The solar eclipse happened and we're still here. Maybe because, as it turns out, it was
just an eclipse, folks, okay? But that won't stop YouTube prophets from grasping at straws
for anything to get views and go viral. Perhaps next time they can count the number of cities
that fall in the eclipse path and that'll give us the final countdown to the rapture.
These guys are obviously smarter than Jesus Christ himself, who said, "But of that day
an hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only." Yet Prophecy
Guy 745, who recorded a TikTok in his mother's kitchen, apparently has it figured out.
Grifters may never run out of dates for the impending rapture, and a couple of examples
include these guys right here. Ronald Wineland, he predicted that Jesus would return on the
29th of September, 2011, and when that didn't happen, he moved the date to the 27th of May
2012, then he went to prison for tax evasion. Mark Blitz, going all the way back to 2008,
predicted Jesus would return on the September 28th, 2015 lunar eclipse to fulfill his blood
moon prophecy, or perhaps it was 2025. Look, at the end of the day, instead of relying
on social media sorcerers to tell us when we're finally in the end times, it would
be more prudent to read your Bible. That way you aren't suckered into the latest failed
rapture prediction. If there's another eclipse, don't cover your windows with tin foil or
hide in a closet and certainly avoid any free Kool-Aid. And if they ask you why you don't
want to go with them to the dark side of the moon, just let them know I have the Baptist
bias.
Thanks for joining us on the Baptist bias. We've got a great show for you tonight, and
it may even be the rapture, Ben. What do you think?
Could happen by the end of this broadcast, according to many preachers out there, and
the prevailing view amongst Baptists.
You know, obviously there's a lot of crazy things going on today, but at the same time,
we don't want to necessarily get all of our opinions from TikTok, do we?
No, definitely not. And the reality is, like you said, there's a plethora of opinion and
conjecture when it comes to this topic, and I think we might need to be extra careful,
Pastor Shelley, where we are getting our information from when it comes to Bible prophecy, because
everyone has an opinion on it.
Yeah, obviously there's a lot of views out there on "In Times," and they all seem to
be wrong. How can we have a good opinion on "In Times"?
I think we have to look at it through the lenses of Scripture, maybe with a Baptist
bias. What do you think about that?
You sound biased about that.
I do. I am. I have a King James bias, alright? I'm open about it. That's what you get on
this podcast, honesty about our bias.
Well, we have a great guest coming on the show, a repeat guest that we've had from a
previous season, Brian Wilson from Red Pill TV. He has a channel on band.video and he's
joining us today for an episode about the "In Times". Hey Brian, how's it going?
Good. How are you guys doing?
Great. Thanks for coming on again. We appreciate your time for what I think is going to be
a lively discussion.
Yeah, I'm glad to be back. I've been tuned in to the Baptist Bias. You all have had great
guests, Eliza Schaefer, Ken Hoeven, Pastor Anderson, and I'm looking forward to the Red
Heifer debate with Adam King. It should be very interesting. And I really like that Benolog
too. The most important thing is to read your Bible. And I don't remember any part of "In
Adam's Prophecy" talking about cities named after Nineveh being in the path of an eclipse.
But lots of people sent me that very same piece of information, like it would be the
missing puzzle piece or something. We have that clip. We have that clip. Maybe we'll
play it later on, but there's definitely some rumors going around YouTube and the internet
concerning the solar eclipse and the idea that, well, the path of totality is going
through Nineveh and maybe there's a special message there. We can talk about it later.
Well, I've read Revelation. When does Nineveh mention the book of Revelation?
Never. You have Sodom and Egypt. You have Babylon. You have these different areas mentioned
for sure, the holy city.
Well, it's just so funny to me that people get all excited just because it has a Bible
name or something. But it's kind of funny to me, like, who would want to name their
city Nineveh after reading the Bible? Like, who was like, you know what, we need a name
for a city. Nineveh sounds like a pretty good idea.
Yeah.
That's pretty funny. Nineveh does give me hope a little bit that there's chance for
a reprove or a reprive of our country because of their first repenting. You don't want
to be Nineveh the second time, but you might, you know, it wouldn't be so bad to be Nineveh
the first time.
Yeah, the Bible says, "And God saw their works that they turned from their evil way,
and God repented of the evil that he thought he would do unto them, and he did it not."
So, yeah, you're right about that.
Yeah, the king put sackcloth on his beast, so, you know.
That is funny.
Maybe we just put some sackcloth on Michelle Obama and we'll be good, you know?
Or Joe Biden will put sackcloth on his dogs that keep biting everybody.
That'll finally fix everything we have going on in our country.
Well, I do want to play some clips, and to get started, I want to play a clip of yours
from one of your more recent episodes, one of your shows kind of on this subject matter.
I want to see if we can play clip one.
Let's go ahead and play it.
Allow America to be destroyed as a divine judgment?
In the eighth century BC, the prophet Jonah was instructed by God to go preach a message
of rebuke and repentance to the people of the city of Nineveh.
They were said to be wicked, idolatrous, and violent, often skinning alive their prisoners
of war.
Through Jonah, God prophesied that the city would be overthrown in forty days if they
didn't repent of their wicked ways.
This was a conditional prophecy, and it did not come into fruition because the people
of Nineveh truly did repent and saved their land from God's divine judgment.
Even the king repented, and by faith believed God and his prophet Jonah.
More than 120,000 people in his kingdom were saved by grace.
So the question for us today is, can we save America from our own divine judgment?
This country is a gift from God, and He can choose to allow it to be taken away if we
don't obey His laws and neglect the righteous path.
About two centuries later, Nineveh returned to its old, evil ways, and the city was finally
destroyed, sacked and burned by the allied forces of the Persians, Medes, and Babylonians,
its people taken captive in a strange land.
The area was sparsely populated thereafter, and slowly the ancient ruins became buried
in the earth.
How much time can we buy for these United States through repentance, before we are judged,
trampled under the feet of our enemies, and buried beneath the earth that we have allowed
to become so cursed?
How many more generations can we secure through genuine repentance, preaching to our fellow
countrymen the need to change our evil ways and seek forgiveness from our Creator, pray
for America, and be like Jonah, a prophet of repentance to those outside the Church?
This is Brian Wilson with Infowars.com.
Well, talk about hitting the nail on the head, and he's bringing up Nineveh, and then, bam,
right there in your clip.
That's pretty funny.
You're just a prophet.
You were talking about Nineveh, and then now, all of a sudden, you know, the eclipse is
going through Nineveh.
I mean, what do you think about that?
Sometimes I do feel like Jonah.
I feel like I'm going to want to run away from going to preach.
I think that that's a common feeling among Christians, is feeling a little hesitant.
Like there was a pastor I was listening to talking about how he was asking for God, please
put someone in my path for me to witness to.
And then up the road on his walk, he saw someone, he goes, "Oh, not yet, not so soon."
And he tried to build up the courage to talk to this person as he got there, but he said
they looked like an angry grumpy person.
And so he said, "On the next lap around, I'll talk to them."
He went past them and on the next lap around, they weren't there anymore.
So sometimes I can relate to Jonah and I hope I can have the courage and faith that he had
when he finally went in Nineveh.
Yeah, I just hope I don't have to get swallowed by a whale before I decide to open up my mouth
and make known the mystery of the gospel.
Right.
Hopefully it doesn't go that far, that God doesn't have to put you through something
like that before you act, right?
It's kind of interesting how Nineveh seems to be, it kind of plays both sides of the
angle here.
You have the one version of the story where they get right with God and they're spared
and then the latter end where they're destroyed.
In the Book of Nahum, is what you're referring to there?
Yeah.
I think that's just reminiscent of every nation in every country that God is kind of long
suffering and constantly gives them opportunities to perpetuate their existence, but it can
eventually, time can run out and if the wrong generation comes to power and doesn't change
their ways, then it could just spell destruction and doom for a nation, a group of people or
a particular area.
Obviously, we see that with the Babylonians.
We see that with the Medo-Persian Empire, we see that with the Grecian Empire, we see
the Roman Empire, and arguably, we're going to see that again with the Babylonian, the
Mystery Babylon Empire, the final one, which I think is probably America.
What do you think, Ben?
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
I mean, for a little while I thought that it might be Jerusalem, but I found that position
to be inconsistent with several different scriptures.
I won't get into it now, but there were some things that I felt like just did not fit
that picture.
I think when it comes to Mystery Babylon, you are 100% correct.
I would say that the United States seems to fit.
And Pastor Shelley, what do you think about this?
Of course, we would all agree that Rome at one point was the seat of Mystery Babylon
or was considered Mystery Babylon.
How about the United States as sort of a revived Roman Empire?
So there's that connection too, right?
Well, there's definitely Roman influence.
I mean, I kind of brought this up about how our money, it's interesting, it has Latin
characters on the dollar bill.
And it's interesting why would they pick Latin, because it's not like in the founding of America,
people walking around speaking Latin, they were of course speaking English.
And so it's kind of eerie that they would pick such a language and such artistry and
everything else that kind of has symbolism tied to the Roman Empire.
I'm kind of curious where you're at here, Brian, what do you think about the idea of
America being the end times Babylon?
Is that something you've thought about before?
Oh, yes, definitely. And adding on to your comparison, I think the U.S. and Rome, even
the papacy have a lot of similarities. You're describing the use of Roman numerals. There's
also the Capitol building being a dome similar to over in Rome. And even in London, there's
a church there that has a dome with a needle or an obelisk nearby, just like in St. Peter's
and at the US Capitol. So I agree that there are Babylonian influences or images that the
US has of ancient Rome or even Holy Roman Empire. But sometimes I feel like the US is
more like an Egypt type, where, I mean, don't get me wrong, there's tons of comparisons
between the US and Rome. I mean, they're innumerable. But there's also those Egyptian influences
on architecture and things and on symbolism, like on the dollar bill having the pyramid.
But there was an interesting study I was reading about ancient Egypt having a culture of eating
all these different kinds of meat, high sugar diets, they had obesity problems. And I was
starting to think, this is very interesting. These are very US type problems that they have.
And in End Times Prophecy, there's also described a king of the south and a king of the north.
The king of the north being the Babylonian king and the king of the south being a pharaoh
Egyptian king. So I feel like this question ties directly into the beasts of Revelation.
First beast and then a second beast and I mean it depends like how far you want to go
down this rabbit trail right now or do you want to talk about some other things?
Well yeah, I don't mind where the conversation goes. I think the Egypt connections obviously
true too. I think what's kind of interesting is how the mystery Babylon is referenced as
being kind of the seventh of a particular system. And I believe those seven would be
number one, starting with Egypt, then the Assyrian kingdom, then the Babylonian, then
the Medo-Persian, then the Grecian, and then the Roman as the sixth. And then the seventh
would most likely be America. Again, that could be wrong. Obviously if times escapes
us and the Lord tarries for a long period of time, America could be destroyed, new nations,
the geography of the world could be completely different. But it seems like we're trying
to be the end times Babylon in my opinion. And I would assume that whatever was Babylon
would probably have a mixture of all of these particular influences, wouldn't even just
be limited to the Roman culture. But I think it would be realistic to also see the Egyptian
influence because it's that same spirits, that same Babylonian spirit that has migrated
its way throughout history as a one world government, one world leader. And I'm sure
since the Bible says there's no new thing under the sun, that their particular cultural
influences and lifestyle is very similar to what we see and experience today in a culture
that's very morally declining. We have so much wealth and prosperity. And really we
see this as a common thread throughout the Bible that when a nation has a lot of wealth,
then there's an increase in adultery, there's an increase in pagan worship, there's an increase
in just child sacrifice, there's an increase in sodomy. And really we kind of see that
with the land of Canaan as well, which isn't necessarily in this lineage, but just it's
kind of reminiscent of a lot of civilizations. I mean, what do you think about the Egyptian
influence in America? Do you think that that parlays with being Mystery Babylon? Do you
think that that's, what's your opinion, Ben?
Yeah, I would definitely agree that it is reminiscent of that Babylonian spirit. Egypt
always is symbolized in Scripture as something negative as well, and even worldliness. The
children of Israel, when they're in the wilderness, wanting to go back into Egypt is kind of a
picture of Christians wanting to go back into the world that they've been delivered from.
And so I think that the United States, obviously, this is a Captain Obvious moment right here,
definitely promotes that worldliness that I'm describing and sort of the vain materialism.
You look at Black Friday and you have people trampling over each other to get a half-price
toaster and things like that.
That sort of mentality exists in our country, unfortunately.
And one other point that I wanted to bring up in the discussion here, you had brought
up Revelation 17, you referenced them, verses 9 and 10, but in Revelation chapter 18, the
Bible says about Babylon, "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her
fornication and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her and the merchants
of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."
And guys, I think that when it comes to the United States, it fits this bill perfectly
because what we're seeing described here is a nation that has global influence.
And here's what I think of.
First of all, we have military bases all over the world, but beyond that, it doesn't matter
where you go on this planet, you'll see a McDonald's, you'll see a KFC, you'll see
an American brand.
What are you guys' thoughts on that?
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I totally agree.
And kind of zooming out before we get into exactly who could be the beast of the first
beast, who could be the second beast, who could be Babylon.
This is all Satan's design.
So he's going to be using all the governments, all the powers that can be one of the one
power throughout history I often add into listing off powers throughout time is the
English Anglo Empire.
The sun never set on the British Empire.
They were all over the world.
Similar to how there's McDonald's all over the world, there was English colonies.
And similar to that, there was cathedrals built all over wherever Rome went through
the Spanish or whoever it was.
So I feel like between Babylon and Egypt, Satan is going to set up a dialectic between
these two.
Babylon was a political power, but it was also a religious power.
Like in Daniel's time, you had to bow down and worship the Nebuchadnezzar statue, whereas
Egypt is similar in having a worshipful pharaoh.
But in Egypt, you could worship whatever you wanted.
You could worship a frog, you could worship the sun, you could have all these many gods.
The only time that it became contentious, there was pharaohs that worshiped the one
true God after the Hebrews left.
So you can argue that there was influence from the Hebrews there in Goshen that maybe
they influenced culture there to bring people to worship the one true God.
We know that Egyptians left with Moses, the mixed multitudes, and so they were definitely
basically evangelizing in a funny way back then and bringing people into Christ's fold,
into God's fold.
But as far as your question to U.S.'s role in all of this, it's similar to Mark of the
Beast questions, like without a doubt Satan is going to use the power of the U.S. to torture,
to bring about destruction, kill, destroy.
It's just that when we get into the details, we can argue all day and all night about it.
And I've come a long way with my understanding of looking at prophecy.
I used to think that the dragon, oh, the red dragon, that must be China.
Well, that's Satan, okay.
Red dragon is not going to be China.
But still, there are some things that we surely can hang our hat on, like the Daniel prophecy
going through the vision of the dream, where it goes through Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece,
Rome.
And then I would argue that the ending feat of that statue of Daniel, the clay mixed with
iron, would be the Holy Roman Empire.
And a lot of the performers...
What do you think about a modern-day application of that, because it talks about how the clay
mixed with iron is being mingled with the seed of men?
The first thing I think of is...
That's why I was going to bring up the reformers, is when they were studying this and what they
were coming up with.
You had all these...
The kingdoms of Rome, Western Rome, broken up into ten, and you had these families constantly
trying to intermarry with the other families to try and cleave together, to try and create
a unity in all these separate kingdoms, but it never really quite worked out that way.
And so I think of that, but when I think about the iron and clay of the feet of that statue
in Daniel.
And this is all, like everyone watching, you need to go read your Bible and see what you
think about these things.
That's the only way you're really going to get a grasp on it.
Are these things salvation issues?
Is understanding what every symbol in Revelation and how it ties into Daniel, are these going
to ensure your salvation?
Of course not.
God is way more loving than that to judge you based on how you interpreted Revelation.
But I think God is going to use people like us who have an interest in this to try and
shed light, to try and get people interested in reading the Bible, get people interested
in God and how these prophecies came to be.
Like Daniel's vision was fulfilled and we look back at that now and are just kind of
like, oh, you know, it's obviously this, this, that and that, but it wasn't always so simple
to see.
And even the, I feel like I talked about this with you last time, but the, I won't, I won't
go into that if we mentioned it last time, but the reformers, a lot of them definitely
felt like the papacy because imagine in their time, like what you were saying, all the nations
of the world drinking of the wine, I mean, from their view, that would have been the
Holy Roman Empire. That was this America-like power that we see today, but back then. This
super powerful group all over Africa, Asia, Philippines, setting up colonies, essentially,
but setting up churches there. And it's not all, so that becomes a very contentious issue
in itself. Was every cathedral that colonial Spain set up an evil world empire? No, some
cases, they're bringing the gospel to the world. So, God has a way of using even bad
things happening to push forward the gospel going to the world. And we know that before
the end times, that the gospel will have gone to the world. But before I don't want to dive
right into these, I have some quotes from some of the reformers about their thoughts
on the anti-Christ power. But I don't want to jump into that yet. Yeah, here's the thing.
Obviously, I think everyone kind of tries to superimpose their circumstances on scripture.
Like there's a tendency. So obviously, if I go back in time to, let's say World War
II, and we have Hitler, a lot of people are kind of thinking Hitler's the anti-Christ
or a lot of people are thinking that the end times is going to be shaping around World
War II specifically. And I could see how, you know, if we, if we go back to, I don't
know, the 15th, 16th, 17th century, somewhere in that timeline, and someone's talking about
the wine, they could think of that as maybe in the communion of the Catholic church. Now
they're all drinking that specific Eucharist. And there's a lot of ways you could try to
interpret these things. But at the same time, I think that in hindsight, we can have sometimes
a better perspective. I don't know that I always agree with end times from people of
the past. I think that because it was a lot harder for them to recognize, you know, things
that are going to change in the future, everybody kind of seems to think that the end times
is in their generation. And I get that we do the same thing. But I think that, you know,
as time goes on, it's more likely that we'll have a better prediction or a better idea
or understanding of the end times. I think, as we draw closer, it's just going to become
that much more apparent what these scriptures really mean. You know, I've kind of wondered
myself about the iron mixing of miry clay. And I've wondered, does this have something
to do with that many European countries and even America are being really kind of quote
invaded by a multitude of immigrants. And these immigrants, when they come into these
countries, whether it be France, Germany, UK, even America, they typically do not actually
mix with the culture or the people there. They're staying in their own separate camps,
separate parts of the city, taking them over. And it's really weakened that particular nation.
That nation's partly strong and partly weak. That could just be a coincidence or just maybe
a secondary idea that's coming from the text. But I almost wonder if that's partly what's being
fulfilled potentially in that description. What do you think about this migration issue, Ben?
Do you think that's a possible interpretation of the mingling there? Yeah, I think that there are
obviously several different possible interpretations of that passage there in Daniel chapter 2,
specifically dealing with the ten toes of the statue mixed with miry clay etc. And that's
definitely one of them. You look at what's going on with, especially in Europe, some of these
migrants that are coming in that are not assimilating the Islamic refugees. You'll
get what's going on here domestically in the United States with our open border policies
leading to all kinds of all kinds of drugs and crime and criminals who are coming into this
country and not assimilating as well. So I would not be surprised if that's what it's pointing to.
I think that Brian had an interesting theory as well. A lot of this is up to conjecture because
it's not a clear verse, right? It's left up to interpretation and I think done so on purpose so
that, you know, we could speculate. But I do think it's important to note this because you had brought
up that different people in different time periods had their own views and their own applications
of eschatology and that's 100% accurate. But I think specifically when we're talking about
Mystery Babylon, I would say that if you were alive during the time of the Roman Empire,
it would be 100% accurate to claim Rome is Babylon. And when people draw those connections
between Revelation 17 and some of the verbiage there and the Catholic Church, that's great.
I agree with that. I would just say that in 2024, it's not Rome that is now the global
superpower over this planet. It's the United States of America. Yeah, I think the landscape,
least from a political perspective, it's undisputedly America. You could even argue
that America is a major influence even from a religious perspective because we've sent out
more missionaries from our country than virtually any other country and we've influenced them. Now,
it may not be from a specific denomination, but you can see from non-denominational churches,
Catholic churches, from Presbyterian, you could see from even Pentecostal, all kinds of people
being spread out and kind of a lot of people looking to America for spiritual guidance and
spiritual leadership. The problem is they're looking at a lot of false prophets when they do
so and I don't know that the false prophet is necessarily going to come from America.
I know I talked to a Catholic recently and he told me that the Pope is going to be the false
prophet and a Catholic said that yeah yeah he did and I was thinking well you know I can't say that
I disagree with that opinion like it's definitely plausible. What is your kind of idea on the false
prophet specifically Brian? Do you have any idea on what you think there? Well there was something
I wanted to address before but remind me about that so I'll probably forget. Yeah go for it. I
see the U.S. as historically becoming merged with the British Empire around World War I and II with
the League of Nations and then the UN. So I automatically now from learning this hidden history
of new world order, UN censored new world order because there was a competing world government
system coming out of Germany, but they lost. So now we have an Anglo-American establishment. So
when I dabble with putting the U.S. into prophecy fulfillment, I automatically merge them
with the British Empire, Anglo-American establishment. That ties into Israel and
the Five Eyes, Australia, Canada. I guess New Zealand is one of the Five Eyes. It seems like
they should just be lumped in with Australia. But I know people from Australia and New Zealand
wouldn't appreciate that. But anyway, one thing for sure is that no matter who is the Babylon,
who is the new Babylon, it's a mystery Babylon because it's a mystery. Because Satan is behind
the scenes pulling the strings, making all these things happen. And he's the one
with principalities and powers in high places, bringing all of them together around that table
that we see in the prophetic future where they're all going to be sitting around this
one table and then eventually they're going to turn on that first beast, on that antichrist power.
And another thing we can rest our hat on, no matter who the miry, clay, and iron is,
a rock is going to come and destroy all of these things. So Satan can have his way with all these
powers and principalities, but it's going to be all for naught. Just like Christ dying on the cross
and rising again, he's going to come as a rock and destroy all these things by crushing the
toes of the giant statue. And your question was about the false prophets. Yes, there's so
many false prophets. I think you have the Matthew text about when they say he's out in the desert
or he's up in the mountain. Don't go to him. Christ already came. When he comes again,
he's going to be in the sky where everyone can see him all at the same time. He's not going to be
hidden in a cave or in some desert somewhere. So, I mean, this is something I run into a lot of.
If I don't agree with someone's take on something, I'm not going to automatically call them
a false prophet. But there's the potential there. I, in some ways, feel like this Pope Francis is a
false prophet. I personally just don't feel like he represents the vigor of Christ when he becomes
a political pope more than a Christ pope. Even calling yourself the vigor of Christ, I feel like,
is problematic. But then if you don't even try and act like Christ, that's pretty bad.
Now other things that I would label as troublesome without having to just call them straight up false
prophets, speaking in tongues. And as if this is a gift from the Holy Spirit to babble nonsense.
Speaking in tongues is a real thing. I've heard accounts of people miraculously being able to
speak to someone in another language that they did not know when it was pertaining to them
evangelizing. So that's what I would see speaking as tongues as and babbling nonsense
in a fit of joy or rage, I would label as a false prophecy.
I don't even know if it would classify as false prophecy. It's just toddler talk. It's just,
it's kind of gargly goop. But obviously, I agree with you. And you know, when we talk about false
prophets, there's false prophets, and then there's the false prophet. Just like the Bible says,
there's devils, and then there's the devil, or how we're the sons of God, like how there's
the sun. Yeah, yeah. So I think that when it comes to the false prophets, specifically,
the Pope is a great guess as to who could potentially be someone like that. Obviously,
the Jesus said to call no man father upon the earth and hope is kind of like saying Papa.
And really, it's just a blasphemous term to use spiritual father in any sense. Obviously,
we have carnal fathers, but to say someone's your spiritual father is blasphemous because
we only have one father, God the father. Obviously, the Catholics have a lot more
problems than that too. But I kind of was speculating in a sermon not that long ago
about the false prophet. And I think this is kind of an interesting idea.
I was wondering if it's possible that the false prophet's not even necessarily religious. Like
he's not necessarily a religious character at first, but then he kind of takes on a religious
persona with the antichrist. But more he's a character that has a megaphone. And I kind of
theorize, and I don't think this is necessarily true, but I kind of looked at the idea of
something like the X app. And with someone like Elon Musk, you know, if the pope goes out and says
something tomorrow, yeah, a lot of people will pay attention. But honestly, there's certain people
that have a lot more influence than the pope. And it seems like someone like an Elon Musk,
where they have a lot of power, they have a lot of influence, they have a big following,
they have a pretty big megaphone with their own particular application that if someone like that
were to say, you know, I'm not that religious, but now all of a sudden, this is God, this is the
Christ and we all need to follow them. And they're just kind of shouting that with their megaphone
application that I think that could fit scripture pretty well. Also, you know, and again, I'm not
trying to pick on Elon, but you know, the Bible says that the false prophet is going to be able
to do miracles like calling fire down from heaven. Well, it's pretty interesting that Elon is really
interested in having all these satellites set up kind of like a hive all over the entire earth.
And additionally, with Starlink, he's going to be able to broadcast the internet to pretty much
every square inch of the planet, which is another important prophecy because the Bible talks about
how when the two witnesses are lying dead in Jerusalem, that the whole world is going to be
able to see their dead bodies lying there. And we see that day approaching fast in the sense that
with internet, with smartphones and everything like that, pretty much the whole world can be
tuned in to a particular event as long as there's internet. So if we literally did solve that problem
to where there's internet everywhere, there's satellites that can potentially, whether that's
a supernatural thing or not, call fire down from heaven. And we have someone with a megaphone
saying, "This guy is God." I kind of wondered if maybe I'm wrong and it's not necessarily the pope,
it could be somebody that has political and technical influence. What do you think about that?
What did you think about that, Ben, when I kind of brought that up? Is that a possibility?
I think it's a possibility. I don't know about Elon himself, but I would say-
What about his son?
Yeah, I was going to say-
The XAE-12 or whatever?
Somebody that he's related to or one of his future progeny, his son or his son's son,
maybe second or third generation, could potentially fit the bill. But when you talk about
the false prophet not starting out as a religious figure, that also fits perfectly
with Scripture because if we look at the life of the Antichrist, he does start out as a political
figure. He does not start out as an inherent religious figure. It isn't until the midpoint
of Daniel's 70th week when he ends up getting hit with a deadly wound to the head and then he's
revived courtesy of the power of the devil. You have the abomination of desolation. I think that's
when he actually reveals himself as a religious figure and in particular a false messiah figure
where he sets up that image and he basically forces everyone to worship him as a false god.
Yeah in Daniel chapter 11 and again you could be alluding to the future antichrist saying verse
38 "but in his estate shall he honor the god of forces and a god whom his fathers knew not shall
he honor with gold and silver with precious stones and pleasant things." So it almost alludes to the
idea of this person not necessarily following in any specific religious historicity but almost coming
up with something new. I don't know what are your thoughts about a technical false prophet or something
like that? Is that something you think is possible? Yeah I definitely feel like the use of the word
prophecy, I mean prophet, is going to include that religious part and like what Ben said I do believe
that the antichrist power is both a political and religious power. I think we both, I think we
differ a little bit on the interpretation of Daniel 9.25 of that last week and how that
lays out but one thing I wanted to bring up when you're listing the things and distinguishing
between them, one thing I think is so important to distinguish between is the end times versus the
end of time. So we have the end times being a longer period than the end of time being when God
creates a new heaven and a new earth. But back to Elon Musk, it is worrisome that he wears this
Halloween costume with the upside down cross on the back and a little...
The Paphomet.
...Paphomet on the front. It's a little worrisome that this man has deals with the defense
department and gets all this money from government that I guess would have been going to NASA or
whatever. And there is the potential for doing false miracle work by giving people sight,
giving them hearing or maybe other kinds of healing with brain chips.
So I think there's a huge potential in there for Musk to at least be a tool of Satan if not...
if he's not going to be the antichrist or whatever, he could at least be a false prophet
or a tool of Satan. And the great thing about conversations like this is that it makes me
feel a lot of relief. Like as long as the body of Christ is sort of looking in all these directions
trying to identify something that's going to come after true believers, then that puts us
on a pretty good footing for the future so long as we have the ability to communicate like this.
Hey, did you hear about this thing with Elon Musk? Did you hear what the Pope said? Did you hear what
this random ruler over here said? So it gives me a lot of relief to know that we're all out here
trying to figure this out and be on good footing before the end of time, before the end times,
excuse me, begins. And that would be the question that I wanted to throw to you guys. Do you feel
like we are in the end times? And how soon do you think the end of time would be? Well, I think
that, you know, obviously there is a distinguishment between some of the timelines that we're talking
about. I think sometimes people might loosely refer to the end times as just being like,
we're towards the end of human history as we know it. And I could see how people could say that. And
I could generally agree that it seems like we're nearing the end. So maybe we're in end times in
that sense. But if we're going to talk about Daniel's 70th week or the idea that there's
going to be a final seven years before the millennial reign of Christ, no, I do not believe
that we've entered into that seven year period. Or the book of Revelation brings up seven seals
that are going to be unleashed. I don't believe that any of those seals have been opened today.
Of course, the Bible does bring up how after those seven seals, there's going to be a thousand year
reign of Christ. He's going to rule and reign on the earth and is going to be peace for a thousand
years. Then the devil is going to be let loose one more time to gather the whole world together
to the battle of Gog and Magog upon which God will destroy them with fire from heaven
and will enter in the great white throne judgment. And then we'll have the new heavens and the new
earth. I don't even know that I would say that the new heavens and the new earth is the end of time
because, you know, I don't know that there's really any scripture that say that time is
going to completely end. It's just going to be forever. Like time will just go, we're in eternity
in a sense. So however that works, of course, I could never wrap my mind around something that's
eternal. But at the end, the end of time of this earth. Sure. Yeah. And I agree with, I agree with
that. So, you know, when it comes to the seven year period, some people say we're already in
the seventh year or the fifth seals has been open or we're in the sixth seal or stuff like that.
We're we're Nineveh. I mean, you know, have you heard these ideas of we're in these seals, Ben?
If I may interject real quick. Go for it, Brian. You go first and then I'll jump in after you. Go
ahead. Yeah, I was going to just throw out there that I don't necessarily feel like these seven
seals have been opened or anything like that. But just to the audience, there's a discussion out
there in the Christian body, you might say, of what the last seven days, day years of this Daniel
prophecy means. And I don't put it into the future. I believe that that seven-year period, the middle
of that week was Christ being crucified and making an end of sins through that. So that's just
something we don't have to have the debate of that right now. But I'm just saying as an audience
member, go look into it. See what you think. I lean on one side. I don't necessarily am dogmatic
about it. But that's what becomes the trouble of these discussions is being too dogmatic on
the seven seals, the seven trumpets. We have the seven churches, seven seals, excuse me, seven
churches, seven seals, seven trumpets. Then there's going to be this great controversy climax between
Christ and Satan, then the fall of Babylon, then the millennium, and then the new Jerusalem. And
it's interesting that I believe it's the book of Nahum that we were talking about earlier, where
Nineveh finally does fall due to its iniquity. It's structured similarly to Revelation,
where the structure is like a chiasm, where you have almost like equal parts on each side of this
structure as it goes through, not chronologically. But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
No, you're good. I want to get your thoughts. Do you kind of agree with how I labeled the end
times there, Ben? Yeah, I'm on the same page with you. I think that I do understand, Brian,
where you're coming from on that Daniel 927 interpretation. And I have heard that position
before. But to answer the question regarding the, are we in the end times, that question,
I would say no. And there's certain things that I have to see first before making that declaration.
First of all, I need to see a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. There isn't one right now. I need to
see daily sacrifices going on in that temple. There aren't any right now. And I also would say
that until the abomination of desolation occurs, which Brian, I realize maybe we have some
disagreement on this, that's okay. Still like you, all right? Everything's fine. But my point is,
we're not liberals here, okay? We don't demand ideological purity to come on our show. But
here's my point. Yeah, we wouldn't let your McDonald's trash come on the show.
Even Pastor Shelley and I have different views on stuff. He hates McDonald's. I kind of like it. But
anyway, I have to see that abomination of desolation before I can for sure definitively say
that we are in the end times. Well, I've talked with pre-Tribbers and they say, obviously they
disagree with me on end times, you know, eschatology. And I kind of asked one of my friends, I said,
okay, at what point will you agree with me and say it's post-Trib? And it's kind of like that
abomination of desolation event. If that happened, then you'd be like, okay, I guess you're right.
We weren't raptured out before that particular event. Yeah, I mean, the Bible says, Jesus Christ
himself said in the Olivet Discourse, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation
spoken of by Dana the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso read it, let him understand." So
clearly, that is a pivotal event. How could you believe that with the pre-trib? Because according
to them, no Christian will see the abomination desolation because they're all raptured out of
here. Well, if you hold to the pre-tribulation rapture position, your only option, I would think...
The Jews that randomly got saved in the rapture or something?
It's either Jews or you could... Or you have to claim that Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21
has nothing to do with the rapture at all. What is it? Just a preterist view? But that's
not pretty true. Yeah. Well, then you would have to claim that it's either already all completely
been fulfilled or that it's only for the Jews. Coldbergs and Steinbergs and stuff like that.
Okay. Well, that's kind of funny. You know, what's interesting to me is thinking about,
Elon, pull up that image because I think I sent it to you. I don't want to kick the dog anymore,
but obviously when you're wearing clothes like this, it kind of puts you thinking like what's
going on? What is the deal? What was the purpose of this year? And a lot of people like Elon. Look,
I kind of like Elon. I like what he's done with Twitter in the sense that it seems like he's
brought a little bit more freedom of speech. Yeah. And again, some bad things have still
happened on Twitter, and it's questionable if that's like Elon or if that's just minions that
work for him that are kind of subverting his policies. I don't know. I'm kind of glad. Twitter
actually put me back on today, so I have to give them a thumbs up. You know, Pastor Shelley's
account. You're back. Yeah, @pastorsteadfast was reinstated today. Do we think it was Elon in his
office that personally clicked the button? Yeah, for sure. He's a fan of the Baptist bias.
Okay. He watches it for sure. And so that's probably why. But honestly, you know, the thing
is about his son though, that's really creepy to me is his his biological mother. Her name is like,
Grimes is like this artist's name or something. And she she has like a bunch of music videos.
There's one where she's like in like a garden, and she's got like a snake wrapped around her.
And then there's like another video where she's like this bloody fallen angel or something like
that. And she's, they specifically said they want to raise their son without gender,
which which is weird, of course. But if you know, when it talks about the Antichrist specifically,
he doesn't desire women. And you know, it's kind of like, you wonder with all this transgender
binary, you know, non binary parenting going out there, is that the perfect vehicle to raise
an Antichrist type child, obviously is going to be given access to unlimited wealth and power and
everything because of daddy. I mean, if you think about what Elon has, he could very well hand it
down to the next generation and they kind of inherit a fortune of power, influence and ability
to do things. So, you know, I'm not saying that his son is the Antichrist or the false prophet
or anything like that. But obviously, if I were to, in my own science fiction novel, try to figure
out what would be the kind of the piece of the puzzle here, it seems like his son could be someone
that's fitting that mold. What do you think about what I just said about him, his son? Is that kind
of perturbing or what do you think, Ben? Obviously, it's perturbing. It's weird. It's satanic.
I'm curious if Brian has a reaction to all that. I mean, these are strange people. They have
doctrines of devils, you might say. I don't have much to say about Musk and Grimes. I just find
them really weird. I was for a long time going to do a report about Grimes, but it just didn't feel
like it was that important. I don't know how significant these people are in the course of
history going forward. I think time will tell. I definitely didn't think he was going to be
running Twitter, and that's been a huge deal. And he's become very, like, just on an ex-spaceship
into the political world because of the implications of Twitter and uncensoring people.
And so we know that Satan's going to be using dialectics to control us. So I guess the
question I would ask, or a statement, would be maybe Musk is being used by Satan to kind of
gather Christians behind him, be like, "Yes, I'm going to give Baptist Bias their Twitter back,
and I'm going to be a right-wing ally. And so, therefore, all the Christians can trust me,"
type of thing. While the left simultaneously, you know, there's hit pieces on Musk all the time now,
just like there was with Jones and Trump. And so, he's kind of become politicized ever
since his Twitter involvement. So, I definitely think Satan's going to use all the pieces on the
table. You know, Satan's even infiltrating all the churches. So, of course, he's going to use
things in the secular world. Well, and even if Elon's not necessarily a bad guy, like he's evil
to the core or something, he could still be used by the devil. Obviously, Solomon was a great man
of God, but was used by the devil in a lot of ways towards the end of his life. And I've seen
Elon Musk on the Babylon Bee and I've seen him talking about Christianity and things and
he's definitely never been like blasphemous that I can remember, like openly blasphemous or anything.
Obviously, he's been like kind of an atheist and stuff like that, but I don't see him just,
you know, saying GD and like cursing God or Jesus. Maybe there's clips out there that I'm
ignorant of, but you know, I would hope that if given an encounter, someone that has the gospel
would share that with him. You know, I wouldn't back away from giving the gospel to Elon or
any of his kids or anything like that, but at the same time, I think that we have to be careful
that there could be some Trojan horses out there and we don't really know, you know, what these
people are like. It's easier for the camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for a
rich man to enter the kingdom of God. We know he's very, very, very rich. You know, he's autistic
though. So maybe like that would help him. Cause I feel like autistic people, they care more about
the truth. It's a lot harder for them to lie and things like that. Um, he's autistic. Yeah,
he has, he's like slightly on the spectrum, I believe. Um, but you know, another thing
that's interesting about him though, is it's like, he's not really rich for just being so awesome.
It's just like, he's gotten all these government handouts, like essentially a lot of the companies
and the organizations that he's built, it's just been with like a hand of the government,
kind of allowing him to have that influence and have that money. So obviously he is smart. I'm
not trying to take away from how smart he is, but at the same time, like, I don't think he's as much
the self-made man as he's kind of the bought and paid for man in a lot of ways too. So I definitely
think that we should be as Christians watching. And you know, even though I have a strong bias,
I have the Baptist bias, I want to always make sure that my viewpoints can be challenged with
scripture and with the Bible and that I'm willing to, you know, make sure that I'm,
I could change because I've changed a lot of things in my life. I've changed a lot of views.
I used to be pre-trib. And then I ended up realizing like, that's just not what the Bible
teaches. And so, you know, I've come to a position called post-trib pre-wrath. But, you know,
at the same time, there's a lot of people out there that just, while we can't know everything,
there's still a lot of things we can know for sure. And there's still a lot of people that are
giving ear to and listening to a lot of just junk. You have a couple of clips. I want to get to a
couple more clips before we get a little bit deeper in the conversation. But you have a clip
from clip five. It's Encounter Today TV. It's about the pre-trib rapture. Maybe it's a prediction,
but I want to play a couple of these clips. Yeah, it's just a guy who's trying to give
biblical evidence from his perspective on why the rapture is pre-trib. It's very short.
Yeah, let's just play clip five. Because there are people who say that there's no verse that
speaks to the rapture of the church. It's not in the Bible. Well, no, you're not in the Bible.
Because I'm going to give you two verses right here that prove the rapture's coming and you
want to be ready. Here it is. Revelation chapter three verse ten, "Because you have kept the word
of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all
the world, and to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly, hold fast,
which thou hast, that no man take your crown." He's going to keep us not from the tribulation,
from the hour of the tribulation. And then I want to speak to what you just said here
with first Thessalonians, which is such a blessing. Chapter one in verse ten, where he commands us to
wait for his son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivers us from the
wrath to come. Well, that's a pretty strong accusation that someone who's not pre-trib just
not in their Bible. But of course, first Thessalonians chapter number one agrees with
the post-trib pre-wrath position. So he's kind of straw manning his opposition there because
obviously I agree that I'm not going to go through the wrath of God, but the word wrath and tribulation
aren't interchangeable. We're experiencing tribulation today when Christians are being
persecuted for their faith. There's tribulation all over the world. Tribulation is simply just trouble
or persecution for the cause of Christ, which has happened from inception. Abel was killed by his
brother Cain. That was tribulation. And additionally, we've seen tribulation throughout all of the Old
Testament and the New Testament. To say that we're not going to go through tribulation is really not
understanding scripture at all. To say that we're not going to go through wrath, well, that is
biblical. Of course, the Bible says that we're not appointed unto wrath, but the wrath of God is very
clearly unleashed in the seal seven in the book of Revelation. It says in his wrath is come.
And then we have seven vile judgments. You brought up those sevens, which I thought was
interesting, the seven churches, and then there's seven seals, then there's seven trumpets. Well,
there's also seven vile judgments if you kind of pay attention to that as well. So to say that
the pre-trib rapture is there in Revelation chapter three, that was the only other verse
he brought up. It's such a stretch because he's talking to one church out of seven,
the church of Philadelphia. So I don't know if he's a dispensationalist or something,
probably going with we're in the Philadelphia age or something perhaps. But to say that's a
clear verse on a pre-trib rapture is just not being intellectually honest with the text.
But I feel like this is the prevailing view. I mean, do you find that most people you talk
to, Brian, are pre-trib or what do you kind of run into? No, most people that I talk to
are believing that we are going to go through a tribulation, that we are going to be like,
imagine the Israelites in Egypt, did they leave before the plagues happened or were they there
for the plagues? So I feel like there's types in the Bible that show us what things are going to
be like in the future. And I also wanted to bring up, here's something that might just be fun to
look at, because I've always assumed that this rapture moment would be God taking the righteous
away. But when you look at, which I pretty much believe, you know, I'm just saying if you want a
little something to chew on and think about, let me find this real quick, in the wheat and tears
parable in verse 30, I'm sorry I didn't write what chapter it was, but let both growth, yes, yes,
yes, what let both grow together until the harvest and in the time of the harvest I will say to the
reapers gather ye together first the tears and bind them together in bundles to burn them but
gather the wheat into my barn so I just thought it was interesting that in that parable first the
tears are gathered so you know this left behind scenario where it's just a normal day there's no
tribulations going on and all the righteous disappear I think first of all you're going
to be going through the tribulations there's going to be people put to death you know it's
going to we'll know when we're there there's not any much of an argument for being in the tribulation
now at least you know not having the mark of the beast and all that but then I think it's an
interesting point to study in your bible those listening what if the people first taken were
actually the tears and not the weed I just think it's an interesting conversation that
usually just becomes assumed because of pop culture left behind series did a huge huge number on
everyone on that one but what do you think about that yeah this is definitely an interesting verse
and this has always been my interpretation and I could I could totally change my mind but I've
always interpreted this as first of all understanding the tears are reprobates they're
they're basically the seed of the devil they're people that have given up their chance to believe
on the lord jesus christ because they hate god so much and I think in the end times we see the the
obvious manifestation of this is by taking the mark of the beast the bible says that the people
who take the mark of the beast are going to be thrown in the lake of fire that they're they're
doomed and so if you kind of understand a timeline from our perspective you know I believe that the
abomination desolation happens in the middle part of a seven-year period it's the it's at the fifth
seal of the the seven seals that are in the book of revelation and what happens is the anti-crisis
killed given received a deadly wound he comes back to life declares himself god and then demands in
revelation chapter 13 all the world to receive a mark in their right hand or in their forehead
and I believe those who are taking that mark could be seen as those bundles being bound together and
gathered together as the minions of the antichrist in the antichrist kingdom receiving this mark and
that happens for a short space until there is the rapture where those who are alive and remain after
going through a great tribulation are caught up together with the lord Jesus Christ in the clouds
and so I think that what maybe it's possibly describing here is that gathering of the
reprobates with the mark of the beast and then he's gathering the wheat through the rapture
and after the rapture he's going to then pour out his wrath on this earth and he's going of course
throw all of those people which receive the mark into the lake of fire which burning the fire and
brimstone what do you think about that idea ben have you heard you probably heard me say that
before i don't know yeah i've heard you teach it this way another view i i think that for me it's
possible that this could actually be in reference to not that what you're saying is wrong or something
like that i think there's likely multiple interpretations to this parable and one that
i heard that i actually subscribed to myself is this idea that what we're talking about here in
matthew 13 is the transition from the millennial kingdom to the new heaven and new earth and
specifically the reason why i would say that is because you have in matthew 13 in verse 38 it
says the field is the world the good seed are the children of the kingdom but the tares are the
children of the wicked one and the thing is though verse 39 i'm sorry is what i really wanted to read
the enemy that sow them is the devil the harvest is the end of the world the thing is about that
phrase end of the world you could argue that that is talking about the rapture but i also think
there's evidence in scripture that the end is actually talking about the end of the millennium
in the beginning of the new heaven and new earth the bible in first corinthians 15 talks about this
and it says you know then cometh the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to the father
and we see that in verse 43 the bible says then shall the righteous shine forth at this as the son
in the kingdom of their father who hath ears to hear let him hear well the kingdom of their father
seems to be pointing to the new heaven and new earth when the father actually comes down and
dwells with mankind so for me the primary interpretation is actually that transition
from the millennium to the new heaven new earth which would explain why the tares are bound first
because we know that at Gog and Magog they're all gathered around Jerusalem and then a fire comes
down from heaven and devours them well i i don't know that i necessarily even see a difference
between what i'm saying and you're saying i'm saying that they the bundling process starts
with the mark of the beast and the end culmination is of course the millennial reign with you but
it could be and i could see how maybe you would say the gatherings maybe at the very beginning
of the millennial reign he comes down and then he's like hey where are those servants that said
this man shall not reign over us and they gather them but like what the bryans pointing out is it
kind of almost seems like there's a gathering before the rapture event so if that's true if
that's kind of what the text is alluding to then i think that my interpretation could possibly
answer all of that like kind of explain that whole transition there but we're on the same
page and the end of the world is that talking about the actual moment or just a general like
lump of time that's kind of just the general end i don't know yeah what do you think brian about
those ideas let's get brian's i love that like what y'all just said i feel like shined a lot of
light for me on on this parable it's just amazing how sure the word of god is that like these things
perfectly parallel things in other parts of the new testament and then you also have the amazing
parallels from old testament to new like the snake on the stick that when they're being bit by the
fiery serpents and if you look to it then you won't die um there's just so many amazing things
like that that gives me so much faith that this book was not just devised by humans i don't want
to go off on a tangent about that but i can't the most common thing i'll hear i guess i will go on
the tangent is people saying oh did you know that the egyptian uh these stories in egypt were
actually that's where they got the jesus story from as if satan is not behind the scenes trying
to create counterfeits not only for the antichrist counterfeit that's horseman that can do these
yeah exactly yeah well i mean here's the thing people that are saying that they didn't like
actually study the bible thoroughly and read it cover to cover and they don't even believe it
either so it's not like uh they really have a uh high level of standard that they're holding
themselves to a high level of scrutiny they're just like oh if you were if you were so learned
as i am you would realize this happened in egypt but it's like where's your sources what did you
read did you read the bible and it's like they didn't even read anything they're just quoting
some youtube video from an atheist or something like that but we are going to be taking a few
call-in questions if we have any we do have one already and i want to bring on mike from florida
he's got a question for us about the first seal uh hey mike how's it going can you hear us oh
we're i want to point out before we get my just went to you yeah i know oh that that's appropriate
with brian on the line i don't know if you got that reference brian but i want to say very just
quickly alex yeah when he the caller wouldn't talk that's like our favorite clip in our in
our in our studio we all we always say that all the time this conversation i think and other
ones that we've had especially in private between you and i pastor shelly it just highlights how
true it is that iron sharpens iron yeah and that's really the the point i wanted to make and you know
again we like bringing other people on the show and getting all our ideas and the truth is going
to win and i like that we have call ins we got a call in from mike from florida hey mike how's it
going hey pastor chile how you guys doing today doing great thanks for calling in thanks for uh
thanks for taking my call um i just had a question about the seals and i've been thinking about things
for a little while um does the first seal when it when it does it have to does it have to start
the three and a half year period and the only reason i'm asking that is because um it says that
um the first seal is a crown was given to him and he went forth conquering and to conquer
it doesn't specifically say that there's going to be war or or people being murdered then it does
though however like later on down in the other seals down after the uh i think a pale horse came
with death and what i'm always thinking about is that the internet has in my opinion has to play a
huge role in the end times because it's so revolutionary and like the internet has done
a really good job of like taking peace from the earth which is like the second seal um and i just
look at it like is the conquering and to conquer is that like the internet and the internet of
things like could that be like that's the way it kind of conquers and to conquer and to kind of
like move the battlefield to the whole earth and then after a certain tipping point maybe that then
it takes peace from the earth and it convinces people to to kill one another or am i totally
off base here well you know i think that when it comes to my view that there's like this last
seven year period of time i think it does seem logical and seems consistent with scripture that
the first seal being opened would be kind of kicking off that timeline when it comes to the
word conquer i think it definitely just the word itself alludes to the idea of some kind of violence
or some some type of taking over could that be like you said a different style of conquering i
think it could but the reason why i would say it's not is just because when you look at the other
seals and you look at what's going on on the earth you see the ramifications of worldwide war you see
the bloodshed you see you know famine and it seems like all these things very easily roll into one
another in the sense that when there is worldwide you know war then there is going to be a higher
likelihood of certain parts of the earth not getting food the supply lines being cut short
um disruptions in the economy and everything that's going on so i think that it it really
makes a lot of sense that these things are going to unfold in a of course a pattern but at the same
time like the bible talks about death being the fourth beast the pale horse death and hell follows
with it um you know i no one's going to die from just watching the internet at least i hope not
it's like the rain or something like that but uh you know what is your take on this brian
yeah i'd love to address this one i i obviously don't ascribe to the fact that the 70 weeks of
daniel need to necessarily be involved with this timeline and i don't think that the end times
have to be begun for the seals to begin being opened all we know is that there's only one
capable of opening these seals and that's christ and i wanted to bring up before i tell you what i
think the white horse is i wanted to bring up what you said about the internet the first morse code
signal sent which you could argue is like the predecessor for telephone and internet was what
hath god wrought and i can't remember what old testament book that's from but i think it's very
interesting that that would be the first thing told when yes we see all the evil in the world
perpetuated through the internet music uh television all the horrible culture and
pornography demonic influence but the internet can also be used to spread the gospel it's almost
like two things are going to be heightened at once i can attest that i started watching different
pastors on youtube and that really was a huge huge almost just you can't take it away and have me be
on this path to christ without that so as long there's going to be evil increasing with internet
and also the gospel will quicken with the internet i think and i've fallen to the it's not a uncommon
thing i believe that the first horse a white horse christ was pure and white i believe that
this represents christ and he had a bow he didn't have arrows and he had a crown we know that christ
is king and he went forth conquering and to conquer with his bow and a bow could also be sort of
symbolic of a covenant like the rainbow after noah's ark and i think it's interesting that in
zechariah this is when i use old testament what is what are these horses what are these horses
all about in zechariah you also have horses that proceed from god the horses are coming
from where god is in zechariah eight uh nine ten of zechariah one talks about the horses and in
zechariah six so you could go look at that and there's different horses in there that are
kind of similar you got a red horse and um sorry uh anyway first horse red horses black horses
and they're proceeding these horses are coming from where god is so i think the horses don't
necessarily all have to be nefarious is my point with that but we also know that the angels hold
back the winds of strife so it doesn't necessarily mean that the horses or any of them are good or
bad but i hope that you know gives you something to look into there mr florida i forgot what your
name was mike mike mike i did can any good thing come out of florida no i'm just kidding i moved
here from florida exactly what's that supposed to mean well you know one thing i've never heard of
the idea of the white horse uh being christ what one thing i would i would say that doesn't seem
to fit to me is just how in revelation chapter four when john is being given this vision
specifically it says in verse number one come up hither and i will show thee things which must be
here after so in revelation chapter number four we start all of these prophecies and john is
seeing things that are not going to happen yet because he's told he's going to be seeing things
that are going to happen now like in the present and then things that are going to come after this
so john is being told in revelation four that the things he's going to see are going to happen
afterwards and then in revelation chapter six is where we pick up with the seals specifically
and we see the white horse and the one sitting on it so i think that it would kind of mess up the
chronology of christ if we were to put christ there because christ has already come well before the
book of revelation was ever written um obviously john is an apostle of the lord jesus christ and
jesus christ is this is the revelation of jesus christ and his glorified state that's what it
says in revelation chapter number one so i i do think that uh there could be other interpretations
of you know revelation that maybe i haven't thought of or i could i could change my mind
i've just i've never heard of it being christ that would be kind of a pushback from my perspective of
maybe that that doesn't seem to necessarily fit this vision i i do agree that horses are not
necessarily a negative creature they're a positive and a negative creature because
specifically jesus christ does definitely come back on a horse in the in part of revelation uh
when he conquers everybody at the battle of armageddon so there's there's no doubt that
the horse can be a positive and a negative creature um i just have always seen revelation
chapter six referring to uh specifically you know it's called the four horse of the apocalypse is
is one of the ways that people describe this as being the anti-christ um also you mentioned you
had the bow i think it's another indication of this being war what do you think ben do you think
this guy is is out for bloodshed do you think there's any way that this could be interpreted
as like a a peaceful takeover i would say that this is the anti-christ's rise to the top of the
new world order power structure which then enables them to start the world wars that we see
and the famines that we see with seals two three four and then leading up to the martyrdom
of seal number five and just to add to what you were saying revelation chapter 19 uh with regard
to the battle of armageddon jesus comes on a white horse no question there and so if revelation six
and the first seal is describing the anti-christ well that would fit because the anti-christ would
be counterfeiting yeah uh jesus christ there brian brought up though about the internet and how the
internet has played a huge role in his christian life and another point that i wanted to make there
is jesus christ he said that before the rapture has to happen that this gospel of the kingdom
must be preached basically he says that it shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto
all nations and then shall the end come and i think that you could argue maybe the internet is the
vehicle by which that occurs you have a reaction to that yeah no i think that's those are good
thoughts i was kind of curious mike what do you think about uh our answers here yeah um i obviously
it's open to a lot of open to all you guys are really learned on this stuff be way beyond me so
all this is it's fantastic the what the only reason why i thought the first thing that i thought i've
been thinking about for a while is because um on in revelation six four um it says um him that sat
there on to take peace from the earth and that they should kill one another and there was given
into him a great sword so it's like people are killing one another he kind of gives them the
power to kill each other or he gives like the influence it seems like that to me but then in
revelation chapter eight it's almost like and power was given to to them meaning uh death and hell
over the fourth part of to kill with the sword and with hunger and with death so in my head
when i was when i read it all the time i always think that is two separate like entities killing
the earth it's like the earth killing itself because of some sort of influence in the earlier
part of the chapter and then later on in the chapter it seems like the actual conqueror the
or the antichrist is the one actually killing with the sword um but i think i might be leaning
towards more what um pastor shelly says about that well i you know i preached a sermon on this
chapter recently you could check it out on our our rumble the steadfast rumble there's a revelation
four um i i do think the the white horse it may not have any kind of bloodshed with that specific
event like ben mentioned it's kind of like someone becoming the king of america and it says he has a
bow which would make sense because america fights a lot of wars from afar we have so much power with
missiles airstrikes we have just a uh the ability to shoot from afar as it were and you could say
that maybe the white crown or the white horse and the crown is just the idea of getting the power
to have control over this particular entity then the second horse the red horse is where do we see
the actual bloodshed and war begin and they could come very quickly very subsequently um when it
talks about them killing each other i just think that's in reference to war obviously people are
just killing each other in war and when you have massive worldwide war you're going to have people
dying from a lot of different things specifically you know it says that they're going to be killed
with the sword that's the direct warfare hunger that's due to the famine death could be pestilence
and plagues that are also brought and then beasts of the earth this is where i always think of
australia specifically and and just because they have like 50 million kangaroos and 28 million
people but honestly australia has some of those deadly spiders scorpions all kinds of snakes and
in fact you're not allowed to kill snakes over there because it's like taboo or something like
that but just imagine i mean i guarantee australia is bringing all kinds of food and imports if
there's a worldwide war those ships might start to cease to come over there could be a lot of
economic disturbance and now you have all these tick-tock beach babes wandering around in the
city without any food and they're running into all kinds of scorpions snakes kangaroos and
whatever i mean like you could see a lot of people is literally dying from the beasts of the earth
because the beasts also are looking for food they could be very perturbed by things that are going
on the bible talks about how there's signs in the sky i heard a lot of people say that their dogs
and animals freaked out when there was the eclipse recently and i even know that my toddler was kind
of kind of nervous about that but you know when there's earthquakes animals get all scared and
nervous and so i mean just with all kinds of crazy things going on there's going to be a lot
of opportunity for people to die in a multitude of ways and i think that's what we kind of see
and it makes sense i mean this is the this is the final works the final escalation of the fireworks
this is the end part of the show where all the fireworks are being shot off and one great event
and so i think this is a short period of time where we're going to see the most bloodshed
death destruction uh that we've ever seen before and it culminates even in the great tribulation
and then of course the appearing of the lord jesus christ finally so um no i really appreciate
your quest question do you have any uh last things you want to say there mike before we let you go
that's it just thank you guys and god bless you thank you keep keep florida sane over there okay
you know pastor shelly oh go ahead mike no he's good we dropped him pastor shelly there's forces
today the ruling class today has the power to take peace from from earth we see it with the
constant warfare that we have that the united states engages in and the regime change well
look at how the supply lines got disturbed just through covid i mean that wasn't even worldwide
war that was just covid or whatever and we really haven't even recovered all of our supply lines
since then uh if you want to ask another question we we can take collins two three one baptist
you could call into the show you could put in a question into the chat sometimes we'll look at
some of the questions that you have in the chat we may ask one did you want to cover the solar
eclipse thing and yeah brian did you did you get nervous whenever the eclipse happened or you guys
could see it over there in austin couldn't you yeah i was at zilker park sending a live feedback
to the studio here and uh it was a pretty good crowd out there and it was i would say maybe
five times more impressive than i thought it would be how dark it got and yes these bats started
flying around and i thought it was nighttime so oh man yeah because there's a bunch of bats that
live in austin under the bridges and uh they just started flying out because they thought it was
nighttime and it was pretty pretty powerful but i wasn't necessarily concerned and basically that's
what it's turning into a bunch of jokers running around here yeah oh man but it was you know i
didn't think anything necessarily crazy was going to happen but i did suspect that occult you know
people that are very into astrology and stuff were going to maybe do some ceremony and secretly
or you know who knows what the heck's going on bohemian grow was not to hang out where you want
to hang out yesterday forever you're the one yeah you'll find out you're the one that's going to be
sacrificed let's see i think we have another clip uh or two some from some of these weirdos what do
we have the the big nick man tell us how you really feel go ahead well let's see the clip let's see
what this guy has to say yeah big nick on youtube here clip two on april 8th a once in a lifetime
solar eclipse is going to plunge certain parts of america into total darkness during the middle of
the day the news is even calling this an astronomical experience like no other the shocking part is this
eclipse is going to be passing through eight towns called ninova which is the city recorded in the
bible where the prophet jona warned them about the wrath of god to come this will also be taking
place under the constellation sedis which means the whale as many of you know the prophet jona
was swallowed by a whale before being spit onto the shore to go preach repentance to ninova
jesus says in matthew 16 4 a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall
be given to it except the sign of the prophet jona and he left them and departed we learn in
the very beginning of the bible that god created astronomical events in the sky to be signs to mark
sacred times genesis 114 says this and god said let there be lights in the vault of the sky to
separate the day from the night and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times and days and years
can this guy get a little more pink i mean i not enough pink i don't think he has enough pink in
his show i think there's another clip is that was that clip two or three i can't remember but
obviously the devil knows something that we don't i'm not saying that america is for sure mystery
babylon but there probably is a chance that it is considering that these people believe so in fact
america's history is shockingly founded off of babylonian witchcraft and babylonian god worship
even monumental buildings engraved in this country's history like the statue of liberty
is actually a satanic altar of the babylonian goddess ishtar now back to the first question
that the skeptics may have why would something like an eclipse indicate that this is a sign from
god many people don't know this about the biblical history of ninova but something similar happened
when jona preached judgment to them ancient history also shows that right before ninova
repented in the bible story of jona there was a total solar eclipse called the bursa gale eclipse
which was one of the astronomical phenomenas that caused an entire pagan city to repent from their
pagan practices and turn back to the true god yaweh this solar eclipse was also engraved in
ancient assyrian archaeological findings further verifying that an astronomical event took place
during this time america has abandoned god and fully embraced perverse secular values and this
eclipse very well may be a sign from the heavens that the doors for repentance are closing this
should be a wake-up call to repent of your sins and turn back to jesus before it's too late i love
america and i'm very proud to be a citizen here but let's just face the facts it's not surprising
that god is getting close to judging this country things that were all viewed as sin 10 years ago
are now being promoted as normal and this poisonous ideology that has destroyed the west is being
exported to nations around the world one of the reasons why the devil attacks america so much
with embracing sinful values is because he knows other countries viewed the united states as the
moral authority due to their financial success and freedoms that other countries don't have this
causes a negative psychological influence on other countries that are originally traditional to start
embracing progressive beliefs since they look up to america as a country wow i don't disagree with
some of the stuff there i mean he's talking about babalon and the united states he's such an annoying
cadence to his speech moral decay right obviously there's that aspect of it i'm not sure i buy
you find these carpet jockeys to you know put on the screen for us i'm not sure what that means but
he's like your cousin from another mother i heard well you could thank pastor mehia because pastor
mehia preached on this subject and he mentioned this guy and then i went and looked them up so
i don't buy the solar eclipse well you know it's kind of funny is like pastor Anderson brought
this up on our show about the timing of the Passover debunking good friday how christopher
columbus had actually tricked the native americans by saying god was mad at them and he knew about a
solar eclipse just because they had studied astronomy and so he basically told him about a
solar eclipse that was going to happen and then they saw it and it kind of freaked them out or
whatever but notice the native americans never really got right and got saved and or anything
like that so i don't i don't know what this guy's really trying to say it seems like he's just
saying stuff but he's not really connecting any actual dots of course i agree you're right some
of the things he said i think america probably is mystery babalon but i don't know what was the
point of these clips i feel like you had a point to them just to point out that there's a theory
out there online that the solar eclipse was a message by god that the united states is nearing
judgment and the fact that the totality went over these cities how about joe biden being our
president is do we need a bigger sign than that i'm just commute i'm just like i said i'm just
trying to tell you what they're saying is that it went over the the eclipse went over these cities
of ninova and so that points to the judgment of ninova that occurred in the bible and therefore
the united states is nearing judgment as a result and that's what the eclipse is trying to communicate
to us well again he points out to some things in the bible that are true obviously the bible does
talk about things being signs in the sky so i would i would never take away from the idea that
there couldn't be a sign in the sky but to say that it's this american city named ninova and
that's somehow tying us to ninova i just think that that's like pseudo intellectual it is funny
how one of his proof texts is a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign
that's kind of like ironic a little bit but what do you think brian oh i think there
was definitely truth and error mix there it starts off kind of painting this picture of the path and
all the ninova and the whale constellation and that's all very interesting i don't blame them
for cashing in on the eclipse frenzy it definitely was all over the place and then towards the end
of that second clip it's like yeah like what you're saying like i don't necessarily disagree with
uh stuff he was mentioning that we have a culture that has problems and we need to repent and
everything and that god will judge you know everybody including this country at some point
but yeah i just saw it as you know just salacious uh sexy prophecy kind of non-biblical sexy prophecy
and uh trying to get clicks and stuff yeah i agree because he's trying to like appeal to everybody
that likes pink what what is this is he trying to be in the well's belly or something i mean what
what's going on with all this pink although he said that it was going to be completely dark
that wasn't even true like it was it was kind of like twilight where i was at was it really pitch
black where you were in austin or was it kind of more twilight seeming not pitch black it looks
like when you're like you know a kid and you're late going home yeah after biking around the
neighborhood all day and you know you get there like right before it's technically night we were
near a school and all the kids were just screaming they were just like but it seemed like it was happy
screams and then a bunch of people were shooting fireworks did you have fireworks where you were
at yeah some fireworks went off everyone did started screaming at uh zilker park i was like
right on the other side of the colorado river and so i could see all the office buildings and all
the lights were on you could see straight into them and it lasted you know it felt like only
like a minute that it was super dark but it was probably like four minutes but it was you know
it was impressive it was you know i wouldn't really care if i missed it much but it was you
know it's cool well i was nervous because there was a big dark cloud that literally covered it
maybe like two or three minutes before it was supposed to happen and and i was like really
like disappointed thinking like we were going to see it but it moved like maybe one minute before
the whole thing happened so it's still got a me and my family got to see it you know right out
there did you get to see the the solar eclipse man yeah i got to see it did you see did you see
like if you looked really close at it it said the baptist bias right in the middle right yes so that
was our that was our newest marketing scheme and clearly it worked so there you go you i didn't
even know there was a city named ninava so you know news to me i i think that when it comes to
this subject people try and draw connections with anything because it's fun i kind of like that
term it was it was funny there brian the sexy prophecy but you know that's that's really what
it is in the sense that trying to grasp at anything possible to draw connections ultimately
with no with with extra biblical things like there's nothing in there that says when the
whale constellation is nine and you know or you know whatever whale constellation is nine
oh man again if you want to call in and ask this question two three one baptist we're talking about
the end times uh all kinds of different things i want to get to one of the subjects you brought up
you know in in your idea of like the synagogue of satan but before we get there i think we have one
more clip maybe that we could show uh in relation to the pre-trib view versus the post-trib views
from robert breaker uh i want to see if we can play just a little bit of this because this guy
is actually pretty popular online he has a pretty big youtube following i think he uh didn't he
predict the coming of christ like multiple times already and like fail or something like that i'm
unaware i can't confirm or deny that i think i think we'd have to fact check that yeah fact
check that on me but i'm pretty sure this guy has already even predicted the return a couple times
brian are you familiar with him no no i've never heard of him okay he's the online church so
maybe this is the white horse all right we'll play it i do not see any types of a mid-trib rapture
i do not see any types in the bible of a post-trib rapture matter of fact if there was a post-trib
rapture in the bible i would be a very angry person i think i'd give god a piece of my mind
when i got to heaven because why would he let me go through the tribulation and then not get to
enjoy the millennial kingdom in my natural body why would i get changed into a glorified body
and not get to enjoy being married for a thousand years what what is what why would that no it
doesn't make sense the only thing that makes sense is that christ returns for his bride takes her out
while the earth enjoys their little kingdom under the antichrist and then god pours his wrath out
on them and then we come back with jesus and in a thousand years in the millennium we enjoy the
earth that makes sense it doesn't make sense that god would give his bride to the antichrist
and let him have her first that makes no sense i don't even isn't this guy pre-trib yeah how in
the world if he gets raptured before all of that is that not the same concept as what he just
described is on the post-trib he's like well i would then oh i guess he's saying because he's
gonna die in his opinion if it's post-trib he's gonna somehow die and not get raptured or something
i don't know presumably but it like he said if he said he's not going to go through the
millennial reign in his natural body but if it's pre-trib he's not going to go through with the
military's natural body either so i'm like what's the point yeah i don't get his point either plus
why would you be married for a thousand years like you're not going to live a thousand years
are you necessarily i don't i mean obviously the bible does give allusion to people living longer
longer but a thousand years but again that guy already looks like he's on the on the back nine
so i don't really know that he has a thousand years left in him let's get brian's reaction
yeah i was just going to comment on that like i don't see how you would live a thousand years
in your unglorified body i don't really understand that i feel like i have seen that guy before now
that the video went up but i didn't know what his name was but robert uh yeah i mean robert
breaker right right right uh i'll uh i'll go check him out but uh you know he's probably a good guy
we probably agree on a lot of stuff that's the whole thing with some of the revelations some of
the end time stuff is that it's not a salvation issue necessarily you know how these events
unfold but i think it's good for us to study these things i was very interested in revelation and
daniel initially when i was coming to christ and that drew me in and then now i get to enjoy all
the fruits of the gospel and all the old testament but uh yeah i mean i i don't i don't see the
rapture happening before the tribulation i hate to break it to people that would be nice but
you gotta break it to breaker yeah you gotta break it to breaker we're gonna get broken
you know we're gonna go through some stuff and it might just be wishful thinking uh the whole
pre-trib uh rapture but well he says he's going to give his bride to the antichrist but even if
you're not pre-trib i'm not pre-trib but i still believe in a rapture not everyone's going to be
destroyed or martyred by the antichrist but haven't there been martyrs throughout all of history i
mean what is he what is he trying to really allude to again i think there's a lot of great people
that are pre-tribbed there's of course saved christians people that are going to go to heaven
that are wrong on end times eschatology yeah i i have a friend that's a great guy he preaches in
my church's pre-trib but i i do think that robert breaker has a lot of other issues so i don't know
that he's necessarily a great person to listen to on the bible at all um from my perspective he's
he's wrong on a lot that's just a specific uh clip where he's really wrong on the end times as well
but again end times eschatology is something that we all are kind of looking through a glass darkly
and so i you know i like being able to have open discussion i think that it'd be great if we could
if preachers would be willing to come on the show and discuss our their viewpoint let's hash it out
i just don't think that they want that kind of confrontation i don't think they want their views
to be scrutinized against our view because like the other guy said there is no verse
in the bible he had to bring up a bunch of stuff that's not really well he had the clever line of
if you don't believe in the rapture of the church then you're not in your bible but but here's the
thing about preachers specifically is they end up making everything in the bible in the end times
about the jews i mean that's pretty much their answered everything matthew 24 is about the jews
when we talk about these people in the book of revelation only the jews are going through this
but the bible does mention the jews in revelation what does it say about them ben refers to them as
the synagogue of satan okay but it doesn't seem like pre-tribbers ever bring that up and there's
a reason why it's because they pedestalize the jews in israel today well wouldn't it be a little
difficult to convince your congregation that the jews you've been talking about that are gonna get
saved are called the synagogue of satan is that kind of strange like hey the synagogue of satan
is gonna get saved seems incompatible pastor shelly like how does that really work seems
incompatible but we do know that zionism and the pre-trib rapture are very closely linked they're
connected yeah people you know i do know people like my father has never believed in the pre-trib
rapture at least while i've been alive yet he's he's been a very pro-zionist christian for a long
time um obviously i'm neither but you know i've never really been that zionist but it seems like
the pre-tribbers kind of have to be zionist in a sense to try and understand the scriptures here
um what is kind of your view here on on zionism and the synagogue of satan is that something
you see a lot of people talking about i had a few i had a few comments to say on that one uh i guess
for starters in my view of end time scenarios i don't see the third temple as being a necessary
thing i feel like the third temple is the body of christ and we are the stones of that body
and going back to jesus's life he came to fulfill this prophecy for the jews he came to find the
lost sheep of israel he wasn't yet gathering the gentiles he was had to first fulfill his rejection
by them in order to then have the gospel go to the world so going back to something we were
talking about earlier it would be an honor to be tortured by the antichrist uh all the great
martyrs of uh christiandom it would be an honor to be in their club and then going back to the
synagogue of satan so in jesus's time and during the time after a church of christians was a
synagogue that's where they met and so i don't necessarily think that the synagogue of satan
has to be pre-christianity jews worshiping because as we all know a lot of the first
christians that jesus was preaching to gathering the lost sheep so many hundreds and thousands
believed that he was the messiah and followed him so in my opinion the synagogue of satan could be
any number of religious houses and i in my personal view it's going to be a christian
house of worship we've just taken on for so long the idea of a cathedral or of a church and we
say church or an iglesia in spanish that root word of that being uh what's the root word of
iglesia it's like uh um well anyway so synagogue of satan don't necessarily think it has to be
the third temple or anything like that what do you think about that well when it when it talks in
matthew 24 uh in verse 15 and he says when you therefore shall see the abomination desolation
spoken of by daniel the prophet stand in the holy place how are you interpreting that i'm just kind
of curious because like i interpret that as him standing in the temple and but the temple has
been destroyed and it hasn't been and it's interesting that josephus wrote this jewish
roman historian he was i guess he was both roman and jewish but he observed the destruction you
know some of the end times prophecies i think it was an a um a way to sure the faith of christians
at that time was jesus's prophecies about the temple being destroyed and he said when you see
them circling about then you know it's time to go and to leave that city and the ones that stayed
were massacred and it's interesting that and uh sieged to death they starved and ate each other
it was horrible and josephus records that the roman soldiers went and surrounded the temple
surrounded jerusalem and then they left very interesting and jesus told them to watch for
when they encamped or surrounded the city excuse me i don't remember the bible verse but then that
would be the sign of the time to leave and a lot of them did leave a lot of christians did leave
at that time because they remembered his prophecy and then titus came back surrounded the city that
was the final one when they burned the temple the gold adorning all the instruments and everything
ran down in between the rocks of the temple according to josephus and the roman soldiers
literally took the stones apart to get the gold that had run down in between the cracks
uh very interesting not one stone left upon another and some people will argue oh that
that hasn't been fulfilled because of the foundation stones or certain blocks being there
that they're saying are part of the temple but i think it's a clear fulfillment of prophecy
jerusalem being destroyed in 70 ad or 71 hundred percent of that i do think that no stone has been
left unturned yeah i i of course agree with everything that you said as far as um the
fulfillment of titus fulfilling jesus christ prophecy of the temple being destroyed um i i
believe that a lot of matthew 24 is foreshadowing 70 ad specifically um but i also believe the bible
uses dual fulfillment or even triple fulfillment in senses where there's a type and a shadow of
something that's going to happen in the kind of the near future and then it also has a
in times significance as well um it's it's very clear that the antichrist has a kingdom
and that kingdom seems very clearly situated in jerusalem um the bible talks about obviously in
daniel the daily sacrifice being taken away uh to me it seems that the bible is kind of indicating
that the jews are going to go back to their blasphemous sacrifice and that what causes that
sacrifice to cease would be the messiah which we believe the messiah already came which is why we
have the cease the ceasing of that sacrifice but with the anti-christ if he's claiming to be the
messiah and the jews accept that then they would cease their sacrifice system and would worship
the specific the specific anti-christ there's a lot of isn't it pressure right now to build a temple
yes there is a lot of they're getting everything ready so that all is going on they you know the
heifers to dedicate that area but they're building the candlesticks and have all these
instruments in preparation but isn't it interesting that the sacrificial system never
really started up again like i never have heard of friends that go to uh synagogue on sabbath
doing a sacrifice so it's interesting like where where's the atonement that was what would atone
for sin there's the the yearly atonement as well yeah and it's very interesting that that
hasn't ever been fulfilled but for this question that you asked about because obviously we differ
about the daniel 70 weeks and without you know beating that horse to death um as you said earlier
about a different uh about elon musk or beat i don't remember he said beat the dog or something
but i would like to maybe take this take this time to point out some of the quotes from reformers so
instead of looking at this conversation as oh pastor shelly thinks this and uh brian thinks
this everyone needs to be studying this for themselves look at what all these different
people say it's not like pastor shelly or me or ben originated some of our views of the bible
because there's been conversations going on for hundreds of years about what all this means
and that's why i became super interested in what luther thought spurgeon john wesley about who the
man of sin was where was this um temple seated in the church of god is that what it said sorry what
was what was the matthew verse that mentions the uh matthew 24 15 talks about him standing in the
holy place and i also want to point out second thessalonians chapter two let no man deceive you
by any means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of
sin be revealed the son of petition who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called god
or that is worshiped so that he as god sitteth in the temple of god showing himself that he is god
indicating there's going to be a man of sin who sits in a temple a rebuilt temple yeah i think
that that verse does point to that but i'd love to use this as an exercise too so just as an
exercise and you know we tried elon musk does he fit this sure try an exercise of putting the pope
in that place here's uh anti-christ in his ten kingdoms by john wesley he's in an emphatic sense
the man of sin as he increases all measure of sin above measure and he is too properly styled the
son of perdition as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes you know you can just
study history of the holy roman church for that both of his opposers and of his followers he
exalted himself above that all that is called god so during all that time the pope had a monopoly
on what was god what could be seen as holy he could declare you to be a heretic claiming the
highest power and the highest honor claiming the prerogatives which belong to god alone so he
was going to interpret the scripture and give it to you and he is the vigor of christ and he is
standing in the place of christ so that's kind of how i you know i'm not dogmatic about it but how
i would broaden the application of the anti-christ to an extra jewish system i'm also perfectly
willing to exercise that same thought process with other candidates but whitecliff tendale luther
calvin kramer in the 17th century others the translators of the king james bible the men who
published the west minister and bablish uh baptist confessions of faith sir isaac newton
spurgeon these men among countless others all saw the office of the papacy as the antichrist
and that's from uh all roads lead to rome so that for me i'm not saying this to convince anyone
all i'm saying is like this has influenced my thought process on all these events you can't
look at this without studying history i think that it's definitely beneficial to just consider
what views exist and what views have existed throughout time you know a lot of these men
hold two positions that i certainly disagree with today so just because they may hold a specific
historical position i don't always necessarily say that that's right but i would say you know
when we talk about the anti-christ there's a verse that i thought of in first john 2
in verse 18 the bible says this little children it is the last time and as you have heard that
anti-christ shall come even now are there many anti-christ whereby we know that it is the last
time so the bible says of course there is a the anti-christ but then there's many anti-christ and
i think that it's very accurate to say that many popes have embodied that anti-christ spirit have
exhibited attributes that are similar and in character with the anti-christ but again i don't
believe that any of them were the anti-christ of course i don't think that that fits the revelation
model i believe the anti-christ is still coming that's what second thessalonians chapter two was
alluding to and again i think that it's impossible to have perfect hindsight when you're locked in
time obviously these men are dealing with scripture that they have right now and the the time that
they're dealing with and it's easy to point to the anti-christ of their day and say maybe this is the
guy but i think obviously from hindsight and having you know time on our side we can recognize okay
that guy embodied a lot of what an anti-christ is but wasn't the anti-christ mentioned of in 2nd
thessalonians chapter 2 mentioned of as the shadowing type in daniel matthew and alluded
to in revelation chapter 13 which receives a deadly mark this deadly wound comes back to life
and declares himself god where what would be the most blasphemous place on the earth to stand and
declare yourself god would be a temple saying that it's the temple of god so i do think that
that makes a lot of sense that that is what the bible is alluding to in the end times
what do you think about the former anti-christ popes ben do you have any problem with that or
that viewpoint no he's an anti-christ and there are many anti-christs just like the scripture says
i would say when it comes to the anti-christ i don't know i really i i shy away from even thinking of
candidates myself personally sure just because i really have no idea and i don't want to just
say something that's completely preposterous but a lot of people say he's going to be jewish i i've
kind of disagreed on that point i don't know if that's true or not i'm not sure but obviously
we're gonna have a debate on the red heifer in a in a few weeks great segue april 18th we're gonna
have a debate pastor roger amenez and i are going to debate against adam king and byron stinson
on specifically the red heifer and i i believe that my opponents in this specific debate
discussion believe that they're ushering in the messiah that's why they're so excited about this
red heifer and of course myself and pastor amenez would say that they're trying to usher in the
anti-christ himself but we got a nice uh poster here on the is the red heifer biblical we're
going to be talking about red heifers are they even mentioned in the bible talk about the daily
sacrifice talked about a possible third temple talk about the anti-christ talk about jews and
and everything else that's fun to talk about that's taboo uh it won't be on rumble i'm sorry won't be
on youtube i'm sorry it will be on rumble but that's because i'm not allowed on youtube yes
but this is why you know good information just isn't on youtube anymore right that's why you
got to go to info wars band.video sensor tv red pill tv you got red pill tv you gotta go to rumble
you gotta you gotta go find it in the dark web hey hell of a segue right there hell of a segue
you know ben ben shapiro is not the only person that can walk right into a promotional ad so
right the only problem for me is i don't get paid by any corporate sponsors so
you're getting spiritual bucks all right getting paid in spiritual bucks yeah and those are the
only uh currencies that matter yeah it's interesting why ben shapiro just hires a
bunch of catholics to work with him how does that how does that work seem to cause friction
lately didn't it well i think that they're they're pretty friendly towards each other
i don't think that candace is candace no she's not a catholic oh all right i believe that she's
married to a catholic but i think that she's more evangelical i don't do you know uh what
candace's religion is i'm pretty sure uh like she i mean actually i'm not going to speak
on that i have no idea yeah okay all i know is just trends of you know usually typically
people that i've known that marry and are one is you know one thing and one's catholic they'll
become catholic because it's more of a red line like hard hard line thing well but i have no idea
if it's surprising it would be surprising for a lady to marry a catholic and not be catholic
because typically i would think the wife would kind of follow in their husband's religion no
matter what religion even if you put apart catholicism but again i there was a debate i
believe between her husband and ali beth stuckey on specifically like dick like the differences
between protestantism and catholicism i believe like ali beth stuckey was representing like a
reformed baptist position maybe is kind of where she's at and then her husband was obviously
doing a catholic position and she was kind of like just a moderator or just like part of the
discussion i don't think that she was really even siding with her husband necessarily just
saying that he's really smart but i don't know i'm just interested i would be interested to
know what candace's positions really is on specifically uh christianity because i don't
know i've seen some old videos of her making fun of christianity so i have no idea if she even
believes what she believes i the i would love story was chance oh sorry sorry i was just gonna
say big stories april 18th debate make sure you tune in for that go ahead brian i was just going
to say i would love to encourage your audience to study uh reformation writers very interesting
study there's always um a way for different churches to better themselves right and it's
like even today we can look at churches and criticize them and it's a very very interesting
study to look at uh 15th century or 1500 1600 1700s all these reformers their criticisms of the
most popular church and then as they criticize each other like martin luther was a strong catholic
and he was probably a better catholic than most catholics and then he went to rome and saw the
hypocrisy just lavish living um like some of the descriptions of him seeing these parties and he
had a crisis of faith because he realized he was a part of a corrupt institution and it's not a dig
on the catholic church i'm just saying all the churches are going to be corrupt especially as
we get closer to the end times all the churches are in need of reproving all the churches are
in need of reforming and what how they reformed the church back then are what we're standing upon
now as baptists or presbyterians or whatever you are well i don't mind if you dig at the
catholic church because i abhorred the catholic church especially since in the 16th century of
the council of trent they basically made it clear they don't believe in the gospel at all they said
specifically that if you believe in faith alone that you're an anathema and they they killed
william tindale and they said in his sentencing first he maintains that faith alone justifies
well i believe that you know praise god that william tindale was willing to die on the hill of the
gospel uh secondly i believe the second charge against him was that he believed that all you
have to do is put your faith in the mercy offered in the gospel and you'd be saved and again
catholics were burning people at the stake for believing such things of course william
tindale was influential in bringing the bible into english allowing us to have the king james
bible we have today and i really appreciate a lot of these men i do think of course because they
were coming out of the catholic church a lot of them probably still had um some some levin that
they hadn't quite shaken off of and of course politically it was very difficult to say things
against the catholic church so i think a lot of times they maybe were a little soft on their
particular view so you know i do think there is some historical benefit in reading some of these
things or just figuring out what these people believe but generally i don't i don't like
you know calvin or uh wesley or many of these people's position i think they're wrong on a lot
of doctrine they have a lot of issues um that's why i have the baptist bias i'm not a protestant
i'm a baptist well one area where i feel like quotes can help would be when you're trying to
substantiate a particular scripture that's under attack and what i mean by this is many and not to
dive into the whole king james only issue but many would say that first john 5 7 doesn't belong in
the bible right many say the real ending of mark 16 does not belong in the bible and i do find it
interesting that you could find erinus of leon you can find some of these quotes of antiquity
that lend credence to the fact that these scriptures were there they were being used
and they were being preached from which helps to defend them from those who want to discredit or
invalidate them in our king james bible honestly i really have enjoyed this conversation someone
messaged in here how do we find your content brian and dot video and you've got a channel on there
scroll along there's tons of channels we need to get the baptist bias on bandah video i put
y'all's information to to the guy in charge of that last time and he kind of got back to me kind
of didn't but i think now i'll uh push them to to make that happen because if you're getting
censored out there then bandah video is the place for you it really is a great community of people
watching stuff there's all kinds of different christians on there i mean that's why i love
infowars it's a great platform for christians and for great patriots but it really has i feel like
god has raised it up specifically and withstood all of the attacks started bandah video after
youtube because a lot of this information would have been censored on youtube so just like you're
being censored on youtube christians need a good place they can go bandah video redpilled tv i
should have called it christpilled tv but i started it kind of in the beginning of my christian
revitalization wall i like the name i got stuck with the name it should be christpilled because
that's basically all the reports are about well you know it's funny i saw an owen schreuer clip
on this specific point he was talking about how he feels like podcasts like fresh and fit have
maybe been like a psyop to to take over the word red because it kind of used to mean red piled kind
of used to mean like you're aware of the truth and you understand what's going on in the political
sphere is that not what religious sphere and how a lot of people are trying to co-op that term
into what's the Manos fear or like being able to be a player and knowing how to you know manage all
these these you know women out there yeah I know what you mean it's kind of like it's kind of like
become like well I'm now a macho alpha male and I understand that women have you know these body
counts and I understand their value and I know how to play the game and it's like it's like I
guess their truth is only in like carnal ways of like taking advantage of women and it's just like
that's not really being red-pilled like from a more historical viewpoint. I agree like when you
probably came out with your channel and this term red pill is kind of the idea of like why know the
truth because let's trace the origin. The origin is coming from the matrix when he's offered the
red pill or the blue pill and the blue pill is to just stay in the system and be asleep at the wheel
and the red pill is to wake up and understand the truth about the reality of the world you live in.
Well we understand that Jesus Christ is the truth the way in the life and he says you should know
the truth and the truth shall make you free. You know it doesn't make you free getting in bondage
to fornication and horrors and all of the what the red pills trying to turn into that's not really
the red pill that's a fake pill and I thought it was great Owen's take on this was really good.
He handled himself well in that clip I think was on Twitter maybe I'll repost it on my Twitter
but you know that would be great to be on band.video we're walk we'll go on any platform
and we're just trying to bring our Baptist bias with us we actually got a website recently
baptistbias.com up and people can check it out it's a great way for people they don't know about us
because it's kind of hard of course the censorship machine loves to just ban you everywhere
and then they pretend like you're nobody and you got to appreciate pioneers like Alex who
gets banned from everything and then basically kind of had to reinvent himself build his own
platform and you know a lot of people are reaping the benefits of someone like Alex going out there
and pioneering a way to have a platform when no one else will give you one and to kind of build
your own system albeit it's on an infomercial read every five minutes but you know what hey
he figured out a way to get there and at the same time you know I think that Christians need to keep
innovating you know we shouldn't let censorship and being banned stop us from being creative stop
from putting stuff out there we can find a way to get people this information and even if we
didn't have the internet look the apostles didn't have the internet Christians haven't had the
internet the whole time we can still talk to the individual and I think that's where this is
important don't just stay only online I know a lot of people love watching podcasts and videos and
everything like that I like it too but you know open your Bible read your Bible when you run into
somebody open your Bible with them share with them what the Bible has to say and you know it you can
have a lot of great interactions with people in real life. I remember one of my co-workers a long
time ago he brought up 9/11 and I can't remember he was trying to explain to me how the gasoline
from the airplanes went down the shafts of the elevator and weakened the beams and that's what
caused them to slowly collapse and I just said hey just look up building seven. I said if you
want to know the truth about this issue just look up building seven and I didn't want to talk I
didn't want to argue and I didn't want to like cause work to be awkward so I just said I don't
really agree look at building seven. A couple weeks later he comes back to me he's like you're
totally right it was an inside job and like it was it was kind of cool to see someone actually
you know transform and so you know sometimes you just kind of have to put that bait out there a
little bit like hey look up this verse or you know hey check out this or whatever that wasn't
the good old days when youtube you could actually find cool stuff now now it's a little bit harder
but now you gotta go to rumble maybe now it's like hey check out red hill tv yeah check out
this video the band.tv yeah exactly and check out check out the band.tv video excuse me i botched
it i apologize band.video yeah we gotta use we gotta use the internet while we can because if
people are gonna in the future be killed for not taking the mark i doubt they're gonna be online
talking about the gospel well one thing i really like about alex jones too is his rants
i think those rants are fantastic i love the passion that's where you get it i have listened
to hours and hours and hours of alex jones and and frankly speaking i probably have
learned a little bit about you know from him on on just demonstrating that that passion and and
anger really righteous anger so i like alex in that way he always seems on like he like i've
never really watched him he's like low energy like i don't know how i don't know how he can just be
like high energy for four hours straight but the guy's got some leather lungs you say that for sure
oh yeah he's been doing it a long time it's the 30 year anniversary coming up here in the middle
of the month of info wars how long he's been doing it you know four hour show six days a week he's
he's a he's a pro and i think god's definitely using him to wake people up and as long as he
keeps info wars going hey actually to your viewers or wait you know what before i do that is there
any more like calls or comments i was kind of excited about the call yeah i don't i think we
had one more question let me see if i can find uh the question that someone had put in the chat
uh it was specifically do you think that the tribulation will be the greatest opportunity
to demonstrate faith in all history i i think so and i think that it's exciting to have that kind
of an opportunity i think what's cool is because you read about all these miracles like Daniel
um being delivered from the lion's den you see uh Shadrach Meshach and Abednego delivered from
the fiery furnace you you see kind of these these awesome events where men take bold stands and they
are delivered and i believe that since Daniel is a prophetic book that it's very likely that we could
see Christians doing the same thing as Shadrach Meshach and Abednego as Daniel where they take
bold stands they make known the mystery of the gospel they stand against the oppositions there
and then they're even raptured they're delivered they don't even actually get martyred of course
i do believe there will be a lot of faithful martyrs as well but i think it is an opportunity
to be in one of the greatest generation you know to ever live one of the greatest opportunities to
ever live um you know the bible has long periods of time where it's kind of silent on a particular
issue but if we end up being in the book of revelation that would be an honor what do you
think ben yeah the more the more oh sorry go ahead brian no good no the more people we tell about
these prophecies in revelation in the bible then the more people will be have that moment if things
start happening in their lifetime where they can go oh my i remember that he's that guy told me
that this was going to happen and i heard that sermon that this was going to happen so even
though judgment would be upon us at that time you're right it would it's going to be a powerful time
to witness and yeah i'd be honored to you know go through a test being thrown into a fiery furnace
where only the ropes burn you know and i'm there with christ protecting me the apostle paul wrote
and many of the brethren in the lord waxing confident by my bonds are much more bold to
speak the word without fear and i think that when you see christians who are willing to stand up
when the music is playing like daniel chapter three describes with shadrach mishach and abednego it
gives you that boldness that you can do the same thing and so yes i would say the tribulation
period for sure is going to be a time where christians can demonstrate their faith in
arguably the most powerful way being willing to preach the entire bible believe the entire bible
preach the word of god get people saved in the face of opposition in the face of an antichrist
who's going to think to change times and laws and make it illegal for us to do so absolutely
yeah well you know there's a book called the fox's book of martyrs and i'm not saying that this is
authoritative because we don't really know but if you read the first section of this book it's kind
of interesting because it's talking about the it's kind of in a chronology it's like in a timeline
so it's trying to talk about some of the first christians apart from christ that many of them
when they were confronted by the political powers who wanted to kill them for their beliefs
many times the leaders felt so much pressure to not martyr them or torture them or kill them
because of the people but then the christians would actually say like no you are going to
martyr me like they didn't want to be given grace or be spared they were like no you are
going to martyr me and they would they would kind of bend over backwards to try and give them a
way out and they wouldn't take it it kind of makes me think of you know Braveheart i'm sure a lot of
people have seen that scene but in the end part of Braveheart the guy's trying to offer him mercy
he keeps like saying like hey just you know we'll give you the mercy and he gives that last scream
right at the end just freedom and it is just to illustrate like he cares more about the principle
than he does the pain and you know that's that's an interesting level of boldness you know I don't
know that I would say God willing I would have that kind of boldness you never know what it's
going to be like until you're there but at the end of the day that would be really to me the
ultimate achievement as a as a Christian is to die for Christ to be a partaker of Christ's
sufferings and to see it to the end. I think obviously if you're an old man I mean I don't
know maybe that's easier to want to do at that point because you kind of feel like you've lived
your life. I think it'd be a much harder sacrifice as a young man um people that would be willing to
die. Do you have children? Yeah like someone like an Isaac you know who's being offered on the altar
by his father or chepta's daughter or you know. We know that this has happened and it's described
in Hebrews chapter 11. Yeah. Verse 35 and others were tortured not accepting deliverance that they
might obtain a better resurrection. Yeah so I mean again that is biblical whether or not those
stories in Vaca's Book of Martyrs are perfectly accurate who knows but it does seem like that is
a concept that's out there so I find it kind of interesting somebody wants to play our clip.
I guess I don't know should we play the Alex clip about the Collins or what? I say go for it.
Let's add a little comedy. All right let's see we got some calling problems.
We talked a lot about a lot of serious topics tonight. This is a break. If you have young
children you may plug their ears. All right go. Yes turn the radio off.
I'm sorry I love you Frank go ahead. Can you hear me? Yeah of course I can hear you.
I just want to tell you. John we're going to break here. When were you arrested?
Okay. Come again. John when were you arrested? It's like these guys are trolling him. I know.
You're such a blind faith when you're like all right we're going to go to collar jaw and it's like.
Well I've called in to the show twice to the Alex Jones show and I'm telling you
man it's a little nerve-racking because I want to be on the ball. First of all I don't want to get
screamed at but second you want to be on the ball you want to make sure you contribute something
and I remember the first time I called in to he went on this like epic rant about Obama or
something like that and then he's like all right let's go to Ben and it just felt like I wanted
to meet him I wanted to rant with him right there and I did and it was a lot of fun but yeah I can
see he does love when you scream if you just start off and say I want to hear your war cry and he
loves that yeah but hey here's here's two of his books anyone out there is interested in supporting
the info war and bandai video we have first the great uh resets which was his first one and then
the answer to their evil plan most likely devised by satan behind the scenes you have the great
awakening so aside from your bible this might be a nice in the evening great reset and hey
maybe you could get yourself a signed copy oh nice you see that oh there you go there you go
info war store.com have you read either of those books i have not yet but i might have to now
look at that he touched info war store.com alex jones i've used brain force it's pretty good
brain force plus you might need a little more i need it i need to pop one before every episode
yeah especially when you're drinking coke and eating mcdonald's yeah i need to make up for it
somehow right so your turbo force is way too strong it's crazy well my father-in-law loves
the info war store products as well he owns a bunch oh nice there's a lot of i mean there's
a lot of crossover obviously from that i've passed pastor steven aderson got to go on the
alex jones show at one point and promote uh some of his films i believe after the tribulation was
the film after the tribulation and also alex promoted new world little bible versions alex also promoted
new world little bible versions for us back in the day yeah so you know that's that's pretty cool
that there was some crossover there and uh i think a lot of people found pastor anderson from info
war specifically and that helped them to you know find the truth about the gospel to get saved to
be zealous about christianity to get the king james bible and to ultimately get the baptist bias
so and that's where you know we're coming from we want people to get the baptist bias
and we're trying to go out there in an ugly world a dark world and bring some of the light with us
which is the scripture you know we talked about an interesting subject tonight the end times prophecy
of course there's differing views out there the bible shines through though as the truth we always
want to trust the bible no matter what opinion that we have we always want to be willing to
change our mind i thought this was a really cool discussion i really appreciate you coming on the
show brian do you have any last thoughts for us before we kind of wrap up i really appreciate
you guys having me and definitely king james bible all the way the new world order bible
translations is a great expose on where we get our bible from in those translations and funny
enough i found a really good mormon breakdown of the bible translations online i don't remember
what group it was but it was actually pretty solid information it synced up with stuff in the new
world order bible translations but i highly recommend everyone watch that documentary
because when you are witnessing to non-christians especially that's going to be a topic that comes
up is how can you trust the bible why would i trust the bible and then once someone gets over
that hump and they say okay god's real i want to go on this path then the question comes which
which is which bible translation is god capable of preserving his word and i think the answer is yes
amen well you know we we actually made a documentary about that it's like a 10 years
after new world order bible versions it's called the preserved bible you can actually watch it for
free online too if you just go to preservebible.com you can check it out uh brother ben and i worked
on this for a couple years and i was really pleased with the production value and it does
give you a little bit of that historicity coming from that reformation time period and what many
of those men did in order to get us the king james bible specifically and why it's different
than all the other bibles we believe the king james bible is the preserved bible and that
the other ones are really just kind of cheap imitations frauds and and they've got a lot of
problems with them what do you think about the preserved bible new world of bible versions
which is your favorite put me on the spot here i'm gonna say new world order bible versions has the
edge but i do think that they're both excellent films for sure and they come at this issue from
different perspectives anyway i think new world order bible versions focuses more on the fact
that the modern bible versions are the product of a globalist satanic conspiracy to corrupt god's
word and goes into great detail on how they differ from the king james version whereas the preserved
bible i think offers more of a scholarly take gives you the history timeline that you described
and i think more so highlights the doctrine of preservation and how king james onlyism actually
aligns with the doctrine of preservation and the modern versions do not and goes into detail on how
the king james is based on a lineage that goes all the way back to the original greek and hebrew
and the received text versus the critical text as well is a topic and subject matter that's covered
in a lot more detail in the preserved bible and if you liked nwo bible versions you will love
the preserved bible including some it i should say it also includes some returning characters
like joe lamp pastor anderson of course so i think uh definitely if you like the chat agrees with you
they say new world of bible for the win sorry pastor hey it's like my favorite documentary too
i love it i just i just wanted to make another film on the on the subject and you know chanister
adants pastor anderson said he liked preserve bible better yeah so there you go teach their own
right the grass is always greener on the other side but shout out to our audience thanks for
watching us live you put us on the front page we're uh i think in fifth place on the podcast
on the home page of rumble for you guys tuning in live also you want to tune in live next week we
really have to plug this make sure you're tuning in live because we're going to be doing a live
call in show with pastor stephen anderson it's going to be a q and a show so you can email us
questions at info at baptist bias.com or you can put them in the chat or you can call in
we're going to be prioritizing the call in questions the most but if you also want to
put one in the chat or even email us we're going to have a huge list of other questions that we're
going to bring on but it's going to be a free for all bring your questions these call in shows can
be a lot of fun but of course we want to have a live and active audience so you're going to want
to call in two three one baptist you want to check us live 8 p.m on tuesday night pastor anderson is
going to be uh taking calls we're going to be taking calls we want to get your questions
i'm excited about next week's show too next week's going to be a huge show and we want audience
participation so make sure you call in be involved next tuesday night 8 p.m central time q and a with
pastor steven anderson yeah and i really appreciate will you be answering some questions as well pastor
shelly won't yeah of course yeah we're all on the show it's just we we're obviously having a guest
too so if you want to ask our guests or us any kind of question we'll talk about anything we're
not afraid to talk about any subject whatsoever and and honestly the show flew by really quickly
i really enjoyed our previous discussion i enjoyed this one we'd love to have you come on again in
the future uh i i like your videos that you make there on red pill tv brother brian and i appreciate
you being willing to you're such a good sport to have any kind of conversation and talk about the
bible and i just love people that are zealous for the bible amen so thanks so much for coming i love
being on man i really appreciate it and you know jesus is the way truth and the life and eat your
bread and drink your water and if if jesus is your friend then talk to him talk you don't you don't
not talk to your friends right all right love you guys well thanks so much for coming on the show
that's going to pretty much do it for us i want to make sure i get all the right plugs in
uh if you want to join our email list we have a way if you go to baptis bias dot com slash join
you can give us your email we send out emails about the show also we have upcoming show this
tuesday at 8 p.m pastor steven anderson it's going to be a call-in show you want to check it out
i also want to mention that we're going to have a really epic debate it's coming up on april 18th
at 9 p.m so it's a little bit later it's a thursday and we're going to have a two-on-two
pastor roger amenez and myself are going to be debating byron stinson and adam king adam
king was actually on a pretty uh pretty popular debate uh with the legislature hosted a debate
it was between nick fuentes and vincent james against gavin mcginnis and adam king and i got
a lot of views on their rumble show uh so i'm i'm pretty excited about this show i think adam king
lost his own gavin walked out when adam king proclaimed basically said he would eliminate
catholicism would rather get rid of catholicism than islam it was a pretty epic uh debate a lot
of people checked it out um i don't know what kind of anticipation we're going to have
.
plo
.