The truth about Zionism appears to have finally leaked out of the underground tunnels of legacy
media.
I can't believe it was under our nose this entire time.
Many influencers have begun to question if our number one ally is really, actually our
friend.
One of them is Candace Owens, who's clearly left the plantation going scorched earth like
Django One Chain, but will she be able to continue to fight or repeatedly fall on the
ground like Rodney King?
Viral moments like #BandTheADL have taken Twitter by storm, but it appears Elon has
kind of put the brakes on rising anti-Semitism by restricting phrases like "the synagogue
of Satan."
Even with increasing censorship, the noticing continues about who owns the banks, colleges,
the Federal Reserve, the Presidential Cabinet, NGOs, Hollywood, social media companies, the
pharmaceutical industry, political lobby efforts, the Libs of TikTok account, the Babylon Bee,
the Daily Wire, Wall Street, well, pretty much everything you can think of.
And they all wear a tiny little hat on their head.
I guess it's hard not to notice these people when they're breathing in so much free air
with that giant schnoz on their face, or the pigtails dangling on their head,
or the blasphemy against Jesus Christ. Why is it that Christians think these
people are God's chosen again? Oh yeah, Greg Locke, because he said so.
The apostle who literally ran off with the secretary.
I forgot about that chapter in the Book of Acts. I must have missed it somewhere.
Well, I guess if you're one of those skeptics who doesn't want to murder Palestinian babies,
someone who doesn't spit when you hear the name of Jesus Christ, someone
who actually loves free speech, fairness, truth, the New Testament,
you appear to be someone who's actually been radicalized with the Baptist bias.
Thanks for tuning in to the Baptist bias. It's season four. We've made it.
And it seems like the Jews might own everything. Do they own the Baptist bias, Ben?
Seemingly. They own the platform we're on, I think, actually. But, you know, let's not
focus on that too much. Well, you know, of course, we had a great
in between our series, the Daniel series, where it was 12 episodes with a bonus 13th, where we
talked, or we had Pastor Anderson talk about a summary, rightly dividing the book of Daniel.
And it got a lot of good feedback. I think a lot of people enjoyed that series,
even considering the fact of it was about five or six years old, but it seemed fresh.
And I really appreciate all the work you did there on this series, Ben. It really turned out nicely,
but it was definitely a bear. A lot of hours had to go into that thing. Was it more than you thought
when you started working on it? Yeah. Initially, I was thinking like, "Ah, this should be easy."
It's a sermon. You slap some B-roll on there. You slap some Bible screens on there. You're good to
go. And then you realize, "Hold on a second. There's 13 hours to this." That's a lot. This
is a bigger project than I thought. So a bigger undertaking than I anticipated, but I'm glad it's
finished. Finally, years in the making. You mentioned number of years old now. 2018 is
when the sermons were recorded, but they were evergreen messages. And I think if you go through
the series yourself, you'll notice that evergreen messages with actual modern B-roll, some modern
articles and things like that happening in the last few years, like even 2023, 2024. And yet
they were still relevant to what Pastor Anderson was saying, just goes to show you that the Bible
is always relevant. Well, and thank you to everyone who donated that project and also to Paul
Wittenberger for filming it and giving it to us so we could work on that. And then, of course,
to the star of the show, Pastor Anderson, which we're actually graced with his presence again
this evening. Thank you, Pastor Anderson, for coming on the show. How's it going? I don't know
if we... You might have been cut off there. You want to say that again? It's great to be here.
Thanks for having me on. There we go. All right, perfect. That's the intro we were waiting for.
Yeah, we were nervous. Should not get the show going without that. Well, thanks again for coming
on here. And how did you feel about the Daniel series? Yeah, I loved it. I was really impressed
by Ben's work. And I really appreciate him and you, of course, making this a reality after all
these years. I put a lot of thought into the series as far as the study that went into it.
I really wanted it to be up there with the Revelation series as far as content.
And so I put a lot of work into the messages. And so I'm glad that they're now getting a wider
audience, just because that's what I was hoping for whenever I preached those sermons. So better
late than never, huh? Was there an episode that you thought like this is the one that was maybe
most excited to get out there or your favorite of the series? Probably episodes seven and eight,
I believe, were the ones that were the most important. But really, I think that the key
sermon is the sermon "Rightly Dividing the Book of Daniel" that I preached at Verity Baptist Church
in Sacramento, that 13th episode. I think that is kind of the key to everything. And I think that
it's important that this series come out right now because I know a lot of people are going over to
partial preterist views or full preterist views of End Times. And I feel like this series just
absolutely destroys preterism. And obviously there's some truth to preterism because all
lies have some truth mixed in. But the Daniels series ends up showing people the errors of
preterism and helps us to stay strong on our futurist beliefs about the End Times.
When it comes to Chapter 11, it seems like that was kind of a big chapter. Also maybe the ending of Chapter 9,
those kind of have some significance when it comes to maybe dismantling a little bit of the
preterist views. What about from your perspective, Ben, was there kind of an episode that you thought
you enjoyed more than the others or was more influential to you?
Chapter 11, without question, because I really had no idea what chapter 11 was about at all,
reading through it, especially the first time I was lost, and Pastor Itterson, you were able to
put the pieces together for me, especially on some of the, kind of the beginning portion is what I
should say there, the beginning half of that chapter that really deals with the Grecian empire
getting split into those four separate kingdoms and the near future application to go along with
that. I didn't know a lot of that history so that was very helpful. And then of course when you end
up talking about Antiochus Epiphanes, yeah a lot of that stuff was fulfilled with him but when you
study the character, I guess I should say the personality of Antiochus Epiphanes, it gives you
some insight into who the Antichrist will be in the end times, of course due to the fact that
there is some dual fulfillment going on there. So overall I would say chapter 11 for me personally
because I learned so much about it, it just unlocked the chapter for me.
You know one thing that I don't know if we necessarily have talked about but I'm just
kind of curious when it comes to the idea of Zionism specifically, it seems like when we talk
about end times and just kind of views, a lot of people like to go to the book of Daniel but I'm
kind of just curious, do you feel like there's a lot of people like Zionists that use the book of
Daniel to kind of support or bolster their view and supporting end times Israel, Pastor Anderson?
Yeah, absolutely. I think that just in general, Zionists love to go to the Old Testament
because they're basically going to scriptures that were written back when the Jews were God's
chosen people, back when Israel was that chosen nation and so of course they love to take those
out of context and anachronistically apply them to today instead of being in the New Testament
where we see over and over again that the kingdom of God has been taken from them and given to a
nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And of course that new spiritual nation that replaces
Israel is one that's made up of believers on the Lord Jesus Christ from all nations,
kindreds, families, tongues. It's got nothing to do with race or ethnicity or geography.
The holy nation, the chosen generation, the royal priesthood in the New Testament,
is just made up of all Christians, made up of all believers. And so in order to preach Zionism,
you're going to have to spend a ton of time in the Old Testament because that's where you're
going to get all your material because you can take it out of context and misapply it by bringing
it into today instead of actually understanding it in its context back then. The only New Testament
scripture that you'll typically hear in a Zionist sermon is Romans chapter 11. They'll typically
bombard you with a bunch of Old Testament stuff that's totally ripped out of its original context
where it'll be Old Testament scriptures about the Jews coming back from the Babylonian captivity
and then they'll apply that to them coming into the land in 1948. And they just completely ignore
the fact that these scriptures are being written before the return from Babylon and that that's
clearly what they're about. And they just act like, well, these have to be about 1948. It's
like there's nothing else they could be about. Totally ignoring the biblical history of the
passages that they're preaching. And then, of course, the classic, they'll go to Romans 11,
which ironically is one of the strongest chapters against Zionism. And it's a very strong chapter
that proves that the Christ-rejecting Jews are no longer God's chosen people. But they'll typically
just focus on four or five verses out of context. They're not going to get the whole chapter,
because the first part of the chapter just absolutely destroys their doctrine.
So that's pretty much... If any preachers out there are putting together a Zionist sermon for
this Sunday, here's the formula. You get a bunch of Old Testament passages about coming back from
the Babylonian captivity. You wrongly apply them to 1948. And then the only New Testament passage
you use is Romans 11. And you ignore 30, 40 other passages that completely negate Zionism
in the New Testament. Yeah. In your sermon, "Rightly Dividing the Book of Daniel," I think
you kind of cover the idea of interpreting Bible prophecy correctly. And of course,
there's a lot of Old Testament passages that bring up the return to Jerusalem, especially from the
Babylonian captivity specifically. I'm kind of curious from your perspective, what are some of
the most misabused verses or what are some of the passages that people like to twist as far as like
a return to the Babylonian, from the Babylonian captivity that's kind of being applied to 1948
specifically? Is there any on the top of your head that you could think of? Yeah. I mean,
the first thing that would pop into my mind would of course be, you know, scriptures from the book of Jeremiah,
scriptures from the book of Ezekiel. I don't have them in front of me, but there are a lot of passages
where God's talking about the fact that he's going to bring them back. Hosea is another big one.
Again, I don't have the exact references in front of me, but, you know, there are a lot because
that's kind of a major theme in the Old Testament history. So I could pull some up if you give me a
second. You bring that up like Jeremiah 30. This is one I feel like I hear in verse 7.
It says, "The last for that day is great, so that none is like it. It is even the time of
Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it." I feel like I hear about that quite a bit,
this idea of "Jacob's trouble" and them being saved. And I think most of the time, you know,
correct me if I'm wrong, most of them, they're kind of applying that to maybe Romans 11 type
interpretation or in the end times, just like everybody in Israel is going to be saved. Is
that kind of what you hear, Ben? I think when I hear about Jacob's trouble or the time of Jacob's
trouble for Jeremiah 30 verse 7, what I picture is this idea that the seven-year tribulation period,
which of course we know it's three and a half years followed by 75 days of great tribulation,
but my point is they believe that that seven-year period is the time of Jacob's trouble. It's a time
of tribulation just for the Jews. And then as you mentioned, at the end of that seven-year period,
they will magically be converted at, I presume, the battle of Armageddon when they look on him
whom they pierced, ripping Zechariah out of context and misapplying Zechariah. So that's the one that
pops into my mind. And Pastor Anderson brought up Ezekiel. It's kind of funny because I believe one
of the chapters that the Zionists love is chapter 37, the Valley of Dry Bones, which is clearly a
reference to a future resurrection. And you can make the connection there to John chapter 5,
where Jesus Christ said, "The hour is coming, and now is when the dead shall hear the voice of the
Son of God, and they that hear shall live." So that's one from Ezekiel that I've heard as well
that they really like. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, the Ezekiel 37 passage, like you said,
it's about the resurrection, the regeneration, the second coming of Christ. And here's what
you have to understand about dual fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Because of course, yeah,
things that already happened in the past in the Old Testament, things that are already fulfilled,
they can still have a future fulfillment in the end times. But here's the thing. In order for
something to have a dual fulfillment, then the two events have to have something in common with one
another. Okay. And so in the Old Testament, when you have the children of Israel coming back from
the Babylonian captivity, the key thing is that they got right with God. And that's why he's
bringing them back to the land because now they've been cured of their idolatry. They're not
worshiping craven images. They're not worshiping false gods. They're ready to trust in the Lord.
Now that's why they get to come back into the land. And then for a while they're actually doing
right by God. They're serving the Lord. Obviously they're not perfect, but in general they're
worshiping the true God. Compare that with 1948 where you have people who totally reject the
Lord Jesus Christ, hate the Lord Jesus Christ. They do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah,
which according to 1 John chapter 2 makes them anti-Christ. And then you have them coming into
the land. And then that's supposedly this wonderful fulfillment of prophecy. It's just like in the
old days when God would fight for Israel and God's got Israel's back. But of course, anyone who
doesn't believe on Jesus Christ has God's wrath abiding on them, not God's blessing. But we're
supposed to believe that somehow people who reject the Lord Jesus Christ, as long as they're Jews,
they somehow have the blessing of God resting upon them. It's an absurd false doctrine,
there's no basis in reality. But one of the ways that this was sold to us, especially with passages
like Ezekiel 37, was that supposedly he's going to bring them into the land in unbelief. And then
once they get there, they're going to get saved. Because that's how these Zionists in the 20th
century explained the significance of a bunch of Christ rejecting Jews coming back into the
promised land. It's like, well, they're going to get saved later. They're going to believe in Jesus
Christ later. First, they come to the land and then they'll go back to Ezekiel and they'll find
these passages like Ezekiel 37, where they're basically like the Israelites are dead, but then
it's like they come back to life. Now, we know that the proper interpretation of Ezekiel 37
is a literal resurrection, literal dead bodies coming back to life, because it's about the
second coming of Christ, the resurrection, and so forth. Okay, like a literal resurrection when
people come out of the graves, you know, the dead in Christ shall rise first and all that.
1 Thessalonians 4. But what they will interpret it as is that God brings unbelievers into the land,
then He breathes life into them, then He gives them a new heart, then they turn to Christ.
And all throughout the 20th century, this was always just right around the corner,
you know, so pastors would always talk about how like these revivals in Israel are just starting
and a whole bunch of Jews are getting saved. And this is before the internet. So you couldn't
really fact check these claims. And so you were just always throughout the 80s and 90s. And you
know, I can't speak to before that because I was born in 1981. But in the 80s and 90s, it's like
you always heard these sort of rumors about how revivals breaking out in Israel and how it's all
happening and it's right around the corner and a whole bunch of Jews are going to get saved and
and then it's going to boom roll into the end times and all this stuff. But yet now here we are
in 2024 and virtually everyone from that generation that came into the land in 1948 is dead. And guess
what? They're in hell, okay, because they did not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God,
okay? And so, I mean, this isn't a complicated doctrine, folks. If you don't believe that Jesus
is the Son of God, if you don't believe he's the Messiah, you go to hell when you die, okay?
And so the Jews, by definition, reject the Lord Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Otherwise, they
wouldn't be Jews. They'd be Christians. Wait a minute. By definition, they are anti-Christ.
By definition, they are not saved. So you're telling me that Theodore Herzl didn't get saved
and Jacob Rothschild and all of these individuals. That breaks my heart to think all of these
Christ-rejecting Jews didn't get in there. But the reality is, I don't see how Zionism
can continue to make sense. What's the point of bringing unsaved people to any part of geography
of the world if they're still going to die there? The Bible makes it abundantly clear. What does it
profit a man if he gained the whole world and yet loses his own soul? So even if we did put the
Jews in the Middle East and give them a palace and give them everything they could possibly want,
but they still die and go to hell, I don't see how that benefits that individual or is fulfilling
any of these verses that we've been bringing up. But even unsaved Catholics and other individuals
have been noticing this. I want to play a clip from Candace Owens, which she's a Catholic,
but it's kind of crazy how Catholics can kind of see through a lot of these lies and Christians
don't. Before I play that clip, I also want to make a couple other quick announcements.
You can call in this evening, 231-BABDIS, and we'll be taking some calls later in the show.
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Also, again, you can call in 231-Baptist, but I want to play this clip of Candice here for a moment
and then get some of your thoughts. Let's go ahead and play that clip. And I really wish the
Jewish community had listened to me on that because it seems that the overuse of the term
anti-Semitism is leading us to a place that we should discuss. Pastor Greg Locke, you have a
congregation of over 1200 people, four million YouTube subscribers. What message would you give
to Candice Owens? I want Candice to understand that if you're going to call yourself a biblical
Christian, then you have to believe the biblical mandate and the biblical mandate over and over.
Matter of fact, hundreds of times is that we are to stand with love and support the people of God,
the Jewish nation. They're really the Jewish nation, and the Bible has so much to say about
that. So to say that you're either someone who believes the Bible or you're a Christian or you're
conservative, that simply means that you are going to have to repent of what you have said,
or at least come out and tell us who you really are. Because at the end of the day,
real Christians stand with the people of God. Now, I think that this is coming from some of
Candice's other previous statements. You remember what she said, Ben? Well, I mean, she was
questioning the idea that the Jews are the special class of people that are the apple of God's eye.
She questioned the Holocaust, I believe. She questioned America's unrelenting support for
Israel politically. Well, she questioned 1948, didn't she? 1948, yeah. So obviously, when you
start making, you know, statements like that and asking questions like that, it's going to
rattle cages and that's what happened this week. I think that there's another, I don't know if we
have, do we have another clip from some of your research? Okay, I want to play one other clip
from her and then I want to comment on Greg Locke's things. There's another one where she's
wearing like a black hat or something. I don't know if you can pull that one up. So she talks
about us being an occupied nation. And, you know, she's really been blowing up the internet a little
bit. Let's see. It should be, I'll post it in there again. It's in there, but just a little
bit further down. We'll give our crew just a second to pull the other clip up. But when it comes to,
you know, this issue, she's a pretty popular person. I think she has about four or five
million followers on maybe Twitter or Instagram or vice versa. She was on The Daily Wire,
which was owned by Ben Shapiro. And I think just by saying that she didn't want Palestinian children
to be slaughtered, she got fired. And then since then, she became Catholic. Then after that, she
was questioning the Holocaust and a lot of other things. So now it's just like almost everybody
seems to be condemning her. Even Tim Ballard, I saw that the guy from Sound of Freedom came out
and kind of spoke against Candice. But let's see if we can play this clip. She's actually worried
she's going to die, I think. There's language in this. You think it's normal, by the way,
that basically every person who speaks about Israel has to basically say a statement that's like,
you know, "I don't want to get killed." Like, literally, you start speaking about people who
are like, "Candice, beef up your security." But like, that is not normal, okay? It's not normal
that people have to think about their security. Because--and by the--so then, the way that you
get comfortable with it is you're like, "Eh, well, you know, they shot JFK in an open car,
so there's not--I mean, it's the same president. I mean, obviously the mysterious doesn't really
matter. If they want me, they're going to get me." That's not a normal thought process to have.
We don't have that about any other country in the world except for the one that, you know,
took over ours. And that's the truth, okay? We are an occupied nation, and if it's going to take
women, like, having to speak up and say that to make permission, like, to give permission to men
to do the same, then I'm happy to be the first person, okay? I just want to be clear. Anything
happens to me? Blame the Zionists. Like, 1,000% blame the Zionists. Like, let that be my parting
work. So, she's saying that if she dies, blame the Zionists. Pull up Greg Locke's, uh, just Twitter.
Just see if you can go there. I think we had sent, like, a picture or something of some of
his, uh, just his page. Yeah, there we go. Pull up some of this. This is what makes me mad, okay?
Because we get censored, the New Ivy gets censored, Pastor Anderson gets censored,
it's almost like our viewpoint doesn't get out there. So then she makes this claim, like,
I'll have to be the first one to say that, like, our nation's occupied or talk about Jews or
Holocaust. But it's like Pastor Anderson made a Holocaust video. I don't remember what the year
was. I want to say, do you remember that year, like 2016 or 2017? Well, Marching Design came out in
2015. And so it had to be either 2015 or 16. It was like right after? Yeah, it was part of, you know,
promoting the film and explaining the film and, you know, answering questions about the film and
things like that. But in all fairness, I think you may have misunderstood what she said because she
was saying the first woman, she was trying to make a big deal about that. Well, no, I think she was
just acting like no one said it. She's giving permission to men. If she has to be the first
one, she's like saying it's sad that women have to say it first. But I think she's kind of making
it seem like she's the first one to get out there and talk about these issues. But she kind of lives
in her own echo chamber a little bit too. I think in The Daily Wire, she probably wasn't experiencing
a lot of truth about Zionism in that particular echo chamber. Yeah, like, for example, you know,
I remember back when I started Faith Forward Baptist Church, Christmas of 2005, I still didn't
understand the truth about Israel. You know, I still had the Zionist viewpoint and believe that
the Jews were God's chosen people and all those things, because that's what I was brought up with.
And that teaching was just so ingrained in me that even though I had read the Bible so many times,
and literally read the Bible like 20 times, and I just was so stuck on that thing of the Jews being
God's chosen people, and I remember when I first started to see the truth about it, which was around
like July of 2006, I'd never heard anyone as a Christian not be pro-Israel, supporting Israel,
for Israel, totally Zionist. I'd never even heard of any Christians that didn't believe that the
Jews were God's chosen people. And I spent like the next six months just reading my Bible two more
times and just trying to make sure I wasn't missing something, because I was like, "Man,
if I'm going to preach something so radical..." Because it felt radical at the time. Now it
doesn't feel radical. Now it's just obvious because it's just what the Bible says. I was like,
"Man, I got to be 100% sure that I'm not wrong about this." I read the Bible two more times
just looking for this one thing. And finally, I was ready to preach about it in December of 2006.
But right before I did, there was a guy who was visiting my church and he gave me a stack of
cassette tapes from Dr. Roland Rasmussen, who's a pastor in Los Angeles. And I was listening to
those cassette tapes. And in one of the cassette tapes, Pastor Rasmussen was actually preaching
the truth about this. And I remember that kind of just boosted my confidence. Like, "Oh, wow,
I'm not the only one. Here is another sermon that's saying the same thing from an independent
fundamental Baptist." And so the point of what I'm saying is that, yeah, sometimes we don't realize
what's out there, because we do sometimes live in our own little world or our own echo chamber,
or we're just around people who believe like us, or we're just around all people of one certain
denomination. And whenever you find out the truth about something, of course, it turns out that
there are millions of other people all along that knew the truth about it. But you sometimes feel
like you're the only one. And so that's probably how she feels, because she's this, I don't really
know anything about her or who she is, but I guess she's some kind of a conservative commentator or
radio host or whatever she is. So, you know, I guess she's a conservative and conservatives
are all for Israel. So, you know, she'd never heard of anybody not being for Israel. So she's
just kind of this pioneer in her own mind. But I think we all kind of feel that way sometimes when
we're coming out of a really, you know, homogenous group of people on a certain doctrine and we kind
of go the other way. Yeah. I mean, I think that marching to Zion made a big impact. Of course,
you'd already preached things on that before. And I think that already kind of laid some groundwork,
but marching to Zion reached a lot of people and it really changed a lot of minds. And I think for
Candace, she's probably only getting exposed to people like Greg Locke, which when you look
at his Twitter, he's pulling up passages. He's like telling Charlie Kirk to rebuke Candace Owens or
disown Candace Owens. There's another post also. See if you can pull this one up. Yeah, look at this.
This is a real post. This is not like a parody. This is like a real post from Greg Locke where he
just put like six million Israeli flags on his Twitter here. Yeah, but here's what you have to
understand about Greg Locke, okay? Because I've actually watched Greg Locke over the years because
I knew about Greg Locke even before he was well known at all because a lot of people may not
realize this, but he actually started out as a King James Bible preaching fundamentalist Baptist
that actually preached at churches that I've been to. So he was actually in the same movement that
I was in of independent fundamental Baptist, and I remember Pastor Jimenez and I listening to his
preaching literally, you know, 20 years ago or something, or probably more, actually more than
that, like 20 some odd years ago, and we just thought that he was boring and lame. We didn't
like him, but he was in that movement. And then what you've seen him do since then is stop being
King James and stop being a fundamentalist Baptist. Why? Because he did not thrive in
that movement. He didn't make it in that movement because he sucked. So he didn't really go anywhere.
He wasn't popular. So then what you've seen him do over the last many, many years is just literally
say whatever people want to hear to be popular. But he'll always make it sound like he's so
controversial and so edgy like, "Man, I know this is really going to upset people, but I just think
men should use the men's bathroom and women should use the women's bathroom." Because if you look at
the history of Greg Locke, the thing that made his Facebook page blow up and what made him famous
was literally Target letting transvestites into the women's room. He took this really bold stand
of saying that these transvestites shouldn't be in the ladies' room and so forth. He always is just
saying these really Republican things, just really vanilla stuff that literally half of America
agrees with anybody who's conservative and he'll just say whatever is popular and whatever's like
the trending topic that week he'll talk about it and he'll always say the most popular opinion
but he'll act like it's just so you know uh countercultural. It's like Fox News is amped up
a little bit. Yeah he's just he he is Fox News as a preacher and you know what I'm just gonna say it
I'm just gonna say it I don't care if you walk out of my church I'm gonna say it right now
the Democrats don't believe the Bible amen come on come on now. How much of his preaching do you
really listen to Ben? He's the most vanilla preacher in the world and he's just but now
he's taken it to another level by becoming a Charismaniac but again why does he do that
because he knows that the big money-making mega pastors that have the big televangelist lifestyle
are Charismaniacs so he'll become a Charismaniac. I mean he will literally become anything if it
will get him popularity. You can watch this man's career over the last few decades and it's just
whatever it takes to be popular he'll do it. That's all that matters to him and so yeah whatever's
the trending topic that's what he's going to talk about and of course there's a huge segment of
America that is super pro-Israel and he's ready to just tell them what they want to hear. People
don't listen to Greg Locke to be challenged. They listen to Greg Locke to basically hear their
opinion coming out of his mouth. I mean do you think that he's really reaching a lot of new people
or is he just basically pandering to an audience that's just hungry for his message? Yeah there's
no way that he's taking people that are against Israel and converting them to being pro-Israel.
There's no way. That's just simply not happening. What he's doing is just having this little cheer
leader pep rally for Israel with people that are already Israel fans. He's just energizing
his little Israel fans by just showing that he can post more flags and more heart emojis
in the post than the other guy. Well I feel like you're marching the Zion clips,
or at least your film, is still reaching people today. I've seen a couple more recent posts where
the people were sharing your sermon clip and Stu Peter specifically shared one of the snippets
from the film. I want to see if we can play this. This is Leo Abrami I think. I don't know if we
can hear it. This is still present in the mind of many. Throughout history, Christians have not
looked at the Jews as God's chosen people. They looked at them as a people that rejected Christ
and were therefore rejected by God. For example, the last book written by Martin Luther before he
died was called "The Jews and Their Lies" and in this book he gives all kinds of scriptural arguments
for why the Jews are not God's chosen people and he also exposes a lot of the blasphemous
teachings of the Talmud. They have demon. This guy, this guy's got like the most epic voice ever.
I mean part of the part of the thing that's so great about the film "Marching Design" is just
all four rabbis are just so classic. I mean obviously God was really blessing the film
because I don't think you could have gotten four better rabbis. It's like the four best rabbis in
America just to represent Judaism. They're all different too. They're so different from one
another and it was so great how we had such a broad spectrum because we had an orthodox rabbi,
we had the conservative rabbi, we had the reformed rabbi, we had the humanist rabbi,
and they have totally different personalities, but they're all just so classic and it just makes the
movie so entertaining and so quotable. You know, before I forget, I want to go back to something
that Greg Locke said, you know, his thing about how just, "Oh, the Bible is just so filled with
the Jewish nation. We got to support the Jewish nation." You know, I just did a quick search on
Jewish nation and it's not even in the Bible. There is no such thing as the Jewish nation.
What's he even talking about? I did a quick search just on the word Jewish and I came up with one
Bible verse, you know, that we need to avoid Jewish fables. You know, he's just acting like
there's just this mountain of evidence for the Jewish nation when in reality what you have is
you have talk about Israel, okay, and when you look up verses that are about the Jews, typically
it ends up being negative, okay, because you find verses like Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 where
it talks about how they say they're Jews but they're not. They're actually the synagogue of Satan.
Or you find in Romans chapter 2 he's not a Jew which is one outwardly. Neither is that circumcision
which is outward in the flesh but he's a Jew which is one inwardly. And so you find a lot of
verses calling out the Jews as imposters that spiritually they're not right.
You find verses about the Jews killing the Lord Jesus and killing their own prophets.
You find all kinds of verse in the book of Acts about the Jews stirring up persecution
against Christians. I mean there's just not this mountain of verses saying we need to support the
Jewish nation. That's not even a biblical concept. And by the way, it's not even the reality of what
Israel is because Israel is not necessarily even a Jewish state or a Jewish nation in the sense that
he's thinking. Just because someone lives in Israel doesn't even mean that they're a religious
Jew. I mean a lot of Israelis are secular. And in fact, the vast majority are not Orthodox
Jews. Many are non-religious or reformed Jews. And you know, the Orthodox Jews make up a
minority of the population over there. But even so, Orthodox Judaism is a wicked, blasphemous,
Christ-rejecting, anti-Christ religion. And so, you know, he makes these claims. He's
not backing anything up. It's just… He's not teaching anything. He's just yelling
and screaming. You know, the verse he brought up is an important verse because I've had
conversations with people that are Zionists and I just ask them, I say, "Okay, Bible
says in Titus chapter 1, 'Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men that
turn from the truth.'" I say, as a Zionist, who do you apply that verse to? Because it's
almost like all of these warnings that we have in the Bible about the circumcision,
the concision, and specifically about the Jews that they apply to no one. Like, from
a Zionistic perspective, it seems like they don't have anybody to apply these verses to
and that they're almost meaningless to them. I mean, you have some verses in Revelation
2.9 and 3.9 that bring up the Jews which are lying about it and the synagogue of Satan.
The Bible says they say they're Jews, but they do lie. They are the synagogue of Satan.
It almost seems like the Zionists have no application, no interpretation for these verses.
Correct me if I'm wrong, have you heard a Zionist argument for any of these verses, Ben?
No, I don't really hear a lot of their biblical... other than dancing around in Romans 11, and
we talked earlier about some of the Old Testament passages, they like to wrongly apply to the
Jews coming in in 1948. No, I don't often hear them actually address these points.
The closest I've heard is I believe it was Andrew Sluder, and that's a name probably
no one knows anymore. He's kind of faded into obscurity, but I'm pretty sure he made the
argument that Christians are Abraham seed, but then the Jews are also Abraham seed, and
they'll get converted magically at the end of Daniel's 70th week. So it's kind of like,
we're both Abraham seed just in a different way, but they're still God's chosen people.
I don't know. At the end of the day, it seems like they kind of just speak more so in talking
points and memorized talking points than structured Biblical arguments. At least that's my perspective.
Yeah, I guess...
Well, you made an excellent point about how they make these verses meaningless, and here's
another way of wording that. You've made the Word of God of none effect by your tradition.
I mean, that's what Jesus said about people who twist the Bible. And what's funny is
that what I've heard people say about Revelation 2 and 3 is they said, "Oh, it's the Jehovah's
Witnesses," or, "Oh, it's the Black Hebrew Israelites." They'll try to point to some
modern day cult and say, "These are the people who are saying they're Jews and are not,"
or whatever.
I've heard that it's us. It's you and I. I mean, Black Hebrew Israelites would say that
it's us or something.
But what's so stupid about that though is that obviously the Bible is timeless. Obviously
the Bible is also applying to future situations. But it also must have some meaning to the
original audience. I mean, if he's writing to a literal church back in the first century
AD and he's writing to a church in Asia Minor saying, "I know the blasphemy of them which
say they are Jews and are not but are the synagogue of Satan," I mean, what is the
original audience like, "Well, huh? I've never seen anything like that. Oh, don't worry.
It's coming hundreds of years later." Obviously, the things that are said in those letters
to the seven churches, they have to have meaning for those seven churches. Otherwise, why is
he saying it to the church at Smyrna? Why is he saying it to the Church of Philadelphia?
It must have meaning for that church. So, it has to be a group that was around back
then. You can't say it's coming in the future.
To continue with your point, because it's such a good point, is why are the Jews at
that time, if we're going to make the application of the historical context, if the Jews back
then are bad, and you're supposed to be aware of them, and that they're lying, and they're
the synagogue of Satan, what event caused them to not be that anymore? At what point
did they just stop being these bad people? It's like, okay, well 1948, but none of them
got saved or turned to God or had some revival or started believing in Jesus Christ, so why
would I think that anything's different? If we take the historical context, we recognize
that they were bad, they were enemies at that time, why is it that they're now magically
not enemies? Like, what was the event that caused them to stop being an enemy, Ben?
There was none. I mean, clearly that ideology has been passed down to those who call themselves
Jews today, and it's gotten worse. It's gotten even more rotten. It's gotten even more blasphemous.
It's gotten even more anti-Christ. Some of the things written in the Talmud are so evil,
I don't even want to repeat it right now. So it's only gotten worse, it seems like.
Pastor Ederson?
Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, and I think Philippians 3 is such a powerful passage.
It's hard to pick which one's the best, but Philippians 3 is so powerful. Beware of dogs,
beware of evil workers, beware of the concision, or we are the circumcision, which worship
God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
So he calls the Jews, instead of the circumcision, which is what they would call themselves,
he calls them the concision because he says we as Christians who believe in Jesus Christ,
we're the actual circumcision. I mean, you have the Apostle Paul saying to a Gentile
church in Philippi in Macedonia, he's saying to the Macedonian believers,
we're the circumcision who worship Jesus Christ. I mean, I don't understand how you could get any
clearer than that. But I think that for a lot of these people, they're so hung up on the genealogy
aspect. Like you can throw all these scriptures at them passage after passage, verse after verse,
and they'll just come at you with, but you don't understand. Those folks in Israel have an ethnic
line that takes them all the way back to Abraham. And according to Genesis chapter 12, we need to
bless them or else we won't be blessed ourselves. And one thing I want to bring up is that in your
film "Marching to Zion," you actually address that point about this supposed ethnic line that they
have, that they, you know, are of Abraham physically speaking, when the reality is, first of all,
it doesn't matter what your ethnicity is. We're in the New Testament and we're all one in Christ
Jesus. The Bible says we're all of one blood. The Bible says that the house of God is a house of
prayer for all people. You could be purple. I don't care. So that's the first thing. Second
thing is you even debunk that talking point that they use about how, well, these people are physical
descendants of Abraham and so therefore they ought to be pedestalized. I want to play another clip
here and Stu Peters is apparently your number one fan. He interviewed you, didn't he? Yeah,
I think he did actually. Not that long ago. He's invited me on a couple times since then,
but unfortunately it just didn't work with my schedule. So I need to get back on there
because I feel bad because I haven't been able to come on the couple times that he wanted me to come
on. You know what I mean? I was just busy. It just didn't work out. So hopefully I can come on again,
but he must have a pretty big audience because I even had someone visit our church this Sunday
and they said, "Oh, I heard about you through Stu Peters." And so apparently he's got a pretty big
audience and so I'm glad that he's playing this stuff because at the end of the day it's the Bible
that people need to hear and people need to hear the truth about this stuff. I just have two words
to debunk the argument that Ben brought up. It's just avoid genealogies. I mean, that's what the
Bible says, avoid genealogies. And it's funny because the Old Testament's filled with genealogies,
but the New Testament only has two genealogies in the entire New Testament. There are two
genealogies and they're both the same person's genealogy, Jesus. Right. Because Jesus's genealogy
is the only genealogy that matters anymore. You know, and that's why in the entire New Testament,
the only genealogy that exists is the genealogy of Jesus. And they hate that. Avoid genealogies.
They want to go to the Talmud and say he's like the son of Pantera, Ben Pantera or something.
Let's play this clip. Go ahead. It's not hard to figure out who the synagogue of Satan is
when you realize that there's only one religion in this world that uses synagogues. Judaism.
It's not hard to figure out who they are when the Bible tells us that they say they're Jews
and they're not. Not everyone in this world goes around saying I'm a Jew.
People who practice Judaism say that they're Jews. It's not hard to figure out.
There we go. I guess it's not hard to figure out who they are, Ben.
No. You don't even need a genealogy.
Well, and you know what's funny? You know, there is that sequence in the Marching Design
film, it's like a 20-minute sequence or something, where I show mathematically and scientifically,
basically, that every single one of us on this planet is a direct descendant of Abraham.
And, you know, I've heard people laugh at that or scoff at that. You know what I've never heard
is an actual meaningful response to that. And I, you know, I was really disappointed because
when we came out with that film back in 2015, and when I preached that sermon back in 2014,
literally 10 years ago, I was expecting there to be some kind of a response, some kind of a, you
know, the empire striking back or something. But what ended up happening was it just, it was just
crickets. It was either just totally ignoring it. And I mean, we're talking about a film that has
been seen by literally millions of people, possibly even tens of millions of people, but for sure,
minimum several million people just on one upload of YouTube have seen the film Marching Design.
Okay. And tons of people have done reviews on it, have responded to it, but no one has given
a meaningful response. No one has embraced the truth of what I've said. No one has rejected what
I've said. No one can even respond to what I've said. And I was ready. Like I had all the math
ready. I had all the data ready. I had the the the Bible ready. And I was just so ready to defend
that. And I've just never even had a chance to defend it. Because guess what? No one can debunk
it because it's true. But yet the entire world just goes on as if it isn't true. And you see
these stupid studies in the news like oh new DNA study shows that all the Jews in the world go back
to a single female you know 3,500 years ago. It's like yeah no crap we all go back to some female
from 35 years ago. I mean it's just it's so dumb it just shows that they don't understand the
math or the science in these little pop science articles because I'm not talking about like a
scientific journal article actually by a real scientist. I'm talking these little these little
pop articles that come out you know sensationalizing these headlines about DNA of Israel which is just a
bunch of just selective evidence but you know what if a DNA study shows that the Jews living in Israel
today are actually descended from Abraham that wouldn't surprise me one bit because of course
they are because we all are because we're all mixed because we've all been mixing for the last
few thousand years and if people don't know what I'm talking about is what I'm saying might sound
crazy right now but you know what the truth often does sound crazy the truth especially when it
comes to things like math and science the truth is often counterintuitive and like I said it's been
over a decade and no one has even tried to debunk that sequence of the film like I'm not saying
someone did a bad job of responding to it or debunking it I'm saying that no one has even to
my knowledge even tried to respond to it because they can't because I'm right because it's facts
it's math surprise we're all Jews I know someone that that's going to really offend and even his
name is Israel anyways so he's not going to like that he's a Jew but the thing is I think I think
you're ahead of your time I think you're a pioneer but I feel like it's I feel like Zionism is dying
at this point I feel like we're not go ahead I was gonna say we're not Jews we're not Israelites
because because that's it's got nothing to do with ethnicity and this is another point and I'm sorry
to interrupt you but this is another point that kind of went over the head of some people that
watch the film is that you know that sequence of the film it kind of culminates in a joke
it was it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek it was meant to be silly when I get the DNA test and I'm
Jewish and everything like that like people thought I was serious but but really the whole
thing was meant to be a joke just to show how stupid it was which is why right after I get the
DNA result you know a pastor comes on the screen says come on is this is this what this is really
about this is what it really comes down to a DNA test you know anyway sorry to interrupt you
you were saying that that he's trying to deny his Jewish heritage you know here on the show but
he's Jewish we have proof we have mathematical proof we have the video evidence folks he said
it DNA test yeah we have all of the evidence that we need Pastor Anderson's obviously descendant
of Israel and so we just need to accept the reality I mean they always talk about you being
like a secret agent like a FEMA pastor or whatever you're like a Mossad Jewish agent so there you go
but I feel like you're kind of ahead of your time and I think that nobody was ready with a real
response so they're all afraid but it does seem like the tide's been turning a little bit more
people are talking about this and it seems like the people talking about this are non-religious
or or like loosely religious it seems like the people that are actually religious or the pastors
out there are just not talking about it you know apart from maybe you know your friends and and
other like-minded fundamental baptists there's really not a lot of people bringing this up it
even seems like those who are zionist are kind of afraid to really get in the nitty-gritty or
talk about this i'm kind of i'm kind of curious like your thoughts where where are we headed
doctrinally like do you think that there's going to be a resurgence of the zionism doctrine i know
trump's pretty pro israel and we have greg locks pretty pro israel i mean do you think that this
is going to catch on or do you think that we're just going to slowly just roll over top of them
i think that the vast majority of so-called christians don't care what the bible says don't
care what the truth is don't read the bible don't know anything about it aren't researching it
and they will continue to be zionist until jesus comes that's my opinion but i will say this among
people who actually matter like people who are actually saved people actually believe the bible
like actual christians not just you know people that are culturally christian or you know calling
themselves a christian but they don't actually believe on the lord jesus christ as their personal
savior you know i'm saying that amongst those who matter zionism is starting to go away and it's
starting to fall away and here's why because zionism made sense in the 20th century it was exciting
to see these developments in the 20th century from a zionist perspective of them coming into
the land and and and look we should acknowledge something right now that the nation of israel
coming into existence in the 20th century was an amazing phenomenal event i'm not saying in a good
way but it was amazing it was a phenomenon and it was unprecedented in the history of mankind i
mean to think about a language being a completely dead language from around the first century ad
all the way until the late 1800s to go from a dead language to a language with millions of native
speakers okay i mean it's unprecedented show me another language that was dead for almost 2000
years and now has you know five six million native speakers or whatever i you know don't quote me on
that number but however many millions of native speakers of modern hebrew it's amazing six million
right yeah it's got to be six million but it don't question that number either it's got to be uh you
know one of the most incredible events in the history of mankind israel becoming a nation the
language being resurrected everything surrounding it super interesting but that doesn't prevent it
from being ungodly satanic wicked and having nothing to do with people actually being blessed
by god or believing in jesus but but but you got to put yourself in the shoes of people in the 20th
century okay fundamentalist baptists who are bible-believing christians who loved god you can
see why they would see such an amazing event and say wow this is a working of god and especially
when they're being told that we'll know you know they're they're coming to the land and then they're
they're about to get saved and they're receptive to the gospel and you know all these lies and
disinformation they were being fed about how they were about to get saved but now that that doctrine
has been kind of sitting out of the fridge for a while it's gotten so rancid and rotten because
you know it never happened it never came true the jews didn't get saved there was no revival in
israel and there are less christians now in israel than there were 20 years ago you know it's it's
it's on a decline okay and stop and think about this too like you mentioned earlier that you know
what's a man profited if he gains the whole world loses his own soul okay if you stop and think
about it the jews would probably be more likely to get saved if they were living in america or
even even places like germany or hungary or russia or something they'd probably be more likely to get
saved than living in israel so why would god bring them to israel just so they could have even less
of a chance of getting saved being an even more christ rejecting place than they were already in
before and bringing them to a place where they're even less likely to get saved look if the jews
would have come to the land in 1948 and then in the 50s 60s or 70s there would have been some huge
revival where where just hundreds of thousands of jews are being saved or millions of jews are
converting to christianity or something you know then you that would that would actually make you
think like oh wow okay god's doing something here because people are being saved but what people
don't understand is that just because something cool happens or interesting or amazing or phenomenal
doesn't mean it's necessarily good or righteous you know i mean obviously there there are going
to be some pretty amazing things in the book of revelation done by the dragon and the antichrist
and and even john is kind of marveling and wondering and and the angels saying to john like hey where
for does thou marvel but it's hard not to marvel at the great whore and at the dragon and at the
beast and these things so yeah we you know we can still marvel and say wow you know israel becoming
a nation in 1948 who's a pretty unprecedented historical event and obviously it probably does
have some significance for end times bible prophecy but for the antichrist for the wicked side not for
the good side yeah i think that obviously a lot of people are going to wonder after the beast that's
what the bible literally says and i agree with you that you know 1948 is kind of special but it seems
like a lot of that specialness warns has has worn off a lot of people now have no idea about any
that history they know nothing about world war ii they know very little about the middle east or the
state of israel and so when they end up doing research they kind of look at more modern media
sources and they're finding a lot of skepticism they're finding um an alternative message and
history and it's causing a lot of uproar in churches not even just ours but even in reformed
churches and what was funny is i saw a clip of james white who was responding to some of the
quote rising anti-semitism that he's seeing in reform circles and you know again it's like have
you read any of the reformers because it's like uh you know john calvin martin luther i mean these
guys were not pro-jew but i want to play this clip because i found it really funny um apart
from the fact that he's decorating some gay rainbow flag behind him but let's let's go ahead and play
this clip real quick it was the insatiable hatred by one ethnic group versus another
that was fueled not by luther yes i know luther i i know i also read yohan ek i know the historical
context a lot better than you do um it was fueled by this insane conspiracy theory that the jews
were behind everything well it's happening again on american college campuses and evidently in
reform church i'm thankful that doug was addressing it and taking heat for it and i'm sure i'll take
heat for saying this and i'll look i'll look any reform man in the eye who would laugh at that
meme and you need to repent need to be put under church discipline if you're in a position of
leadership you need to step down now now don't make me name names because i will all right you
can stop this now this is what i want to do is i want to put up this meme have you seen it been
you've shown okay all right let's see if you can still keep a straight face because i don't want
you to have to step down out of church and get church discipline but here let's see if we can
pull up the uh the meme that james white was just so offended by and he's offended at other people
finding this funny in any way shape or form and he believes well if you laugh at it you should
be church disciplined according to him you should we have to step down immediately you have to step
down if you're a pastor you have to step down because you because you laugh at this meme if
you think this is funny and it's coming yeah sorry we're getting it our production crew did not find
it funny while it's pulling up go ahead and just point out you know of course that he's so arrogant
like i know it better than you do i know the history better than you do who's he talking to
is he just no history better than every everybody the viewer like every single person like it doesn't
matter who you are who's watching this video he knows the history better than you pastor shelly
do you want to walk us through this hey mom what's the holocaust it was the one time jews had to do
manual labor so they claimed it killed them well i guess we all need to stop these ladies need to
be kicked out of church yeah that was very inappropriate for asking that question um i
mean james white is just totally arrogant i'm smarter than you i know the history better than
you i know everything he's like that about every subject okay but then he's like you know hey i've
read yohan ek or whatever like hold on a second you don't have to read yohan ek or whatever to
know martin luther's views on the jews since he literally wrote an entire book called the jews
and their lies so it's not really hard to find it it's the title of the book and honestly the
book on the jews and their lies is extremely radical it has it has a lot of great biblical
points in it but it also just has a lot of just over the top like bluster and rhetoric and it's
so radical and all the reformers obviously were negative toward the jews in some way shape or
form because that's just that's just the way christianity has been in general and this this
pro-jewish pro-zionist stuff is is kind of a new phenomenon and it's it's probably just you know
being rolled out for the end times yeah and obviously even if you didn't think that meme
was funny at all or even if you're kind of offended by it or whatever it's not a church
discipline issue obviously and the fact that he would take it that far just goes to show you
that he is a zionist at heart i guess but pastor anderson i'm curious because you bring up this
martin luther the jews and their lies and this is slightly off topic so we don't have to spend
too much time on it but i am just curious did he believe in baptismal regeneration was there any
evidence pointing in that direction yeah and you know that's the bummer because you know it's such
a great book but then there's just there's like one or two lines in the book that are just wrong
on salvation and it just kind of just ruins the book in that sense but you know he definitely
preached some things that are that are you know not compatible with yeah the gospel of Jesus
Christ and and so you know if you look at the the fruit the tree is known by its fruit you know look
at the lutherans of today talk to any lutheran you want they don't believe in the eternal security
of the believer you know they they're not saved when you go knocking on their doors and questioning
them on salvation they're virtually never saved and so i mean obviously the guy was teaching false
doctrines from the roman catholic church of baptismal regeneration original sin doctrine
and stuff like that that is just not biblical and you know but that doesn't take away from the fact
that just historically speaking guys like john calvin and martin luther that we don't look up
to we don't think that they're wonderful but the reform people do and these are their supposed
spiritual forebears and they were obviously very clear what they believed about the jews and it's
interesting when you read the story about martin luther is that he started out really loving the
jews and wanting to get them saved and so he actually put a lot of effort into trying to
evangelize the jews and it was in the process of doing that that he realized how much they hated
the lord jesus christ and how satanic their religion was and so that's why it ends up being
the final book that he writes you know it's it's toward the end of his ministry that he writes this
book on the jews and their lies and and you know also one of his final sermons is on that same
topic because it was at the end of his life after he'd had the experiences with them that he felt
that way about them and like i said the book is over the top like the book is too radical for me
i mean the book is just is too much but that being said you can't argue with the biblical points that
he makes about the jews all the biblical points that he makes about israel and the jews are really
spot on he just kind of goes overboard in some of his rhetoric he he gets a lot of kind of crude
like junior high bathroom kind of humor and just a lot of just really extreme uh you know hateful
statements about the jews and everything like that but yeah i mean you can't argue with the
logic behind the book because he backs things up with the bible and the logic is sound well i think
that sometimes it's good to expose what the talmud says as well and i think you had a chart from dan
bilzerian where he just kind of highlighted a few quotes from the talmud i want to see if we could
kind of bring that up on the screen here and it's kind of it's a little bit hard to see there but
it says kind of that top left corner it says so pharaoh 15 even the best of the goyim should all
be killed sanhedrin 58b if a goy hits a jew he must be killed yeah yevamoth 98a all children
of goyim are animals sanhedrin 57a when a jew murders a gentile there will be no death penalty
baba mesia 114b gentile quote goys are not humans they are beasts which you know some of this
language is really important when it comes to war efforts it's important to kind of demonize
the other side or enemy and make them seem subhuman so that you have no problem killing them murdering
them doing whatever to them and so you know a lot of this language is a really useful propaganda tool
to do things that are kind of atrocious and for people to feel right about it because most people
don't have a seared conscience most people still can kind of generally understand right from wrong
and so you almost have to dehumanize people for them to feel okay ripping people off killing women
and children slaughtering people torturing them i mean some of the stuff that they're doing is just
horrible to the prisoners in israel they're they're like molesting them and raping them
and all kinds of stuff and i saw one of the soldiers going on tv saying like you know you
better support our troops and that's fine and you know these people are subhuman and
it's just it's just kind of weird they we always talk about human rights but it's like
what human rights do the jews offer to non-jews according to their own text and this isn't
just like obscure passage i mean this is like what officials will even admit to and we've
put in the video we put in some of our movies i mean you you've helped us with our lgbt terrorist
film and in that latter section it talks about jews what does that one jew say uh do you remember
what i sorry what what guy and pigtails he's kind of like towards the end oh yeah he says
equal treatment or something basically non-jews aren't even humans but you see this manifested
in the way that the israeli government treats the palestinians the way that they're being
systematically slaughtered obliterated militarily not just there but also in lebanon and in syria
they bomb residential areas supposedly to try to wipe out hezbollah they don't and they just end
up killing innocent men women and children the bloodshed that israel is responsible for in the
middle east it continues to grow and especially if you know people from that region who can tell you
what's going on you know on a boots on the ground level it's really sad and i think that there's
this mentality that the jews are justified the israeli government is justified in committing
these atrocities and i just don't see how the same folks especially on the left who get all offended
about a you know a rebel flag a confederate flag or whatever which i'm not even a confederate flag
person but it's so funny a lot of these liberals oh they get so offended about a liberal flag but
then they go and vote for politicians who bomb brown people in the middle east systematically
who support that at the very least and aid it financially and that's okay that's fine that
doesn't matter to them you know nuts to your stupid confederate flag you know save me your
indignation on that when you support political zionism and i kind of went off on a rabbit
trail there i apologize but that's my response well i i feel like there's at least some noticing
going on and what i can appreciate is i feel like we're kind of winning when when the jokes
and all the memes are on our side and you just go onto a random app where people aren't even
fundamental baptists and they're posting things like this i want to play this clip because i just
find it amusing did you know that six trillion people died yesterday alone because you didn't
take the vaccine is that Fauci's that's what yeah Fauci says that they killed six gorillion
now this is what's funny i saw this i just thought it was funny and then and then i typed in six
gorillion and you know it's the first what's the first thing that comes up when you type six
gorillion into the internet an adl article apparently apparently this is already like
a colloquialism or some kind of term where they're just like this is anti-semitism and and they're
just they're kind of cracking down on it but again it stems back to the idea of you know
the holocaust and six million you can't question these things and so i think out of that stems
things like this and you know you scroll through this article it talks a lot about how this is
just some kind of anti-semitic trope and blah blah blah but it just seems like every time i read
something on the adl i just like learn so much it's like telling all the things they say this is
what didn't happen i'm like oh this is like what did happen it's pretty interesting because when
someone just makes a wild-eyed conspiracy or just says something crazy about me or one of our friends
we usually don't respond at all we're not gonna like write a detailed article about how this isn't
factual or whatever it's usually the things that have a little bit of truth or there's there's
something going on that people have these kind of detailed responses on so i just find it kind
of interesting how the adl it's almost like they're just providing a single-handedly all the
information that's like actually pertinent they have things on blood libel they have things on
six trillion they have uh actually they have a glossary of terms and steven henderson is it
is a defined term um also i'm a defined term in their glossary and it's just kind of funny
i typically enjoy reading the adl's articles about me and my church and everything you know
right i actually i actually find them to be pretty good sometimes but you know what's interesting is
you know you talk about those quotes from the telma dehumanizing gentiles and if you stop and
think about it that's basically what was happening in nazi germany during world war ii there was also
propaganda that was dehumanizing the jews and that kind of goes to show you that you reap what you
sow you know when you have this christ rejecting religion that says we're superior to everyone
else and and and dehumanizes non-jews then don't be surprised when you get dehumanized because
that's the way the world works you reap what you sow and so i think that that's exactly why that
happened to them you know that's a judgment from god it's a punishment from god but one thing i
would like to say too is is that you know what you have to understand though is that your average
jew has never read the talmud doesn't read the talmud first of all the vast majority of religious
jews they don't even have anything to do with the talmud because the talmud is mainly a thing for
orthodox jews which again is a small minority of jews and even amongst the orthodox jews most of
them are not reading the talmud whatsoever even the rabbis themselves have not read the whole thing
i've never even met anyone who claimed to read the entire thing you know and when i asked the
rabbis in marching design if they'd read the whole thing they said no and that maybe maybe someone
who devoted their whole life to study had read the whole thing but that most of them hadn't read
the whole thing and so i think that you know obviously the jews are not god's chosen people
the jews are not saved they're gonna go to hell unless they believe that jesus is their savior
that he's the son of god that he's the messiah but at the same time your average jew you know
in america or something is not necessarily hating christ or hating gentiles or anything like that
you know they're just people just like catholics or muslims or hindus that are just born into a
certain religion and they're just kind of living their lives and i you know so i do want to caution
people that they shouldn't just get this attitude that just every jew is the enemy and hates christ
and hates us and and hates you know the gentiles because it isn't true i mean obviously there are
these radical people out there the rabbis and these these ultra orthodox orthodox jews but
you know the majority of jews are like the majority of hindus or majority of muslims majority of
anything they're just not really that into it and don't really care yeah it's it's sometimes not
fair to demonize the 1% for what the 99% do and so you know we need to make sure that we're careful
it was a joke but i'm just saying that one over my head that was like what obviously i agree with
you that most jews don't even really know what's going on and you know the last time we went to
faithward baptist church i ran into a jew but he was you know and of course was saying ethnically
that was actually saved he was a part of your church and he was the one making the most of
the jew jokes anyway so i appreciated this sense of humor but it's obvious that we still want jews
to get saved it's not that i don't want jews to get saved but if we were to be honest some of the
worst people some of the people that are very influential in attacking christianity are of the
religion of judaism and of course there's a tight coupling between that religion and that ethnicity
so some people may mistake you know the ethnicity for the religion but it's really
the anti-christ religion that these people are brought up on they believe in or are practicing
that in my view in my view the ethnicity doesn't exist i don't i don't even accept that there is
a jewish ethnicity i think it's it's nonsense it's ridiculous it's just it's just russians
hungarians polish people you know whatever germans you know that there is no jewish ethnicity in my
opinion they're just white people yeah i mean i agree i think that when i talk about jewish
ethnicity like in my perspective it's it's basically people that converted to the religion
of judaism and their children whether or not their children are continuing to practice that
particular religion so um it kind of got conflated at some point obviously throughout history but
most of these people are just kind of religious converts that were almost probably a one for one
of what you would claim was ethnically versus religious and then over time we've had a lot more
atheism and secular jews that have kind of diverged maybe from that particular group
but ultimately i think you know even why you still see a lot of quote secular jews doing a
lot of evil things and wicked things i think they're just kind of brought up in an ecosystem
that's still based on jewish teaching and a lot of jewish teaching dehumanizes the gentiles it
praises the love of money and so a lot of them kind of have those morals kind of instilled in them
and so i think yeah i think it's better instead of calling them ethnic jews i think it's better to
call them cultural jews because i think that's what they are they're cultural jews so they're
they're raised in that culture because maybe their grandparents or parents were religious jews
so they're culturally jews but but ethnically jewish makes it seem as if that's actually a
legitimate ethnicity or something when in reality it's really just a bunch of europeans or other
people who've converted to judaism they've converted to a religion you know i mean we don't
have a christian ethnicity or a muslim ethnicity you know because it's a religion and so i think
that you can have religious jews and they could be black white you know asian whatever i mean i knew
a korean guy who was jewish right so according to the old ifb i guess he's one of god's chosen
people because he's a korean who decided to reject jesus christ and become a jew but the bottom line
is you have religious jews and then you have cultural jews and then you have a nationality
not an ethnicity but a nationality called israeli right so there's an israeli nationality
because there's a nation state called israel and so those people have that israeli passport and
that's their nationality they're israelis so you have israelis you have religious jews cultural
jews but you know anybody who believes on the lord jesus christ is a christian and anybody who
goes by the term jewish you know is typically either talking about the religion or they're culturally
jewish and they're not a believer in the lord jesus christ because christians don't go around
saying i'm jewish unless they're these weird like judaizing you know uh hebrew roots types or
something this sounds a little confusing though because i'm supposed to bless you know the seat
of abraham's as a zionist so how am i how am i supposed to know who i'm supposed to be blessing
but super easy you just you bless everyone who believes in the lord jesus christ as their savior
because the bible says if you be christ then are you abraham's seed and heirs according to the
promise so it's very simple you know you you bless christians that's the seat of abraham do
you think here's my view a little bit is you know marching to zion was kind of this this pioneer
project and i think i think personally it kind of changed a lot of people's perspective woke some
people up and a lot of people are now like in the tides a little bit turning is there room for or
is the timing coming where another project like a marching design two or maybe just some similar
project would maybe be able to come on the heels and and kind of do even more damage now that more
people have kind of awoke into this issue what do you think ben do you think that there's some
appetite here for another project like this i think the appetite's there to me the challenge is the
means by which such a documentary can be distributed given the fact that everything especially that
pastor anderson does is throttled and censored and he has to go through 25 youtube channels an hour
to post his content so i think there's a challenge there but obviously with unfettered access to
youtube and having some kind of platform then yeah i i do think another film like that could
potentially make an impact it's just a matter of figuring out how to actually get it in front of
people just because of the situation we find ourselves in regarding censorship do what about
you pastor anderson apart from obviously just preaching sermons and things like that do you
have any plans or a vision to maybe continue to combat this particular doctrine like you did with
margin of zion i mean here's the way i see it you know i could never work on another film on the
jews because marching to zion was just so good that you could just you could never make a better
film than that in my opinion like i'm not saying someone else couldn't but i could never make a
better film that that that's the best i got folks and and out of all the documentaries that paul
wittenberger and i put together documentaries that i worked on with other people marching design i
feel is the greatest documentary that any of us have ever produced like in my opinion it was it's
always been my number one favorite but i think that in 2024 that's not really the format that
people are looking for anymore because you know back when that film came out in 2015 yeah people
are still watching documentaries whereas now yeah they watch documentaries but let's face it
unfortunately this is generation tiktok generation instagram everybody loves these little shorts
and so i think that now instead of putting together another feature-length film as a follow-up to
marching design our time and energy and resources are probably better spent putting together just
a short video and just little short videos because that's all anybody wants anymore and
personally i hate the format like i like the long format i like watching stuff that lasts for hours
but let's face it the young people today they watch shorts they watch tiktok they watch instagram
shorts and youtube shorts whatever so i think that there's probably more bang for your buck
putting out little short videos like i put out back in the day those israel moments i think i
put out like 50 or 60 israel moments and they're just a couple minutes long sadly those are probably
even too long for today's audience so you know you just have to hit them with a little 30 second
all right give you have to give us like a 10 second snippet here yeah and i mean you know
i'm sure i'm sure pastor bruce mehia is probably putting out a bunch of little short snippets on
instagram and and i know that people are recycling marching design on tiktok and places like that
and so hopefully they just keep doing that but i think that um if i wanted to put out new content
on this subject it would it would probably be short content but honestly right now i'm just
preaching the bible preaching my sermons preaching three times a week and i just leave it to other
people to chop it up and post it everywhere because i'm not allowed to post anything anywhere so
other people have to do it for me yeah i mean i i still feel like there's maybe opportunity to
make some more documentaries and stuff on this subject i agree with you it's going to be almost
impossible to top some of those interviews and some of those scenes in that film it was it's a
it's an instant classic however you know i would like to see personally you know maybe me and ben
we might still work on a few documentaries that we could still do kind of both chop them up put
them out there and then the few dinosaurs like us that want to watch the full length film can go
and i think that look your your guys's films the films that you guys have put out are are excellent
and and i do think that you guys have put out the best film on the king james bible that anyone has
put out i think you guys have put out the best film on the sodomites so i mean you know i'm all
for it i just don't know if you can come out with the best film of the jews because because
marching design is a tough act to follow i mean even even when when we were making our next films
after marching design i remember saying to paul wittenberger like we're never going to be able
to top this film we can't even try we just have to make different films we have to just make
totally different films because it was just yeah you know and maybe that's just me being biased
but i love that film and and no i mean there's no way to to me it's like one of those things
where you can't really replace it's like a child you can't like have another child it's like better
than the next one it's just it's a it's a child right you're gonna love it and it's unique it's
special but you could have another child like a different one that's just you know a little bit
unique so i i still have in the back of my mind i kind of have an idea for a film on that subject
so we may just sneak you in there anyways and then uh even here's the thing even if it's second
place i think it would still be worth it yeah i mean i i want to be a part of of your guys future
film projects because you you know i love the films you guys have made and and so and it's a
lot easier just being in a film than to make the film right what my view is like people like to be
part of winter i like it when you guys do all the work and then i just like show up and do a couple
interviews yeah well i appreciate what you guys were saying earlier making the distinction between
what people call ethnic jews and religious jews i agree i don't believe that there is such an
ethnicity anyway i don't even believe in race but what my point is that i i think that some people
would listen to a podcast like this and may wrongly believe that we're attacking someone's bloodline
or someone's ethnicity or background carnally speaking when we're not and it's unfortunate
that ideology for a lot of people is so tightly coupled with how they look and with their ethnic
background but we are attacking an ideology here on this stream that is the main focus and even
amongst that group who hold to that ideology you heard a further distinction made between
the Orthodox Jews and the subset of them who read the Talmud and your average Jew who might believe
in this some aspects of this false religion but they're not necessarily reprobate they could still
get saved so there is even differences amongst the spiritual when you talk about the spiritual
ideology of false religion of Judaism as I just thought that was important because you know I
think a lot of people the reason why they get so offended about this is because they think oh
you must be a racist it's like I'm not talking about a race at all and even amongst those who
claim that they believe in the religion the average joes out there who have never even
heard of a Talmud potentially hey I love them I want them to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ
I want them to be saved amen we got a we actually have a caller from Saint Antonio and he wants to
kind of talk to ask us some questions about you know addressing the Zionism issue we have David
on the line how's it going David? It's going good pastor I guess my question is how can I talk to my
old IFP like friends because especially in a church that has a pastor that's a super Zionist
like how can I talk with them and the pastor about like the subject of Zionism and how it's
a false religion and how we need to like repent of like reporting like physical Israel?
Yeah I mean that's definitely a difficult question I think a little bit just because
like me personally I wouldn't want to necessarily do anything that appears to be like attacking the
church or undermining the pastor's authority. But at the same time I think you know obviously when
presented with opportunities if someone asks you about it you know I don't think that we
necessarily have to shy away from what we believe. But you know I think in some of these cases it's
one of those things where you focus on the things that you agree on and you can you can be excited
about in the church and then when opportunities present themselves that you can maybe explain
what you believe. But I don't know that I would be actively pursuing changing their mind on that
issue while in a church that disagrees with it. I don't know what your thoughts are Pastor Anderson
on that. Yeah I mean if you're saying that the pastor is super Zionist then obviously you're
just going to be creating more problems and doing more harm than good by trying to go around and
convert the church members to the opposite of what the pastor's teaching. You know I mean if you if
you go to that church I'm assuming you go there because you believe it's the best church in your
area that's why you're going there. So if it's the best church in your area and they're wrong on this
one issue it's not worth sowing strife and sowing discord over this issue. As far as just how to
talk to Christian friends that are Zionists you know in another context because again if you're
at this church and and the pastor's really strong on this and whatever and he's really opinionated
about it you need to just leave it alone. But as far as obviously the rest of us that are just out
talking to to our Christian friends at work school neighborhood whatever or at a church that isn't
necessarily married to a Zionist doctrine. I mean it's really easy to prove this from the Bible.
It's really easy. You flip over to Philippians chapter three you know you flip over to Galatians
three Galatians chapter four and I mean take your pick. I mean there's so many scriptures.
You can grab any of these new IFB sermons on this subject and get so much ammo but I mean
if I showed someone Philippians three Galatians three Galatians four and they're still not getting
it you know then at that point I would probably just think well this person doesn't really care
about truth because it's so clear it's so obvious. Yeah I think Galatians three is probably my
favorite personally just because it kind of deals with the Abraham issue and the Genesis 12 issue
and also just the end of Romans 2 I think is kind of an important distinction that the Bible's
making between the physical Jew and the spiritual Jew and so you know I think just be like hey
here's marching to Zion you know that's the best way to convert somebody. Romans 9 yeah yeah you
know the marching to Zion films, Romans chapter 9 because Romans 9 10 and 11 are like a trilogy
and I mean if you read through Romans 10 9 10 and 11 I mean there's there's so many great verses
there. I just think for someone that's new to this doctrine Romans 9 is a little harder for them
so I like your original suggestions like Philippians 3 or Galatians 3 to start. Yeah I mean if you're
looking for just a quick punchy verse I mean to me Philippians 3 is just Philippians 3 what is
it verses 3 and 4 or whatever it is I mean it's just Philippians 3 3 I mean it's just bam there
it is I also like in moments 2 the book of Acts in the book of Acts when the apostle Paul says like
you've judged yourselves unworthy of everlasting life like that's a that's a group of people that
no one's going to question whether or not they're Jews but but we see like they're not going to get
saved they're not God's chosen people I mean heck John's chapter 6 it's a great passage where
where Jesus is like explaining how they're not really the children of God I mean I think that
there's a lot of passages or is it John 8 it's like basically the gospel of John yeah the the
gospel of John is is really strong on this obviously it's it's John chapter 8 that you're
referring to yeah I was miss miss spoke about that yeah but I mean hey John 6 is a great chapter too
but you know John 8 is greglin and um Romans 11 verse 7 you know just goes to show that like
Israel and the elect yeah are not the same group no that's a good I mean that's a good one I mean
you could go to all the statements that Jesus I mean I mean you could go to John the Baptist
and Mark chapter or excuse me Matthew chapter 3 right at the beginning of the new testament the
first sermon anybody preaches in the new testament Matthew chapter 3 and he's saying think not to say
within yourselves we have Abraham to our father you know I say unto you that God's able of these
stones to raise up children unto Abraham I mean it's just it's on every page I want to go to my
Twitter real quick while we're doing this we have another caller too that I want to get to but
I want to see if you can put my Twitter because I did a poll and then and then someone asked a
question and I kind of want to talk about this since we're bringing this subject up but I just
kind of put a poll obviously this is probably like our echo chamber or whatever but your ex
page yeah may be slanted one way on this issue well you know just scroll down just a hair oh
you know you probably have to be logged in well first thing that shows up pedophile faggot you're
gonna have to be logged in okay sorry because if you're not logged in you're gonna see my old
posts yeah this is where russian the same word for pedophile is the same word for faggot so it
just says like you know if you put this in google translate it says in russian pedophile pedophile
so it's just it's interesting how that word's the exact same word in russian but okay well
pastor anderson i think before like right before that caller from san antonio it seemed like you
were about ready to say something do you remember what it was or is it too late did it did it leave
you okay never mind sorry sorry i'm not sure if they can pull this up or not but i just wanted
to give you a chance to say okay so the the poll i had a poll and it was basically what does the
bible say about jews and in the poll um it basically gave four answers they're god-chosen people
they're god-chosen people teaches zionism or the synagogue of satan the replacement theology
or i don't know but they suck and then our greatest ally and and really it's a it's pretty
heavily favored uh poll here it looks like 91.5 percent currently are on synagogue of satan seven
percent for i don't know one percent for our greatest ally no one picked god's chosen people so
i guess our audience is uh kind of not accepting zion it looks like zionism is dying okay there's
my answer according to that poll but there's there was someone asked a question on this and
they said i hate the term quote replacement theology because it is just one continuous gospel
and they weren't replaced just cut off and and i think that would be a good you know some some
response to kind of uh talk about here for a second and my i did reply i just said well doesn't
the spiritual nation of the new testament replace the physical nation and also the old
testament is replaced with the new the spirit reduce replaced with replaces the physical jew
um i personally have nothing against the term replacement theology i think that it um
describes in a certain sense what did happen because i don't believe there's still a physical
nation anymore i think that with the new testament there's only a spiritual nation and
that for a lack of a better word it it replaced that physical nation how do you feel about this
term replacement theology pastor anderson well i absolutely love that term you know and the thing
is that i've sat down with reformed types and you know they really go deep on theology and everything
and they're like differentiating between covenant theology and replacement theology and like these
nuances and everything like that and when i've heard people who say that they don't believe in
replacement theology but they do believe in covenant theology explain to me the difference
to me i always walk away saying well both are right because the bible does teach both because
you have a clear verse that says the kingdom of god shall be taken from you and given to a
nation bringing forth the fruits there that's replacement you know it's just it's taken from
one and given to another they've been replaced but then you have romans chapter 11 talking about
basically the christ rejecting jews are kind of broken off of the olive tree and then the
believing gentiles are graphed into the olive tree so then that's kind of this idea that i think that
the commenter prefers he prefers to think of it as this kind of continuous olive tree certain branches
are broken off other branches are graphed in but it's kind of just one continuous stream and frankly
the bible teaches both because there's no difference between the two it's just two different ways of
explaining the reality two different parables two different explanations that arrive at the same
conclusion it used to be the physical nation of israel now it's spiritual nation made of all
believers some people though erroneously will think that nothing has changed with this regard
that oh well in the old testament was a spiritual nation also it was never a physical nation that's
just not true in the old testament the physical nation of israel was god's chosen people in that
sense there was a physical nation that he was dealing with in a special way whereas there isn't
now and that's one of the big differences between old testament and new testament and you also
bring up a great point about replacement that it's not even just that uh you know christians
have replaced israel but that it's also that the new testament has replaced the old testament
okay and again when we say that we're not talking about the the the text of the bible because
obviously we still believe and preach from the old testament scriptures okay but when we talk about
the new covenant replacing the old covenant the old testament the old covenant is no longer in
force it has been replaced by the new covenant and hebrews chapter 8 verse 13 makes that crystal
clear when it says and that he sayeth the new covenant he hath made the first old now that
which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away and of course covenant and testament are
synonymous they mean the exact same thing they're used interchangeably in the bible so the old
testament is no longer in effect it's been replaced by the new testament sometimes this
doctrine is called supercessionism you know they have these fancy words for it supercessionism
supercessionism you know or whatever but uh you know whatever the term but the bottom line is
that you know i will continue to use the term replacement theology i think is a great term
the thing that i like the most about it is is how it makes the other side's head explode
it's like saying donald trump or something well i like to embrace the terms that people use to
attack us you know if you think about it they were first called christians in the bible by other
people by outsiders you know they were called christians you know uh we've often been called
things or criticized for things and i like to just turn around and just own those things like
yeah you guys are easy believism yeah that's right it's easy to get saved it's simply believing
what about this amen what about the term elect were the physical israelites elect in the old
testament well i think it's just somewhere and somewhere that's what it says like they're not
all israel which are of israel and i think that's where the confusion comes in yeah you obviously
when it comes to there's an individual elect but then there's also just like an elect nation elect
just means chosen so yeah i agree with pastor shelly that yeah okay when it comes to their
personal salvation some are elect and some are not but when it comes to was the old testament
nation of israel elect absolutely because if they're the chosen people that's chosen and
elect are the same word right so if if you try to make chosen and elect be two different things
then you know that's an error right there because because chosen and elect are the same thing so
so if they're if they're the chosen people in the old testament if they're a chosen nation
if god chose abraham and isaac and jacob and chose this nation for whatever reason
then in that sense they're elect are they elect when it comes to their salvation obviously that's
an individual basis then it's an individual basis now but the difference is that in the old testament
you had a chosen nation that was a physical nation of israel whereas nowadays the chosen
nation is made up of the saved so basically nowadays you're if you're if you're elect in
the sense of being saved you're also elected in the sense of being part of the chosen nation
whereas in the old testament personal salvation and the corporate choosing of the nation were
two separate things now in the new testament they're the same thing hopefully that made sense
and i got that yeah i like i like the term replacement theology number one because i
think people know what we're talking about and another thing that i like about it is
it's accurate because in the old testament if i'm a gentile and i got saved then there's this
expectation to kind of join the nation of israel to get circumcised and be a part of this physical
nation to keep the Passover and to do the feast so even in the old testament it's not like gentiles
couldn't get saved or couldn't join themselves under the physical nation but there's this
expectation to serve god that comes with the physical nation itself and of course i'm ignoring
like the the diaspora of the Babylonian captivity or something but just generally speaking if you
wanted to serve god in the old testament whether you're jew or gentile you would join the nation
of israel and you'd get physically circumcised and you would observe the Passover whereas in the new
testament if i get saved i don't join a physical nation i'm already a part of the spiritual nation
and so we can see that the replacement in a sense in a context is about a physical nation
versus a spiritual nation and the place to serve god in the new testament is the local church
whereas in the old testament of course they they could worship afar but they had the temple they
had other locations they're supposed to go to jerusalem for certain feasts or certain
special holidays but now in the new testament we have a spiritual nation of all believers
and essentially we have the new testament church as the place of worship where we would go and
worship god together in the congregation and so i don't know how you could really get away from
the terminology of replacement there when it comes to the idea of the being grafted into the olive
tree i just look at that as being a part of the family of christ and that once you believe you're
of the seat of abraham and so yeah in that context there's no replacement it's not like
some jewish spot i have to take over or something like that what but there is something that was
replaced it is the old testament nation of israel with the spiritual nation and then there is the
old covenant which the promises that were made for that physical nation have been replaced with
the new promises of the new covenant which is a new testament it's better testament according
to the bible and some people believe in dual covenant theology and i think that replacement
theology makes it clear how we contrast we don't believe that the old testament is still effect
or going but it's been replaced by the new testament specifically and so i i love that term
do you like that term i think i think what i was trying to articulate earlier this andrew
sluter thing where the old covenant is like in abeyance but then it'll return back and during
the millennium or there'll be some kind of third covenant for the jews or something like that it's
total nonsense but i i totally agree with what you're saying and just to add the scripture that
popped into my mind in first peter chapter two in verse nine where it says but ye are a chosen
generation a royal priesthood and holy nation a peculiar people which should show forth the
praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light which in time past were
not a people but are now the people of god which had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy
so you have a group of people who were not regarded as chosen in the old testament but
in the new testament the only catalyst for that is to believe on the lord jesus christ that's one
of the many reasons why the new testament is better is that if you believe on the lord jesus
christ you're part of the spiritual nation whereas in the old testament to be part of that chosen
nation it was more than just believing i mean if you believe you're saved yeah but you had to get
circumcised you had to physically move there immigrate there and actually you know follow
those laws let's take another quick caller as we wrap up we have brother ajay on the line from
chicago and he wanted to ask a question about zionism as well ajay how's it going good you
guys hear me yes sir loud and clear all right so uh my question was uh i recently saw on the
internet a series of posts um like kind of people that are against zionism saying that the masoretic
text was corrupted by the jews and stuff and obviously i don't think that's correct i believe
the masoretic text is the preserved word of god and i kind of wanted to hear what you guys you
know have to say about that if there was any good resources that would defend the masoretic text and
you know the validity of those jewish conspiracies against the scriptures i think pastor anderson is
probably more of an expert on this issue than i am but you know from my understanding there's
not necessarily going to be corroborating evidence of the masoretic text that we can
just all just scientifically just say this is it i think it's it's kind of an argument from faith
in essence that you know there's this this argument between the hebrew text and the greek text
really goes back a long time ago i mean even with gerome uh when he was writing the bible in the
latin is arguing i think with origin and some other individuals on should we use the septuagint
or use the hebrew and so you know fast forward another 1700 years and we're still having this
particular argument i think that we have to rely on what the text says about the bible and a lot
of the bible's verses on preservation were in hebrew when we think about psalm 12 six and seven
we think about forever thy word is settled in heaven we think about isaiah
what is it isaiah 50 59 59 yeah when it talks about how the words are not going to depart out
of his mouth i mean these are hebrew texts that had those verses in them so you know to me it's
either you believe that or you don't jesus make reference to jot or tittle yeah jot or tittle
new testament that's a good point um to well be fulfilled i kind of i kind of recommended
to pastor anderson to preach a sermon on this subject like about the hebrew and the greek being
preserved specifically and all the internal evidences um i'm sure you have a lot of thoughts
there what are kind of your opinions on this subject yeah i mean first of all this isn't even
really a serious debate at all because it's already so settled and if you walk into any book store in
america and grab any english bible off the shelf 100 percent of them are translating from the
masoretic hebrew text in the old testament it's just that simple because you know there's nothing
special about the masoretic hebrew that's just it's just the hebrew text that's the hebrew bible
so people who are saying that the hebrew text is corrupt are saying that we should instead be
using the greek septuagint okay and the thing about that is that like i said no english bible
is using the greek septuagint as its old testament basis because it's pretty obvious and clear to
everyone who actually knows what they're talking about that the septuagint is inferior to the hebrew
bible in every way and so you know again you get some bozos on the internet bringing up this debate
or talking about this but amongst people that are serious you know you're not really going to find
this being up for debate you know the modern versions unfortunately will think that the hebrew
text is corrupt in certain places and and maybe like correct it here and there from the greek
septuagint but and of course they're wrong to do so because obviously the hebrew text has been
preserved by god and kept pure in every generation but again you know actually going all the way over
to the greek septuagint as your old testament text is just something that virtually no one wants to do
that actually cares about and reads the bible because it's it's an absurd proposition uh now
and as far as going back to the debate it was it was between jerome and augustin augustin augustin
i'm sorry i misspoke yeah so augustin did believe that the septuagint should be the basis for our
old testament and jerome was pushing for the original hebrew jerome won the argument and the
latin vulgate ended up being translated from the original hebrew as far as it being corrupted by
jews or something that it's just a it's just a dumb silly talking point of bozos on the internet
they're probably also flat earth or whatever it's just it's kind of just a dumb thing it's not really
i'm serious it's just not really a serious thing it's not even and again but as but as far as the
evidence that they're wrong christ said one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law to
all be fulfilled and that is a reference to the hebrew text because the jot is referring to the
letter yod which is one of the letters of the hebrew alphabet it's the smallest letter of the hebrew
alphabet as far as physically how much room it takes up on the page and then the tittle is
literally the the the greek word underlying our english word tittle there in the bible it literally
means horn like h-o-r-n and it's basically the distinguishing marks that go on hebrew letters
to differentiate two similar letters from one another so they have this little uh kareya or horn
or tittle that differentiates one letter from another so jesus is clearly talking about the
preservation of the hebrew text and like i said if all christians virtually that are actually saved
and actually preaching the gospel for the last many centuries or even millennia have all been
using the hebrew text in the old testament and then we're just going to switch now in 2024 because
some guy on the internet says there's a jewish conspiracy to corrupt it okay because who who
has used the septuagint over the last few millennia you know a bunch of false teaching corrupt uh
churches and they're not english speaking so you know it's it's not an english bible but you know
yeah the the greek orthodox or something you know but when it comes to actual saved evangelicals
baptists the whole history of america everybody's been reading and preaching from and you know being
blessed by the hebrew old testament translated into english in the form of our king james bible
and so you know it's it's a silly argument it doesn't mean anybody can just say whatever
they want and just oh yeah well you know it's actually the greek you know i could just say
well no it's it's it's the ethiopic it's the only right one i know the hebrew is bad it's
got to be latin you can just make things up but at the end of the day we all know the bible was
originally written in hebrew in the old testament greek in the new testament and it's been
providentially preserved and kept pure in all ages it's that simple it's interesting how you
bring up there are some i guess isolated places in the old testament where they appeal to the
septuagint and it's kind of funny to me because the critical text people want to reject first
john 5 7 supposedly on the grounds that there is insufficient evidence for it in the greek but then
their bibles will like completely leave the hebrew in some places unless i'm wrong about that pastor
inderson if you want to clarify but you're right about that yeah it appears that they
in the old testament in some areas will appeal to the septuagint rather than the hebrew well
and it makes absolutely no sense to say that the to say that the translation is superior to the
original because you know the greek septuagint is translated from the hebrew bible and what you'd
have to believe is you'd have to believe that basically the real hebrew bible has ceased to
exist and that all we have is just a corrupt hebrew bible but that the greek translation
from a hebrew text that no longer exists is where god has preserved his word and funny how virtually
the only people who are using it are unsaved people yeah that is like you'd really have to
believe some wild things in order to believe that god preserved the tradition but he didn't preserve
the original and it's a translation that you know state people don't use yeah and my whole point was
my whole point was if you if you need evidence in the original languages in the greek and hebrew
if you need evidence for first john 5 7 in the greek then why do you also accept readings that
totally depart from the original language in the old testament that was kind of my thing but yeah
i that's very uh interesting that you bring up well it's a good question it's exactly what
they're doing you know they are being hypocrites and selectively deciding you know when they're
going to go with the majority and when they're going to go with minority readings it's a good
question and you know some of these battles are kind of like an every generation battle it seems
like like i said i kind of mentioned back how in the past there's been a critical text fight
and it just keeps going and hopefully even though i don't know if it'll ever go away completely
at least maybe we can kind of diminish the enemy on these issues you know whether it be
which text to use or or zionism and i personally think the zionism is is really um in a bad place
they're up against the ropes i think that the more and more that we talk about these things make
documentaries but even just the normies are starting to kind of wake up and i want to play
one more clip here just because i kind of find it funny but at charlie kirk one of his events
somebody just came up and asked him some questions but i just thought that this was a really funny
troll because here's the thing if you if you mention jews or anti-semitism or any of this
kind of stuff um or question anything charlie kirk will just throw you out of his event so you
have to kind of you kind of have to be coy but it's kind of funny how even even when they're
throwing people out people like this sneak in there and and see if you can kind of catch the uh i'll
ask you ben after this see if you can kind of catch what this guy was getting at what a racist
question that was quick and fun lighthearted question for you charlie uh so i know you gave
a speech in jerusalem early this year yes i did uh were there any like awesome fun dance parties
that you guys had afterwards because i heard that israelis are some of the best dancers in the world
i mean if you guys don't believe me just google dancing israelis it's insane
would you agree or disagree with that israel is a beautiful country a great country too
yes they're our greatest ally correct thanks for being here tonight next question
thank you for being here tonight next question that's awesome yeah i got that i think you
should i think you should what should we do then uh i mean i don't know you tell me google dancing
oh that's right yeah yeah yeah what will that lead me to the dancing israelis uh could lead
you down a very interesting rabbit hole without question i feel like we have an episode coming up
that's going to talk about this september the 10th mark your calendars as we may actually
go down the rabbit hole ourselves here on the baptist bias and talk about dancing israelis
for a little while in the israeli connection in 9 11 well it well i'm excited about our show because
we actually have a special guest that's going to be coming on uh richard gage the he was originally
with the architects and engineers group i think he spun off and has his own group now but um
somebody has been instrumental in 9 11 and some of the stuff that's going on there but 9 11 is
still relevant in the context of you know zionism and what's going on and so i think it'll be a fun
show yeah i don't know that you'll catch him saying the jews did 9 11 or anything but he'll
definitely give you a perspective on it from an architectural side and and kind of talk about that
aspect so it'll be fun have you ever uh googled dancing israelis pastor anderson
yeah i mean i've i've seen that's old school man
he's been there done that oh adl already has an article about this so
they were there to film now i like your clip there's some clip of you that got clipped out
where some guy visits your church and he's like arguing with you about like war or something like
that and you're like i thought the lord brought you here about 9/11 do you remember what i'm talking
about somebody in the crowd was offended at your sermon about chris kyle the american sniper because
you were preaching against him for killing people in the middle east and he got mad about it and
then 9/11 was brought up and he said 9/11 was the justification to go to iraq and then you kind of
red pill you know we're talking about oh yeah absolutely i basically i'm preaching and this
guy kind of starts to like you know heckle me from the crowd or argue with me and and i just
decided to kind of go back and forth with the guy and and just kind of just have a civil discussion
with the guy during the sermon so i kind of just i'm just kind of interacting with the guy and you
know it ended up uh amicably like i ended up talking to the guy after the service and he was
like agreeing with me and stuff like so he kind of he kind of ended up coming over to my side actually
that's good even though he kind of like got upset during the sermon and like interrupted the sermon
and everything i kind of just chose to turn it into a teaching moment and and and yeah like i
said the guy the guy ended up being cool afterward and and actually uh coming over to my side but at
one point the the the highlight was when i asked and and we back then we had a camera in the back
that could view like the entire crowd and i'm like how many people in here believe the official
version on 9/11 yeah i remember that no one answered and then i'm like how many people
believe that 9/11 was an inside job and literally just like 200 200 hands go up and i'm just like
hey look around man you know and i i think i heard some guy shout like wake up or something
some somebody got a little rambunctious in the crowd there that's funny yeah so it was it was
just kind of a famous little 10 20 second clip for a while just showing the raise of hands
yeah it was going on i mean that was funny that would be we should we should do that sample poll
at greg lox church i'd be interested to see what the response is israelis or what yeah how many
here believe the official story of 9/11 that would be a funny thing to do in his church just to see
what he what would happen but now thank you so much for coming on the show i think uh i think
we've made it clear zionism's not going the right direction and uh that's a good thing it's a good
thing that the truth is rising and even more normal people i think that a lot of christians
and fundamental baptists need to realize that their congregations a lot of these younger people
they're not they're not really falling for the 1948 anymore and we need to look to the bible for
what we believe on these issues before we sign off is there anything you want to plug uh what's
your what's your rumble or how do they find your website pastor i don't even know anymore man i
can't even find my own preaching anymore but no obviously if you go to rumble you can type in
pastor stephen anderson faithful word baptist church it all comes up on rumble but the thing
that i would like to plug the most is probably just our missions conference in november you know
we got a great missions conference coming up um november six through tenth and uh we're gonna
have uh in fact you're gonna be there pastor schille you're gonna be preaching on friday night
and uh you know i mean at the end of the day we're all about winning people to christ you know and we
we just want to get people saved we just want to preach the gospel of jesus christ all over the
world and here in america and you know we want to get everybody saved whether they're jews muslims
hindus atheists whatever want to get them saved we love people we love the lost and you know the
missions conference i think is a really fun conference it's a lot of really uplifting
edifying preaching it's really motivating to get out and and and want to get people saved afterward
and so yeah just i want to plug one other thing for you because you're coming to houston friday
you're preaching at pure words baptist church this friday what is this day august 23rd august 23rd
yeah 7 p.m pure words baptist church they're actually moving their midweek service to friday
so instead of having it on thursday like they normally do we're just gonna move it to friday
pastor anderson is going to be coming and preaching and this is a great opportunity to visit
pure words baptist church september 1st i'm going to be ordaining brother salvador alvarez as the
pastor of pure words and letting go and allowing them to be independent it'll still be pure words
baptist church but i'll just no longer be the pastor it'll be pastor salvador alvarez and
here's a great opportunity to hear pastor anderson preach in houston so if you're
anywhere in texas houston go check it out pure words baptist church the address is 14567
main street houston proper so we'd love for you to come out there and visit again 14567 main street
you can go to pure words baptist.com and you can check that out as well um is there anything you
wanted to plug ben before we sign off no all i want to say is that the inspiration for tonight's
show was simply that there seems to be a cultural shift on this issue amongst some of these political
personalities we noticed it tucker carlson has been asking questions lately we heard the clips
from kandace owens and so it sparked the question is zionism dying i think it'll always be around
going into the end times but i do think a growing number of these political people and some of these
influencers are beginning to notice some things and that's a good thing as far as our fundamental
baptist brethren who i love i'm just curious how many generations of jews have to die and go to
hell before they also start to ask some questions before they also start to realize that this
narrative that they came to back to the land and unbelief and would one day be turned to belief
again is dubious at best that's what i'm trying to figure out here and hopefully they will
repent and get this thing right soon but regardless i think it was an interesting
discussion tonight we talked about the theological aspect we talked about the cultural aspect
and i enjoyed hearing your perspective pastor shelley and and also pastor anderson's perspective
as well on this you guys bring an educated uh background and a lot of knowledge on the subject
matter well thanks again so much to our special guest pastor anderson for coming on the show
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