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 The truth about Zionism appears to have finally leaked out of the underground tunnels of legacy

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 media.

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 I can't believe it was under our nose this entire time.

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 Many influencers have begun to question if our number one ally is really, actually our

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 friend.

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 One of them is Candace Owens, who's clearly left the plantation going scorched earth like

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 Django One Chain, but will she be able to continue to fight or repeatedly fall on the

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 ground like Rodney King?

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 Viral moments like #BandTheADL have taken Twitter by storm, but it appears Elon has

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 kind of put the brakes on rising anti-Semitism by restricting phrases like "the synagogue

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 of Satan."

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 Even with increasing censorship, the noticing continues about who owns the banks, colleges,

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 the Federal Reserve, the Presidential Cabinet, NGOs, Hollywood, social media companies, the

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 pharmaceutical industry, political lobby efforts, the Libs of TikTok account, the Babylon Bee,

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 the Daily Wire, Wall Street, well, pretty much everything you can think of.

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 And they all wear a tiny little hat on their head.

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 I guess it's hard not to notice these people when they're breathing in so much free air

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 with that giant schnoz on their face, or the pigtails dangling on their head,

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 or the blasphemy against Jesus Christ. Why is it that Christians think these

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 people are God's chosen again? Oh yeah, Greg Locke, because he said so.

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 The apostle who literally ran off with the secretary.

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 I forgot about that chapter in the Book of Acts. I must have missed it somewhere.

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 Well, I guess if you're one of those skeptics who doesn't want to murder Palestinian babies,

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 someone who doesn't spit when you hear the name of Jesus Christ, someone

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 who actually loves free speech, fairness, truth, the New Testament,

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 you appear to be someone who's actually been radicalized with the Baptist bias.

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 Thanks for tuning in to the Baptist bias. It's season four. We've made it.

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 And it seems like the Jews might own everything. Do they own the Baptist bias, Ben?

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 Seemingly. They own the platform we're on, I think, actually. But, you know, let's not

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 focus on that too much. Well, you know, of course, we had a great

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 in between our series, the Daniel series, where it was 12 episodes with a bonus 13th, where we

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 talked, or we had Pastor Anderson talk about a summary, rightly dividing the book of Daniel.

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 And it got a lot of good feedback. I think a lot of people enjoyed that series,

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 even considering the fact of it was about five or six years old, but it seemed fresh.

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 And I really appreciate all the work you did there on this series, Ben. It really turned out nicely,

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 but it was definitely a bear. A lot of hours had to go into that thing. Was it more than you thought

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 when you started working on it? Yeah. Initially, I was thinking like, "Ah, this should be easy."

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 It's a sermon. You slap some B-roll on there. You slap some Bible screens on there. You're good to

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 go. And then you realize, "Hold on a second. There's 13 hours to this." That's a lot. This

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 is a bigger project than I thought. So a bigger undertaking than I anticipated, but I'm glad it's

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 finished. Finally, years in the making. You mentioned number of years old now. 2018 is

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 when the sermons were recorded, but they were evergreen messages. And I think if you go through

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 the series yourself, you'll notice that evergreen messages with actual modern B-roll, some modern

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 articles and things like that happening in the last few years, like even 2023, 2024. And yet

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 they were still relevant to what Pastor Anderson was saying, just goes to show you that the Bible

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 is always relevant. Well, and thank you to everyone who donated that project and also to Paul

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 Wittenberger for filming it and giving it to us so we could work on that. And then, of course,

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 to the star of the show, Pastor Anderson, which we're actually graced with his presence again

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 this evening. Thank you, Pastor Anderson, for coming on the show. How's it going? I don't know

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 if we... You might have been cut off there. You want to say that again? It's great to be here.

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 Thanks for having me on. There we go. All right, perfect. That's the intro we were waiting for.

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 Yeah, we were nervous. Should not get the show going without that. Well, thanks again for coming

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 on here. And how did you feel about the Daniel series? Yeah, I loved it. I was really impressed

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 by Ben's work. And I really appreciate him and you, of course, making this a reality after all

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 these years. I put a lot of thought into the series as far as the study that went into it.

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 I really wanted it to be up there with the Revelation series as far as content.

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 And so I put a lot of work into the messages. And so I'm glad that they're now getting a wider

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 audience, just because that's what I was hoping for whenever I preached those sermons. So better

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 late than never, huh? Was there an episode that you thought like this is the one that was maybe

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 most excited to get out there or your favorite of the series? Probably episodes seven and eight,

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 I believe, were the ones that were the most important. But really, I think that the key

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 sermon is the sermon "Rightly Dividing the Book of Daniel" that I preached at Verity Baptist Church

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 in Sacramento, that 13th episode. I think that is kind of the key to everything. And I think that

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 it's important that this series come out right now because I know a lot of people are going over to

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 partial preterist views or full preterist views of End Times. And I feel like this series just

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 absolutely destroys preterism. And obviously there's some truth to preterism because all

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 lies have some truth mixed in. But the Daniels series ends up showing people the errors of

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 preterism and helps us to stay strong on our futurist beliefs about the End Times.

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 When it comes to Chapter 11, it seems like that was kind of a big chapter. Also maybe the ending of Chapter 9,

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 those kind of have some significance when it comes to maybe dismantling a little bit of the

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 preterist views. What about from your perspective, Ben, was there kind of an episode that you thought

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 you enjoyed more than the others or was more influential to you?

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 Chapter 11, without question, because I really had no idea what chapter 11 was about at all,

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 reading through it, especially the first time I was lost, and Pastor Itterson, you were able to

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 put the pieces together for me, especially on some of the, kind of the beginning portion is what I

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 should say there, the beginning half of that chapter that really deals with the Grecian empire

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 getting split into those four separate kingdoms and the near future application to go along with

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 that. I didn't know a lot of that history so that was very helpful. And then of course when you end

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 up talking about Antiochus Epiphanes, yeah a lot of that stuff was fulfilled with him but when you

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 study the character, I guess I should say the personality of Antiochus Epiphanes, it gives you

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 some insight into who the Antichrist will be in the end times, of course due to the fact that

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 there is some dual fulfillment going on there. So overall I would say chapter 11 for me personally

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 because I learned so much about it, it just unlocked the chapter for me.

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 You know one thing that I don't know if we necessarily have talked about but I'm just

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 kind of curious when it comes to the idea of Zionism specifically, it seems like when we talk

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 about end times and just kind of views, a lot of people like to go to the book of Daniel but I'm

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 kind of just curious, do you feel like there's a lot of people like Zionists that use the book of

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 Daniel to kind of support or bolster their view and supporting end times Israel, Pastor Anderson?

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 Yeah, absolutely. I think that just in general, Zionists love to go to the Old Testament

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 because they're basically going to scriptures that were written back when the Jews were God's

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 chosen people, back when Israel was that chosen nation and so of course they love to take those

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 out of context and anachronistically apply them to today instead of being in the New Testament

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 where we see over and over again that the kingdom of God has been taken from them and given to a

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 nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And of course that new spiritual nation that replaces

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 Israel is one that's made up of believers on the Lord Jesus Christ from all nations,

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 kindreds, families, tongues. It's got nothing to do with race or ethnicity or geography.

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 The holy nation, the chosen generation, the royal priesthood in the New Testament,

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 is just made up of all Christians, made up of all believers. And so in order to preach Zionism,

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 you're going to have to spend a ton of time in the Old Testament because that's where you're

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 going to get all your material because you can take it out of context and misapply it by bringing

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 it into today instead of actually understanding it in its context back then. The only New Testament

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 scripture that you'll typically hear in a Zionist sermon is Romans chapter 11. They'll typically

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 bombard you with a bunch of Old Testament stuff that's totally ripped out of its original context

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 where it'll be Old Testament scriptures about the Jews coming back from the Babylonian captivity

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 and then they'll apply that to them coming into the land in 1948. And they just completely ignore

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 the fact that these scriptures are being written before the return from Babylon and that that's

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 clearly what they're about. And they just act like, well, these have to be about 1948. It's

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 like there's nothing else they could be about. Totally ignoring the biblical history of the

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 passages that they're preaching. And then, of course, the classic, they'll go to Romans 11,

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 which ironically is one of the strongest chapters against Zionism. And it's a very strong chapter

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 that proves that the Christ-rejecting Jews are no longer God's chosen people. But they'll typically

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 just focus on four or five verses out of context. They're not going to get the whole chapter,

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 because the first part of the chapter just absolutely destroys their doctrine.

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 So that's pretty much... If any preachers out there are putting together a Zionist sermon for

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 this Sunday, here's the formula. You get a bunch of Old Testament passages about coming back from

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 the Babylonian captivity. You wrongly apply them to 1948. And then the only New Testament passage

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 you use is Romans 11. And you ignore 30, 40 other passages that completely negate Zionism

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 in the New Testament. Yeah. In your sermon, "Rightly Dividing the Book of Daniel," I think

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 you kind of cover the idea of interpreting Bible prophecy correctly. And of course,

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 there's a lot of Old Testament passages that bring up the return to Jerusalem, especially from the

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 Babylonian captivity specifically. I'm kind of curious from your perspective, what are some of

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 the most misabused verses or what are some of the passages that people like to twist as far as like

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 a return to the Babylonian, from the Babylonian captivity that's kind of being applied to 1948

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 specifically? Is there any on the top of your head that you could think of? Yeah. I mean,

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 the first thing that would pop into my mind would of course be, you know, scriptures from the book of Jeremiah,

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 scriptures from the book of Ezekiel. I don't have them in front of me, but there are a lot of passages

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 where God's talking about the fact that he's going to bring them back. Hosea is another big one.

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 Again, I don't have the exact references in front of me, but, you know, there are a lot because

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 that's kind of a major theme in the Old Testament history. So I could pull some up if you give me a

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 second. You bring that up like Jeremiah 30. This is one I feel like I hear in verse 7.

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 It says, "The last for that day is great, so that none is like it. It is even the time of

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 Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it." I feel like I hear about that quite a bit,

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 this idea of "Jacob's trouble" and them being saved. And I think most of the time, you know,

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 correct me if I'm wrong, most of them, they're kind of applying that to maybe Romans 11 type

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 interpretation or in the end times, just like everybody in Israel is going to be saved. Is

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 that kind of what you hear, Ben? I think when I hear about Jacob's trouble or the time of Jacob's

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 trouble for Jeremiah 30 verse 7, what I picture is this idea that the seven-year tribulation period,

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 which of course we know it's three and a half years followed by 75 days of great tribulation,

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 but my point is they believe that that seven-year period is the time of Jacob's trouble. It's a time

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 of tribulation just for the Jews. And then as you mentioned, at the end of that seven-year period,

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 they will magically be converted at, I presume, the battle of Armageddon when they look on him

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 whom they pierced, ripping Zechariah out of context and misapplying Zechariah. So that's the one that

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 pops into my mind. And Pastor Anderson brought up Ezekiel. It's kind of funny because I believe one

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 of the chapters that the Zionists love is chapter 37, the Valley of Dry Bones, which is clearly a

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 reference to a future resurrection. And you can make the connection there to John chapter 5,

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 where Jesus Christ said, "The hour is coming, and now is when the dead shall hear the voice of the

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 Son of God, and they that hear shall live." So that's one from Ezekiel that I've heard as well

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 that they really like. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, the Ezekiel 37 passage, like you said,

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 it's about the resurrection, the regeneration, the second coming of Christ. And here's what

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 you have to understand about dual fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Because of course, yeah,

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 things that already happened in the past in the Old Testament, things that are already fulfilled,

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 they can still have a future fulfillment in the end times. But here's the thing. In order for

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 something to have a dual fulfillment, then the two events have to have something in common with one

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 another. Okay. And so in the Old Testament, when you have the children of Israel coming back from

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 the Babylonian captivity, the key thing is that they got right with God. And that's why he's

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 bringing them back to the land because now they've been cured of their idolatry. They're not

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 worshiping craven images. They're not worshiping false gods. They're ready to trust in the Lord.

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 Now that's why they get to come back into the land. And then for a while they're actually doing

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 right by God. They're serving the Lord. Obviously they're not perfect, but in general they're

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 worshiping the true God. Compare that with 1948 where you have people who totally reject the

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 Lord Jesus Christ, hate the Lord Jesus Christ. They do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah,

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 which according to 1 John chapter 2 makes them anti-Christ. And then you have them coming into

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 the land. And then that's supposedly this wonderful fulfillment of prophecy. It's just like in the

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 old days when God would fight for Israel and God's got Israel's back. But of course, anyone who

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 doesn't believe on Jesus Christ has God's wrath abiding on them, not God's blessing. But we're

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 supposed to believe that somehow people who reject the Lord Jesus Christ, as long as they're Jews,

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 they somehow have the blessing of God resting upon them. It's an absurd false doctrine,

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 there's no basis in reality. But one of the ways that this was sold to us, especially with passages

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 like Ezekiel 37, was that supposedly he's going to bring them into the land in unbelief. And then

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 once they get there, they're going to get saved. Because that's how these Zionists in the 20th

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 century explained the significance of a bunch of Christ rejecting Jews coming back into the

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 promised land. It's like, well, they're going to get saved later. They're going to believe in Jesus

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 Christ later. First, they come to the land and then they'll go back to Ezekiel and they'll find

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 these passages like Ezekiel 37, where they're basically like the Israelites are dead, but then

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 it's like they come back to life. Now, we know that the proper interpretation of Ezekiel 37

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 is a literal resurrection, literal dead bodies coming back to life, because it's about the

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 second coming of Christ, the resurrection, and so forth. Okay, like a literal resurrection when

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 people come out of the graves, you know, the dead in Christ shall rise first and all that.

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 1 Thessalonians 4. But what they will interpret it as is that God brings unbelievers into the land,

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 then He breathes life into them, then He gives them a new heart, then they turn to Christ.

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 And all throughout the 20th century, this was always just right around the corner,

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 you know, so pastors would always talk about how like these revivals in Israel are just starting

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 and a whole bunch of Jews are getting saved. And this is before the internet. So you couldn't

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 really fact check these claims. And so you were just always throughout the 80s and 90s. And you

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 know, I can't speak to before that because I was born in 1981. But in the 80s and 90s, it's like

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 you always heard these sort of rumors about how revivals breaking out in Israel and how it's all

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 happening and it's right around the corner and a whole bunch of Jews are going to get saved and

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 and then it's going to boom roll into the end times and all this stuff. But yet now here we are

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 in 2024 and virtually everyone from that generation that came into the land in 1948 is dead. And guess

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 what? They're in hell, okay, because they did not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God,

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 okay? And so, I mean, this isn't a complicated doctrine, folks. If you don't believe that Jesus

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 is the Son of God, if you don't believe he's the Messiah, you go to hell when you die, okay?

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 And so the Jews, by definition, reject the Lord Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Otherwise, they

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 wouldn't be Jews. They'd be Christians. Wait a minute. By definition, they are anti-Christ.

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 By definition, they are not saved. So you're telling me that Theodore Herzl didn't get saved

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 and Jacob Rothschild and all of these individuals. That breaks my heart to think all of these

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 Christ-rejecting Jews didn't get in there. But the reality is, I don't see how Zionism

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 can continue to make sense. What's the point of bringing unsaved people to any part of geography

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 of the world if they're still going to die there? The Bible makes it abundantly clear. What does it

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 profit a man if he gained the whole world and yet loses his own soul? So even if we did put the

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 Jews in the Middle East and give them a palace and give them everything they could possibly want,

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 but they still die and go to hell, I don't see how that benefits that individual or is fulfilling

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 any of these verses that we've been bringing up. But even unsaved Catholics and other individuals

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 have been noticing this. I want to play a clip from Candace Owens, which she's a Catholic,

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 but it's kind of crazy how Catholics can kind of see through a lot of these lies and Christians

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 don't. Before I play that clip, I also want to make a couple other quick announcements.

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 You can call in this evening, 231-BABDIS, and we'll be taking some calls later in the show.

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 Also, we had made some t-shirts and we have a couple different colors and designs here,

00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:42.040
 but we have the Baptist bias t-shirts and we have them in black, we have them in green,

00:27:42.040 --> 00:27:46.790
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00:27:46.790 --> 00:27:50.820
 promotion. We're going to be putting it on our website to where someone could order one or get

00:27:50.820 --> 00:27:55.980
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00:27:55.980 --> 00:28:02.460
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00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:08.090
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00:28:08.090 --> 00:28:13.580
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00:28:13.580 --> 00:28:18.180
 bias t-shirt that you can have. And so, that's just kind of a special promotion we're going to do.

00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:23.990
 Also, again, you can call in 231-Baptist, but I want to play this clip of Candice here for a moment

00:28:23.990 --> 00:28:28.880
 and then get some of your thoughts. Let's go ahead and play that clip. And I really wish the

00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:33.300
 Jewish community had listened to me on that because it seems that the overuse of the term

00:28:33.300 --> 00:28:40.080
 anti-Semitism is leading us to a place that we should discuss. Pastor Greg Locke, you have a

00:28:40.080 --> 00:28:47.380
 congregation of over 1200 people, four million YouTube subscribers. What message would you give

00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:51.580
 to Candice Owens? I want Candice to understand that if you're going to call yourself a biblical

00:28:51.580 --> 00:28:56.920
 Christian, then you have to believe the biblical mandate and the biblical mandate over and over.

00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:02.110
 Matter of fact, hundreds of times is that we are to stand with love and support the people of God,

00:29:02.110 --> 00:29:07.130
 the Jewish nation. They're really the Jewish nation, and the Bible has so much to say about

00:29:07.130 --> 00:29:12.000
 that. So to say that you're either someone who believes the Bible or you're a Christian or you're

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.940
 conservative, that simply means that you are going to have to repent of what you have said,

00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:20.210
 or at least come out and tell us who you really are. Because at the end of the day,

00:29:20.210 --> 00:29:26.860
 real Christians stand with the people of God. Now, I think that this is coming from some of

00:29:26.860 --> 00:29:31.730
 Candice's other previous statements. You remember what she said, Ben? Well, I mean, she was

00:29:31.730 --> 00:29:37.930
 questioning the idea that the Jews are the special class of people that are the apple of God's eye.

00:29:37.930 --> 00:29:43.500
 She questioned the Holocaust, I believe. She questioned America's unrelenting support for

00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:50.700
 Israel politically. Well, she questioned 1948, didn't she? 1948, yeah. So obviously, when you

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:57.430
 start making, you know, statements like that and asking questions like that, it's going to

00:29:57.430 --> 00:30:03.660
 rattle cages and that's what happened this week. I think that there's another, I don't know if we

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:11.520
 have, do we have another clip from some of your research? Okay, I want to play one other clip

00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:15.570
 from her and then I want to comment on Greg Locke's things. There's another one where she's

00:30:15.570 --> 00:30:19.430
 wearing like a black hat or something. I don't know if you can pull that one up. So she talks

00:30:19.430 --> 00:30:26.040
 about us being an occupied nation. And, you know, she's really been blowing up the internet a little

00:30:26.040 --> 00:30:34.580
 bit. Let's see. It should be, I'll post it in there again. It's in there, but just a little

00:30:34.580 --> 00:30:40.660
 bit further down. We'll give our crew just a second to pull the other clip up. But when it comes to,

00:30:40.660 --> 00:30:46.280
 you know, this issue, she's a pretty popular person. I think she has about four or five

00:30:46.280 --> 00:30:53.070
 million followers on maybe Twitter or Instagram or vice versa. She was on The Daily Wire,

00:30:53.070 --> 00:30:57.520
 which was owned by Ben Shapiro. And I think just by saying that she didn't want Palestinian children

00:30:57.520 --> 00:31:03.170
 to be slaughtered, she got fired. And then since then, she became Catholic. Then after that, she

00:31:03.170 --> 00:31:09.700
 was questioning the Holocaust and a lot of other things. So now it's just like almost everybody

00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:14.450
 seems to be condemning her. Even Tim Ballard, I saw that the guy from Sound of Freedom came out

00:31:14.450 --> 00:31:19.730
 and kind of spoke against Candice. But let's see if we can play this clip. She's actually worried

00:31:19.730 --> 00:31:23.200
 she's going to die, I think. There's language in this. You think it's normal, by the way,

00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:28.910
 that basically every person who speaks about Israel has to basically say a statement that's like,

00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:34.610
 you know, "I don't want to get killed." Like, literally, you start speaking about people who

00:31:34.610 --> 00:31:45.890
 are like, "Candice, beef up your security." But like, that is not normal, okay? It's not normal

00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:50.840
 that people have to think about their security. Because--and by the--so then, the way that you

00:31:50.840 --> 00:31:56.110
 get comfortable with it is you're like, "Eh, well, you know, they shot JFK in an open car,

00:31:56.110 --> 00:31:59.750
 so there's not--I mean, it's the same president. I mean, obviously the mysterious doesn't really

00:31:59.750 --> 00:32:02.840
 matter. If they want me, they're going to get me." That's not a normal thought process to have.

00:32:02.840 --> 00:32:08.240
 We don't have that about any other country in the world except for the one that, you know,

00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:14.170
 took over ours. And that's the truth, okay? We are an occupied nation, and if it's going to take

00:32:14.170 --> 00:32:19.760
 women, like, having to speak up and say that to make permission, like, to give permission to men

00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:24.640
 to do the same, then I'm happy to be the first person, okay? I just want to be clear. Anything

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:31.430
 happens to me? Blame the Zionists. Like, 1,000% blame the Zionists. Like, let that be my parting

00:32:31.430 --> 00:32:38.600
 work. So, she's saying that if she dies, blame the Zionists. Pull up Greg Locke's, uh, just Twitter.

00:32:38.600 --> 00:32:43.910
 Just see if you can go there. I think we had sent, like, a picture or something of some of

00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:51.180
 his, uh, just his page. Yeah, there we go. Pull up some of this. This is what makes me mad, okay?

00:32:52.250 --> 00:32:56.450
 Because we get censored, the New Ivy gets censored, Pastor Anderson gets censored,

00:32:56.450 --> 00:33:00.250
 it's almost like our viewpoint doesn't get out there. So then she makes this claim, like,

00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:06.570
 I'll have to be the first one to say that, like, our nation's occupied or talk about Jews or

00:33:06.570 --> 00:33:12.030
 Holocaust. But it's like Pastor Anderson made a Holocaust video. I don't remember what the year

00:33:12.030 --> 00:33:19.830
 was. I want to say, do you remember that year, like 2016 or 2017? Well, Marching Design came out in

00:33:19.830 --> 00:33:28.690
 2015. And so it had to be either 2015 or 16. It was like right after? Yeah, it was part of, you know,

00:33:28.690 --> 00:33:34.570
 promoting the film and explaining the film and, you know, answering questions about the film and

00:33:34.570 --> 00:33:38.380
 things like that. But in all fairness, I think you may have misunderstood what she said because she

00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:45.580
 was saying the first woman, she was trying to make a big deal about that. Well, no, I think she was

00:33:45.580 --> 00:33:50.450
 just acting like no one said it. She's giving permission to men. If she has to be the first

00:33:50.450 --> 00:33:55.900
 one, she's like saying it's sad that women have to say it first. But I think she's kind of making

00:33:55.900 --> 00:33:59.950
 it seem like she's the first one to get out there and talk about these issues. But she kind of lives

00:33:59.950 --> 00:34:04.080
 in her own echo chamber a little bit too. I think in The Daily Wire, she probably wasn't experiencing

00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:10.740
 a lot of truth about Zionism in that particular echo chamber. Yeah, like, for example, you know,

00:34:10.740 --> 00:34:19.030
 I remember back when I started Faith Forward Baptist Church, Christmas of 2005, I still didn't

00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:25.380
 understand the truth about Israel. You know, I still had the Zionist viewpoint and believe that

00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:30.660
 the Jews were God's chosen people and all those things, because that's what I was brought up with.

00:34:30.660 --> 00:34:37.330
 And that teaching was just so ingrained in me that even though I had read the Bible so many times,

00:34:37.330 --> 00:34:46.940
 and literally read the Bible like 20 times, and I just was so stuck on that thing of the Jews being

00:34:46.940 --> 00:34:51.900
 God's chosen people, and I remember when I first started to see the truth about it, which was around

00:34:51.900 --> 00:35:01.720
 like July of 2006, I'd never heard anyone as a Christian not be pro-Israel, supporting Israel,

00:35:01.720 --> 00:35:06.470
 for Israel, totally Zionist. I'd never even heard of any Christians that didn't believe that the

00:35:06.470 --> 00:35:12.400
 Jews were God's chosen people. And I spent like the next six months just reading my Bible two more

00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:17.000
 times and just trying to make sure I wasn't missing something, because I was like, "Man,

00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.370
 if I'm going to preach something so radical..." Because it felt radical at the time. Now it

00:35:21.370 --> 00:35:25.740
 doesn't feel radical. Now it's just obvious because it's just what the Bible says. I was like,

00:35:25.740 --> 00:35:30.340
 "Man, I got to be 100% sure that I'm not wrong about this." I read the Bible two more times

00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:37.650
 just looking for this one thing. And finally, I was ready to preach about it in December of 2006.

00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:42.910
 But right before I did, there was a guy who was visiting my church and he gave me a stack of

00:35:42.910 --> 00:35:49.140
 cassette tapes from Dr. Roland Rasmussen, who's a pastor in Los Angeles. And I was listening to

00:35:49.140 --> 00:35:55.020
 those cassette tapes. And in one of the cassette tapes, Pastor Rasmussen was actually preaching

00:35:55.020 --> 00:36:01.190
 the truth about this. And I remember that kind of just boosted my confidence. Like, "Oh, wow,

00:36:01.190 --> 00:36:06.890
 I'm not the only one. Here is another sermon that's saying the same thing from an independent

00:36:06.890 --> 00:36:13.760
 fundamental Baptist." And so the point of what I'm saying is that, yeah, sometimes we don't realize

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:19.520
 what's out there, because we do sometimes live in our own little world or our own echo chamber,

00:36:19.520 --> 00:36:26.180
 or we're just around people who believe like us, or we're just around all people of one certain

00:36:26.180 --> 00:36:31.270
 denomination. And whenever you find out the truth about something, of course, it turns out that

00:36:31.270 --> 00:36:37.570
 there are millions of other people all along that knew the truth about it. But you sometimes feel

00:36:37.570 --> 00:36:44.250
 like you're the only one. And so that's probably how she feels, because she's this, I don't really

00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:49.670
 know anything about her or who she is, but I guess she's some kind of a conservative commentator or

00:36:49.670 --> 00:36:56.190
 radio host or whatever she is. So, you know, I guess she's a conservative and conservatives

00:36:56.190 --> 00:37:03.040
 are all for Israel. So, you know, she'd never heard of anybody not being for Israel. So she's

00:37:03.040 --> 00:37:08.300
 just kind of this pioneer in her own mind. But I think we all kind of feel that way sometimes when

00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:16.330
 we're coming out of a really, you know, homogenous group of people on a certain doctrine and we kind

00:37:16.330 --> 00:37:23.210
 of go the other way. Yeah. I mean, I think that marching to Zion made a big impact. Of course,

00:37:23.210 --> 00:37:27.190
 you'd already preached things on that before. And I think that already kind of laid some groundwork,

00:37:27.190 --> 00:37:32.600
 but marching to Zion reached a lot of people and it really changed a lot of minds. And I think for

00:37:32.600 --> 00:37:36.820
 Candace, she's probably only getting exposed to people like Greg Locke, which when you look

00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:45.150
 at his Twitter, he's pulling up passages. He's like telling Charlie Kirk to rebuke Candace Owens or

00:37:45.150 --> 00:37:53.300
 disown Candace Owens. There's another post also. See if you can pull this one up. Yeah, look at this.

00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:59.790
 This is a real post. This is not like a parody. This is like a real post from Greg Locke where he

00:37:59.790 --> 00:38:07.910
 just put like six million Israeli flags on his Twitter here. Yeah, but here's what you have to

00:38:07.910 --> 00:38:12.420
 understand about Greg Locke, okay? Because I've actually watched Greg Locke over the years because

00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:18.450
 I knew about Greg Locke even before he was well known at all because a lot of people may not

00:38:18.450 --> 00:38:25.110
 realize this, but he actually started out as a King James Bible preaching fundamentalist Baptist

00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:33.080
 that actually preached at churches that I've been to. So he was actually in the same movement that

00:38:33.080 --> 00:38:39.380
 I was in of independent fundamental Baptist, and I remember Pastor Jimenez and I listening to his

00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:44.800
 preaching literally, you know, 20 years ago or something, or probably more, actually more than

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:49.860
 that, like 20 some odd years ago, and we just thought that he was boring and lame. We didn't

00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:57.780
 like him, but he was in that movement. And then what you've seen him do since then is stop being

00:38:57.780 --> 00:39:03.290
 King James and stop being a fundamentalist Baptist. Why? Because he did not thrive in

00:39:03.290 --> 00:39:08.520
 that movement. He didn't make it in that movement because he sucked. So he didn't really go anywhere.

00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:15.540
 He wasn't popular. So then what you've seen him do over the last many, many years is just literally

00:39:15.540 --> 00:39:22.260
 say whatever people want to hear to be popular. But he'll always make it sound like he's so

00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:28.530
 controversial and so edgy like, "Man, I know this is really going to upset people, but I just think

00:39:28.530 --> 00:39:33.820
 men should use the men's bathroom and women should use the women's bathroom." Because if you look at

00:39:33.820 --> 00:39:39.950
 the history of Greg Locke, the thing that made his Facebook page blow up and what made him famous

00:39:39.950 --> 00:39:49.930
 was literally Target letting transvestites into the women's room. He took this really bold stand

00:39:49.930 --> 00:40:01.330
 of saying that these transvestites shouldn't be in the ladies' room and so forth. He always is just

00:40:01.330 --> 00:40:09.240
 saying these really Republican things, just really vanilla stuff that literally half of America

00:40:09.240 --> 00:40:15.310
 agrees with anybody who's conservative and he'll just say whatever is popular and whatever's like

00:40:15.310 --> 00:40:22.600
 the trending topic that week he'll talk about it and he'll always say the most popular opinion

00:40:22.600 --> 00:40:29.250
 but he'll act like it's just so you know uh countercultural. It's like Fox News is amped up

00:40:29.250 --> 00:40:38.200
 a little bit. Yeah he's just he he is Fox News as a preacher and you know what I'm just gonna say it

00:40:38.200 --> 00:40:42.750
 I'm just gonna say it I don't care if you walk out of my church I'm gonna say it right now

00:40:42.750 --> 00:40:51.330
 the Democrats don't believe the Bible amen come on come on now. How much of his preaching do you

00:40:51.330 --> 00:41:01.530
 really listen to Ben? He's the most vanilla preacher in the world and he's just but now

00:41:01.530 --> 00:41:06.890
 he's taken it to another level by becoming a Charismaniac but again why does he do that

00:41:06.890 --> 00:41:14.390
 because he knows that the big money-making mega pastors that have the big televangelist lifestyle

00:41:14.390 --> 00:41:20.230
 are Charismaniacs so he'll become a Charismaniac. I mean he will literally become anything if it

00:41:20.230 --> 00:41:27.170
 will get him popularity. You can watch this man's career over the last few decades and it's just

00:41:27.170 --> 00:41:33.490
 whatever it takes to be popular he'll do it. That's all that matters to him and so yeah whatever's

00:41:33.490 --> 00:41:38.420
 the trending topic that's what he's going to talk about and of course there's a huge segment of

00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:45.330
 America that is super pro-Israel and he's ready to just tell them what they want to hear. People

00:41:45.330 --> 00:41:52.770
 don't listen to Greg Locke to be challenged. They listen to Greg Locke to basically hear their

00:41:52.770 --> 00:41:58.860
 opinion coming out of his mouth. I mean do you think that he's really reaching a lot of new people

00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:05.840
 or is he just basically pandering to an audience that's just hungry for his message? Yeah there's

00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:11.270
 no way that he's taking people that are against Israel and converting them to being pro-Israel.

00:42:11.270 --> 00:42:16.980
 There's no way. That's just simply not happening. What he's doing is just having this little cheer

00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:23.990
 leader pep rally for Israel with people that are already Israel fans. He's just energizing

00:42:23.990 --> 00:42:30.470
 his little Israel fans by just showing that he can post more flags and more heart emojis

00:42:30.470 --> 00:42:36.760
 in the post than the other guy. Well I feel like you're marching the Zion clips,

00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:43.920
 or at least your film, is still reaching people today. I've seen a couple more recent posts where

00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:52.370
 the people were sharing your sermon clip and Stu Peter specifically shared one of the snippets

00:42:52.370 --> 00:43:01.130
 from the film. I want to see if we can play this. This is Leo Abrami I think. I don't know if we

00:43:01.130 --> 00:43:09.000
 can hear it. This is still present in the mind of many. Throughout history, Christians have not

00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:14.640
 looked at the Jews as God's chosen people. They looked at them as a people that rejected Christ

00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:20.760
 and were therefore rejected by God. For example, the last book written by Martin Luther before he

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:27.730
 died was called "The Jews and Their Lies" and in this book he gives all kinds of scriptural arguments

00:43:27.730 --> 00:43:33.120
 for why the Jews are not God's chosen people and he also exposes a lot of the blasphemous

00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:40.960
 teachings of the Talmud. They have demon. This guy, this guy's got like the most epic voice ever.

00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:48.880
 I mean part of the part of the thing that's so great about the film "Marching Design" is just

00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:55.290
 all four rabbis are just so classic. I mean obviously God was really blessing the film

00:43:55.290 --> 00:44:00.270
 because I don't think you could have gotten four better rabbis. It's like the four best rabbis in

00:44:00.270 --> 00:44:07.800
 America just to represent Judaism. They're all different too. They're so different from one

00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.260
 another and it was so great how we had such a broad spectrum because we had an orthodox rabbi,

00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:18.350
 we had the conservative rabbi, we had the reformed rabbi, we had the humanist rabbi,

00:44:18.350 --> 00:44:23.120
 and they have totally different personalities, but they're all just so classic and it just makes the

00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:29.500
 movie so entertaining and so quotable. You know, before I forget, I want to go back to something

00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:34.580
 that Greg Locke said, you know, his thing about how just, "Oh, the Bible is just so filled with

00:44:34.580 --> 00:44:40.330
 the Jewish nation. We got to support the Jewish nation." You know, I just did a quick search on

00:44:40.330 --> 00:44:46.960
 Jewish nation and it's not even in the Bible. There is no such thing as the Jewish nation.

00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:52.270
 What's he even talking about? I did a quick search just on the word Jewish and I came up with one

00:44:52.270 --> 00:45:00.060
 Bible verse, you know, that we need to avoid Jewish fables. You know, he's just acting like

00:45:00.060 --> 00:45:06.710
 there's just this mountain of evidence for the Jewish nation when in reality what you have is

00:45:06.710 --> 00:45:14.920
 you have talk about Israel, okay, and when you look up verses that are about the Jews, typically

00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:22.110
 it ends up being negative, okay, because you find verses like Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 where

00:45:22.110 --> 00:45:26.790
 it talks about how they say they're Jews but they're not. They're actually the synagogue of Satan.

00:45:26.790 --> 00:45:32.810
 Or you find in Romans chapter 2 he's not a Jew which is one outwardly. Neither is that circumcision

00:45:32.810 --> 00:45:38.440
 which is outward in the flesh but he's a Jew which is one inwardly. And so you find a lot of

00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:44.530
 verses calling out the Jews as imposters that spiritually they're not right.

00:45:44.530 --> 00:45:51.830
 You find verses about the Jews killing the Lord Jesus and killing their own prophets.

00:45:51.830 --> 00:45:56.760
 You find all kinds of verse in the book of Acts about the Jews stirring up persecution

00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:03.120
 against Christians. I mean there's just not this mountain of verses saying we need to support the

00:46:03.120 --> 00:46:12.650
 Jewish nation. That's not even a biblical concept. And by the way, it's not even the reality of what

00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:21.690
 Israel is because Israel is not necessarily even a Jewish state or a Jewish nation in the sense that

00:46:21.690 --> 00:46:25.730
 he's thinking. Just because someone lives in Israel doesn't even mean that they're a religious

00:46:25.730 --> 00:46:35.170
 Jew. I mean a lot of Israelis are secular. And in fact, the vast majority are not Orthodox

00:46:35.170 --> 00:46:41.750
 Jews. Many are non-religious or reformed Jews. And you know, the Orthodox Jews make up a

00:46:41.750 --> 00:46:48.680
 minority of the population over there. But even so, Orthodox Judaism is a wicked, blasphemous,

00:46:48.680 --> 00:46:53.840
 Christ-rejecting, anti-Christ religion. And so, you know, he makes these claims. He's

00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:59.300
 not backing anything up. It's just… He's not teaching anything. He's just yelling

00:46:59.300 --> 00:47:03.220
 and screaming. You know, the verse he brought up is an important verse because I've had

00:47:03.220 --> 00:47:07.220
 conversations with people that are Zionists and I just ask them, I say, "Okay, Bible

00:47:07.220 --> 00:47:11.950
 says in Titus chapter 1, 'Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men that

00:47:11.950 --> 00:47:19.400
 turn from the truth.'" I say, as a Zionist, who do you apply that verse to? Because it's

00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.850
 almost like all of these warnings that we have in the Bible about the circumcision,

00:47:23.850 --> 00:47:29.850
 the concision, and specifically about the Jews that they apply to no one. Like, from

00:47:29.850 --> 00:47:35.020
 a Zionistic perspective, it seems like they don't have anybody to apply these verses to

00:47:35.020 --> 00:47:39.230
 and that they're almost meaningless to them. I mean, you have some verses in Revelation

00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:44.880
 2.9 and 3.9 that bring up the Jews which are lying about it and the synagogue of Satan.

00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.890
 The Bible says they say they're Jews, but they do lie. They are the synagogue of Satan.

00:47:49.890 --> 00:47:56.010
 It almost seems like the Zionists have no application, no interpretation for these verses.

00:47:56.010 --> 00:48:02.560
 Correct me if I'm wrong, have you heard a Zionist argument for any of these verses, Ben?

00:48:02.560 --> 00:48:08.480
 No, I don't really hear a lot of their biblical... other than dancing around in Romans 11, and

00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:14.600
 we talked earlier about some of the Old Testament passages, they like to wrongly apply to the

00:48:14.600 --> 00:48:22.580
 Jews coming in in 1948. No, I don't often hear them actually address these points.

00:48:22.580 --> 00:48:27.080
 The closest I've heard is I believe it was Andrew Sluder, and that's a name probably

00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:31.230
 no one knows anymore. He's kind of faded into obscurity, but I'm pretty sure he made the

00:48:31.230 --> 00:48:40.810
 argument that Christians are Abraham seed, but then the Jews are also Abraham seed, and

00:48:40.810 --> 00:48:46.080
 they'll get converted magically at the end of Daniel's 70th week. So it's kind of like,

00:48:46.080 --> 00:48:51.440
 we're both Abraham seed just in a different way, but they're still God's chosen people.

00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.320
 I don't know. At the end of the day, it seems like they kind of just speak more so in talking

00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:01.320
 points and memorized talking points than structured Biblical arguments. At least that's my perspective.

00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:03.420
 Yeah, I guess...

00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:08.510
 Well, you made an excellent point about how they make these verses meaningless, and here's

00:49:08.510 --> 00:49:13.580
 another way of wording that. You've made the Word of God of none effect by your tradition.

00:49:13.580 --> 00:49:18.430
 I mean, that's what Jesus said about people who twist the Bible. And what's funny is

00:49:18.430 --> 00:49:24.750
 that what I've heard people say about Revelation 2 and 3 is they said, "Oh, it's the Jehovah's

00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:30.650
 Witnesses," or, "Oh, it's the Black Hebrew Israelites." They'll try to point to some

00:49:30.650 --> 00:49:35.800
 modern day cult and say, "These are the people who are saying they're Jews and are not,"

00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:36.830
 or whatever.

00:49:36.830 --> 00:49:42.760
 I've heard that it's us. It's you and I. I mean, Black Hebrew Israelites would say that

00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.500
 it's us or something.

00:49:44.500 --> 00:49:49.820
 But what's so stupid about that though is that obviously the Bible is timeless. Obviously

00:49:49.820 --> 00:49:56.250
 the Bible is also applying to future situations. But it also must have some meaning to the

00:49:56.250 --> 00:50:01.630
 original audience. I mean, if he's writing to a literal church back in the first century

00:50:01.630 --> 00:50:08.590
 AD and he's writing to a church in Asia Minor saying, "I know the blasphemy of them which

00:50:08.590 --> 00:50:12.380
 say they are Jews and are not but are the synagogue of Satan," I mean, what is the

00:50:12.380 --> 00:50:18.410
 original audience like, "Well, huh? I've never seen anything like that. Oh, don't worry.

00:50:18.410 --> 00:50:23.790
 It's coming hundreds of years later." Obviously, the things that are said in those letters

00:50:23.790 --> 00:50:30.040
 to the seven churches, they have to have meaning for those seven churches. Otherwise, why is

00:50:30.040 --> 00:50:34.680
 he saying it to the church at Smyrna? Why is he saying it to the Church of Philadelphia?

00:50:34.680 --> 00:50:38.800
 It must have meaning for that church. So, it has to be a group that was around back

00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.400
 then. You can't say it's coming in the future.

00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:47.960
 To continue with your point, because it's such a good point, is why are the Jews at

00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:54.140
 that time, if we're going to make the application of the historical context, if the Jews back

00:50:54.140 --> 00:50:59.250
 then are bad, and you're supposed to be aware of them, and that they're lying, and they're

00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:05.670
 the synagogue of Satan, what event caused them to not be that anymore? At what point

00:51:05.670 --> 00:51:11.420
 did they just stop being these bad people? It's like, okay, well 1948, but none of them

00:51:11.420 --> 00:51:16.470
 got saved or turned to God or had some revival or started believing in Jesus Christ, so why

00:51:16.470 --> 00:51:21.890
 would I think that anything's different? If we take the historical context, we recognize

00:51:21.890 --> 00:51:26.410
 that they were bad, they were enemies at that time, why is it that they're now magically

00:51:26.410 --> 00:51:33.130
 not enemies? Like, what was the event that caused them to stop being an enemy, Ben?

00:51:33.130 --> 00:51:38.490
 There was none. I mean, clearly that ideology has been passed down to those who call themselves

00:51:38.490 --> 00:51:43.070
 Jews today, and it's gotten worse. It's gotten even more rotten. It's gotten even more blasphemous.

00:51:43.070 --> 00:51:48.080
 It's gotten even more anti-Christ. Some of the things written in the Talmud are so evil,

00:51:48.080 --> 00:51:53.360
 I don't even want to repeat it right now. So it's only gotten worse, it seems like.

00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.400
 Pastor Ederson?

00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.540
 Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, and I think Philippians 3 is such a powerful passage.

00:52:00.540 --> 00:52:05.720
 It's hard to pick which one's the best, but Philippians 3 is so powerful. Beware of dogs,

00:52:05.720 --> 00:52:12.850
 beware of evil workers, beware of the concision, or we are the circumcision, which worship

00:52:12.850 --> 00:52:18.520
 God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

00:52:18.520 --> 00:52:24.220
 So he calls the Jews, instead of the circumcision, which is what they would call themselves,

00:52:24.220 --> 00:52:30.960
 he calls them the concision because he says we as Christians who believe in Jesus Christ,

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:36.830
 we're the actual circumcision. I mean, you have the Apostle Paul saying to a Gentile

00:52:36.830 --> 00:52:42.640
 church in Philippi in Macedonia, he's saying to the Macedonian believers,

00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:48.800
 we're the circumcision who worship Jesus Christ. I mean, I don't understand how you could get any

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:56.620
 clearer than that. But I think that for a lot of these people, they're so hung up on the genealogy

00:52:56.620 --> 00:53:01.610
 aspect. Like you can throw all these scriptures at them passage after passage, verse after verse,

00:53:01.610 --> 00:53:07.260
 and they'll just come at you with, but you don't understand. Those folks in Israel have an ethnic

00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:12.420
 line that takes them all the way back to Abraham. And according to Genesis chapter 12, we need to

00:53:13.370 --> 00:53:19.700
 bless them or else we won't be blessed ourselves. And one thing I want to bring up is that in your

00:53:19.700 --> 00:53:26.380
 film "Marching to Zion," you actually address that point about this supposed ethnic line that they

00:53:26.380 --> 00:53:32.910
 have, that they, you know, are of Abraham physically speaking, when the reality is, first of all,

00:53:32.910 --> 00:53:38.140
 it doesn't matter what your ethnicity is. We're in the New Testament and we're all one in Christ

00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:41.930
 Jesus. The Bible says we're all of one blood. The Bible says that the house of God is a house of

00:53:41.930 --> 00:53:46.650
 prayer for all people. You could be purple. I don't care. So that's the first thing. Second

00:53:46.650 --> 00:53:53.170
 thing is you even debunk that talking point that they use about how, well, these people are physical

00:53:53.170 --> 00:54:00.360
 descendants of Abraham and so therefore they ought to be pedestalized. I want to play another clip

00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:06.570
 here and Stu Peters is apparently your number one fan. He interviewed you, didn't he? Yeah,

00:54:06.570 --> 00:54:12.910
 I think he did actually. Not that long ago. He's invited me on a couple times since then,

00:54:12.910 --> 00:54:18.250
 but unfortunately it just didn't work with my schedule. So I need to get back on there

00:54:18.250 --> 00:54:24.080
 because I feel bad because I haven't been able to come on the couple times that he wanted me to come

00:54:24.080 --> 00:54:29.270
 on. You know what I mean? I was just busy. It just didn't work out. So hopefully I can come on again,

00:54:29.270 --> 00:54:35.320
 but he must have a pretty big audience because I even had someone visit our church this Sunday

00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:40.760
 and they said, "Oh, I heard about you through Stu Peters." And so apparently he's got a pretty big

00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:47.090
 audience and so I'm glad that he's playing this stuff because at the end of the day it's the Bible

00:54:47.090 --> 00:54:51.960
 that people need to hear and people need to hear the truth about this stuff. I just have two words

00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:57.910
 to debunk the argument that Ben brought up. It's just avoid genealogies. I mean, that's what the

00:54:57.910 --> 00:55:03.930
 Bible says, avoid genealogies. And it's funny because the Old Testament's filled with genealogies,

00:55:03.930 --> 00:55:08.630
 but the New Testament only has two genealogies in the entire New Testament. There are two

00:55:08.630 --> 00:55:15.990
 genealogies and they're both the same person's genealogy, Jesus. Right. Because Jesus's genealogy

00:55:15.990 --> 00:55:21.330
 is the only genealogy that matters anymore. You know, and that's why in the entire New Testament,

00:55:21.330 --> 00:55:28.450
 the only genealogy that exists is the genealogy of Jesus. And they hate that. Avoid genealogies.

00:55:28.450 --> 00:55:33.670
 They want to go to the Talmud and say he's like the son of Pantera, Ben Pantera or something.

00:55:33.670 --> 00:55:40.580
 Let's play this clip. Go ahead. It's not hard to figure out who the synagogue of Satan is

00:55:40.580 --> 00:55:45.760
 when you realize that there's only one religion in this world that uses synagogues. Judaism.

00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.630
 It's not hard to figure out who they are when the Bible tells us that they say they're Jews

00:55:50.630 --> 00:55:54.100
 and they're not. Not everyone in this world goes around saying I'm a Jew.

00:55:54.100 --> 00:55:58.660
 People who practice Judaism say that they're Jews. It's not hard to figure out.

00:55:58.660 --> 00:56:03.460
 There we go. I guess it's not hard to figure out who they are, Ben.

00:56:03.460 --> 00:56:05.030
 No. You don't even need a genealogy.

00:56:05.030 --> 00:56:10.970
 Well, and you know what's funny? You know, there is that sequence in the Marching Design

00:56:10.970 --> 00:56:17.220
 film, it's like a 20-minute sequence or something, where I show mathematically and scientifically,

00:56:17.220 --> 00:56:22.960
 basically, that every single one of us on this planet is a direct descendant of Abraham.

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.580
 And, you know, I've heard people laugh at that or scoff at that. You know what I've never heard

00:56:27.580 --> 00:56:32.340
 is an actual meaningful response to that. And I, you know, I was really disappointed because

00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:38.240
 when we came out with that film back in 2015, and when I preached that sermon back in 2014,

00:56:38.240 --> 00:56:45.980
 literally 10 years ago, I was expecting there to be some kind of a response, some kind of a, you

00:56:45.980 --> 00:56:52.000
 know, the empire striking back or something. But what ended up happening was it just, it was just

00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:58.160
 crickets. It was either just totally ignoring it. And I mean, we're talking about a film that has

00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:03.340
 been seen by literally millions of people, possibly even tens of millions of people, but for sure,

00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:10.860
 minimum several million people just on one upload of YouTube have seen the film Marching Design.

00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:18.630
 Okay. And tons of people have done reviews on it, have responded to it, but no one has given

00:57:18.630 --> 00:57:24.730
 a meaningful response. No one has embraced the truth of what I've said. No one has rejected what

00:57:24.730 --> 00:57:30.890
 I've said. No one can even respond to what I've said. And I was ready. Like I had all the math

00:57:30.890 --> 00:57:36.840
 ready. I had all the data ready. I had the the the Bible ready. And I was just so ready to defend

00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:42.580
 that. And I've just never even had a chance to defend it. Because guess what? No one can debunk

00:57:42.580 --> 00:57:49.380
 it because it's true. But yet the entire world just goes on as if it isn't true. And you see

00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:57.180
 these stupid studies in the news like oh new DNA study shows that all the Jews in the world go back

00:57:57.180 --> 00:58:04.500
 to a single female you know 3,500 years ago. It's like yeah no crap we all go back to some female

00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:09.740
 from 35 years ago. I mean it's just it's so dumb it just shows that they don't understand the

00:58:09.740 --> 00:58:14.830
 math or the science in these little pop science articles because I'm not talking about like a

00:58:14.830 --> 00:58:19.290
 scientific journal article actually by a real scientist. I'm talking these little these little

00:58:19.290 --> 00:58:27.180
 pop articles that come out you know sensationalizing these headlines about DNA of Israel which is just a

00:58:27.180 --> 00:58:34.440
 bunch of just selective evidence but you know what if a DNA study shows that the Jews living in Israel

00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:39.250
 today are actually descended from Abraham that wouldn't surprise me one bit because of course

00:58:39.250 --> 00:58:44.800
 they are because we all are because we're all mixed because we've all been mixing for the last

00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.090
 few thousand years and if people don't know what I'm talking about is what I'm saying might sound

00:58:48.090 --> 00:58:53.160
 crazy right now but you know what the truth often does sound crazy the truth especially when it

00:58:53.160 --> 00:58:59.660
 comes to things like math and science the truth is often counterintuitive and like I said it's been

00:58:59.660 --> 00:59:06.020
 over a decade and no one has even tried to debunk that sequence of the film like I'm not saying

00:59:06.020 --> 00:59:11.000
 someone did a bad job of responding to it or debunking it I'm saying that no one has even to

00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:18.700
 my knowledge even tried to respond to it because they can't because I'm right because it's facts

00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:25.530
 it's math surprise we're all Jews I know someone that that's going to really offend and even his

00:59:25.530 --> 00:59:32.220
 name is Israel anyways so he's not going to like that he's a Jew but the thing is I think I think

00:59:32.220 --> 00:59:38.790
 you're ahead of your time I think you're a pioneer but I feel like it's I feel like Zionism is dying

00:59:38.790 --> 00:59:45.020
 at this point I feel like we're not go ahead I was gonna say we're not Jews we're not Israelites

00:59:45.020 --> 00:59:49.700
 because because that's it's got nothing to do with ethnicity and this is another point and I'm sorry

00:59:49.700 --> 00:59:53.270
 to interrupt you but this is another point that kind of went over the head of some people that

00:59:53.270 --> 01:00:01.290
 watch the film is that you know that sequence of the film it kind of culminates in a joke

01:00:01.290 --> 01:00:07.790
 it was it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek it was meant to be silly when I get the DNA test and I'm

01:00:07.790 --> 01:00:12.850
 Jewish and everything like that like people thought I was serious but but really the whole

01:00:12.850 --> 01:00:18.640
 thing was meant to be a joke just to show how stupid it was which is why right after I get the

01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:23.050
 DNA result you know a pastor comes on the screen says come on is this is this what this is really

01:00:23.050 --> 01:00:28.820
 about this is what it really comes down to a DNA test you know anyway sorry to interrupt you

01:00:28.820 --> 01:00:33.910
 you were saying that that he's trying to deny his Jewish heritage you know here on the show but

01:00:33.910 --> 01:00:40.110
 he's Jewish we have proof we have mathematical proof we have the video evidence folks he said

01:00:40.110 --> 01:00:47.280
 it DNA test yeah we have all of the evidence that we need Pastor Anderson's obviously descendant

01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:52.800
 of Israel and so we just need to accept the reality I mean they always talk about you being

01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.500
 like a secret agent like a FEMA pastor or whatever you're like a Mossad Jewish agent so there you go

01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:04.600
 but I feel like you're kind of ahead of your time and I think that nobody was ready with a real

01:01:04.600 --> 01:01:10.480
 response so they're all afraid but it does seem like the tide's been turning a little bit more

01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:15.710
 people are talking about this and it seems like the people talking about this are non-religious

01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:21.190
 or or like loosely religious it seems like the people that are actually religious or the pastors

01:01:21.190 --> 01:01:27.210
 out there are just not talking about it you know apart from maybe you know your friends and and

01:01:27.210 --> 01:01:32.340
 other like-minded fundamental baptists there's really not a lot of people bringing this up it

01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:38.220
 even seems like those who are zionist are kind of afraid to really get in the nitty-gritty or

01:01:38.220 --> 01:01:45.550
 talk about this i'm kind of i'm kind of curious like your thoughts where where are we headed

01:01:45.550 --> 01:01:50.290
 doctrinally like do you think that there's going to be a resurgence of the zionism doctrine i know

01:01:50.290 --> 01:01:56.580
 trump's pretty pro israel and we have greg locks pretty pro israel i mean do you think that this

01:01:56.580 --> 01:02:01.430
 is going to catch on or do you think that we're just going to slowly just roll over top of them

01:02:01.430 --> 01:02:08.770
 i think that the vast majority of so-called christians don't care what the bible says don't

01:02:08.770 --> 01:02:14.010
 care what the truth is don't read the bible don't know anything about it aren't researching it

01:02:14.010 --> 01:02:21.800
 and they will continue to be zionist until jesus comes that's my opinion but i will say this among

01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:28.010
 people who actually matter like people who are actually saved people actually believe the bible

01:02:28.010 --> 01:02:35.630
 like actual christians not just you know people that are culturally christian or you know calling

01:02:35.630 --> 01:02:39.720
 themselves a christian but they don't actually believe on the lord jesus christ as their personal

01:02:39.720 --> 01:02:48.160
 savior you know i'm saying that amongst those who matter zionism is starting to go away and it's

01:02:48.160 --> 01:02:54.720
 starting to fall away and here's why because zionism made sense in the 20th century it was exciting

01:02:54.720 --> 01:03:02.420
 to see these developments in the 20th century from a zionist perspective of them coming into

01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:09.960
 the land and and and look we should acknowledge something right now that the nation of israel

01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:17.820
 coming into existence in the 20th century was an amazing phenomenal event i'm not saying in a good

01:03:17.820 --> 01:03:24.670
 way but it was amazing it was a phenomenon and it was unprecedented in the history of mankind i

01:03:24.670 --> 01:03:31.190
 mean to think about a language being a completely dead language from around the first century ad

01:03:31.190 --> 01:03:38.540
 all the way until the late 1800s to go from a dead language to a language with millions of native

01:03:38.540 --> 01:03:45.210
 speakers okay i mean it's unprecedented show me another language that was dead for almost 2000

01:03:45.210 --> 01:03:50.840
 years and now has you know five six million native speakers or whatever i you know don't quote me on

01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:55.210
 that number but however many millions of native speakers of modern hebrew it's amazing six million

01:03:55.210 --> 01:04:01.840
 right yeah it's got to be six million but it don't question that number either it's got to be uh you

01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:08.850
 know one of the most incredible events in the history of mankind israel becoming a nation the

01:04:08.850 --> 01:04:14.830
 language being resurrected everything surrounding it super interesting but that doesn't prevent it

01:04:14.830 --> 01:04:22.550
 from being ungodly satanic wicked and having nothing to do with people actually being blessed

01:04:22.550 --> 01:04:27.930
 by god or believing in jesus but but but you got to put yourself in the shoes of people in the 20th

01:04:27.930 --> 01:04:33.560
 century okay fundamentalist baptists who are bible-believing christians who loved god you can

01:04:33.560 --> 01:04:41.270
 see why they would see such an amazing event and say wow this is a working of god and especially

01:04:41.270 --> 01:04:45.630
 when they're being told that we'll know you know they're they're coming to the land and then they're

01:04:45.630 --> 01:04:50.630
 they're about to get saved and they're receptive to the gospel and you know all these lies and

01:04:50.630 --> 01:04:57.290
 disinformation they were being fed about how they were about to get saved but now that that doctrine

01:04:57.290 --> 01:05:04.860
 has been kind of sitting out of the fridge for a while it's gotten so rancid and rotten because

01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:12.500
 you know it never happened it never came true the jews didn't get saved there was no revival in

01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:19.750
 israel and there are less christians now in israel than there were 20 years ago you know it's it's

01:05:19.750 --> 01:05:27.210
 it's on a decline okay and stop and think about this too like you mentioned earlier that you know

01:05:27.210 --> 01:05:32.800
 what's a man profited if he gains the whole world loses his own soul okay if you stop and think

01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:40.030
 about it the jews would probably be more likely to get saved if they were living in america or

01:05:40.030 --> 01:05:45.350
 even even places like germany or hungary or russia or something they'd probably be more likely to get

01:05:45.350 --> 01:05:50.030
 saved than living in israel so why would god bring them to israel just so they could have even less

01:05:50.030 --> 01:05:55.250
 of a chance of getting saved being an even more christ rejecting place than they were already in

01:05:55.250 --> 01:06:00.790
 before and bringing them to a place where they're even less likely to get saved look if the jews

01:06:00.790 --> 01:06:06.490
 would have come to the land in 1948 and then in the 50s 60s or 70s there would have been some huge

01:06:06.490 --> 01:06:12.210
 revival where where just hundreds of thousands of jews are being saved or millions of jews are

01:06:12.210 --> 01:06:16.970
 converting to christianity or something you know then you that would that would actually make you

01:06:16.970 --> 01:06:21.950
 think like oh wow okay god's doing something here because people are being saved but what people

01:06:21.950 --> 01:06:27.350
 don't understand is that just because something cool happens or interesting or amazing or phenomenal

01:06:27.350 --> 01:06:34.240
 doesn't mean it's necessarily good or righteous you know i mean obviously there there are going

01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:38.910
 to be some pretty amazing things in the book of revelation done by the dragon and the antichrist

01:06:38.910 --> 01:06:44.490
 and and even john is kind of marveling and wondering and and the angels saying to john like hey where

01:06:44.490 --> 01:06:49.510
 for does thou marvel but it's hard not to marvel at the great whore and at the dragon and at the

01:06:49.510 --> 01:06:55.510
 beast and these things so yeah we you know we can still marvel and say wow you know israel becoming

01:06:55.510 --> 01:07:03.060
 a nation in 1948 who's a pretty unprecedented historical event and obviously it probably does

01:07:03.060 --> 01:07:09.390
 have some significance for end times bible prophecy but for the antichrist for the wicked side not for

01:07:09.390 --> 01:07:15.950
 the good side yeah i think that obviously a lot of people are going to wonder after the beast that's

01:07:15.950 --> 01:07:23.140
 what the bible literally says and i agree with you that you know 1948 is kind of special but it seems

01:07:23.140 --> 01:07:29.640
 like a lot of that specialness warns has has worn off a lot of people now have no idea about any

01:07:29.640 --> 01:07:34.860
 that history they know nothing about world war ii they know very little about the middle east or the

01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:41.260
 state of israel and so when they end up doing research they kind of look at more modern media

01:07:41.260 --> 01:07:48.320
 sources and they're finding a lot of skepticism they're finding um an alternative message and

01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:54.270
 history and it's causing a lot of uproar in churches not even just ours but even in reformed

01:07:54.270 --> 01:08:00.680
 churches and what was funny is i saw a clip of james white who was responding to some of the

01:08:00.680 --> 01:08:07.980
 quote rising anti-semitism that he's seeing in reform circles and you know again it's like have

01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:12.770
 you read any of the reformers because it's like uh you know john calvin martin luther i mean these

01:08:12.770 --> 01:08:20.530
 guys were not pro-jew but i want to play this clip because i found it really funny um apart

01:08:20.530 --> 01:08:25.440
 from the fact that he's decorating some gay rainbow flag behind him but let's let's go ahead and play

01:08:25.440 --> 01:08:35.510
 this clip real quick it was the insatiable hatred by one ethnic group versus another

01:08:35.510 --> 01:08:44.800
 that was fueled not by luther yes i know luther i i know i also read yohan ek i know the historical

01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:59.550
 context a lot better than you do um it was fueled by this insane conspiracy theory that the jews

01:08:59.550 --> 01:09:05.860
 were behind everything well it's happening again on american college campuses and evidently in

01:09:05.860 --> 01:09:20.200
 reform church i'm thankful that doug was addressing it and taking heat for it and i'm sure i'll take

01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:28.160
 heat for saying this and i'll look i'll look any reform man in the eye who would laugh at that

01:09:28.160 --> 01:09:34.390
 meme and you need to repent need to be put under church discipline if you're in a position of

01:09:34.390 --> 01:09:49.020
 leadership you need to step down now now don't make me name names because i will all right you

01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:56.030
 can stop this now this is what i want to do is i want to put up this meme have you seen it been

01:09:56.030 --> 01:10:00.260
 you've shown okay all right let's see if you can still keep a straight face because i don't want

01:10:00.260 --> 01:10:04.690
 you to have to step down out of church and get church discipline but here let's see if we can

01:10:04.690 --> 01:10:12.070
 pull up the uh the meme that james white was just so offended by and he's offended at other people

01:10:12.070 --> 01:10:17.530
 finding this funny in any way shape or form and he believes well if you laugh at it you should

01:10:17.530 --> 01:10:21.950
 be church disciplined according to him you should we have to step down immediately you have to step

01:10:21.950 --> 01:10:27.070
 down if you're a pastor you have to step down because you because you laugh at this meme if

01:10:27.070 --> 01:10:34.020
 you think this is funny and it's coming yeah sorry we're getting it our production crew did not find

01:10:34.020 --> 01:10:42.170
 it funny while it's pulling up go ahead and just point out you know of course that he's so arrogant

01:10:42.170 --> 01:10:48.440
 like i know it better than you do i know the history better than you do who's he talking to

01:10:48.440 --> 01:10:54.700
 is he just no history better than every everybody the viewer like every single person like it doesn't

01:10:54.700 --> 01:11:01.290
 matter who you are who's watching this video he knows the history better than you pastor shelly

01:11:01.290 --> 01:11:08.360
 do you want to walk us through this hey mom what's the holocaust it was the one time jews had to do

01:11:08.360 --> 01:11:18.030
 manual labor so they claimed it killed them well i guess we all need to stop these ladies need to

01:11:18.030 --> 01:11:22.860
 be kicked out of church yeah that was very inappropriate for asking that question um i

01:11:22.860 --> 01:11:30.160
 mean james white is just totally arrogant i'm smarter than you i know the history better than

01:11:30.160 --> 01:11:38.200
 you i know everything he's like that about every subject okay but then he's like you know hey i've

01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:44.650
 read yohan ek or whatever like hold on a second you don't have to read yohan ek or whatever to

01:11:44.650 --> 01:11:49.090
 know martin luther's views on the jews since he literally wrote an entire book called the jews

01:11:49.090 --> 01:11:55.680
 and their lies so it's not really hard to find it it's the title of the book and honestly the

01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:03.290
 book on the jews and their lies is extremely radical it has it has a lot of great biblical

01:12:03.290 --> 01:12:09.660
 points in it but it also just has a lot of just over the top like bluster and rhetoric and it's

01:12:09.660 --> 01:12:16.310
 so radical and all the reformers obviously were negative toward the jews in some way shape or

01:12:16.310 --> 01:12:23.920
 form because that's just that's just the way christianity has been in general and this this

01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:30.640
 pro-jewish pro-zionist stuff is is kind of a new phenomenon and it's it's probably just you know

01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:35.450
 being rolled out for the end times yeah and obviously even if you didn't think that meme

01:12:35.450 --> 01:12:40.460
 was funny at all or even if you're kind of offended by it or whatever it's not a church

01:12:40.460 --> 01:12:47.100
 discipline issue obviously and the fact that he would take it that far just goes to show you

01:12:48.140 --> 01:12:55.740
 that he is a zionist at heart i guess but pastor anderson i'm curious because you bring up this

01:12:55.740 --> 01:13:01.070
 martin luther the jews and their lies and this is slightly off topic so we don't have to spend

01:13:01.070 --> 01:13:06.150
 too much time on it but i am just curious did he believe in baptismal regeneration was there any

01:13:06.150 --> 01:13:12.060
 evidence pointing in that direction yeah and you know that's the bummer because you know it's such

01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:16.970
 a great book but then there's just there's like one or two lines in the book that are just wrong

01:13:16.970 --> 01:13:24.780
 on salvation and it just kind of just ruins the book in that sense but you know he definitely

01:13:24.780 --> 01:13:31.730
 preached some things that are that are you know not compatible with yeah the gospel of Jesus

01:13:31.730 --> 01:13:38.350
 Christ and and so you know if you look at the the fruit the tree is known by its fruit you know look

01:13:38.350 --> 01:13:43.610
 at the lutherans of today talk to any lutheran you want they don't believe in the eternal security

01:13:43.610 --> 01:13:48.860
 of the believer you know they they're not saved when you go knocking on their doors and questioning

01:13:48.860 --> 01:13:56.920
 them on salvation they're virtually never saved and so i mean obviously the guy was teaching false

01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:02.930
 doctrines from the roman catholic church of baptismal regeneration original sin doctrine

01:14:02.930 --> 01:14:10.210
 and stuff like that that is just not biblical and you know but that doesn't take away from the fact

01:14:10.210 --> 01:14:15.860
 that just historically speaking guys like john calvin and martin luther that we don't look up

01:14:15.860 --> 01:14:23.520
 to we don't think that they're wonderful but the reform people do and these are their supposed

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:28.100
 spiritual forebears and they were obviously very clear what they believed about the jews and it's

01:14:28.100 --> 01:14:33.630
 interesting when you read the story about martin luther is that he started out really loving the

01:14:33.630 --> 01:14:38.350
 jews and wanting to get them saved and so he actually put a lot of effort into trying to

01:14:38.350 --> 01:14:44.590
 evangelize the jews and it was in the process of doing that that he realized how much they hated

01:14:44.590 --> 01:14:51.590
 the lord jesus christ and how satanic their religion was and so that's why it ends up being

01:14:51.590 --> 01:14:57.660
 the final book that he writes you know it's it's toward the end of his ministry that he writes this

01:14:57.660 --> 01:15:04.170
 book on the jews and their lies and and you know also one of his final sermons is on that same

01:15:04.170 --> 01:15:09.850
 topic because it was at the end of his life after he'd had the experiences with them that he felt

01:15:09.850 --> 01:15:15.550
 that way about them and like i said the book is over the top like the book is too radical for me

01:15:15.550 --> 01:15:22.520
 i mean the book is just is too much but that being said you can't argue with the biblical points that

01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:27.620
 he makes about the jews all the biblical points that he makes about israel and the jews are really

01:15:27.620 --> 01:15:33.190
 spot on he just kind of goes overboard in some of his rhetoric he he gets a lot of kind of crude

01:15:33.190 --> 01:15:40.860
 like junior high bathroom kind of humor and just a lot of just really extreme uh you know hateful

01:15:40.860 --> 01:15:46.450
 statements about the jews and everything like that but yeah i mean you can't argue with the

01:15:46.450 --> 01:15:52.080
 logic behind the book because he backs things up with the bible and the logic is sound well i think

01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:58.150
 that sometimes it's good to expose what the talmud says as well and i think you had a chart from dan

01:15:58.710 --> 01:16:04.810
 bilzerian where he just kind of highlighted a few quotes from the talmud i want to see if we could

01:16:04.810 --> 01:16:10.550
 kind of bring that up on the screen here and it's kind of it's a little bit hard to see there but

01:16:10.550 --> 01:16:16.390
 it says kind of that top left corner it says so pharaoh 15 even the best of the goyim should all

01:16:16.390 --> 01:16:26.290
 be killed sanhedrin 58b if a goy hits a jew he must be killed yeah yevamoth 98a all children

01:16:26.290 --> 01:16:34.500
 of goyim are animals sanhedrin 57a when a jew murders a gentile there will be no death penalty

01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:46.680
 baba mesia 114b gentile quote goys are not humans they are beasts which you know some of this

01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:52.080
 language is really important when it comes to war efforts it's important to kind of demonize

01:16:52.630 --> 01:16:58.280
 the other side or enemy and make them seem subhuman so that you have no problem killing them murdering

01:16:58.280 --> 01:17:06.990
 them doing whatever to them and so you know a lot of this language is a really useful propaganda tool

01:17:06.990 --> 01:17:12.210
 to do things that are kind of atrocious and for people to feel right about it because most people

01:17:12.210 --> 01:17:17.680
 don't have a seared conscience most people still can kind of generally understand right from wrong

01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:27.050
 and so you almost have to dehumanize people for them to feel okay ripping people off killing women

01:17:27.050 --> 01:17:32.900
 and children slaughtering people torturing them i mean some of the stuff that they're doing is just

01:17:32.900 --> 01:17:40.090
 horrible to the prisoners in israel they're they're like molesting them and raping them

01:17:40.090 --> 01:17:44.540
 and all kinds of stuff and i saw one of the soldiers going on tv saying like you know you

01:17:44.540 --> 01:17:49.730
 better support our troops and that's fine and you know these people are subhuman and

01:17:49.730 --> 01:17:55.460
 it's just it's just kind of weird they we always talk about human rights but it's like

01:17:55.460 --> 01:18:01.600
 what human rights do the jews offer to non-jews according to their own text and this isn't

01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:07.420
 just like obscure passage i mean this is like what officials will even admit to and we've

01:18:07.420 --> 01:18:12.490
 put in the video we put in some of our movies i mean you you've helped us with our lgbt terrorist

01:18:12.490 --> 01:18:19.200
 film and in that latter section it talks about jews what does that one jew say uh do you remember

01:18:19.200 --> 01:18:24.110
 what i sorry what what guy and pigtails he's kind of like towards the end oh yeah he says

01:18:24.110 --> 01:18:29.630
 equal treatment or something basically non-jews aren't even humans but you see this manifested

01:18:29.630 --> 01:18:34.650
 in the way that the israeli government treats the palestinians the way that they're being

01:18:34.650 --> 01:18:42.220
 systematically slaughtered obliterated militarily not just there but also in lebanon and in syria

01:18:42.220 --> 01:18:48.110
 they bomb residential areas supposedly to try to wipe out hezbollah they don't and they just end

01:18:48.110 --> 01:18:53.560
 up killing innocent men women and children the bloodshed that israel is responsible for in the

01:18:53.560 --> 01:19:01.800
 middle east it continues to grow and especially if you know people from that region who can tell you

01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:09.170
 what's going on you know on a boots on the ground level it's really sad and i think that there's

01:19:09.170 --> 01:19:15.650
 this mentality that the jews are justified the israeli government is justified in committing

01:19:15.650 --> 01:19:22.030
 these atrocities and i just don't see how the same folks especially on the left who get all offended

01:19:22.030 --> 01:19:29.550
 about a you know a rebel flag a confederate flag or whatever which i'm not even a confederate flag

01:19:29.550 --> 01:19:34.460
 person but it's so funny a lot of these liberals oh they get so offended about a liberal flag but

01:19:34.460 --> 01:19:40.530
 then they go and vote for politicians who bomb brown people in the middle east systematically

01:19:40.530 --> 01:19:46.960
 who support that at the very least and aid it financially and that's okay that's fine that

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:52.210
 doesn't matter to them you know nuts to your stupid confederate flag you know save me your

01:19:52.210 --> 01:19:58.190
 indignation on that when you support political zionism and i kind of went off on a rabbit

01:19:58.190 --> 01:20:06.810
 trail there i apologize but that's my response well i i feel like there's at least some noticing

01:20:06.810 --> 01:20:15.540
 going on and what i can appreciate is i feel like we're kind of winning when when the jokes

01:20:15.540 --> 01:20:20.140
 and all the memes are on our side and you just go onto a random app where people aren't even

01:20:20.140 --> 01:20:24.500
 fundamental baptists and they're posting things like this i want to play this clip because i just

01:20:24.500 --> 01:20:34.330
 find it amusing did you know that six trillion people died yesterday alone because you didn't

01:20:34.330 --> 01:20:41.360
 take the vaccine is that Fauci's that's what yeah Fauci says that they killed six gorillion

01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:45.470
 now this is what's funny i saw this i just thought it was funny and then and then i typed in six

01:20:45.470 --> 01:20:51.190
 gorillion and you know it's the first what's the first thing that comes up when you type six

01:20:51.190 --> 01:21:00.080
 gorillion into the internet an adl article apparently apparently this is already like

01:21:00.080 --> 01:21:06.980
 a colloquialism or some kind of term where they're just like this is anti-semitism and and they're

01:21:06.980 --> 01:21:11.970
 just they're kind of cracking down on it but again it stems back to the idea of you know

01:21:11.970 --> 01:21:18.280
 the holocaust and six million you can't question these things and so i think out of that stems

01:21:18.280 --> 01:21:22.700
 things like this and you know you scroll through this article it talks a lot about how this is

01:21:22.700 --> 01:21:27.440
 just some kind of anti-semitic trope and blah blah blah but it just seems like every time i read

01:21:27.440 --> 01:21:32.950
 something on the adl i just like learn so much it's like telling all the things they say this is

01:21:32.950 --> 01:21:37.160
 what didn't happen i'm like oh this is like what did happen it's pretty interesting because when

01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:42.480
 someone just makes a wild-eyed conspiracy or just says something crazy about me or one of our friends

01:21:42.480 --> 01:21:47.590
 we usually don't respond at all we're not gonna like write a detailed article about how this isn't

01:21:47.590 --> 01:21:52.040
 factual or whatever it's usually the things that have a little bit of truth or there's there's

01:21:52.040 --> 01:21:56.660
 something going on that people have these kind of detailed responses on so i just find it kind

01:21:56.660 --> 01:22:03.070
 of interesting how the adl it's almost like they're just providing a single-handedly all the

01:22:03.070 --> 01:22:07.660
 information that's like actually pertinent they have things on blood libel they have things on

01:22:07.660 --> 01:22:13.940
 six trillion they have uh actually they have a glossary of terms and steven henderson is it

01:22:13.940 --> 01:22:20.260
 is a defined term um also i'm a defined term in their glossary and it's just kind of funny

01:22:20.260 --> 01:22:26.420
 i typically enjoy reading the adl's articles about me and my church and everything you know

01:22:26.420 --> 01:22:32.950
 right i actually i actually find them to be pretty good sometimes but you know what's interesting is

01:22:32.950 --> 01:22:39.020
 you know you talk about those quotes from the telma dehumanizing gentiles and if you stop and

01:22:39.020 --> 01:22:45.350
 think about it that's basically what was happening in nazi germany during world war ii there was also

01:22:45.350 --> 01:22:50.680
 propaganda that was dehumanizing the jews and that kind of goes to show you that you reap what you

01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:59.010
 sow you know when you have this christ rejecting religion that says we're superior to everyone

01:22:59.010 --> 01:23:06.140
 else and and and dehumanizes non-jews then don't be surprised when you get dehumanized because

01:23:06.140 --> 01:23:11.550
 that's the way the world works you reap what you sow and so i think that that's exactly why that

01:23:11.550 --> 01:23:16.500
 happened to them you know that's a judgment from god it's a punishment from god but one thing i

01:23:16.500 --> 01:23:22.730
 would like to say too is is that you know what you have to understand though is that your average

01:23:22.730 --> 01:23:28.880
 jew has never read the talmud doesn't read the talmud first of all the vast majority of religious

01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:33.960
 jews they don't even have anything to do with the talmud because the talmud is mainly a thing for

01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:40.410
 orthodox jews which again is a small minority of jews and even amongst the orthodox jews most of

01:23:40.410 --> 01:23:46.160
 them are not reading the talmud whatsoever even the rabbis themselves have not read the whole thing

01:23:46.160 --> 01:23:51.450
 i've never even met anyone who claimed to read the entire thing you know and when i asked the

01:23:51.450 --> 01:23:55.720
 rabbis in marching design if they'd read the whole thing they said no and that maybe maybe someone

01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.520
 who devoted their whole life to study had read the whole thing but that most of them hadn't read

01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:05.090
 the whole thing and so i think that you know obviously the jews are not god's chosen people

01:24:05.090 --> 01:24:10.900
 the jews are not saved they're gonna go to hell unless they believe that jesus is their savior

01:24:10.900 --> 01:24:17.800
 that he's the son of god that he's the messiah but at the same time your average jew you know

01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:24.730
 in america or something is not necessarily hating christ or hating gentiles or anything like that

01:24:24.730 --> 01:24:31.310
 you know they're just people just like catholics or muslims or hindus that are just born into a

01:24:31.310 --> 01:24:37.240
 certain religion and they're just kind of living their lives and i you know so i do want to caution

01:24:37.240 --> 01:24:43.710
 people that they shouldn't just get this attitude that just every jew is the enemy and hates christ

01:24:43.710 --> 01:24:51.220
 and hates us and and hates you know the gentiles because it isn't true i mean obviously there are

01:24:51.220 --> 01:24:57.540
 these radical people out there the rabbis and these these ultra orthodox orthodox jews but

01:24:57.540 --> 01:25:02.550
 you know the majority of jews are like the majority of hindus or majority of muslims majority of

01:25:02.550 --> 01:25:09.640
 anything they're just not really that into it and don't really care yeah it's it's sometimes not

01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:15.980
 fair to demonize the 1% for what the 99% do and so you know we need to make sure that we're careful

01:25:15.980 --> 01:25:25.560
 it was a joke but i'm just saying that one over my head that was like what obviously i agree with

01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:29.370
 you that most jews don't even really know what's going on and you know the last time we went to

01:25:29.370 --> 01:25:35.100
 faithward baptist church i ran into a jew but he was you know and of course was saying ethnically

01:25:35.100 --> 01:25:40.280
 that was actually saved he was a part of your church and he was the one making the most of

01:25:40.280 --> 01:25:46.070
 the jew jokes anyway so i appreciated this sense of humor but it's obvious that we still want jews

01:25:46.070 --> 01:25:51.070
 to get saved it's not that i don't want jews to get saved but if we were to be honest some of the

01:25:51.070 --> 01:25:57.260
 worst people some of the people that are very influential in attacking christianity are of the

01:25:57.260 --> 01:26:03.050
 religion of judaism and of course there's a tight coupling between that religion and that ethnicity

01:26:03.050 --> 01:26:08.030
 so some people may mistake you know the ethnicity for the religion but it's really

01:26:08.030 --> 01:26:13.790
 the anti-christ religion that these people are brought up on they believe in or are practicing

01:26:13.790 --> 01:26:19.900
 that in my view in my view the ethnicity doesn't exist i don't i don't even accept that there is

01:26:19.900 --> 01:26:25.990
 a jewish ethnicity i think it's it's nonsense it's ridiculous it's just it's just russians

01:26:25.990 --> 01:26:34.000
 hungarians polish people you know whatever germans you know that there is no jewish ethnicity in my

01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:40.580
 opinion they're just white people yeah i mean i agree i think that when i talk about jewish

01:26:40.580 --> 01:26:45.310
 ethnicity like in my perspective it's it's basically people that converted to the religion

01:26:45.310 --> 01:26:51.500
 of judaism and their children whether or not their children are continuing to practice that

01:26:51.500 --> 01:26:58.270
 particular religion so um it kind of got conflated at some point obviously throughout history but

01:26:58.270 --> 01:27:03.350
 most of these people are just kind of religious converts that were almost probably a one for one

01:27:03.350 --> 01:27:07.950
 of what you would claim was ethnically versus religious and then over time we've had a lot more

01:27:07.950 --> 01:27:17.500
 atheism and secular jews that have kind of diverged maybe from that particular group

01:27:17.500 --> 01:27:23.240
 but ultimately i think you know even why you still see a lot of quote secular jews doing a

01:27:23.240 --> 01:27:27.260
 lot of evil things and wicked things i think they're just kind of brought up in an ecosystem

01:27:27.820 --> 01:27:34.200
 that's still based on jewish teaching and a lot of jewish teaching dehumanizes the gentiles it

01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:41.030
 praises the love of money and so a lot of them kind of have those morals kind of instilled in them

01:27:41.030 --> 01:27:47.560
 and so i think yeah i think it's better instead of calling them ethnic jews i think it's better to

01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:53.760
 call them cultural jews because i think that's what they are they're cultural jews so they're

01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:59.660
 they're raised in that culture because maybe their grandparents or parents were religious jews

01:27:59.660 --> 01:28:05.790
 so they're culturally jews but but ethnically jewish makes it seem as if that's actually a

01:28:05.790 --> 01:28:12.230
 legitimate ethnicity or something when in reality it's really just a bunch of europeans or other

01:28:12.230 --> 01:28:17.300
 people who've converted to judaism they've converted to a religion you know i mean we don't

01:28:17.300 --> 01:28:23.390
 have a christian ethnicity or a muslim ethnicity you know because it's a religion and so i think

01:28:23.390 --> 01:28:30.660
 that you can have religious jews and they could be black white you know asian whatever i mean i knew

01:28:30.660 --> 01:28:37.790
 a korean guy who was jewish right so according to the old ifb i guess he's one of god's chosen

01:28:37.790 --> 01:28:45.230
 people because he's a korean who decided to reject jesus christ and become a jew but the bottom line

01:28:45.230 --> 01:28:52.570
 is you have religious jews and then you have cultural jews and then you have a nationality

01:28:52.570 --> 01:28:59.490
 not an ethnicity but a nationality called israeli right so there's an israeli nationality

01:28:59.490 --> 01:29:05.660
 because there's a nation state called israel and so those people have that israeli passport and

01:29:05.660 --> 01:29:11.160
 that's their nationality they're israelis so you have israelis you have religious jews cultural

01:29:11.160 --> 01:29:16.260
 jews but you know anybody who believes on the lord jesus christ is a christian and anybody who

01:29:16.260 --> 01:29:24.900
 goes by the term jewish you know is typically either talking about the religion or they're culturally

01:29:24.900 --> 01:29:28.200
 jewish and they're not a believer in the lord jesus christ because christians don't go around

01:29:28.200 --> 01:29:36.630
 saying i'm jewish unless they're these weird like judaizing you know uh hebrew roots types or

01:29:36.630 --> 01:29:41.660
 something this sounds a little confusing though because i'm supposed to bless you know the seat

01:29:41.660 --> 01:29:46.780
 of abraham's as a zionist so how am i how am i supposed to know who i'm supposed to be blessing

01:29:46.780 --> 01:29:52.530
 but super easy you just you bless everyone who believes in the lord jesus christ as their savior

01:29:52.530 --> 01:29:58.190
 because the bible says if you be christ then are you abraham's seed and heirs according to the

01:29:58.190 --> 01:30:06.420
 promise so it's very simple you know you you bless christians that's the seat of abraham do

01:30:06.420 --> 01:30:13.260
 you think here's my view a little bit is you know marching to zion was kind of this this pioneer

01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:18.270
 project and i think i think personally it kind of changed a lot of people's perspective woke some

01:30:18.270 --> 01:30:25.580
 people up and a lot of people are now like in the tides a little bit turning is there room for or

01:30:25.580 --> 01:30:31.950
 is the timing coming where another project like a marching design two or maybe just some similar

01:30:31.950 --> 01:30:38.150
 project would maybe be able to come on the heels and and kind of do even more damage now that more

01:30:38.150 --> 01:30:42.490
 people have kind of awoke into this issue what do you think ben do you think that there's some

01:30:42.490 --> 01:30:50.190
 appetite here for another project like this i think the appetite's there to me the challenge is the

01:30:50.190 --> 01:30:56.490
 means by which such a documentary can be distributed given the fact that everything especially that

01:30:56.490 --> 01:31:01.960
 pastor anderson does is throttled and censored and he has to go through 25 youtube channels an hour

01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:08.910
 to post his content so i think there's a challenge there but obviously with unfettered access to

01:31:08.910 --> 01:31:16.440
 youtube and having some kind of platform then yeah i i do think another film like that could

01:31:16.440 --> 01:31:22.530
 potentially make an impact it's just a matter of figuring out how to actually get it in front of

01:31:22.530 --> 01:31:29.770
 people just because of the situation we find ourselves in regarding censorship do what about

01:31:29.770 --> 01:31:34.100
 you pastor anderson apart from obviously just preaching sermons and things like that do you

01:31:34.100 --> 01:31:40.920
 have any plans or a vision to maybe continue to combat this particular doctrine like you did with

01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:47.470
 margin of zion i mean here's the way i see it you know i could never work on another film on the

01:31:47.470 --> 01:31:54.330
 jews because marching to zion was just so good that you could just you could never make a better

01:31:54.330 --> 01:31:58.530
 film than that in my opinion like i'm not saying someone else couldn't but i could never make a

01:31:58.530 --> 01:32:04.710
 better film that that that's the best i got folks and and out of all the documentaries that paul

01:32:04.710 --> 01:32:10.700
 wittenberger and i put together documentaries that i worked on with other people marching design i

01:32:10.700 --> 01:32:17.050
 feel is the greatest documentary that any of us have ever produced like in my opinion it was it's

01:32:17.050 --> 01:32:24.630
 always been my number one favorite but i think that in 2024 that's not really the format that

01:32:24.630 --> 01:32:29.220
 people are looking for anymore because you know back when that film came out in 2015 yeah people

01:32:29.220 --> 01:32:34.500
 are still watching documentaries whereas now yeah they watch documentaries but let's face it

01:32:34.500 --> 01:32:42.010
 unfortunately this is generation tiktok generation instagram everybody loves these little shorts

01:32:42.010 --> 01:32:47.870
 and so i think that now instead of putting together another feature-length film as a follow-up to

01:32:47.870 --> 01:32:53.960
 marching design our time and energy and resources are probably better spent putting together just

01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:59.660
 a short video and just little short videos because that's all anybody wants anymore and

01:32:59.660 --> 01:33:06.110
 personally i hate the format like i like the long format i like watching stuff that lasts for hours

01:33:06.110 --> 01:33:13.020
 but let's face it the young people today they watch shorts they watch tiktok they watch instagram

01:33:13.020 --> 01:33:18.010
 shorts and youtube shorts whatever so i think that there's probably more bang for your buck

01:33:18.010 --> 01:33:23.480
 putting out little short videos like i put out back in the day those israel moments i think i

01:33:23.480 --> 01:33:29.930
 put out like 50 or 60 israel moments and they're just a couple minutes long sadly those are probably

01:33:29.930 --> 01:33:35.550
 even too long for today's audience so you know you just have to hit them with a little 30 second

01:33:35.550 --> 01:33:42.720
 all right give you have to give us like a 10 second snippet here yeah and i mean you know

01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:48.300
 i'm sure i'm sure pastor bruce mehia is probably putting out a bunch of little short snippets on

01:33:48.300 --> 01:33:54.670
 instagram and and i know that people are recycling marching design on tiktok and places like that

01:33:54.670 --> 01:34:01.480
 and so hopefully they just keep doing that but i think that um if i wanted to put out new content

01:34:01.480 --> 01:34:05.980
 on this subject it would it would probably be short content but honestly right now i'm just

01:34:05.980 --> 01:34:11.480
 preaching the bible preaching my sermons preaching three times a week and i just leave it to other

01:34:11.480 --> 01:34:16.540
 people to chop it up and post it everywhere because i'm not allowed to post anything anywhere so

01:34:16.540 --> 01:34:24.780
 other people have to do it for me yeah i mean i i still feel like there's maybe opportunity to

01:34:24.780 --> 01:34:31.280
 make some more documentaries and stuff on this subject i agree with you it's going to be almost

01:34:31.280 --> 01:34:37.770
 impossible to top some of those interviews and some of those scenes in that film it was it's a

01:34:37.770 --> 01:34:45.790
 it's an instant classic however you know i would like to see personally you know maybe me and ben

01:34:45.790 --> 01:34:51.200
 we might still work on a few documentaries that we could still do kind of both chop them up put

01:34:51.200 --> 01:34:56.350
 them out there and then the few dinosaurs like us that want to watch the full length film can go

01:34:56.350 --> 01:35:01.830
 and i think that look your your guys's films the films that you guys have put out are are excellent

01:35:01.830 --> 01:35:08.910
 and and i do think that you guys have put out the best film on the king james bible that anyone has

01:35:08.910 --> 01:35:15.640
 put out i think you guys have put out the best film on the sodomites so i mean you know i'm all

01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:19.680
 for it i just don't know if you can come out with the best film of the jews because because

01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:26.090
 marching design is a tough act to follow i mean even even when when we were making our next films

01:35:26.090 --> 01:35:30.300
 after marching design i remember saying to paul wittenberger like we're never going to be able

01:35:30.300 --> 01:35:35.310
 to top this film we can't even try we just have to make different films we have to just make

01:35:35.310 --> 01:35:40.090
 totally different films because it was just yeah you know and maybe that's just me being biased

01:35:40.090 --> 01:35:45.240
 but i love that film and and no i mean there's no way to to me it's like one of those things

01:35:45.240 --> 01:35:49.950
 where you can't really replace it's like a child you can't like have another child it's like better

01:35:49.950 --> 01:35:54.000
 than the next one it's just it's a it's a child right you're gonna love it and it's unique it's

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:59.550
 special but you could have another child like a different one that's just you know a little bit

01:35:59.550 --> 01:36:05.940
 unique so i i still have in the back of my mind i kind of have an idea for a film on that subject

01:36:05.940 --> 01:36:11.460
 so we may just sneak you in there anyways and then uh even here's the thing even if it's second

01:36:11.460 --> 01:36:17.930
 place i think it would still be worth it yeah i mean i i want to be a part of of your guys future

01:36:17.930 --> 01:36:22.750
 film projects because you you know i love the films you guys have made and and so and it's a

01:36:22.750 --> 01:36:30.560
 lot easier just being in a film than to make the film right what my view is like people like to be

01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:36.330
 part of winter i like it when you guys do all the work and then i just like show up and do a couple

01:36:36.330 --> 01:36:45.440
 interviews yeah well i appreciate what you guys were saying earlier making the distinction between

01:36:45.440 --> 01:36:52.150
 what people call ethnic jews and religious jews i agree i don't believe that there is such an

01:36:52.150 --> 01:36:59.430
 ethnicity anyway i don't even believe in race but what my point is that i i think that some people

01:36:59.430 --> 01:37:08.660
 would listen to a podcast like this and may wrongly believe that we're attacking someone's bloodline

01:37:08.660 --> 01:37:16.830
 or someone's ethnicity or background carnally speaking when we're not and it's unfortunate

01:37:16.830 --> 01:37:22.750
 that ideology for a lot of people is so tightly coupled with how they look and with their ethnic

01:37:22.750 --> 01:37:29.820
 background but we are attacking an ideology here on this stream that is the main focus and even

01:37:29.820 --> 01:37:35.310
 amongst that group who hold to that ideology you heard a further distinction made between

01:37:35.310 --> 01:37:42.060
 the Orthodox Jews and the subset of them who read the Talmud and your average Jew who might believe

01:37:42.060 --> 01:37:47.560
 in this some aspects of this false religion but they're not necessarily reprobate they could still

01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:54.970
 get saved so there is even differences amongst the spiritual when you talk about the spiritual

01:37:54.970 --> 01:37:59.590
 ideology of false religion of Judaism as I just thought that was important because you know I

01:37:59.590 --> 01:38:03.020
 think a lot of people the reason why they get so offended about this is because they think oh

01:38:03.020 --> 01:38:10.240
 you must be a racist it's like I'm not talking about a race at all and even amongst those who

01:38:10.240 --> 01:38:16.140
 claim that they believe in the religion the average joes out there who have never even

01:38:16.140 --> 01:38:21.970
 heard of a Talmud potentially hey I love them I want them to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ

01:38:21.970 --> 01:38:29.160
 I want them to be saved amen we got a we actually have a caller from Saint Antonio and he wants to

01:38:29.160 --> 01:38:36.150
 kind of talk to ask us some questions about you know addressing the Zionism issue we have David

01:38:36.150 --> 01:38:44.030
 on the line how's it going David? It's going good pastor I guess my question is how can I talk to my

01:38:44.030 --> 01:38:48.880
 old IFP like friends because especially in a church that has a pastor that's a super Zionist

01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:54.520
 like how can I talk with them and the pastor about like the subject of Zionism and how it's

01:38:54.520 --> 01:39:02.400
 a false religion and how we need to like repent of like reporting like physical Israel?

01:39:02.400 --> 01:39:09.350
 Yeah I mean that's definitely a difficult question I think a little bit just because

01:39:09.350 --> 01:39:15.090
 like me personally I wouldn't want to necessarily do anything that appears to be like attacking the

01:39:15.090 --> 01:39:22.670
 church or undermining the pastor's authority. But at the same time I think you know obviously when

01:39:22.670 --> 01:39:26.790
 presented with opportunities if someone asks you about it you know I don't think that we

01:39:26.790 --> 01:39:33.430
 necessarily have to shy away from what we believe. But you know I think in some of these cases it's

01:39:33.430 --> 01:39:39.540
 one of those things where you focus on the things that you agree on and you can you can be excited

01:39:39.540 --> 01:39:44.890
 about in the church and then when opportunities present themselves that you can maybe explain

01:39:44.890 --> 01:39:50.550
 what you believe. But I don't know that I would be actively pursuing changing their mind on that

01:39:50.550 --> 01:39:56.100
 issue while in a church that disagrees with it. I don't know what your thoughts are Pastor Anderson

01:39:56.100 --> 01:40:03.900
 on that. Yeah I mean if you're saying that the pastor is super Zionist then obviously you're

01:40:03.900 --> 01:40:09.360
 just going to be creating more problems and doing more harm than good by trying to go around and

01:40:09.360 --> 01:40:16.460
 convert the church members to the opposite of what the pastor's teaching. You know I mean if you if

01:40:16.460 --> 01:40:21.650
 you go to that church I'm assuming you go there because you believe it's the best church in your

01:40:21.650 --> 01:40:26.530
 area that's why you're going there. So if it's the best church in your area and they're wrong on this

01:40:26.530 --> 01:40:33.520
 one issue it's not worth sowing strife and sowing discord over this issue. As far as just how to

01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:40.330
 talk to Christian friends that are Zionists you know in another context because again if you're

01:40:40.330 --> 01:40:45.700
 at this church and and the pastor's really strong on this and whatever and he's really opinionated

01:40:45.700 --> 01:40:50.030
 about it you need to just leave it alone. But as far as obviously the rest of us that are just out

01:40:50.030 --> 01:40:57.450
 talking to to our Christian friends at work school neighborhood whatever or at a church that isn't

01:40:57.450 --> 01:41:03.880
 necessarily married to a Zionist doctrine. I mean it's really easy to prove this from the Bible.

01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:11.030
 It's really easy. You flip over to Philippians chapter three you know you flip over to Galatians

01:41:11.030 --> 01:41:17.040
 three Galatians chapter four and I mean take your pick. I mean there's so many scriptures.

01:41:17.040 --> 01:41:25.520
 You can grab any of these new IFB sermons on this subject and get so much ammo but I mean

01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:30.950
 if I showed someone Philippians three Galatians three Galatians four and they're still not getting

01:41:30.950 --> 01:41:35.780
 it you know then at that point I would probably just think well this person doesn't really care

01:41:35.780 --> 01:41:40.980
 about truth because it's so clear it's so obvious. Yeah I think Galatians three is probably my

01:41:40.980 --> 01:41:46.690
 favorite personally just because it kind of deals with the Abraham issue and the Genesis 12 issue

01:41:47.240 --> 01:41:54.210
 and also just the end of Romans 2 I think is kind of an important distinction that the Bible's

01:41:54.210 --> 01:42:02.600
 making between the physical Jew and the spiritual Jew and so you know I think just be like hey

01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:09.440
 here's marching to Zion you know that's the best way to convert somebody. Romans 9 yeah yeah you

01:42:09.440 --> 01:42:17.170
 know the marching to Zion films, Romans chapter 9 because Romans 9 10 and 11 are like a trilogy

01:42:17.170 --> 01:42:23.030
 and I mean if you read through Romans 10 9 10 and 11 I mean there's there's so many great verses

01:42:23.030 --> 01:42:27.930
 there. I just think for someone that's new to this doctrine Romans 9 is a little harder for them

01:42:27.930 --> 01:42:33.640
 so I like your original suggestions like Philippians 3 or Galatians 3 to start. Yeah I mean if you're

01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:39.910
 looking for just a quick punchy verse I mean to me Philippians 3 is just Philippians 3 what is

01:42:39.910 --> 01:42:45.300
 it verses 3 and 4 or whatever it is I mean it's just Philippians 3 3 I mean it's just bam there

01:42:45.300 --> 01:42:52.240
 it is I also like in moments 2 the book of Acts in the book of Acts when the apostle Paul says like

01:42:52.240 --> 01:42:58.590
 you've judged yourselves unworthy of everlasting life like that's a that's a group of people that

01:42:58.590 --> 01:43:03.530
 no one's going to question whether or not they're Jews but but we see like they're not going to get

01:43:03.530 --> 01:43:09.880
 saved they're not God's chosen people I mean heck John's chapter 6 it's a great passage where

01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:15.990
 where Jesus is like explaining how they're not really the children of God I mean I think that

01:43:15.990 --> 01:43:23.300
 there's a lot of passages or is it John 8 it's like basically the gospel of John yeah the the

01:43:23.300 --> 01:43:28.830
 gospel of John is is really strong on this obviously it's it's John chapter 8 that you're

01:43:28.830 --> 01:43:34.580
 referring to yeah I was miss miss spoke about that yeah but I mean hey John 6 is a great chapter too

01:43:34.580 --> 01:43:44.130
 but you know John 8 is greglin and um Romans 11 verse 7 you know just goes to show that like

01:43:44.130 --> 01:43:49.520
 Israel and the elect yeah are not the same group no that's a good I mean that's a good one I mean

01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:54.050
 you could go to all the statements that Jesus I mean I mean you could go to John the Baptist

01:43:54.050 --> 01:43:58.790
 and Mark chapter or excuse me Matthew chapter 3 right at the beginning of the new testament the

01:43:58.790 --> 01:44:04.940
 first sermon anybody preaches in the new testament Matthew chapter 3 and he's saying think not to say

01:44:04.940 --> 01:44:10.350
 within yourselves we have Abraham to our father you know I say unto you that God's able of these

01:44:10.350 --> 01:44:16.250
 stones to raise up children unto Abraham I mean it's just it's on every page I want to go to my

01:44:16.250 --> 01:44:19.570
 Twitter real quick while we're doing this we have another caller too that I want to get to but

01:44:19.570 --> 01:44:24.970
 I want to see if you can put my Twitter because I did a poll and then and then someone asked a

01:44:24.970 --> 01:44:29.080
 question and I kind of want to talk about this since we're bringing this subject up but I just

01:44:29.080 --> 01:44:36.260
 kind of put a poll obviously this is probably like our echo chamber or whatever but your ex

01:44:36.260 --> 01:44:43.920
 page yeah may be slanted one way on this issue well you know just scroll down just a hair oh

01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:49.120
 you know you probably have to be logged in well first thing that shows up pedophile faggot you're

01:44:49.120 --> 01:44:53.230
 gonna have to be logged in okay sorry because if you're not logged in you're gonna see my old

01:44:53.230 --> 01:44:59.630
 posts yeah this is where russian the same word for pedophile is the same word for faggot so it

01:44:59.630 --> 01:45:05.390
 just says like you know if you put this in google translate it says in russian pedophile pedophile

01:45:05.390 --> 01:45:11.910
 so it's just it's interesting how that word's the exact same word in russian but okay well

01:45:11.910 --> 01:45:18.550
 pastor anderson i think before like right before that caller from san antonio it seemed like you

01:45:18.550 --> 01:45:22.870
 were about ready to say something do you remember what it was or is it too late did it did it leave

01:45:22.870 --> 01:45:32.120
 you okay never mind sorry sorry i'm not sure if they can pull this up or not but i just wanted

01:45:32.120 --> 01:45:39.120
 to give you a chance to say okay so the the poll i had a poll and it was basically what does the

01:45:39.120 --> 01:45:46.740
 bible say about jews and in the poll um it basically gave four answers they're god-chosen people

01:45:46.740 --> 01:45:51.800
 they're god-chosen people teaches zionism or the synagogue of satan the replacement theology

01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:58.060
 or i don't know but they suck and then our greatest ally and and really it's a it's pretty

01:45:58.060 --> 01:46:05.780
 heavily favored uh poll here it looks like 91.5 percent currently are on synagogue of satan seven

01:46:05.780 --> 01:46:10.390
 percent for i don't know one percent for our greatest ally no one picked god's chosen people so

01:46:10.390 --> 01:46:17.390
 i guess our audience is uh kind of not accepting zion it looks like zionism is dying okay there's

01:46:17.390 --> 01:46:21.260
 my answer according to that poll but there's there was someone asked a question on this and

01:46:21.260 --> 01:46:29.300
 they said i hate the term quote replacement theology because it is just one continuous gospel

01:46:29.300 --> 01:46:35.830
 and they weren't replaced just cut off and and i think that would be a good you know some some

01:46:35.830 --> 01:46:42.070
 response to kind of uh talk about here for a second and my i did reply i just said well doesn't

01:46:42.070 --> 01:46:49.520
 the spiritual nation of the new testament replace the physical nation and also the old

01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:54.470
 testament is replaced with the new the spirit reduce replaced with replaces the physical jew

01:46:54.470 --> 01:47:01.720
 um i personally have nothing against the term replacement theology i think that it um

01:47:02.790 --> 01:47:09.540
 describes in a certain sense what did happen because i don't believe there's still a physical

01:47:09.540 --> 01:47:14.500
 nation anymore i think that with the new testament there's only a spiritual nation and

01:47:14.500 --> 01:47:21.290
 that for a lack of a better word it it replaced that physical nation how do you feel about this

01:47:21.290 --> 01:47:27.390
 term replacement theology pastor anderson well i absolutely love that term you know and the thing

01:47:27.390 --> 01:47:36.090
 is that i've sat down with reformed types and you know they really go deep on theology and everything

01:47:36.090 --> 01:47:42.280
 and they're like differentiating between covenant theology and replacement theology and like these

01:47:42.280 --> 01:47:47.610
 nuances and everything like that and when i've heard people who say that they don't believe in

01:47:47.610 --> 01:47:53.520
 replacement theology but they do believe in covenant theology explain to me the difference

01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:59.830
 to me i always walk away saying well both are right because the bible does teach both because

01:47:59.830 --> 01:48:05.280
 you have a clear verse that says the kingdom of god shall be taken from you and given to a

01:48:05.280 --> 01:48:10.170
 nation bringing forth the fruits there that's replacement you know it's just it's taken from

01:48:10.170 --> 01:48:16.820
 one and given to another they've been replaced but then you have romans chapter 11 talking about

01:48:16.820 --> 01:48:23.250
 basically the christ rejecting jews are kind of broken off of the olive tree and then the

01:48:23.250 --> 01:48:29.430
 believing gentiles are graphed into the olive tree so then that's kind of this idea that i think that

01:48:29.430 --> 01:48:36.330
 the commenter prefers he prefers to think of it as this kind of continuous olive tree certain branches

01:48:36.330 --> 01:48:42.490
 are broken off other branches are graphed in but it's kind of just one continuous stream and frankly

01:48:42.490 --> 01:48:49.290
 the bible teaches both because there's no difference between the two it's just two different ways of

01:48:49.290 --> 01:48:56.470
 explaining the reality two different parables two different explanations that arrive at the same

01:48:56.470 --> 01:49:02.310
 conclusion it used to be the physical nation of israel now it's spiritual nation made of all

01:49:02.310 --> 01:49:07.940
 believers some people though erroneously will think that nothing has changed with this regard

01:49:07.940 --> 01:49:12.090
 that oh well in the old testament was a spiritual nation also it was never a physical nation that's

01:49:12.090 --> 01:49:19.390
 just not true in the old testament the physical nation of israel was god's chosen people in that

01:49:19.390 --> 01:49:25.470
 sense there was a physical nation that he was dealing with in a special way whereas there isn't

01:49:25.470 --> 01:49:30.190
 now and that's one of the big differences between old testament and new testament and you also

01:49:30.190 --> 01:49:36.380
 bring up a great point about replacement that it's not even just that uh you know christians

01:49:36.380 --> 01:49:43.610
 have replaced israel but that it's also that the new testament has replaced the old testament

01:49:43.610 --> 01:49:48.560
 okay and again when we say that we're not talking about the the the text of the bible because

01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:55.170
 obviously we still believe and preach from the old testament scriptures okay but when we talk about

01:49:55.170 --> 01:50:02.350
 the new covenant replacing the old covenant the old testament the old covenant is no longer in

01:50:02.350 --> 01:50:09.210
 force it has been replaced by the new covenant and hebrews chapter 8 verse 13 makes that crystal

01:50:09.210 --> 01:50:14.940
 clear when it says and that he sayeth the new covenant he hath made the first old now that

01:50:14.940 --> 01:50:20.180
 which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away and of course covenant and testament are

01:50:20.180 --> 01:50:25.400
 synonymous they mean the exact same thing they're used interchangeably in the bible so the old

01:50:25.400 --> 01:50:31.420
 testament is no longer in effect it's been replaced by the new testament sometimes this

01:50:31.420 --> 01:50:38.190
 doctrine is called supercessionism you know they have these fancy words for it supercessionism

01:50:38.190 --> 01:50:45.170
 supercessionism you know or whatever but uh you know whatever the term but the bottom line is

01:50:45.170 --> 01:50:50.650
 that you know i will continue to use the term replacement theology i think is a great term

01:50:50.650 --> 01:50:56.600
 the thing that i like the most about it is is how it makes the other side's head explode

01:50:56.600 --> 01:51:05.540
 it's like saying donald trump or something well i like to embrace the terms that people use to

01:51:05.540 --> 01:51:12.240
 attack us you know if you think about it they were first called christians in the bible by other

01:51:12.240 --> 01:51:17.780
 people by outsiders you know they were called christians you know uh we've often been called

01:51:17.780 --> 01:51:24.060
 things or criticized for things and i like to just turn around and just own those things like

01:51:24.060 --> 01:51:29.460
 yeah you guys are easy believism yeah that's right it's easy to get saved it's simply believing

01:51:29.460 --> 01:51:36.310
 what about this amen what about the term elect were the physical israelites elect in the old

01:51:36.310 --> 01:51:42.420
 testament well i think it's just somewhere and somewhere that's what it says like they're not

01:51:42.420 --> 01:51:49.190
 all israel which are of israel and i think that's where the confusion comes in yeah you obviously

01:51:49.190 --> 01:51:56.210
 when it comes to there's an individual elect but then there's also just like an elect nation elect

01:51:56.210 --> 01:52:01.320
 just means chosen so yeah i agree with pastor shelly that yeah okay when it comes to their

01:52:01.320 --> 01:52:06.860
 personal salvation some are elect and some are not but when it comes to was the old testament

01:52:06.860 --> 01:52:12.870
 nation of israel elect absolutely because if they're the chosen people that's chosen and

01:52:12.870 --> 01:52:18.900
 elect are the same word right so if if you try to make chosen and elect be two different things

01:52:19.460 --> 01:52:24.310
 then you know that's an error right there because because chosen and elect are the same thing so

01:52:24.310 --> 01:52:28.120
 so if they're if they're the chosen people in the old testament if they're a chosen nation

01:52:28.120 --> 01:52:32.810
 if god chose abraham and isaac and jacob and chose this nation for whatever reason

01:52:32.810 --> 01:52:38.490
 then in that sense they're elect are they elect when it comes to their salvation obviously that's

01:52:38.490 --> 01:52:44.860
 an individual basis then it's an individual basis now but the difference is that in the old testament

01:52:44.860 --> 01:52:52.770
 you had a chosen nation that was a physical nation of israel whereas nowadays the chosen

01:52:52.770 --> 01:52:58.950
 nation is made up of the saved so basically nowadays you're if you're if you're elect in

01:52:58.950 --> 01:53:02.640
 the sense of being saved you're also elected in the sense of being part of the chosen nation

01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:08.290
 whereas in the old testament personal salvation and the corporate choosing of the nation were

01:53:08.290 --> 01:53:13.390
 two separate things now in the new testament they're the same thing hopefully that made sense

01:53:13.390 --> 01:53:20.100
 and i got that yeah i like i like the term replacement theology number one because i

01:53:20.100 --> 01:53:25.100
 think people know what we're talking about and another thing that i like about it is

01:53:25.100 --> 01:53:34.490
 it's accurate because in the old testament if i'm a gentile and i got saved then there's this

01:53:34.490 --> 01:53:42.430
 expectation to kind of join the nation of israel to get circumcised and be a part of this physical

01:53:42.430 --> 01:53:47.920
 nation to keep the Passover and to do the feast so even in the old testament it's not like gentiles

01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:52.540
 couldn't get saved or couldn't join themselves under the physical nation but there's this

01:53:52.540 --> 01:54:00.340
 expectation to serve god that comes with the physical nation itself and of course i'm ignoring

01:54:00.340 --> 01:54:05.890
 like the the diaspora of the Babylonian captivity or something but just generally speaking if you

01:54:05.890 --> 01:54:11.050
 wanted to serve god in the old testament whether you're jew or gentile you would join the nation

01:54:11.050 --> 01:54:16.670
 of israel and you'd get physically circumcised and you would observe the Passover whereas in the new

01:54:16.670 --> 01:54:24.770
 testament if i get saved i don't join a physical nation i'm already a part of the spiritual nation

01:54:24.770 --> 01:54:31.860
 and so we can see that the replacement in a sense in a context is about a physical nation

01:54:31.860 --> 01:54:38.430
 versus a spiritual nation and the place to serve god in the new testament is the local church

01:54:38.430 --> 01:54:44.520
 whereas in the old testament of course they they could worship afar but they had the temple they

01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:49.010
 had other locations they're supposed to go to jerusalem for certain feasts or certain

01:54:49.010 --> 01:54:55.110
 special holidays but now in the new testament we have a spiritual nation of all believers

01:54:55.110 --> 01:55:01.820
 and essentially we have the new testament church as the place of worship where we would go and

01:55:01.820 --> 01:55:07.880
 worship god together in the congregation and so i don't know how you could really get away from

01:55:07.880 --> 01:55:13.900
 the terminology of replacement there when it comes to the idea of the being grafted into the olive

01:55:13.900 --> 01:55:20.040
 tree i just look at that as being a part of the family of christ and that once you believe you're

01:55:20.040 --> 01:55:25.680
 of the seat of abraham and so yeah in that context there's no replacement it's not like

01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:31.900
 some jewish spot i have to take over or something like that what but there is something that was

01:55:31.900 --> 01:55:39.750
 replaced it is the old testament nation of israel with the spiritual nation and then there is the

01:55:39.750 --> 01:55:45.820
 old covenant which the promises that were made for that physical nation have been replaced with

01:55:45.820 --> 01:55:50.580
 the new promises of the new covenant which is a new testament it's better testament according

01:55:50.580 --> 01:55:55.800
 to the bible and some people believe in dual covenant theology and i think that replacement

01:55:55.800 --> 01:56:00.050
 theology makes it clear how we contrast we don't believe that the old testament is still effect

01:56:00.050 --> 01:56:07.440
 or going but it's been replaced by the new testament specifically and so i i love that term

01:56:07.440 --> 01:56:11.540
 do you like that term i think i think what i was trying to articulate earlier this andrew

01:56:11.540 --> 01:56:18.130
 sluter thing where the old covenant is like in abeyance but then it'll return back and during

01:56:18.130 --> 01:56:21.860
 the millennium or there'll be some kind of third covenant for the jews or something like that it's

01:56:21.860 --> 01:56:26.390
 total nonsense but i i totally agree with what you're saying and just to add the scripture that

01:56:26.390 --> 01:56:32.910
 popped into my mind in first peter chapter two in verse nine where it says but ye are a chosen

01:56:32.910 --> 01:56:38.310
 generation a royal priesthood and holy nation a peculiar people which should show forth the

01:56:38.310 --> 01:56:42.770
 praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light which in time past were

01:56:42.770 --> 01:56:46.430
 not a people but are now the people of god which had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy

01:56:46.430 --> 01:56:53.390
 so you have a group of people who were not regarded as chosen in the old testament but

01:56:53.390 --> 01:57:00.270
 in the new testament the only catalyst for that is to believe on the lord jesus christ that's one

01:57:00.270 --> 01:57:04.140
 of the many reasons why the new testament is better is that if you believe on the lord jesus

01:57:04.140 --> 01:57:09.430
 christ you're part of the spiritual nation whereas in the old testament to be part of that chosen

01:57:09.430 --> 01:57:15.430
 nation it was more than just believing i mean if you believe you're saved yeah but you had to get

01:57:15.430 --> 01:57:21.220
 circumcised you had to physically move there immigrate there and actually you know follow

01:57:21.220 --> 01:57:25.630
 those laws let's take another quick caller as we wrap up we have brother ajay on the line from

01:57:25.630 --> 01:57:35.210
 chicago and he wanted to ask a question about zionism as well ajay how's it going good you

01:57:35.210 --> 01:57:43.140
 guys hear me yes sir loud and clear all right so uh my question was uh i recently saw on the

01:57:43.140 --> 01:57:51.230
 internet a series of posts um like kind of people that are against zionism saying that the masoretic

01:57:51.230 --> 01:57:57.200
 text was corrupted by the jews and stuff and obviously i don't think that's correct i believe

01:57:57.200 --> 01:58:01.750
 the masoretic text is the preserved word of god and i kind of wanted to hear what you guys you

01:58:01.750 --> 01:58:07.670
 know have to say about that if there was any good resources that would defend the masoretic text and

01:58:07.670 --> 01:58:15.880
 you know the validity of those jewish conspiracies against the scriptures i think pastor anderson is

01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:19.510
 probably more of an expert on this issue than i am but you know from my understanding there's

01:58:19.510 --> 01:58:24.350
 not necessarily going to be corroborating evidence of the masoretic text that we can

01:58:24.350 --> 01:58:29.760
 just all just scientifically just say this is it i think it's it's kind of an argument from faith

01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:35.160
 in essence that you know there's this this argument between the hebrew text and the greek text

01:58:35.160 --> 01:58:42.250
 really goes back a long time ago i mean even with gerome uh when he was writing the bible in the

01:58:42.250 --> 01:58:48.450
 latin is arguing i think with origin and some other individuals on should we use the septuagint

01:58:48.450 --> 01:58:55.940
 or use the hebrew and so you know fast forward another 1700 years and we're still having this

01:58:55.940 --> 01:59:01.310
 particular argument i think that we have to rely on what the text says about the bible and a lot

01:59:01.310 --> 01:59:06.760
 of the bible's verses on preservation were in hebrew when we think about psalm 12 six and seven

01:59:06.760 --> 01:59:11.030
 we think about forever thy word is settled in heaven we think about isaiah

01:59:11.030 --> 01:59:17.840
 what is it isaiah 50 59 59 yeah when it talks about how the words are not going to depart out

01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:23.580
 of his mouth i mean these are hebrew texts that had those verses in them so you know to me it's

01:59:23.580 --> 01:59:27.890
 either you believe that or you don't jesus make reference to jot or tittle yeah jot or tittle

01:59:27.890 --> 01:59:31.630
 new testament that's a good point um to well be fulfilled i kind of i kind of recommended

01:59:31.630 --> 01:59:36.900
 to pastor anderson to preach a sermon on this subject like about the hebrew and the greek being

01:59:36.900 --> 01:59:41.610
 preserved specifically and all the internal evidences um i'm sure you have a lot of thoughts

01:59:41.610 --> 01:59:47.910
 there what are kind of your opinions on this subject yeah i mean first of all this isn't even

01:59:47.910 --> 01:59:54.080
 really a serious debate at all because it's already so settled and if you walk into any book store in

01:59:54.080 --> 02:00:00.990
 america and grab any english bible off the shelf 100 percent of them are translating from the

02:00:00.990 --> 02:00:05.600
 masoretic hebrew text in the old testament it's just that simple because you know there's nothing

02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:10.590
 special about the masoretic hebrew that's just it's just the hebrew text that's the hebrew bible

02:00:10.590 --> 02:00:15.530
 so people who are saying that the hebrew text is corrupt are saying that we should instead be

02:00:15.530 --> 02:00:23.320
 using the greek septuagint okay and the thing about that is that like i said no english bible

02:00:23.320 --> 02:00:31.220
 is using the greek septuagint as its old testament basis because it's pretty obvious and clear to

02:00:31.220 --> 02:00:37.300
 everyone who actually knows what they're talking about that the septuagint is inferior to the hebrew

02:00:37.300 --> 02:00:45.000
 bible in every way and so you know again you get some bozos on the internet bringing up this debate

02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:50.310
 or talking about this but amongst people that are serious you know you're not really going to find

02:00:50.310 --> 02:00:56.280
 this being up for debate you know the modern versions unfortunately will think that the hebrew

02:00:56.280 --> 02:01:02.790
 text is corrupt in certain places and and maybe like correct it here and there from the greek

02:01:02.790 --> 02:01:08.830
 septuagint but and of course they're wrong to do so because obviously the hebrew text has been

02:01:08.830 --> 02:01:18.150
 preserved by god and kept pure in every generation but again you know actually going all the way over

02:01:18.150 --> 02:01:24.580
 to the greek septuagint as your old testament text is just something that virtually no one wants to do

02:01:24.580 --> 02:01:30.650
 that actually cares about and reads the bible because it's it's an absurd proposition uh now

02:01:30.650 --> 02:01:36.970
 and as far as going back to the debate it was it was between jerome and augustin augustin augustin

02:01:36.970 --> 02:01:46.220
 i'm sorry i misspoke yeah so augustin did believe that the septuagint should be the basis for our

02:01:46.220 --> 02:01:52.260
 old testament and jerome was pushing for the original hebrew jerome won the argument and the

02:01:52.260 --> 02:01:58.990
 latin vulgate ended up being translated from the original hebrew as far as it being corrupted by

02:01:58.990 --> 02:02:04.390
 jews or something that it's just a it's just a dumb silly talking point of bozos on the internet

02:02:04.390 --> 02:02:11.160
 they're probably also flat earth or whatever it's just it's kind of just a dumb thing it's not really

02:02:11.160 --> 02:02:15.420
 i'm serious it's just not really a serious thing it's not even and again but as but as far as the

02:02:15.420 --> 02:02:21.510
 evidence that they're wrong christ said one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law to

02:02:21.510 --> 02:02:28.680
 all be fulfilled and that is a reference to the hebrew text because the jot is referring to the

02:02:28.680 --> 02:02:33.850
 letter yod which is one of the letters of the hebrew alphabet it's the smallest letter of the hebrew

02:02:33.850 --> 02:02:40.400
 alphabet as far as physically how much room it takes up on the page and then the tittle is

02:02:40.400 --> 02:02:46.270
 literally the the the greek word underlying our english word tittle there in the bible it literally

02:02:46.270 --> 02:02:53.880
 means horn like h-o-r-n and it's basically the distinguishing marks that go on hebrew letters

02:02:53.880 --> 02:03:00.950
 to differentiate two similar letters from one another so they have this little uh kareya or horn

02:03:00.950 --> 02:03:07.140
 or tittle that differentiates one letter from another so jesus is clearly talking about the

02:03:07.140 --> 02:03:16.360
 preservation of the hebrew text and like i said if all christians virtually that are actually saved

02:03:16.360 --> 02:03:23.270
 and actually preaching the gospel for the last many centuries or even millennia have all been

02:03:23.270 --> 02:03:28.590
 using the hebrew text in the old testament and then we're just going to switch now in 2024 because

02:03:28.590 --> 02:03:34.590
 some guy on the internet says there's a jewish conspiracy to corrupt it okay because who who

02:03:34.590 --> 02:03:44.370
 has used the septuagint over the last few millennia you know a bunch of false teaching corrupt uh

02:03:44.370 --> 02:03:50.260
 churches and they're not english speaking so you know it's it's not an english bible but you know

02:03:50.260 --> 02:03:57.120
 yeah the the greek orthodox or something you know but when it comes to actual saved evangelicals

02:03:57.120 --> 02:04:05.470
 baptists the whole history of america everybody's been reading and preaching from and you know being

02:04:05.470 --> 02:04:10.980
 blessed by the hebrew old testament translated into english in the form of our king james bible

02:04:10.980 --> 02:04:16.730
 and so you know it's it's a silly argument it doesn't mean anybody can just say whatever

02:04:16.730 --> 02:04:22.060
 they want and just oh yeah well you know it's actually the greek you know i could just say

02:04:22.060 --> 02:04:28.370
 well no it's it's it's the ethiopic it's the only right one i know the hebrew is bad it's

02:04:28.370 --> 02:04:32.520
 got to be latin you can just make things up but at the end of the day we all know the bible was

02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:37.320
 originally written in hebrew in the old testament greek in the new testament and it's been

02:04:37.320 --> 02:04:41.890
 providentially preserved and kept pure in all ages it's that simple it's interesting how you

02:04:41.890 --> 02:04:50.310
 bring up there are some i guess isolated places in the old testament where they appeal to the

02:04:50.310 --> 02:04:56.890
 septuagint and it's kind of funny to me because the critical text people want to reject first

02:04:56.890 --> 02:05:03.750
 john 5 7 supposedly on the grounds that there is insufficient evidence for it in the greek but then

02:05:03.750 --> 02:05:09.840
 their bibles will like completely leave the hebrew in some places unless i'm wrong about that pastor

02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:15.270
 inderson if you want to clarify but you're right about that yeah it appears that they

02:05:15.270 --> 02:05:23.010
 in the old testament in some areas will appeal to the septuagint rather than the hebrew well

02:05:23.010 --> 02:05:29.770
 and it makes absolutely no sense to say that the to say that the translation is superior to the

02:05:29.770 --> 02:05:38.740
 original because you know the greek septuagint is translated from the hebrew bible and what you'd

02:05:38.740 --> 02:05:44.080
 have to believe is you'd have to believe that basically the real hebrew bible has ceased to

02:05:44.080 --> 02:05:52.050
 exist and that all we have is just a corrupt hebrew bible but that the greek translation

02:05:52.050 --> 02:06:00.720
 from a hebrew text that no longer exists is where god has preserved his word and funny how virtually

02:06:00.720 --> 02:06:07.030
 the only people who are using it are unsaved people yeah that is like you'd really have to

02:06:07.030 --> 02:06:14.770
 believe some wild things in order to believe that god preserved the tradition but he didn't preserve

02:06:14.770 --> 02:06:22.700
 the original and it's a translation that you know state people don't use yeah and my whole point was

02:06:22.700 --> 02:06:28.980
 my whole point was if you if you need evidence in the original languages in the greek and hebrew

02:06:28.980 --> 02:06:34.030
 if you need evidence for first john 5 7 in the greek then why do you also accept readings that

02:06:34.030 --> 02:06:37.660
 totally depart from the original language in the old testament that was kind of my thing but yeah

02:06:37.660 --> 02:06:46.000
 i that's very uh interesting that you bring up well it's a good question it's exactly what

02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:53.340
 they're doing you know they are being hypocrites and selectively deciding you know when they're

02:06:53.340 --> 02:06:57.860
 going to go with the majority and when they're going to go with minority readings it's a good

02:06:57.860 --> 02:07:02.680
 question and you know some of these battles are kind of like an every generation battle it seems

02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:07.500
 like like i said i kind of mentioned back how in the past there's been a critical text fight

02:07:07.500 --> 02:07:12.880
 and it just keeps going and hopefully even though i don't know if it'll ever go away completely

02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:17.930
 at least maybe we can kind of diminish the enemy on these issues you know whether it be

02:07:17.930 --> 02:07:26.270
 which text to use or or zionism and i personally think the zionism is is really um in a bad place

02:07:26.270 --> 02:07:31.250
 they're up against the ropes i think that the more and more that we talk about these things make

02:07:31.250 --> 02:07:35.880
 documentaries but even just the normies are starting to kind of wake up and i want to play

02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:41.490
 one more clip here just because i kind of find it funny but at charlie kirk one of his events

02:07:41.490 --> 02:07:48.660
 somebody just came up and asked him some questions but i just thought that this was a really funny

02:07:48.660 --> 02:07:53.350
 troll because here's the thing if you if you mention jews or anti-semitism or any of this

02:07:53.350 --> 02:07:58.920
 kind of stuff um or question anything charlie kirk will just throw you out of his event so you

02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:03.960
 have to kind of you kind of have to be coy but it's kind of funny how even even when they're

02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:09.800
 throwing people out people like this sneak in there and and see if you can kind of catch the uh i'll

02:08:09.800 --> 02:08:13.570
 ask you ben after this see if you can kind of catch what this guy was getting at what a racist

02:08:13.570 --> 02:08:19.420
 question that was quick and fun lighthearted question for you charlie uh so i know you gave

02:08:19.420 --> 02:08:24.660
 a speech in jerusalem early this year yes i did uh were there any like awesome fun dance parties

02:08:24.660 --> 02:08:28.150
 that you guys had afterwards because i heard that israelis are some of the best dancers in the world

02:08:28.150 --> 02:08:31.810
 i mean if you guys don't believe me just google dancing israelis it's insane

02:08:33.060 --> 02:08:38.020
 would you agree or disagree with that israel is a beautiful country a great country too

02:08:38.020 --> 02:08:41.690
 yes they're our greatest ally correct thanks for being here tonight next question

02:08:41.690 --> 02:08:47.790
 thank you for being here tonight next question that's awesome yeah i got that i think you

02:08:47.790 --> 02:08:54.570
 should i think you should what should we do then uh i mean i don't know you tell me google dancing

02:08:54.570 --> 02:09:00.120
 oh that's right yeah yeah yeah what will that lead me to the dancing israelis uh could lead

02:09:00.120 --> 02:09:06.560
 you down a very interesting rabbit hole without question i feel like we have an episode coming up

02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:12.000
 that's going to talk about this september the 10th mark your calendars as we may actually

02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:17.610
 go down the rabbit hole ourselves here on the baptist bias and talk about dancing israelis

02:09:17.610 --> 02:09:23.880
 for a little while in the israeli connection in 9 11 well it well i'm excited about our show because

02:09:23.880 --> 02:09:30.670
 we actually have a special guest that's going to be coming on uh richard gage the he was originally

02:09:30.670 --> 02:09:35.280
 with the architects and engineers group i think he spun off and has his own group now but um

02:09:35.280 --> 02:09:40.760
 somebody has been instrumental in 9 11 and some of the stuff that's going on there but 9 11 is

02:09:40.760 --> 02:09:46.860
 still relevant in the context of you know zionism and what's going on and so i think it'll be a fun

02:09:46.860 --> 02:09:51.630
 show yeah i don't know that you'll catch him saying the jews did 9 11 or anything but he'll

02:09:51.630 --> 02:09:58.860
 definitely give you a perspective on it from an architectural side and and kind of talk about that

02:09:58.860 --> 02:10:05.300
 aspect so it'll be fun have you ever uh googled dancing israelis pastor anderson

02:10:05.300 --> 02:10:07.600
 yeah i mean i've i've seen that's old school man

02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:14.650
 he's been there done that oh adl already has an article about this so

02:10:14.650 --> 02:10:21.080
 they were there to film now i like your clip there's some clip of you that got clipped out

02:10:21.080 --> 02:10:27.220
 where some guy visits your church and he's like arguing with you about like war or something like

02:10:27.220 --> 02:10:32.290
 that and you're like i thought the lord brought you here about 9/11 do you remember what i'm talking

02:10:32.290 --> 02:10:39.010
 about somebody in the crowd was offended at your sermon about chris kyle the american sniper because

02:10:39.010 --> 02:10:44.750
 you were preaching against him for killing people in the middle east and he got mad about it and

02:10:44.750 --> 02:10:50.570
 then 9/11 was brought up and he said 9/11 was the justification to go to iraq and then you kind of

02:10:51.440 --> 02:10:58.890
 red pill you know we're talking about oh yeah absolutely i basically i'm preaching and this

02:10:58.890 --> 02:11:05.070
 guy kind of starts to like you know heckle me from the crowd or argue with me and and i just

02:11:05.070 --> 02:11:10.540
 decided to kind of go back and forth with the guy and and just kind of just have a civil discussion

02:11:10.540 --> 02:11:17.110
 with the guy during the sermon so i kind of just i'm just kind of interacting with the guy and you

02:11:17.110 --> 02:11:22.360
 know it ended up uh amicably like i ended up talking to the guy after the service and he was

02:11:22.360 --> 02:11:27.130
 like agreeing with me and stuff like so he kind of he kind of ended up coming over to my side actually

02:11:27.130 --> 02:11:31.660
 that's good even though he kind of like got upset during the sermon and like interrupted the sermon

02:11:31.660 --> 02:11:37.290
 and everything i kind of just chose to turn it into a teaching moment and and and yeah like i

02:11:37.290 --> 02:11:43.490
 said the guy the guy ended up being cool afterward and and actually uh coming over to my side but at

02:11:43.490 --> 02:11:49.760
 one point the the the highlight was when i asked and and we back then we had a camera in the back

02:11:49.760 --> 02:11:54.680
 that could view like the entire crowd and i'm like how many people in here believe the official

02:11:54.680 --> 02:12:00.570
 version on 9/11 yeah i remember that no one answered and then i'm like how many people

02:12:00.570 --> 02:12:08.100
 believe that 9/11 was an inside job and literally just like 200 200 hands go up and i'm just like

02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:13.500
 hey look around man you know and i i think i heard some guy shout like wake up or something

02:12:13.500 --> 02:12:18.790
 some somebody got a little rambunctious in the crowd there that's funny yeah so it was it was

02:12:18.790 --> 02:12:25.210
 just kind of a famous little 10 20 second clip for a while just showing the raise of hands

02:12:25.210 --> 02:12:31.680
 yeah it was going on i mean that was funny that would be we should we should do that sample poll

02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:38.880
 at greg lox church i'd be interested to see what the response is israelis or what yeah how many

02:12:38.880 --> 02:12:43.490
 here believe the official story of 9/11 that would be a funny thing to do in his church just to see

02:12:43.490 --> 02:12:49.320
 what he what would happen but now thank you so much for coming on the show i think uh i think

02:12:49.320 --> 02:12:54.900
 we've made it clear zionism's not going the right direction and uh that's a good thing it's a good

02:12:54.900 --> 02:12:59.530
 thing that the truth is rising and even more normal people i think that a lot of christians

02:12:59.530 --> 02:13:03.410
 and fundamental baptists need to realize that their congregations a lot of these younger people

02:13:03.410 --> 02:13:09.270
 they're not they're not really falling for the 1948 anymore and we need to look to the bible for

02:13:09.270 --> 02:13:14.360
 what we believe on these issues before we sign off is there anything you want to plug uh what's

02:13:14.360 --> 02:13:19.800
 your what's your rumble or how do they find your website pastor i don't even know anymore man i

02:13:19.800 --> 02:13:24.950
 can't even find my own preaching anymore but no obviously if you go to rumble you can type in

02:13:24.950 --> 02:13:30.240
 pastor stephen anderson faithful word baptist church it all comes up on rumble but the thing

02:13:30.240 --> 02:13:35.530
 that i would like to plug the most is probably just our missions conference in november you know

02:13:35.530 --> 02:13:41.950
 we got a great missions conference coming up um november six through tenth and uh we're gonna

02:13:41.950 --> 02:13:46.380
 have uh in fact you're gonna be there pastor schille you're gonna be preaching on friday night

02:13:46.380 --> 02:13:53.810
 and uh you know i mean at the end of the day we're all about winning people to christ you know and we

02:13:53.810 --> 02:13:57.440
 we just want to get people saved we just want to preach the gospel of jesus christ all over the

02:13:57.440 --> 02:14:04.170
 world and here in america and you know we want to get everybody saved whether they're jews muslims

02:14:04.170 --> 02:14:10.090
 hindus atheists whatever want to get them saved we love people we love the lost and you know the

02:14:10.090 --> 02:14:14.770
 missions conference i think is a really fun conference it's a lot of really uplifting

02:14:14.770 --> 02:14:20.940
 edifying preaching it's really motivating to get out and and and want to get people saved afterward

02:14:20.940 --> 02:14:27.730
 and so yeah just i want to plug one other thing for you because you're coming to houston friday

02:14:27.730 --> 02:14:37.670
 you're preaching at pure words baptist church this friday what is this day august 23rd august 23rd

02:14:37.670 --> 02:14:44.250
 yeah 7 p.m pure words baptist church they're actually moving their midweek service to friday

02:14:44.250 --> 02:14:48.300
 so instead of having it on thursday like they normally do we're just gonna move it to friday

02:14:48.300 --> 02:14:51.870
 pastor anderson is going to be coming and preaching and this is a great opportunity to visit

02:14:51.870 --> 02:14:57.130
 pure words baptist church september 1st i'm going to be ordaining brother salvador alvarez as the

02:14:57.130 --> 02:15:03.020
 pastor of pure words and letting go and allowing them to be independent it'll still be pure words

02:15:03.020 --> 02:15:09.060
 baptist church but i'll just no longer be the pastor it'll be pastor salvador alvarez and

02:15:09.060 --> 02:15:13.050
 here's a great opportunity to hear pastor anderson preach in houston so if you're

02:15:13.050 --> 02:15:18.890
 anywhere in texas houston go check it out pure words baptist church the address is 14567

02:15:18.890 --> 02:15:25.710
 main street houston proper so we'd love for you to come out there and visit again 14567 main street

02:15:25.710 --> 02:15:30.890
 you can go to pure words baptist.com and you can check that out as well um is there anything you

02:15:30.890 --> 02:15:37.230
 wanted to plug ben before we sign off no all i want to say is that the inspiration for tonight's

02:15:37.230 --> 02:15:44.540
 show was simply that there seems to be a cultural shift on this issue amongst some of these political

02:15:44.540 --> 02:15:50.260
 personalities we noticed it tucker carlson has been asking questions lately we heard the clips

02:15:50.260 --> 02:15:57.020
 from kandace owens and so it sparked the question is zionism dying i think it'll always be around

02:15:57.020 --> 02:16:01.710
 going into the end times but i do think a growing number of these political people and some of these

02:16:01.710 --> 02:16:07.520
 influencers are beginning to notice some things and that's a good thing as far as our fundamental

02:16:07.520 --> 02:16:15.580
 baptist brethren who i love i'm just curious how many generations of jews have to die and go to

02:16:15.580 --> 02:16:20.930
 hell before they also start to ask some questions before they also start to realize that this

02:16:20.930 --> 02:16:27.420
 narrative that they came to back to the land and unbelief and would one day be turned to belief

02:16:27.420 --> 02:16:33.530
 again is dubious at best that's what i'm trying to figure out here and hopefully they will

02:16:33.530 --> 02:16:39.220
 repent and get this thing right soon but regardless i think it was an interesting

02:16:39.220 --> 02:16:44.900
 discussion tonight we talked about the theological aspect we talked about the cultural aspect

02:16:44.900 --> 02:16:50.450
 and i enjoyed hearing your perspective pastor shelley and and also pastor anderson's perspective

02:16:50.450 --> 02:16:55.760
 as well on this you guys bring an educated uh background and a lot of knowledge on the subject

02:16:55.760 --> 02:17:00.540
 matter well thanks again so much to our special guest pastor anderson for coming on the show

02:17:00.540 --> 02:17:06.370
 thanks ben for doing our daniel series and everything there also again if you'd like one

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02:17:35.210 --> 02:17:41.750
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02:17:41.750 --> 02:17:47.570
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02:18:24.920 --> 02:18:30.110
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