"My soul created, up to the dust, quickened out into the sky"
are being stabbed, shot at, ragged, trans-awareness events are happening across the country, human
trafficking is skyrocketing as a result of non-existent border policies, abortion is
still widespread, people are being shot, stabbed, punched and beaten to death all over the country,
conservatives are being censored, shadow-banned, cancelled and defunded, American taxpayers
are experiencing unprecedented inflation to fund endless foreign wars.
As if all that wasn't enough, the Fed is jacking up interest rates, causing a meal as simple
as burger and fries to cost 25 bucks.
Don't worry, the mighty GOP is here to save the day with their bipartisan Anti-Semitism
Awareness Act.
Because you see, of all the issues plaguing America, the top priority of the Republican
Party is Jews.
Specifically, the House bill proposed to define anti-Semitism.
Because somewhere, an anti-Semite almost swerved in the direction of a Jew.
No, seriously.
It actually happened, and this type of malice hasn't been displayed since 1940s Germany.
In fact, the ADL just released information saying there's been six million anti-Semitic
attacks in the recent year.
The only way to save America is to ban the phrase "the Jews killed Jesus."
That'll curb inflation.
You have to wonder, what else could this bill lead to?
What will be the domino effect?
Perhaps a mandatory bowing of the knee to the Israeli flag in all public schools.
The complete redaction of passages critical of the Jews in newly published SPLC endorsed
Bibles.
The imprisonment of dissidents who teach dangerous doctrines like replacement theology or salvation
by faith in Jesus Christ alone.
Billions of dollars spent as direct aid to Israel.
Actually, I don't know how to think about it.
It's been happening since World War II.
Let's see.
Chuckie Schumer's face on a newly designed hundred dollar bill.
Forcing all Americans to personally bow and worship every Jew they come in contact with.
Maybe they'll ask us even to build better sewer systems in New York.
It would be rabidly anti-Semitic after all to not afford Jews a decent walkway in those
tunnels.
You say, that's far-fetched.
That's just a conspiracy theory, honestly.
Only hateful bigots who wear tinfoil hats are nervous about all this.
Perhaps you've been listening to too much Alex Jones.
Hey, you're worried about a coming one-world government.
I say, is it not already here?
Perhaps it's time for you to wake up and get the Baptist Bias.
Thanks, everybody, for joining us for the Baptist Bias.
I'm your host, Pastor Shelley.
This could be our last broadcast ever, Ben.
What do you think?
If we say that every week, every single broadcast, every single episode, perhaps someone somewhere
will finally start to believe it.
Well, of course, if we say it every show, it eventually will be our last show, right?
It's got to keep repeating it.
Or is this going to be forever?
No.
Just every week.
Will we have the Baptist Bias in the Millennial Reign?
I would sure hope so.
I would like to have it in the Millennial Reign.
I think that we would have probably the greatest episodes we've ever done by far if we had
it in the Millennial Reign.
Do you think we could get Jesus as a guest on our show?
I would love to have him. But hey, I think we already do because you have a King James
Bible right here on this table. That's a good point. We're hoping that we have a guest this
evening all the way across the world. I don't know how difficult that is, but we have someone
in Australia and it's actually Wednesday over there. He's coming to us from across the globe.
In the pond? It's not the pond. No, not the pond. It's across the sphere. Across the sphere
of the Earth. It's another hemisphere, even. Another hemisphere, that's right. I guess
this is a good time to shamelessly plug. Next Tuesday night, we are going to have a debate
on the Baptist bias on the shape of the Earth, a flat Earth debate. Now, here's the thing.
It's really frustrating to admit that I'm even going to have this discussion because
I think a lot of people are just like, why in the world did Pastor Shelley have this
discussion? I mean, have you heard something like that? Have you seen anything like that?
I've thought it. Okay. And I get it because honestly, it's like, why even validate such
insane narrative, such an insane idea? Well, I think this is what I was thinking, Ben.
It's kind of like the same reason that people go to the zoo. They just kind of want to watch
animals do their crazy animal things. And it's not like they're expecting the animals to
become humans or have rational thoughts. They want to see them be animals. And I think that
some people find it fascinating to watch mentally handicapped individuals who are not even actually
retarded be mentally handicapped. I think that it's just fascinating to watch people
deny reality. And again, I don't think that the vast majority of flat earthers are somebody
that would be willing to change their mind. But I think what would be cool is to have
a discussion just to show how people can have such a strong delusion. And I think it's also
important to show that you can be a conspiracy theorist and not subscribe to the literally
dumbest thing I've probably heard. I don't know. What are your thoughts on that?
Well, it's important, I think, to expose their folly and their delusion, ultimately,
Pastor Shelley, because I do believe they are under some kind of delusion to believe
what they believe, and I would also argue, and you have said this yourself, that flat
earthers are either stupid, wicked, or both.
Yeah, I mean, again, it's so easy. All it takes is 30 seconds. You could go on YouTube
right now. There's 30-second videos that debunk it. There's one-minute videos that debunk
it. There's two-minute videos that debunk it. There's 10-minute videos that debunk
it. There's hour-long videos that debunk it. It really isn't something like you can't
find information that's very clear, concise, scientific, reasonable. It's just that individuals
just really are kind of afraid to change their mind or acquiesce or believe that the government
hasn't lied about everything. I think that there's this attitude of like once you start
realizing how much the government's lied about, that you almost go to like a hundred
percent and that's just not healthy to necessarily go that far, that extreme. Do you feel like
maybe when you first heard about the government lying or some conspiracy theories that maybe
it caused you to be skeptical of almost everything the government's saying?
I think it did cause me to go perhaps a little too overboard, but I never went to the extreme
of not realizing that the shape of the planet that I live on is in fact a sphere and I never
would. However-
I didn't even think these people were real. Like I'll just be honest with you, I thought
all of them were trolls. I thought so as well. And it's fascinating that people genuinely
seem to believe in this stuff, but you know, this delusion exists in other places, right?
People think 2+2=4 is racist. People believe that nothing exploded and created everything.
Hell, I think 1+1=2 is racist as well. Yeah, of course. People think that gender is a construct.
And some people, you know, just they don't even believe that flights to certain parts
of the country even exist. They are skeptical. But here's the thing, I can attest. I have
flown to Australia. It's a real place. Is it legitimate? I've been there. And we even
have a guest, is in Australia right now. It's Nick Holt. He's going to be joining us on
the show. Hey, Nick, how's it going? Hey, yeah, really good. My apologies for being
late. Maybe it is something to do with the flat earth. I was out by an hour. No worries.
This took a while for the ether to carry those radio waves or something. Yeah, that's right.
No, it's great to have you on the show. And tell us a little bit about yourself because
I think our audience specifically isn't necessarily familiar with you, but you have a podcast
yourself. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Sure. Yeah. So I'm a writer and journalist by trade. I've been doing that for about
15 years. I started out as a music journalist back in 2007, 2008, music and culture. And
then I progressed into covering more hard news over the years. My podcast sort of took
off during COVID because I was very skeptical from essentially day one when Chinese people
started collapsing on the streets of China and they were telling us that this was because
of a virus. So I started a podcast essentially from a purely objective journalistic point
of view to interview experts who were being maligned in this country. So economists and
health experts who were sort of saying the same thing that I was thinking, which was
why are we, this is nuts. We shouldn't be doing things like lockdown. This is just crazy.
So I entered that area. And then I sort of became a segue for Australians to get information
about Trump and other candidates around Trump. So I interviewed Curry Lake. I covered George
Papadopoulos being spied on by one of our politicians in this country. So generally,
I've covered things where I've seen clear malfeasance and corruption in the Australian
government. And then as a result, I've looked to see ways where that's tied into the US
because I've always been fascinated and I love the United States of America. I think
it's the best country in the world.
Have you ever visited America?
I've been there about probably 10 times.
Okay. Yeah. I mean, not to be an American exceptionalist, but it seems like I've seen
a lot of news reports from Australia specifically covering events that are happening in America
a lot of things about Trump.
And in fact, some people even argued that the Australian news was more reliable than
the American news when it came to covering a lot of these controversial topics, especially
in the last few years.
I can't remember the news station, but maybe it's like Sydney, something specific.
I'm trying to remember.
There's like a specific, or Australian news, there's some news organization that it seems
like they've covered a lot of things with Trump and it seems like they're able to speak
a little freely.
Yeah.
Maybe it's Sky News Australia or something like that.
I don't know.
What is your view?
Yeah.
Sky is kind of like our Fox.
Yeah.
Sky is our Fox News because it's also owned by Fox.
Oh, really?
I didn't know that.
But it's not a mainstream.
Yeah.
So it's not a mainstream station.
I would actually argue the other way that Australia is actually, in terms of fake news,
is worse than America because we really only have six stations and those stations are all
kind of saying the same sort of globalist narratives.
So when it comes to things like the riot at the Capitol, they're just going to reprint
the same headlines that are happening on New York Times, those sorts of things.
So we don't have a lot of diversity.
We have a very big, I mean, journalism is almost non-existent in this country.
Well, I would argue that America only has one news station and it's the Associated Press.
What do you think about that, Ben?
Evidently, I mean, if you want to get your news, I guess that's your one option considering
everyone else just copies their article and pastes it on their website.
Yeah, you've seen those YouTube videos where they have someone giving them the news and
then they have like another news station saying the exact same thing and it's like 30 news
anchors just saying the exact same story, the same, like, emphasis even almost.
It's like those are crazy videos.
Have you seen those, Nick?
Yeah, yeah.
They're compilations.
They're classic.
They're just given a script.
Right.
So, you know, even if you have six over there, which is an interesting number, it might
just be that y'all are the same as us.
There's one news media station giving us all the same news.
But no, I'm really interested to learn more about Australia.
You had actually shared an article with me and I wanted to talk about this a little bit.
I believe you'd sent me something about Elon Musk dubbing a particular senator over in
your part of the world, the enemy of the people.
I don't even know how to pronounce this guy's or girl's name.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Jackie Lambie.
This is a lady, right?
I think so.
Let's watch this video and then you can tell us a little bit about it.
Enemy of the people, that's how Elon Musk has described Jackie Lambie as the war of
words between Musk and Australia intensifies.
But does Elon Musk know what he's getting himself into?
And the crap he puts over that ex, I'll tell you what, it has gone far enough.
Not only is he a social media knob, he's also a social media liar.
I'm sick of it.
I hate bullies.
Billionaire bullies.
Can't stand them.
After days of verbal sniping between Australian leaders and noted Wario impersonator Elon
Musk.
People assault men.
They're online.
Tassie Senator Jackie Lambie decided it was time to pour some water on the fire.
He has absolutely no social conscience.
Someone like that should be in jail and the key be thrown away.
Sorry, not water.
The other thing.
Petrol.
Someone like that should be in jail.
And the guy known for trying to phase out petrol wasn't having it.
She is an enemy of the people of Australia.
The argument stems from Musk's refusal to remove graphic video of the Sydney church
stabbing from his platform.
Australia's e-safety commissioner demanded it be taken down.
Musk said that was a violation of free speech.
We'll do what's necessary to take on this arrogant billionaire who thinks he's above
the law.
Now Lambi has deleted her Twitter account, I mean her ex account, and encouraged other
pollies to become ex ex users.
I'll be switching off ex today and I suggest that the other 226 members of parliament do
the same thing and show them that you mean business.
This woman has utter contempt for the Australian people.
But someone might want to word Musk up that any time a big US citizen tries it on with
an Aussie polly, it doesn't usually work out well for them.
It's time that pistol and boo bug it off back to the United States.
In 2015, it was Agri Minister Barnaby Joyce going aggro at dog smugglers Johnny Depp
and Amber Heard, who flaunted quarantine laws.
Mr. Depp has to either take his dogs back to California or we're going to have to euthanize
them.
The movie star is eventually recording an apology video with a convincing hostage aesthetic.
Is this like a different news story now?
This is interesting, but just pause it for a moment.
So is that all I was going to cover about Elon?
That was really interesting that she said that he needed to go to jail.
I'm kind of interested what charges are brought on Elon there.
Yeah.
I mean, look, if you're familiar with Plato's Republic and the idea of how much he despised
democracy and warned that democracy is basically, you know, the final stage before everything
sort of descends into a dictatorship, it's because idiots are running the show.
And Australia is now just run by some of the dumbest and most incompetent people in the
southern hemisphere.
And I sent you that video because that's one of the dumbest news programs that they exhibited
some of the dumbest politicians, including our prime minister.
It really is like an episode of The Simpsons now.
These people are completely out of control.
It made me think of TMZ.
I don't know if you even know what that organization is.
But it's like the news, it's like they're showing Wario clips and they're showing like
an SNL skit with Elon Musk and then it's like, "He needs to go to jail."
This is just bizarre.
Have you ever even heard of this?
The crazy thing is that - sorry, go ahead.
Have you heard of something like this, Ben?
Well no, but I think when it comes to X and some of these lunatic nutjobs like Jackie
there from the video package, if they're all going to leave that platform, to me, it makes
it that much more attractive for me and it makes it that much more normal.
So I say, go ahead, pack your bags and get off there if it's so triggering for you.
I feel like you can never trust a woman.
So when they say like, "You better do this or I'm going to leave."
And you're like, "Fine."
And they're like, "Well, I'm not going to leave now."
You know, it's like as soon as everybody just says like, "We have no problem."
Hey, like all these celebrities who said they were going to be moving out of America as
soon as Donald Trump was elected in 2016 and yet they didn't.
They make the same threat and everybody's just like, "Can you just leave anyway?"
Go for it.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm guessing her, she's not being missed from X as of late.
I don't know.
No.
Of course not.
I mean, the problem is that they just have too much.
They're just used to having too much power now.
These politicians, they have so much power.
They exercise that power fairly effectively during COVID-19 and have more or less gotten
away with it.
So now they're, as I said, completely out of control and internet censorship is obviously
where they've got the crosshairs at the moment.
I don't think that people know how different things may have been in Australia compared
to the United States, but could you give us just a little sample of what the COVID lockdowns
were like over there?
Because I've heard some crazy things and of course you don't know exactly what's true
unless you're over there.
I'm just interested from your viewpoint, like what was going on when they instituted these
COVID lockdowns?
So, I mean, they were locking down entire states over one case.
And when you say state, like these things run through the middle cities, right?
A state, as in the state the size of Texas.
Right.
Wow.
They're locking everyone in their homes over one case.
In my state, seven cases.
When people, they were shutting down businesses, they were firing rubber bullets into protesters,
tear-gassing them.
It was an extraordinary exercise of government overreach and I think it was a wake-up call
to a lot of people.
Just how much Australia is, not really Australia, I mean people have this idea that Australia
was this very laid-back sovereign nation, a nice place to live, but not really.
I've always been of the opinion of the last sort of decade or so, it's been very difficult
to ascertain where the UN starts and Australia ends. We're really just a vessel state of
the UN and that became crystal clear to me during COVID-19 because that's what this
was all about. It was international government bodies like the WHO giving orders and directions
that politicians in Australia like Jackie Lambie could just say, "We're following
the advice."
I want to ask something real quick. I know that Australia had a government either buyback
or take the guns. Something happened where they kind of disarmed the people. Is that
something that people now have decided they regret? What is the cultural opinion out there
of y'all being disarmed as a people?
Yes. That happened in 1996. There was a massacre, a lone gunman, a mass shooting. The first
one really, gun violence had been on the decline in the country. But as a result of this being
plastered all over the, if you're searching for it, his name is Martin Bryant, and it
was the Port Arthur massacre.
Killed 35.
But as a result of this, yeah, so, you know, like all these mass shootings in America,
mass shootings in America constitutes 7% of all shootings, right? But it's the fact that
they plaster it around the media 24/7 and create a production around it, so that the
public is influenced emotionally, so they can bring in gun legislation and start pressuring
people that way.
And it works in a country like Australia, because we're not America. We don't have,
first of all, we're a colonised country by Britain. We don't have a constitution in
the same sense that you do, which was set up by founding fathers that were influenced
largely, most of them heavily influenced by faith. So our constitution doesn't really
mean anything. We don't have a second amendment. So most Australians are happy with it, to
be honest. It's extraordinary.
But do you feel like the culture, do you feel like people are kind of upset that maybe,
like people change their mind? Like, is there any regret from being disarmed and like going
through the COVID lockdowns? Or are people still just kind of like, no, I don't think
we should have guns, mate.
I think if you were to hold a popular vote tomorrow, you would find that overwhelmingly
people would still be in favor of that law. In fact, they'd probably want you to do, go
a step further and ban hunting knives or something. Wow. But that's like the most Australian thing
I can think of is Crocodile Dundee being like, that's not a knife. This is a knife. Like,
that's Australia. Or is this just the Hollywood propaganda? It's not. Yeah, it's not. It seems
like that's as Australian as Orange Chicken is Chinese. Go ahead. Or COVID-19 is. Well,
you bring up COVID and you have a few times already. And I wanted to ask this question,
you know, people have compared it to 9/11 in the sense that there were sweeping changes
after 9/11. Of course, you had the Patriot Act, you had the dragnet surveillance programs,
you had the TSA, and those measures remain until 2024. They remain today. Has there
been anything in Australia that you could point to that maybe comes to mind that is
still in place following the COVID-19 pandemic and perhaps will be there perpetually?
Well, it's interesting because they've actually rolled some things back in terms of vaccine
mandates. So that was the big one, I think, when a lot of people that weren't necessarily
opposed to the lockdowns that went along with it, you know, they were certainly opposed
to losing their jobs, nurses, police officers, these sorts of people. And there's been reversals
in court now of nurses and various other government jobs. So in terms of mandates, we've seen
a reversal. But I think that that question really requires, there's a deeper answer to
that which is that it's affected people psychologically, I think. You think of the damage it's done
that can't be taken back now, things like, well, everything, let's say from the mental
health crisis that they're not talking about now, the result of locking people inside their
homes for two years, kids wearing masks for two years, people missing their graduations,
delayed cancer screenings, delayed dementia screenings. You have all those things that
have certainly changed. And then you have the economic impacts that aren't being really spoken
about as well. They sort of, we've been living off modern monetary theory, which is we print money,
and they kind of broke that during COVID-19 because they paid people to not work.
So they're the things that I look at. But in terms of any kind of hard rules,
I don't think they were as successful as perhaps they thought they were going to be in that regard.
But they passed recently, or I don't know if this has been passed, or maybe this is just still in
the bill formation, but you shared another thing with me about something the Labor's
misinformation bill could jeopardize free speech online. I'm kind of curious and
interested about this article that you shared with me. What's going on with that?
Right. Yeah, so that's been in the works for a while. You know, it's both sides of our government,
left and right, are involved in this. There's been a concerted effort to try and police the internet,
I guess, policing what they consider extremism and that sort of thing. And I think if you follow
that thread, and I'm sort of starting to come to the opinion, or at least for a lot of this stuff,
based on the research I've been doing in the last five or 10 years, is that a lot of this stuff comes
back to the UN's Agenda 2030 Sustainable Goals and Targets. I don't know if you're familiar
with these things, but they have these goals and targets that they want to achieve. And it's
everything from poverty to online hate and abuse. So the Australian Government, because we don't have
the same sort of free speech protection under the Constitution that America has, is basically trying
to pass a bill that will make it possible to criminalise and prosecute people for a very loose
definition of online hate. Can you give us an example? Yeah, so we've already seen an example
of this which is misgendering. Wow. So there was a woman who just actually won a court case.
I think it's called deadnaming or something. Are you familiar with this? No, I don't think of
her as deadnaming. So a man who now identifies as a woman. This person referred to that man by his
actual name and we have this position called the e-safety commissioner. This has become a pretty big
deal. So Elon Musk, I don't know if you guys want to pull up something on this, but Elon Musk has
been in a direct fight with this woman who's quote e-safety commissioner. He's calling her the e-safety
SAR. She's actually an American citizen who now works down here. She was a CIA recruit early in
her career, Julie Inman Grant. She's taken on the role here of basically policing Australia's
internet and she's sending out cease and desist letters to people who are doing things like
naming transgender people by their old name instead of their new name. This is considered
hate speech. There's an example for you. It's pretty crazy. I'm kind of interested. If I'm
like going to order food at the fast food restaurant and the person says, "Hello, can I take your order?"
and you're like, "Yeah, I'll take some burgers, sir." You get around the corner and it's a guy
that's trying to be a girl and he says, "You misgendered me, it's ma'am." Is this now potentially
illegal? That's what I'm kind of meaning by context. Or is it in the context of only online?
Is it in person? Is there any kind of location this bill has parameters?
So this is an online bill, but you can find instances where that person would probably,
look, I don't know. I don't have any cases to cite here, so I don't know. But it's a great
question. I wouldn't be surprised if that made it to our courts. If it had clogged up our courts
for a few weeks. What about from a past tense perspective? Let's say I misgendered someone
today and then this bill comes into effect. Is this going to be like a retroactive bill?
Would this be some kind of a retroactive thing? It's another good question. I believe that
they're already doing this. I know they're already doing this because I know people that...
Are you familiar with a news site called Redux in Canada? I don't think I've heard of that, no.
So Redux covers, it's sort of, I guess I don't want to say feminism, but it is a strong kind of...
So you know there's this group now, feminists... Redux with two x's dot info. That's it, yeah.
So feminists now have a new enemy. It's not you and me. It's not us. It's trans men. Yeah,
yeah, in some instances for sure. But some of them, their new enemy is trans men,
because that's the ultimate. Sorry, men saying they're women, right? Oh, wow. That really,
that really winds them up. That gets them really furious. They do some good journalism because
they're uncovering the worst of the worst, like people who are me like, tomorrow I change my name.
Let's say I'm just convicted of a violent crime. Tomorrow, I change my name to Nicole, and I go
to a female prison, right? They're covering this sort of stuff. And Redux covered a story in
Australia about a bloke who was saying that, who claims he's a woman, who was playing on a
female soccer team here in Australia. I think I saw a news thing about that.
Yeah, causing carnage. There was like 12,000 complaints made to the Daily Mail newspaper
about people getting injured by this guy. Girls getting injured by this guy.
Didn't some journalists go there and try to ask all the girls about it?
Weren't they like asking the teammates about it? Yeah, that's right. So the Daily Mail
played by the rules and blurred out the guy's face and didn't name the person,
but Redux did. And they received an email very quickly from this e-safety commissioner.
So this is from Australia, from the e-safety commissioner, a cease and desist letter to a
Canadian journalism outlet demanding that they take that story down. And the editor of that paper
basically told them to f off. So I had her on my podcast straight away. She'd never done an
interview before. I said, let's do this straight away. I put that podcast on my Twitter account.
And within 48 hours, my blue tick, which I don't use Twitter anymore, but my blue tick back then
was taken away. I paid for it for like a year in advance. It was stripped. My visibility of posts
went down like a hundredfold. And I never got a refund from Twitter. So, you know, I don't know
exactly what the overarching agenda is. But it's clear that there's some stuff that they're
protecting here. I noticed in your one of your previous videos, you were talking about that
stabbing. For some reason, they want to protect that and bring that down. The stabbing of the
priest. That's not allowed to be shared in Australian media. Is that correct? Correct.
Because that's a lot of Islamophobia or something like that. Is that the issue?
Can't be Islamophobic in Australia, I believe. We don't know.
I think that no, we have a pastor friend. Wasn't Pastor Logan deported from Australia specifically
for saying things negatively about Islam? Pastor Logan Robertson was putting together
a documentary that was going to be an anti-Islam film from a Christian perspective and trying to
lead people to Christ. And he wanted to go and interview some Muslims, Imams or something like
that about their religion. And when the Australian government caught on not only to who he is,
but the project that he was working on, they actually did deport him from the country. I
believe to this day he has not been back, but it goes to show you. Well, they had a set up,
right? Because they had a set up because like he went to go it and like all this press shows up
and everybody's there like interviewing him and asking him provocative questions on purpose.
He went on site to try to interview someone for his film, a Muslim, and he was dragged away from
that area and deported that very day out of the country, gone, finished, done. It goes to show you
the climate over there is definitely an extreme one toward the left. Well, it seems like the
monitoring is more extreme just because over there, y'all have cameras, like almost everywhere lining
these major streets and highways. And I was told that if you speed or do something wrong, like,
they'll just get you a ticket and mail it to you right in the mail. Is that true?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's a lot of revenue. It's revenue raising. It's full on. So the reason
I brought up Agenda 2030, which sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's not. I mean,
all of the leaders of basically almost every country in the world is a member state of this.
And they meet. The first summit was in 2015. It was another big summit in 2019. They agree,
the prime ministers and the leaders agree to these goals and targets. And within these things,
there are things like safe cities, strong cities, smart cities. And you start to see words pop up,
like social cohesion. They have a blueprint for how they want. I think it's my opinion is it's a
kind of utopian socialism that they're trying to create, similar to the 1920s in the United States.
And there's this people talk about a one world government. It's not far off that it's a sort
of an emergent order, a governance system. And they have these ideas of how to make countries
safe and inclusive. And in doing so, they absolutely obliterate individualism in the process.
And they don't understand the differences in things like religion. They think all religions
are the same. And it's interesting that they protect Islam so much. I mean, it's very obvious
that the reason why they don't want that video to circulate is because a young radicalized
Islamist attacked a Orthodox Christian priest. So that doesn't surprise me.
It doesn't seem like all religions are being treated the same. It seems like every religion
but Christianity is being treated the same from my viewpoint. And I'm kind of interested,
you brought this up of the idea of this one world order or government. It almost wonders
if it's already here in the sense that it seems like a lot of these countries are all kind of
doing the same things. And I noticed today on Twitter, the owner or CEO of Rumble posted and
said that Russia has officially blocked Rumble. So I guess our Russian brethren aren't able to
watch the show tonight. Ben, what do you think? Apparently they are locked out. Yeah,
for like, they can watch us on Twitter and they can watch us on God resource. So maybe if you
know somebody in Russia, you got to share them that but that's crazy to me that rumble would
be would be banned in Russia because I'm thinking like what what threat like what content is being
put on rumble that's a threat to Soviet Russia right now that wouldn't be on YouTube because
YouTube isn't banned so in your mind do you have a guess at all like to me the only content that's
really on rumble that's like different is is mostly like anti-israel information or just simply like
certain criticisms of the government like the American government and a lot of times it's even
pro-Russia information so like I don't know I'm kind of curious what do you think Nick what why
do you think that Russia would ban rumble of all apps? Yeah I have no idea that was a surprise to
me because as you both just said I would have thought that rumble was far more sympathetic to
Russia than YouTube. Yeah they're anti-LGBT like Russia is more anti-LGBT than America is
and it seems like rumble allows for more speech against anti-LGBT against certain American policies
against Biden specifically against Israel they're just a little bit more free speech in general but
I'm like what information is being put on rumble right now that's scary for Russia that I mean what
do you think Ben? I couldn't even guess as to why rumble would be banned in Russia and it goes to
show you that our perspective on what's going on is probably skewed a little bit in the sense like
well why you know what are there maybe some bad actors in Russia is Putin you know behind this
somehow I mean it's a it's a weird deal I really don't know and if you were to tell me that of all
the platforms it would be rumble that would get banned in Russia I would call you crazy I would
think it would just be a blanket ban that they would get rid of YouTube as well and so there is
something fishy going on and maybe some sort of nefarious influence that is making an impact
over there but I really couldn't tell you exactly what's going on well you know what's interesting
to me is if if I saw every leader of every country whether that be the Russian leader European
leaders American leaders all going to a particular country like let's just say Mexico and they just
all are like bowing down and worshiping the Mary statue in Mexico or involved with the Mexican
leadership or maybe the pope or something it almost seemed like that particular individual or that
group is somehow in control or has some kind of influence over those individuals and you know it
just kind of interesting to me that if if there was any country I mean whether it's India Russia China
Australia I mean if you saw all the religious leaders going to one specific nation bowing down
and worshiping that wouldn't you think like maybe that particular group maybe has control over them
what do you think Ben? I would definitely start to believe there's something fishy going on and
that this group probably has massive influence like you're describing for sure. I mean not even
that just every like celebrity famous person rich person just all kinds of individuals in government
are just all going I mean there's Vladimir Putin right there in Israel with a small hat at the
wailing wall that's interesting to me why he was there isn't it don't they say that Russia typically
supports Iran against Israel yes supports the Islamists against Israel is that a narrative that
you kind of hear about Nick well if you are just just on on Russia and rumble one other thing to
add there is that if you remember when Russia um went into Ukraine because everyone was basically
banning Russian media wasn't rumble really the only one that was not supporting but um allowing
I guess allowing yeah yeah to my knowledge yes pretty sure that was the case yeah that's what
was going on so that's what makes the story even more bizarre yeah something about what do you think
about this idea of if every major leader is all going to the same country and all kind of seems
to acquiesce to their political and religious ideologies doesn't that seem like there's maybe
a connection there Nick what do you think uh could you give me an example of well just like
specifically you know we see a lot of individuals going to Israel visiting Israel having some kind
of a really an unconditional allegiance to that particular nation do you feel like that that
might be an indication that they might have some level of influence that's beyond other nations
oh yeah sure I don't know to what extent the politician is um you know being a chameleon
this is my has always been my major criticism of trump this is blind allegiance to to israel
um but you also see it with muslim countries as well um i mean our poli you see it with the really
you see it with the politicians that have no real you know that's saying if you if you stand
for everything you stand for nothing and you see politicians like justin trudeau trudeau and our
politician that you saw before they'll go to a muslim country and they'll wear a uh a uh whatever
um burka they'll go to india and they'll wear a turban um they're just clowns these people um
i don't i think it's just a it's weakness but i think with with israel it is showing support i
think that that's a sign of of bilateral solidarity in that case you know it's no it's no secret that
america has a very strong allegiance with israel right right and i mean you know why are all these
leaders though not going to christian churches and uh you know joining with their services i never
seen them doing that i agree with you they might go to the mosque they may go to some hindu temple
they may go to the wailing wall it doesn't seem like they have the same affinity for christianity
but specifically in our in our politics we recently had a bill that's been passed in the house
and it's basically trying to curb global anti-semitism and in fact i read a little
bit about this and it even brought up incidents that happened in australia what do you know about
this bill ben well it's the anti-semitism awareness act because apparently we all
need to be more aware that anti-semitism exists we haven't been notified of this yet
and so that's why this bill passed through the house it still has to get through the senate
and then the president so-called who doesn't know what planet he's on his handlers have to
remind him what his signature looks like and he has to sign it into law so all of that hasn't
happened yet but what this essentially does is it takes what i would consider to be an unelected
group and makes them the arbiter of what is and is not anti-semitic and uses their ruling as a
pretext to pull funding from institutions that they deem to be in violation of this law that's
essentially i think how this bill can be summarized in a real quick sound bite but to me the big story
associated with it is the slippery slope that can result from this i think it's the precedent
that's been set consequently from this bill and what it could lead to in the future more extreme
legislation that could potentially mirror some of the laws that we see over there in australia
nick what do you think about that yeah um it's a pretty crazy bill i read it the other day um and
you know it's off the back of the um ihr a bill the uh international holocaust remembrance alliance
if that's what you're talking about which i think was that is what i was referring to around 20
yeah around 2016 i think um so it's really what's wild is um the how they define what encompasses
contemporary um examples of anti-semitism um and you know this is everything like applying double
standards to israel whatever that means you know drawing comparisons to um contemporary israel
policy and the nazis and criticizing israel um denying the holocaust so flaming not only denying
the holocaust denying that it happened on the scale it did so basically saying and this is
interesting i'll give you an example to tie in australia policing the internet um i guess you
guys are familiar with elijah shafer yeah so i was on elijah's show show um a couple of months ago
and we were talking and it's a pretty loose show you know you can you can say some things and
that's a nice way to word his character so yeah and i i love having and i have my whole life i love
having conversations for the sake of having conversations you know there's no right or
wrong let's just i i think there's nothing more there's no such thing as dangerous speech there's
only the only thing that's dangerous is trying to stop that speech um so i i said to him um i said
to him you know have you ever have you ever questioned the six million number and at that
point he said um well before i answer that question i'm going to stop youtube and we're
going to go to rumble so we went to rumble and had a conversation about that number and you know i
said i made a kind of you know i was just talking and making an argument that you know i wouldn't be
surprised if that number had been um exaggerated or inflated by media for whatever reason and he
got a cease and desist letter from the australian government oh man wow for that so i'm probably
on their radar now for anti-semitism um so it's incredible right i mean the australian population
the jewish population australia is something like 0.4 0.04 percent well you know i kind of wondered
this is what i wondered if i just believed genuinely believed that the there was five
million nine hundred and ninety nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine jews that were killed
and exterminated by the germans am i now a holocaust denier if that's what i believed
and it almost seems like because you're claiming that the holocaust didn't happen um to the scale
of significance has been suggested right like even if they rounded up even if i thought that
they just rounded up it's like somehow that that's just anti-semitism is is to believe
that maybe the numbers were somewhat exaggerated or the reason why they were killed was not
necessarily just to exterminate them or really just asking any kind of question and and what's silly
to me and what's so funny about it is they don't have a document and they'll even admit like there
is no document says like hey here's hitler's plan for the holocaust or here's where he said
specifically that he's going to do those things but you know if you if you question it you're
somehow just the worst person that's ever existed and it's like you don't have any physical evidence
or proof and then it's like okay these are this is the same group that's now going to tell everybody
what anti-semitism even is and what the examples are and and even more extreme examples to me is
is like just where the bible just literally says that the jews killed jesus and by perpetuating
this trope or suggesting that perhaps these people are guilty because you know the bible says whenever
they were uh the jews were arguing with pilot and pilot didn't want the blood of jesus on his hands
he said he washed the sands before them and then they said his blood be on us and on our children
and you know by just pointing that out you're now saying like oh these people are somehow guilty
for that specifically and it's considered anti-semitic and again these are these are
just two examples like if you just read the whole thing i kind of genuinely felt like almost every
single news organization group individual everybody's probably been guilty of at least
one of these specific definitions at some point in time's past and i'm thinking like is this going
to be a retroactive bill because they could really just nab whoever they want whenever they want
however they want it kind of felt that way what do you think ben about how broad this particular
definition could be applied well i think they're casting a wide net on purpose so that they can
like you said nab as many people as possible but for me and again i think that when you look at
the precedent that this bill sets and what it could potentially lead to in the future
that's the biggest story because i think now that the standard is set that hey we can pass
legislation that curtails free speech and free expression it opens the door for them to pass
something a lot more extreme in the future whereby they can actually throw people in prison for saying
things like the jews killed jesus or whatever other statements they want to designate as
anti-semitic according to this organization here the ihra well you know what it makes me
this is what it reminds me of it reminds me of youtube because youtube you basically just say
i have to agree to their terms and services but their terms and services can literally change
whenever they want so it's like this bill is saying hey we're agreeing to their definition but then
it's like what happens when they just change it tomorrow is that now again retroactive are we
basically just handing them the power and authority to just deem whoever whenever however they want to
be basically a bad person and now they've broken the law because i mean that's what it feels like
is that we're basically just saying they can update this however whenever i mean did i read
the bill wrong is that your understanding nick that this place could literally even change the
definition tomorrow and it would be something new yeah i think with most of these bills they're
deliberately ambiguous right there's this um what does denying the holocaust really mean you know
they say take that clip from um when i was on elijah's show they can they can uh you know impute
intent onto me that's not really the intent that i had and i'll say well that's what you meant i was
like no it's not yeah it is you're gonna you're going to prison this is the danger of these things
they they think they know what's on your heart well to me this shows an intense fear of having
a marketplace of ideas of having free speech as a concept as a theoretical concept because they know
inherently that their ideas suck for lack of a better term they know that the truth is not on
their side and the truth spreads like wildfire so their only option is to intimidate their only
option is to scare people like you into silence especially there in australia of course the us
it's starting to happen here they're rapidly dissolving the first amendment but my point is
i'm not afraid of having that open marketplace i'm not afraid of having a public square in which
all ideas are discussed and debated back and forth because i know and have confidence in what i believe
in my world view and hey we're having a freaking flat earther next week coming on to debate us
right the most retarded thing ever but here's here's a point you have confidence that you hold
the truth on that issue you hold to the truth on that issue so you're willing to have the
conversation they're not willing to have the conversation which exposes the fact that they
have no confidence in their ideology yeah i'm not afraid of the truth of the flatter you know it's
like if if six million jews were exterminated by hitler and there's just a mountain of evidence
like wouldn't you almost even want the skepticism to be brought to the table because then you can
just demolish them with all of your evidence and facts and just kind of basically just destroy that
ideology with truth and then you never have to really worry about there being dissent or
an issue or a problem. It's basically this is what's so funny about it. This is what they would,
this is what they say Ben. They say that disinformation is so powerful and so if we
allow these quote lies to spread too much then we'll have negative consequences, we'll have
another hitler, we'll have another you know bad event because all these lies are spreading and
it's like that's exactly what they're doing. They're the ones that are spreading these lies
and they're literally just basically telling you exactly what they are doing while projecting onto
you their specific plan of attack. Well just prove it though. Prove me wrong. If six million
Jews died in the Holocaust and there's irrefutable evidence for it and anybody who questions it
is denying reality then prove me wrong. Where's the evidence? Why don't you demonstrate that
I'm wrong rather than just silencing my ability to speak? Well and here's the thing for me
on that particular point. Let's just say two million Jews were killed. That's still like a
giant number, a horrible atrocity. Like does that really even undermine necessarily you know any of
these the same thoughts or feelings that people would have towards that particular event if it
was two million? So then you kind of have to ask this question like why is that number just so
important specifically? Like why does it have to be this specific number? And I think that the fear
is really okay if that number is not accurate what other things may not be accurate or what other
information is happening here and it's like you can't really question any of it at all. And again
why is it that what the bible says is so dangerous? Because you again Nick over here's
explaining to us that they have kind of this agnostic view on a religion but from my perspective
I feel like there's an attack directly on Christianity here. I mean why don't they bring
up something from an Islamic perspective in this specific bill? Why didn't they bring up something
from a Hindu perspective in this particular bill about something that those scriptures said? Why
are they only bringing up an example specifically from the Bible and almost a direct quote? Does
that seem eerie to you Nick that it's like they're kind of isolating it to one specific
religious example here? Well I mean look we know that Jesus is the truth. We know that because he
told us and evil protects liars by crucifying the truth and that's what happened to Jesus.
So they always crucify and do anything they can to prevent truth and I think that's what this
broadly comes down to is liars and truth. I'm not an expert on Israel and Judaism. I don't understand
why anti-Semitism is the cornerstone of Western influence when it comes to protecting civil
liberties or social justice but the question you asked is very important. Why are that number? And
to a greater extent, why that event? Why can't the same be said for the Rwandan genocide?
Armenian.
The Armenian genocide.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Why this event? And the answer skeptics and intellectuals are going to move
towards is well, maybe they're not telling the truth about this event. We don't know to what
extent but when you follow that trail of reason and intellectual inquiry, you're going to start
questioning things. And for whatever reason, they don't want us to question these things.
Which leads you to the conclusion, the sort of short term conclusion, at least that they're
lying about something. They're definitely what? They're definitely lying because the Bible says
who was a liar, but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ, he is anti Christ. And, you know,
again, I would agree with you. I'm not an expert on Judaism. I don't think anybody hardly is,
because the Talmud is such a large collection of information and it's a very esoteric religion
that's kept guarded. It's a very cult-like religious experience. They're not open
about what they believe. They're not telling everybody. You know, from our church's perspective,
we put our doctrinal statement online for our all to read. Every single one of our sermons is
live broadcasted all the time. We never hide anything we believe because the truth doesn't
fear investigation. But you look at other groups. We look at the Mormons. You look at the Freemasons.
You look at a lot of different secretive groups that are in colleges, skull and bones,
what is going on in Bohemian Grove. In fact, if you drive by a Freemason building in America,
all the windows are either gone or boarded up. They literally have no way to look inside.
There are buildings and you kind of see this common theme and it's no different with Judaism
specifically. They're not telling everybody what they're doing, the practices that they're
performing down in the tunnels. So it's very difficult to know what even really is going on.
I don't think that any of us could possibly know, but I know this, that nothing done in secret
is going to be good. Things that are done out in the open in the light is what the Bible says are
the things that are good, honest, of good report. Jesus Christ, like you said, is the way the truth
and the life. The Bible tells us that Jesus and God is light and that the things that are going
on in darkness are evil. And I think that it's important that we bring things to light. Obviously
trying to ban speech is darkness. It's not light. I'm not afraid of what my enemies or opponents have
to say. That's why I would theoretically debate any of them or contend with any of them. Obviously
sometimes it's a waste of time. You don't always want to have every foolish conversation.
But at the end of the day, the truth just doesn't fear any investigation. The righteous are as bold
as a lion. What do you think about this idea of things being in secret, Ben? What are your
thoughts here with these bills and what's going on? Well, I believe that it's an attempt to
curtail our ability to speak, knowing that they cannot debunk what we're saying. But I also think
they want to establish a mandatory denial of reality. And that's what you described earlier,
Nick, and just want to get your response to this because you brought up the fact that it's
illegal to, as you put it and as they're putting it, dead name someone who believes that they
are a woman when they're really a man. You walk around believing that you're an attack helicopter
and I guess everyone has to go along with that or a tree or a cat or a horse or a tank or whatever,
but my point is this is a mandatory denial of reality to establish a collectivist brain dead
society that masquerades as a liberal democracy filled with tolerance. But what do you think
about that, this mandatory denial of reality that we're seeing, especially in your neck of the woods?
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what it is, right? And they use these things like anti-Semitism.
To me, it's a lie in the same way that homophobia or transphobia or racism is used. I mean, there
is racism, but when it's used as a lie, it's designed to stop people from trying to bring
truth into light. They tried the same liars with Jesus, with God, but they couldn't. Ultimately,
you can't suppress the truth as much as they are trying to. They're just doing it through bullying
and through slurs and through classifications, this Orwellian kind of language. They want to classify
people into groups rather than into individuals who are thinking and expressing thoughts.
So, yeah, I mean, they are fundamentally attempting to change reality through lies.
And I don't think that's a new thing, right? I think that's been going on since the dawn of
time. And that's ultimately the mission here on earth is to seek truth. And we are anchored to
truth through the scripture and through our Lord. And we have a very sound basis for that. But there
are many people out there right now who don't have that anchor. And there's a lot of chaos going
around. You know, you see this term truth seekers. I mean, these people, some of these people are
crazy in terms of what they believe. They're all over the place right now. So Satan is having a
field day. And you're right, because Satan at the very beginning of the Bible says, yea, God said,
and he's trying to basically deny the reality of what God thinks is going on. I mean, God's telling
them not to eat in the tree in the midst of the garden. The devil is saying, no, it's fine. Eat
the tree in the midst of the garden. It's actually going to be good for you. And I feel like there's
a spiritual answer for all the things that we've been bringing up. And I think it is all a thinly
veiled attack on the gospel that the devil wants to stop people from preaching the gospel. And
it's important for this anti-Semitism to undermine the gospel because we have to
recognize that if the Jews did kill Jesus, like the text says, then specifically, you know,
you kind of have a dichotomy of opinion here because either you take the Judaism view that
they're God's chosen people and they're just these special descendants and they're just special. And
that's how you go to heaven is by genealogy or by following the works of the law. But by
killing Jesus and him rising again from the dead, that confirms everything that he said,
everything that he did. And he made it clear he's the way the truth and the life and no men come
under the father but by him. And that salvation's only by putting your faith and trust in Jesus
Christ and his finished work on the cross. And so it's by bringing in these narratives,
they're saying like if the Jews didn't even kill Jesus, they say, no, no, no, there was just this
troublemaker and the Romans killed him or Jesus didn't even exist or whatever, you know, supplementary,
you know, explanation they want to bring in here. Well, now the Bible's a lie. Now the Jews didn't
reject their Messiah. Now Jesus isn't the suffering lamb of God. Now he isn't what he says in John
chapter one where he came unto his own and his own received him not. And so it basically just
completely undermines the gospel message, undermines faith alone in Christ alone,
and that he was our once for all sacrifice. And so while there's so many other subplots
and other motivations, I believe this is the purpose and the meaning behind all of these
decisions. And that's why you see a unification of all other religions, them not being demonized,
not being a big deal because they're all lies too. And it's really just the devil using these
people as pawns to specifically attack the gospel and Jesus Christ and people being saved.
You know, what do you think about this as the ultimate reason why we're seeing these things
happening? I think it's exactly what it is. We have to see it that way. You know,
this is why for me, all these online censorship and Elon Musk and the Australian government,
Things are largely noise for me because I was saved by grace late in my life, and I'm
a massive sinner and my life is about much smaller things.
Am I being a good partner, am I being a good son, am I being a good brother, am I being
a good employee, am I being a good neighbour, am I being a good disciple of Christ?
And of course, I fall and you get back up and you fall and you get back up, but we have
to see the world through that lens and when we do see it through that lens, then it's
very clear that, sorry, good and evil and truth and lies just becomes crystal clear
and then our notion of good and evil and truth and lies is founded in the Scriptures and
it's founded in what Jesus tells us.
So it's crystal clear that that is what's going on.
Now, of course, that doesn't mean that there aren't situations in the physical world where
you have to rise above being just a good son, a good brother, a good, you know that better
than anyone, right?
You've had to defend the word in public against the maniacs.
And that's proof to you, it's, I mean, look where these people, these maniacs are spoken
of in the Scripture and that's truth to you.
These people are demonic and that's truth to you that the world is about this spiritual
lens that you just articulated very well.
So I think that I'm seeing a lot of people come around to the idea of, you know, I check,
I still check and look at Twitter occasionally.
A lot of people, I find it interesting that we'll put Christian in their biography, but
they're more interested in every other big issue that's happening in the world and fighting
these, like, the truth seekers as I called it, but, you know, Jesus said, you know, "Get
away from me.
I don't know you."
I want to get Ben's opinion on this and I want to bring up Nick Fuentas getting on Twitter
too, but what do you think about this spiritual underlying of what's going on in the world,
these events, these bills?
What's your opinion here, Ben?
Well, obviously it's an attempt to suppress the truth, but more specifically, I have to
agree with what the both of you are saying, that it all leads back to the Gospel of Jesus
Christ.
I mean, how could it not?
When the very notion that the Jews killed Jesus is now potentially something that can
be forbidden to say, that is of course directly related to the Gospel, because it was the
Jews who killed Jesus Christ, and of course it's His crucifixion, His death, burial and
resurrection by which we're saved, so there is a direct spiritual element involved here
in ministers of the devil who want to make people like you and I shut up, and we see
this in the Bible. In Acts chapter 13 it was the apostle Paul who had to deal with a bunch
of Jews who were contradicting and blaspheming at verse 45 what he was saying. He had written
also in 1 Thessalonians 2 that they were forbidding them to speak to the Gentiles. This is something
we see in the Bible, you brought up going all the way back to the Garden of Eden, and
of course it's no surprise that it's happening in 2024. Well, and you know, you bring up
this idea of these "truth seekers" or as we call it over here, maybe the truth movement.
And of course, that labeling is great. I mean, I think that if you seek the truth, you will
find Jesus Christ, you will find the ultimate truth of the gospel. But you know, I notice
other individuals and a big movement today is really emphasizing this idea of America
first. It's kind of like a nationalistic ideology. And I think I think Nick Flint is probably
one of the leaders of this. He was put back on Twitter recently. And I'm sure that pissed
a lot of people off. And I agree in a context with America first, if we're going to say
about foreign policy, but to me, it really should be gospel first. And then you know,
my wife, my family, you know, like America's really not as high on the chain for me as
so many other issues. Well, if I may, in the context of America first versus globalism
or the new world order, I can totally back America first 100%. Right. I'm saying foreign
policy. Yes. I get that context. But what I'm trying to point out is it seems like the
context gets lost a little bit. And then just everything is America first. Like we kind
of just everything's about that. And that's the only thing we're really thinking about
and emphasizing and trying to try to propagate. Like he said, you know, you've got Christian
in your bio, but you're more concerned with foreign policy than you are with the truth
or with the gospel. Carnal battle over the spiritual. I'm kind of curious. You know,
again, I think it's great that Nick Fuentes is on on X, not because I necessarily agree
with things that he says. And it's funny because everybody has to say that, right? Everybody
has to be like, not always agree with everything that Nick Fuentes says. But it's like, I say
it for a completely different reason, because I'm sure I agree with him a lot on foreign
policy and the Jews and that kind of stuff. It's that he's he's a Catholic. Strong, very
strong, strong Catholic. And again, Catholicism and me don't mix, you know, I've got the
Baptist bias. And so I'm faith alone by grace alone, whereas they believe in works. But
I'm kind of curious what your thoughts here are on when Nick Fuentes being back on Twitter.
Again, I think it's a good thing. I'm just kind of curious what you what you think about
that, Nick. I guess I'll share the same name.
Yeah, I'm not massively. Yeah, I'm not massively with Nick Fuentes, to be honest. I know that
he was suspended or whatever they call it. I saw his interview with Kanye, which I thought
was hilarious when him and he went on Alex Jones when Kanye West was wearing that mask.
That was weird. I'm not the best to talk to about Fuentes, to be honest. Yeah, but again,
you know, specifically when it comes to this America first ideology, and it's kind of a
nationalistic ideology, I'm sure there's probably people in your neck of the woods that maybe
have an Australian first viewpoint or something along those lines. And again, from a foreign
policy, I think every nation should be like that. I agree with Australia first or America
first from a national polity, from essentially how they govern themselves. But at the same
time, do you think that sometimes people might get overboard with nationalism, as opposed
to focusing on maybe some of the spiritual battle that's going on?
Yeah. Look, I think it's become especially pertinent now because America, ever since
Trump, you know, Trump wasn't elected in a vacuum, what preceded Trump was a movement
away from the ideals of America as a constitutional republic under God. Obama really, really hammered
that home. And along comes Trump, who then starts to restore the rhetoric of America
first and America's constitutional principles. And really, ever since then, this has created
a sort of a newfound hope or movement around it. I think it's all to do with Trump. You
know, I've got criticism of Trump, but I think he's a fascinating guy. And I think he's actually
quite critical to the West, because America really is the last bastion of a true constitutional
republic. Everything else has kind of fallen to globalism. And for whatever reason, it's
extraordinary that Trump is standing in the way of that, and America First is standing
in the way of that. I think there is some conflation there between people who believe
that that America First equates to Christianity, but perhaps what they really are thinking
is Christendom of the West, because if America falls, Western Christendom is done. I think
it's so important that this point in history that Trump wins, that can't be stolen. It's
a complicated thing. There are many things at play, but I think that America First really
means Western Christendom first, but I see your point with nationalism. There's a conflation
there. I think on the individual level, absolutely, people should be seeking Jesus rather than
seeking the American flag. That doesn't mean you can't see both.
Well, what I would bring up, and again, I think if we had the most fair and honest paper
ballot election, Trump would probably get something stupid, like 100 million votes or
120 million, which is a lot which is a lot for our specific election. I think he got
70 this last particular election. He procured the most amount and it was the most ever.
But still lost.
And yeah, of course. But so like, I, I don't really think though that, like, there's not
really anything else I can do, right? Like, I think at this point, especially like 98
or 99% of people are going to vote for who they're going to vote for. And, and on top
of that, you know, the powers that be are going to allow those votes to tally up however
they see fit. And I can't really change that either. But what I can change specifically
is someone getting saved, someone getting into church, someone getting the sin out of
their life, someone getting baptized, marriages staying together, and, and just kind of like
the impact that I can particularly have. And I think that a lot of people they're just
so invested in just following this news cycle about the nationalism. And it's not to be
pessimistic. It's more to just be like, I can't really do a lot about it. I think it's
important for people to keep talking about it and bringing it up and bring awareness.
Like I grew with the awareness aspect, but like from a daily life perspective, you know,
I think it's important that we're exercising our first amendment right. I think what's
important is that instead of just talking about how this anti-Semitism builds bad, people
actually are saying stuff like they're walking around and walking up to people saying, Hey,
the Jews killed Jesus or church is preaching this because, you know, if literally every
single church and every individual and every citizen saying this, like they're going to
have a hard time enforcing that. Right. I mean, if, if, you know, if everybody, but
again, if we're just all talking about how bad it is and we're not really doing anything
with it, if we're not actually exercising our rights, I fear that it doesn't really
matter how much we talk about it. I think what's important is for people to actually
exercise their rights. And it might even be more important now than ever to take every
single narrative. They're saying we can't say and say it double down. I think Scott
Adams did that. I think Scott said like, whatever they say, I can't say I'm going to say it
a hundred times or something like that. And I don't even, I don't even know much about
Scott Adams, but he just, he has some funny takes every once in a while. And I saw one
where he was commenting about this anti-Semitism bill. He was fired up. Do you know, do you
know who that is? Yeah, Dilbert. Yeah. Is that popular in Australia? I think it, not
so much, but we used to get it on one of the Comedy Central or something like that years
ago. Oh, okay. That's fine. I didn't even really know who that was until he got canceled.
I think like every newspaper in America canceled him simultaneously or something like that.
Just to show you how many newspapers we have in America, one. Yeah. I want to throw it
over to Ben. Do you have a question? It looks like you're chomping at the bit maybe. Is
there some kind of question or article you're wanting to share here? Oh, no. I'm just listening
into what you guys are talking about. I think it's great to see, Nick, that you bring up
the importance of the spiritual battle as well, and that's not something that we should
be forgetting about. When it comes to Donald Trump specifically though, and you kind of
talk about his impact on the West and you argue his importance, for me, I look at the
movement that surrounds Trump, and I almost think that perhaps it's the movement that's
maybe even more important because it'll be the movement that sticks around long after
Donald Trump is gone, a movement of people that I can greatly sympathize with who just
want borders, who just want normalcy, who just want to be left alone.
And so could you speak to this MAGA movement, and has it had any interconnectedness over
in Australia?
Yeah, I think that's right.
Yeah, Donald Trump represents something.
I think his personality was such that it was almost like the stick that needed to be jammed
in the spoke, you know, in the wheel.
And it's had an impact down here, and it's had an impact around Western countries, I
think, in general.
It's a phenomenon.
I think he came around the time when cancel culture and everything was really starting
to grind on people.
And now it's at a point where immigration and some of these much larger things are really
starting to have real world consequences on countries.
Our country is just out of control and prior to that, we saw what happened with European
countries.
We're starting to experience it here now.
So I don't know what whatever that MAGA, whatever that kind of movement or thing is.
I know a lot of people that political people that love Trump, they don't read a lot of
news and stuff.
They just love it.
They just love him.
They just go, "Oh yeah, he's brilliant."
Because he just hits something that they like.
And I think it's that he's a bigger bully than all of these other bullies, right?
All of these news networks and these slimy politicians and stuff.
And people like a fighter, they like a winner, they like someone that fights back.
I think that we'll reflect on this probably more clearly in a decade or so, this whole
thing that's going on right now.
If we're still here.
But clearly there's some, yeah, yeah, yeah, climate change.
You got to like Trump been because he did WWE.
He's a, he's, you know, that's, that's why I think, I think he's the greatest entertainer
on the planet.
I love his rallies.
They're awesome.
I'd love to go to one man.
I think it'd be, I've been to them multiple times.
I will hear.
I want to comment on your point though, before you say this, because this is what I do think.
And I kind of agree with y'all.
That's been powerful about Trump is his endorsement.
So and that's been an important thing that I think is maybe been underutilized, but specifically
if Trump endorses a particular local candidate, some of these lower level candidates, they
almost seem to have just a very, very easy opportunity to win.
And it's like kind of that lightning rod to bring in some better politicians across the
board.
And I feel like that's what we need.
A lot more than even just the president is we almost need an overhaul of local, state,
and all kinds of different individuals across America to take all kinds of different political
office.
Now, I don't necessarily agree with all of Trump's endorsements or the people that he's
brought, but I feel like that power is almost just as important as even taking the presidency
itself is by, because again, we still have certain checks and balances and we have in
theory a constitutional republic, and the president is going to be more or less a figurehead
if literally every other political office is wielded by other individuals that have
different ideologies.
I mean, in fact, even the president himself could be completely off the wall and Congress
could constantly pass things over his head and do whatever they want if they have a two-thirds
majority.
So it seems like specifically to me that wielding that power of that local influence is a big
deal.
And I wonder if even the gag order, because a lot of people would speculate that the election
was a fraud.
I believe that they pointed out how a lot of candidates that Trump endorsed on the lower
levels, they all won.
And he was very vocal about that.
I'm wondering if by gagging him, he doesn't really have that power to also downstream
ticket, get a lot of these other people elected and talk about them and endorse them.
I'm kind of curious, what do you think about the downstream ticket power that Trump wields?
Is there something going on there?
Is this gag order against him stopping some of that, Ben?
What do you think about?
Well, it's stopping him from making an impact everywhere, including in the political arena
that you described.
I lived in Florida during the race for governor between Andrew Gillum, who was later exposed
as a pervert homo who got caught in a hotel room—just a filthy, disgusting story—and
Ron DeSantis, and it was Trump's endorsement of DeSantis that put him over the edge.
Now, DeSantis, of course, recently, I would say didn't turn out to be the governor that
I hoped he would be, however, it still demonstrated the power you're talking about.
Nick Holt, what do you think about the point there raised by Pastor Shelley?
Yeah, well, I mean, he's still coming.
I watched two of his rallies the other day.
He's gagged, and then he comes out and talks about how it's hilarious.
He comes out of court, gives a press conference about how corrupt the judge is, and then he
gets on his jet, does two rallies where he's calling the case bullshit.
It's just business as usual with his rallies.
The guy's unbelievable, man, just regardless of whether you agree with his politics or
not.
He's a phenomenal human being.
So I don't think it's having that much of an effect because he's going out and he's
still endorsing candidates.
His rallies haven't slowed down.
He just says, "Now I have to do two of these a day because of this bullshit case that's
going on right now."
Well, he definitely has an interesting narrative.
And I think that a lot of people like the underdog, they like the guy that's sticking
it to the man.
And I think that a lot of people, even that may not like Trump, can kind of get entertainment
value or enjoy some of those things.
I know that when he was calling out the press or making fun of them or different things
like that during his presidency, it was kind of hard not to like the guy for some of the
things that he said.
But at the same time, he did do some horrible things in my mind.
He did bring in the COVID lockdowns here.
He did bring in the COVID shots here.
His social issues are pretty rough from my perspective.
But again, from a foreign policy, from an economic perspective, I think that he has
a lot of good viewpoints.
He kind of gets it.
So he kind of seems like to me, honestly, like what a Democrat is supposed to be, you
know, even though he's considered Republican, he's almost like truly a Democrat in my mind.
Classical liberal.
Yeah.
Kind of a mix.
Obviously he's not perfectly Democratic or from that tribe.
Yeah.
I mean, I think for me with Trump, there's four issues where he's just complete garbage.
You brought up, I think for COVID, it's mostly the vaccine issue.
I'm not going to blame him too much on the lockdown because, frankly, everyone shut down
at first and then reopened later when they figured out what was really going on.
So you know, it's not a huge deal for me.
I think he probably should have fired Fauci though for sure.
But these are the four issues really that I have a big problem.
He's not hardcore enough on abortion for me.
He's not hardcore enough on the LGBT agenda and the defiling of our children with the
transgender drag queen garbage.
He's not hardcore enough on the vaccines at all.
In fact, he supports them, and he's pro-Israel and very much a Zionist, 150%.
Now, here's what's different about Trump, though, and I will give him credit here, which
is that I think he's unique.
I do believe he is unique in terms of a politician, and I think he's unique in this sense that
if his base is responsible enough to hold his feet to the fire on some of these issues
that I brought up, maybe instead of there being a 0% chance that he'll ever change,
maybe there's a small, maybe 5, 10% chance, whatever the case may be, but I think there's
still a greater than 0% chance that he might listen if his base makes a loud enough appeal
to him to get it right on some of these issues, and that may be where he's different than
your prototypical conservative.
I don't know.
I could be totally wrong.
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but that's how I feel.
What about with free speech specifically, and it'd be interesting to get both of y'all's
opinion.
Do you think that Trump is a threat to free speech, considering that he leans towards
Israel and the Zionism angle?
Do you think he's going to allow this particular new bill to stand?
I'd like to see him come out against the bill.
He has not done so.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
Interested to get Nick's perspective.
Yeah, me too.
Someone like Gates or one of his underlings.
So this is the problem, Trump holds a bit of a cult-like fanaticism amongst the people
that he endorses.
I would say someone like Kari Lake, who I've interviewed twice and I think is a good person,
but I think she would never do it, but I would like to see her hold him to the fire of this
anti-Semitism bill.
Are you going to, can you denounce this?
Someone needs to do that.
I don't think he's a, I think he'll be okay with, you know, he's speaking, the question
is will he go through?
He's speaking very strongly in these rallies at the moment about, you know, on day one
men will never enter another women's locker room.
He's talking like, he's saying a lot of this stuff.
His rhetoric has gone up quite a few notches.
He's sort of gone quiet on his rail.
But I think, you know, what he's talking about the most from what I've sort of worked
out is that he's talking about the border the most.
Which seems to me that that's really your, would you agree that that's probably the biggest
threat to America right now is your southern border?
Well, I don't know if it necessarily is or not.
But here's, and again, I don't want to be too conspiratorial.
But the thing is, is like, there's this shenanigan where Greg Abbott, who's the governor of Texas,
was literally shipping tons of these illegals all over the country.
And they're trying to do it as if it's like somehow sticking it to Democrats or something.
But you know, a lot of people have reported and seen all these like immigrants and migrants
on planes, on buses, all kinds of things, being transported everywhere, getting debit
cards, being housed in specific places.
And you know, in my view, no matter how radical the Democrats or the Congress or the house
is, they're not going to convince the US Army or military to infringe on the constitutional
rights of the American people by and large.
There's probably some people in there that are like that.
But if you brought in a foreign national migrant army and you authorize them to have the power
to basically take the constitutional rights away from Americans and kind of to a military
coup, then that would be, I mean, that would almost be like for sure a direct threat.
Like that might be one of the most important threats to our specific country.
I don't think that necessarily just migrants being here is necessarily that as big an issue
as things like how much money we're printing and giving to Ukraine, how much money we're
printing and giving to Israel, specifically just like insider trading that's allowed
in our Congress, the fact that our voting doesn't seem to be legitimate whatsoever
specifically, or you could just argue about interest rates, the Fed.
I mean, we have a lot of specific issues that I mean, to me to say the border is the biggest
problem, I think only if there really was this like, kind of under the radar secret
army that's being brought in, would that potentially be the number one issue.
And again, I'm sure Trump has more insight and more knowledge about all these things.
The human trafficking is good.
Yeah, human trafficking is obviously a horrible aspect too.
Through the border.
I mean, the border, whether or not it's the most important, it's a major issue.
Like to me, it's like if you got shot in the arm, knifed in the stomach, and your legs
on fire, it's like which of those is the most important.
It's like all of those are just so bad and important to deal with immediately that it's
just kind of insane.
Like it almost seems like, and it doesn't even seem like it, I believe it.
I feel like the Democratic Party is purposely trying to destroy America in almost every
way possible.
Like it just feels like they're doing everything they could possibly think of to literally
weaken and destroy our nation and I think multiple enemies of the United States are
probably fine with that and just thinking like let's keep it going and you know obviously
a lot of these people are bought off by foreign governments.
Obviously China has a hand in there, Russia potentially has some dealings.
We see of course NATO, we see Israel, I almost you know the Bible describes in the end times
there's a specific nation called the whore, the Babylon, the great whore and it almost
feels like that is America being described in the book of Revelation and it's like we're
a whore and we're just being used and abused by China, Russia, NATO, Ukraine, by Israel,
by a lot of different individuals and of course I would argue that maybe Israel's you know
controlling us maybe the most but I think it would be unfair to say that they're the
only ones that are doing things to America or having some kind of influence.
I think it's a multifaceted you know problem box.
I'm kind of curious from your perspective I know you're you're not here but from your
perspective is the open border seem like the biggest deal to you or do you feel like there's
other more pressing issues?
Yeah I mean I guess you make I think that it's difficult to operate a nation with a
without any kind of border without knowing who's coming in and out and if the figures
that would be believed you know you're around you're sitting around the 10 million mark
now of undocumented illegal immigrants since Biden was elect well since Biden became president
that's a lot of people yeah and the question is if you don't know who those people are
then you're looking at all sorts of as Trump said sort of bad hombres yeah but I'm not
convinced that Trump so Trump is let's let's think about this Trump's saying that on day
one of his presidency he's going to begin the biggest mass deportation you know in us
history he likes to say these big statements the biggest deportation in the history of
deportations and everyone cheers right yeah but he doesn't actually explain how I can't
see that how's that gonna happen right I mean what happens when the new yeah what happens
when the news channels show the first family being broken up right if that starts happening
America is going to become a very turbulent place more than more so than it even has been
so so I can't see smooth sailing ahead if even if Trump gets elected in that in that
realm of the border so maybe he is just appeasing people in that regard but I mean again I don't
I don't know what's going on there if there was a secret military that's bringing brought
in then we would have to use our military forces and it could be ugly to dissolve that
but assuming that that's not the case I don't think we need to do mass deportation what
would fix our country instantly would just be simply to take the biblical laws that we
have in the Bible and just enforce them and I think that the immigration problem would
see would solve itself tomorrow.
Of course I don't think we should be continuing to allow people to just come across from seeing
the people that are already here if you know murderers are put to death rapists are put
to death kidnappers are put to death like the Bible says then you know and we actually
truly enforced that then I think that you know the the extra people that have been brought
across while it would cause some you know discomfort it would mostly resolve itself
over time as long as we're not just allowing a continual mass migration or we you know
we kind of stop the bleeding I think we could have we could heal over time it's just stop
giving them money stop giving them handouts and enforce you know capital punishment laws
and it would really solve itself I think in five ten years I don't think we would even
have to worry about you know deporting anybody I don't know what your thoughts are on that
Ben well it'll weed out all the bad actors and I think that's your point that once you
enact these biblical laws you're in a sense you're in a sense eliminating the murderers
you're eliminating those criminals who've come across the border and exploited the open
border to bring harm to America so it makes sense to me now there's a question though
pastor Shelley of amnesty or not yeah again like Nick to Nick's point I mean let's say
you have 10 million people that have crossed the border we probably had and I don't I don't
even know what the numbers are I'm just gonna throw out there a number 15 20 million people
that were already in America that were illegally here that were prior to this mass migration
most recently so you know if you're talking about trying to eliminate 25 million people
or something like that from our country first of all how where how deportation to be yeah
like you're gonna disrupt the economy greatly like it really just doesn't make a lot of
sense and it would be a big effort what are the logistics what are you gonna do when you
have that many people just what are you gonna just like put them five feet across the border
into Mexico and then like and then what's gonna happen and like is Mexico gonna really
appreciate that if we literally just say like hey here's 25 million people like they don't
even have the food and the resources to greatly even take care of themselves plus they have
their cartels and all kinds of stuff going on over there like you would also just basically
be sentencing people to death by just I mean you'd be literally marching people to their
deaths by just doing such an act so in some regard if you care for human life and you
care about the Bible I think the damage is done like I said you got to just seal the
border today you know stop the bleeding now and essentially stop giving them money and
force biblical laws and I think that that's going to have the least negative impact overall
but you know again I'm not running for president I am over 35 but you know I'm not going to
run I don't worship Satan or anything like that so it's gonna be hard for me to campaign
I don't know from your perspective what do you think about my foreign policy here Nick
would I get a domestic well I guess okay let's kind of both right isn't borders a foreign
issue a foreign policy issue it can yeah look go ahead as as you said let's think about
the logistics of this how are you going to find these people let's talk about say the
criminals that have been leaving Venezuela and some of these other Central American countries
how are you going to find these people are you going to have military on the streets
you're going to change America you're going to change the optics of America to for the
citizens it's going to be almost a martial law type situation which will make the president
have to go outside of constitutional realms which is almost dictatorial which isn't going
to happen so I think that's the only I think the only way is to stop it as quickly as possible
and then try and reinstate law and order into your country I don't say that like it's we've
got it down pat because it's probably worse here but you can't have a country without
a border and without law and order with you know courts that are letting these people
back out the next day and some of these people are convicted murderers from central second
world third world countries not that that makes them any worse a murderer than a first
world murderer but there there there's no justice in play so you have a number of things
that need to be fixed we have and the same in our country but we're talking about America
here there are there is rot in all the institutions right yeah the justice law and order universities
and this has been a slow march you know i think it's interesting that the topic of this
show today is you know is free speech under attack well it's i think we've clearly unearthed
it's evident that we've moved beyond debating whether free speech is under attack it's been
under attack and undermined and curtailed and criminalized and prosecuted for quite
a long time now it's been a mission creep a slow march and in that process institutions
have become eroded and corruption has set in and to land on your previous point about
you thought that maybe the democrats are actively trying to destroy america i don't know whether
they're actively trying to destroy america it's just that america is being destroyed
because of them because they are so corrupt you know they are so beholden to foreign interest
in their own corruption that they don't see what's happening to the decay of their own
country and this has been happening over a number of years so it's a it's a huge task
yeah i think that's a great point huge task huge huge we're gonna build a wall folks big
beautiful door well i i agree like the the democrats themselves aren't necessarily purposely
destroying america i'm saying like china is trying to destroy america and they're paying
off politicians and then giving those politicians marching orders that would inevitably cause
destruction towards america so they're a vessel by which they're being used through corruption
through bribery through blackmail through pretty much kind of everything you can imagine
extortion to essentially enact or bring about policies decisions things that are destructive
towards our country and to be specific to you i i would grant amnesty because you know
it's frustrating is the fact that we have probably millions of people that just simply
want a better life for themselves they come to america and they can't get a job because
they don't have the amnesty they don't have the citizenship they can't just fill out the
w-2 because they're illegal they don't have the social security card so they have to
do illegal activities or do things that aren't right just money off the table you know under
the table to basically essentially try to survive and exist in our society and if we
just granted them all amnesty that would help the law-abiding immigrants the ones that aren't
going to break or aren't going to follow the law they already don't care about that they're
not going to get a w-2 job they're not going to help society or any of those things and
really what we've done is we've actually created a slave class in america because if you think
about slaves in general you think of slaves as not having rights not having freedom not
being able to do what they want and it's it's kind of what we've done with the immigrants
is they're kind of this pseudo slave class where they're the ones and let's think about
it what are hispanics that come across the border that aren't legal what do they do
they mow lawns they work in the kitchens they work in construction they work in some of
the most laborious difficult activities and they're all paid cash under the table and
we basically just imported a new slave class and it's interesting how the democrats are
so against slavery but of course they don't want to talk about the fact they've literally
imported just a giant hispanic slave class into america the housekeepers the whatever
you know basically just all the slave type jobs that you would think of in society have
been replaced by them and really the the best thing to do would be to grant all of them
that amnesty citizenship give them an ability to actually have a higher paying job contribute
to society and you know change the tax a lot of where they actually have to pay some taxes
a lot of these people are just taking advantage of the tax system taking advantage of welfare
and a lot of these other programs because they're not legal they're not essentially
on in the system and really it would also in my mind help identify the difference between
the honest good people and you know the rapist or as Donald Trump would say they're not bringing
their best folks the rapists you know whatever whatever I can't do the Trump impersonation
like your friend you've got the best Trump impersonator they're bringing crime they're
rapists and some of them are good people that is not bad at all excuse me excuse me yeah
you had somebody on your podcast it's like a great impersonator who's that guy Sean Farish
Sean Farish yeah Sean Farish he's brilliant so good oh man we need to get that guy we
need to get Trump on the show let's get Trump on through him he'd be up for it he's a good
guy yeah he's done the impression in front of Trump yeah I saw the video on it yeah he
introduced him that's funny well I do want to throw it back to you if there's something
that we haven't covered or there's something else you wanted to bring up I want to give
you an opportunity here I know you've been on the stream you've been gracious to give
us a lot of your time is there anything else that you wanted to bring up you gave us a
pretty good summary already I think we've covered a pretty good good good range here
I'll I'll eagerly anticipate a letter from my government oh man and assisting me yeah
sorry for anti-Semitism and a range of and a range of other naughty things well if you
think that if you think that you're toxic we're a lot more toxic than you could ever
be so just appearing on the show would have been enough I think for you to get some kind
of letter unfortunately yeah it could be yeah sorry if that happens we'll help we'll help
you and you're always welcome back on the show you know if you want to we'll wait and
see how many letters you get I'd love to I hope you only get I'd happily represent myself
in court if that ever came up that'd be great well we'll cover it on the show for sure we
need to follow up and thank you for bearing with us here there's been a bit of a delay
going back and forth and so apologies if that was a little confusing for you but we appreciate
your time oh no problem it's been a lot of fun thanks a lot for having me on it takes
a while for the radio waves to go across the globe you know yes around the globe yeah well
why don't you give us any plugs is there how can people find the modern inquirer or any
other information about you yeah so just the modern the modern inquirer encuir.com and
the Nick Holt podcast is on all the standard podcast platforms I don't really use social
media so if you only want to check out those two you can do so that'd be cool and do they
watch your show just on the website or how do they is it on Twitter so the website is
just articles but the podcast is audio and it's connected to the website but it's also
on Spotify and Apple and all that sort of thing and I saw you had recently interviewed
Kevin Sorba looks like maybe once or twice or both Hercules yeah I've interviewed him
a few times he's a good guy he makes a lot of films is that correct like independently
now yeah he's got it yeah he does yeah a few Christian films he's got his own production
company now because he was sort of exiled from Hollywood for his conservative views
so him and his wife started their own production company and now he's banging out films he's
made a couple of faith-based documentaries which are really good Sorbo studios it's
cool so yeah he's doing some great stuff do you recall one of those documentaries that
you just referenced there at least yeah let me just have a quick look there's one that's
worth checking out give me one second that's okay I remember the first time I ever heard
of Mr. Sorbo was his appearance in the God's Not Dead pure flicks film that's right the
greatest movie I've ever seen that's right yeah it was hilarious um it's called against
the tide against the tide I have to check that out and you're on Twitter too right no
I don't think he is no no no no no he's not anymore anymore he's out because he couldn't
stand it so you lost your uh your uh your like check mark or whatever you said did they
delete your account or did you just kind of purposely take it down um they actually deleted
my account during covid i was one of the people i was one of the people that got suspended
by the austrian government see they're bringing back nick flint is the new director cold sorry
i said they brought back nick flint is but they brought brung the wrong nick they brought
they should have brought back nick holt from the modern inquirer yeah well they do bring
me back i did get brought back when elon came but i i just can't really stand in sight to
be honest i mean i think elon's a bit of a i think elon's a little i don't really trust
elon musk that's a conversation for maybe another episode but i also think it's just
become an absolute dumpster fire of wacky theories and people just people have just
been because of his algorithm people are just whipped into a echo chamber right uh-huh and
the amount of confirmation bias that's on that website is just too much for me well
we're right there with you and not trusting elon musk so you have i think he's i think
he's the biggest con artist on the planet i don't i just don't know what i don't know
what my opinion is because in some ways i kind of look at him as a really good guy and
then some ways i look at him as being possibly really bad and i just don't i don't know where
to put him um he has he has the worst choice in women that's for sure amber herd and that
grimes chick are just some of the worst well that's that's exhibit a right exhibit a exhibit
b would be so i'll give you three exhibits and then and rest my case um exhibit b is
this this guy who you know he posts things like i don't know if you remember but he posted
like a picture of the u.s constitution and a musket he's like i always sleep with this
next to my bed no you don't this is a guy that wants to this is a guy that is basically
the epitome of a globalist technocrat he wants to put he wants to relocate to mars
and put chips in people's brains um yeah and he wants all cars to be electric exhibit
c um is that uh i can't remember um he winds me up this guy well what you just brought
up i actually think what he's created i'll just say well i think what what he's created
is almost like oh yeah exhibit sorry exhibit c is that um he he's allegedly for all these
people on twitter he's this um free speech like god you know he's like the champion of
free speech yeah he's created a the first social media platform where he's charging
people to speak well i will say this that uh you bring up of all the things you bring
up the weirdest thing has to be the brain ship deal yeah you know like the guy is whacked
out i don't trust him whatsoever i i i will say i think twitter from a free speech position
and perspective is in a better spot today than it was under dorsey but still i i just
something about musk especially the brain ship stuff the mars the electric cars his
obsession with the letter x i mean you have a brand that is a global brand there's that
word again and it is super popular and it's just now it's x his obsession with x and this
weird the guy's weird there's definitely some serious issues he's made a lot of his money
from government grants you know when it comes to the chip stuff like i i can see the evil
there and of course like i'm not wanting to ever get a chip never will and you kind of
get this eerie sense of like a mark of the beast but at the same time if someone's a
paraplegic or if someone's blind and they can literally through some kind of a surgery
you know fix that i mean it it's somewhat similar in my mind to individuals getting
you know a prosthetic arm or a leg or people getting heart transplants or different things
like that but to me it should be limited in scope to people that have deficiencies already
or have some kind of a physical ailment that they're trying to possibly solve like a perfectly
healthy normal individual drilling a hole into their skull and having a microchip planted
on their brain.
It's a very humanistic viewpoint, obviously it's a very atheistic viewpoint.
There's a lot of potential evil there so I totally agree.
We need to have another discussion on Eli.
That's a whole other episode.
We'll go another hour and a half on that if we don't stop ourselves.
It is because I think it'd be great to do it because I think what he's done is he's
created a digital cult, the way people kind of – there are certain people that behave
as a very cult-like behavior.
And I just found a tweet that I wanted to finish on from Elon, which just made me laugh
at the time.
This was on December 1st, 2022.
He throws these tweets out and everyone's like, "Oh my God, he's such a genius."
And he wrote, "Jesus taught love, kindness, and forgiveness.
I used to think that turning the other cheek was weak and foolish, but I was the fool for
not appreciating its profound wisdom.
I don't buy it."
You don't think he's being genuine.
"I don't buy it."
He put up a post as well saying, "God is good," the other day.
So I guess this guy is, you know...
He was on the Babylon Bee as a guest.
So the Zionist didn't get saved.
Yeah, true.
We'll save it for another time.
I mean, if I was sitting next to him, I would try to give him the gospel, of course, and
just see where he's at on the issue.
But it's hard to tell where he's at, if he's a useful idiot and or if he's actually kind
of bad.
I kind of think that he's being used by evil people.
And I think he probably is smart in some ways, but he's also kind of dumb and childish.
The guy's autistic, you know, you get what you get.
But we really appreciate you coming on the show.
Really interesting to get a perspective from somebody from another nation, from another
country.
Even though you're not with us physically, I feel like you're with us spiritually.
And if you ever want to come to America, you got to come see us here in Texas and we'll
take you to Texas barbecue.
We'll put you up.
You can come visit our state and our church or whatever.
We'd love to have you visit.
You can even come to the studio.
So you got an open invitation coming to Texas.
I'm coming to Texas later in the year.
When, where, when and where?
What part of Texas?
I've already got the ticket.
I'm visiting a friend in Austin and then I'll probably get a car and move around a bit.
I've been to Austin once before, but my friend, the reason for going to Austin is just my
friend.
But nothing's really set in stone yet.
So I'll take you up on that offer.
And we're in the Dallas for the area.
I'm up some great.
We'd love to have you reach out some details closer.
Yeah, we'll, we'll host you and take you out and it'd be great to meet up in person.
Yeah, man.
We'd love to come to one of your sermons too.
Well, it was great having you on the show.
That's going to pretty much do it for us.
Do you have anything else you want to say, Ben?
Well, we talked a lot about politics.
We talked about the attack on free speech, a number of different topics covered here
on the program.
And there were a lot of negative things that we brought up in the sense of just how we're
being silenced and things like that.
I just want to remind the audience, we have a Christian audience here.
You know, we have hope that the unsaved don't have.
We have hope that this world doesn't have, the Lord Jesus Christ.
And specifically, you know, one of my favorite verses that I wanted to touch on is just Philippians
chapter four and verse eight.
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever
things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things
are of good report, if there be any virtue and if there be any praise, think on these
things."
It's easy to get tied up in all the negativity going on in this world and obsessed with all
the news headlines and it seems like it's getting worse and worse by the day.
And I'm not saying we shouldn't be paying at least some attention, but we don't want
to get consumed with the headlines and consumed with the bad news to the point that it negatively
impacts our countenance and makes us miserable people, because we're not.
There's a hope that we have inside the gospel, the word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and
it's something that we should hold near and dear to our hearts and don't let all this
outside noise depress you, because at the end of the day, we're on the winning side
and if God be for us, who can be against us?
That's a great recap.
Of course, we're talking about is free speech under attack.
It's obvious, folks.
And of course, the gospel is always under attack.
They attack Jesus Christ.
But at the same time, we're still making a difference.
You know, we're the fourth podcast out there on Rumble front page, so that couldn't happen
without all of our live viewers.
Thank you so much for you guys tuning in.
You want to tune in next week for the debate on the Flat Earth.
And you say, "I already know that it's not flat."
We all know.
Okay.
But this is going to be an epic show.
And I'll just be honest.
We all know.
I thought like, what am I going to say?
I've been doing some research and just studying the Bible more.
And I actually have some interesting things to say.
I was kind of learning some new things and I was pretty excited about this discussion.
So even if obviously our opponents aren't going to really necessarily change their mind
or agree to reality, we're having a flat earth debate.
But I think that there's still some profit in the discussion and just the things I'm
going to try and bring to the table.
So plus I'm not going to be nice.
So there might be some fireworks on that regard.
But I want to shout out to some of our commenters.
I noticed lots of people were really active in the chat.
Hchartier555 says, "Great show.
God bless."
Always Baptist says, "Great podcast."
Adella Lyle says, "Thanks so much, Pastor Nick and Ben.
So great."
Lots of praise for the show.
Someone says y'all are going to get a black eye.
Miss King says, "I don't like musk either."
Someone says, "We should put a microchip in Ben."
I don't get that.
Why do they want to have a microchip in you, Ben?
I don't know what that even means.
Miss King says, "Lovely to hear from the Southern Hemisphere."
Someone says, "Vitally Izoita."
I don't know how you say that.
I have the Baptist bias.
Well, there you go.
Hey, we got someone that's got the Baptist bias, Ben.
Isn't that great?
We've got a lot of people that were in the chat, a lot of good comments.
Thanks so much for everybody tuning in.
A lot of times we do take call-ins today.
We just kept it with our guest.
We had a great guest on.
It was great to hear him.
He's actually a friend of some of our other friends in Australia, Ben from Australia Talks
and also from Elijah Schaefer, highly recommended.
I'm really glad they did because this was a great conversation, it was great to have
a conversation with Brother Nick here.
I want to mention one other plug because this Friday, I'm going to have a special stream
at noon.
So if you want to tune in next Friday or this Friday, I'm sorry, at noon, I'm going to have
a special guest on The Baptist Bias.
It is Dr. Andrew Wakefield and he's coming out with a new film called Protocol 7.
Now he came out with some other films in the past.
One that's pretty famous is the Vax documentary that he came out with.
He's coming out with a new movie, it's coming out soon called Protocol 7 and we're going
to let him talk to us about what that film is about, why he made that film and just kind
of interview him.
He's a highly cancelled individual, very controversial individual, but you know we love controversial
individuals on the show, don't we Ben?
Absolutely.
Why are they wanting to put a chip in your brain?
I'm not sure.
Well I like the Ben that we have.
We don't need to fix him.
I like his epic rants and everybody needs to get the Baptist bias.
I agree but we don't have to put a chip in their brain.
You just got to watch the show.
Actually all you have to do is open the Bible.
That's what will give you the Baptist bias.
You read the Bible and you read about John the Baptist and you realize that that's the
right perspective to have.
Well that's pretty much going to do it for us.
Make sure to check out the show, share it, follow me at bandpaster.
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Everyone's got a perspective, but you need to get the Baptist Bias.