Hi, my name is Ben, and I'm here to ask for your support as I continue my efforts as a
missionary to Hawaii.
I need donations to help support my ministry here as I labor for the Lord and do the work
of an evangelist, crucial work aimed at furthering the cause of Christ.
You see, without your support, I wouldn't be able to serve.
I'd be rendered incapable of doing what needs to be done here in Hawaii for the people.
Swimming, snorkeling, surfing, hiking, I do all these things, all that work for souls.
And folks, I'm not pushy.
You see, while I'm enjoying the sights and sounds of this paradise, I let people come
to me.
I don't go to them.
And without your support, I can't go on my Hawaiian helicopter tours, my luaus, I can't
go whale watching, diving, I can't be the hardest working missionary that you've ever
seen.
Ladies and gentlemen, I ask for your support so that I can continue to relax on the beach
and get results for the kingdom of God.
Last year, for instance, I was able to get three people, that's right, three people to
take my track.
Additionally, I went to Starbucks and guess what I did?
I told them that my name, Jesus is Lord, so that they can put it on the cup, and when
they were ready to give me my coffee, they said that.
That's how I shared the gospel.
I think like three or four people got saved just from that alone.
And as if that wasn't enough, I held the door open for an old lady, alright?
And I gave a dollar, by the way, on top of all of that, I gave a dollar to a homeless
guy who was in the middle of giving himself the COVID vaccine.
Safe and effective, by the way.
I've been doing all this work, but folks, I can't continue without your help.
I need you to send me money, please, like right now.
I will do anything.
I will believe any doctrine you want me to believe as long as your money is green.
Just don't be like the churches that hang up on me when I call them and ask them for
support.
Don't be like those people out there who think missionaries should do things like give the
gospel or get people saved or preach the word of God.
Those people, the critics, they never give me any money because they have this bias and
I hate it, the Baptist bias.
Thanks for joining us for another episode of The Baptist Bias.
Boy, do we need to raise some money right now and send Ben to Hawaii.
That was gripping.
I've never heard a testimony like this.
How did you come up with such a fantastic way to raise money?
You just got to get people into it and you just another secret to this too is you become
the person that the you want that the people want you to be.
So if I'm going to call a Pentecostal church, hey, I believe I'm a Pentecostal.
If I'm going to call a Baptist church, I'm a Baptist now.
So you be the person that you think your donors want you to be and that's how you get the
most money possible.
Just make sure you don't have any real beliefs, just whatever they want.
Yeah.
That seems so easy.
Why didn't I think of that?
Well, obviously, you know, you're just not on my level.
What's the difference between that and being a politician?
Oh, there's tons of differences.
I'm not going to get into it now, but I'm not a politician by any means.
Great.
Well, we have a great show for you.
We're going to talk about foreign missions.
We're going to talk about obviously the need for you to send me and Ben to Hawaii to do
the Lord's work and to go surfing and just lay around and kind of just hang out.
But they come to you.
Exactly.
Like I said, we don't go to them.
That's pushy.
We wait for them to come to us and then we kind of like maybe say, "God bless you," or
something like that.
And then, you know, that plants a seed and the rest is history.
We don't want to go to one of these like poor countries where, you know, there's nothing
fun to do and it's just overcrowded or anything like that.
But we did bring on someone for the show this evening, who I guess he just doesn't want
to have fun.
He doesn't want to just go out there and sit on the beach and do nothing.
He's over there in the Philippines, starting all kinds of churches, preaching the gospel
nonstop.
I mean, he didn't listen to your promo at all.
I don't think he gets it.
But we want to welcome Pastor Matthew Stuckey from Verde Baptist Manila.
How's it going, Pastor Stuckey?
It's going great.
Thank you for having me on Pastor Shelley, Brother Ben.
I like the Erik Kovan reference in the Binalogue.
I'm not sure everybody got that, but the G is important.
It's one of the most funny, awkward clips I've ever seen in my life.
So you haven't tried that.
Maybe you're missing out.
I mean, you could get a lot of people saying.
I don't have the boldness.
A long time ago I went street preaching once and I was embarrassed.
I guess I just don't have the boldness that other people have to make a fool out of themselves.
Well we're really great, glad to have you on the show.
I'm sure a lot of our audience already knows who you are but for those that maybe don't
really know much about you, why don't you tell us a little bit about the work that you're
doing over there in the Philippines and kind of why you're over there.
Yeah.
So I was born in Iowa but I grew up in West Virginia.
I got saved when I was a freshman in college.
An independent fundamental Baptist friend of mine gave the gospel to me in college.
Fast forward more than 10 years later and at a wedding, my friend married my wife's friend
and she introduced us at the wedding.
My wife was living in the Philippines, not in person, so we talked long distance.
Then I visited the Philippines in September of 2014, almost 10 years ago.
This was before there was really missions trips with the new IFB going to some more
receptive countries.
Of course, I'd never seen anything like it, with people listening and all kinds of people
getting saved.
Of course, my wife and I, we fell in love and got married.
We came and lived in the US for several years.
We moved to Verde Baptist Church.
I told Pastor Jimenez about my goal of being a pastor in the Philippines.
We were there for three and a half years, and he ordained me as an evangelist, so we
started the church in Manila, and just last year he ordained me as the pastor.
We also started a church in Pampanga, which is my wife's home province, which is where
we live.
We have those services on Saturday, the service in Manila on Sunday.
Then we have a church in Bicol.
We sent out an evangelist to Poland, and we have two other provinces where we have a once-a-month
church service.
So we're definitely pretty busy with stuff right now, but God is definitely blessed.
Well, I'm just confused, like where's your lay and sunglasses and everything like that?
I mean, aren't you supposed to be having a vacation out there in the Philippines?
I mean, what is all this starting church?
I mean, how many churches do you have?
So well, I'm not at the Pastor Thompson level, so I'm trying to catch him now.
So we have four official churches, and then the two that are once a month, people come
to our main church from those areas, but it's the way the Philippines is, and you know that
from visiting in January, there's a lot of traffic in Metro Manila, but on Sundays, there's
very little traffic.
People just go to their closest Catholic church primarily, so people can come from a long
distance away, but they wouldn't be able to come throughout the rest of the week.
It would take so much longer to get there, and so the long-term goal is to get churches
started in those areas, and so those are going really well right now.
Yeah, I think that Pastor Thompson, his model is to try and plant a church in every city,
so there might be a Sure Foundation coming to you pretty soon if you don't already have
one or two.
You know, who knows?
Hell, we might get one here.
Yeah, you've got to catch them all.
We can pretty much just join his church once he starts one down here, and no, I love Pastor
Thompson.
He's a great guy.
You have lots of churches going on over there in the Philippines.
What is the vision for the future?
What are you trying to accomplish, or are you just kind of taking it one step at a time
here?
Well, I guess a little bit of both.
We ordained Brother Matthias as an evangelist to Poland, and yeah, especially as a church
in the Philippines, I never really envisioned starting churches in Europe.
Obviously, the cost of living is a lot more, but he came into our church, he was able to
find work as a German teacher.
We ordained him as an evangelist, and kind of my idea when I ordained someone as an evangelist
is kind of like a two years in general where I would ordain them as a pastor.
Obviously, that can vary depending on if they have kids or what situation.
We also, I ordained a brother real wind doctor at our church in Biko last month as an evangelist,
and so eventually the goal is for those churches to be independent.
The church in Poland is very much independent financially and everything, obviously they're
in another country and everything.
The church in Biko, there's not as many job opportunities there as there are in Vanilla
and Pampanga, so they're very much financially underneath us, and one goal I have is over
those two years that they can become financially stable and kind of be on their own after that
two year mark.
But there's just such a need for churches that, I don't really think I've gone out
of my way to start churches.
I feel like they kind of just kind of came at me where there was a need, and I felt just
like a burden to try to help in any way that I can and that our churches can.
Well, it's definitely very inspiring from afar.
I know that growing up, missions kind of has a different flair to it than what we see you
doing.
Going over there, preaching, doing a lot of soul winning, trying to reach people.
From my perspective, and I think a lot of people have this idea, that missions is kind
of more about building stuff, building houses, building wells, things like that.
I think we even have some clips on that, Ben.
Don't we have a clip here of some other churches talking about their missions program and everything
like that?
I want to see if we can play clip number one here, but I went on a missions trip several
years ago to Jamaica, and I remember approaching my boss and saying, "Hey, I want to take
some time off to go on this mission trip to Jamaica."
He was like, "Oh, what are you all building?"
I was just like, "Well, I'm not really building anything."
He's like, "Okay, well, what are you all donating, or what's the work that you're doing?"
I was like, "Well, we're just going to talk to people and tell them about the gospel and
how to go to heaven."
It was just kind of like he did not expect that from missions, which is kind of crazy
to me when you think about the missionary trips of the apostle Paul, but I think clips
like this might give us an idea that there's a different view out there of what missions
is.
Let's see if we can play clip one.
For me, one of the most beautiful things that I've experienced on a mission trip, and I
would hope that teams would experience the same thing, is how God works in different
communities and in different cultures, that He is present long before we ever arrive in
the community.
And to go and see what He's already doing is a beautiful thing.
It's exciting to see God working in different ways than we expect to see Him present.
When you do a mission trip with Experience Mission, it's a lot more about the people
and the relationships than it is about the agenda or the outcomes or the end goals.
We really strive to put everyone in a place where they have the ability to form real relationships,
where they have the ability to hear someone's story and share their own story and allow
God to use them through that.
And that's unique and that's changing people, whether it's a participant or the people
in the communities.
It's a powerful experience.
To do short-term mission trips is really important because people really matter to
God.
So it's more important that we take the time to care about people, to get to know their
name, to look in their eyes, to hear their story, to know who they are, to care about
their dignity, than it is for us to do something for them.
Because in the end, when we leave, what really matters is how we were a picture of God's
love to all those that we connected with.
I think I've found over the years as I've led mission trips, is that the way that these
trips can be life-changing and meaningful for the team members is some of the very same
ways that it can be life-changing and meaningful for those receiving them.
When both those coming on a mission trip and those receiving a mission team are able to
work together and serve alongside of each other in a community, there's life-change
and there's transformation on both sides.
And in that sense, even though they're coming from these radically different backgrounds,
they're actually participating in the same kind of life-changing experience.
Around Experience Mission, we use the phrase "live your mission" and that phrase has become
really powerful in my own life because I think living your mission is less about that one
week experience and it's more about how are we going to live our everyday lives?
How are we going to live when we get home?
How are we going to impact our own communities?
When we can start thinking about mission in that way, that it's not about this one experience
but that that one experience can kind of propel us into action and kind of change our perspective
on the world, all of a sudden I think that's where it becomes really powerful.
Once you've been on a mission trip and you've taken the time to build relationships with
people, you realize that wherever you go, people are really just the same as you are.
They have the same feelings, they have the same hopes, they have the same dreams, they
have the same pain, they have the same questions that you do.
It's just framed in a different culture.
And that can build a real care and compassion for people wherever you find yourself.
At the very, very heart of it, it has to do with challenging and trying to engage all
of us that have a faith to say how will we live our life in a way that is about mission.
It's about what do you do with the choices that you make each day and what do you do
with the things that God entrusts you with and how do you live your life that has meaning
of significance and it really is all about love and service.
Yeah, we can kill it.
I really just, I had not seen that clip and I was waiting for them to say something that
I knew what they were talking about.
I don't know what's going on in the clip.
Like what are you supposed to do on this missions trip?
Pastor Stuckey, do you feel enlightened, like do you know what we're supposed to do after
watching this video?
I don't know, but I did go to, I kind of forgot about it, but just remember it's been a long
time ago.
I went to a couple missions trips in college because when I first went to college, I wasn't
into partying or drinking, so I was trying to find Christian friends.
This is a part of a lot of non-denominational types of groups and I was in Campus Crusade
and they have missions trips and evangelism, which is the way that they would word it as
opposed to soul-witting, it's kind of like on the side and they kind of want you to do that,
but I don't know. It's not quite as bad as that clip, but it is kind of similar, I guess.
It seems like for that clip, it's sort of like, let's travel to this foreign country and spend
a few days doing lifestyle evangelism and then leave so that people think, "Oh, a little bit."
Well, you're going to make friends. To me, that was like the big thing that they were trying to
communicate. And then the people will think, "Oh, Christians are friendly." Like build relationships
and hear their story and you're going to hear their story and then they're going to tell you
their story and then because of their story... And then basically then leave and then those
people die and go to hell. Well, I mean, let's be honest. Are the people even traveling over there
saved every single time even? I mean, do they even know how to present the gospel? I have no idea.
Like I would think like if you're going to prepare people for a missions trip, you might say like,
"Hey, let's brush up on, you know, how to preach the gospel and like how to explain certain doctrines
and things like that." If I was going to try and give somebody encouragement about like what they
should do in anticipation of a trip to, you know, "Hey, let's work on our gospel presentation. Let's
learn how to explain how to be saved." But they're just... It's almost like this emotional thing,
like be ready to make relationships. Don't worry about the work that you're doing. Don't just get
hyper focused on the work. I think really honestly what it is, is a lot of people go on a missions
trip and most of the time is spent either building a house or building a well or making something.
And some people just get hyper focused on that task and never talk to anybody. And then they
come back and when they share their experience, they say like, "Oh, how was your missions trip?"
"Well, we just worked all day." And it's like, "Did you talk to anybody?" "No."
"Did you meet anybody?" "No." And so they don't want that. They want you to actually at least
have some testimony of like you talked to somebody or had some kind of relationship
or made an impact. Because I think they see that it would be really shallow to just go over there
and be a day laborer at the expense of your church or even your own pocketbook. I think it's
interesting you brought up this campus crusade because there's some really, really popular
YouTubers, Rhett and Link. Have you ever heard of these guys? They have a show called Good Mythical
Morning. I might have to see their face. Well, let's bring up, there's an article at least we
can pull up. These two YouTubers, they had a show called Good Mythical Morning. I believe they have
18 million subscribers. They're a pretty large YouTube channel. What's weird is they're now
what's called like a deconstructionist. They used to be Christian. Now they've deconstructed their
Christian faith. In this article, it talks a little bit about, I think it's coming from a Catholic
perspective, but a little bit down below, they have these pulled out quotes. Essentially what
the article is trying to say is, "Hey, these Christians who totally walked away from the
faith and now say it's all fake and it's not real and they don't want to be Christian at all,
we need to just walk with them in life. We need to accompany them." There's a quote a little bit
further down and I think it brings up this idea of walking with them or accompanying them on their
journey. Let me see if I can find that quote. The one on the right looks like he has-
It's Pope Francis. It starts out, it says, "Pope Francis." Yeah, there you go. "Pope Francis seems
to have the right read on the situation insofar as he has been calling for Catholic communities to
become communities of quote accompaniment." Now, what's interesting about Rhett and Link is they
were a big part of Campus Crusades. They were missionaries and they were on staff and they went
out and then eventually they said they felt awkward for leading worship music and not feeling
spiritual or Christian or caring about any of those things. I just kind of wonder, did you feel
like some of the people you're working with or the people you met like they weren't even Christian
at all or they just kind of didn't even care about the things of Christ or do you feel like
you met a lot of sincere people? My story with Campus Crusade, I started attending before I was
saved and it was funny because they had a floor program when I was in the engineering side of
campus where from Campus Crusade where they would buy pizza for the floor and they would ask you
questions and I started attending Campus Crusade and then the leader actually asked the question
on our floor you know what do you have to do to get to heaven and I didn't know the answer but I
felt obligated to answer because I'm not drinking and partying I'm part of Campus Crusade and I
remember directly saying that as long as you think that what you're doing is correct even if you're
Saddam Hussein then you will go to heaven and they never told me how to get to heaven like the leader
of Campus Crusade he never told me how to get to heaven but someone I met in college that I had
classes with gave me the gospel and so we started to realize that most people in Campus Crusade
aren't saved because we realized you have to believe in eternal security to be saved so we
started to try to talk to people about eternal security in Campus Crusade and we kind of became
the outcast because we're causing division because we felt bad for all these people where we realized
a lot of them aren't saved and most of them you know were definitely not saved and honestly since
it's been so long if i were to go back maybe some of the people that i thought were saved
might not have been either maybe they could have been mixed up under pensive sins and things like
that but i'm sure the organization has gotten worse in the last you know 15 years how could it
be worse it's funny it's a it's like a missions program and he's trying to get them saved he's
trying to get the missionary saved and these christian workers saved and then he gets ostracized
for trying to get people saved like that just that just almost seems like an oxymoron it's just kind
of sad that that's the state of christianity in america today but you have to get the the
missionary saved it's like people that uh they start learning the right doctrine they get really
zealous and fired up and they try to change the church from the inside out it never works
yeah maybe in rare situations um i understand the desire to try to do that my experience is it just
just doesn't work well of course you know it sounds like it was great that you were at least
able to reach some people and get some people saved and i'm sure i would think a lot of people
that are involved in that would probably be pretty receptive you know given someone actually teaching
them and showing them what the bible says because they're already so some zeal some inclination
towards the things of god and wanting to know some of these questions i think it's kind of funny that
someone would even ask the question how do you get to heaven and then not answer it like i i just
that's kind of baffling to me like i would think if you didn't know the answer you wouldn't want to
even ask that question but that's kind of uh crazy yeah this rat link guy they they've deconstructed
from christianity they used to be missionaries and i think unfortunately the reality is that
missions missionaries and and kind of evangelists kind of have a bad reputation and i feel like
it's because of so many cringe things so many fakes frauds and even just people that are ill
equipped like maybe they have a sincere desire to do missions work but they just kind of have bad
guidance bad leading and so they don't really know how to succeed and that's why i think it's
important to bring someone on on like pastor stuckey and we even know of others we have an
ordained evangelist evangelist or bannock and try to show like there are real missionaries in the
world today there are people going out there and doing the work preaching the gospel getting people
saved they're not all just misguided or looking for a nice vacation abroad or something but the
sad reality is i mean i remember going to old ivy churches and they have the missionary news
newspaper or newsletter and it's just like it's all about like their personal life i mean it's
just like little johnny got his first haircut and my wife finally you know swept the house again
and we're you know hoping to invite somebody to church this week and it was just it was just like
i'm just kind of thinking like why would i get a new like i can't even imagine writing that
newsletter can you imagine writing a newsletter just telling us about your hobbies and shopping
for a week yeah you know it reminds me of like sermons where pastors just tell stories and
don't give any verses like i don't know how they do it i mean my sermons are long but that's because
i have a lot of verses that i'm explaining it's the same thing i don't know how they they do that
with newsletters because when i write mine i just talk about soul winning events and uh you know
outside of that i just feel kind of weird talking about small things about my everyday life well to
me i don't see the difference even though you brought up a fundamental baptist church there
pastor shelly there isn't a giant distinction between the way that some fundamental baptist
churches engage in missions and the video we watched from that non-denominational liberal
church in the sense that both are paying for people to go abroad and get no one saved so it's
like and and i went to a fundamental baptist church that had a mission trip to haiti where
the main goal was to build a school or rebuild some sort of damaged school or something like
that and i'm not trying to sound heartless and i'm not trying to sound like it's bad to help
poor people it's not but what's more important than that is the spiritual it's getting people
sealed with the holy spirit of promise for all of eternity going to heaven and there's no eternal
profit helping someone carnally there's no eternal profit in helping someone carnally and then leaving
them to die and go to hell while you go back to the united states and virtue signal to your friends
about how you helped a black kid in africa build a tiki hut yeah and we have some more clips i want
to play in a little bit but i want to kind of get your perspective here pastor stuckey do you feel
like there's some misconceptions about being a missionary or just the people are people even
confused about what you do yeah i actually when i visited sacramento in 2019 after we've been out
here a year the sermon i proved one of the sermons i preach was misconceptions about missions
and so obviously this can vary depending on what country but let me just uh i've got it printed
out uh because one of the things here in the philippines is that if you're going to be a
baptist uh pastor or start a church that you have to be 100% fully in the ministry from day one
or you're not called of god and what takes place is the wives will often work to provide money for
the husband and the husband's not able to work because he's got to be 100% devoted uh to the
service of god so to speak and so one of my what about what about paul paul yeah exactly and um
you know the first misconception i had in the sermon was that missionaries you know have to be
100 full time and you know it's a weird mindset to me because honestly when i moved to sacramento i
told pastor minas i visited before we moved i told him about my plans and i told him i had a
desire to be a pastor here in the philippines i never even conceived about the idea of being
full-time or underneath the church because i don't believe in the deputation system
i don't think it's biblical i knew that with new ifb churches and verity baptists that's not the
system they would use so i figured i have to make financial plans to get a full-time job
save up money be self-sustaining just as if you would start a church in the u.s
you know you can't expect that you're going to be full-time from day one because the church is
going to have to grow and be in a position to be financially stable so i think one of the big
things people should consider if they're going to be a missionary is to be financially stable and
what i would say is prepare for the fact that you're going to have to work or be self-sufficient and
if the opportunity comes that you can get a lot of support and praise god because there's obviously
nothing wrong with a pastor being paid or a missionary being paid i just think a lot of
people have the wrong mindset i think a lot of people are kind of trying to dodge the secular
work you know secular jobs when it comes to people that are being sent out of baptist churches
and so they want to just be full-time from day one i don't really think it's the right philosophy
to take but that was one of the misconceptions i had um number two was uh the misconception
that the church on the mission field doesn't you know should not strive to become financially stable
um obviously it's great if you can be supported by churches but at the same time i know as a
pastor that we're trying to start a lot of churches one of the big things i want to do is for each of
the individual churches to be financially stable because otherwise you know the whole system is
going to crumble and you're going to have trouble starting new churches well don't don't a lot of
these churches and correct me if i'm wrong but they're almost like building these big buildings
and investing a lot of money into these foreign churches before they really even have a congregation
before they're even thriving right and so they're almost set up to where you know it's it's very
unlikely that they could ever be financially stable and i think that there's a lot of baggage
with that i mean the guy that's also there feels obligated to keep the thing going because now they
have this building they invested all this money the church might feel obligated to keep investing
into this program or that specific area and you know i think that it seems like and i could be
wrong but it does seem like other churches and other missions programs don't really consider
the receptivity of an area they're not like necessarily thinking like is this area going
to be a great place to build a church they kind of just assume like everywhere is a great place
to start a church and we just need to have a literal church everywhere whereas you know
you're in the philippines and it is a great place to start a church but you know some people are
starting them in other places like i saw you're going to do missions trip in north korea i don't
know if that's like the best place to to try and just invest hundreds of thousands of dollars just
right off the bat before you can even get a congregation going i mean do you see that as something
where people are trying to invest a lot of money in areas that maybe just aren't even that receptive
yeah you know so when you think of like us being in asia people have asked me before for planning
to do missions trips in other countries in asia and i just kind of think to myself you know i don't
know how many people were going to get saved in those areas people wouldn't even be able to get
visas necessarily from the philippines to go to those areas obviously the north korea one was
a joke but when you look at some of the other countries it's kind of like why not wait where it
is open to the gospel rather than because there's so many areas that need good churches you know why
not focus on the areas that are receptive and that you can do a big work one thing i did want to
mention the other point from the misconception because it kind of ties together this philosophical
idea of missions that i believe is wrong and a broken system but um one mindset people have is
that on the mission field it's a hundred percent about soul winning and it's not about doctrine at
all so i listen to a lot of sermons on missions just so i can be educated and i read articles
and oftentimes baptist missionaries will say things like you know what difference does it make your
view on the end times how does that affect getting souls saved in papua new guinea or you know
wherever which of course we know that the churches that are on fire for god and preaching the truth
and correct on doctrine are also the churches getting a lot of people saved well what takes place
is the symbiotic relationship where the sending churches need the missionaries so they can record
a big number of salvations or have these pictures where they're feeding all these children or
whatever and the missionaries need the sending churches and so what takes place is churches on
the mission field especially in poor countries will have a massive emphasis on children's ministry
even more so than Baptist churches in the U.S. and it looks great you can have a picture with
because as an American I could get you know a ton of young children just to visit our church
on a Sunday you know without their parents and it would look great you take pictures
and the reality is that when churches are doing this they're usually very bad on the gospel
they're not preaching the whole truth the sermons are short and shallow and it's kind of this idea
that on the missions field it's done completely differently i don't i don't take that approach
i preach long sermons here i preach controversial sermons here we're zealous on soul winning that's
not just a hundred percent about soul if that makes sense yeah i mean i've visited uh verity
baptist uh church in manila and it's a thriving church a lot of people were in the church uh when
i visited a lot of people went out soul winning um on saturday and sunday while i was there and i
was a very short trip for me so um i'd had a brief uh visit but a lot of people were very
zealous very tuned in with the church and to me it was very evident that god is working in that area
not only to just get people saved that people are actually making changes they're
changing their lifestyle and again these people are real people like it they have real lives they
have a real husband a real wife they have real children they're in a dark and sinful world why
in the world would they not need doctrine like that that's almost like saying like their lives
aren't important or something to me if you want to downplay the importance of doctrine or saying
like maybe these people aren't smart enough to understand doctrine but we don't see the apostle
paul holding back on any kind of doctrine he even says that explicitly that you've fully known my
doctrine and when he's talking to these churches in the epistles he's laying down virtually every
kind of doctrine you could think of and these are newly formed churches that are in areas that
weren't traditionally necessarily places where people are reading the bible i mean obviously
the jews always had the bible there were synagogues all over but generally speaking there's a lot of
gentiles he's reaching who don't have a christian upbringing don't have maybe a lot of bible
upbringing but they are specifically being taught all the doctrines of course getting
someone saved they're trying to reach people at first we just bring up the gospel and emphasize
that but once they're in church i feel like everything's on the table why why would i ever
hold anything back pastor stuckey right that's that's the exact way i look at it i mean the
the only slight difference in the way i preach here versus in the u.s is just there are certain
things that are more of an issue here so i'm going to preach on it more and certain things
that are less of an issue but it's not that much different i mean i'm still preaching through the
whole bible verse by verse doctrinal sermons obviously when you were in town i preached a
pretty controversial sermon it was a great sermon i really i really like that sermon it made me want
to make a third documentary what was a trinity of of sermons on like sodomite perception related
issues yeah it was specifically on the female homosexual so because we focus so much on how
wicked the males are which is obviously true and you know the cross dressers and all that but i
specifically focus attributes of female pigs like it mentions the sow and jude it mentions the dog
and the sow together but it uses the feminine for the sow the masculine for the dog and so i
believe and you know studying out on pigs i do believe what the bible is saying is that the pig
is the term for a sow for a female homosexual which if you look at the attributes of uh female
pigs they i mean it shows how vile and disgusting they are even above other animals and so um so it
was specifically on that topic rather than just focusing on homosexuality in general but of course
that's not really the sort of sermon that generally is preached on the mission field because they
usually preach sermons on salvation a lot of shorter sermons a lot of programs to bring in
kids and it's a good way when they do that to attract a lot of money from the u.s because it
looks very good but you know as you said pastor shelly we have real people at our church and you
know i know these people i love these people we have people that are reading their bible through
several times a year and you don't become mature as a christian via a 20-minute shallow sermon
that doesn't preach the entire word of god you know we need all of the bible i need all the bible
not just the members i need to hear the whole word of god preached not just shallow sermons yeah and
i think there's probably a little bit of a bias there where missionaries perhaps don't want to
talk about doctrine very much just because they don't want to upset any of their sending churches
or disrupt the flow of money that's coming into their churches so that's why they kind of stay
really generic and and really basic but that was a great sermon you know i have i never
heard a sermon like that i think an alternative title could be something like being married to
hillary clinton you know um might have been kind of more appropriate but how would you feel ben if
we went you know to your homeland we're over you know riding some camels and seeing magic carpets
fly around and some missionary came up they they got you into church and they said hey now that
you're saved we're really glad but we don't think you can really handle the bible we're not going
to really talk about you know the old testament or the end times or really kind of anything we
just we just want you know we're just going to preach you know really shallow sermons because
you just can't handle it how would that feel i mean it would suck i would you know i would
be very upset because i want to learn doctrine i want to learn what the bible says you're not
an american you can't really understand oh i can't understand yeah there is a little bit of that
this not that everyone feels that way but this america is smarter and better than everyone
there's a little bit of that attitude which you know the members at our church are very
intelligent people you know i oftentimes i find myself listening after church you know a lot of
them are very successful in their secular fields and they talk about all manner of topics and i'm
just learning and thinking man you know we have a lot of very smart and educated people and it's
it's offensive when they take that approach but that is a common sort of idea on the mission field
with a lot of people i guarantee that the vast majority of the members of his church can run
laps around your average christian in america today and that's that's what's sad that you would
have this misconception about people from afar as if they somehow can't understand the bible
and this is what's fascinating to me you think about the people that are over there they often
speak multiple languages they usually have to get up much earlier their their traveling conditions
are much more difficult so they have a lot more character and just and work ethic in a lot of a
lot of cases many times they have to work just as hard or harder to earn a very meager and modest
salary um they're they're usually very knowledgeable on a lot of daily activities that we take for
granted because we just have so many devices and so many tools and servants you know things just
like modern conveniences of dishwashers and microwaves and everything else and they don't
have all those luxuries necessarily and so i think some of the misconceptions of these people being
like lower class citizens or less educated is often in many cases a complete misnomer i mean
when you meet someone that speaks multiple languages is that an indication this person's just
so uneducated and so so dumb they can't understand the bible no that that's condescending it's
patronizing it is insulting their intelligence and i wonder if it comes from a place of maybe
just having a lack of zeal for doctrine perhaps that's the issue as well you know there's this
attitude if it's not salvation who cares i mean we even have pastors in our movement who at times
have been criticized for quote-unquote fighting about different issues and i've heard and seen
people say things like well how come you're not just focusing on the gospel pastor yeah we do get
that over here even you get that over here so i i think there's probably a little bit of that attitude
as well but to me if you're going to be out there in a foreign country and preaching the gospel
obviously but i would also think that part of your mission would be to invest in people so that they
can be well rounded so that they can live for god and be well rounded and well balanced and to me
that's not possible if you're not teaching them doctrine and in order to do that you have to
preach the entire council of god all scripture is given by inspiration of god it is profitable
for doctrine i like that point so is there another misconception you had i don't want to cut i didn't
mean to cut you off on on your sermon here because it's been so far those are the those are the three
that i put down i kept it kind of simple i mean there's a lot of like smaller ones but um the
philosophical approach to missions you know in terms of deputation i'm not sure if you have that
on the list to talk about that's a major problem with how they're sending missionaries there's
many reasons why that doesn't work so i preached a sermon on just the concept of missions several
months back i have several points there why deputation and this yeah i mean we can i call
deputation like hibernation let's explain that though for viewers who are unaware of what you
mean by deputation can you go back to basics on what that means i think why you stand against it
i think that's good because i also i got to preach at the red hot preaching conference for the first
time uh several years ago i can't remember the exact date i'm thinking like 2019 maybe and my
sermon was to go to church though i might and in that sermon i talked a little bit about missionaries
and what i had brought up is it was interesting to me how there was this uh individual who had
contacted me in our church and was asking for money and he was japanese and he wanted to
or i'm sorry i had the reverse he was hispanic and he wanted to go to japan
and like be a foreign missionary and he didn't speak the language and so he's like trying to
raise money to like learn japanese right yeah of course oh yeah you could do it in just a few
days especially yeah you speak spanish fluently and you could go straight to mexico where there's
ample opportunity to get people saved but no we want you know jose to go to narita japan or
something and try to reach the japanese people like it just it was just kind of mind-boggling
like how someone comes to such a conclusion but i'm sure you probably have even more knowledge
on that subject like when it comes to deputation what does that look like what are people trying
to accomplish here so to keep it simple in case people aren't familiar um deputation is this system
and i'm specifically looking at ifb churches churches that are relatively similar to us um
but basically uh you're part of a church and then you will go around to just a bunch of churches
over the course of two years you'll email you'll call all these churches try to set up appointments
and you'll make a video presentation and preach a sermon that's not going to offend them because
your goal is to actually get them to support you financially and so depending on where you're
going you're going to have to get more or less money so if you went to Japan you're probably
going to have to raise a lot of money to be self-sustaining especially if you're going to
be a hundred percent full-time which is what their goal is from day one whereas if you go
to a poorer country you wouldn't have to raise as much money but you're basically going around
from church to church and they deny this they don't want to but really it's it's you're begging
for money and to beg I am ashamed is just I feel weird asking people for money you know and I'd
say that if someone is is a hard worker you feel weird even if you need money you would feel weird
asking for money but they go around to churches for a couple years asking for money and you know
the way they try to prove this scripturally as a biblical thing is in third John where it talks
about the charity of gaius bring someone along their journey on a godly sort but i don't look
at that as somebody going to the mission field i think it's just called hospitality to someone
who'd be in town visiting that is you know like-minded a good person that might need a
little bit of help but some of the issues with deputation is the system promotes compromisers
if i was trying to get money from a baptist church then of course i'm not going to preach
something they disagree with and so i couldn't preach sermons on salvation because if i'm very
clear about what i believe on salvation most churches are not going to support me i tell them
repentance of sins is work salvation you have to believe in eternal security to be saved i'm not
going to get any support from most churches and so the system does not promote the best candidate
it's going to promote compromisers it also promotes this idea of covetousness because
you know you're trying to say what you need to say in order to raise money
another point i have from this sermon is it also promotes christians that are often novices or
babes in christ so at my own church in west virginia we would have a lot of people come in
and they wanted to be missionaries and you know the pastor would have them go soul winning with
the assistant pastor and myself or one of the other soul winners at church and we would always
let them take the first door and we would just listen to them and many times these people that
are going to set the world on fire in these other countries the gospel was so bad that you felt
embarrassed being beside them at the door you could tell they did not know what man i mean if
you've ever had those experiences you're with someone and you're just like oh please let this
end this is horrible yeah i have a lot of stories there i don't want to go in too big of rabbit
trails with that but it was it was obvious and some of these people they have zeal they have
a desire they just they just don't have the knowledge but here's the problem if somebody
comes in and visits your church you don't know anything about them you have no idea whether
they're godly it's kind of like if somebody were to ask you for money on the street you know maybe
their story is a hundred percent real but you have no idea if that's true or not the difference with
the way we do missions and instead of supporting a lot of churches you know for a small amount
whereas i'm supported underneath Verity Baptist Church is that when i went to the mission field
uh you know for example um your church pastor Shelly you donated a lot of money to our church
right honestly you don't know me that well we had only met a couple times um briefly in the US um
you weren't donating to me because of my sermons or anything like that but because of the credibility
of pastor Jimenez the reputation of pastor Jimenez and Verity Baptist Church and you knew that if
pastor Jimenez is ordaining and sending somebody out i know what uh brother Stuckey believes on
salvation i know what he believes about the rapture i know what he believes about the king james bible
so you know far more about me even though you had hardly met me before whereas with deputation if
people come in you don't know anything about them and so you have no idea if they're a good
candidate or not and you know one of the last things is it's very careless with money because
if you're staying at a bunch of hotels and being on the road either the church is paying for that
bill or the person on deputation so it's not a system that's that works and you can read articles
online where sort of like off the record baptist will say hey we got to talk about this deputation
system because it's a broken system how do we fix it nobody wants to say anything because you're
rocking the boat but the system just is not working at all most people that go on deputation
they never finish and they never go to the missions field i believe the percentage was
60 that i read end up quitting before they go to the mission field because you know they
already get the money like how does i don't know how that works but did they already raise some of
that money prospects like i don't think the money was already sent to them but it's like promise to
them yeah but their pledges or something like that and then since they didn't go at least they didn't
waste money right but how are they paying for this traveling around the world like because they're
traveling all over the us like how are they paying for that it's either comes from churches that are
generous they might put you up in a hotel uh sometimes the missionaries have to pay for
themselves it's a very illogical system financially and people don't like like talking about finances
as if it's just going to work itself out but we need to be good stewards of money too and you know
instead of me traveling all over trying to get money to support me you know there are churches
that are like-minded that have sent money because they know pastor Jimenez or you send out a
missionary evangelist or bannock people know based on the reputation of steadfast baptist church
they already know a lot about him they know what he believes in everything yeah we have an incredible
we have an incredible online reputation and uh so you know of course that that really helps us
when you type in steadfast into google like just five stars everything like that no i want to
comment on something before you you i want to let you finish but you know obviously maybe we'd only
met a few brief times but at the same time i'd had a lot of people go out to the philippines
go soul winning with you or with your church um also you were giving newsletters about the progress
that you were having over there i watched some of your videos um you had pictures of course of some
of your soul winning events i know that we used to have kind of like a big uh worldwide kind of
soul winning event where we would talk about like having like the mega marathon and i was always
you know impressed by the numbers that would come from your part of the world and some of the work
that you guys were doing and so it wasn't just like yeah just one guy told me this is a good guy
and i'm just like let's go for it obviously there's a lot of information a lot of research
a lot of people's testimony you know to verify these kind of things but for many missionaries
there isn't such a thing you know it's this guy over in zimbabwe or whatever and there is no like
half of my church has gone over there and here's all the newsletters there's all the pictures of
their soul wanting efforts like you know there isn't a lot of tangible stuff you're really kind
of taking a leap of faith in my mind kind of blind faith plus even if you just read their own
newsletters they're not saying like we're getting all these people saved or whatever it's just like
we cleaned the house and I finally learned how to say hello in the language and you know it's like
hopefully I'll learn how to say cup next week or something it's just like you know it's pretty
evident there's a difference between uh pastor Stuckey and what Verity Baptist Church is doing
and what many other missionaries and mission programs are doing and you know you should know
a tree by its fruit so I think that you can see a lot of the fruit from y'all's ministry
and I'm glad that I actually got to go out there and personally experience it see what it's like
because you never really know what something's like until you go out there and you know I didn't
want to send an evangelist out there myself uh our evangelist Urbanic out there without having
ever been there or seeing it or kind of experience what some of the soul learning is like and again I
have such a very limited knowledge of the area still but I think at least gave me some idea of
what's kind of going on what to expect what um is realistic what's not realistic and that I never
want to drive any time I'm ever in Manila but yeah it's crazy yeah I totally I mentioned
we'll go ahead no go ahead let me just mention one other aspect of deputation I think a lot of
people are not familiar with it's called furlough and so this is a term you might hear in the
secular world but in terms of with uh deputation if you're getting a lot of support from a bunch
of churches a small amount eventually you have to go there and visit them right now and so basically
you know you've been on the foreign field for a long time so then once every 15 years you go back
to the U.S. and you're kind of doing deputation part two because you've lost some support churches
have closed so you're going around the new churches going back to the ones that you know
and basically you're going to be gone from the church that you are running for six months eight
months maybe a year and i understand the need to go and report your sinning church and of course
i visited very baptist church a couple times uh obviously it was hard during covid but it's been
back a few times i've been out here but i don't have to visit 100 churches because i'm being
supported by verity baptist church right so that's a problem with deputation well again you know i
could i could kind of understand or see if and and i've heard this from some missionaries they're
going to areas that are just very unreached um perhaps the language is just so obscure or so
different that it's almost impossible to learn from abroad or learn from afar they really do
kind of have to submersed themselves in that environment and the goal is to try and learn the
language then give them the gospel um you know i i guess i could see how in some cases it may be
kind of a long-term project or may not be very fruitful in the initial stages but at the same
time like my my view is if i only got so much time on this earth like it almost makes more sense to
just try and reach all the people that i can right now and the language that i have and going out
there but people that are trying to learn languages that you can learn from abroad to me i just i i
just don't see it i feel like you gotta you gotta put in the work here stateside go so wanting here
learn language from here if you really have that zeal and then go over there i don't think it makes
sense sending someone over to these crazy you know destinations and just they're just trying to learn
language for six seven years before they can even give the gospel somebody i mean how long would it
take for me to learn arabic then could i even do it i think you could but it would take a while it
would take years before you could get to a stage where you can give the gospel going out before
learning the language is almost like putting the cart before the horse well i wouldn't even know
how receptive it is i mean i could think like oh in my mind this is going to be so receptive
learn arabic for five years or something and then realize they're not even receptive like and then
it's just kind of been a big waste yeah that's very true of effort there and according to pastor
stuckey's statistic i might even quit you know i'm 60 chance likely i'm going to quit before i even
go over there let alone i don't even know what the success rate is of people that go over there
like how many people quit after going to like maybe through difficulty or you know probably
doing it probably and yeah but i want to play another clip we we have another clip here of
some in my mind misconceptions about missions let's see if we can play clip two here and let's get
some more thoughts this week we have an amazing volunteer team from transformation church and
we're here in tanzania my name is jennifer crofford and i am one of the co-founders for
asking for the nations and we've spent the last three days volunteering at a free medical clinic
also we are building two new classrooms so we've been out here early this morning and we're just
right now stacking these blocks in place so when they go ahead and start building the walls they
have the materials right then and there to just expedite the building process we're laying the
foundation we had said we're starting a vocational school and the minute we mentioned school we had
police officers coming to us we had neighbors coming to us we had pastors coming to us saying
we need an english medium primary school right here in this area five years ago when i came
none of this was here now getting to see all of this five years later is just unexplainable
yes this is a school but it's still god's house children learn here and it is going to continue
on for generations and generations to come people in tanzania do not have access to free medical
care it was an amazing clinic over 600 patients in three days okay so let me bring you into our
medical clinic um definitely not your western medicine experience
everybody is lined up person after person after person where are people that need to be seen
right now where are people supposed to be going where you're going to the yard aren't where they
are supposed to be you can kill it what have have you ever been to the hospital and there was no one
there ben i guess only during covid when we were having just an explosion of people at the hospital
and all the doctors were dancing to tiktok videos i mean what what in the world do you have a free
medical care ben no i don't well we need to send some missionaries to build you a clinic so you
can have free medical fw we need missionaries here in dfw apparently yeah i didn't realize that
public school was god's house now it's just it's a fundamental difference in what we mean by missions
and what they mean i think it's just that simple one is based purely on that which is carnal whereas
what we try to do is benefit people spiritually it doesn't even seem very efficient like how many
american people are good at building buildings like i mean how many people how many people are
literally instructions not to be sexist but i i just don't think the ladies are going to be
that effective with the building work either you know right like let's get a bunch of random
white chicks and whatever to just go and build these concrete structures like what do they even
know about maybe it was just for the camera and then when they got off camera or the or hey and
yeah Pedro yeah ended up taking over well at least at least it would finally make sense like
yeah if we're gonna send somebody to build a house wouldn't we be like all right
we know who we're gonna pick we decided we're gonna pick Jorge and Jose and Pedro like we're
not gonna send Shaniqua like we're hey let's get Shaniqua over there to build some kind of a school
or whatever like how does that even make sense i just don't see the difference between this
transformation church trip and secular organizations that go out and do these things and you have
philanthropists who give money to poor countries and people and they have this you have different
foundations going into what's the difference it's like they're doing the same thing except one
is just maybe mildly christian we have another clip let's see if we get the third clip of uh i
want to show a little bit of this video from youtube of mr beast so so mr beast i think he
maybe claimed he was christian at first but like he's not really making christian content he's not
like trying to be a christian or something like that but he went to africa and he has a pretty
popular video like a big video where they built 100 wells that was like their big thing over in
africa let's play just a little bit of this clip we can we can react to it as it as it plays
we're going to build in this video witnessed a small village in kenya get access to unlimited
clean drinking water in less than a second one down 99 more wells in africa to go you're going
to love video combined these 100 wells are going to give around half a million people fresh water
to drink and after building some more wells on this side of kenya we flew south to the school
system of nairiri and let's just say they were really happy to see us i was not expecting this
as we have aerial footage of a drone flying with all these people stacked up in a line
something tells me he was lying i mean can't you just see just putting some christian music
the school undertones on this like and it's what's been virtually identical virtually identical to
transformation church the video we just watched a few minutes ago this river that's extremely
unsafe to drink this is where your students used to get water from yes this is crazy yeah you know
students complaining of diarrhea infections like typhoid because this is the water we've been using
so we try to treat but you see look at it you know but at the end of the day life has to move on you
have to get some water anyway this situation is obviously extremely sad these children's lives
are being limited and sometimes cut short just the sad music look at that kid's face he's so sad
at least for this village i'm sure mr bees really cares right now i don't think he's not just doing
this for views let's see if we can find some water i mean this looks cool and again i i mean if people
want to go do this kind of thing i'm not going to condemn them for it i'm just saying yeah we need to
we need to redefine what missions work actually is is it going and giving people the gospel and
benefiting them spiritually or is it building a school building i mean again how many wells has
pastor stuckey how many wells have you built i'm not that good with construction so see this guy's
not even a real missionary i mean he's not even he's been over there for years and he hasn't even
built a single well i mean out there in the philippines how many schools have you built
yeah so far none we're working on it pastor stuckey we know you might not have built any
wells or schools and and you said you're working on it so we'll see what happens there but
pastor stuckey one thing we do know about you is that you've pissed off some false prophets out
there so at least you have that badge of honor right yeah we've started to run into some
persecution we just had somebody created it's definitely someone we kicked out of church i
can't know for sure but someone who created a youtube channel just to start attacking us
so that's kind of a recent thing i wonder what that's like we wouldn't yeah we wouldn't know
anything about that yeah you would not know at all would you right is it is it because you didn't
make enough wells is that the problem like you you just aren't giving water or something like
that i mean here's the thing obviously there's nothing wrong with giving people water or building
wells obviously people in the bible built wells yeah they're helping the poor obviously there's
nothing wrong with even giving housing or something like that is there not just like an obvious
like similarity between mr beasts video and then these other missionary videos whereas
you know what's what is the difference yeah what do you think pastor stuckey
and well here's the thing what's the root problem in these countries that are really poor um i don't
believe it's a physical problem if you want to get to the root of the matter i believe it's a
spiritual problem problem you look at uh you know i remember seeing a statistic a long time ago that
the country of india has the highest percentage of arable land of any country in the world and yet
um they've been gaining in wealth recently but they've been a poor country for a long time
because of their false religion because they don't eat the cow meat they let the mice and the rats
eat up all their grains it's not a physical problem it's a spiritual problem and um you know
pastor man as i listened to one of his sermons recently and he was talking about uh we're like
a devil will leave a body and come back and bring seven more and the last day to the man is worse
than the first he was talking about the importance of the spiritual change and not the physical
because you have organizations like alcoholics anonymous and i'm not necessarily saying it's a
bad organization i don't know much about it but that doesn't make the long lasting change in
someone long lasting change comes when people are going to church and hearing the word of god
and that's how you're making long changes to your life and so i think if we want to make long lasting
changes this country it's not a physical problem of silver and gold have i none but such as i have
i give me right it's a spiritual problem which is what we should be hitting at well and well and
again are we going to feed people fish or we want to give them the gospel we want to give them
doctrine we want to give them things that are spiritual that actually matter because you know
if these people actually have the gospel and learn the bible they could build their own wells like
they don't do they really need you know chenequa to come over there and build them huts and wells
and stuff now you know i want to i want to keep going but i also want to offer to our audience if
you've been listening and you want to call in our phone line is open two three one baptist you can
ask pastor stuckey a question live on air or if you'd like to share a testimony about maybe a
mission experience that you've had or something that you've experienced or seen i know that
i've had a lot of different experiences with talking with different individuals who go on a
missions trip i wish i had had i was thinking on my phone i had like a voice recording of somebody
but there was this one missionary somewhere in germany i believe it was and specifically they
wanted me to give them money and it's uh i was kind of asking him about salvation like i wanted
to kind of check and he was giving me some weird answers and then all of a sudden he's just like
do you believe in the play trip rapture just like out of nowhere just like the conversation
nothing he was i know this is like i said well that's not really a test of fellowship for me
or anything like you know i care more about the gospel and he was like do you believe the
preacher rapture and i was like well honestly no and he's just like i gotta go and then he just
hung up on me after like he just wanted to know where i wasn't in time a loser and uh it's kind
of crazy he didn't want my money if i didn't believe in the preacher rapture but even when
we talk about building these houses and wells i know my my wife she went on one of these
mission ships when she was younger and i think that they were building roofs or i could be
remembering incorrectly but she was part of one of these were building stuff but she told me like
she would go out and she would talk to the kids invite them to church and she even tried to give
the gospel to them um and she did give the gospel to one young girl and she prayed with her and um
i mean it seemed like a successful like opportunity like get someone saved or anything like that but
then i remember my my wife was saying like afterwards when she's talking to this girl
uh this little girl kind of indicated like maybe that does it happen before
and and my my wife then kind of asked her about it and she's like oh yeah i get saved every year
whenever the missionaries come here and you know they just kind of like are going through
the motions and understanding what's happening um you know i'm glad that it didn't discourage
my wife from wanting to still be a soul winner and preach the gospel later in life and everything
like that but you know you kind of have to wonder like how well are these people doing
at any of these jobs like are they're going into it they're not a construction expert and if they're
not necessarily even a soul winning expert it's like you're just taking people on glorified
vacations like what is the what is the goal here well there's a few comments in the chat i wanted
to share and then get your guys's reaction to the first one valiant armory says man this topic is
really fire my mom spent something like two thousand dollars plus to go to mexico with
the church from alaska to build a shed sized house for someone the whole time they weren't allowed
to talk to anyone so that kind of goes along with uh we their name is valiant armory i don't know
what you what did i say i don't know i don't think yeah did i say something else i was just like uh
yeah sorry about that if i botched your name another comment and i want to get your guys's
reaction to this specifically it says right here uh this is beans and taters i understand what you
all are saying but at the same time i don't think there's anything wrong with helping meet people's
physical needs in addition to their spiritual ones not all areas and communities have access
to secular organizations to come and do these things you can meet both the physical and
spiritual needs that's the gist of it what are you guys reaction to that i'm not saying there's
anything wrong with meeting physical needs necessarily it's just that there's no spiritual
needs being met whatsoever what do you think well again i think what we're trying to distinguish
here is the difference between doing good and being a missionary the apostle paul was not going
out there and meeting people's physical needs like it's just it's just really just a fact he
was going out there and trying to meet their spiritual needs because there's a lot of ways
that physical needs can be met and i'm not against them the bible brings them up the bible says to
remember the poor um you know there's nothing wrong with feeding people jesus cared about
people's physical needs obviously even the lord's prayer uh we're thanking the lord for our daily
bread but at the end of the day a missionary his goal is to preach the gospel his goal is to
come out there and meet spiritual needs because no one mr beast is not going to meet your spiritual
needs mr beast could show up like he's not even preaching the gospel he could show up and meet
your physical needs god could send someone to meet your physical needs that's not even saved
but you know the person that is the most important is the one that's going to come meet your
spiritual need making sure that you're on your way to heaven and trying to get you zealous for the
things of god reading the bible and so you know there's a lot of ways that people's physical
needs could be met in manila that are not pastor stuckey but what pastor stuckey brings to the
table is a he's a spiritual giant he's a zealous man of god and he's on fire for the lord and he
can bring the gospel he can bring baptism he can bring church he can bring the right bible
and he can bring a lot of great doctrines um you know from your perspective pastor stuckey i mean
you these physical needs really on the radar of y'all's missions program i mean
i maybe correct me if i'm wrong here but it seems like it's not necessarily the highest priority
right i i agree with everything you said another thing i'd like to add is and i'm sure you're the
same way you know sometimes you have members at church that are good people and they're
struggling financially and our church has helped members out before that are going through a rough
time and you know my standard of giving money is to give it to those that are godly the bible
speaks about uh you know in the context of reaping what you sow you know in a good way
remembering the household of faith so above anything is remembering those that are saved
and helping them out so you know for me if someone's unsaved you know i want to give them the gospel but
if someone is a member of a church and they're a good person they fall in rough times and they're
not trying to use the church they just are struggling you know we have helped out people
but i do believe in the bible you see the principle of helping out those that are godly and not just
you know any random person and you know earlier you're mentioning about the country of of haiti
brother ben and you think about like the earthquakes that have sent and sent to haiti and this might be
offensive to people but it's like yeah that was the wrath of god that was poured out and so when
you're pouring in all this money to try to like undo the wrath of god it doesn't really make a
whole lot of sense obviously the problem with a country like that is a spiritual problem not a
physical so yeah i'm not against helping people um physically or financially but i would definitely
be veering toward those that are godly people above just random people because i have people
that ask me for money all the time as an american in the philippines and if i gave money to every
single person then i'd have to start begging for money to be honest so yeah and you kind of wonder
i mean how much is money going to hades just funneling through to nefarious people is it
really going to actually help anybody like what percentage now we do have a caller so i want to
try and go to our caller here um we have uh brother kin on the phone brother kin can you hear us
hey how's it going how's it going yeah you might be you're a little bit quiet i don't know if we can
turn you up or maybe speak into the speaker a little bit louder i want to make sure everybody
can hear you loud and clear is that is that better yeah that's way better uh brother kin where you
from uh i'm from alaska oh man that's out there uh so i i got a i guess a funny story about these
mission strips um you guys kind of talked about a little bit when i posted in the chat but um it
basically my mom spent thousands of dollars to go on this mexico missions trip and they got to the
airport in mexico they were loaded on to a bus by private security they were taken to a hotel they
were instructed not to leave the hotel until security picked them up again they were loaded
back up on the bus taken to a job site offloaded by private security no one from mexico was there
at the job site they then built this kind of like lean-to shed and the whole crew was pretty much
exactly what you would think it was like a collection of sodomites and multi-haired feminists
and just this you know a collection of the work people you can imagine and my my mom just has
pictures of her you know writing on the walls so she wasn't even helping like i mean like literally
just like writing bible verses and you know on the walls and then they painted over them you know and
and then she got loaded back on a bus and taken to a hotel and sent home at the end of it all mission
mission accomplished never got to speak to a single person in mexico never shared the gospel
with anybody and it's like you know there goes a couple thousand dollars of words money it's
almost like we want to make these people poor because it's not like people from mexico don't
know how to build things they literally build everything in america i mean ever been to america
they're coming over here and they're building our skyscrapers and building these giant
commercial buildings and the houses over here and then we go over there and build them like a
tin hut that could be blown over by the big bad wolf like it is that not insane like we go over
there and show them how not to build and then they come over here and literally build all of
our structures it's almost like an oxymoron if you think about it we had we had friends that
went to africa as like medical missionaries and they spent two years in i think it was like nambia
and they didn't share the gospel to a single person after two years of living in the country
but i mean they did a lot of medical stuff have you ever been to mexico brothers or pastor zucky
yeah i went actually with pastor inderson a really long time ago but it was like a half a day trip
at the time i didn't speak spanish there's more for just entertainment yeah do they do you think
they they need some more like metal roof buildings over there or anything like they're really hurting
for those or what i'm sure they know more about it than the average you know american right it's
like um obviously if you live in a country and there's uh something that's in need then people
become proficient in how to do it right it doesn't really make a lot of logical sense you know like
i'm like by trade you know i was in college i got a math degree it's like what would i know about
the things that they deal with by no experience whatsoever so yeah that's just crazy and again
you know obviously a lot of women are not really in the construction industry uh it's kind of crazy
to just transport them over to mexico to build some i don't know what you're talking about my
wife constructs some pretty good sandwiches well i'm sorry i didn't think about that what about
mexican sandwiches no no american style oh yeah pbj i like pbj as well well maybe you know maybe
they can send some white women over to mexico to construct some sandwiches then there we go
yeah i mean at least at least we're bringing our expertise over there now finally i would like
to say this though like um before i really knew how to go soul winning like a structured way like
the way i became a lot better at soul winning was the soul winning demonstration between
pastor anderson and pastor burzins like long before he was a pastor and i had been trying
to preach the gospel uh you know for several years and i had watched i was already an infant
of fundamental baptist um but i didn't really you know have that at the church that i went to so i
was watching videos online and reading articles and all this information and my goal was to get
two people saved in my life um because i figured i could not just replace myself but then double
the amount and you know i think there's a lot of people that go on on some of these missions trips
and they don't really know about soul winning or how to do it properly and they really do think
that they're doing a good work it's not that they're uh you know just doing it to be seen a man i
mean that's definitely true in some cases but i think a lot of people they just don't know you
know what's real soul winning is they just haven't experienced that they haven't been in a church
that's really been pushing soul winning and i think in the past missions were probably a lot
better than now i think they used to be a lot more zealous for preaching the gospel whereas now i
think the deal has really kind of died out in these churches it seems like it's now just a
propaganda scheme to just keep raising money and i'm not really taking fault for a lot of people
going on these trips uh like brother ken said i don't think his mom had bad intentions i don't
think she even knew what she was getting into exactly i think it was more just the organizations
and these programs that people just keep funneling all their money ports and i think hopefully the
goal of this program is to to wake some people up to say stop funneling money to these programs
that don't really make any sense like if you're going to send some dollars anywhere send them to
pastor stuckey send them to a real missionary to a real church verity baptist church manila
and you know or other evangelists or you know if you're going to have some money to do something
yourself you know do it yourself missions trip makes a lot of sense i do we i think we still have
brother ken on the line do you have any questions for us before we let you go thanks for the call i
like i like your story do you have a question or anything before we uh move on uh no just to say
you know praise god for you guys you know i feel like my money is getting used uh as a maximum
investment for god so thank you yeah thanks so much for calling in god bless you brother ken and
again the phone lines are open if anybody else wants to call in two three one baptist uh we're
taking call ins uh if you want to ask a question if you would like to share a story with us we'd
like to hear that i had a question for the both of you we've talked a lot about what mission trips
shouldn't be and where people are going wrong yeah don't build mcdonald's over yeah well i
was actually hoping that maybe we can go in that direction but anyway my point is what is the
baptist bias on mission trips what should they be like what are the attributes of a biblical
mission trip in your mind and this is for both of you and i know it it might take a while to
explain but just give the high level basics here what are the attributes of a biblical mission
trip in your opinion well i don't think that you would say i could say that any mission trip
is supposed to just be exactly one uh specific cookie cutter model i think that there's going
to be different style missions trips based on the location based on the amount of time based on the
people that are there obviously if it's your first trip somewhere that's very under reach with the
gospel you probably need to focus on the gospel obviously if you've been getting a lot of people
saved and you're revisiting an area maybe then you focus in on baptism getting churches started
or pointing people to church obviously with pastor stuckey at his level you know they're going to be
doing much more than just evangelism or just preaching the gospel at doing discipleship trying
to get people zealous in their church and learning doctrine and so i think it's just you know looking
at the apostle paul looking at his example and looking at the different stages he went through
in his mission strips and following that same example his initial mission strips he's just
going out and just basically just preaching the gospel everywhere he can um he didn't even get a
lot of very very many people baptized he makes that a mention in the new testament that he wasn't
baptizing a ton of people and then when he would revisit now he's not revisiting just
general population areas he's revisiting churches specifically so he's going to churches he's
encouraging the brethren he's trying to train up other soul winners he's trying to get um
evangelists ordained he's trying to get pastors ordained bishops ordained deacons ordained he's
trying to encourage the brethren so i think obviously the mission strip is going to evolve
over time depending on the work that's done but what we don't see consistently is the
impossible building schools wells and just glorified building projects he's really building the church
which is people not even the building we don't even have a mention of them building buildings
we don't know if they met just houses most of the time or uh if they were borrowing or renting
buildings or i don't know exactly what all the different church structures were like
in the early church we know at least some were meeting in houses we know that that was a certainty
but you know it's not about physical buildings and physical projects it's about spiritual projects
and i want people to uh get the right idea of what missions should really look like we sent out an
evangelist to the philippines to help with pastor stuckey and just to help reach this vision of
getting people saved and you know i'm not looking for our evangelist to start building stuff become
a construction expert or to you know learn how to you know build a well or something like that i
want him to get people saved get them baptized get them plugged into church you know help build
churches get people zealous for the things of god um you know i don't know if i'm leaving out maybe
something obvious or something else you think of that would be a definition of a mission strip
here pastor stuckey for the mission strips we've done like we did uh we've had the one in manila
was kind of on hold for several years with covid um we're going to be doing one in less than three
months in sabu we're going to be partnering pastor sammy mensili at faith and verity baptist church
they're like-minded on doctrines they say they're a new ifb church um i've never met them in person
but i i know a lot of people that are from our church that have visited there they're doing a
lot of soul winning um next year we're planning not just the mission strip in manila but also
in beacol which is near our church there and what we focus on in these missions trips i personally
like working with other churches if that's possible i don't think that's the only way you can do it
it's just nice to be able to do both you know help out the church and also do a missions trip
but we really try to focus on the parks because you know if if we had the missions trip and it
was all door to door we would still get people saved but the truth is you're going to start
running into uh some language barriers you can't be as selective as who you talk to so from my mind
in the future i would love to have a lot of missions trips you know obviously we're not there
now but i'd love to have a lot of missions trips here in the philippines at different locations
my idea is really focusing on areas where they have big parks where they'd have a lot of people
meeting uh so it wouldn't be you know uh door to door obviously door to door so many is great and
we do that but obviously you know pastor shelley from visiting at the parks there's so many people
it's just a much more effective way if your number one goal is to get people saved yeah and i think
that's important to think about the people that are there i i really try to emphasize even on
some of our missions trips to have fun so that so that people will want to come back because because
to me what i don't want is i don't want to experience like brother ken was talking about
with his mother where she went on one missions trip it was like i want to know it's like i don't
want to go on that again or you know for people to walk away and just maybe not have enjoyed
themselves i want maximum enjoyment experience and i think also you know when you're talking
about a country like the philippines people may have an expectation you know especially from some
testimonies that it's a pretty receptive area so if you did take them to maybe some of the less
receptive areas or weren't giving them a great opportunity to get a lot of soul winning in they
may kind of feel disappointed or maybe bummed out so i could see why you want to go to parks and
and things like that i really enjoyed we got to go to some parks and do a lot of soul winning
where there's just a litany of people i mean just thousands of people out just out about walking
around virtually you can't run out of people and and it was fun it was fun to get to just
talk to tons of people and be able to give the gospel over and over again and try to get a lot
of people saved but you know when it comes to a missions trip i think that there's going to be a
lot of differences and i think that we want to make sure that to me that we're helping the people
that are coming out there with what they need the most and i want them to stay zealous you know and
you've got you've got a few missions trips or at least one to the bahamas brother ben was that like
a really big drag did you really hate it i mean what was your what was your feeling there it was
one of the greatest trips i've ever been on in my life and you brought up the importance of having
fun and you enabled us to do that we did a lot of great fellowship activities and had a great time
it was the time of my life and i made memories i'll never forget on that trip but in addition
to having fun we also did a lot of work we did a lot of soul winning and one other aspect i wanted
to add because you both described biblical mission trips and what they should look like
and some of the attributes you look for in a trip but one other thing i want to add is just
getting a chance to go to the public schools and preaching to hundreds of kids and talking to them
and giving them the gospel in some cases one-on-one and other cases actually speaking to an entire
classroom and getting the chance to do that and our mission trip to the Bahamas courtesy of
steadfast baptist church was powerful it was an immense impact that we were able to make on those
schools to get those people the gospel yeah that was a lot of fun we got to really we got a great
open door to preach to a lot of schools and i feel like i've seen pictures of you guys also getting
some opportunities or have y'all been able to to get into a lot of schools and and preach the
gospel to a lot of the students yeah we have but honestly it's a lot more strict now it's really
hard to get into the schools we were able to set up just a little bit during the missions trip but
you know here in Pampanga where we are we've been turned down from basically every school that we
went to they just have new rules i think not just after covid but with our new vice president that's
kind of in charge of the education department they're very strict against it also in metro
manila most areas turn us down we found most of the principals here are homosexuals so obviously
they're not and so well you wonder like why are there so many lgbt in the philippines why is it
so prominent you know that's one of the reasons my wife used to be a teacher in the philippines a
while back and her principal was a homo you know where she was a teacher and so there used to be
more opportunities they seem more strict now um we're hoping that they'll be less strict in the
future uh you know it's hard to see those are definitely awesome opportunities very exciting
too is this like a lot of dykes or are you talking about like male homosexual dogs or pigs
dogs oh really wow a lot of dogs that's gross i could see how there's a lot of pigs you know
over in america a lot of the teachers and principals are female here um and it's kind
of confusing to americans because you think of like going to a school to preach the gospel like
no one's allowed to do that but that's just because you have this weird american mindset but
a lot of foreign countries especially you know in times past are very open to evangelists and
missionaries coming into their schools directly and preaching the bible um i know in the bahamas
we had a great opportunity i don't know how long of an open door that will be so you always want
to take advantage of those opportunities like you said it's kind of changed a little bit where you're
at and uh maybe god willing he'll he'll change that back um but you know it's just kind of
frustrating to see the influence of these you know reprobates in schools and they're of course
propagandizing and evangelizing their doctrine and trying to teach what they believe about
everything and you know it'd be nice if we had some christians that would have the boldness and
the character to be willing to preach what we believe which is the most important truth
out there now i do have someone asked a question and it's a very serious question
that i want to ask you pastor stuckey it's do you miss american food uh you know honestly not that
much my wife misses American food more than me um my wife's more into steak and burgers than me so
uh there are things that are better in the Philippines and things that are worse so kind
of like i'm very much into fruit and there are a lot of fruits that grow much better here in the
Philippines than they would the U.S. but you know berries don't grow very well here apples don't
grow as well as at least as they did in West Virginia well i feel like monsanto's got better
fruit you know i mean they they grow it in the lab over here a lot better no i i when i was over
they had some interesting fruits don't they have like yellow watermelon yeah they have a lot of
things that are unique sometimes people ask me what's the word for this in english i'm like
i don't i don't even know what that is what are you talking about yeah we don't have that in
america so trade selector in the chat room says that he's been to hawaii and the philippines
and the philippines definitely has the better beaches he says some of the best in the world
google borrow k and palwan i'm sure that's exactly how you pronounce those two beaches
morocca and palawan i was close a person took me a second i'm like what is what did he say
no um weird arabic american i got it close all right i don't know what accent that is
that was super close what do you think can you corroborate that one pastor's talking
so i've never been to those two specific areas there's one i've been to um subic bay that is
really nice what i like about it is probably less crowded uh when i grew up everyone would go to
ocean city when i was a kid and it would always be crowded so you know i kind of like subic bay
i've never been to those places though i'm sure they are nice the one thing i'll say is that when
people come for the missions trip to uh metro manila i feel bad because people get this idea
this is what all of the philippines is like it's like no this is san francisco it's new york city
it's not there's a lot of nice areas in the philippines there's a lot of jews in manila
not that many i do have a story about one the one filipino jew that we ran into he was mocking the
death of jesus while someone was preaching the gospel he's like oh oh i'm in pain you know oh
i'm jesus ouch ouch while someone was preaching the gospel that's my only experience i thought
that jews loved the bible and they love jesus it must be an exception there's a lot of exceptions
to that rule when it comes to the jews it seems like interesting disgusting what what is it with
uh jews living in the most crowded disgusting cities all over the world that just doesn't
that are with lgbt stuff going on i don't i don't know if they're how does that make sense
yeah they just have a lot of power what what about the uh the language you know we got the
big youtube we got is when i preached on quorum from the book of esther and i just talked about
how they celebrate it it's like youtube strike i didn't even say anything offensive i was just
like this is how they celebrate it read from articles youtube strike is there a big language
barrier out there pastor stuckey i won't try and pronounce the name of the language so that i don't
get uh tagalog there we go you know what what is it go ahead and tell me what language i thought
it was tag log so i apologize if that's not the way to say it but go ahead pastor stuckey so um
it depends on where you live um the younger generation they are taught in english in schools
like the subjects the books even for like whatever subject or in english if you go to college you
have to have a strong english background so with the younger generations it's going to be rare
for people that aren't very good at english for the older generations you'll run into some people
that are not as good and in some of the more countryside areas they're not going to necessarily
be as good one thing that's interesting in the philippines people speak very good english but
their perception of their ability is in a very humble way so a lot of people would say they
don't really speak english when in reality they are fluent it's just they have a humble view of
themselves so for soul winners you really should go with confidence as you're talking to people
because people can get this idea they're a bit hesitant or a bit shy like oh they don't speak
english when in reality usually they do you just have to be kind of bold and not show any fear and
just confident and make them realize it's normal but where we are there's not really much of a
language barrier in Manila and Papanga. I preach all the sermons in English. I do preach the gospel
in Tagalog especially if they have more problems with English but usually what I find is I start
in Tagalog and then during the conversation I just switch to English because they're completely
comfortable and so from my experience where I am there's not much of a language barrier but I'm
sure there are in some areas. So they probably speak English better than Ben is what basically
the gist that I'm getting. I mean the Philippines is a very pro-America country so they listen to
the music, movies and all that stuff. So they like Joe Biden or what? Wait what's that? Do they like
Joe Biden? I'm not sure. I'm not sure if they would or not. Probably more Donald Trump I would think.
What about like obviously there's a lot of LGBT people over there. What about the general populace
though? Do they have a favorable view towards those people or do they dislike them or are
they just kind of like neutral? What is their viewpoint? So the most in-depth statistics I've
seen in comparison to other countries is that the Philippines is the third most pro-LGBT country in
Asia, number one being Taiwan, number two Thailand, and it would often chart in the top 10 most pro-LGBT
countries. But it's not just because of this modern generation. If you look at the history,
the roots of the Philippines, it's a very pro-feminist, pro-LGBT country. So for example,
in the language, sha or sia is the word for he and it's the word for she. They don't have a
distinction between male and female because they don't want to be offensive when the language is
actually came out. And so gender neutral pronouns are here. But it's kind of like countries often
never really go away from their roots. And a lot of people are saying we got to bring back the old
Filipino culture where the natives are running things. And actually the homosexuals were the
spiritual leaders in the Philippines if you go way back before Ferdinand Magellan and Catholicism
came in. And so I preached a sermon on that before and went through really the history of the
Philippines. But the Philippines is one of the most pro-LGBT countries in Asia, probably right
there in the top. And is that like kind of your experience when you're actually talking with people?
That's kind of like, obviously, you know, you never always trust the media and statistics,
but I'm just kind of curious, like when you're talking to people out in the streets and stuff,
do they have a pretty neutral vibe or are they against it? I would say the older generation
would be more against it. But with the younger generation, you go to these parks, you talk to a
group of five people, there will often be a homo in the midst, which makes it a very awkward
conversation. And so that's something you just have to deal with because you're trying to preach
to those that are interested. And sometimes they destroy the conversation. Sometimes you can work
through it. But there's a guy here who's very popular on TV. His name is Vice Ganda. I call
him Vice Pongy because Ganda is for beautiful, Pongy is ugly, but it's this cross-dressing guy.
And he's always on the TV, the billboards, he's everywhere. And this younger generation,
cross-dressers are always popping up on billboards and on YouTube. So it's getting a lot
worse here. I think it's worse here than in the US, at least in terms of people openly like
cross-dressing. So something you got to deal with. Yeah. I mean, I think that definitely makes sense
just from my limited experience there, just that there's a ton of those people out and most people
are hanging out with them, friends or friendly or that it's definitely not necessarily that taboo.
It seems like, and again, maybe you could correct me if I'm wrong, but it almost seems like the
culture over there is a little bit immature, generally speaking, and maybe just a little bit
kind of effeminate, like maybe just a little bit weaker, like the men aren't necessarily
encouraged to exude a lot of manliness or masculinity, and so there's kind of a little
bit of androgyny when it comes to the clothing. Now again, obviously there's exceptions when we
talk about people at your church. Your church is definitely different. I'm just saying the
general populace, it seems like the culture a little bit is a little bit maybe emasculated,
maybe a little bit more feminine. Yeah, I'd say that's with Asian, I'd say that's with Asian
general. K-pop or Korean pop music is catching on and they have that in some of the other countries
as well. And so I'd say in Asia especially, obviously Asia's not that any continent is godly,
but when you look at the crazy religions that come out of Asia, it's in many ways the most
unique continent in the world. There's all these bizarre religions and I would say in a lot of
countries in Asia are becoming very effeminate. So that's where we need that good doctrine coming
in from Pastor Stuckey where he's helping people understand the importance of being manly,
of being masculine, exuding strength and being bold and having distinct gender roles.
Obviously America is leading the way and trying to confuse that, causing all kinds of situations
that are almost unthinkable, all kinds of headlines about just crazy things like "woman in prison gets
pregnant" and you're just like "what are you talking about?" or just I mean just the headlines
that are coming out from America today. I don't want to say some of them because they're just so
perverted and so disgusting. It's evil. But it's like incest and sodomy and just all kinds of gender
bending, weird stuff, people getting all kinds of surgeries and doing all kinds of mutilation to
their body. And obviously since you said the Philippines love America and a lot of people
love America, it's affecting these people. And without a real American over there preaching
what the Bible says, I could see a lot of people could fall for the propaganda and the information
that's going out there. And so it's important, I believe, for people like you and other Americans
and other evangelists to go out there and give a different representation of what America's like,
what biblical Christianity is supposed to be like. The apostle Paul is also invading the culture
of the Grecians and really putting their culture to the test, saying things that were very
countercultural. And that caused him a lot of problems. I mean, he really turned the world
upside down, is what the Bible says. He didn't go in there trying to make friends with the world,
but was going to preach whatever the Bible says, popular or unpopular. And I hope that that's the
testimony of our evangelists or anybody that's going out there, that they're turning the world
upside down, that they're not acquiescing to whatever is going on. One verse to think about,
Paul speaks about, "Thou has fully known my doctrine." And so the goal is not just to get
people saved, but spread the true doctrine. And one story that might help people understand this,
when I got saved in college, obviously I lived in college, people were dressed inappropriately.
I grew up very conservative, but I'm still brainwashed by the world. And I remember when
I realized I was an independent fundamental Baptist, I'm looking at these names of these
famous preachers and I was going online. And I remember the first sermon I listened to by
Jack Kiles. And I was going through this long list and I was like, what sermon title is the
most interesting to me? And the sermon I listened to was many skirts in light of the Bible. And I
remember I listened to that sermon and I thought it was out there when I heard the sermon because
of course my eyes every day are seeing women in many skirts. And I thought it was a little
bit over the top. But of course now I wouldn't think that. But what takes place is you need
to hear that preaching and you get unbrainwashed. And so if you don't have that preaching that goes
against what the world is teaching, people are just going to believe what is common and they're
going to think that that's normal because they get desensitized to what they're seeing.
Yeah. And I think that it's important for us to challenge people's worldview. You know,
that's part of it. Even why we have the show is to go out there and try to talk about
popular things, culture, you know, things that are happening, but bring our Baptist bias with
us. And of course, some of the things we say or do or the way we live our lives is going to seem
counter-cultural. It could even be offensive to some people. You know, we've made documentaries
that I'm sure the shock factor is pretty high when we talk about like things like the sodomite
deception or LGBT terrorists. But you know, a lot of people, their initial reaction sometimes isn't
right. But then over time, they kind of start like, oh, well, you know, that's actually what
the Bible says. I know for me personally, when I first heard the reprobate doctrine,
I didn't necessarily like, I definitely agreed with the doctrine, but I struggled to apply that
to all homosexuals. I kind of thought like, well, I don't know if that's really true.
And now of course, I don't have any doubt in that. But at the time, I definitely wasn't really
ready to just accept that or understand that fully from the Bible. It took me a little bit
of time to kind of grow and learn that. But I think it's important to expose people to things
that they may not like or get offended. I mean, was there a time, Ben, when you had a sermon
and you were kind of offended, but then later you kind of realized like, hey, that's actually right?
Yeah, for sure. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Is it about McDonald's?
Well, you step on my toes when you preach on McDonald's and Indian food and some of the
foods that I enjoy, but that's okay. You still haven't come to the knowledge of the truth on
that though, have you? Well, you'll have to keep working on me. Okay. But all kidding aside,
I feel like for a lot of Christians when they hear that first ever sermon, hard preaching style
against the faggots or against whatever group they might have some sympathetic feelings for,
yeah, the initial reaction might be negative at first, but I feel like as we get closer and
closer to the end times and as the society that we're all living in right now is getting more
and more wicked and degenerate and deviant, it's almost like our preaching just doesn't sound as
radical anymore. I mean, when you have these faggots defiling kids at public school libraries
across the country, it doesn't seem so radical to believe that they're all pedophiles and that they
should all be put to death according to Leviticus 20.13. So I just think it's amazing. How do you
feel about that? I just think it's amazing. Do you agree with that? No, I definitely agree with that,
and I just think it's amazing that we're being accused by some folks, including one in the chat
room of not having very much grace and not having very much love. Well, why don't you go tell that
to all the converts that are coming out of Pastor Stuckey's church who got saved and will be in
heaven for all of eternity because he took the time to go give that person the gospel. Why don't
you tell that to the people that got saved at the mission trip that Pastor Shelley put on?
I'll show you some grace. It's called soul winning. It's called giving people the gospel
of Jesus Christ while you virtue signal about how much you love homos. These pastors that
you think are hateful are getting people saved. Of course, some people don't understand that
even in soul winning scenarios, you have to explain the reprobate doctrine for them to get
saved. I've had people saying, "Well, I can't believe child molesters and these predators are
going to go to heaven." It's like, well, they're not. They hate God. They hate the Lord Jesus
Christ. They've been given over to a reprobate mind. Of course, we're all sinners. We all deserve
hell. Jesus truly paid for the sins of every person. There are some people that have been
given over and are a manifestation of God's wrath on this earth. The Bible says that you shouldn't
love literally every single person. God doesn't love literally every single person. Joe Biden,
Joe Biden is not a person that I'm praying for as good or wishing him well. He's a minister of the
devil who's promoting transgenderism, promoting abortion, promoting basically every satanic
doctrine you can imagine, and even trying to blaspheme Easter and the Lord Jesus Christ.
He's a reprobate and I have no problem calling him out or saying, praying in a
precatory prayer form or encouraging other people to do so. But it's funny to me, I'm
labeled a hate preacher because I hate 5% of the population, but it's like, I love 95%.
Why wouldn't I be called a love preacher if I love 95% of the population? And many of these
people, they act like they love everybody, but that's not true. Nobody loves everyone.
And I would argue that the leftists and the Democrats and a lot of these propagandists,
they literally love no one. They love less than 5% of the population. Have you experienced that,
Pastor Stuckey, where you have to give someone information about the rep debate doctrine or
talk about that topic when soul winning? Yeah. I do have a few stories about that.
Let me just quickly give you a verse that makes me think about this, where I preached some sermons
on it where "knoweth thou not yet that Egypt is destroyed," where people come to Pharaoh and
they're just like, "Have you not figured it out?" And one good thing about the world becoming so
crazy is there are definitely people that are crossing over, that thought we were extreme,
and now they're like, "Okay, I get it." You know, they're a little bit late to the party. It took
them to the third, fourth, fifth, sixth plague or whatever, but they're like, "Yeah, I see the world
is insane." They think that the preaching, you know, the preachers that were, you know, they
thought it too extreme, they're realizing that that's correct, but I have a close family member
that I remember I gave them the gospel right after I got saved, and of course I didn't know
much about the Bible. I didn't really grow up that much in church, and they were asking me questions
because they had seen a lot of evil people, you know, growing up in a big city, and they were
talking to me about, you know, "What about these evil people?" And I knew once you're saved, you're
always saved, and they brought up like Judas Iscariot and other people, and I was like,
"I don't know if Judas was saved or not, but if he was saved, then he was still saved afterwards
because he can't lose your salvation." Because I didn't know or understand the reprobate
doctrine and I was trying to defend the term security, but it gives a skewed perspective
where people are just like, "That doesn't make sense," because even people realize on the inside,
"No, a pedophile is not normal. I mean, Jeffrey Dahmer is not normal. Ted Bundy is not normal."
And so, you know, it can help people get saved. I mean, obviously, we don't bring that up unless
it's necessary because you can't just throw the whole kitchen sink at people where you're
going to have a very long gospel presentation. But yeah, there are times when, you know,
it's necessary to kind of talk about it a little bit. And somebody might even bring it up that is,
you know, a normal person wondering about it because maybe they realize there's something
wrong with those people. So there are times that, yeah, I've experienced where you have to explain
it to them and it makes it make sense. I mean, at least in America, I feel like often people
are bringing it up. I'm not trying to at all. I'm trying to explain how Jesus died on the cross
of our sins and they're bringing up these issues and you have to talk about it. And we had a guest
recently, Alex Rosen, was on the show not that long ago. And he was kind of saying like it's sad
that Islam seems to be more right on some of these issues because he goes out there and catches child
predators all the time. And he's kind of sickened by how much Christians just pretend like it's not
a big deal or extending these people grace or just like loving the pedophile who's just hurting and
molesting children doing the worst things imaginable and to him he's just thinking like
what's wrong with this religion that's just like loving the most satanic evil freaks imaginable
like you know and they have just a perverted view of who Jesus is. They think that Jesus would just
love and tolerate everything. They forget the fact that Jesus literally made a scourge of a cord of
whips or a whip of cords and he walked into the temple and was literally beating people out of
the temple for buying and selling in the house of God. So I'm supposed to believe that Jesus Christ
who was whipping and beating people out of the house of God for buying and selling in the house
of God would go and hang out with child molesters? That's like insane. He literally said that it would
be better for child offenders to put a millstone about their neck or for there to be a millstone
about their neck or for them to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Yeah, he said if a man curses
father mother, let him die the death. You know, and sometimes people twist the passage about the
woman caught in adultery. But if we take him out his word, what did Jesus say? He that is without
sin, pass the first stone. Like he didn't say like, let's all give her a hug and tell her how sweet
she is. He literally said to stone her to death. He just put a caveat on it that saying like, hey,
he that is he that is among you that is without sin. It's like, okay, sure. Obviously we realize
that no one was sinless. And so he's the only one that could rightfully judge in that particular
situation when it comes to going outside of human authority. But in that context, since the Jews are
under Roman rule, they're not allowed to put anybody to death. And Jesus is in kind of a tough
situation because he needs to uphold the law of Moses. But at the same time, he can't really
violate Roman law right there because it might cause a premature death for him. And he has a
clever way of confounding the Jews and still preaching the law of Moses. I mean, Jesus didn't
contradict the law of Moses, did he? No, never. He still said to stoner. He didn't say like,
"Hey, I know in the old times you stoned adulterers and adulteresses, but now I say,
give them a cookie and give them a high five and say, let's go have fun at the bar."
Like he didn't say anything like that. He was just basically saying that he's not going to
condemn her. That wasn't not his mission when he came to this earth to condemn people. And he did
tell her to go and send no more. It's just kind of crazy how people today just, they don't really
know anything in the Bible. That's why we need more missionaries. We need more people like Pastor
Stuckey. I mean, you know who needs Pastor Stuckey? America, apparently. But we're so glad that the
Philippines has him over there. And he's tearing it up, folks. I'm just going to say it. I love
Pastor Stuckey's zeal. He's very selfless. I would miss American food. It would be severe persecution
for me to have to be over there and be missing, you know, in a sacrifice. And again, I'm sure that
there are some sacrifices. You're probably being modest about it. But, you know, I'll be honest,
if you go to the Philippines, you realize why America is the greatest nation on earth. You
realize the prosperity and the freedom and the fun that you have over here. And that's probably
why a lot of people in America are so lazy. They're not very spiritual. They're very carnal and
worldly. And, you know, it's unique going to these different areas. One thing I'd like to say
in regards to missions, because a lot of times people ask me about, you know, what do I need to
do to prepare for the mission field? I just want to give like a little bit of advice to people.
Some things you need to consider, because when I visited the Philippines in 2014,
visiting somewhere on vacation or for a short time is not the same as actually living somewhere.
You have to be realistic with yourself and ask yourself, like I can say this, that I'm a pretty
simple person, but there are a lot of countries that I would not be willing to make that adjustment
in my lifestyle. You know, I just, it would be too much for me. Like I couldn't see myself
being happy being a missionary in some really rundown countries. So I think you have to be
honest with yourself whether or not you'd be able to adjust to the culture. The hardest
thing for me is definitely being away from my family and my parents. Of course, when I moved
to Sacramento as the other side of the country, so I kind of was already distant from them.
That's a very tough thing of being a missionary. When I do get to visit the U.S., you know,
there's a lot of churches that I would love to preach at and a lot of great people I'd love to
meet. But truthfully, I spend most of my time with my family just because I had great parents
growing up. My mom homeschooled me starting in middle school. Parents are very conservative.
Even though we were raised United Methodists, there's no way I would be here if it weren't for
how they raised me. And so it's very difficult being away from family. So that's something I
think you have to consider if you're going to be a missionary. And so what I would also say though,
if you're, if you have a desire or you have an interest, what I did is I visited Verity Baptist
with my wife and I just told Pastor Menes, you know, what my plans were, what I was interested in.
And, you know, some churches might not be in a situation where they could send somebody out as
a missionary. You know, we don't believe in the deputation system where churches are going to be
supporting like 50 different missionaries for $50 a month. But, you know, for example,
my primary support is from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento. And so you have to realize not
every church is necessarily going to be able to send you out or financially support you.
When people go to Bible college, they pack up their bags and go to whatever Bible college to
get trained for the ministry. I mean, we don't agree with that approach. But I think that if
you want to be a pastor or be full time in ministry or be an evangelist or missionary or
something like that, I do believe you should be willing to pack up your bags and go somewhere
to get trained. I don't think everybody has to move to a new IFB church. But I do think that
if you want to start a church that is similar to Steadfast Baptist or Verity Baptist, the best way
to do that is to come out of a church like that. So those are some of the things. I think that
that's great. And you know, I can't imagine leaving family and friends and that sacrifice.
And I totally get it because selfishly, I would love for you to come preach for us someday.
You know, and I know you've made it back a few different times. And if you ever want to,
we'll feed you Texas Bricks skit and house you and you can come preach for us.
But if you never do, I don't blame you at all because I totally understand the desire to see
your family and hang out with them. But you have an open invitation to come and preach for us.
You kind of stole the question I was going to ask you. Do you have any other tips or suggestions
if someone wants to be a missionary, wants to follow in your footsteps? Is there something
else they could do to prepare for that? Yeah, I would say other than the things
that I mentioned, as I mentioned earlier, like people don't like talking about this,
but financial stability is very important. When we moved to Sacramento, you know, we were in a
financial position of being able to move, you know, and people need to be smart with their finances
and be prepared. And I would just say people, if they're preparing for the mission field,
they should really think about how are they going to financially support themselves,
because there's no guarantee that you're going to be able to have a church that's going to support
you. And I was, you know, blessed to be able to work for Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento.
And of course, they were perfectly willing to support me full time, but I was also able to do
some of the work remotely to also help them out. And, you know, I would just say if someone's going
to be a missionary, then you know what, find a church that is like minded and a church that
could be in a position to possibly help you with that work. Some churches just might not want to
have a missionary. Obviously churches might just have a desire to start churches in their area or
whatever. Churches can be different. They're in different situations. So outside of, you know,
living godly and reading the Bible and all those things and learning the language if necessary
for the place you want to live, I would just say make sure that you go to a church that would be
able to support you and help you because the deputation system is just you're not going to
be supported if you have our kinds of beliefs. You're not going to be able to get financial
support to go to the mission field if you believe the reprobate doctrine. If you believe post-tribe
and things such as that, it's going to cause you not to be able to get the support. So I would say
be willing to move to a great church and obviously there's a lot of churches. We would say we're a
new IFB church and I would say go to a new IFB church in the U.S. and talk to the pastor and ask
him what he thinks and some of the churches might not be in a position where they could really
send out a missionary. So that's kind of the advice I would give. Yeah, I think that's great
and I would echo that. I think move to a church that is going to train you and just be a blessing.
Be a soul winner there. Get a lot of people saved there. Start bringing people to the church that
you're at and prove to the pastor that you're serious, that you're willing to put in the hard
work. It's hard to get people saved. It's hard to get people to drag people to church and if you
can't do it at a successful already thriving church now when you're in America, it's going
to be even that much harder when you're abroad to the temptation. Maybe be lazy, take it easy,
be discouraged and so I think that you need to really test yourself and prove yourself here
and put in a lot of effort and energy. That's what we really like about Evangelist Urbanic is
that he put in a lot of the hard work here being a soul owner, being faithful. Every time I'm asking
him to do something, he's ready and willing. He made a lot of sacrifices while he was here
and so I think it really showed that he has a lot of character and a lot of gumption and so we're
excited about the investment we made. I know Ben's over here been just crushing the chat and pretty
sure of himself but do you have any last thoughts for us before we tune off? I don't know what that's
supposed to mean. I just want to thank Pastor Stuckey for coming on and I want to say also I
really appreciated your sermon on the cedar tree. I thought that was really awesome and I sent it to
my dad who enjoyed it as well and so just thank you for that and thank you for all the work you're
doing out there. The souls getting saved, lives that are being changed, and your uncompromising
stance on the Word of God. Amen. Yeah, do you have any last thoughts or plugs that you want to make
here Pastor Stuckey? Well before I forget I just want to thank you for inviting me on and just
the friendship and in case somebody didn't see earlier as I mentioned you know your church has
been very generous supporting our church before and that money definitely went a long way to help
us with a lot of things. You know I would just say the things coming up we got our missions
trip to Cebu coming up in less than three months. June 30th is a Sunday I'll be preaching for Pastor
Mancilla that day and the missions trip will be basically Monday through Saturday. Cebu is the
second most prominent area in the Philippines behind Metro Manila so that you could probably
find flights from the U.S. that would go directly to there depending or just one stop along the way
depending on where you are living in the U.S. or whatever or in another country. I've never been
to Cebu but I'm sure it's going to be very receptive it's a great church there Pastor Mancilla and the
work that they're doing there so that's coming up on June 30th if anyone is interested so. Well
that's great and of course support Pastor Stuckey Verity Baptist Manila they have a website they have
ways you can donate you can always contact Verity Baptist Church with Pastor Jimenez if you ever
were unable or unsuccessful he could usually guide you to ways to support that church as well
they are completely independent but at the same time you know they still have friends they still
have people that are caring for them we still definitely support you guys and are praying for
you and are definitely motivated to serve the Lord better I know a lot of my church members have
visited out there they've gone soul hunting with you guys many of my church members really
like your preaching they really like your church they really like the zeal over there they love
your church members you guys are close and near and dear to our hearts we're excited that we have
an evangelist over there Vangelis Urbanic who may be you know God willing bringing him on a show at
some point but he's you know going to be doing a lot of work over there hopefully helping you guys
as well and coming alongside and just encouraging the brethren and helping other churches and other
soul winning efforts get started in that part of the world and we don't want to just be selfish
about our part of the world we want to think about other people you know there's nothing wrong with
doing good and i hope that you know if you were paying attention to the show this evening
you don't get the wrong impression i'm not against people doing good and helping people but
when you talk about missions work we want to focus on the spiritual you know there's always that
phrase you know feed a man a fish or give a man a fish you feed him for a day teach him how to fish
and you feed him for a lifetime and to me you need to add on top of that you know give the man the
gospel and he has eternal life you know you could feed a man the rest of his life and he still ends
up in hell and you know he could gain the whole world hey you could give a man the ability to have
a career and be educated and be successful and make lots of money and become the next elon musk
but if he dies and goes to hell you know if a man gains the whole world yet loses his own soul what
shall profit him and you know i i hope that people realize that with the baptist bias we're not here
trying to make friends you know i'm not pro mission strips being focused on the carnal they
need to get spiritual and if you're giving money to these programs you know consider taking your
money and investing them into a spiritual vision verity baptist manila is a great opportunity we're
not just sit here just trying to dog on everybody we're giving you a better alternative we're giving
you a real man of god we're giving you an option to support uh someone that's leading the way leading
the charge honestly i don't know of a better missionary i don't know of a better church
planner in the world right now than pastor matthew stuckey of verity baptist church definitely
consider supporting this guy encouraging this guy and even if you don't give him any money
just pray for him just pray for him go out there and visit him spend spend the money on yourself
going out there and learning how to do soul winning uh see the people that are over there
get the experience of being in the philippines apparently they got the best beaches i don't know
if that was propaganda but at the same time even if even if you don't go to the beach i never went
to the beach soul winning is amazing it's a great uh opportunity for a lot of people to get saved
it's very receptive um i can't encourage people enough to consider doing any mission strip there's
going to be other mission strips hopefully we'll have some other mission strips in the future as
well um also tune in to the baptist bias 8 p.m we're going to be having a repeat guest on next
week's show brian wilson from info wars is going to be joining us again next week 8 p.m you want
to call in and put your uh chats into the live stream so we can read your questions i'm really
excited about our discussion ben you know i love this stream it makes me want to do more missions
trips and go around the world how are you feeling about this right now well obviously i share your
zeal in wanting to go on another one of these kind of trips the bahamas trip we referenced earlier
was so much fun so many great memories and i think a massive impact made on those we were able to
reach with the gospel and a shout out to brother kenton knolls who's out there and putting in the
work getting people baptized etc so yes i i think when it comes to this issue we made a distinction
between that which is fraudulent a fraudulent mission trip and what we would say is a mission
trip done through the lenses of scripture with the baptist bias and that's what you're going to get
on this show you may go into it not necessarily agreeing but at the very least you'll understand
where we are coming from and i would say you summed it up nicely there pastor shelly well thanks
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