Thanks for tuning in for another season two,
episode number four, Baptist Bias podcast.
And of course, we love to get started with our Benalog.
- Are you tired of working out all the time
just to lose a few pounds and realize it's not working?
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Let me make this clear.
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In fact, we have over a billion people
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Here's how it works.
On off days, you can eat anything you want
over the course of the program
and you won't gain a pound, not a single pound.
I'm talking about anything you want.
It could even be a slice or 10
of some extra cheese pizza from Pizza Hut.
Enjoy it to your heart's content.
That is good.
Or how about America's beverage, Coca Cola, right here?
That's what I'm talking about.
You know, people, they bend over backwards.
They count calories.
They constantly weigh themselves.
They fret about what to eat and what not to eat,
but I'm telling you, this is going to work.
You're gonna save at the grocery store, cook prep.
And let me promise you this,
no one will ever steal your meals at work again.
This program works so great.
Your neighbors will be able to smell your weight loss,
literally smell it.
In fact, this program is so effective,
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will notice a sharp decrease in appetite
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Now, many of you are wondering what this could be,
what it is that I'm talking about.
Well, I'm gonna give you a little taste
of this amazing EIF program right now.
Step one, eat anything, everything you want.
Honestly, just eat up whatever it is that you like.
Like I mentioned earlier,
as much pizza as you'd like with extra cheese.
Mm, mm, mm, who doesn't love that?
It's good stuff.
You can have America's soda, America's drink,
Coca-Cola, eat and drink to your heart's content,
whatever it is that you want.
Now, the second step is very important.
Once you've added all those unwanted pounds
from eating every greasy, sugar-filled,
delicious carb you like, you implement the EIF,
which stands for this, Eat Indian Food.
You say, well, that can't work.
It really is that simple, folks.
I mean, have you ever seen a fat Indian?
I haven't.
You know, people in India,
they've been following this successful program
for centuries and the pounds melt right off.
The curry smell alone has led to dramatic results,
causing all who smell its fat-saving power
to lose their stomach, running away screaming,
causing, by the way, as a result,
an intense HIIT workout.
In fact, some people just skip meals altogether
when this kind of food is their only option.
I'm so confident you'll lose weight.
I have a 300-minute money-back guarantee
that if you don't like our program,
we'll give you back 100% of the money,
of your money, I should say, in curry sauce.
Honestly, it's a win-win.
If you're skeptical of this program or other fad diets
and you look to the Bible for dieting advice instead,
then it's obvious to me that you have the Baptist bias.
- Well, I don't know about you, but after that been a log,
I'm kind of hungry.
How's it going, Ben?
- All I have to say is that if you don't like Coke,
you don't even have a soul.
(Ben laughs)
- Now, are you talking about cocaine or Coca-Cola?
- Coca-Cola, just to be clear, Coca-Cola,
America's beverage, as referenced in the analog.
It is America's beverage.
It is the superior tasting soda.
And if you don't like it,
you do not have a soul, that is a fact.
- Well, I always wonder, how do you eat all this food,
pizza and Coke and everything, you're so thin.
What's your secret, Ben?
- I don't know.
I think it's the EIF diet, like I just brought up.
For those of you that were watching that,
if you call the number that is not on your screen now,
then you can get a free consultation on it.
It was always my dream, Pastor Shelley,
to be one of those used cars salesmen,
health nuts who get up on television
and lie to people, I mean, I'm sorry,
and talk to people about how they can lose weight,
and I appreciate getting the opportunity tonight
to live out that dream.
- Well, as long as I get a cut on your book sales,
I don't really care.
So, you know, you slashed a lot of prices there though,
so we might wanna be careful.
- That's true.
- That we don't give away all the way for free.
So, this evening's show,
we're gonna be talking about various fad diets.
Of course, there's a lot of buzzwords out there,
things like keto or being vegan or I've heard carnivore.
I've heard the South Beach diet.
I've heard all kinds of crazy things out there.
What kind of fad diets have you heard of
that people do or try out?
- Well, I've heard of, you know,
people go on Weight Watchers is one.
I'm looking at my list here.
I gotta look at my cheat sheet.
I've heard of something totally wacky called the Clay Diet,
which I could explain later if you want.
Obviously, you're part of keto.
There's juicing, you know.
People will go on juice cleanses
where they literally eat no solid food
for a period of time.
Gerson therapy.
There's a bunch of them out there.
- Have you heard of a Daniel Fast or a Daniel Diet?
- I actually haven't heard of that one, what is that one?
- I guess it's like they're trying to go from the Bible
and say that Daniel didn't eat any of the king's meat,
so they just do like a vegetable-only diet
or something weird. - There you go.
- What about, I've heard, and the juicing one,
I've heard like only carrots.
- I have heard of that one as well,
and I would imagine that that turns you pink.
- I've heard of Hollywood Diet.
Have you heard of the Hollywood Diet?
- No, no.
- I think it's just like lemonade and cayenne pepper.
- Okay.
So how to die of starvation?
- You're just like, I don't know.
- Veganism, did you bring that up already?
I mean, that's the big one.
- Yeah, vegan. - Oh, vegan.
There's vegetarian. - Vegetarian.
- There's all kinds of different options out there.
It's hard to keep up.
- It is, man.
And they come up with new ones.
- Diet options that there are.
- Every once in a while, they come up with new ones.
- Now, for the show, we would like to,
if you wanna call in this evening,
we're going to have the phone lines open
and we'll take some calls.
Maybe you can share with us your fad diets,
things you've tried, your opinion.
We've got our Baptist bias number up there.
231-Baptist or 227-8478.
Call in 231-Baptist and we'll see if we can get you
on the show here in a little bit.
But I do want to first just kind of talk about
just my general perspective on diets.
And I kinda wanna get your feedback on this,
but my view is that when it comes to diets,
you could probably find a nutritionist,
a dietician or a medical doctor who will endorse
every single view that exists,
including completely dichotomy-like style diets,
ones that are the exact opposite of each other,
just each end of the spectrum, every angle,
just complete opposite style diets.
You'll have all kinds of dieticians,
all kinds of nutritionists,
all kinds of medical professionals
who will endorse virtually every view that exists.
I mean, is that a fair assessment?
- I would say so. - What do you think about that?
- No, yeah, I would say so.
I think that's part of the medical industrial complex
in the sense that they'll kind of cast a wide net
in order to enrich themselves.
I mean, I hate to say that, but it's true.
It's kind of the state of things right now
in the health industry.
- Well, it just seems like when it comes to dieting,
nutrition, a lot of these areas of study
and research, people kinda sometimes just want a doctor
that's gonna tell them what they want to hear.
And so because there's an appetite to hear everything,
there ends up becoming these medical professionals
or articles, videos on virtually every diet
that could possibly exist.
You even see crazy things talking about
increasing carbs or sugar.
Obviously, for the most part,
people are kind of against processed foods and sugar,
but generally speaking,
it seems like almost every variation of a diet,
whether that's pro-dairy against dairy,
pro-meat against meat,
pro-vegetable against vegetable,
pro-bread against bread,
you know, pro-milk against milk,
this kinds of milk,
or yeah, pro-egg against egg.
I mean, it's just,
almost everything is there's someone out there
that's going to be against, you know,
pro-fish, then there's anti-fish.
- Anti-fish.
- There's a lot of variations,
pro-salt against salt.
It just seems like there's a lot out there.
And I think one trap that someone could fall into
is they research just kind of one opinion
and they think because they find some doctors
and nutritionists that support this,
oh, everybody thinks this is right
or everybody agrees with this.
And it kind of can allow them to just get locked
into a particular echo chamber.
- Absolutely.
And I don't blame people for maybe asking the question,
well, what do I do then?
Let's say they come to the realization
that the perspectives on dieting are eclectic.
Then the question is, okay, well, who do I trust?
I mean, what advice should I take?
If there's so many conflicting perspectives out there,
which one is right?
- Well, we got someone in the chat said,
if the mainstream is saying not to eat it, then eat it.
(laughs)
That's a decent rule of thumb.
- That might be some of the best dieting advice
I've heard in a while.
- Absolutely.
- I mean, here's the thing.
I think that even, you have crazy, crazy things being said,
like eating crickets.
- Is that the Klaus Schwab diet?
'Cause he wants us to eat bugs.
- Yeah, I think that there's like a big agenda
to eat bugs and to eat all kinds of crazy things.
I mean, really, I mean, if you go outside of America,
which, you know, I'm kind of limited in my knowledge
when it comes to diets within American cuisine,
but obviously from an international perspective,
I mean, it's crazy out there.
- Communist China, you can eat monkey.
- What is the thing called?
I think it's called like,
I'm gonna mispronounce it probably,
but it's like a brew or something.
It's like an egg that actually had like a bird inside of it.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
- I've never heard of this before in my life.
- It's something I think when everybody goes-
- Let me guess, Chinese.
- No, I think it's when everybody goes to the Philippines.
- Oh, Philippines.
- They eat this weird delicacy.
- Yeah, supposedly or something like that.
- I've never heard of this before.
- We need to look this up and fact check this.
- Maybe the chat room, yeah, we can fact check.
I wanna give a quick, while you do that,
I'd like to give a quick shout out
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And we have this person, Despues de la Tribulacion.
This, what is this, balut?
That sounds like an Arabic word, balut.
Balut.
Balut, it's a food in the Philippines
consisting of duck eggs incubated almost
to the point of hatching and then boiled.
Wow.
So they eat like a, it looks like a real bird,
but just kind of like before it's hatched in this egg.
And it looks crazy.
I'm just gonna say like from my perspective,
it looks crazy.
Yeah, this person, Samuel says in the chat room,
balut, I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right,
balut, whatever.
I'm gonna say balut.
Balut is a duck egg with an embryo inside.
And it's, the person also says balut is a Filipino word.
Yeah, there also is an Arabic word,
which means something totally different,
which is why I pronounced it that way.
But yeah, it's a Filipino word.
It's a Filipino delicacy.
And maybe if I ever go out to visit our friend,
brother Matthew Stuckey,
he could take me to a Filipino restaurant
and I can try this thing out for myself.
You know, I personally like to try foreign foods,
even foods that are weird for our culture.
But I will draw the line somewhere.
Let me just say that.
And some of the stuff I see coming out of Communist China,
I'm drawing the line.
- Obviously, it's not balut.
- What is it?
Oh yeah, I'll try balut.
Sure, why the hell not?
- Or Indian food for you.
- I'll try Indian.
- Okay, give us, what is your take on Indian,
what do you like in the Indian food?
- Curry, chicken tikka masala, samosas.
I mean, that's my top three.
- You know, samosa sounds like something different
whenever you say that.
- What does it sound like?
- Like a samosa is like an alcoholic beverage.
But I had to look it up, it's like an A, it's like samosa.
- Samosa.
Yeah, that's the orange juice with the alcohol.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- But that's a different word, isn't it?
- It just, it's like a homonym,
it almost sounds like the exact same thing.
- Yeah, I mean, you know, Indian food,
here's the reality, you know?
- What is a samosa?
Tell us.
- It's like a--
- I had to look this up.
- There's meat inside of it, it's kind of,
it's like covered with flour.
- Does it look like an empanada, kind of?
- You know what, let me--
- Can we get a samosa put on the screen?
- Yeah, let's see.
- You're gonna crucify me for this.
I'm not sure what an empanada looks like.
Oh, there we go.
Yeah, it does.
Yes, it does look like an empanada.
I just--
- We're making our production team sweat over here.
- No, samosa and empanada, I would say,
look very similar if I'm going to compare the two.
Mamosa is the alcohol, by the way.
Our chat room is just carrying the show tonight.
- We got to go to an Indian theater.
- That's right.
- For the premiere of "The Baptist Bias."
- That was awesome.
- We walked in, they said, "How are you doing?
"I didn't know you were going to be here today."
- What kind of movie are you showing?
Would you like a really good samosa?
- Love Indian, by the way.
That's not me mocking.
I love all Indian people.
- Hey, you know what, we're just,
we're appropriating their culture.
- That's it.
- We're embracing the culture.
- Absolutely.
- And I think we're gonna get samosas pulled up here
on the screen for a second.
Here we go.
- There it is.
Does that not look good?
I mean, does that not make you want to repent
of whatever distaste you have for Indian food
right there in his mouthwatering?
- What's safe about this is I can't smell it.
So, you know, you can't smell the curry from here,
but it certainly will change your appetite.
- You know, when I knock on doors,
you know, we go out so many,
when we knock on an Indian door and they open it up
and then you get that sweet--
- Are you tired of working out all the time?
- Indian food, as I hear myself for some reason.
But anyway, you get that sweet Indian smell,
the Indian food smell, excuse me,
the Indian food smell that you get when you go out swimming,
it just gets me that much more hyped up
to preach the gospel.
- Well, what I would like,
can we get, let's get some ballot on the screen
'cause I don't want people to miss out
on this really important delicacy.
- Okay, it looks like that's in progress.
- We talked about it and--
- Is it ballot, that's how you say it?
- I think it's balut.
- Balut.
- I think, I looked at the pronunciation, so--
- That sounds so Arab.
- But look at this thing.
I mean, it's kind of bizarre.
- What, in the world?
- Yeah, it's like, I was watching people eat it
and I thought it was like, you know,
they're forcing someone to eat something that terrible,
but apparently people like it,
or it's like a delicacy or something like that.
So, you know, you never know.
- Hey, I mean, I'll try it.
- New diet, new fad diet, balut and samosas.
- Balut and samosas.
- You know, we should start our own,
it's part of the EIF program.
- EIF program.
- That's it.
And F can also stand for Filipino.
- Well, you have to admit, if you had some balut,
I doubt very many people would steal your lunch.
- Probably not, especially domestically.
So, you know, here's the thing.
I mean, you can make fulmavol you want,
but we said it on the onset.
I mean, I haven't seen a fat Indian and you know what?
You might look at that and say,
that's because the food sucks.
I might look at that and say,
that's because the food doesn't contain as many additives
and as much gross grease and things of that nature
that you would get in the United States.
- Well, I kind of have a personal theory
that the countries that have the best food
are gonna be the fattest, generally speaking.
And that's why America is so fat,
is because the food is so good.
And you look at a country like India,
not really the top of the cuisine list.
That's why they're definitely not putting on the pounds.
But you think about Mexican food, Italian food,
these are some of the best cuisines.
And, you know, arguably, it's a lot of, you know,
a lot of size behind these countries.
- Hey, if you're gonna go with that theory, then that's true.
I really think the difference between us is really simple.
I'm kind of like an all are welcome kind of guy on food.
- Ecumenical.
- Yeah, you could say that.
You could say that, I'm not ashamed of it.
You know, I like to enjoy many different ethnic foods,
whereas-
- I like having no standards or like a city without walls.
- I'm just not a-
- An open immigration policy.
- You could say that if you'd like.
- There's all the great analogies for it.
- I'm not a Fox News Baptist such as yourself.
- Right.
Well, obviously there's pearly gates to get into heaven
'cause we reject some people into heaven.
And that's how I take my cuisine,
is that we have pearly gates surrounding
and protecting our cuisine palette.
And we only allow that which is holy and righteous
to enter in, you know, like the Texas brisket, ribs,
things of this nature.
Things that have been sanctified
by the word of God with prayer.
So before we, before we monologue too long,
let's get into some of our diets here that we have.
- Yeah, we have a bunch on our list.
- Actually, you're gonna bring up obesity.
Bring up your obesity segment
before we get into these diets.
- Yeah, I mean, it didn't take too long
to find this statistic, but a Harvard study concluded
that, I'll just quote it for you,
a closer look at the U.S. numbers in adults
showed roughly two out of three U.S. adults,
excuse me, all that Coke and pizza coming back up,
roughly two out of three U.S. adults are overweight
or obese, which would equate to 69%,
and one out of three are obese, 36% of the population.
Also, from Harvard, obesity leads to type two diabetes,
coronary artery disease, stroke, cardiovascular death.
Even a link between obesity and cancer
was found in this study,
and it could also cause infertility and depression.
So if those sound enticing to you,
then you might as well get as obese as possible.
But the point of bringing that up is just to show
what our population is struggling with.
- Yeah, I mean, obviously, obesity abounds in our country,
and it's probably for a lot of reasons.
Number one, we have a lot of great food options.
We have an abundance of food.
But as the Bible also talks about an abundance of idleness,
it seems like Americans,
they don't really have to struggle for food.
We don't have to really work that hard.
And even, honestly, our homeless population
is probably fatter and has more obesity
than the vast majority of countries in this world.
- That's what I've noticed.
- And so, because of obesity, though,
it leads to a lot of other issues.
- A lot of issues.
- And so, consequently, people are looking for
quick and easy options, even if it's sometimes
a little harder, they're looking for quick options
to alleviate this problem.
And so, they're turning to bad diets,
which is the topic of our conversation tonight.
- Now, you know, what's interesting to me
is every time I get on Facebook or YouTube
or any of these things, I always see this ad
of this guy who's like hanging on some jungle gym
and pulling weights or something like this,
and he's like eating pizza, and he's just like,
you know, you wanna get ripped like me?
Well, you know, it's not running, it's not doing workouts,
it's not eating, you know, these weird diets or whatever.
Get my program, and I'll tell you all about it.
Click this link and take a quiz or something like that.
I feel like I see this ad everywhere.
Do you kinda know what I'm talking about?
- Yep, I know it.
- So I actually think we have a clip
that I found on Facebook,
and this one actually includes a couple girls in it too
or something, but it's some ad
where they're basically advertising the same thing.
Let's see if we can play that clip.
- This is how to get in shape fast.
- Cardio burns fat, right?
No.
Cardio actually burns calories,
usually in the form of carbs in the bloodstream
that are then replaced with the very next meal
that you eat and store it as more fat.
This is why when you even eat low calorie foods
or run for an hour a day,
it seems like you get softer,
but you don't actually lose any weight.
And this is one of the biggest reasons
why most weight loss attempts fail
within the first three weeks.
If you think that I don't eat carbs, you're wrong.
If you think that I spend three hours in the gym a day
and I do regular steady state cardio all the time,
you're wrong.
That ain't how you lose weight.
Worst part about that was we couldn't skip the ad.
Yeah, that would've been nice.
So again, I only play the ad,
not because I agree with it at all,
but just simply because it's just like,
you can't escape this.
I feel like I see it everywhere all the time.
Have you seen this kind of ad?
I have seen this ad many times.
I just, I feel like I see this ad all the time.
And it's just, it's like everywhere.
It's not even just on Facebook.
It's on YouTube all the time.
Well, since we were doing the show,
I decided I was going to click the link.
And so, then it took me to this Indian website
where they wanted my social security number.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, I clicked the link.
I took their little quiz or whatever.
And then I started watching this guy's video.
And it's funny because the video's like 20 minutes long.
And it's literally just that two minutes for 20 minutes.
It's just like, we're about to tell you
the greatest secret of how you're gonna get so fit.
And we're about, I mean,
we're almost gonna give it to you.
We're about to give it to you.
It's gonna happen.
Just like, it's the most annoying ad video.
Which is why it took me so long to get to my point
I was playing the character at the pedal log.
- Of course, so the ad itself, you know,
is an advertisement to buy their program.
It's called Ripped in 90 Days.
It's like $57, but you have to buy it now.
- Have to.
- He actually said in the video that I was watching,
he said, this is only a one hour promotion.
You have one hour.
- You have an hour.
- I checked it every single day.
It's the same price. - Same price.
- So I don't know what happened, but maybe it's a glitch.
- Yeah. - You know, I was just lucky.
- That's it. - That the price was,
it's kinda like JCPenney's one day only sale.
- Yeah. - That they had every day.
- Every single day.
- It was every day that ends in Y.
- Right.
- $57, not that much, honestly.
I mean, if you got results out of it,
I mean, it is what it is, right?
There's a lot of dieting programs, Weight Watchers,
these type of programs that cost a lot more money
than $57. - Sure.
- But he essentially broke it down,
and he said there's three steps for his weight loss program.
Number one is he said, "Tut."
It's called time under tension.
So whenever you do a workout,
instead of just maximizing reps,
trying to do them really quick,
he says you gotta do time under tension,
which is essentially more of stress
and taking longer on your reps.
And supposedly that's going to increase the muscle mass
in your workouts.
The second thing he brought up is called carb cycling.
Now again, none of these things are unique to him
or they invented.
He's just simply repackaging a lot of dieting tips,
things that are out there.
Carb cycling, you could even look it up,
people will tell you exactly what it is.
Essentially carb cycling, you have a high day,
maybe a medium day based on his program
or a low day of carbs.
But they just set a certain number of calories per day
that you're gonna have.
Just say an arbitrary number 2000.
And on a high carb day, a large percentage of those,
maybe about 1200 of those have to be carbs.
And then on a low carb day, it's more 200 or 300,
maybe 400 carbs is the percentage of that 2000
that you can have.
And supposedly the science behind it
is that your body needs carbs just in general.
And whenever you're not giving it carbs,
your body thinks it's in a starvation mode
and starts trying to store every single food item it gets.
And so even though you're at a calorie deficit or whatever,
it's just gonna pack on pounds anyways.
This is the supposed science behind it.
I'm not saying, I'm not gonna give my comments
on whether I think that's 100% true or not.
It sounds like there's probably some level
of legitimacy to that.
Obviously there's probably a lot of factors.
Then the third thing is just HIIT,
which is called High Intensity Interval Training.
And essentially instead of going running
for an hour on the treadmill,
like he was kind of alluding to,
it's more that you would do like sprints, jumping jacks,
some kind of like extremely high exercise routine
for a shorter duration.
And the supposed idea behind this
is that when you recover,
so because you're gonna be like huffing and puffing,
that you're gonna have a lot more burnage
even after you do the workout.
So essentially because you've done so much intensity,
it just keeps burning
and gives you some kind of extra benefit to it.
And I think HIIT's a pretty popular term out there
when it comes to exercising.
But instead of paying $57, hey, there you go.
Instead of watching the 20-minute video,
instead of watching all these people show off their bodies
and whatever and tell you how they lost so much pounds
and they look all good now or something.
Some of those pictures were weird 'cause it's like,
there's one where it was like a girl
who looked like it was supposed to be a before
and after pic and she looked the exact same.
So I don't even know what they were trying to show.
- It's like those Alex Jones, this is kind of off topic,
but Alex Jones will have before and after pictures
where before he kind of looks a little overweight,
little bit fatter, and then after he looks the exact same.
- It looks like he sucked in his stomach hair or something.
- Yeah, he sucked his stomach in a little bit and it's like.
- Obviously, super meal vitality clearly works.
BrainForce Plus.
- Well, if he's on all these drugs, or supplements,
I'm sorry, not drugs, he's on all these supplements.
- Drugs.
- Why does he keep looking unhealthier every year?
- He does get bigger and bigger every year.
Well, I guess the supplements don't work
if you're gorging on chili in between shows
and all the other crazy stuff that he does.
- Chili?
- Yeah, there's stories of him in between shows
just gorging on a giant plate of chili.
- Is that a new diet, chili diet?
- Chili diet.
- Does it have beans in it, though?
- Probably.
- That's the problem.
See, if he hadn't had the beans--
- He got rid of the beans,
he wouldn't get so big every--
- Right.
- That's your solution, Alex Jones.
If you're listening to this podcast,
which we know you are--
- Obviously.
- Get the beans out of the chili.
- That's right.
- And you won't be so large.
Somebody called into his show one time, actually,
and called him out on it.
Said, "Hey man, you're getting bigger and bigger every year."
- What did he say?
- He was like, "You know what, yeah, that's true.
"I'll try and do better, all right, next caller."
- I'm surprised he was like,
"I can't hear you, I'm disconnected."
(laughing)
Well, of course, we wanna talk about a few of these diets.
And again, I'm not gonna claim to be an expert
on every single diet program that's out there
because, like I said, there's multiplicity of them.
But what I think is important
is to always balance any diet program
with the Bible itself.
And I believe that your diet advice
should come from the word of God in every area.
And I see some people getting into these weird extremes
where they will pretty much forbid
some type of item the Bible prescribes.
And that really irritates me.
Just to give a personal testimony,
but we had a pediatrician that me and my wife were going to.
And this was actually our second pediatrician
for our first child.
The first pediatrician dropped us
because we wouldn't get injected
with all different kinds of poisons.
But because of that, insurance won't carry you,
so we get dropped so that we go
to this more homeopathic type pediatrician.
And sometimes they're weird most of the time.
And this homeopathic pediatrician
is trying to tell us how evil milk is.
And she's trying to suggest that somehow
we're like bad for drinking milk.
And just, not just us, any human.
She says we're the only species
that drinks other species' milk.
She's like, you know, you don't see cows
drinking other species' milk.
They drink their own milk.
And she was acting like we're somehow bad
because we drink other species' milk.
And I'm thinking, there's some species,
if we're gonna use these stupid words,
there's some species that only eat grass and I eat them.
So how does that work?
I mean, this type of logic is certainly not biblical.
And she was basically condemning my wife for drinking milk,
'cause my wife drinks a lot of milk.
I mean, that's one of her favorite beverages.
And I love milk.
And then, but because we're going to this pediatrician,
you know, this pediatrician's almost giving her
a little bit of worry,
just a little bit of frustration
about the fact that she loves milk.
And I, you know, I was just thinking like,
you know what, we're going to this pediatrician.
It's not really benefiting anything.
We're just measuring the baby that's perfectly healthy.
The Bible says, "They that behold me not a physician."
And I'm like, we're done.
We just never went back ever again.
And honestly, it was great,
'cause it really wasn't benefiting us.
We're getting a lot of bad advice,
a lot of bad ideas planned into us.
And the Bible is very clear that milk is good.
I mean, there's a lot of verses I could pull up
or think about.
Obviously we have the land flowing with milk and honey,
which is considered the promised land.
But there's another one in Proverbs
that I think's kind of a very clear verse
on this particular issue.
But Proverbs 27, verse 27, the Bible says,
"And thou shalt have goats milk enough for thy food,
"for the food of thy house
"and for the maintenance of thy maidens."
So the Bible says that thou shalt have goats milk enough
for thy food.
It doesn't say for their food.
It doesn't say for the goat's food.
It says for thy food and the food of thy household.
So there's nothing wrong with me having goat's milk
or even better, cow's milk.
- Right, even better, I agree with that.
And I'd like to know what the alternative is.
So just no milk at all?
'Cause obviously she's not gonna prescribe
that you as an adult drink a different type of milk
that would come from humans.
I think, yeah, like almond milk.
Oh, okay.
So is that something that the nutritionist likes?
Yeah, maybe like almond milk.
I think there's a couple different milks like that.
Well, I mean, you look at in Genesis chapter 18
and verse number seven in the word of God,
the Bible says that Abraham ran unto the herd.
This is when the Lord appeared unto him
in the plains of Mamre.
And Abraham ran unto the herd and fetched a calf tender
and good and gave it unto a young man
and he hasted to dress it and he took butter and milk.
And the calf which he had dressed and set it before them
and he stood by them under the tree and they did eat.
So you have in Genesis chapter 18,
Abraham literally serving the Lord and angels milk.
I mean, if it's really that horrifying,
according to this pediatrician,
I'd love to know why the word of God
would reference it in that way.
And then you have Hebrews chapter five verse 12,
"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,
ye have need that one teach you again,
which be the first principles of the oracles of God,
and are become such as have need of milk,
and not of strong meat."
Yes, it's being used figuratively.
I mean, I understand that.
But what's it a figure of?
What does it symbolize?
Well, how about the word of God?
How about the very words of God that we live by?
And if my Bible, I mean, if the word of God
is used to typify, or I'm sorry,
if milk is used to typify the word of God,
and if carnal truths are used to expound on spiritual truths,
I'm going to conclude that milk is a good thing.
I don't think it's a logic, it's a leap of logic
to come to that conclusion.
Yes, meat is also used to symbolize the word of God,
and I would say that the milk of the word
are some of the more basic truths
that you find in scripture.
But either way, it symbolizes the Bible,
it symbolizes the word of God,
the more basic truth that you find in scripture.
And so for that reason, I would look at it
and I would say I'm gonna drink milk
and I'm gonna like it,
and there's nothing wrong with that.
Now, I do wanna bring this up
because when we talk on the subject of milk,
there's kind of this big divide
between some people who like raw milk
versus like pasteurized milk
or the ultra-pasteurized milk,
especially if you're gonna buy organic milk.
My family and I actually buy a lot of organic milk,
and typically, I think the only option
is like an ultra-pasteurized milk,
which the process of pasteurization is pretty simple,
just boiling the milk to a really high temperature
to try and destroy all bacteria that's in the milk
and then provide it that way.
Obviously it's cooled back down for consumption.
Yet a lot of people would say,
well, boiling the milk kills all of the good bacteria
that's in the raw milk.
And from my perspective, I'm not gonna disagree
with the idea that there's potentially good bacteria
in the raw milk, but I don't really like the idea
of someone demonizing the idea of pasteurized milk
or thinking that somehow it's wrong
because think about this verse,
and I know it's not exactly the primary interpretation
of the verse, but I wanna get your thoughts on this.
The Bible says, "Thou shalt not see the kid
in his mother's milk."
Okay, now this verse is certainly a prohibition.
So of course, the first application is a prohibition
on seething, just the literal interpretation.
You shouldn't take a baby goat and cook it
in its mother's milk.
Now this prohibition, though, I don't believe
it's prohibiting you on seething a kid,
cooking a kid and eating it.
Obviously, throughout the Bible, you have lots of people
killing kids and eating them.
There's certainly not a--
- Which a kid is.
- Yeah, there's certainly not a prohibition on--
- What's a kid?
- A kid is a baby goat.
- Let's define a child goat.
- There's also certainly not a prohibition on goat's milk,
as we evidenced, and I brought up another verse on that.
So to me, the only prohibition here
is simply seething a kid in his mother's milk.
But why would even bring up this particular process
of seething milk, like boiling milk,
if that's somehow bad or something?
Like, I don't think that seething milk is a bad thing.
And if you think about it,
especially in our world and culture today,
I mean, you go to these farms,
you have all these cows ranging, possibly,
a lot of them could have actual sicknesses,
they could have diseases.
You can't always necessarily monitor them to know
there could possibly be contaminants that get in
to the dairy or into the milk when they're being processed.
Is there a pro con to having actually boiled the milk
just to try and prevent some kind of contaminant
or something bad from getting in there?
And a lot of people, hey, if you have one cow
and it's your dairy cow and you milk that thing,
obviously you could probably feel pretty good
about the raw milk.
And a lot of people really like the cream
that comes with raw milk.
I'm not necessarily saying I'm against that,
but if I'm getting this from a factory,
if I'm getting this from a big farm,
a big conglomerate that's producing tons and tons of milk,
the idea of them pasteurizing it
doesn't really sound bad to me.
It sounds like a good idea.
I mean, I don't know what your thoughts are
on this particular issue.
- Well, I drink just the normal pasteurized milk myself.
However, I did try raw milk one time
and I thought it tasted really, really good.
I think that there's very strong proponents
of raw milk who make some good points.
I'm just not a subject matter expert.
But what I've heard is that some of the bacteria
that's boiled away during the pasteurization process
is actually beneficial for you in that.
So for that reason, some would point to the raw milk
and say, well, that's way better
because it includes the things
that the pasteurized milk doesn't.
During that process, it ends up vanishing away.
So I've heard that on the other side.
For me, again, I'm just not into it,
so I just drink the regular milk
that I would get from Kroger
and that my wife gets me to enjoy
with my Oreo O's every morning,
or sometimes Frosted Flakes.
But my point is, again, I can see what you're saying.
And I have said that, and I think that's probably true.
I mean, there are definitely, I think on the other side,
the attitude that, well, it's going through a factory,
they're probably getting rid of some things
that I wouldn't wanna have.
But I can see both sides when I've heard
people who are big proponents of raw milk
talk about some of the benefits associated with it.
And I think they make good points too, though.
- Well, again, when it comes to these subjects,
how can anybody be 100% certain?
I mean, are we gonna be able to really do
a scientific study where we have two people
that are identical with the exact same environmental factors
and we give one raw milk and another one pasteurized milk
and identify the health benefits of either versus contrary?
I mean, to me, it almost seems like preference
to some degree. - Yeah, perhaps it is.
Again, I just don't know.
I'm not an expert on this.
It's probable that it is just a preference.
And again, I thought raw milk,
I'm very much a politician on this.
I'll play both sides, really.
I think raw milk tastes really good.
And I've heard that it's good if you're trying to bulk up,
which I am, I'd like to bulk up a little bit.
So I like that about it.
But I'm gonna have the, or drink, I guess I should say,
I'm gonna also drink the pasteurized milk.
I don't see an issue with that.
So I really just like to play both sides on this issue.
- Well, honestly, I pretty much only drink
the ultra pasteurized milk, but I don't see,
maybe I'm just missing out.
- No, I'm the same way.
I've had raw milk maybe a few times in my life.
But, and when I had it, it was good.
It's just so much more convenient
for me to go to the supermarket
and just grab the milk off the shelf and have that.
- Well, the raw milk's very expensive though.
- Yeah, that's part of it.
- So, for a lot of people that get that.
But I know a lot of people really enjoy it, so.
- They do, they say it's the greatest thing.
- But obviously, if you drink raw milk,
you're gonna be closer to God, really strong.
You won't even have any problems.
- That's just, apparently.
- That's obviously, you know--
- Hey, you said it, not me.
- Yeah, but here's the thing.
I think that sometimes people get a little overboard
on these issues.
And I know a lot of people really like raw milk.
You know, I don't really see it being life-changing.
I think it's kind of a preference.
And I think a lot of these even fad diets,
people think that somehow by just getting the right diet,
their life's gonna be way better.
But is it any coincidence that the alphabet crew
always seem to eat at Whole Foods
and this organic food or whatever,
and they still have a death style?
So, you know, food can only take you so far
when it comes to lifestyle.
- Yeah, absolutely.
You can eat as organic as you want.
I don't care.
You can find the healthiest diet in the entire world.
If you're a reprobate, if you're an abomination,
if you're a hater of God,
then you're still gonna die early, statistically.
You're still a piece of crap scumbag,
and you're still gonna wake up in hell.
- Yeah, I mean, the thing is, to me,
when it comes to food, the most important elements
that people don't really talk about
are consumption and exercise.
- Yes. - Consumption and exercise.
Because think about it this way.
You know, we live in America where we have
almost every option available to us.
Fruits, vegetables, bread, gluten-free.
You have all kinds of, you have soy, you have vegan,
you have the Impossible Burger, which is disgusting.
You have just all these different things.
So you actually afford people to have these options of like,
well, I'm gonna have keto.
Well, I'm gonna do paleo.
Well, I'm gonna do carnivore.
Well, I'm gonna do Daniel, or I'm gonna, you know,
whatever it is.
Whereas you go to India and it's like,
I just wanna eat today.
- Yes.
- You go to these other countries, yet you look at--
- Africa.
- You look at all the rest of the world,
even in developed countries where they don't have
nearly a sophisticated appellate,
they don't have all these options,
they still live just as long.
I mean, in fact, I believe that statistically,
like Japanese people and Hispanic people,
people in Mexico have some of the longest lifespans.
And if you think about them,
they have very limited cuisine diets.
I mean, if you go to Mexico,
your options are Mexican food or Mexican food.
That's basically your options.
And I mean, if you look at Japan,
I mean, what are they eating?
Fish and rice?
I mean, that's gotta be like the vast majority
of their diet.
- Sushi, yeah.
- Yeah, raw fish. - Fish and rice, yeah, yeah.
- So, you know, tuna, they're gonna eat.
Obviously, they're gonna eat other things.
Cabbage, I think, is a pretty big deal
in Japanese culture.
What else?
They have noodles, so I guess they have some grains.
- You're making me hungry.
- But think about it, they're not even eating
a lot of vegetables and fruits, necessarily.
Yet, they're still living to have really long lives.
Because, you know, to me, it seems more consistent
what you, how much you're eating,
and if you're living an active lifestyle,
that's going to have more impact on your health
than necessarily exactly which fad diet you're going for.
Now, of course, there's going to be truth
to all of this stuff.
You are what you eat.
I remember my dentist was a vegan,
and the guy looked like he was about to die.
I mean, he was so frail and skinny
and just emaciated looking.
I kept thinking, like, you need a sandwich, bro.
- Yeah.
- Do you need to eat real quick before you, you know,
come and work on my teeth or something?
And, you know, I've never really seen people
that are true vegans.
I mean, there might be some exceptions out there,
but most true vegans are just very frail looking.
What would be your assessment?
I mean, do you meet a lot of these vegans
that are just ripped, shredded?
- No, I mean, you're not gonna see a vegan
that looks like Brock Lesnar.
I mean, that's just not gonna happen, right?
These are very skin and bones, real frail, real limp-wristed,
just like they're about to wither away,
almost, is how they look.
And the thing with it, you know,
I'm not trying to like,
if people wanna eat that, whatever,
here's the problem though,
is a lot of them have this smug attitude about it
because in their mind,
they're like fighting back against global warming.
This is their attempt to prevent global warming.
This is their attempt to save the animals.
- Well, if I eat a cow and that cow dies,
doesn't that help reduce the carbon footprint?
- Yeah, it does. - So basically,
I'm like one of the greatest climate-changing activists
on the planet. - You are single-handedly,
especially with your diet, preventing climate change.
- And I mean, I'm preaching for people to eat a lot of meat.
So we're really trying to reduce the carbon footprint.
- But here's the thing, though.
You might be helping to alleviate global warming,
but you're killing animals.
They don't like that.
They view animals as more valuable than babies.
So it's kind of like which one, you know,
pick your poison. - Well, you know what?
Obviously the worst offender of this climate act
of his agenda has to be Chick-fil-A
'cause they're trying to save all the cows.
- Yes, that's true.
- So you can't eat the chicken.
- Yeah.
- You gotta eat the steak.
- And they supposedly, you know, according to the left,
Chick-fil-A is like super hardcore
against the alphabet animals, even though they're not,
but that's a different topic for a different time.
My point is, no, you don't see it
and it's just a bunch of soy boys a lot of the time,
kind of walking up, going to Burger King.
Let me have my Impossible Whopper, please.
And it's just like, you need to just--
- Have you ever had an Impossible Burger?
- I have never had it.
I feel like if it were to get within an inch of my mouth
that I would vomit, maybe if I'm paid enough,
I would try it as a dare or something like that.
- Just off the top of your head,
would you think it's more likely
that I would eat an Impossible Burger or Indian food?
- Impossible Burger, if I had to guess.
- I would say Impossible Burger,
because at least you could douse it in ketchup and mayo,
cheese, oh, I don't know if you like cheese on your burger.
Do you?
- If it's an Impossible Burger, you could put anything in it.
You could put Balut on it.
- Yeah, you could put some Balut on there.
I think that if we could cover it up with enough stuff,
then you would eat it.
- Can I cover it in bacon and beef?
- Yeah, oh, well, I guess that defeats the purpose,
doesn't it? (laughing)
And beef.
- Yeah, can I put a beef patty on the Impossible Burger?
- This is what you do.
Go to Burger King, order an Impossible Burger,
but ask them to switch out the soy-based beef product
with real beef.
And there you go.
That's how you can have a Impossible Burger.
- All right, so that we're not just clickbait,
let's get into some of our topics.
We had keto on the list.
Why don't you give us,
you'd written down some things about keto.
What is keto?
Can you give us a little bit of a definition here, or?
- Keto, the ketogenic, let's try again.
The ketogenic diet is a high fat,
adequate protein, low carbohydrate diet.
And so there you go.
That's kind of a one sentence definition.
- Have you known people on keto?
- Well, I think pastor, didn't pastor Bruce Mahia
do it for a little while, or am I mistaken?
- I believe so, yeah.
- Yeah, I think he did it for a little while.
He's the only one that I personally know of
who did it for a short period of time.
I think, you know, I believe maybe, I can't remember.
I think my wife might've tried it,
but she didn't really go all the way with it
a number of years ago.
- Is it about getting your body,
it's getting yourself in ketosis?
- I believe so, yeah.
I believe that's kind of the idea.
But the thing is, is that people who engage in this,
people who go all in, they dive head first
into the keto diet, have experienced
what is often referred to as the keto flu.
And I was talking about this last night, actually.
This is kind of a weird phenomenon to me,
that you can get something called,
I don't know of any other diet, and maybe I'm wrong.
There might be a health expert out there
who's watching this podcast who's gonna immediately
fact check me in the chat room or whatever.
But I don't know of another diet
where you can get name of the diet flu, right?
That's very interesting to me.
But people have reported getting temporary symptoms
as a result of this diet, things like fatigue,
dizziness, nausea, vomiting, constipation even,
low exercise tolerance, headache,
and so it comes with a lot of different side effects
that aren't exactly pleasant.
But what are your thoughts on keto, Pastor Shelley?
Do you have any experience with it?
Do you know people who've done it and does it work?
- Well, it's my understanding that keto
is really kind of against bread.
Like bread's kind of like a big no-no.
- Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
Well, they're against carbs, a kind of low carb diet.
- Yeah, and obviously bread's full of carbohydrates.
Really a lot of, really kind of any grain.
I think you have to have specific keto-style grains.
I think they do sell them in the store.
I've seen a lot when I go shopping.
They'll say this is keto-friendly bread
or tortilla or pasta, those type of different things.
And I don't know what all they make them from.
I think it's various products that they make.
- Boy, I would be able to do that
'cause I eat so much pasta.
- I've tried some of this keto alternative grains
and it's definitely--
- How is it?
- It's different. - Ah, that means it sucks.
See, this it folks, that is code word for it sucks.
I'm assuming.
- It's not the best.
And-- - There you go.
- You know, again--
- Next time I take you out and you say that was different,
I know what you meant by that.
(Ben laughs)
- Yes, you're kind of different, Ben.
But when-- - Wow.
- But when, you know, you think about dieting,
obviously a caloric deficit is going to work, period.
And what a caloric deficit means
is your body expends so many calories per day.
As a man, it depends on how active you are,
how old you are, things like that.
But generally speaking, you know,
you're gonna range anywhere from 2,500, 3,500 calories a day.
As a man, I believe women, on average,
typically gonna be around 1,800 to 2,200 mark.
Again, there's a lot of variance there.
Depends on how tall you are, how active you are,
how old you are, different things like that.
But in order to essentially lose weight,
you have to eat less calories in total
than however many you're gonna expend that particular day.
So if you're averaging 2,500 calories a day,
you have to eat less than 2,500 calories to lose weight.
The thing is, they've measured a pound of fat,
and apparently it's approximately 3,500 calories.
So in order to lose one pound of fat,
you would have to have a 3,500 caloric deficit.
Of course, that can't be realized in one day
if you're 2,500, unless you worked out
1,000 calories extra on top of not eating,
which is probably almost nearly impossible.
So typically, people at max are gonna do
around 500 calories or 250 a day,
and so maybe over a period of a week,
they could lose anywhere from half a pound,
pound, maybe two pounds, depending on how aggressive
they were gonna try and be.
But again, if you try to be too aggressive,
it really makes it dangerous,
makes it almost physically impossible to do.
And another thing that can happen though,
is when you're on a caloric deficit,
if you're not working out, if you're not actually exercising,
you can actually eat some of your muscle too.
And so you won't necessarily,
it's not just because you're losing weight,
you're gonna lose fat.
It could actually attack and eat
and deteriorate some of your muscle.
- Yeah, you don't like that.
- Your body could, 'cause it's trying to just survive
in essence.
And so there's kind of a balancing back there.
And that's where you have a lot of these programs,
like Weight Watchers and these others
that are trying to kind of trick you
into having a caloric deficit
without actually telling you how to count calories.
But at the end of the day,
counting calories is really all there is to it.
And I've actually done this.
I actually lost over 20 pounds one time
doing a caloric deficit program.
I took 70 days and I was trying to have
around 200, 500 calorie deficit every day.
I was working out and I did.
But the problem is if you don't maintain
that particular lifestyle,
you're gonna add it all back just like that.
And it's no different with keto.
It's no different with any of these fad diets
that a lot of times keto is really just trying to trick you
into having a caloric deficit.
Because if you're not eating any carbohydrates,
if you're not eating bread,
those are what have a lot of calories.
Meat, especially like chicken, vegetables,
things like that.
They have a very small number of calories
in just comparison.
So typically when you're only eating those things
and you're not eating fast food or one of this stuff,
it's almost impossible to, you know,
not to exceed your caloric or calories for the day.
But one thing that's also a misnomer
is you could technically be on keto and not lose weight.
Because, you know, if you're eating tons and tons of meat,
I mean, if you're just eating like a lot of steak
or maybe like ribeye that has a lot of fat
and things like that,
then you could still be eating, you know,
3000 calories a day.
And then you're not even going to be losing weight.
And really what you're doing is you're just,
you're kind of not getting all the nutrients necessarily
that your body's used to,
and it could cause particular health problems
if you bring up this keto flu.
So, you know, and I'm not, again,
I'm not an expert on all these things.
It seems like there's been times in history
where people have had only meat diets
or only certain diets have been fine.
But what seems to me to be a common theme
is when people get used to a particular lifestyle
and then they change drastically
or they're not getting things that their body's used to,
that's when it kind of usually throws them off kilter.
You know, you think about like vegans.
If a vegan eats meat after having been away for a while,
often they get very sick.
You said then you've never heard of like this flu thing,
but I've heard a lot of vegans say
if they try animal products
after having been away for a while,
man, it really messes with them.
But again, my perspective is you could probably eat Twinkies
and live a really long life because the Bible says
that what's gonna give you a long life
is honoring thy father and thy mother.
It doesn't say what kind of diet you had.
Isn't it interesting people?
I mean, you'll meet all kinds of old people.
They smoke and they drink Coke
and they do all these things
and they live to be 120 years old.
- Well, it goes to show you that sometimes
it's just kinda, hey, if the Lord wants you
to have a long life, you're gonna have a long life.
If you obey your parents, like the Bible says,
thy days will be long upon the land
that the Lord thy God giveth thee.
- Well, think about the children of Israel.
Didn't they wander through the wilderness?
What is the only thing they eat?
Manna and quail. - Manna from heaven.
Yeah, quail, that's a good one.
- But, you know, they're not getting into vegetables.
- Yeah.
- They're like, oh, I miss all the cucumbers
and the melons and the garlic and the onion.
- Exactly.
- But they basically just have bread.
You know, Jesus' prayer says,
give us this day our daily--
- Bread.
And what I don't like is when people demonize things
in the Bible that are just consistently brought up
in a positive light.
Milk is constantly brought up in a positive light.
Bread is constantly brought up in a positive light.
Here's another one.
Meat, for all those vegans out there.
- Oh, absolutely.
The strong meat of the word.
- Meat is just constantly brought up.
Not even just a spiritual picture.
Just a literal, carnal, I wanna give a verse here, picture.
Genesis nine, verse three.
This is Noah and them getting off the ark.
God says unto them, every moving thing.
Let me emphasize this again.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you,
even as the green herb have I given you all things.
So right there on the Bible,
it says that every animal is good.
And you know, some people don't,
they still try to go to these dietary laws
and think that like, oh, well we can't eat pork,
or we can't eat bacon.
You know, Joel Osteen literally got up
and said that it was wrong to eat bacon.
But this is the doctrine of devils in 1 Timothy.
- Yeah, exactly.
Plus the guy that never preaches hard about anything
and has zero standards,
the one time he chooses to have a standard,
it's about something that the Bible explicitly tells you
with the New Testament has been fulfilled.
Can you believe that?
It's like incredible.
- Now, if anybody wants to come in and share, you know,
one of their diets or something that they are on,
you can call in to 231 Baptist.
Again, that's 231 Baptist.
And we might take a few calls right now
if you want to call in.
But again, there's a lot of Bible
on this particular issue.
- With keto especially.
- Give me some more meat verses.
- Well, can I do a bread real quick?
- Go for it.
- In John chapter six, just 'cause I had it pulled up,
John chapter six, verse 41,
Jesus Christ said, "I am the living bread
which came down from heaven.
If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.
And the bread that I will give is my flesh,
which I will give for the life of the world."
So Jesus Christ refers to himself as the living bread,
the fulfillment of the manna that came down from heaven,
which by the way, Numbers chapter 11 tells us was beaten,
which is a picture of Christ, Jesus was beaten as well.
So for bread to be demonized by a lot of these fad diets
and including in keto, I think is counter
to what the scriptures tell us in the sense
that bread is used to typify Jesus Christ.
And so therefore, it's hard to look at it negatively.
Well, again, we're not saying that people that do keto
are bad or something, or there's anything wrong with that.
If you want to lose weight doing keto, go for it.
But what I don't like is people that get on keto
will then say that somehow bread's just bad, period,
and that no one should eat bread,
everybody should avoid bread,
or there's something wrong with bread.
Obviously, there's nothing wrong with bread.
If you want to argue about processed foods
or maybe some of the methods by which people make bread,
you know, we could talk about that,
but bread in general, according to scripture,
is a great thing.
It's what we should base our daily living on,
according to Jesus Christ.
Give us this day our daily bread.
Can you imagine Jesus Christ,
he's giving a model prayer,
and the one item he asked for is somehow bad?
I mean, that just seems really bad,
like a really satanic doctrine.
- Yeah, the idea that you should never eat it.
- I mean, another satanic doctrine, 1 Timothy 4,
says, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,
that in latter times some should depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils,
speaking lies and epoxy,
having the conscience seer to the hot iron,
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,
which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving
of them which believe and know the truth
for every creature of God is good,
and nothing to be refused to be received with thanksgiving."
Does that include Balut?
- Yes, it does.
(laughing)
- Now, wait a minute.
It says, "If it be received with thanksgiving."
- That's true.
- So, you know, there's my caveat
on why I don't have to eat every single meat,
but hey, if you do it, at least it's sanctified.
Make sure you pray for that meal, okay?
You wanna pray and make sure--
- Pray extra hard when you have that Balut.
- Pray extra hard on the Balut.
And you know, I'll say this.
As much as I despise the globalists
and what they're saying,
obviously there's technically nothing wrong
with eating crickets.
I mean, we have John the Baptist
eating locusts and wild honey.
Not necessarily the most exquisite cuisine,
yet I can't argue and say
that there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah, and because that's what the Bible says.
I'll hit you with another one.
In Acts chapter 10 verse 13,
"And there came a voice to him,
'Rise, Peter, kill and eat.'
Verse 14,
'But Peter said,
'Not so, Lord,
for I have never eaten anything
that is common or unclean.'
And the voice spake unto him again
the second time,
'What God hath cleansed,
that call not thou common.'"
So again, in the New Testament,
the dietary laws have been fulfilled
and we no longer have to follow them.
And as Pastor Shelley alluded to,
if you receive it with thanksgiving,
if you pray before you eat,
it's sanctified in that way.
And have at it, hos.
You know, that's the way I look at it.
But the Bible talks about the hard meat,
you know, the meat of the world,
the strong meat, excuse me, the strong meat of the word.
It's been a long week already for me.
The strong meat of the word that the Bible refers to.
Again, symbolically talking about some of the more complex
portions of scripture.
To me, to demonize eating that just doesn't make sense
because if the Bible is going to use something that is carnal
to expound that which is spiritual,
then you have to realize both sides of the equation
are going to be true.
The carnal truth will be a truth and it will expound on
that which is spiritual, which is the Word of God.
And I think we're really, we're triggering people here,
Pastor Shelley, who are screwed up on this issue
and want to try and follow the old covenant laws.
Well, you know, I found the Joel Osteen clip.
I'm going to see if, I tried to send it to our production staff.
To me, it's incredible.
The guy who has no standards.
I want to see if we can put this in our show for a second.
When he finally decides to have a standard,
he picks the one doctrine that Hebrews 9 and a lot of other scriptures as well explicitly
says has been, a lot of scriptures tell us that those have been fulfilled.
That particular aspect of the Mosaic law has been fulfilled.
So it truly is unreal and it just shows you that these false prophets are allergic to
the truth.
Well, what's funny is you got the guy who doesn't preach against anything.
I mean, if you were going to typify Joel Osteen, he's like, "I'm for everybody.
I'm not against anyone."
He's just always so positive and encouraging.
But then he had to preach against one thing, the one negative thing, and it just happens
to be, according to the scripture, a doctrine of devils.
I mean, is there any coincidence?
What I said, but I like how you put it better.
Let's just start this clip here and play a little bit of it.
I know the video sucks, but let's just play the audio.
Let's just play it.
Let's talk a moment about pork, ham, bacon, pepperoni.
These are some of the things that the scripture tells us we should not eat.
The ushers have already locked the doors.
This has to do with anything that comes from a pig, a hog, a swine.
I know some of you love pork chops.
You love ham and cheese sandwiches.
I grew up on all that.
I love bacon, but for our health's sake, we have to be willing to make some changes.
God knows what's best for us, and back in the Bible days, the pig was considered unclean.
It was never considered a source of food, and one of the main reasons why was the pig
will eat anything.
A pig eats waste and garbage.
This is kind of gross, but a pig will eat its own dead child.
A pig will eat other sick and infected animals.
They're scavengers.
And what's interesting is the pig has one of the quickest and poorest digestive systems
of any animal.
It takes only four hours, and that's not good.
Because the digestive system is so quick and so poor, many times the toxins from the food
are not properly eliminated and they are stored in the pig's fat.
That means that pig can eat all kinds of filth and garbage.
It can eat other infection.
Four hours later it's sent to the slaughter and butchered and a few days it's on your
plate at home.
You're having ribs.
The problem is the toxins were never properly eliminated from the pig.
On the other hand, the animals that God says are okay for us to eat, like cow, lamb, deer,
buffalo, these animals eat fresh, clean vegetation.
Their digestive system is much more sophisticated.
In fact, a cow basically has three stomachs, and that fresh, clean vegetation is processed
through a digestive system that takes 24 hours.
Think about it, 24 hours versus 4 hours.
Would you rather eat an animal that eats waste and filth or an animal that eats fresh, clean
vegetation?
An animal that poorly processes the food and stores the toxins in its fat or an animal
that properly eliminates the toxins from its body?
I don't know about you, but I don't want to take a chance at putting that kind of junk
in my body.
And as I said, I love bacon, but a few years ago, we switched over and started eating turkey
bacon.
I can't tell the difference now.
I love pizza, but I don't eat pepperoni anymore.
I made changes, not only for my health's sake, I made changes to honor God.
And I believe that if I'll do what I can to take care of myself, God will do what I can.
Anyone else the Bible tells us we should stay away from is any kind of shellfish.
Shrimp, crabs, clams, oysters, lobsters.
Again, would y'all quit being so rebellious today?
I'm ruining all y'all's lunch.
These are animals that are scavengers.
Do you know they live at the bottom of the water and they eat waste?
They eat the excretement of other animals.
And I love fried shrimp, but when I think about what that shrimp eats for dinner, it's
just not that appetizing anymore.
We should be eating more fresh fish, fresh salmon, grilled fish is some of the best things
for us.
At our home, we tend to eat a lot of chicken.
All right.
We can come up with that clip.
I mean, what in the world?
This guy is basically teaching for us to abstain from eating certain kinds of meats.
I mean, talk about a doctrine of devils for Joel Osteen to get up here and tell you not
to eat bacon.
And look, you know how I know you're a false prophet?
You say that turkey bacon tastes the same as regular bacon.
I mean, what a false prophet.
What a liar.
There's no way, turkey bacon tastes like it's barely even meat.
I mean, that's not even real bacon.
That's ridiculous.
I mean, it's almost like soy at that point.
I mean, how is this guy, how this guy's going to teach this junk and people are still going
to go to his church?
I mean, what kind of a weird, bizarre idea?
It's like basically the devil just inhabited this guy and is just like, let me just preach
for a little while.
He looked like he was demon possessed.
Somebody said that in the chat room.
I agree.
Jesus, you know, Matthew chapter number 15 verse 11 said, "Not that which goeth into
the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth this defileth a man."
And I find it interesting that Joel Osteen is going to obsess over what he's consuming
and talk about how all these dietary laws which have been fulfilled, Hebrews chapter
9 tells us so, which totally in meats and drinks and diverse washings and carnal ordinances
opposed on them until the time of reformation, it says, but he wants to talk about that and
make a big deal about that, when in reality, it's what comes out of his mouth on a regular
basis that defiles him, that makes him abominable in the sight of God as a false prophet leading
many to hell.
Well, you know, it's funny because you just see all these bizarre ideas about physical
diets, but doesn't it seem to have like a tie to spiritual diets?
It's like all these people want to teach all this junk and avoid, you know, the bread,
avoid the milk, avoid the meat.
Aren't all three of those pictures of the scripture?
Bread of life, the milk of the word, the meat of the word, yeah.
Yeah, the meat of the word.
And it's like these three things are attacked constantly by false prophets, teachers, these
weird diets and all kinds of stuff physically, but is it not almost like a pseudo attack
on the word of God itself?
And you know what?
I'll be honest.
You say what kind of diet do you have, Pastor Shelley?
Bread, milk and meat.
Man, do I love it.
And I eat a lot of vegetables, too.
Frankly speaking, at the beginning of the Bible, and I put a verse in my notes here.
What about butter?
Amen.
I love butter.
Genesis 119, I'm sorry, Genesis 129, "And God said, 'Behold, I have given you every
herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth and every tree, and which
is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, and to you it shall be for meat.'"
So, according to the Bible, all the fruits and vegetables, the seeds, you know, meat,
the milk, the bread, it seems like all of the stuff that God gave us in its purest form
seems to be the best stuff.
Yeah.
How about honey?
The Bible also refers to honey as being representative of His Word.
In Isaiah 7:14, it says, I think in the Canadian version, it's syrup.
It could be syrup.
Canadian syrup is very tasty, and so shout out to our producer, Tim, since he's from
Canada.
Isaiah 7 says in verse 14, "Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give you a sign.
Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good."
Well, since he's from the land of Canada, does that mean that he, you know, is Canadian
bacon like a pass on this one?
Yeah.
I like Canadian bacon.
I think it's pretty good.
It's definitely not turkey bacon.
No.
They also have something, and maybe Tim you could say it in my ear, the name of this food,
but it's like a beaver tail and they put like syrup on it.
It's really good.
Yeah.
He said it sounds right.
So beaver's tail.
You should look at it.
It's like...
Is it called something?
I think it's just beaver's tail.
I'm pretty sure it's what it's called.
It's fantastic.
I had it one time when I went to visit Quebec and they sold it at a local...
Is there anything you won't eat?
Yes.
It's the weird Chinese food.
But you had octopus.
Octopus is good.
Like if you said, "Pastor Shelley, I have monkey or octopus on the table."
Octopus.
What are you nuts?
I would probably eat the monkey.
What?
Especially snake.
A lot of people eat snake.
They say it's really good.
That's gross.
Fried snake?
Ugh.
Why?
I mean, what is the experience of eating octopus?
It's got that nice texture to it.
Nice texture.
Isn't it slimy?
Yeah, but that's what makes it good.
It's got a little bit of a rubbery kind of...
It's like a gummy bear or something?
Yeah, but it's very tasty.
Like a slimy gummy bear, but not sugary?
No, I went to a seafood place here in town that sold little mini octopus.
Octopi?
I don't know.
Little octopus like this big.
I put it in my hand post for a picture with it and actually sent you the photo.
You responded with a vomit emoji, which I thought was, you know, very mean and hateful.
But no, I think it's very tasty.
That was the point.
Yeah.
It hurt my feelings.
Psalm 119, 103, how sweet are thy words under thy, excuse me, how sweet are thy words under
my taste, yea sweeter than honey to my mouth.
Show me the octopus in the Bible.
I'd have to do a word search.
I don't know off the top of my head, but if I'll get back to you on that, I'll get back
to you.
See, this is why I get every creature.
Everything is good.
If it's if you eat it with Thanksgiving and you pray for it, you sanctify it through prayer.
Every moving thing.
What about?
What about dog?
It was between dog and monkey, monkey.
OK.
Yeah, for sure.
See, I think I might go dog on that one.
That's why.
What?
I mean, if you've ever eaten at a Thai restaurant, you probably have already had it.
Maybe that's what I thought the orange chicken was.
I think I ordered.
I think in Europe, it's it's common.
Eat horse.
Have you heard about?
No.
It's common in the United States.
Just go to Taco Bell.
Oh, is that horse meat?
Yeah.
That's the joke.
I mean, every time I go to Taco Bell, it's just diarrhea.
That's usually what I'm eating.
Look, we can be in one accord on that 100%.
I think Taco Bell is absolutely disgusting.
You know what would be funny?
The guy that did the Super Size Me, if someone did a 30-day Taco Bell, let's see if they
could survive.
Yes.
Well, no, they would die.
I mean, that's for sure.
Well, they thought he was going to die in the Super Size Me.
Yeah.
Well, he actually, it's funny, he ended up doing a sequel to that, which I actually thought
was even better, where he kind of talked about the marketing that a lot of these fast food
chains use and the key words that they use to sucker people in.
Like for example, they use the word "fresh".
I mean, what does that even, like, yeah, that's supposed to make you think that it's healthier
than it really is.
Or they'll use certain colors.
So are you saying you don't like McDonald's?
Let's not go that far.
That psychologically kind of manipulate you into believing that what you're eating is
really good for you when it's not.
So if you had to eat McDonald's every day for the rest of your life, or never have
it again, what would you choose?
Or never have it again?
Yes.
Good night.
I mean, that's a tough one.
I'd eat it every day.
I'd get fries.
I mean, this isn't you not specifying.
I'd go grab me some fries, or I mean I could diversify the diet.
I knew that would be a tough one for you.
No, I'd have fries one day, I could have an Oreo McFlurry another day, you know.
I have, we have in our notes, you have something even weirder, like a weird diet, the clay
diet.
Let's go over that.
Well, tell me about this.
So here's another fad diet I've heard of.
So here's essentially what it is.
It's people who want to lose weight, and so, and they want to lose it as quickly as possible.
So what they do is they'll put dirt in their water, I'm not even kidding, clay diet, they
put dirt in their water, and then this is the way-
Is this called tea?
No.
Oh.
It's coffee.
Evidently.
They, I'm not a giant coffee guy, so that didn't defend me, but I'm sure Dylan's really
pissed off.
This is what the advocates of the clay diet will claim, that it actually will help you
lose weight by putting clay in the water.
The idea is that- I'm just going to read what I have in my notes here.
The idea is that bentonite clay, a super absorbent volcanic ash, will remove toxins and heavy
metals from your body.
Upon ingestion, the clay swells up to 12 times its size and pushes out slow-moving waste
in the gut, boosting your metabolism.
Stars like Shailene Woodley, you've heard of her, right?
No.
And Zoe Kravitz, I mean, these are A-listers right here.
Is that Lenny Kravitz's daughter or something?
Evidently have done it, I don't know who Lenny Kravitz is either, and you can find clay pills
on the market too.
The main selling point is weight loss, you want to lose 10 pounds in 12 days, sign me
up, right?
Slow down.
Dr. Anton Emmanuelle, a gastrointestinal lologist, I butchered that, at University
College Hospital, London says, "The clay acts as a resin and binds everything, both good
and bad, making it harder for the body to digest vital nutrients such as iron and calcium.
Eating clay can also perforate your bowels and cause heart and kidney failure."
Now, doesn't that sound like fun, kids?
You know, I've seen, I've seen like ads or something for, I, it might have been this
clay diet, but it was basically just, it was like, it was like called mud water.
Have you ever seen the ad for that?
I've never seen the ad for that.
It was like, instead of drinking coffee, drink this mud water.
And it reminds me of like putting dirt basically in water, which you know, what's the difference
between that and coffee anyways, really, but sorry to offend everyone.
Actually, I'm not that sorry, but you know, that's what, that's my running joke is that
tea and coffee are basically dirt water.
So you know, hey, we are dirt.
So you are what you eat.
So exactly.
So it sounds like you just defeated your own talking point.
You're replacing all that dirt in your body.
How about juicing?
This is one that I kind of wanted to talk about a little bit.
And this was actually I have some experience with not personally, but my wife had done
this for an extended period of time.
And I'll just read you what I have here.
From celebrities and food bloggers to so-called health gurus, everyone's talking about juicing
and its incredible quote unquote benefits.
Proponents claim that fasting with juices energizes the body, ignites weight loss,
improves sleep and increases lifespan.
This is from Livestrong.com.
This practice is supposed to clear your skin, boost your metabolism, flush toxins from your
system.
Unfortunately, most claims lack scientific evidence.
Now here's the thing about juicing is that people will do it and what I mean by this
is they'll literally only drink juice.
They won't have any solid food for an extended period of time and they'll drop a bunch of
weight but the common theme with a lot of these diets is that you drop a bunch of weight
initially as a direct result of the diet and then as soon as you get off of it, as soon
as you go back to eating what you were eating before, you go ahead and you put all the weight
back on again and in many cases you end up putting on more weight than you had before
you started the cleanse, the diet, whatever the case may be and juicing is another example
of this where it really does more harm than good in my opinion because of the very quick
weight loss that results in a very quick weight gain after you get off the juice cleanse.
This is what my wife experienced way back in the day. She did this for a long time and
it just didn't work. She got the weight off, she put it right back on again and there were
a lot of very serious health issues that she went through as a result. She did. She went
through some really bad things and some of which I actually don't want to share, but
it was bad and it was because of the juicing, because of the lack of meat in her diet. Her
body took years to recover from this and praise the Lord, it did. And I'm really happy for
her. But Pastor, this one I think is bad.
Yeah, I'm glad to hear your wife got better after that. You know, my wife and I have had
just kind of a, maybe a traditional diet most of the time. We eat pasta, we eat bread, we
eat meat, we eat vegetables. We just kind of eat, you know, a lot of the normal stuff.
And you know, my wife and I had decided to kind of do a diet together more recently.
And I was just kind of telling her, "Well, you know, the really thing that works is counting
calories." So I just kind of taught my wife how I did that and just getting kind of a
notebook and just writing out your entire meal, everything you eat for the whole day.
And then you can start seeing how many calories you're consuming regularly and then you just
make an adjustment.
You just say, "Okay, well, I'm going to cut back and do whatever it is, 400, 600 calories
less than I was." And that's how you lose weight. And you know, I had my wife do this
and she honestly lost a lot of weight doing this program. And while you certainly can
add it back, it's not necessarily going to be super quick unless you just really overgorge.
And if you actually kind of limit yourself and learn how to limit yourself, work out,
you can actually maintain. And we didn't really change what we were eating as much as we were
just changing maybe the quantity, your portion, more portion control, things like that. And
when you actually limit your diet, you actually realize that food tastes so much better. You
get so much more excited to eat. You didn't have to eat as much as you were before. I
ended up, while we were talking though, I made a poll and it's on our Baptist Bias channel.
So if you go to the Baptist Bias channel, go to the community tab, there's a poll that
I want you to do, especially if you're listening or anywhere. Go out there and check this out.
But I want to get your feedback right now. If you could only eat one new IFB cuisine
for the rest of your life, what would you choose? And so I tried to pick four restaurants
that I thought were kind of our new IFB cuisine. So here they are. Number one, Panera. Number
two, Chipotle. Number three, In-N-Out Burger. It's kind of your West Coast. And number four,
Outback. Oh, Outback. That's easy. See, I knew I would win this. Yeah, that's easy.
I love Outback. Outback's tremendous. Their steaks are great. Flavorful, tender. Yeah,
Outback. They can't eat breakfast. You can't? They don't have breakfast. They don't have
breakfast. Well, I'll have a steak for breakfast then. Well, yeah, but they're not open. Oh,
they're not open. Whatever. I'll skip breakfast. I skip breakfast a lot anyway, so. Yeah, there
you go. Yeah, I don't really care. I mean, Panera, you can get breakfast. Yeah, but it's
Panera. Did Chipotle have breakfast? I'm not a huge Panera guy. Yes, my new IFB credentials
I guess have just been stripped. Proverbs 27, I want to quote this very quickly. It
says in verse 7, "The full soul loatheth in honeycomb, but to the hungry soul every bitter
thing is sweet." And I just wanted to bring that up in response to what you said about
how food tastes a lot better for you. And I think it's just because of the fact that
you're not full all the time. Well, I just want to say this. On our poll
so far, 0% for in and out. Wow. Well, that says something, doesn't it?
You want to know why? Because they have two items on their menu and one of them sucks.
The fries are horrifying. So it's like, would you want to only eat burgers for the rest
of your life? It's like eating cardboard. Well, I don't
even do the fries. I just go get a burger and one of their shakes, but with all the
flavors at the same time. They call Neapolitan, I think. That's good, but I don't even do
the fries anymore. I just gave up on the fries.
Their menu is like, "Do you want a burger with ketchup or mustard?" It's like, that's
their menu. I am interested. Does Chipotle have breakfast? Do we know?
I have no idea. I don't think In-N-Out does, right? They
just have burger. Yeah, I don't believe so, but I don't know.
I don't know when they open. They're open pretty late, though, right?
They're usually open late. I remember after Red Hot, we ordered a bunch. After the Red
Hot Preaching Conference, we ordered a bunch of In-N-Out.
It seems like when you go to California, it's just everything's fine and then just In-N-Out
just has like cars just circling the restaurant. People love going there. I'll even say this,
maybe I'm wrong because I've had it in Texas and then I've also had it in California. To
me, it tastes a little better in California. They got a sympathy vote.
For what? For In-N-Out.
Yeah. We have 17 votes so far. Outback is the clear winner. We have Chipotle and Panera
tied for second and In-N-Out's dead last. We'll let that run. I'm sure we'll get several
more votes here. Pastor Aaron Thompson gave his opinion on Chipotle. He said Chipotle Gay.
That must mean that it's a very happy place. Oh, that's what that means. Yes. Okay. Well,
I know that we've talked a lot about these diets. It's making me hungry. I probably need
to go eat something. Did it make you want to have Coke? We got another extra one here.
You want it? I'm kind of in the mood for some ballot now. Ballot. Ballot. Ballot mixed with
some octopus. Nice. All in Indian. I'm glad to see your palette has finally evolved because
of this show. Isn't this great, folks? We have gotten Pastor Shelley to evolve his diet
live on the air. He just endorsed, officially, octopus and Balloot. I mean, if looking at
Balloot doesn't make you just scream, "I want to eat that," then... You don't even have
a soul. Probably not. Well, thank you so much, guys, for tuning in to The Baptist Bias. We
definitely try to have a little bit of fun on the show. We still got several more episodes
this season. We're going to have some special guests, so you want to make sure you're tuning
in. Of course, we like to take call-ins, so if you want to try and call in, try and catch
the show live. We have the show live on Tuesdays, 8 p.m. We have it on Facebook and YouTube
and all kinds of different places. Why don't you tell us where we're at, Ben? What's our
list of options here? You can also subscribe to our podcast using the keywords The Baptist
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Podbean as well. So make sure you subscribe there and you can listen to this show on the
go. Well, that's going to pretty much do it for us. Have a good night. Ben, sign us off.
Well, thank you for listening. We appreciate the support. We'll be back again next Tuesday night,
8 p.m. Central Time, 9 p.m. Eastern for Pastor Shelley. This is Benjamin Naim signing off for
another edition of the Baptist Bias and we will talk to you guys again after a while.