00:12:24.600 honestly, because of the King James Bible. And I think that people have forgotten that the reason 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.170 why we like the things that we have today is because it really just ultimately came from the 00:12:28.170 --> 00:12:32.660 Bible. What is your thought about this project? And I know you're going to work on it with me. 00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:39.190 I think it's a very important project because it demonstrates that this leftist idea that America 00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:46.400 was always this secular state is completely false. And you're going to show that in this film. 00:12:46.400 --> 00:12:52.230 And I'm excited to help you work on it. But also, Pastor Shelley, just to throw it back at you, 00:12:52.230 --> 00:12:58.390 I'm curious about is there anything that you've unearthed so far in your research 00:12:58.390 --> 00:13:07.010 that surprised you at all about American history as it relates to Christianity? 00:13:07.010 --> 00:13:10.200 Was there anything at all that stuck out where you said, I didn't know that. Wow. 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:16.060 In terms of just how Christian America's roots truly are. 00:13:16.060 --> 00:13:24.360 You know, I mean, honestly, I feel like I'm learning every day. I think I'm still in the 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.750 research phase for this project. So, you know, to me, some of the coolest things that I've learned 00:13:28.750 --> 00:13:36.480 is just like Pennsylvania, specifically, you had to profess faith in Jesus Christ to be and hold 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:42.010 any political office. Additionally, Rhode Island, I didn't I learned this today in the interview with 00:13:42.010 --> 00:13:49.760 Dr. Stringer, that specifically Rhode Island also had the exact same statute. And so I think that 00:13:49.760 --> 00:13:55.060 that's just that's really unique. And I think a lot of people don't understand that. And so to me, 00:13:55.060 --> 00:14:04.430 it's really important to explain how our nation had really like Christian laws. And so, you know, 00:14:04.430 --> 00:14:08.600 I think it's crazy that people think that we're a secular nation. But I've had people literally 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:15.300 tell me that. Well, sure. I actually I work in law enforcement. And I've worked in two states, 00:14:15.300 --> 00:14:21.830 South Carolina and Kentucky. And we had laws on the books that were based on Christian principles, 00:14:21.830 --> 00:14:26.290 laws against sodomy, against homosexuality, and they were still in the books. And yeah, 00:14:26.290 --> 00:14:32.440 this was I went through the police academy in 2007. They actually showed us these laws and said, 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:36.160 Yeah, but you can't enforce them because it's a violation of their rights. And it's like, 00:14:36.160 --> 00:14:39.950 why are they still in the books then? But they're still they were still there, you know, then. 00:14:39.950 --> 00:14:49.920 Yeah. And, you know, I think that people get confused because of this concept, which is not 00:14:49.920 --> 00:14:55.690 in the Constitution. It's a interpretation, this, you know, separation of church and state. 00:14:55.690 --> 00:15:04.410 And they even the First Amendment itself, they think somehow discredits the idea that Christianity 00:15:04.410 --> 00:15:09.750 is what America was founded on. And it's what made America great. And, you know, people talk about 00:15:09.750 --> 00:15:14.350 make America great again. Well, in my mind, you cannot make America great again until you make 00:15:14.350 --> 00:15:20.140 America Christian again. And we go back to the values that put this country on the map to begin 00:15:20.140 --> 00:15:26.320 with. So, to me, that's what I get a little frustrated because there's all this fervor 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:31.150 politically. And that's fine, you know, if you want to be into that stuff. But don't forget, 00:15:31.150 --> 00:15:33.810 if you're going to get into politics and be all political and things like that, 00:15:33.810 --> 00:15:39.580 don't forget what actually will solve the problem, the Lord Jesus Christ, and getting back to 00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:46.180 the Bible as our authority as a society, because how in the hell could you have a country that 00:15:46.180 --> 00:15:52.870 accomplishes anything when half the nation literally believes in giving puberty blockers 00:15:52.870 --> 00:16:00.410 to their children? You can't, there's no unity. You can't have that. I know it's not necessarily 00:16:00.410 --> 00:16:03.980 half the country. Well, what about, what about satanists? I brought this up in our discussion. 00:16:03.980 --> 00:16:08.300 Satanists say that their religious liberty is to have abortions and to murder children. 00:16:08.300 --> 00:16:14.400 So how is that? How can I have my religious liberties and them have their religious liberties? 00:16:14.400 --> 00:16:18.050 They're incongruent. They're incompatible. How can, how about a Muslim? They're supposed 00:16:18.050 --> 00:16:22.770 to be able to have four wives. That contradicts American law. And you know, this is the interesting 00:16:22.770 --> 00:16:27.080 thing that we kind of teased out, but it's like, is there really such a thing as a law that's not 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.490 religious? And you know, from my viewpoint, there isn't, there's no such thing as a non-religious 00:16:32.490 --> 00:16:40.190 law because they're all coming from a framework of morality that's based on your belief system. 00:16:40.190 --> 00:16:45.740 And for the beginning of our country, our belief system as a nation, as a group of people was the 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:51.710 Bible is the word of God. That's where we should draw our laws from, not just mob rule, not just 00:16:51.710 --> 00:16:57.480 this dictator is going to tell us what the rules are, Kim Jong-ul, not just, well, this is what so 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:03.320 and so did before but we're saying the King James Bible is our rule set and whether you like it or 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:09.540 not it was the most successful that we've ever seen in human history as far as providing individual 00:17:09.540 --> 00:17:14.710 liberty and providing individual prosperity. Of course there's still nations today like communist 00:17:14.710 --> 00:17:19.480 nations that have some level of strength and they have military might and they have some power but 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:24.730 they have no individual prosperity and they have no individual freedom. China, North Korea, 00:17:26.080 --> 00:17:31.140 you know, look at all these different areas where there's no Christianity, there's no really 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:36.520 individual liberty. Obviously there's some people that are better off in a caste system like in India 00:17:36.520 --> 00:17:42.560 or at the top of the communist pyramid but generally speaking it's kind of awful for the 00:17:42.560 --> 00:17:47.400 vast majority of the population. Whereas you could argue that for a lot of America's history the 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:52.320 general populace has it pretty good and they have the opportunity to even make those changes and 00:17:52.320 --> 00:17:59.830 that the decisions that they make can essentially the manifest destiny can control their future. 00:17:59.830 --> 00:18:05.710 And so you know I think that's just a testimony to how the King James Bible and the word of God 00:18:05.710 --> 00:18:11.900 is truth and even if you didn't believe it you'd have to say well even if it's not the truth it's 00:18:11.900 --> 00:18:17.450 the best truth that's out there. If anything's true it's going to be that and so you know I 00:18:17.450 --> 00:18:21.890 think that was really impactful. I really like the conversation. I'm glad to hear that because I 00:18:21.890 --> 00:18:25.550 wasn't there so I don't know how it went. Oh it went great. You're going to love some of the 00:18:25.550 --> 00:18:30.980 sound bites of this discussion. Awesome. That's really great to hear. Yeah I'm excited about 00:18:30.980 --> 00:18:37.010 this project. I want to add to what you said. You had said our laws essentially are derived from 00:18:37.010 --> 00:18:43.530 scripture okay and that they ought to be derived from scripture. Absolutely. Well doesn't it make 00:18:43.530 --> 00:18:51.940 sense Pastor Shelley for there to be an external referent beyond humanity an external arbiter 00:18:51.940 --> 00:19:00.150 by which we can adjudicate between two competing moral precepts. There has to be something beyond 00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:04.610 humanity by which something like that can occur. Well if you're an atheist you don't believe that 00:19:04.610 --> 00:19:08.320 of course but then there's no such thing as morality it's just simply whatever I want I win. 00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:13.790 It's subjective. It's just it's selfishness. Selfishness is the rule of law and it's whoever 00:19:13.790 --> 00:19:18.400 is the biggest the strongest. It's basically evolutionary teaching that the strongest will 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:25.250 survive whether that's mentally physically whatever is but by that means but the strong 00:19:25.250 --> 00:19:30.720 will adapt and survive and the weak will perish and you know that's just not congruent with 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:35.760 what we see in the world you know this is I want to go to 1611 populace here in a moment 00:19:35.760 --> 00:19:41.760 because we added him as a speaker but before I get there just just play out this rabbit 00:19:41.760 --> 00:19:45.180 troll with me for a second and and I think you could this is the person I want to talk 00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:51.680 to about this and I was thinking about this evolutionary teaching is that everything slowly 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:58.800 adapts over time and that they have quote beneficial mutations to help them survive 00:19:58.800 --> 00:20:06.380 and so we see like slow adaptations and changes over time to you know to eventually combine 00:20:06.380 --> 00:20:11.270 into maybe a major change right and then so they would say like rocks turned into promoted 00:20:11.270 --> 00:20:16.080 promodial soup and soup turned into bacteria and then bacteria turned into some small 00:20:16.080 --> 00:20:20.390 organism and those small organisms turned into fish and those fish turned into mammals 00:20:20.390 --> 00:20:24.250 and those mammals you know amphibians maybe and they came out of the water and then they 00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:30.850 grew wings and all this stuff right and I was just thinking like what about popcorn 00:20:30.850 --> 00:20:36.420 and I was just thinking like at what point did corn decide that having the beneficial 00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:41.200 mutation of that when corn kernels get really hot they turn into delicious popcorn like 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:48.670 why did it that evolve you know and I'm just like to me popcorn is just such an obvious 00:20:48.670 --> 00:20:55.910 clear example of the fact that God created the world and that he created amazing interesting 00:20:55.910 --> 00:21:01.160 things like corn that not only is corn just delicious and you could turn it in I mean 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:05.190 corn you can just eat right corn then you can also grind up into meal and you could 00:21:05.190 --> 00:21:11.230 make corn meal and that corn meal then you can make tortillas and breads and all cornbread 00:21:11.230 --> 00:21:16.090 all kinds of different things not only that you can literally just heat up a corn kernel 00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:23.100 to the point where it pops into delicious popcorn like how is that not just amazing 00:21:23.100 --> 00:21:27.740 that that exists and I'm just thinking like how could I ever think that popcorn was just 00:21:27.740 --> 00:21:32.610 sitting there thinking like you know what I just need to turn myself into popcorn eventually 00:21:32.610 --> 00:21:37.670 to you know adapt over time or something like there's just no way because in order for it 00:21:37.670 --> 00:21:42.970 to even do that it's dead like it didn't even know that that was going to happen necessarily 00:21:42.970 --> 00:21:46.520 and it was probably by accident that mankind even discovered like they were cooking corn 00:21:46.520 --> 00:21:51.740 too hard or threw it in fire on accident and it popped they're like what was that and then 00:21:51.740 --> 00:21:59.030 they're like oh man this is awesome like popcorn like am I just crazy or was I just being like 00:21:59.030 --> 00:22:04.090 a little over the top or am I just like isn't popcorn just like an interesting testimony 00:22:04.090 --> 00:22:06.590 to how it's not evolution it's basically special creation? 00:22:06.590 --> 00:22:13.240 Yeah I think it shows the creativity of the Lord Jesus Christ our creator who created 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:19.360 the world that something like popcorn exists and I also think it shows that it wasn't 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:28.220 an accident that it wasn't some sort of genetic accident that somehow it just so happens by 00:22:28.220 --> 00:22:35.140 coincidence that when those kernels pop they create this very delicious snack. 00:22:35.140 --> 00:22:36.120 So I'm with you. 00:22:36.120 --> 00:22:39.600 Right like they'll talk about microevolution and they'll say like certain animals that 00:22:39.600 --> 00:22:45.730 are prey that their fur coats maybe blend with the environment better and so they survived 00:22:45.730 --> 00:22:49.990 longer because the predators couldn't see them as well and they were able to escape 00:22:49.990 --> 00:22:56.500 and you can see how like maybe a certain type of bunny or deer their skin color or skin 00:22:56.500 --> 00:23:03.710 coat maybe was more like better than another one and so one population is kind of destroyed 00:23:03.710 --> 00:23:07.330 while the other one survives but I'm just like at what point was it like this corn produces 00:23:07.330 --> 00:23:12.110 popcorn like you know the corn was sitting here like we're not doing very hot as corn 00:23:12.110 --> 00:23:17.430 yeah but if we could make popcorn then people would like us I agree there would be no beneficial 00:23:17.430 --> 00:23:26.220 mutation there like popcorn wouldn't in my mind constitute a beneficial mutation I'm 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:29.560 with you I think I get where you're coming from there and I'm with you I don't know 00:23:29.560 --> 00:23:33.350 why I just thought that but that is a random thought like were you eating pot no no I was 00:23:33.350 --> 00:23:38.970 watching someone make popcorn on TV and it does it like I just thought of it okay so 00:23:38.970 --> 00:23:44.970 let's go to 1611 populace hey how's it going I'm going good I'm hoping you guys are having 00:23:44.970 --> 00:23:56.050 a great Sunday great always a great Sunday so there's some talking about kind of Christian 00:23:56.050 --> 00:24:02.620 history in America there's a couple of a really cool tidbits about a Baptist history that 00:24:02.620 --> 00:24:05.830 I kind of wanted to bring up and you've probably already studied I'm not a hundred percent 00:24:05.830 --> 00:24:12.990 sure but uh one talking about Rhode Island uh Roger Williams the guy who was the founder 00:24:12.990 --> 00:24:17.000 of Rhode Island was actually the founder of the First Baptist Church in America which 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:26.750 is always cool uh John Ganow uh pastor that baptized George Washington was a Baptist I 00:24:26.750 --> 00:24:33.640 don't think Washington ever identified as a Baptist but he uh he actually Ganow founded 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.030 several Baptist churches in the Virginia area and actually uh crossed the Delaware with 00:24:38.030 --> 00:24:43.340 Washington and he was a Baptist pastor and the other thing I kind of wanted to bring 00:24:43.340 --> 00:24:52.970 up is uh the trial of Patrick Henry and Lewis and Elijah Craig now that one uh so Lewis 00:24:52.970 --> 00:24:57.440 and Elijah Craig were two Baptist preachers in Virginia when it was an Anglican state 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:04.520 at the time and um they got arrested and charged with on the official Virginia state records 00:25:04.520 --> 00:25:09.150 of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ that was the crime they were charged with by the 00:25:09.150 --> 00:25:16.350 Anglican church so when they were in court a young lawyer kind of not known at the time 00:25:16.350 --> 00:25:24.010 named Patrick Henry was uh their defendant and that case he actually got them off scot-free 00:25:24.010 --> 00:25:30.330 and allow them to continue preaching in Virginia and that case is what jumpstarted Patrick 00:25:30.330 --> 00:25:37.410 Henry's career all the way up until the give me liberty or give me death pamphlet and that's 00:25:37.410 --> 00:25:39.210 kind of what I wanted to bring up. 00:25:39.210 --> 00:25:44.410 No I appreciate that I was looking up John Ganot while you were speaking because I don't 00:25:44.410 --> 00:25:45.400 know anything about him. 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.720 I definitely know a little bit about Roger Williams and I like that point. 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:55.350 So John Ganot according to Wikipedia he was actually raised a Presbyterian and his father 00:25:55.350 --> 00:26:01.200 was a descendant of French Calvinists but his mother was an English Baptist and then 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:06.820 he said after he got saved he became a Calvinist Baptist. 00:26:06.820 --> 00:26:13.050 He was ordained in New Jersey and he became the founding pastor of what became the first 00:26:13.050 --> 00:26:15.950 Baptist church in the city of New York. 00:26:15.950 --> 00:26:23.580 He was the pastor there until 1787 so he started in 1760 then to 1787. 00:26:23.580 --> 00:26:30.570 So definitely interesting, I don't know a lot about John Ganot but some good points. 00:26:30.570 --> 00:26:36.940 I also believe the first Baptist was John Smith, I think as accredited as that in England. 00:26:36.940 --> 00:26:43.270 I actually did a whole sermon on Christian, kind of like a Christian timeline of Baptist 00:26:43.270 --> 00:26:44.270 lineage. 00:26:44.270 --> 00:26:46.440 When was that? 00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:47.430 It was in Sansom Park. 00:26:47.430 --> 00:26:48.420 I don't think you had moved yet. 00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:49.410 No I haven't. 00:26:49.410 --> 00:26:50.400 To the church. 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:51.390 So I preached a whole sermon on this. 00:26:51.390 --> 00:26:52.380 Do you want to repreach that sometime? 00:26:52.380 --> 00:26:53.370 I probably need to. 00:26:53.370 --> 00:26:54.360 I'd like to. 00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:57.140 I actually went from the first Baptist to steadfast. 00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:58.080 And so I just kind of... 00:26:58.080 --> 00:26:59.110 Pretty cool. 00:26:59.110 --> 00:27:00.100 And like, here's the thing. 00:27:00.100 --> 00:27:03.920 There's a little bit of a viewpoint called Landmarkism or Baptist Briders. 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:04.910 What is that? 00:27:04.910 --> 00:27:05.910 I'm not sure, frankly. 00:27:05.910 --> 00:27:06.900 Yeah. 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:08.850 I don't really subscribe to this viewpoint, but it's this idea there's always been like 00:27:08.850 --> 00:27:14.480 this unbroken lineage of Baptist churches from John the Baptist to us. 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.920 And I don't really subscribe to that. 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.930 So each church begat the other one in an unbroken chain? 00:27:19.930 --> 00:27:21.150 Yeah. 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:22.130 Like obviously I believe in... 00:27:22.130 --> 00:27:23.100 Like salvation? 00:27:23.100 --> 00:27:24.080 I believe in the unbroken chain of salvation personal. 00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:26.750 But not with churches? 00:27:26.750 --> 00:27:27.850 Probably not. 00:27:27.850 --> 00:27:29.290 All right. 00:27:29.290 --> 00:27:32.890 And again, like from my viewpoint, there's probably been just a lot of different starting 00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:33.880 points. 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.010 Like there's been times where it kind of dwindled and then it kind of kickstarted, restarted. 00:27:38.010 --> 00:27:44.130 And so, you know, it's kind of a muddy history as far as how church congregations go. 00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:45.810 Are independent Baptists Protestants? 00:27:45.810 --> 00:27:48.630 See, that's a good question. 00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:50.920 And I would say no. 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.540 But it's kind of a complicated question because number one, I think you have to first say 00:27:54.540 --> 00:28:00.890 that Protestants are trying to reform the Catholic Church and I'm not trying to reform 00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:03.910 the Catholic Church, I'm rejecting the Catholic Church. 00:28:03.910 --> 00:28:09.410 But I believe that Protestantism came from a mixed multitude of people that wanted both. 00:28:09.410 --> 00:28:14.160 Some people kind of want to just reject and start over and then others wanted to reform. 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:19.820 So like the Puritans and the Calvinists, they kind of were like, "Let's start over." 00:28:19.820 --> 00:28:22.830 They basically said like everything the Catholic Church is doing is wrong. 00:28:22.830 --> 00:28:25.650 And then you kind of have like a lot of the reformers that are saying, "Well, the Anglican 00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:30.430 Church, the Catholic Church was off and we're going to kind of do it right." 00:28:30.430 --> 00:28:33.830 And of course you have the Great Schism way before this where you have the Greek Orthodox 00:28:33.830 --> 00:28:37.480 Church splitting from the Roman Catholics, but I'm just kind of focusing on what you 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:39.070 said about the Protestants. 00:28:39.070 --> 00:28:44.550 I would say that from that movement of Protestantism though came other people that were rejecting 00:28:44.550 --> 00:28:50.150 the Catholic Church as a whole, starting their own kind of churches and then they kind of 00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:51.730 slowly over time evolved. 00:28:51.730 --> 00:28:57.290 I don't want to re-preach a sermon in five seconds, but it's kind of like John Smith 00:28:57.290 --> 00:29:01.160 is coming from the Protestant movement, but he's not trying to reform the Catholic Church, 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.140 he's starting over. 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:05.090 You kind of have the Baptist movement starting. 00:29:05.090 --> 00:29:06.160 He brings it to America. 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.370 Roger Williams and others create some of the early American Baptist churches. 00:29:09.370 --> 00:29:12.390 There's about seven kind of in the early colonial times. 00:29:12.390 --> 00:29:14.880 They formed like an American Baptist Association. 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:19.880 That grew and then maybe in the 1800s, it was a big schism between the Northern and 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.790 Southern Baptist churches where the Southern Baptist Church separated from the Northern 00:29:23.790 --> 00:29:27.440 Baptist Churches over the issue of slavery and you have the Southern Baptist Movement. 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.180 Out of the Southern Baptist Movement though, you got to think about this. 00:29:29.180 --> 00:29:35.700 Jack Hiles was ordained as a pastor of a Southern Baptist Church and then he separated 00:29:35.700 --> 00:29:38.940 from the Southern Baptist Movement, became an independent Baptist and he's personally 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:45.710 started a lot of independent Baptist Churches in this country and our sending pastor, Pastor 00:29:45.710 --> 00:29:51.120 Steven Anderson was from Regency Baptist Church which kind of describes the landmark viewpoint 00:29:51.120 --> 00:29:55.810 but he also went to House Anderson influenced by Jack Hiles greatly so you could almost 00:29:55.810 --> 00:29:58.810 make this tie a loose tie of that. 00:29:58.810 --> 00:30:02.950 But I say this, it's like there's a lot of people who are raised Catholic and then they 00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:06.290 later get saved and leave the Catholic Church and become a Baptist. 00:30:06.290 --> 00:30:13.020 I wouldn't say that they are, their origin of their faith came from Catholicism, right? 00:30:13.020 --> 00:30:16.510 Even though they were a Catholic at one point, that's not the origin. 00:30:16.510 --> 00:30:19.400 Their origin was when they believed in Jesus Christ and they got saved, when they kind 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.030 of rejected the Catholic Church. 00:30:21.030 --> 00:30:24.710 So I'd almost say like, our lineage is from like a rejection of the Catholic Church, not 00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:29.330 from that as our source, if that's kind of a fair way to put it. 00:30:29.330 --> 00:30:35.890 Well, I think when you parallel an individual getting saved and leaving the Catholic Church, 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:39.240 that helps me comprehend better what you're describing there. 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:40.230 So that makes sense. 00:30:40.230 --> 00:30:43.750 Yeah, I think like a lot, you look at a lot of people that I look up to, like William 00:30:43.750 --> 00:30:50.080 Tindale, and again, in all fairness, the Catholic Church in the 1600s, the 1500s, the 1400s. 00:30:50.080 --> 00:30:51.430 There was a change. 00:30:51.430 --> 00:30:55.070 No, I'm just saying this, there's a lot of diversity of opinions. 00:30:55.070 --> 00:30:56.850 Why do you think they had the Council of Trent? 00:30:56.850 --> 00:31:01.190 It's because a lot of Catholic churches had deviated from Catholic teaching, and some 00:31:01.190 --> 00:31:04.830 Catholics are teaching salvation by faith, and some Catholics are teaching it's by works, 00:31:04.830 --> 00:31:09.270 and so then they come together, create the Council of Trent, and condemn justification 00:31:09.270 --> 00:31:10.260 by faith. 00:31:10.260 --> 00:31:11.260 Gotcha. 00:31:11.260 --> 00:31:13.520 Why is it that William Tindale's literally burned at the stake for believing in justification 00:31:13.520 --> 00:31:17.130 by faith, and he's a former Catholic priest? 00:31:17.130 --> 00:31:21.160 It's because some Catholics were actually getting saved and reading their Bible and 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.580 realizing like, "Whoa, the Catholic Church is screwed up on this." 00:31:25.580 --> 00:31:30.130 And so I believe that there's plenty of people that had gotten saved, but back then the Catholic 00:31:30.130 --> 00:31:31.790 Church is part of the state. 00:31:31.790 --> 00:31:42.280 So you can't really ignore the Catholic Church because it's part of society, almost. 00:31:42.280 --> 00:31:43.710 It's part of the government. 00:31:43.710 --> 00:31:44.810 You know what I mean? 00:31:44.810 --> 00:31:46.730 So I want to go back to Jared here. 00:31:46.730 --> 00:31:49.080 I'll let you ask another question here. 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:54.190 I don't know if we answered or satisfied your question earlier, but thanks 1611 for your 00:31:54.190 --> 00:31:55.170 thoughts there. 00:31:55.170 --> 00:31:59.210 Jared, what would you want to say? 00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:02.400 Yeah, great conversation. 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:10.140 Yeah, your answers that you provided earlier to my question were clarifying, but I did 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:14.880 have a follow-up about the King James Bible, if that's okay? 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.680 Yes, please go for it. 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:25.620 Okay, yeah, so it sounds like your position is that you can still have an authoritative 00:32:25.620 --> 00:32:36.750 text even allowing for some amount of variation based on what I heard you saying about the 00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:43.890 prior English translations and referring to even some other previous translations saying 00:32:43.890 --> 00:32:46.870 they still have an authoritative source. 00:32:46.870 --> 00:32:56.990 So you guys aren't so hardcore that it has to be 100%, these words, some amount of variation 00:32:56.990 --> 00:33:01.470 is acceptable and you can still have an authoritative source. 00:33:01.470 --> 00:33:04.940 Yes, of course. 00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:10.790 Okay, all right, well that seems more reasonable to me than some other positions that I've 00:33:10.790 --> 00:33:13.530 heard on KJVO. 00:33:13.530 --> 00:33:22.140 So would you guys be, how would you feel about somebody using the new King James? 00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:28.350 Well here's the thing, in our documentary, The Preserved Bible, we kind of tried to address 00:33:28.350 --> 00:33:33.740 this distinction between King James onlyus, because some King James onlyus, which we kind 00:33:33.740 --> 00:33:39.000 of label, and sometimes they label themselves as a Rukmanite, they would say that you can't 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.090 alter anything in the King James Bible without it corrupting the text. 00:33:44.090 --> 00:33:49.010 And that would mean like replacing a word that's a synonym or even changing word order 00:33:49.010 --> 00:33:50.600 or sometimes even spellings. 00:33:50.600 --> 00:33:53.780 They get that crazy and we don't really subscribe to that. 00:33:53.780 --> 00:33:59.830 I would say as long as the text is communicating the exact same thing and you're not missing 00:33:59.830 --> 00:34:07.220 any words from the original text in far as meaning is concerned, then I believe it's 00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:08.210 still the word of God. 00:34:08.210 --> 00:34:11.660 And that's what the translators to the reader communicated and I agree with that. 00:34:11.660 --> 00:34:14.230 Obviously, when you're translating from one language to another, you're never going to 00:34:14.230 --> 00:34:16.010 have a word for word match. 00:34:16.010 --> 00:34:20.820 And so, sometimes it may be three words on one language, it's four words in another. 00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:24.750 But you're not necessarily removing a word or adding a word, you're communicating the 00:34:24.750 --> 00:34:25.750 exact same thing. 00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:26.740 Or idioms even. 00:34:26.740 --> 00:34:30.490 Yeah, just sometimes the message has to be communicated in different words. 00:34:30.490 --> 00:34:34.890 When you look at a Tyndale, Bishops and King James, it sometimes uses a little bit different 00:34:34.890 --> 00:34:38.440 language or synonyms, but it says the exact same thing. 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:44.330 You're never going to be thinking something different based on either verse construction. 00:34:44.330 --> 00:34:48.320 And then ultimately, I would say they're both the Word of God and they're both authoritative. 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:52.920 When it comes to the new King James, there is a few places where the new King James, 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.730 I believe, departs from the text or septus, departs from the King James, and says something 00:34:56.730 --> 00:34:58.910 different than the King James. 00:34:58.910 --> 00:35:01.240 And so that's what I take offense with. 00:35:01.240 --> 00:35:04.520 The new King James is pretty faithful to the King James, and I grew up on the new King 00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:05.510 James. 00:35:05.510 --> 00:35:10.910 But there are, in my opinion, several places where it's very importantly different. 00:35:10.910 --> 00:35:17.270 Like Matthew 7, I believe it's verse 14, it says specifically in the King James that narrow 00:35:17.270 --> 00:35:21.380 is the way which leads to the life, and the new King James says it's difficult. 00:35:21.380 --> 00:35:26.820 And if you look at John MacArthur's study Bible, it explicitly states that salvation 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:28.570 is difficult. 00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:31.480 And the King James does not communicate that message. 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.110 It communicates that it's a one way, because there's only one way to heaven is through 00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:35.820 Jesus Christ by faith alone. 00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:37.650 But it's not difficult, it's easy. 00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:41.880 And John MacArthur believes it's hard and difficult because he believes it works salvation 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.860 and because he's not saved and he's a heretic. 00:35:44.860 --> 00:35:48.090 And so, you know, I don't believe people should use the New King James. 00:35:48.090 --> 00:35:52.140 I grew up in a church that was New King James only, if you can believe that. 00:35:52.140 --> 00:35:55.030 But yeah, it's kind of interesting. 00:35:55.030 --> 00:35:58.360 But you know, I believe the King James is superior. 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.180 It's the accurate preserved translation. 00:36:00.180 --> 00:36:04.740 And look, if the New King James said the same thing, I wouldn't really fight against it. 00:36:04.740 --> 00:36:08.080 It's just it really does say a lot of different things in a lot of different places. 00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:13.890 First Corinthians 1.18 also says that you're being saved as opposed to you are saved. 00:36:13.890 --> 00:36:15.040 I actually have a whole list of this. 00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:20.060 If you go to GodResource.com, you go to KJV, and then you go to comparison chart, I have 00:36:20.060 --> 00:36:26.810 a complete comparison chart with over 70 or 80 examples of discrepancies between the NIV, 00:36:26.810 --> 00:36:29.450 New American Standard, New King James, and the King James. 00:36:29.450 --> 00:36:34.200 And it explains the diverse differences and why I think that they're an issue. 00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:35.300 And that's just a small list. 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:36.290 There's way more than that. 00:36:36.290 --> 00:36:41.040 There are plenty of other websites that are great and talk about this issue as well. 00:36:41.040 --> 00:36:46.950 So the differences that you're okay with are just synonym differences. 00:36:46.950 --> 00:36:55.300 So if there was a verse that's actually communicated something slightly different, then... 00:36:55.300 --> 00:37:01.800 So you're saying that all the previous English versions that you guys would consider acceptable, 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:03.260 they all say the same thing. 00:37:03.260 --> 00:37:04.870 They just use different words. 00:37:04.870 --> 00:37:08.980 There aren't any verses that say something slightly different. 00:37:08.980 --> 00:37:13.210 No, there's a few differences, and I think that's where the refining process comes in. 00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:17.630 The King James obviously needed to be done because there was some imperfections. 00:37:17.630 --> 00:37:20.790 There was a few places where maybe it didn't line up with the Greek and the Hebrew correctly 00:37:20.790 --> 00:37:22.220 and it needed to be corrected. 00:37:22.220 --> 00:37:25.010 And so I think that that's why you did... 00:37:25.010 --> 00:37:28.740 To me, the reason why we wouldn't use the King James is we noticed there is still some 00:37:28.740 --> 00:37:32.100 issues and we need to refine the text one more time. 00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:36.370 But as Ronald Reagan famously said, it has been gotten right. 00:37:36.370 --> 00:37:43.500 So it's been gotten right, we've got it, we don't need to update it anymore. 00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:48.100 Unless English evolved to a language that's completely different, we're good. 00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:51.150 Now again, if it evolved to a different language, then it's a different language. 00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.000 I mean, have a different language Bible. 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.350 But I think that English itself is settled. 00:37:56.350 --> 00:38:01.210 King James Bible, it's settled, we'll never need to change, we never need to update it. 00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:04.350 And that would be the case with any language, if there's a new language that came out, I 00:38:04.350 --> 00:38:09.460 wouldn't necessarily expect the first translation to come out is always necessarily dialed in. 00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:12.460 Maybe it does take a few refinements. 00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:15.480 And especially considering the heritage of the King James Bible because many of the men 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.540 translating it were on the run for their life, they were fighting against the Catholic Church, 00:38:19.540 --> 00:38:22.810 they were having to do it in secret, maybe by themselves. 00:38:22.810 --> 00:38:27.730 And it wasn't really until the King James translation where you got 50 plus scholars 00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:31.620 all sitting around together, taking seven years, taking their time and dialing it in, 00:38:31.620 --> 00:38:36.330 and I think that's why it got dialed in at the time that it did. 00:38:36.330 --> 00:38:40.430 And again, if a New King James or a modern version says the same thing, I'm not going 00:38:40.430 --> 00:38:41.820 to argue with it. 00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:44.460 It's just that there's plenty of places where it doesn't say the same thing, and that's 00:38:44.460 --> 00:38:45.450 what I get mad about. 00:38:45.450 --> 00:38:46.440 Yeah. 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:52.120 And just a few more examples in the King James Bible, it says, "Obstain from all appearance 00:38:52.120 --> 00:38:53.400 of evil." 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.110 The New King James says-- 00:38:55.110 --> 00:38:57.000 Rejects every evil. 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:02.290 It says, "Obstain from every form of evil," which is essentially what you're saying. 00:39:02.290 --> 00:39:08.730 And then you have in the book of Hebrews, it says in the King James Bible, Hebrews 2, 00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:12.590 16, "For verily, he took not on him the nature of angels." 00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:16.970 The New King James says, "For indeed, he does not give aid to angels." 00:39:16.970 --> 00:39:18.890 So these are two different concepts. 00:39:18.890 --> 00:39:22.090 Obviously, we have major issues with Matthew 7, 14. 00:39:22.090 --> 00:39:26.290 We have issues with 1 Corinthians 1, 18, but those are just some other examples of 00:39:26.290 --> 00:39:31.920 the New King James saying something that is completely different or even the opposite 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.550 of what the King James Bible says. 00:39:33.550 --> 00:39:37.290 So here's the thing about the New King James that I think confuses people. 00:39:37.290 --> 00:39:43.570 It does claim to translate from the same source text as the King James Bible, the received 00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:44.780 text of scripture. 00:39:44.780 --> 00:39:53.650 However, it often deviates from the received text and in doing so, agrees with the other 00:39:53.650 --> 00:39:55.610 modern versions. 00:39:55.610 --> 00:39:56.600 That's the first thing. 00:39:56.600 --> 00:40:01.830 The second thing about the New King James is that it includes, in the marginal notes, 00:40:01.830 --> 00:40:08.370 it includes notes that cast doubt on the text and tell you what the critical text says. 00:40:08.370 --> 00:40:12.150 It tells you what UBS 5 and Nestle Allen's 28th edition says. 00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:14.460 Well, in all fairness, any Bible could do that. 00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:18.370 You could get a Scofield King James that has bad notes and you could buy a New King James 00:40:18.370 --> 00:40:19.370 that has no notes. 00:40:19.370 --> 00:40:21.680 So, I think the notes is a separate issue. 00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:25.360 But I agree with you that a lot of New King James have bad notes or the footnotes say 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.050 some really big discrepancies. 00:40:29.050 --> 00:40:37.350 And just to echo the sentiment, you know, if hypothetically there was a Bible that said 00:40:37.350 --> 00:40:42.470 the same thing as the King James Bible but it just updated the language, I wouldn't have 00:40:42.470 --> 00:40:43.660 a problem. 00:40:43.660 --> 00:40:45.210 I personally would not have a problem with it. 00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:47.230 But the New King James does not do that. 00:40:47.230 --> 00:40:52.420 It actually makes consequential changes that affect meaning and affect doctrine. 00:40:52.420 --> 00:40:54.190 And that's what our issue is. 00:40:54.190 --> 00:40:55.920 And they both can't be right. 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.620 Exactly. 00:40:57.620 --> 00:41:04.650 Do you think there's a way to interpret Matthew 7? 00:41:04.650 --> 00:41:12.920 So if it's translated wrong, right, if it should be narrow and not difficult, then that's 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:14.210 a good point. 00:41:14.210 --> 00:41:17.810 But I think even if you had difficult, I think there's a way to interpret that that would 00:41:17.810 --> 00:41:25.570 be consistent with other KJV texts like Acts 14 22 where it says, "Confirming the souls 00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:31.690 of the disciples and exhorting them to continue in the faith in that we must through much 00:41:31.690 --> 00:41:34.770 tribulation enter the kingdom of God." 00:41:34.770 --> 00:41:40.020 So I think most Baptists would hear that and say, "Yeah, I mean, living the Christian life 00:41:40.020 --> 00:41:47.100 is difficult and there's hardship and tribulation and being faithful to Christ is not easy. 00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:54.290 It's a difficult path and it's not necessarily saying that justification is difficult to 00:41:54.290 --> 00:41:55.270 receive." 00:41:55.270 --> 00:42:02.300 Yeah, exactly, but couldn't you interpret Matthew 7 that way and just say it's a difficult 00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:07.640 path to enter the kingdom of God, not saying that salvation itself is difficult. 00:42:07.640 --> 00:42:12.210 Well, that's the argument I usually hear and even like another passage that's similar 00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:17.650 to what you're describing is John 3.36 because in the King James it says, "He that believeth 00:42:17.650 --> 00:42:21.280 on the Son hath everlasting life," or "He that believeth on the Son hath life and he 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:32.940 that believeth not the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him." 00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:37.200 In the modern versions it doesn't say, "Believeth not," it says, "Obey." 00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:41.860 And then I've heard people say, "Well, you could just interpret that word obey as obey 00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:44.310 the gospel," meaning they didn't believe. 00:42:44.310 --> 00:42:49.300 And again, to me that's a cop-out because most of the people that subscribe to the modern 00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:52.790 versions and use this language end up interpreting it the other way. 00:42:52.790 --> 00:42:58.830 And I think that if obey means believe not, then let's just put believe not. 00:42:58.830 --> 00:43:05.230 And if the context of Matthew 7 is about salvation and going to heaven, then let's not put difficult, 00:43:05.230 --> 00:43:08.860 let's put narrow because that's what we're communicating. 00:43:08.860 --> 00:43:12.140 But even if it's a doctrinal issue, it doesn't really matter what the doctrine is, it just 00:43:12.140 --> 00:43:14.000 matters what the Greek text says. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.230 And I believe that the King James is faithful to what the Greek text says and these other 00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:20.210 ones don't. 00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:27.910 I want to go to another speaker here for a second, Baptist Meme, how's it going? 00:43:27.910 --> 00:43:30.060 Baptist Meme Factory, sorry. 00:43:30.060 --> 00:43:36.340 Howdy guys, long time listener, love your documentaries, just wanted to have a chance 00:43:36.340 --> 00:43:42.730 to say thank you before I go to bed, got to get up early in the morning. 00:43:42.730 --> 00:43:48.570 One quick comment though before I leave, you guys were talking about going to the English 00:43:48.570 --> 00:43:55.260 from the Hebrew and the Greek, I'd like to point out in Zephaniah chapter 3 verse 9, 00:43:55.260 --> 00:44:02.500 "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the 00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:07.780 name of the Lord to serve Him with one consent." 00:44:07.780 --> 00:44:14.790 Great verse, thanks so much for the opportunity. 00:44:14.790 --> 00:44:21.640 I love it, thank you very much Pastor Shelley for all of your documentaries, keep up the 00:44:21.640 --> 00:44:23.790 good work. 00:44:23.790 --> 00:44:32.650 It's just, to me, it's weird that a Bible is gonna supposedly translate from the TR, 00:44:32.650 --> 00:44:42.010 but then it's constantly appealing to the critical text and even, you know, I know you're 00:44:42.010 --> 00:44:48.540 not a fan of necessarily the talking point about the footnotes, but to me it just shows 00:44:48.540 --> 00:44:56.020 how it's still respecting the critical text and trying to tell you what it says and casting 00:44:56.020 --> 00:45:00.340 doubt on the actual text to tell you what the critical text, it's like I don't care 00:45:00.340 --> 00:45:04.510 what UBS-5 says or NA-28, you know what I mean? 00:45:04.510 --> 00:45:13.790 Well, I mean this issue is a big issue and I think that, you know, I love talking about 00:45:13.790 --> 00:45:18.590 the detail, but I think at the end of the day we have to just try and simplify it because 00:45:18.590 --> 00:45:21.360 most people aren't going to care about the nuance, aren't going to care about these 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:22.720 things. 00:45:22.720 --> 00:45:25.570 I think it's, let's just try to narrow it down to simplicity. 00:45:25.570 --> 00:45:26.960 Which TR? 00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:32.070 The King James Bible and modern versions don't say the same thing in every place. 00:45:32.070 --> 00:45:34.030 They both can't be right. 00:45:34.030 --> 00:45:39.000 The King James Bible has shown incredible fruit for the last 400 years. 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.270 The modern versions have shown all kinds of heresy. 00:45:42.270 --> 00:45:44.230 The modern church today is corrupt. 00:45:44.230 --> 00:45:46.300 It's filled with all kinds of degeneracy, freaks. 00:45:46.300 --> 00:45:51.620 I mean, think about like some of the people like Transformation Church with Todd, Michael 00:45:51.620 --> 00:45:52.830 Todd. 00:45:52.830 --> 00:45:57.600 Think about all the different craziness with Kenneth Copeland, T.D. 00:45:57.600 --> 00:46:01.260 Jakes, all kinds of different things that are going on. 00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:03.350 Life Church, Craig Groeschel. 00:46:03.350 --> 00:46:10.020 We have what other, there was somebody else that was really weird that oh yeah, Andy Stanley. 00:46:10.020 --> 00:46:12.680 This guy is just off the rails. 00:46:12.680 --> 00:46:13.760 I don't like him. 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:18.200 I mean, there's nothing to like about Andy Stanley and I think that the modern Bibles 00:46:18.200 --> 00:46:24.410 are just clearly evidencing bad fruit and that the King James is clearly evidencing 00:46:24.410 --> 00:46:29.160 good fruit and that's where we got our nation, our country, our prosperity, our blessing 00:46:29.160 --> 00:46:31.480 and we need to get back to that. 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.820 And they're always going to change, right, Pastor Shelley? Like you have to understand 00:46:36.820 --> 00:46:42.710 the modern versions are not done evolving because they're always coming up with new 00:46:42.710 --> 00:46:51.630 ways to change the text. In our film we talk about the four different text types that exist. 00:46:51.630 --> 00:46:55.280 Well that's going to be outdated very soon because now they've come up with a new digital 00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:01.340 form of text criticism that they have yet to apply to the Gospels and, Pastor, once 00:47:01.340 --> 00:47:10.160 they apply CBGM to the Gospels, would you agree that the amount of passages we fight 00:47:10.160 --> 00:47:15.520 over right now will grow exponentially? Like, they're going to cast down on a bunch more 00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:18.420 scriptures. 00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:22.970 I mean, it's tough to say because I think that a little bit the modern movement's kind 00:47:22.970 --> 00:47:28.880 of dying. I think that they're going to try, but I just don't know how well that's going 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:35.010 to be received. I don't know if it's actually going to catch on. I mean, think about the 00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:40.430 legacy standard Bible that just came out. Is it really going to catch on or is it just 00:47:40.430 --> 00:47:42.980 like a handful of James White sympathizers that are going to catch on? 00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:45.220 Yeah, I don't know. How popular is it? I'm not sure. 00:47:45.220 --> 00:47:50.020 Yeah, I just, I don't see the modern Bible version movement having much momentum is what 00:47:50.020 --> 00:47:54.800 I would say. So, I think that they might continue to try and undermine. I think what the future 00:47:54.800 --> 00:48:00.000 is and this is where what you brought up might come into play is AI. And if there ends up 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:07.110 coming like an AI Bible version or something, that's when it could get really weird and 00:48:07.110 --> 00:48:08.860 really hairy really quick. 00:48:08.860 --> 00:48:09.840 AI? 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.530 Yeah, I'm not even joking. 00:48:12.530 --> 00:48:14.090 The chat GBT version. 00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:20.570 Yeah, where you say like, what does this verse mean? And then it's just, it could be anything. 00:48:20.570 --> 00:48:22.990 And it could get, it could get to a point where people don't even know what the Bible 00:48:22.990 --> 00:48:26.720 is anymore because they're like, maybe they stop using versions and they just like start 00:48:26.720 --> 00:48:32.120 using an AI by like everybody's using this AI Bible. And it just, it's based on the CBD 00:48:32.120 --> 00:48:36.980 and it's just like, they just have no idea. And I mean, think about all the weird versions. 00:48:36.980 --> 00:48:40.450 Remember that Hawaiian pigeon version? I know you've preached on it. I'm just saying like, 00:48:40.450 --> 00:48:45.470 what if they, what if they make like AI's like, uh, I want you to change this verse to sound like 00:48:45.470 --> 00:48:53.080 Kanye West or something stupid like that. Like I think that that's the danger. I don't think that, 00:48:53.080 --> 00:48:57.310 I don't think that this there's going to be a lot more print Bibles that are going to make a big 00:48:57.310 --> 00:49:03.180 impact. If that makes sense. I think they're going to continue to try to come up with new ones, 00:49:03.180 --> 00:49:07.610 obviously, who knows if they'll catch on, but really just to add to what you were saying, 00:49:07.610 --> 00:49:14.550 there's a huge distinction, too, between the shifting sands of the critical text and the 00:49:14.550 --> 00:49:20.030 modern scholarship that undergirds it and the received text, because the received text 00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:26.440 is a rock. It is not changing. It's been the same for hundreds of years, whereas the critical text 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:33.150 is always evolving. That's why the Nestle Allen Greek New Testament is on its 28th edition. That 00:49:33.150 --> 00:49:38.830 illustrates my point right there. There you go. Whereas we're still using, you know, the 1894 00:49:38.830 --> 00:49:47.850 Scrivener. Let's, I really like this conversation, but I do want to, I want to try and change it 00:49:47.850 --> 00:49:56.740 just a little bit and see what your opinion is because last night, Stu Peters was trying to, 00:49:56.740 --> 00:50:00.520 I guess, I think it was last night. Yeah, last night, Stu Peters was trying to go to a Tucker 00:50:00.520 --> 00:50:07.310 event that he was invited to and he wanted to interview him for his film Occupied and it got, 00:50:07.310 --> 00:50:15.540 he got totally banned from the event. Did you hear about this? Yeah, I saw some ex-posts on it. 00:50:15.540 --> 00:50:25.520 It's too bad that that happened. At the same time, I'm not going to use it to attack Tucker 00:50:25.520 --> 00:50:33.510 Carlson necessarily because I don't have any proof that he, I haven't seen any proof that he's the 00:50:33.510 --> 00:50:40.050 one who ordered him to be kicked out or something like that. If it is, if that's the case, then 00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:45.640 that's negative for sure. But if it's his event, doesn't he have, doesn't he have a power to talk 00:50:45.640 --> 00:50:51.920 about that? If we're going to, if we're going to, if we're going to lay the responsibility at the 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:57.040 feet of Tucker Carlson, then I would say I disagree with that move from him. But at the same time, 00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:03.930 I think when people are starting to change on an issue, it's unrealistic to expect them to go from 00:51:03.930 --> 00:51:09.490 zero to a hundred overnight. So maybe he just needs a little time because, you know, there was a time 00:51:09.490 --> 00:51:15.740 when Tucker Carlson wouldn't talk to Alex Jones. Like he thought Alex Jones was too radical and crazy 00:51:15.740 --> 00:51:22.000 and now he goes on and does events with them all over the country. So it's like, I don't agree with 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.200 what he did if he was responsible, but I don't believe in attacking him for it because I think 00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:36.030 that he's slow, if he is slowly turning on the Jew issue, then I'm just going to give him space 00:51:36.030 --> 00:51:42.390 to make that transition and hope that he'll get more hardcore as the years go by. 00:51:42.390 --> 00:51:46.280 But here's the thing. Am I making sense or do you get what I'm saying? 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:53.760 Yes, but at the same time, isn't it giving liberty to communism? Because in the sense that... 00:51:53.760 --> 00:52:00.640 I'm not going to defend it. I don't like it. If every person just says we're going to talk 00:52:00.640 --> 00:52:05.050 about it, what are they going to do? Are they going to ban everybody? Are they going to literally 00:52:05.050 --> 00:52:09.890 just censor every single talking head? That's not a good look. And if they are, they were going to 00:52:09.890 --> 00:52:17.030 anyways, or it was already happening. So why not just everybody talk about it? 00:52:17.030 --> 00:52:23.590 I mean, I agree with that 100%. I just think that if Tucker did that, if he's the one responsible, 00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:31.840 it just it just shows that he's not quite there yet. He's just not quite fully on board with the 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.630 anti-Jew stuff yet. I know I kind of changed topics here a little bit, but I'm curious, 00:52:35.630 --> 00:52:46.230 Wade, did you want to comment on that or Jared again? No, to tell you the truth, actually, 00:52:46.230 --> 00:52:51.770 I got booted out. I think I dropped service. And so when I came back, my mic was off. But 00:52:51.770 --> 00:52:56.410 I'm actually not familiar with Stu Peters. I mean, I know, you know, Tucker, obviously, but 00:52:56.410 --> 00:53:02.630 I'm not familiar with who's Stu Peters is. Yeah, he he has his own like kind of network. I don't 00:53:02.630 --> 00:53:08.600 exactly know him outside of his own network. I actually was introduced to him because of the 00:53:08.600 --> 00:53:13.500 died suddenly film. I think that's the first time I ever heard anything about him. Did you did you 00:53:13.500 --> 00:53:21.020 know anything about him prior to the died suddenly? Yeah, I don't I didn't know much about the guy. 00:53:21.020 --> 00:53:27.790 I'm not. You watch the documentary? I'm not super familiar with him. I did not watch died suddenly 00:53:27.790 --> 00:53:34.810 because there was images there I didn't want to see. I'm sure it was a great film, but. I thought 00:53:34.810 --> 00:53:38.350 it was pretty powerful. Yeah, I didn't know a lot about him prior to that film. Definitely a lot 00:53:38.350 --> 00:53:44.520 about him. I don't agree with everything he puts out, but I do think that on the Jew issue he's 00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:53.070 definitely got some good things to say. Have you seen the trailer for his occupied film? Yeah, 00:53:53.070 --> 00:53:56.940 I believe so. Yeah, I've seen it. It looks pretty good. That does look good. That does look good. 00:53:56.940 --> 00:54:02.750 It looks like he's gonna get in some hot water. You know this better than anyone. I mean, if you 00:54:02.750 --> 00:54:09.970 approach that topic at all, you're going to get persecution for it. It's like when it comes to 00:54:09.970 --> 00:54:17.360 radioactive subject matter, it's the homosexuals, it's Jews. You know, those are the two that you 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:24.670 really can't touch without getting persecuted. And evidently amongst fundamental Baptist circles, 00:54:24.670 --> 00:54:27.760 the timing of the rapture, but that's a different topic for a different time. 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:28.870 Oh, yeah. 00:54:28.870 --> 00:54:32.040 And that's what I just real quick to bring it back to Dr. Stringer. That's what I appreciate 00:54:32.040 --> 00:54:38.060 so much about him is that in spite of our doctrinal differences, he treats us like 00:54:38.060 --> 00:54:48.590 brothers in Christ. And pastor, do you share just that enthusiasm that I have to just say, 00:54:48.590 --> 00:54:53.190 you know what, it's okay that we disagree. We don't have to hate each other. 00:54:53.190 --> 00:55:02.430 I try my best to not hate people unless I have to. And this is what I kind of said to Dr. Stringer, 00:55:02.430 --> 00:55:09.290 I said, I want to be friend, like your best friend and your worst enemy in the sense that, 00:55:09.290 --> 00:55:17.300 you know, I want to be somebody that is a friend to you no matter what, if you're in that category. 00:55:17.300 --> 00:55:23.140 But you know, if you're a reprobate, like I don't even want to try to pretend. You know what I mean? 00:55:23.740 --> 00:55:29.540 So like I think there's a lot of fakeness out there and I kind of am stealing that talking point 00:55:29.540 --> 00:55:36.320 from a former boss that I had, but he would always say, in the banking world, he would say, 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:43.180 you know, I'm going to be your best lender or your worst lender as if you pay. And you know, 00:55:43.180 --> 00:55:48.470 like I appreciate that attitude, right? And I think we should be the best Baptist friend out there 00:55:48.470 --> 00:55:56.100 and we should be the meanest, most hateful, bigoted, you know, preacher out there too, 00:55:56.100 --> 00:56:01.270 like to the enemy. Yeah, because there's tears amongst the wheat and we got to contend against 00:56:01.270 --> 00:56:05.150 somebody. There's somebody that we're fighting. So you can't be on everybody. You can't be Joel 00:56:05.150 --> 00:56:10.970 Osteen and be like, of course, I'm for everybody. Yeah, of course. But you know what, with America 00:56:10.970 --> 00:56:17.800 being destroyed with all these disgusting filthy faggots and the Jews and the destruction of our 00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:23.210 culture today and just all these depraved people out there shoving their filth down our throats, 00:56:23.210 --> 00:56:30.000 my issue is not somebody having a difference of opinion with me on the timing of the rapture. 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.380 I'm not saying that obviously all doctrine is important, but at the same time, you know, 00:56:35.380 --> 00:56:43.640 cutting fellowship with someone over a secondary issue in my mind is just counterproductive when 00:56:43.640 --> 00:56:50.490 we're all under attack by the same enemy. And what's wrong with America today goes far beyond 00:56:50.490 --> 00:56:58.340 people being screwed up on some Bible prophecy or the finer points of Bible prophecy. That's my point. 00:56:58.340 --> 00:57:03.360 Well, not even just end times Bible prophecy. I mean, there's a lot of subjects that people 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:08.860 get upset about. Like, there's a lot of Baptists that won't fellowship over communion, open or 00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:14.530 closed communion. And it's just like, you know, it's just crazy. Like, I think that we need to 00:57:14.530 --> 00:57:18.510 just have more of a mentality of like, we're going to talk with all kinds of people, even 00:57:18.510 --> 00:57:23.110 non-Baptists. Like, I'm still going to talk with them. You know, to me, like, I think we sometimes 00:57:23.110 --> 00:57:30.500 can be over do the separation aspect. It's like, to me, Sunday morning, I am going to separate 00:57:30.500 --> 00:57:35.580 and I'm going to be an independent fundamental Baptist and we're King James only and we're 00:57:35.580 --> 00:57:40.790 hardcore soul winning, we're hard preaching. But you know, when I leave the pulpit and I leave the 00:57:40.790 --> 00:57:45.510 church building, I hope that it's different because Jesus Christ literally says that he doesn't want 00:57:45.510 --> 00:57:50.150 to keep us from the world. He wants us to keep us from the evil. How could you argue that you're 00:57:50.150 --> 00:57:55.670 going back to the world if you're never interacting with people that aren't like you exactly? I mean, 00:57:55.670 --> 00:58:00.070 if I'm interacting with people exactly like me, that's like fellowship in church. When I'm 00:58:00.070 --> 00:58:03.960 interacting with people that are not like me, that's me going out into the world. That's me 00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:09.020 earnestly contending for the faith. That's me in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves. 00:58:09.020 --> 00:58:13.690 Let's prevent your God, give them, you know, repentance, acknowledging of the truth, right? 00:58:13.690 --> 00:58:18.350 So to me, like, I think that there's a time and a place to just go out there and just talk to 00:58:18.350 --> 00:58:23.820 anybody, everybody, be friendly, be kind, be relevant in the culture, which I mean, 00:58:23.820 --> 00:58:32.220 I mean, Jesus was a was heard among the gladly heard among the common people, right? So sadly, 00:58:32.220 --> 00:58:38.300 a lot of fundamental Baptists are not relevant. And they're older, and they're dying about this 00:58:38.300 --> 00:58:43.110 in general. Southern Baptists, they're trying to be culturally relevant. You know, this was sad. 00:58:43.110 --> 00:58:46.270 The Southern Baptists are trying to be relevant, but you know who they're trying to be relevant to? 00:58:46.270 --> 00:58:53.840 Democrats. To like Satan, Satan worshipping, abortion performing, you know, sodomites or 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.960 something like this. And it's just like, why are you trying to be relevant to those people? To me, 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:04.340 that's the wolf saying, I'm a wolf, please more wolves join our church. And, you know, 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:11.660 how about just the jq question? I mean, it's frustrating that we get banned and we get censored 00:59:11.660 --> 00:59:18.210 and you see people like Stu Peters, Tucker, you know, situation. And that's just to me, just a 00:59:18.210 --> 00:59:21.800 similar to like how when we would say like, hey, I want to hang out with you want to be friends, 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:26.970 and then they just cancel us, or they uninvite you or they reject you. And so your thoughts on 00:59:26.970 --> 00:59:32.990 the Tucker thing, I was being, you know, gracious to him. I don't know if you have a different view. 00:59:32.990 --> 00:59:40.200 It was a dumb move. It was a bad move. It doesn't help him. It's a lose-lose, because number one, 00:59:40.200 --> 00:59:46.620 let's say Tucker can ignore this. Well, we're going to go into a communist hellhole. 00:59:46.620 --> 00:59:53.850 If he talks about it, then at least there's a chance to right the ship. If the ship gets 00:59:53.850 --> 00:59:58.100 righted without him, well, then he's going to look like a shill. So to me, by ignoring it, 00:59:58.100 --> 01:00:03.400 you don't win. Because think about it, if you ignore this issue, we could literally be in a 01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:07.590 communist takeover with Kamala Harris. It's not even a question. It's almost a certain reality. 01:00:07.590 --> 01:00:10.200 But maybe his issue is more with Stu Peters himself. 01:00:10.200 --> 01:00:15.050 Okay, then just say that. Okay, well, then just say, "Hey, come in the show. Have the 01:00:15.050 --> 01:00:19.890 conversation anyways." Here's the thing, if you have such a bad viewpoint, but you're a big 01:00:19.890 --> 01:00:25.880 political figure, another big political figure is there, why don't you just refute his arguments? 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:29.290 Why don't you just say, "Well, you know what? I don't like you. I don't like what you have to say. 01:00:29.290 --> 01:00:33.480 I don't like this thing." And isn't that great for ratings anyways? I mean, aren't these people all 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.920 about ratings and views and getting money and blah, blah, blah? And wouldn't it just be so great? 01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.980 You know, I think this is the problem. I think that he was going to agree with Stu Peters a lot 01:00:41.980 --> 01:00:45.570 and he was going to find what he said interesting and compelling because there's a lot of truth to 01:00:45.570 --> 01:00:51.870 it. And his producers and everybody else were afraid. His advertisers were afraid. And they 01:00:51.870 --> 01:00:55.580 said, "Don't do it." And he said, "Okay, I'm not going to do it." And it's kind of a coward move. 01:00:55.580 --> 01:01:01.280 It's a coward move. And we need people to be brave. How can you say that you're standing for 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:07.100 the truth, you're in rebellion to the quote deep state, you're standing on what's right, 01:01:07.100 --> 01:01:11.380 you're going by your moral convictions, and then you do these kind of things. Like it wasn't like, 01:01:11.380 --> 01:01:18.540 I just don't like you. I say, "Hey Ben, come over to my house for dinner." And then you show up at 01:01:18.540 --> 01:01:23.070 the door and we close the curtains and turn out the lights and pretend like we're not home. 01:01:23.070 --> 01:01:27.360 And then call the cops and say, "There's this Middle Eastern man knocking on our door. We 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:31.820 don't know who he is. Will you please take him away and arrest him?" Like that's different than 01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:39.230 just not inviting you to my house. Well, that is Stu Peters point of view. I'd like to at least 01:01:39.230 --> 01:01:42.940 hear what Tucker's explanation was. Well, he provided receipts. He provided all that. I mean, 01:01:42.940 --> 01:01:50.170 he literally has the video of him standing there at the check-in and saying, like, "I'm on the list." 01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:54.370 And they say, "We know you're on the list, but we were asked to not let you come in." I mean, 01:01:54.370 --> 01:01:59.190 how are you going to refute that? No, that's hypocritical, especially because Tucker Carlson 01:01:59.190 --> 01:02:03.620 comes from a line of thinking that says, "Hey, I'm pro-free speech. Let's have the discussion. 01:02:03.620 --> 01:02:09.080 Let's talk about things. Nothing's off limits. The free exchange of thoughts and ideas." 01:02:09.080 --> 01:02:14.630 And this is where you see the right enter into hypocrisy a lot of the time because they make 01:02:14.630 --> 01:02:19.390 that claim, but then if you bring up something that makes them uncomfortable, you get canceled 01:02:19.390 --> 01:02:24.310 and deplatformed the same way the left does. How is this not the exact same as us wanting to talk 01:02:24.310 --> 01:02:31.020 to a pre-tribber, us wanting to talk to a Zionist? I mean, we get canceled from Baptist churches and 01:02:31.020 --> 01:02:35.710 preachers in these events and they won't have the conversation. It's because they're a coward. 01:02:35.710 --> 01:02:42.110 It's because they, and they're promoting a bad ideology. Again, I'm not saying that you couldn't 01:02:42.110 --> 01:02:45.520 legitimately say like this person is a troll or a weirdo or a freak and I just don't want to talk 01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:49.020 to them and I get that kind of a viewpoint, but this is somebody that we're friends with. 01:02:49.020 --> 01:02:54.380 Like they were friends and they have some relationship. This person's on the list. 01:02:54.380 --> 01:03:00.600 Like you don't invite, uninvite. Like that's just a weird move. Yeah. Did someone have a question? 01:03:00.600 --> 01:03:07.830 I'm sorry. I wanted to just, I'll check in and our speakers here. Yeah. I had a question. Go for it. 01:03:07.830 --> 01:03:16.820 So, um, I haven't heard of Stu Peters, um, but I have heard this other controversy going on 01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:22.480 with Tucker recently about, and I didn't see the interview, but he interviewed somebody who was 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:29.920 doing a supposed, you know, world war two revisionism about, you know, Churchill being the bad guy. 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:38.960 And then people were saying, okay, yeah, I don't, I don't know. Uh, I just kind of was, uh, 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:46.950 hearing some of the aftermath chatter and, um, and people were saying, you know, people were 01:03:46.950 --> 01:03:54.070 concerned that Tucker was compromised because of his, his past links with the, with the CIA and 01:03:54.070 --> 01:04:02.340 with his dad being in the CIA and him trying to, to get a job and being rejected and, you know, 01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:07.200 working for CNN before and stuff. And they, they're saying, yeah, this, this kind of, 01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:14.150 we're getting bad vibes now from Tucker, like red flags are going up that he might be getting 01:04:14.150 --> 01:04:23.350 influenced by people up top. I mean, obviously he is, you know, but he might be succumbing to some 01:04:23.350 --> 01:04:28.100 of that influence. And would, do you think that that might have something to do with this where 01:04:28.100 --> 01:04:33.640 he's, he's having an event and somebody above him just says, no, you're not going to talk to that 01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:40.830 guy? No, I think that you're right because the Darrell Cooper conversation, he got a lot of heat 01:04:40.830 --> 01:04:47.790 and he had to kind of backpedal on that interview and even, and say like, man, I got a lot of people, 01:04:47.790 --> 01:04:52.480 you know, mad at me about this particular conversation. And, you know, I don't, I don't 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:58.240 know how much Tucker is, is kind of playing coy on those things where he kind of knows what he's 01:04:58.240 --> 01:05:01.960 getting into. And then he kind of acts like, oh, I didn't know I was getting into this, you know, 01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:07.580 controversy or whatever. I mean, you bring a guy on and talk about World War II. That's, you know, 01:05:07.580 --> 01:05:11.830 I'm sure that they fact check these people and figure out like what their perspective is. 01:05:11.830 --> 01:05:16.940 I do think that he got a lot of heat. And I know that Stu Peters documentary, 01:05:16.940 --> 01:05:21.710 Apocupied is getting attention. And it looks really good. It looks like it and it's bringing 01:05:21.710 --> 01:05:26.650 receipts. It's not just like this random guy just sitting in a room just talking to a camera like 01:05:26.650 --> 01:05:33.420 it's just, it's just video package after video package and just clear hard evidence of how our 01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:40.740 country has so many high ranking positions infiltrated by Jews. And that is exactly what 01:05:40.740 --> 01:05:44.360 happened in the Bolshevik revolution. I've been reading a book about it. It's pretty interesting 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:50.530 called Behind Communism by Frank Britton. And he's talking about how in Russia specifically, 01:05:50.530 --> 01:05:55.520 the government to try and appease Jews gave them free education. And so almost all of the Jews were 01:05:55.520 --> 01:06:01.840 educated while the rest of the residential population was not. And that caused all of the 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:07.730 Jews to come into all the positions of influence, power, and authority in the nation. They basically 01:06:07.730 --> 01:06:12.030 dominated all professions, all the trades. They dominated the cities. They were in all kinds of 01:06:12.030 --> 01:06:17.920 high-ranking positions. And so whenever the revolution kind of came to pass, like all these 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:24.550 people are in all these positions of control. And so it just, it's a lot easier to just basically 01:06:24.550 --> 01:06:29.940 take over. And I mean, you know, you look at America right now, there is a lot of high-ranking 01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:36.800 and influential positions when it comes to the major corporations, banking, the presidential 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:43.780 cabinet, our information when it comes to the news media, Hollywood, even production of food, 01:06:43.780 --> 01:06:50.610 social media, the internet, military. I mean, there's just, at what point of infrastructure 01:06:50.610 --> 01:06:57.040 is it not just dominated by a Jewish influence? And you have to ask this question, like, 01:06:57.040 --> 01:07:03.830 do they have our intentions, like the America first or our intentions at best of heart here, 01:07:03.830 --> 01:07:09.160 or is there something nefarious going on? And I think that that's a fair question. I think that 01:07:09.160 --> 01:07:13.440 when you look at the history, when you look at what these people practice and what they believe, 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:19.000 like this is some serious stuff. And you know, World War II, you sometimes, I heard a lot of 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:23.790 people talk about this last night. This is the crazy thing. It's like, I don't even remember 01:07:23.790 --> 01:07:28.850 learning anything about World War II in school. Maybe I did, but even what I did would have been 01:07:28.850 --> 01:07:34.180 super brief. I remember thinking about like Texas history. We learned about ancient Greek history 01:07:34.180 --> 01:07:40.150 and Roman history and some of 1776 and maybe civil war. But like World War II was just not a 01:07:40.150 --> 01:07:45.410 subject that I remember discussing very much in school whatsoever. And I think in a lot of 01:07:45.410 --> 01:07:50.500 people's minds the question was never resolved of like why does Hitler just randomly decide like I 01:07:50.500 --> 01:07:56.480 just hate all Jews? I mean that's not a question you're gonna get answered in public school. Yeah 01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:01.180 but I'm just saying like did you hear that? Like when you were in public school did they say like 01:08:01.180 --> 01:08:04.120 here is the clear and definitive reason and evidence why. What was the catalyst for him? 01:08:04.120 --> 01:08:08.480 Yeah there's this guy. I think race-based wasn't it? I mean didn't he want to create like an 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:15.790 all-white ethnostate I guess according to the narrative. Aren't Jews why? I don't believe he 01:08:15.790 --> 01:08:19.560 considered them to be according to the... I'm just trying to explain the historical narrative isn't 01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:28.430 it that he thought Jews were ethnically inferior or genetically inferior? No I agree he definitely 01:08:28.430 --> 01:08:34.540 had an evolutionary mindset. Yeah. But I'm just simply saying like that doesn't necessarily just 01:08:34.540 --> 01:08:40.400 immediately say like why you would classify Jews as being the most subhuman species on the earth 01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:47.110 and that they are inferior beings. Like why where do you get where do you draw that conclusion though? 01:08:49.120 --> 01:08:53.510 You just randomly assign like well I just think you know these group of people just ran it like 01:08:53.510 --> 01:08:58.780 you know. No it wasn't random there was that's what that's the question pattern that led to 01:08:58.780 --> 01:09:05.750 that conclusion. So but you know the thing is with with Hitler and the Jews everything like that is 01:09:05.750 --> 01:09:12.330 the devil certainly used all of that in many different ways and you know chief among them 01:09:12.330 --> 01:09:20.080 is the establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948. So I don't know that that's not 100% 01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:24.470 relevant to what we're talking about but as far as the question why I don't think you're 01:09:24.470 --> 01:09:29.040 going to get that answered in public school. Jared did you do you feel like you remember 01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:35.880 a lot of World War II history from school? I don't remember a lot of anything from school 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:43.170 so long ago. I've definitely learned a lot more in my own reading and you know I read a book about 01:09:43.170 --> 01:09:50.300 in 1933 kind of like the rise of Hitler so there was some good information about that but I think 01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:58.410 the most important thing to remember is that it's just like World War I part two. Yeah of course. 01:09:58.410 --> 01:10:06.470 It's just like Germany just got decimated in the first war and their country was chopped up and 01:10:06.470 --> 01:10:18.010 they were paying like ridiculous amounts of money to like compensate for all kinds of stuff and you 01:10:18.010 --> 01:10:25.530 actually had like the French invading Germany and taking over towns and murdering people and stuff 01:10:25.530 --> 01:10:31.530 and their economy was just totally destroyed and people were just on the brink you know so they 01:10:31.530 --> 01:10:36.070 were so there's there's a lot all that stuff leading up to it but with the like when you 01:10:36.070 --> 01:10:43.610 were talking about Jews in high positions so when we talk about Jews obviously there's like two 01:10:43.610 --> 01:10:48.900 different senses in which a person can be a Jew right they are practicing the religion of 01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:58.300 pharisaical Judaism or they claim to have some type of ethnic Jewish ancestry right so like to 01:10:58.300 --> 01:11:04.460 me that's an important distinction you know like are these people you know oh they're Jew okay but 01:11:04.460 --> 01:11:10.620 what kind of Jew like they just say they just you know have a family history of of word you know 01:11:10.620 --> 01:11:17.580 understand ourselves as Jewish people you know because I mean to say like I was thinking about 01:11:17.580 --> 01:11:24.560 this the other day to say oh I'm French you know is to say that like the my ancestors came to the 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:33.610 United States from France right it's it's tied to a land you know and no matter what color they were 01:11:33.610 --> 01:11:39.970 or anything I could still say well I'm French because my ancestors go back to this geographical 01:11:39.970 --> 01:11:46.010 region you know whereas Jews don't really have that I mean they maybe they do a little bit more 01:11:46.010 --> 01:11:52.490 since the modern state's been been created but prior to that you know Jews just lived everywhere 01:11:52.490 --> 01:11:58.850 you know so it to me it's it's important to say well this person's in a high position of authority 01:11:58.850 --> 01:12:06.140 and they're they're a religious Jew who is you know operating under this religious framework. 01:12:06.140 --> 01:12:11.380 Well let me let me say this I think that actually and I kind of made a list the other day there's 01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:16.930 actually about five or six different ways that Jew could be understand because I think that you 01:12:16.930 --> 01:12:23.110 kind of have initially those who are the tribe of Judah in the Bible then you have a sense where 01:12:23.110 --> 01:12:27.670 it's like you lived in Judah doesn't mean that you necessarily were of the tribe. Yeah you're 01:12:27.670 --> 01:12:33.990 of that particular geography or that particular nation and then you kind of have what Paul 01:12:33.990 --> 01:12:38.160 refers to as the Jews religion and and I would argue that that's what you brought up with a 01:12:38.160 --> 01:12:45.560 pharisaical understanding of quote Jews. Then you kind of have in the New Testament the 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:53.440 distinctions between like the Jews which are the synagogue of Satan and and that's similar to the 01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:57.150 pharisaical Jews and then you have like a spiritual Jew and then I would say there's one more 01:12:57.150 --> 01:13:02.170 category so there's kind of like five and it's like the other one is modern-day Judaism and I 01:13:02.170 --> 01:13:07.720 think that all of these are different. You could even maybe argue now that there's even another 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:14.560 sense of people who are quote ethnically Jewish or culturally Jewish and not really practicing 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:20.550 of that religion and so there's a lot of ways that the word Jew could be used. I think though 01:13:20.550 --> 01:13:27.280 in times past it wasn't as muddy and for the most part if it was like hey I'm from Mexico 01:13:27.280 --> 01:13:33.630 you're probably Catholic. If you're from a certain you know location in the world you kind of it's 01:13:33.630 --> 01:13:40.400 almost like a one-for-one for religion in a lot of places and so you know I think for most people 01:13:40.400 --> 01:13:45.330 and especially in times past if you were Jewish you were probably practicing the religion of 01:13:45.330 --> 01:13:50.890 Judaism especially around the time of Hitler and even though there's a lot of people today that are 01:13:50.890 --> 01:13:56.760 quote culturally Jewish or just simply their mom was Jewish or that I was just I believe that they 01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:02.330 still live in communities where they're interacting with other their uncles are Jewish and practicing 01:14:02.330 --> 01:14:07.180 Judaism. They're in it there maybe have the practices of Judaism they're reading the Talmud 01:14:07.180 --> 01:14:12.900 they're going to synagogue they they have a lot of these things that are these just principles that 01:14:12.900 --> 01:14:19.000 kind of define who they are even if they're not really that much practicing and that the principle 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:25.700 of Judaism as far as modern day Talmudic Judaism is a love of money and is a belief system that 01:14:25.700 --> 01:14:32.290 you can do anything to acquire more wealth and power and it's justified that there's really no 01:14:32.290 --> 01:14:38.160 moral restraint and that Goyim or the Gentiles are an inferior group of people that you can 01:14:38.160 --> 01:14:44.750 treat inhumanely in the acquisition of more power and wealth and that they really are pretty tribal 01:14:44.750 --> 01:14:48.550 and looking out for their own and regardless if someone is actually raised reading the Talmud 01:14:48.550 --> 01:14:53.560 or going through all these teachings I think that a lot of that culture is kind of infused in the 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:59.670 brains of even these children that grow up in these homes and so you kind of see a lot of quote 01:14:59.670 --> 01:15:08.690 jews even in modern day having just very unscrupulous principles very dominated with 01:15:08.690 --> 01:15:13.720 the mindset of the love of money and power and wealth and fame and promoting a lot of smut and 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:18.580 filth being very anti-christ in their behavior and attitudes and of course those who are actually 01:15:18.580 --> 01:15:25.120 practicing Judaism exhibiting all those character attributes intensely and it's interesting that 01:15:25.120 --> 01:15:30.630 then most positions of authority and influence in our country happen to be dominated by this 01:15:30.630 --> 01:15:35.890 small demographic. I'm not saying all Jews are bad. I've met Jews that are saved believers. They 01:15:35.890 --> 01:15:41.470 believe in Jesus Christ. When I mean Jew I mean they were raised ethnically Jewish and they have 01:15:41.470 --> 01:15:46.730 converted religions but they I guess have a physical lineage associated with that and I 01:15:46.730 --> 01:15:50.720 don't hate those people. I love those people. I don't even just hate Jews in general. I want 01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:54.860 them to be saved and believe in Jesus Christ but I do think we have to recognize that there's a 01:15:54.860 --> 01:16:00.200 stranglehold in our country and there are a small group of the Jews who are probably the reprobate 01:16:00.200 --> 01:16:04.820 synagogue of Satan that the Bible describes who are really trying to bring in the Antichrist. 01:16:04.820 --> 01:16:11.460 So I don't know if that kind of satisfies the distinctions in Jews. What do you think about that? 01:16:11.460 --> 01:16:19.430 Yeah, that makes sense. So even if you had like an atheist Jew in some high level government position 01:16:19.430 --> 01:16:27.200 or powerful corporate position in media or something, they're still a part of a community 01:16:27.200 --> 01:16:33.960 that has a certain worldview. You know, you could even argue that like the some of the Pharisees 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:37.430 might have been atheists, you know, they didn't really they were hypocrites. They didn't really 01:16:37.430 --> 01:16:46.760 believe. Yeah, but some of the points of doctrine they brought up where they, you know, they view, 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:57.200 you know, Gentiles or Goyim, the nations as, you know, animals that you can treat however you want. 01:16:57.200 --> 01:17:04.140 I mean, Muslims have teachings like that too, but I see them actually like living that out in a more 01:17:04.140 --> 01:17:12.140 violent and extreme way in these nations that have just opened their borders to let Muslims flood in 01:17:12.140 --> 01:17:17.540 and they're just raping and pillaging and destroying. You know, the Jews don't, you don't 01:17:17.540 --> 01:17:24.070 see them behaving that way. This is my viewpoint on that because I agree with what you're saying. 01:17:24.070 --> 01:17:30.060 I think it's that the Muslims have what I'd call brazen hatred and the Jews have what I'd call 01:17:30.060 --> 01:17:37.560 deceptive hatred. So they kind of equally hate but then the way they manifest their hate is 01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:46.990 different. So the Muslim will stab you and yell, you know, "Alu Akbar" but the Jew will rob you of 01:17:46.990 --> 01:17:53.780 all your money and goods and laugh all the way to the bank. So I think it's kind of fair to say that 01:17:53.780 --> 01:18:00.140 they both hate you, it's just the way that they exercise their hatred is probably a little bit 01:18:00.140 --> 01:18:05.380 different. And I don't know, is that a fair way to kind of categorize it, Ben? 01:18:05.380 --> 01:18:12.190 Yeah, Psalm 28 comes to mind where the Bible says, "Draw me not away with the wicked and with the 01:18:12.190 --> 01:18:18.700 workers of iniquity which speak peace to their neighbors, but mischief is in their hearts." 01:18:18.700 --> 01:18:23.440 And that seems to be what you're describing, Pastor Shelley, with these Jews. They may speak 01:18:23.440 --> 01:18:28.870 peace, but in reality, they have a ton of mischief in their hearts. 01:18:28.870 --> 01:18:32.730 "When he speaketh fair, believe him not, for there are seven abominations in his heart." 01:18:32.730 --> 01:18:33.290 That's another great passage. 01:18:33.290 --> 01:18:35.570 "And his hatred shall be shown before the congregation." 01:18:35.570 --> 01:18:41.620 Amen to that. So, I don't know that I have much to add other than it's important to make the 01:18:41.620 --> 01:18:52.410 distinctions you made between a religious Jew or Judaism as a religious worldview and what people 01:18:52.950 --> 01:19:00.890 presume to be an ethnic line because your issue isn't with anyone's ethnicity or their DNA, 01:19:00.890 --> 01:19:09.550 but rather the ideology of that is part and parcel of Judaism that is responsible for so 01:19:09.550 --> 01:19:15.630 much evil in the world. And when people are able to understand that distinction, I think it makes 01:19:15.630 --> 01:19:23.060 our position a little bit more palatable because it stops being a race issue and instead becomes 01:19:23.060 --> 01:19:26.960 an ideological issue. Well, a lot of people will be mad at what I just said because they think 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:32.620 it's a race issue. Like Hitler, I think, doesn't agree with us. Hitler just thinks they're inherently 01:19:32.620 --> 01:19:37.970 bad. There's no redemption for the ethnic Jew. Racial problem, yeah. Yeah, almost like a Canaanite 01:19:37.970 --> 01:19:42.910 in the Bible, like you just wipe out the women, children, and infants type mentality. And I think 01:19:42.910 --> 01:19:46.820 a lot of people have that towards Muslims too. And I would say that I think there's redeemable 01:19:46.820 --> 01:19:52.490 people on both sides. The religions are super evil, but there are some people on both sides 01:19:52.490 --> 01:19:57.720 that could be converted and redeemed and reach the gospel. And you know, I've met a lot of 01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:02.630 Muslims that are very nice people. In America, there's a lot of Muslims. In fact, if I knock 01:20:02.630 --> 01:20:08.600 on a door and it's a Muslim or a Jew, the Muslim is nice almost every time and the Jews almost never 01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:16.580 nice is my personal experience. So, you know, I don't think that all Muslims are necessarily 01:20:17.530 --> 01:20:23.330 really represented well in the media as far as like we just see, you know, they're beheading babies 01:20:23.330 --> 01:20:27.540 and they're, you know, yelling on the lock bar and they're blowing up buildings and it's like, 01:20:27.540 --> 01:20:33.410 who really did blow up the buildings on 9/11, Ben? Are we going to find out on 9/11? Was it your 01:20:33.410 --> 01:20:39.150 cousins? Actually, I don't even know which cousins it is. You have cousins on both sides of the aisle, 01:20:39.150 --> 01:20:44.620 don't you? I do. The official version says yes. I mean, according to the official story, there was 01:20:44.620 --> 01:20:51.250 Lebanese who were responsible. Okay, there you go. That's the official narrative. Okay. So if you 01:20:51.250 --> 01:20:54.850 want to believe that... It wasn't George W. It was the Lebanese folks. It was Lebanese people. There 01:20:54.850 --> 01:21:01.490 it was. We don't even need to have our stream on Tuesday. Yeah, I think the individual, I forget his 01:21:01.490 --> 01:21:08.880 name. Jared. Sorry, Jared? Jared. Jared? Jared. Jared. Okay, there you go. Third time's the charm. 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:16.580 It's a silent D. No, I'm just kidding. He's right because in this sense that the Islamic invasion of 01:21:16.580 --> 01:21:24.810 Europe has led to an uptick in women getting raped all over the place and crime and things like that. 01:21:24.810 --> 01:21:31.740 So there's definitely an element of Islam that is violent and radical and crazy and it is causing 01:21:31.740 --> 01:21:36.120 the rape epidemic we're seeing in Europe today because of the unfettered migration that's 01:21:36.120 --> 01:21:40.980 happening through there. So for sure that's true. Okay, yeah, that's true. Europe is seeing some 01:21:40.980 --> 01:21:47.180 really bad stuff. Is that kind of what you're referring to, Jared? Yeah, where they've just 01:21:47.180 --> 01:21:55.110 opened their borders, like you were saying, unfettered, you know, immigration, and they've 01:21:55.110 --> 01:22:05.570 just let Muslims take over entire sectors of their country. And it just becomes, you know, 01:22:05.570 --> 01:22:13.210 Pakistan inside of the Netherlands or Belgium or wherever they're going, you know, 01:22:13.210 --> 01:22:18.760 France. And they're just setting up, they're not learning the language, they're not assimilating 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:22.510 and all that. They're literally, you know, I've seen clips of them saying, you know, 01:22:22.510 --> 01:22:28.820 we're taking, we're taking this over. This is ours now, you know, and, and they're attacking 01:22:28.820 --> 01:22:36.060 people and yeah, it's, it's bad. You know, it is, it is, it is a problem. I think that it's even, 01:22:36.060 --> 01:22:41.340 you know, again, I think the Jews might be partly responsible for that. And maybe they're allowing 01:22:41.340 --> 01:22:45.910 that to happen just to weaken those nations. Because I think that they recognize that if 01:22:45.910 --> 01:22:51.800 Germany becomes strong again, if UK becomes strong again, they might start asking questions about 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:57.270 World War II and asking questions about why they're paying all this money to Israel and 01:22:57.270 --> 01:23:02.320 all the different things that are happening. And the Muslims are a big distraction right now 01:23:02.320 --> 01:23:08.180 from maybe asking some of those questions. Well, I think it creates a clash of civilizations 01:23:08.180 --> 01:23:15.660 scenario from which the ruling class can then implement order out of chaos, which is what they 01:23:15.660 --> 01:23:22.390 want. And when you have a clash of civilizations, it can be used as a stepping stone for globalist 01:23:22.390 --> 01:23:27.610 political policies. So I think that's another dimension as well. Well, thanks so much for 01:23:27.610 --> 01:23:31.520 tuning in, guys. I know it's just it's kind of a small space. It just did it last a minute. I'm 01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:37.570 going to be doing a space tomorrow morning, 8am, with several people talking about the Bible's 01:23:37.570 --> 01:23:43.150 influence on modern culture and kind of really just a timeline of the Bible from the starting 01:23:43.150 --> 01:23:47.650 point of Christ to now and just kind of how our whole culture and the whole world has 01:23:47.650 --> 01:23:52.490 really been shaped by the Bible specifically. I'm kind of excited about this discussion. 01:23:52.490 --> 01:23:56.430 You can tune in live to that one as well. I kind of shared it on my Twitter. I think 01:23:56.430 --> 01:24:03.720 Dominique, Michael Trippi in Malcolm and a few others are going to be doing that. We're 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:10.810 planning on also maybe doing another space conversation next Saturday where we go and 01:24:10.810 --> 01:24:15.010 talk. We're going to kind of watch through a sermon and we might incorporate some of 01:24:15.010 --> 01:24:20.000 our speakers. So I appreciate you guys coming in. Do you have anything last you kind of 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.630 want to say there, Jarrett? 01:24:22.630 --> 01:24:23.600 Jarrett. 01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:27.580 Great space. Looking forward to the next one. Thanks for having me up. 01:24:27.580 --> 01:24:29.960 Yeah. Thanks for joining and talking. Wade, did you have anything else? 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:30.940 Good questions. 01:24:30.940 --> 01:24:31.920 You wanted to say? 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:38.360 Yeah. I just want to thank you both again for everything you do. The Baptist bias, the 01:24:38.360 --> 01:24:44.730 space, just the online sermons. It's just really enjoyable. And Ben, actually, I met 01:24:44.730 --> 01:24:52.060 you once about five years ago at Steadfast Jacksonville. It was right after Jonathan 01:24:52.060 --> 01:24:57.610 Shelley kind of took over. I'm sure you don't remember me. I came through once with my wife 01:24:57.610 --> 01:25:02.570 on vacation, but I did get to meet you there. So I just want to thank you again for everything 01:25:02.570 --> 01:25:03.700 that you both do. 01:25:03.700 --> 01:25:11.290 Well, God bless you. I don't remember that interaction, but hopefully I didn't leave 01:25:11.290 --> 01:25:18.920 you with too negative of a first impression. It was a while ago and I met a lot of folks 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:22.950 instead, so I don't remember. But thanks a lot for your support. 01:25:22.950 --> 01:25:26.800 Hey, Pastor Shelley, just so you know, we know each other too. 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.660 This is Jared Neville I assume, right? 01:25:30.660 --> 01:25:31.630 Yes. 01:25:31.630 --> 01:25:37.650 I do know Jared Neville. He's from Faithful Word. 01:25:37.650 --> 01:25:42.970 Yeah, I went to Faithful Word a while back before I moved back to Louisiana. 01:25:42.970 --> 01:25:45.220 So that's the bayou. There we go. 01:25:45.220 --> 01:25:46.440 Is this just everyone we know? 01:25:46.440 --> 01:25:47.440 That's it. 01:25:47.440 --> 01:25:48.630 Is that it? It's a family reunion? 01:25:48.630 --> 01:25:49.580 Yeah, exactly. 01:25:49.580 --> 01:25:52.870 Cool. 01:25:52.870 --> 01:25:53.860 Well, thanks guys. 01:25:53.860 --> 01:25:57.800 Yeah, we go back to the Trinitarian controversy and all that stuff. 01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:00.190 He was a way back. 01:26:00.190 --> 01:26:06.270 He was in our preaching class and then just one day I just didn't see Jared. He was just 01:26:06.270 --> 01:26:14.420 gone so he just disappeared into the bayou. 01:26:14.420 --> 01:26:17.550 Life is strange sometimes. That's what I'll say about that. 01:26:17.550 --> 01:26:19.010 What's bayou? What's that? 01:26:19.010 --> 01:26:24.020 Are you still King James only or what? 01:26:24.020 --> 01:26:26.870 I would say I'm King James preferred. 01:26:26.870 --> 01:26:31.660 Okay. What about salvation by faith? You still salvation by faith? 01:26:31.660 --> 01:26:32.580 Yes. 01:26:32.580 --> 01:26:33.910 Okay. 01:26:33.910 --> 01:26:35.330 Justification by faith alone. 01:26:35.330 --> 01:26:42.470 There we go. What about Trinity? You didn't turn into a modalist or something, did you? 01:26:42.470 --> 01:26:55.020 No, absolutely not. I've been in the IFB up until just very recently. I'm doing instruction 01:26:55.020 --> 01:27:03.590 on becoming Lutheran right now. So maybe we could talk about that sometime. 01:27:03.590 --> 01:27:08.810 Can I ask, what's the appeal to Lutheran? 01:27:08.810 --> 01:27:18.950 So the main appeal for me was just finding out about what the history of Christianity, 01:27:18.950 --> 01:27:27.780 what people with ancient Christians believed for most of the history of Christianity and 01:27:27.780 --> 01:27:37.980 how certain things that I thought were not okay to believe as a Christian is what everyone 01:27:37.980 --> 01:27:47.460 believed for a long time. And so it was kind of the main thing that had me feeling like 01:27:47.460 --> 01:27:53.780 I was missing out on stuff was the IFB church that I've been going to here for over a year, 01:27:53.780 --> 01:28:01.580 they haven't partaken of the Lord's Supper once. And what I had learned from just researching 01:28:01.580 --> 01:28:08.730 about Christian history is that, you know, the Lord's Supper communion was an essential 01:28:08.730 --> 01:28:15.170 part of the worship of God in church, that people were, you know, they had a very high 01:28:15.170 --> 01:28:22.650 view of it, that, you know, God would bring forgiveness of sins and grace through the 01:28:22.650 --> 01:28:27.670 partaking of the Lord's Supper, this is what Christians everywhere believed. 01:28:27.670 --> 01:28:34.650 That's the Catholic view, yeah, if that's what you're referring to. 01:28:34.650 --> 01:28:40.690 Well, I mean, we have a different view than Catholics on the Lord's Supper. 01:28:40.690 --> 01:28:43.480 No, I understand that the Protestant view and the Lutheran view is different on the 01:28:43.480 --> 01:28:48.160 Eucharist, but I'm just saying specifically, like, the heritage or the history of the Eucharist 01:28:48.160 --> 01:28:54.050 from the Catholic Church is that it does bring salvation and those kind of things, but again, 01:28:54.050 --> 01:28:59.410 our Church does perform the Lord's Supper and it's kind of on the seldom side as opposed 01:28:59.410 --> 01:29:02.310 to mainline Protestant denominations. 01:29:02.310 --> 01:29:07.900 I mean, a lot of Catholic Churches and Protestant Churches, Episcopalian, Lutheran, they have 01:29:07.900 --> 01:29:09.600 communion in every single service. 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:14.070 In fact, I would argue that's the main emphasis of the Church service, not the preaching. 01:29:14.070 --> 01:29:20.470 It's more like the communion aspect and again, I'm not against communion at all. 01:29:20.470 --> 01:29:24.310 I wouldn't even be against the Church if it literally had communion in every service, 01:29:24.310 --> 01:29:28.080 but I think that the preaching is the emphasis. 01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:30.580 Again, Luther wanted to reform the Church. 01:29:30.580 --> 01:29:32.400 I reject the Catholic Church. 01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:36.040 That's kind of my view and I think there's nothing wrong with people being wrong for 01:29:36.040 --> 01:29:41.770 a long period of time because if you look throughout history, there's plenty of people 01:29:41.770 --> 01:29:47.190 that are historical but they're wrong in the sense that look at how long Mormons have existed, 01:29:47.190 --> 01:29:50.870 they've been wrong the entire time, look how long Islam has existed, they've been wrong 01:29:50.870 --> 01:29:54.310 the whole time, look at Hindus, they've been wrong for a long time and even the children 01:29:54.310 --> 01:30:00.020 of Israel if you actually study they did the Passover wrong for like hundreds and hundreds 01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:05.370 of years and it wasn't until like Hezekiah like reinstituted it that God's like okay 01:30:05.370 --> 01:30:10.010 now you're actually kind of doing it like what the Bible said. So, you know, to me- 01:30:10.010 --> 01:30:15.920 Yeah, but the argument, the force of the argument is that some of the things that I believe 01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:25.190 simply didn't exist at all in the church until like Zwingli came along and nobody believed 01:30:25.190 --> 01:30:39.640 that the Lord's Supper was just a remembrance, a purely symbolic right of the church. That's 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:44.800 a novel teaching. It just didn't exist at all. So if you say, "Well, yeah, I mean, it 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:50.100 was right when they got it wrong for a while and then they got it right again," that's 01:30:50.100 --> 01:30:55.990 not as forceful of an argument as to say, "Well, it just didn't exist until, you know, 01:30:55.990 --> 01:31:00.230 the 16th century." - Yeah, I wouldn't say that that's... 01:31:00.230 --> 01:31:06.790 I'm not trying to argue that necessarily because I agree with you, but I would believe that 01:31:06.790 --> 01:31:11.840 the apostles and the early disciples, of course, did the Lord's Supper correctly, period. 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.140 Whatever they were doing was probably exactly what was supposed to be done. 01:31:15.140 --> 01:31:16.130 But even... 01:31:16.130 --> 01:31:17.120 But think about this. 01:31:17.120 --> 01:31:28.100 First Corinthians issue in chapter 11, that's a church that's not even really removed much 01:31:28.100 --> 01:31:29.320 from Christ. 01:31:29.320 --> 01:31:33.620 And they had the apostle Paul get them saved, and they're screwing up the Lord's communion. 01:31:33.620 --> 01:31:39.570 So that tells me that if they were screwed up in the first century, that they could have 01:31:39.570 --> 01:31:42.980 been screwed up at any century, at any time, and that people could be doing it wrong very 01:31:42.980 --> 01:31:44.620 easily. 01:31:44.620 --> 01:31:49.990 Additionally, I think that there's probably a lot of history that we just don't know. 01:31:49.990 --> 01:31:57.500 And I don't really look at the Catholic church as being an authority on history. 01:31:57.500 --> 01:32:03.370 And I think that there's a lot of stuff out there that contradicts some of these narratives. 01:32:03.370 --> 01:32:08.590 I've never really studied communion specifically in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth 01:32:08.590 --> 01:32:10.130 century or anything like that. 01:32:10.130 --> 01:32:17.930 So I wouldn't know what details or information may exist as far as people doing it differently. 01:32:17.930 --> 01:32:23.900 But again, the Catholic church will kind of tell people that, like to me, Lutherans basically 01:32:23.900 --> 01:32:27.650 just adopt all the Catholic history up to a certain point and then say it kind of got 01:32:27.650 --> 01:32:31.380 corrupt at one point and then they reformed it. 01:32:31.380 --> 01:32:40.380 And I think that it's a little bit of a propaganda gaslighting narrative of history that some 01:32:40.380 --> 01:32:47.520 people get sucked into with the Catholic Church and I just think that it's a little bit dangerous. 01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:49.570 I'm going to have to wrap up this story here. 01:32:49.570 --> 01:32:53.800 Well, the great thing about Luther is that he's super, super against the Catholic Church. 01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:58.930 I just finished reading Babylonian Captivity of the Church and then he just tears into 01:32:58.930 --> 01:33:00.180 them. 01:33:00.180 --> 01:33:04.720 Oh yeah, Luther was really against a lot of the Catholic stuff, but they were doing bad 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:05.700 stuff. 01:33:05.700 --> 01:33:08.800 I mean selling indulgences, doing crazy things. 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:16.340 The popes were super corrupt, so obviously Luther really, really went on some tangents 01:33:16.340 --> 01:33:17.310 against the Catholic Church. 01:33:17.310 --> 01:33:18.640 And Jews. 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:24.970 Yeah, even the Greek Orthodox don't like the Catholic Church, but again, that's a big conversation. 01:33:24.970 --> 01:33:25.960 We should probably have a different-- 01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:26.960 That's another two hours. 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:27.950 Yeah, that's another 8,000. 01:33:27.950 --> 01:33:28.950 You want to stay out for what? 01:33:28.950 --> 01:33:29.940 That's like another 10 years. 01:33:29.940 --> 01:33:30.940 All night. 01:33:30.940 --> 01:33:32.730 I got to get home. 01:33:32.730 --> 01:33:33.720 But thanks so much for-- 01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:37.360 It's 1030 here in Louisiana, too. 01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:38.890 Well thanks for tuning in, guys. 01:33:38.890 --> 01:33:39.860 Y'all have a good night. 01:33:39.860 --> 01:33:42.830 Thanks, Ben, and thanks for joining our space. 01:33:42.830 --> 01:33:43.840 Y'all have a good night. 01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:43.940 God bless.