Alright, how's it going everyone? This is the Baptist Bias and we're here for the Fire Breathing
Baptist Fellowship night two, a pre-show. Pastor Aaron Thompson is with me, but I'll also have
Pastor Steven Anderson, Pastor Jonathan Shelley, and Pastor Dave Berzins coming on a little bit
later here in the broadcast. But for now, we're going to throw it over to our intro package right
now. We're here for another day of the Fire Breathing Baptist Fellowship. It's Friday night,
and if you haven't seen yesterday's sermons, then you need to go over to the Rumble channel,
Steadfast Baptist Church over on Rumble, and check out the sermon by Pastor Bruce Mejia. Check out
the sermon by Pastor Roger Jimenez, and both of them preached fire sermons, certainly fit the theme
of our conference. And Pastor Shelley typically hosts the show, but he's running late. We also
have a couple of other pastors, like I said, at the opening of the broadcast that are joining
us as well. They're running late, so they'll pop in whenever they arrive. But for now, we
do have Pastor Aaron Thompson with us. Pastor Thompson, how are you doing?
Excited to be here.
I appreciate you coming on and being a part of this podcast. To start off here,
like I said, day two, night two, whatever you want to call it, of the Fire Breathing Baptist
Fellowship. And again, I know we've hammered it on the last podcast, but I want to hammer it again.
Go over to the Steadfast Baptist Church Rumble channel and check out the preaching from yesterday.
But also today, Pastor Berzins and Pastor Anderson will be preaching for us tonight,
and so you don't want to miss their sermons. But right here on the podcast,
before we get to their preaching, we're talking about the hobby horse issue of the week. This
is what everybody has been talking about. Everybody's been giving their two cents
on this issue over the last several days, and that is, of course, Israel. Israel was recently
attacked by Hamas, and so people have been giving their opinions either for or against Israel.
People have been talking about the Jews. They've been talking about the nation of Israel. They've
been talking about what the Bible says even on this issue. You've had some arguments going on
back and forth, and so we figured right here on the Baptist Bias that we would give our view on
this issue through the lenses of the King James Bible and of course with a Baptist Bias. That's
the point of the show. And Pastor Thompson, I wanted to start off in asking you this question.
I'm sure you've heard of what recently occurred in Israel. What are your thoughts on, just on
the onset, I know we're not like obsessed with politics here in the new IFB, but what are your
thoughts on what happened, the story of this Hamas attack on Israel? Do you buy everything the media
is selling? Just give your overall thoughts on this event that occurred there in Israel.
Well, I mean, I've paid attention to a little bit. I think we're on like day seven since it
happened or something. Yeah, I think so. I mean, when the media talks, usually a lot of what they
say is just a blatant lie. So it's kind of hard to believe. And then when you add the Jews on top of
that, it's like it could be a double lie. So I'm not saying anything didn't happen or anything like
that. I don't really know. I wasn't there. I've seen some of the video, a little bit of it. And
you know, I mean, you know, it's terrible. You know, I'm not for bloodshed or violence or anything
like that. And I think it's wicked that it was done by whoever it was done by. And I just think
that, you know, people are just rushing, like, you know, the the Fox Baptist that they are the Fox
Christians that they are, they're jumping to, hey, let's turn it into a parking lot. Let's turn it
into a sea of glass, that kind of stuff. And there's like over 2 million people that live in
that it's like one of the most densely populated areas in the whole world. That little strip in
Gaza, it's just like a little, a little sliver. And then Israel surrounds it completely. They
control everything that goes in and out of there. They control the transportation, the food, the gas,
everything. And they're saying, Hey, you guys need to get out of there. It's like, where are they
going? How are they? Where are they going to go to? And so I mean, a lot of people have thought
that, you know, someday there would be some kind of war that involved Israel that jumps us into
end times. And I'm not saying that that's what it is. But I mean, it's definitely they're declaring
war on a nation. And there's they're calling it Hamas. You know, as far as I know, it's not
called Hamas, where all those people live, it's called, you know, Palestine. So there's a lot of
innocent people, I'm sure are going to get killed over this whole thing. And people would say, well,
yeah, there's a lot of people in Israel that got killed. But they're like, this is the worst thing
since the Holocaust. And, you know, I'm not sure whether that's true or not. But they're just really
stoking the engines of war for us to get into some big, huge battle. And, of course, the United
States is just like, we got your back, Israel. And now the Democrats even got Israel's back. So
that's kind of a change in politics that I've seen over the years. So, I mean, I'm definitely
not for war at all. I'm a Christian. And I don't believe in, you know, battles of the flesh. But
it's just a way, it's just the way this world is. And am I for or against Israel? I mean,
they don't believe on Christ. They're not the true Israel. Christians are the true Israel. So,
I mean, it's hard for me to support people that don't love the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well, I think it's great that I'm here with the inventors of replacement theology this evening.
That is so cool. Pastor Shelley, I'm going to throw the baton back over to you.
Well, I'm glad I got to stumble in a little late. Sorry about that. Thanks so much,
Pastor Thompson and Ben for kicking the show off. And of course, we're here also with Pastor Stephen
Anderson. He's gonna be preaching this evening. Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, it's great
to be here. So I guess we're jumping right into it. We're talking about the Israel Hamas conflict
that's going on. A lot of controversy, a lot of rumors, a lot of things. I'm kind of curious,
what are your thoughts about, you know, some of this news? Have you even paid attention to it at
all? You know, unfortunately, I can't really speak about it because I don't know anything
about it. I haven't read a single article. I haven't listened to any of it. So I don't even
really know what's going on. I've only seen the memes, you know, at this point. You're caught
up. You probably know more than most people at that point. Yeah, I guess... Well, like, my finger
is getting sore from pushing the like button because, like, my Facebook feed is just flooded
with all these, like, Bible verses against Jews and, like, all the verses about how Israel is
not legitimate. I think it's Pastor Bruce Mejia that's been pumping out a lot of those images.
And just so many people on my friends list are sharing them that I'm just, like, getting sore
finger just from hitting like on all of them. But I literally have no idea what's going on over there.
Just some kind of fighting. It's a war. I don't know if it's a big deal, if it's exaggerated,
is it small? Because frankly, I just don't know, don't care. Because, you know, I believe that the
United States should have an isolationist foreign policy, like the founding fathers envisioned,
and like Ron Paul pretty much preached. And, you know, "Trade with all, alliance with none"
is a great motto. And let's face it, on the one side, you've got the Muslims. On the other side,
you've got Jews. They're both of Satan. And so, you know, let them be anathema. You know,
Jesus Christ gets all the glory and these people are all doomed and going to hell anyway. So...
Well, I want to ask, have we played the Greg Locke clip?
We played no clips yet. I wanted to save that for when we get here.
So, just for our audience's sake and Pastor Anderson's sake, there's been some attacks by
supposedly Hamas groups in Israel. I believe they suggest that thousands of people have died
already. Some people are taken captive. And Israel has declared war on Hamas, is telling
people to leave Gaza because they're going to go and perform unprecedented tactics in the Gaza Strip.
Potentially, we don't know what that means, but they're just basically hinting at the idea that
they're going to do something really extreme, really radical, that hasn't been done in a long
time. And so there's just a lot of animosity. And there's even preachers in America that are
so amped up that they're basically just literally calling for all Palestinians to just be genocided.
And it's not even hyperbole. I want to play a clip here from your favorite preacher, Greg Locke.
And this guy is really showing his pro-Israel side here. Let's play a quick clip from him.
Clip number one, Greg Locke, and his comments on Israel.
Blow them shofars. Whoever got a shofar in the house, I don't care if you're up here
and I just blow them shofars. When they blow them shofars,
I want you to lift the lid off his place with shout to the Lord.
Somebody says, "Well, what's the land deed to the nation of Israel?"
Right here is the deed to their land right here.
Any nation that turns against the Jewish people is in the sewer dump of history.
Any individual that turns against the Israeli nation, any church, any community, any group,
any sect, any denomination that has ever come out against the nation of Israel
is in the sewer dump of the Encyclopedia Britannica. That's the facts.
The reason God has blessed America so greatly is not because we're so wonderful and so righteous.
Good grief we're unrighteous right now. It's because we've been an ally and a friend to the
nation of Israel. That is why God has blessed us. Israel should make the Gaza Strip a parking lot
by this time next week. Destroy the whole thing. What they ought to do is evacuate up there on the
hill and get a great big missile and blow that wicked dome of the rock plum off of the spot
where it's standing right now so we can get that third temple rebuilt and us you're in the coming
of Jesus. The dollar automatically comes out of the Global Vision Bible Church account and goes
straight to Israel. It's the first of the month. It's we tithe to God's people literally every
single month because when I say stuff like this we get letters in the mail and we get like phone
calls and look save your letters save your stamp save your phone call save your text message
save your insert save all of it if you're gonna try to tell me about these fake jews that are the
synagogue of satan and this is not really the nation of save your breath because i'm not hearing
it not paying you any credence whatsoever we're not having coffee about it you can mail me a
thousand books and on october 31st i'll put them in the witchcraft pile when we burn the rest of
that occult nonsense everybody hearing me so apparently greg locks gonna get a bunch of
books of the revelation and burn them here at the end of the month since uh he's so against any
rhetoric against israel i think he needs to read revelation two and three again where it talks about
the jews and how they're the synagogue of satan but really i mean that clip is mind-boggling
because i feel like you could preach a whole sermon i mean there was so much material
i do want to focus on one part initially and that's just the idea of him saying let's just turn
the gaza strip into a parking lot you know often the new ifb gets accused of preaching genocide
and being really hateful and wanting a bunch of people to die but i don't remember anybody
or one of my friends ever suggesting just mass murder of any group of people whatsoever
especially including women and children which would be the casualties here and and i've even
seen many people saying well that's just the casualties of war people from the daily wire
and from other institutions i mean how can you be a christian and call for the murder of women
and children what are your thoughts about this pastor bursons well i think that's nuts i didn't
get to see the whole clip but um yeah i mean people who are just war it just goes to this
political uh you know these baptists and other uh christians out there that have let politics take
over their belief in the bible because obviously you read the bible you're not going to see anywhere
where we we're it's even we're fighting against flesh and blood i mean we're in a spiritual
warfare and just that people are so gung-ho and and it's this neocon influence from the republican
party of you know this this warmongering of people are just getting wrapped up in these wars and
you know obviously there's a lot of that trying to be pro-israel slant of the zionist movement but
even still i like i'd have a lot more respect for someone who is zionist if they weren't
war-hungry right like this out trying to to to promote these these wars and stuff you'd still
ought to be seeking to find a peaceful resolution and not just like yeah bomb them and you know
that's what the isn't that what the what the iranian president was like we got to make it a
well he said he said wipe israel off the map and then they just said that that was so horrible
jesus is the answer that's not what our government is going to say because they're a secular
government but isn't the answer for muslims to convert to christianity and for jews to convert
to christianity and then the problem is solved amen well you know and i've heard a lot of
christians i want to give you all slots in this verse but a lot of christians will take a verse
from psalm 137 i've heard people that i know personally bring up this verse as a justification
for bombing these places and where children are dying psalm 137 says happy shall he be that take
it and dashes thy little ones against the stones so in psalm 137 it talks about someone being happy
that children are being massacred and you know i think that of course just that verse in isolation
we don't really know what it's saying but i think it's it's obviously clear what the context is but
i just want to get your thoughts have you heard people using this verse in such a way to justify
genocide i personally have never heard anyone use that verse in that way in my life i mean i it that
is such a twisting of scripture and such an abuse of scripture first of all you know when it says
happy shall he be it's basically just saying that god is going to bless the ones who he uses to
destroy them or who he uses to judge them and these horrible things that are going to happen
are obviously not you know god's perfect will or what god really wants for them but but the thing
is when god brings in a foreign nation to judge his people or to judge babalon in that case you
know the idea is that basically yeah when god sends an army in to punish people the the women
that are pregnant get ripped up and babies are killed and everybody's killed because it's just
the horrors of war okay it's just a reality he's not saying you're happy because you committed war
crimes or something like that's just a stupid way of reading that verse and it's just a total
twisting of scripture i mean do you see what i'm saying like the distinction between just hey
blessed are the ones who god is using to destroy you guys and this is how it's going to go down
versus like yeah good job doing this particular war crime like that's just you got to read the
bible in context and you got to compare scripture with scripture and you know that that's just
bizarre it's not prescriptive exactly that's exactly right it's descriptive descriptive well
and i want to make sure but i'm pretty sure i saw someone post and maybe it was a fake post but it
was like jeremy boring of the daily wire using that verse and that kind of justification and i again
i've heard people saying things like this and it's just it's crazy how these people who don't even
really believe the bible then would use the verses like this for these kind of justifications
pastor thompson you know greg lock seems like a really stand-up guy you know such a great
wonderful pastor um i mean didn't he i think he divorced his wife and ran off with the secretary
to start his his church here where he's you got the order wrong he ran off with secretary then
divorced his wife okay that's the way these things work well i know he was within a relationship but
of course you know he was being attacked by his own wife or something like that
but what are your thoughts here on this greg lock commentary why is he so pro-zionist anyways
i have no idea i don't really know a lot about except for what you just said and i've seen
i see his clips shared of just his insanity of preaching if you can call it that but i mean
he's just let's blow the shofars i mean it's the first thing he's saying in his clip it's just like
he's judaizing everybody there they got the the star of rim fan waving you know back and forth
on the on the stage there it's just garbage it's it's promotion of war it's you know and
politics is one of his big things that i've seen clips of and it's like wait that years yeah but
there's there's more you know out of baptist churches or all churches it seems like nowadays
there's more of a push a promotion of politics and who to vote for over soul winning and things and
sound bible preaching and doctrine yeah and you know what i think that maybe these people should
have participated in some soul winning geared toward muslims and then maybe they wouldn't just
hate all muslims and wish that they would all die because you know we went years ago to dearborn
michigan and we went soul winning in the muslim neighborhoods and we're preaching the gospel of
these people obviously most of them were unreceptive but we did get some muslims saved we've seen muslims
saved in our churches over the years and even baptized and joining the church but you know what
if they would actually get out there and evangelize with the gospel of christ with the sword of the
spirit instead of the literal sword then they wouldn't just have all these violent ideas and
what would he wants the third temple to be built so that we can usher in the kingdom of christ so
it's like let's get through the anti-christ real quick so we can get to jesus i don't even know
why does he want to participate i don't know if he's doing that he might be just trying to usher
in the anti-christ yeah that's true it felt like an anti-christ spirit there i don't know right he
he's excited about the anti-christ and the third temple i mean he's already got a symbol on his
shirt whatever yeah but these dispensationalists they literally think that animal sacrifices are
coming back in the end times like independent fundamental baptists are sometimes literal not
that he is an independent baptist but even a lot of independent fundamental baptists are literally
that stupid that they literally think that we're going to be doing animal sacrifices at the second
coming of christ like like that basically we're going to retrograde back to the old testament
like galatians just well that's even in the bible that's the need to go back to this Hebrew
roots right like i guess oh animal sacrifices are good again even though it's like the most
blasphemous thing you could possibly do is to try and offer another sacrifice i mean even building
the temple itself apart from christ i feel like is a form of blasphemy because jesus is saying
that the temple is going to be knocked down every single stone why would i then want to rebuild that
without yeah without without christ being there with me to build alongside of him or something
well it reminds me well first of all we're not going to be building any temple alongside christ
because we're in the new testament we're not going back to reign of christ said build me a temple i
would yeah but it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen but the thing about that it reminds
me of the people who wanted to rebuild jericho you know when god knocks it down you just leave
it down yeah you know i mean to rebuild the tower babel like what else are we gonna reconstruct
well or like saddam hussein wanted to rebuild babel yeah i mean and it didn't work out let's
build out sodom and gamora i mean let's there's lots of good construction projects they have in
the bible there uh you know he's also talking about burning literature that is replacement
theology um i'm kind of curious passivers what do you think about this idea of just like burning
books that disagree with you on some kind of a doctrine well when it comes to just disagreeing
on doctrine i don't see any reason to to burn books right i mean you ought to be able to have
a an intellectual debate or conversation about certain doctrines and stuff but i mean if we're
talking about witchcraft or something that's a whole different story right and that's why he
tried to say it was if it's yeah he said we're gonna burn it along with all the witchcraft books
that's ridiculous he's trying to use that as justification yeah yeah so obviously reaching
it's it's yeah he said replacement theology is witchcraft according to him so if you find like
how do you even argue with that but a guy's just nuts i don't i mean that's you can't take a
rational you know have a rational discussion with someone that's going so far off the reservation
just to say that like oh yeah if you believe this doctrine it's just witchcraft and it's like
a doctrine that's been held for like replacement theology is it's not brand new it's been around
for so long like i mean how many of the of the of the the reputable you know like reformation
pro believers and all these other people that that you could reference we'd have to burn all
the church yeah i mean it's just like most of them were replacement well i'm okay with burning them
okay a bunch of stinking catholics so for john christopher i mean i have to give him a pass
i think there's always historical value in keeping books but i'm not against burning books either
obviously the bible even talks about people burning books but it's just it's funny that
instead of defeating the doctrine of replacement theology let's just burn the book because because
you know that's not really they don't really have an argument it's just a an emotional appeal
argument that oh this this is obviously so bad because we just love israel so much and we're
gonna wear this point was i won't listen send me the books and i'll destroy them because i won't
listen to this like i just know i'm right i know that israel is legitimate i mean this guy this
guy is just insane i mean i would like to know where are they getting the prayer shawl from
though like what part of the bible is inviting me to wear a prayer shawl ben i mean you're from
this part of the world you know are people wearing prayer shawls over there regularly
no have a prayer shawl actually where i'm from everyone hates israel so all right they're
definitely not running around in prayer i mean the i don't think anybody's claiming that the prayer
shawl is in the bible why is he wearing it because it's from the jews that's it's literally the
definition of being a judaizer you know to compel us to live as do the jews and that doesn't just
include things found in the old testament just anything that jews do we're going to do it too
i mean should we celebrate hanukkah at this point i mean what what i'm sure he celebrates hanukkah
do you doubt it i don't even know what this guy does i'm just saying like i'd be shocked if he
doesn't celebrate hanukkah like any and obviously yeah when we think of judaizing we think of
reverting back to the old testament regressing back to old testament worship and religion
but judaizing can also just include just importing anything from jewish or israeli culture
and just compelling the gentiles to live as do the jews that's what it means to judaeize
well you know it's not like he's the only person out there saying things about uh replacement
theology being wrong or how it's anti-semitic there's another popular podcaster steven crowder
and his co-host and they're really against replacement theology but i i feel like they
they're so nervous because they realize we're kind of winning on this argument a little bit i think
a lot of people have been coming on to our side but i want to play clip number two this is steven
crowder's show and it has him talking about this issue as well playbook before from hamas where
they staged these kinds of things to get sympathy on the world stage so i understand that but as a
christian it is impossible to be a christian and to be anti-semitic it just means that you haven't
read your bible it shows that you have no understanding of what's going on in scripture
that does not mean though that you have to support everything that the israeli government does yeah
it just means like the promise is there i will bless those who bless you and curse those who
curse you and of course we're called to pray for israel we're called to pray for the peace of
jerusalem we're called to be active as christians there and if you do that and then go but i don't
like this that's fine it's fine to not like that but you can't be like well christians replace
jews because that's stupid and i look i'll get into this if you guys want me to do a friday show
on apologetics and talk about this and how this all relates to end times and everything else that's
going on here i'll absolutely do it from a christian perspective because i've seen tons of people
out there going we should stay out of this they're not really jews anyway really yeah or the christian
they christians replace it doesn't matter anyway really you haven't read your bible and look i'm
not trying to be mean a lot of people that are out there pushing those theories have read their
bible they know they're wrong but they just want to kind of cloak their hatred of jews in something
that feels nice and warm to them and i'm not going to let them do it yeah well of course if you think
that god replaced the jews with christians that automatically means you just hate all jews yeah
i mean that's such a false argument i don't hate i don't hate jews and and and here's the thing
you know i grew up with all the zionist pro israel doctrine that's why even when i founded faith
ford baptist church in 2005 i still thought that the jews were god's chosen people i didn't understand
this subject and what was it that made me change it was just studying the bible like i didn't have
some desire to be negative toward jews in fact i was almost a little bit like hesitant about this
doctrine because it was just so ingrained in me we got to support israel we got support the jews
i remember when i was first married like following this stuff in the newspaper and like rooting for
israel you know in the fights that were going on at that time uh it's just what the bible says my
friend because i and i don't hate jews and you know what i hang around with jews sometimes like
i've studied hebrew language with jews and everything and like i'm not just hateful toward
jews i have no issue with them more than any other unsafe person to me hanging around with
jews just hanging around with another unsafe person that's just a tactic when someone just
intellectually weak to try to just dismiss everyone that believes something so well everybody that
just so they know they're all wrong but they just hate the jews i mean it's literally what he said
that like that clear in the bible well of course i mean it's the exact opposite galatians these guys
don't i mean he's saying you need to read your bible he needs to read the bible i mean it probably
doesn't have the right one he's three galatians three and four even if he doesn't have the right
one i don't see how you can walk away with with there's no version of galatians three and four
that doesn't teach replacement theology yeah well in some cases in some cases it's not
necessarily replacement theology because i know someone who was born jewish their mother's a jew
and so they're jew ethnically but they believe in christ so they're saved so he didn't replace
himself he just got saved yeah but obviously you know god even in the old testament while he looked
at the children of israel as his people you know many of them were still not technically his people
because they weren't even saved he just kind of counted them as part of a special covenant special
nation but it doesn't mean that all of them were saved in the old testament they had to believe in
christ to get saved and actually be the true chosen people and in the new testament it's not
really any different in that regard and so that's why you have commentary in the bible making it
clear that they're not all israel which are of israel yeah and i see what you're saying but we
do want to be careful to distinguish that there that it is dramatically different in the new
testament though that in the old testament god's chosen people was a physical nation of people
whether they were saved or not that physical nation was considered as a nation corporately
as god's chosen people and in the new testament believers are god's chosen people not of any
physical nation but wouldn't you say there's a distinction between the chosen in the sense
that they're they're chosen that in the sense that he's picked this group of people to be a nation
yeah and then there's chosen in the sense that they're elect like they're saved and so there's
the individual election right i agree with you distinction sometimes we're talking about i was
mainly just clarifying that for the listeners absolutely i know that you understand this i
was just i was trying to clarify for the listeners because because sometimes i've heard a lot of
people they listen to our preaching and they come to the erroneous conclusion like oh well it's
always been this way it's always been saved people that were the chosen people but that's
not really true because in the old covenant you know it was israel that was the chosen people
even when they're doing bad they're the chosen people whereas in the new testament that is
not a thing and in fact if someone were to ask me what's the biggest difference between the old
covenant and the new covenant old testament new testament i would say well the big colossal
difference is that you went from having god's people being this physical nation to being just
made up of believers and being a spiritual nation that's the new covenant right and so
basically in the old testament if i'm saved god wants me to live in the physical nation of israel
and be part of a physical nation in that area of the world whereas in the new testament i don't
need to live in israel or to be in a specific geographic place he wants us to be a spiritual
nation and and to me this is what's so funny they say oh replacement theology is so obviously wrong
well then why is every single epistle past the book of acts like written to gentile churches
yeah it seems like god himself replaced the jews since he's only talking to gentiles basically
and great you kind of have hebrews and you obviously i'm not saying and james yeah you
have a couple exceptions you have a little bit there that's kind of geared towards more
the remnant the remnant but at the same time like it's so obvious that when you get into the books
of romans and corinthians and galatians aphesians philippians i mean you're going you're talking
about gentiles you have the seven churches of asia the four gospels are directed toward gentiles as
well even the book of john is like oh by the way this is like a feast of the jews it's like giving
you those kind of commentaries clearly showing that the intended audience is not jews it's writing
to the to the whole world the gentiles so yeah you're right the lion's share of the new testament is
addressed to who it seems like he replaced them in the new testament literally the the bible's not
even talking about the jews anymore he's talking about the gentiles primarily yeah and he's talking
about the the individuals are gentiles as well i mean when the apostle paul is commending people
in the book of romans it's not a bunch of jews it's a bunch of people that you can tell are clearly
gentiles greek and and from all over the parts of the world and of course god did use some jews like
paul like james like the disciples and you even had apollos you have some other people that
are obviously of that ethnicity but ethnicity doesn't matter in the new testament for sure
and you know he doesn't want us to focus on genealogies anymore i mean pastor thompson do
you have people getting mad at you for believing this this replacement theology yeah yeah i just
preach i'm preaching through first thessalonians right now and in chapter two i just went on a
pretty hard rant about judaism and how that they killed the lord jesus that's what the bible says
and you know the ada and all or adl and all these ada too probably but no is anybody in real life
getting mad at you or just on the internet on the internet and sometimes when people come to my
church and i preach about that i can they get you've had actual people at your church i bet
people get up and walk out after emigration stuff like that yeah i've had people just or just it
was like a visitor yeah or people just yeah it was just like a visitor what not like but like
well i had someone just call me a nazi and made a whole video about me how that i'm a nazi because
i'm it's like i'm reading the bible i'm preaching what the bible says yeah and paul was a jew and
he's just like they killed the lord jesus they're contrary to all men you know the story of
thesilonians when they first start you know what did the jews you know got together these men at
the base resort to try to uh just upset every place paul went they they stalked him and followed
him i mean they are the enemy of the new in the new testament well the main one was satan as their
father they are the main villain it's a great no one would fix this problem obviously ben is if
all of your cousins and uncles over in the middle east would just start tithing to the jews because
isn't that what we're supposed to do greg lock said that we're supposed to tie here's what i'm
wondering he said he's tithing to the jews but he said it was five thousand dollars a month so is
his church only taking in fifty thousand dollars a month because seems like a much bigger operation
than that i hope it's small but he probably doesn't know what tithe even means yeah um especially
since he's he's tithing to the wrong people he's kind of tithing to the synagogue of satan there
yeah but uh i mean could you convince palestinians been to tithe the tithe is the lord's and in hebrews
it talks about how jesus christ receives the tithe so how are you sending it to jesus christ
by sending it to the jews that don't believe in jesus you know because it says like there he
receiveth tithes you know but here he receiveth them of whom it is witnessed that he liveth
talking about jesus in hebrews 7 like receiving tithe so we're tithing to jesus by sending it to
unbelieving people who don't like jesus like how does that work he just receives these tithes of
unbelievers plus i'm questioning the math too well there's there's a lot of questions there
because it looks like he's got a huge crowd he's got a huge online thing going on like i just find
it hard to believe that he's i you know what i think i think he's he's he's skimming off the top
and he's not giving the jews what he's supposed to be giving them you know send them the full
ten percent that's the biggest problem here put your money where your mouth is and send more money
to israel it's not enough i mean we got to get this temple started i mean how are we going to do
with five thousand a month that's nothing that's just like one stone yeah it's like he's not he's
not giving it everything you know give the full ten or six hundred thousand like that's enough
numbers obviously we need all worship yeah why doesn't he at least send six thousand dollars
i mean it's supposed to have a six in it i thought it was like six million six days war
there's a six days war six pointed star six million dead in the holocaust you know
six thousand dollars per month when we tied to israel you know might as well your barcode
needs to have a six six six on it whatever you need so well i just want to throw this into the
mix because you guys were talking about how all these epistles are written to gentiles
one of my favorite verses that backs up replacement theology in first peter chapter two
written to gentile says but ye are a chosen generation of royal priesthood and holy nation
and then the next verse says which in time past were not a people but are now the people of god
what do they do with that i don't know what they do with romans 2 either when it just says he is
not a jew which is one outwardly it's like what do they do with that verse and i i know people
in my personal life that still believe this kind of stuff this rhetoric that you hear from people
like greg lock and i'm saying like what do you do with this romans 2 and then they just you know
they just bring up like all israel shall be saved and just like there's just no answer
you know greg lock he picked up his bible and he's i don't know if it was in the clip or not but he's
like you know what the deed for that land is right here in a bible right here and i'm thinking like
the eviction notice is in there too buddy exactly another i like philippians where he says we are
the circumcision which worship god in the spirit and rejoice in christ jesus and have no confidence
in the flesh and by the way a lot of the verses that calvinists will misuse to teach their misguided
predestination doctrine when you look up those verses whether it's romans nine ephesians one
second peter one they're always right next to a passage where he's telling the jews or excuse me
where he's telling the gentiles that they're the chosen people and they're misunderstanding it
thinking that it's about individuals being picked for salvation or something where it's more like
no you're the chosen people as gentiles because you're saved you're elect like you're elect
according to the four knowledge of god like god knew that you guys were going to believe on christ
and so you're not second class to the jews you know i mean i mean roman's nine through 11
is just destroys zionism but again they just focus on a couple verses in chapter 11 yeah but man
chapters nine through eleven just absolutely destroys zionism but you're not afraid of verse 26
pastor reeter said you've preached on that sorry you've preached on that many times more times than
i can count yeah i've done sermon called roman's 11 verse by verse and i mean it's it's it's easy
to explain when you actually get the whole chapter instead of just that one little part
that they want to quote right i mean the beginning of the chapter it's so funny listening to these
old ify guys read the part where he says had god cast away his people god forbid god forbid he has
a cat but then he literally says because i also am an israelite right of the seed of benjamin or
the seed of israel of the tribe benjamin he's like god didn't cast away his people because
there's a remnant of his people that got saved that received christ so and if you look up all
these promises in the old testament about how god's not going to cast away his people it's like he's
not going to cast away all the seed of israel but he will cast away some of them right because there
are all these like the way i see it is when you read the old testament there are all these forks
in the road where if you end up on the wrong side of that fork of the road you're not god's people
anymore because like you know they keep splitting off and then it's like the northern kingdom gets
taken away captive and they never come back and it's like you have now you have to be in that
southern kingdom to still have that continuity of being in the people of god right and that was
taken away and then that gets and it's like there's all these forks in the road where basically
groups are breaking off or or being separated or peeled off or split off and then comes the big
one everybody who rejected the lord jesus christ those branches are chopped off you know and
everybody who's in christ did god forsake all the levites no because levites got saved did god
forsake the tribe benjamin no because benjamites got saved did god forsake the jews no he didn't
cast away his people he only cast away the ones who didn't believe on christ which is the majority
so what the majority of the tribes were in the northern kingdom that got smoked well and you
know the reason why all of us are so not blessed is because we're not blessing okay and that is so
stupid worshiping them america was blessed more before israel even was founded yeah like like and
and by the way the u.s was not a big supporter of the of israel in the 40s and 50s we just weren't
it was the soviet union that was more supporting israel in those days we really started supporting
israel heaven i'm not an expert on this but like late 1960s is when we became a big supporter of
israel and has god blessed us more spiritually since the late 1960s than he did before that
because you know what when this country was founded it was an isolationist foreign policy
and we had for many years the monroe doctrine which says everybody on the other side of the world
needs to leave us alone we're going to handle the western hemisphere you guys handle the eastern
hemisphere we won't get involved in your crap and don't get involved in our crap that's the
monroe doctrine this guy sounds like a christian nationalist i mean i don't know that's what they
that's what that was the monroe doctrine for so many decades even even centuries right you know
that was the way the united states was was understood to operate now in the 20th century
now all of a sudden you know that all goes out the window world war one world war two and all
these wars how are we going to build the third temple if we're just leaving them alone over
there why is he so excited about the anti-christ like the third temple is not for the lord because
he's of his father the devil yeah how about look like like here's the thing i'm as excited about
the second coming of christ as the next guy but like i'm not just like oh please let it happen
right now like if it happens now even so come lord jesus great but i'm not just like dying
for it to happen i could go either way like i'd be happy to live out my life without the tribulation
and the second coming of christ because i'm going to heaven anyway or if it happens in my lifetime
bring it on even so come lord jesus but why are the why are the the dispensationalist the preacher
i guess they're just really excited about it because they skip all the bad part with the
preacher rapture yeah is that what it is maybe it's got to be well but their first coming is
actually the anti-christ it's like get that anti-christ down here so that we can get beamed out
yeah but they're probably gonna work but like here's the thing if they want to beam out i
don't know maybe they should just all shave their heads and do like a suicide cold or something
because like like why are they just so eager to leave this planet like i would rather stay here
win souls and do stuff like if i could just push a button and be pre-trib raptured tomorrow
i'd be like no i'd rather stay and win some more souls because i'm gonna be with christ in heaven
for all eternity like whatever lifetime god gives me on this earth i don't want to speed that up
like if it's his will sure for me to go tomorrow then i'll go let's go let's go to heaven to depart
and to be with christ is far better nevertheless am i just am i just dying to get out of here and
just oh man just let it be today please come back today christ no i'm like you know what you got me
here doing a job for you and i'm gonna keep doing it i'll do it for 20 years i'll do for 50 years
like why are they just trying to take the next train out of here what is up with that well and
again i think it's a little bit of the anti-christ spirit i don't know that all these people that
believe this are unsaved i think a lot of them are and the the hatred for replacement theology
is funny to me in context of this verse in revelation because it's like god kind of has
a savage sense of humor because in revelation chapter 3 verse 9 it says behold i will make
them of the synagogue of satan which they they are jews and are not but do lie behold i will
make them to come and worship before thy feet and then know that i have loved thee so he's looking
at a gentile church and he's talking about gentile church and he's saying look i'm going to make it
clear to all of these people that i replaced you with them and it's like he's kind of rubbing
replacement theology in their face jesus does the same thing because he says you're going to see
abraham and isaac and jacob sitting and you're going to be cast out and it's like he's rubbing
replacement theology in the jews face again and you even see kind of in a parable where he talks
about how he's going to bring all these people that said they wouldn't have him to worship him
and bring him before them and he's going to slay them and it's like it's like he really
wants to drive that point home so many places in the Bible and you kind of wonder if it's just him
a little bit anticipating the reaction of these people and like hey i've heard what you've said
and let me make it clear how i really feel at kind of at the millennial reign of christ and of course
in all of eternity great white throne judgment uh what do you think about this replacement
theology pastor burrs is this something that you have to deal with are people in your part of the
world mixed up on this junk i haven't i haven't had any issues with it yet i don't know it'll
probably become a bigger issue now because the the biggest the the biggest fight that we've had to
deal with lately is uh now everyone's calling us racist but um what yeah yeah yeah well that's a
whole nother topic but this would be less racist this is this is gonna get tied in i'm sure with
it that we're that we're racist pastor burrs oh yeah don't you know i mean have you seen our
church like it should be obvious your church is you know i think the new ifb in general and your
church in particular has great diversity probably better than most evangelical churches i mean we've
got really diverse i've never seen a church more diverse than than my church yeah i mean literally
yeah we have we have so many interracial couples and like we probably have whatever the percentages
of the of the population of like black hispanic whatever you know like whatever the the totals are
for united states of america i could practically guarantee you that we have more you probably more
representative much more yeah much more because of how like like we're almost like like white people
are almost in the minority in our congregation yeah not quite but but like white replacement
you know and yet you get accused of being racist oh yeah yeah but it's the same thing though with
replacement theology is that you're going to be you're anti-semitic right you're racist against
the jews because they're white people you right seriously well unless you believe that jews are
superior to all other races and you're racist yeah so you know of course you have to understand
that they're just better that would make you not racist they suck the spirit of the jews is inside
the church all the churches here i mean that's why they get so mad about it i mean they were so mad
that they try to kill jesus when he when he mentioned two gentiles that got saved in in
luke chapter four i mean they they're ready to throw him off a cliff just because he's like
remember these two gentiles that got saved and then they're just like kill him i mean but that's
like it that's what it's like the spirit of zionism is in all these churches they believe in the stupid
pre-trib rapture which isn't true and then they think that we should just worship and lick israel's
boots and really if a saved christian believes that that you know that at the end they're going to see
jesus come back and then they're all going to get saved at that point that's just them why are they
like cheering for all these ones that hate jesus right now and they'll still say they're god's
chosen people when they're not it's just ridiculous here's what i think is funny about it too is that
the dispis have been telling us for years that you know well he brings them back into the land in
unbelief but then they get saved except that virtually every person who came to the land
in unbelief is dead now and if we give it like another like 20-30 years literally 100% of them
will be dead and all the ones that were not saved which is 99.9% will be in hell so it's like well
he brings them to the land in unbelief and then they get like what just a totally different group
of people and how many how many hundreds of years are gonna have to go by before we abandon this
theology like like maybe it will happen in our lifetime the Antichrist coming and everything
but like can we just set a date where we agree that if it hasn't happened by like say the year
2050 we can just agree that like 1948 was not the blooming of the fig tree it's about to happen and
and this generation shall not pass away and everything like when are we going to agree that
all those preachers were full of beans who told us that he brought them to the unbelief he was
prepping everything they're all about to get saved and stuff and then here we are how many
years later and there's not even a hint of revival in israel there's not even a hint of a mass
conversion to jesus or anything like well let me explain something years have to go by before we
abandon this theology what about we get to 2048 like is that long like a whole hundred years
unfortunately it's not because you know they don't have all of the land yet so so the timer
once we get all of the land and then you know when that fails it'll be like well you know what we
didn't have all the land and the temple yet well jerusalem hadn't been declared the capital yet
right so so we we can always restart that timer and we can always just keep it you know going
just like how some people want to believe that human history is still under six thousand years
because christ has to come right at six thousand so they just like keep trying to figure out ways
to just like shave off years yeah exactly when in reality we're several hundred years beyond the
six thousand mark absolutely think of the end times implications of what greg lock is saying
though because he's talking about how the temple needs to be rebuilt to bring in jesus christ i
think is the implication here but the anti-christ will actually inhabit that temple he'll set up
the abomination of desolation and jesus christ said you know i'm coming my father's name and you
receive me not if another shall come in his own name him you will receive so the jews i think a
large swath of them will believe on the anti-christ absolutely preachers like greg lock will say oh
look roman's 1126 is being fulfilled before our eyes look it's just like we said mass conversion
of israelites to the real messiah because that's exactly what and all these replacement theology
guys are terrible let's hunt them down and chop their heads off yes you first that might be true
apparently i have signs out here that let's just say this though it is because i heard an
old ifb guy say recently that like if we don't acknowledge that you know uh that the jews or
god shows people we're saying that israel coming back and becoming a nation in 1948 has nothing to
do with bible prophecy and that has no significance is that really what we're saying because we
actually do think it could have significance for setting up the anti-christ so it is significant
like you guys think god's done with jews i don't think god's done with the jews he's not done
kicking their butts he's not done wiping them out and punishing them like he's got more punishment
he's just done with them being his chosen people but but but the thing about that is that it's
possible that what's happening right now in the middle east is literally the very beginnings of
what's going to roll us into the tribulation and and we could be seeing the second coming of christ
in the next 10 years or something or this could just be another drill because let's face it folks
we've had a lot of false alarms before and there's always conflict and of course the media is going
to be like this is the biggest thing ever except that the jews and the palestinians always have crap
going on and they've had other big blow ups and they've had other conflicts and other wars is this
really the first time that this has happened and you know what i wouldn't be surprised if this
fizzles out and then 20 years later we're all sitting at the same podcast you know a little
older and we're gonna be playing clips of greg lock like this is it send another you know it'll
except it's at five thousand dollars it'll be like five hundred thousand dollars just because of
inflation alone we're setting six million dollars we're sending six million dollars one for every
holocaust victim we're sending it to israel every month it's an auto draft out of our account we
don't even push a button it just happens do you think there'll be conflict between palestine and
israel all the way until the midpoint of daniel 70th week or will it eventually just totally
fizzle out i mean they could they could eliminate them from that area i think but there's going to
be i mean there's going to be conflict for a while because i mean how many muslims even exist
on the earth right now what what characterizes the first half of daniel's 70th week warfare
right you know take peace from the earth that they shall kill one another right second seal
fourth seal there's more mass death there's going to be warfare and fighting so i would say that
there's going to be continued conflict all the way up until because it's when they say peace and
safety right that's when sudden destruction come upon them and so leading up to that is warfare
so i would say a lot of conflict now again this is hypothetical but let's say they actually do
something drastic they really do just kind of go through wipe out gaza and then they also do what
he's saying they break lock option where we we bomb the mosque we turn gaza well yeah we get
rid of the temple or the temple of the dome and they they start saying all right now we're going
to start building the third temple and i could see how that could potentially unite muslims as a
people group to say like now we're going to all full scale war against israel because they've
they've destroyed our sacred temple and they're trying to build theirs and maybe that team up
with russia yeah maybe that could escalate into some kind of a worldwide conflict at that point
would you say this does seem like it's kind of shaping towards the narrative of the bible
absolutely and and i think that there have been other events about it throughout history where
it seemed like it was going that way but i would say yeah this is probably it but you don't really
know for sure until you see the abomination of desolation you know that's when you know for sure
if they have a temple and they're doing sacrifices i see you does that put you in a pretty you can be
pretty you could feel pretty good about it at that point but i'm just saying the hundred percent
surety biblically speaking is the abomination of desolation some this is what people want to know
is michelle obama the anti-christ well well she is the man of sin but no she doesn't have a desire
towards women i mean i don't know it's a good it's a good question i mean that sounds like a
whole episode for a podcast because that's such a legitimate question such a legitimate look at her
back muscles well we're wrapped we're getting close to wrapping up we're here at the fire breathing
baptist fellowship conference we got pastor burson's gonna be preaching for us this evening pastor
angeles will be preaching for us this evening if you want to check it out you gotta go to our rumble
and go to steadfast baptist church their rumble or you can go to godresource.com go to our video
platform and you can watch the uh the sermons from there as well and i want to give these guys
just a quick second to kind of plug their church or their website or where people can find their
preaching uh pastor thompson will be preaching for us on sunday so you don't want to miss that as
well but pastor thompson where can we find you if we want to check out your sermons uh well i still
have youtube and uh we have rumble twitter i know yeah we're limping along can't put anything too
spicy on that 5000 uh channel but uh me and pastor bursons are kind of in the same boat i think we
still have the biggest channel use it until you lose it yeah it's not gonna send one dollar to
israel for every subscriber god blesses you with yeah watch it go through the roof that's right
yeah sure foundation uh baptist.com is our website and uh we have a big soul winning marathon coming
up uh this weekend in seattle so oh awesome y'all could pray for that that'd be great you're in
seattle you got to go to this church plant church plant with pastor thompson sure foundation uh
check out his website seattle's a cool city yeah yeah it is i just go there and where it's a big
it's a big area what side of town is it in it's actually in renton it's about 10 miles south of
in you know downtown seattle okay great so renton uh yeah it's tuck willow type area
pastor pastor burzins how can we find your stuff we still have our youtube channel great i don't
know how i think god's keeping that or or youtube's keeping our subscriber list down like we it keeps
on telling by how many new subscribers we have every month and we never are getting over 5 000
subscribers ever which is really bizarre because we should have been there like a year ago at least
easily but we still got the channel so you can find us on youtube we've got a couple channels
and then we got a rumble account we've got facebook we got basically most of the social media that's
out there our website strongholdbaptist.church and um yeah i mean you can follow us on there if you
like what we're doing leave us a positive review on google because we got a lot of people calling
us racist right now well if you're in the atlanta area you got to go to stronghold baptist church
check out pastor burzins he's also got a church plant idea going in south carolina so if you're
in anywhere in that area got to check him out there too pastor anderson i'm pretty sure we
we find you on youtube right those that seek me early shall find me like it's deleted fast
no but i would just reiterate god resource because like like last night when i was coming in
and i wanted to tune into the conference live like for me the easiest thing is just go to god
resource.com and boom i was watching the service live i think that's a reliable place to find
my preaching your preaching other you know it's your website has it too yeah i mean if if they
want to just get like the archives they can go to the preaching.com takes them to my website the
preaching.com but i i think god resource is underrated as being a good place to watch
watch stuff live awesome well that's going to pretty much do it for us make sure to check out
the rumble channel four steadfast baptist church ben why don't you sign us off this evening god
bless the israel of god the spiritual israel folks we're gonna get to some preaching now
we will talk to you guys again after a while