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 The solar eclipse happened and we're still here. Maybe because, as it turns out, it was

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 just an eclipse, folks, okay? But that won't stop YouTube prophets from grasping at straws

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 for anything to get views and go viral. Perhaps next time they can count the number of cities

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 that fall in the eclipse path and that'll give us the final countdown to the rapture.

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 These guys are obviously smarter than Jesus Christ himself, who said, "But of that day

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 an hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only." Yet Prophecy

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 Guy 745, who recorded a TikTok in his mother's kitchen, apparently has it figured out.

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 Grifters may never run out of dates for the impending rapture, and a couple of examples

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 include these guys right here. Ronald Wineland, he predicted that Jesus would return on the

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 29th of September, 2011, and when that didn't happen, he moved the date to the 27th of May

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 2012, then he went to prison for tax evasion. Mark Blitz, going all the way back to 2008,

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 predicted Jesus would return on the September 28th, 2015 lunar eclipse to fulfill his blood

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 moon prophecy, or perhaps it was 2025. Look, at the end of the day, instead of relying

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 on social media sorcerers to tell us when we're finally in the end times, it would

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 be more prudent to read your Bible. That way you aren't suckered into the latest failed

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 rapture prediction. If there's another eclipse, don't cover your windows with tin foil or

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 hide in a closet and certainly avoid any free Kool-Aid. And if they ask you why you don't

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 want to go with them to the dark side of the moon, just let them know I have the Baptist

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 bias.

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 Thanks for joining us on the Baptist bias. We've got a great show for you tonight, and

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 it may even be the rapture, Ben. What do you think?

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 Could happen by the end of this broadcast, according to many preachers out there, and

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 the prevailing view amongst Baptists.

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 You know, obviously there's a lot of crazy things going on today, but at the same time,

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 we don't want to necessarily get all of our opinions from TikTok, do we?

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 No, definitely not. And the reality is, like you said, there's a plethora of opinion and

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 conjecture when it comes to this topic, and I think we might need to be extra careful,

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 Pastor Shelley, where we are getting our information from when it comes to Bible prophecy, because

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 everyone has an opinion on it.

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 Yeah, obviously there's a lot of views out there on "In Times," and they all seem to

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 be wrong. How can we have a good opinion on "In Times"?

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 I think we have to look at it through the lenses of Scripture, maybe with a Baptist

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 bias. What do you think about that?

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 You sound biased about that.

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 I do. I am. I have a King James bias, alright? I'm open about it. That's what you get on

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 this podcast, honesty about our bias.

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 Well, we have a great guest coming on the show, a repeat guest that we've had from a

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 previous season, Brian Wilson from Red Pill TV. He has a channel on band.video and he's

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 joining us today for an episode about the "In Times". Hey Brian, how's it going?

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 Good. How are you guys doing?

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 Great. Thanks for coming on again. We appreciate your time for what I think is going to be

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 a lively discussion.

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 Yeah, I'm glad to be back. I've been tuned in to the Baptist Bias. You all have had great

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 guests, Eliza Schaefer, Ken Hoeven, Pastor Anderson, and I'm looking forward to the Red

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 Heifer debate with Adam King. It should be very interesting. And I really like that Benolog

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 too. The most important thing is to read your Bible. And I don't remember any part of "In

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 Adam's Prophecy" talking about cities named after Nineveh being in the path of an eclipse.

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 But lots of people sent me that very same piece of information, like it would be the

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 missing puzzle piece or something. We have that clip. We have that clip. Maybe we'll

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 play it later on, but there's definitely some rumors going around YouTube and the internet

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 concerning the solar eclipse and the idea that, well, the path of totality is going

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 through Nineveh and maybe there's a special message there. We can talk about it later.

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 Well, I've read Revelation. When does Nineveh mention the book of Revelation?

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 Never. You have Sodom and Egypt. You have Babylon. You have these different areas mentioned

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 for sure, the holy city.

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 Well, it's just so funny to me that people get all excited just because it has a Bible

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 name or something. But it's kind of funny to me, like, who would want to name their

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 city Nineveh after reading the Bible? Like, who was like, you know what, we need a name

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 for a city. Nineveh sounds like a pretty good idea.

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 Yeah.

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 That's pretty funny. Nineveh does give me hope a little bit that there's chance for

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 a reprove or a reprive of our country because of their first repenting. You don't want

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 to be Nineveh the second time, but you might, you know, it wouldn't be so bad to be Nineveh

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 the first time.

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 Yeah, the Bible says, "And God saw their works that they turned from their evil way,

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 and God repented of the evil that he thought he would do unto them, and he did it not."

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 So, yeah, you're right about that.

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 Yeah, the king put sackcloth on his beast, so, you know.

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 That is funny.

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 Maybe we just put some sackcloth on Michelle Obama and we'll be good, you know?

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 Or Joe Biden will put sackcloth on his dogs that keep biting everybody.

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 That'll finally fix everything we have going on in our country.

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 Well, I do want to play some clips, and to get started, I want to play a clip of yours

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 from one of your more recent episodes, one of your shows kind of on this subject matter.

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 I want to see if we can play clip one.

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 Let's go ahead and play it.

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 Allow America to be destroyed as a divine judgment?

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 In the eighth century BC, the prophet Jonah was instructed by God to go preach a message

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 of rebuke and repentance to the people of the city of Nineveh.

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 They were said to be wicked, idolatrous, and violent, often skinning alive their prisoners

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 of war.

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 Through Jonah, God prophesied that the city would be overthrown in forty days if they

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 didn't repent of their wicked ways.

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 This was a conditional prophecy, and it did not come into fruition because the people

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 of Nineveh truly did repent and saved their land from God's divine judgment.

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 Even the king repented, and by faith believed God and his prophet Jonah.

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 More than 120,000 people in his kingdom were saved by grace.

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 So the question for us today is, can we save America from our own divine judgment?

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 This country is a gift from God, and He can choose to allow it to be taken away if we

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 don't obey His laws and neglect the righteous path.

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 About two centuries later, Nineveh returned to its old, evil ways, and the city was finally

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 destroyed, sacked and burned by the allied forces of the Persians, Medes, and Babylonians,

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 its people taken captive in a strange land.

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 The area was sparsely populated thereafter, and slowly the ancient ruins became buried

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 in the earth.

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 How much time can we buy for these United States through repentance, before we are judged,

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 trampled under the feet of our enemies, and buried beneath the earth that we have allowed

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 to become so cursed?

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 How many more generations can we secure through genuine repentance, preaching to our fellow

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 countrymen the need to change our evil ways and seek forgiveness from our Creator, pray

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 for America, and be like Jonah, a prophet of repentance to those outside the Church?

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 This is Brian Wilson with Infowars.com.

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 Well, talk about hitting the nail on the head, and he's bringing up Nineveh, and then, bam,

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 right there in your clip.

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 That's pretty funny.

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 You're just a prophet.

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 You were talking about Nineveh, and then now, all of a sudden, you know, the eclipse is

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 going through Nineveh.

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 I mean, what do you think about that?

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 Sometimes I do feel like Jonah.

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 I feel like I'm going to want to run away from going to preach.

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 I think that that's a common feeling among Christians, is feeling a little hesitant.

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 Like there was a pastor I was listening to talking about how he was asking for God, please

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 put someone in my path for me to witness to.

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 And then up the road on his walk, he saw someone, he goes, "Oh, not yet, not so soon."

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 And he tried to build up the courage to talk to this person as he got there, but he said

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 they looked like an angry grumpy person.

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 And so he said, "On the next lap around, I'll talk to them."

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 He went past them and on the next lap around, they weren't there anymore.

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 So sometimes I can relate to Jonah and I hope I can have the courage and faith that he had

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 when he finally went in Nineveh.

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 Yeah, I just hope I don't have to get swallowed by a whale before I decide to open up my mouth

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 and make known the mystery of the gospel.

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 Right.

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 Hopefully it doesn't go that far, that God doesn't have to put you through something

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 like that before you act, right?

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 It's kind of interesting how Nineveh seems to be, it kind of plays both sides of the

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 angle here.

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 You have the one version of the story where they get right with God and they're spared

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 and then the latter end where they're destroyed.

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 In the Book of Nahum, is what you're referring to there?

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 Yeah.

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 I think that's just reminiscent of every nation in every country that God is kind of long

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 suffering and constantly gives them opportunities to perpetuate their existence, but it can

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 eventually, time can run out and if the wrong generation comes to power and doesn't change

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 their ways, then it could just spell destruction and doom for a nation, a group of people or

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 a particular area.

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 Obviously, we see that with the Babylonians.

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 We see that with the Medo-Persian Empire, we see that with the Grecian Empire, we see

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 the Roman Empire, and arguably, we're going to see that again with the Babylonian, the

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 Mystery Babylon Empire, the final one, which I think is probably America.

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 What do you think, Ben?

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 I would agree with that.

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 Yeah.

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 I mean, for a little while I thought that it might be Jerusalem, but I found that position

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 to be inconsistent with several different scriptures.

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 I won't get into it now, but there were some things that I felt like just did not fit

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 that picture.

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 I think when it comes to Mystery Babylon, you are 100% correct.

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 I would say that the United States seems to fit.

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 And Pastor Shelley, what do you think about this?

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 Of course, we would all agree that Rome at one point was the seat of Mystery Babylon

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 or was considered Mystery Babylon.

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 How about the United States as sort of a revived Roman Empire?

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 So there's that connection too, right?

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 Well, there's definitely Roman influence.

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 I mean, I kind of brought this up about how our money, it's interesting, it has Latin

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 characters on the dollar bill.

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 And it's interesting why would they pick Latin, because it's not like in the founding of America,

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 people walking around speaking Latin, they were of course speaking English.

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 And so it's kind of eerie that they would pick such a language and such artistry and

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 everything else that kind of has symbolism tied to the Roman Empire.

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 I'm kind of curious where you're at here, Brian, what do you think about the idea of

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 America being the end times Babylon?

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 Is that something you've thought about before?

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 Oh, yes, definitely. And adding on to your comparison, I think the U.S. and Rome, even

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 the papacy have a lot of similarities. You're describing the use of Roman numerals. There's

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 also the Capitol building being a dome similar to over in Rome. And even in London, there's

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 a church there that has a dome with a needle or an obelisk nearby, just like in St. Peter's

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 and at the US Capitol. So I agree that there are Babylonian influences or images that the

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 US has of ancient Rome or even Holy Roman Empire. But sometimes I feel like the US is

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 more like an Egypt type, where, I mean, don't get me wrong, there's tons of comparisons

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 between the US and Rome. I mean, they're innumerable. But there's also those Egyptian influences

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 on architecture and things and on symbolism, like on the dollar bill having the pyramid.

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 But there was an interesting study I was reading about ancient Egypt having a culture of eating

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 all these different kinds of meat, high sugar diets, they had obesity problems. And I was

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 starting to think, this is very interesting. These are very US type problems that they have.

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 And in End Times Prophecy, there's also described a king of the south and a king of the north.

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 The king of the north being the Babylonian king and the king of the south being a pharaoh

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 Egyptian king. So I feel like this question ties directly into the beasts of Revelation.

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 First beast and then a second beast and I mean it depends like how far you want to go

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 down this rabbit trail right now or do you want to talk about some other things?

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 Well yeah, I don't mind where the conversation goes. I think the Egypt connections obviously

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 true too. I think what's kind of interesting is how the mystery Babylon is referenced as

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 being kind of the seventh of a particular system. And I believe those seven would be

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 number one, starting with Egypt, then the Assyrian kingdom, then the Babylonian, then

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 the Medo-Persian, then the Grecian, and then the Roman as the sixth. And then the seventh

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 would most likely be America. Again, that could be wrong. Obviously if times escapes

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 us and the Lord tarries for a long period of time, America could be destroyed, new nations,

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 the geography of the world could be completely different. But it seems like we're trying

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 to be the end times Babylon in my opinion. And I would assume that whatever was Babylon

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 would probably have a mixture of all of these particular influences, wouldn't even just

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 be limited to the Roman culture. But I think it would be realistic to also see the Egyptian

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 influence because it's that same spirits, that same Babylonian spirit that has migrated

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 its way throughout history as a one world government, one world leader. And I'm sure

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 since the Bible says there's no new thing under the sun, that their particular cultural

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 influences and lifestyle is very similar to what we see and experience today in a culture

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 that's very morally declining. We have so much wealth and prosperity. And really we

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 see this as a common thread throughout the Bible that when a nation has a lot of wealth,

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 then there's an increase in adultery, there's an increase in pagan worship, there's an increase

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 in just child sacrifice, there's an increase in sodomy. And really we kind of see that

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 with the land of Canaan as well, which isn't necessarily in this lineage, but just it's

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 kind of reminiscent of a lot of civilizations. I mean, what do you think about the Egyptian

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 influence in America? Do you think that that parlays with being Mystery Babylon? Do you

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 think that that's, what's your opinion, Ben?

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 Yeah, I would definitely agree that it is reminiscent of that Babylonian spirit. Egypt

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 always is symbolized in Scripture as something negative as well, and even worldliness. The

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 children of Israel, when they're in the wilderness, wanting to go back into Egypt is kind of a

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 picture of Christians wanting to go back into the world that they've been delivered from.

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 And so I think that the United States, obviously, this is a Captain Obvious moment right here,

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 definitely promotes that worldliness that I'm describing and sort of the vain materialism.

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 You look at Black Friday and you have people trampling over each other to get a half-price

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 toaster and things like that.

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 That sort of mentality exists in our country, unfortunately.

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 And one other point that I wanted to bring up in the discussion here, you had brought

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 up Revelation 17, you referenced them, verses 9 and 10, but in Revelation chapter 18, the

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 Bible says about Babylon, "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her

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 fornication and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her and the merchants

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 of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

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 And guys, I think that when it comes to the United States, it fits this bill perfectly

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 because what we're seeing described here is a nation that has global influence.

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 And here's what I think of.

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 First of all, we have military bases all over the world, but beyond that, it doesn't matter

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 where you go on this planet, you'll see a McDonald's, you'll see a KFC, you'll see

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 an American brand.

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 What are you guys' thoughts on that?

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 Yeah, that's true.

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 Yeah, I totally agree.

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 And kind of zooming out before we get into exactly who could be the beast of the first

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 beast, who could be the second beast, who could be Babylon.

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 This is all Satan's design.

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 So he's going to be using all the governments, all the powers that can be one of the one

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 power throughout history I often add into listing off powers throughout time is the

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 English Anglo Empire.

00:30:29.850 --> 00:30:32.210
 The sun never set on the British Empire.

00:30:32.210 --> 00:30:33.550
 They were all over the world.

00:30:33.550 --> 00:30:37.740
 Similar to how there's McDonald's all over the world, there was English colonies.

00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:43.770
 And similar to that, there was cathedrals built all over wherever Rome went through

00:30:43.770 --> 00:30:46.490
 the Spanish or whoever it was.

00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:54.550
 So I feel like between Babylon and Egypt, Satan is going to set up a dialectic between

00:30:54.550 --> 00:30:55.820
 these two.

00:30:55.820 --> 00:31:00.950
 Babylon was a political power, but it was also a religious power.

00:31:00.950 --> 00:31:09.890
 Like in Daniel's time, you had to bow down and worship the Nebuchadnezzar statue, whereas

00:31:09.890 --> 00:31:14.190
 Egypt is similar in having a worshipful pharaoh.

00:31:14.190 --> 00:31:16.390
 But in Egypt, you could worship whatever you wanted.

00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:22.630
 You could worship a frog, you could worship the sun, you could have all these many gods.

00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:26.650
 The only time that it became contentious, there was pharaohs that worshiped the one

00:31:26.650 --> 00:31:30.310
 true God after the Hebrews left.

00:31:30.310 --> 00:31:37.100
 So you can argue that there was influence from the Hebrews there in Goshen that maybe

00:31:37.100 --> 00:31:41.940
 they influenced culture there to bring people to worship the one true God.

00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:47.320
 We know that Egyptians left with Moses, the mixed multitudes, and so they were definitely

00:31:47.320 --> 00:31:53.670
 basically evangelizing in a funny way back then and bringing people into Christ's fold,

00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:55.780
 into God's fold.

00:31:55.780 --> 00:32:05.740
 But as far as your question to U.S.'s role in all of this, it's similar to Mark of the

00:32:05.740 --> 00:32:15.250
 Beast questions, like without a doubt Satan is going to use the power of the U.S. to torture,

00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:20.170
 to bring about destruction, kill, destroy.

00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:27.500
 It's just that when we get into the details, we can argue all day and all night about it.

00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:33.640
 And I've come a long way with my understanding of looking at prophecy.

00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.470
 I used to think that the dragon, oh, the red dragon, that must be China.

00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:39.960
 Well, that's Satan, okay.

00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.220
 Red dragon is not going to be China.

00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:47.330
 But still, there are some things that we surely can hang our hat on, like the Daniel prophecy

00:32:47.330 --> 00:32:55.340
 going through the vision of the dream, where it goes through Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece,

00:32:55.340 --> 00:32:57.070
 Rome.

00:32:57.070 --> 00:33:03.900
 And then I would argue that the ending feat of that statue of Daniel, the clay mixed with

00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:07.320
 iron, would be the Holy Roman Empire.

00:33:07.320 --> 00:33:10.310
 And a lot of the performers...

00:33:10.310 --> 00:33:16.690
 What do you think about a modern-day application of that, because it talks about how the clay

00:33:16.690 --> 00:33:22.260
 mixed with iron is being mingled with the seed of men?

00:33:22.260 --> 00:33:25.000
 The first thing I think of is...

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.490
 That's why I was going to bring up the reformers, is when they were studying this and what they

00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:30.150
 were coming up with.

00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:31.140
 You had all these...

00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:36.700
 The kingdoms of Rome, Western Rome, broken up into ten, and you had these families constantly

00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:43.840
 trying to intermarry with the other families to try and cleave together, to try and create

00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:49.460
 a unity in all these separate kingdoms, but it never really quite worked out that way.

00:33:49.460 --> 00:33:55.460
 And so I think of that, but when I think about the iron and clay of the feet of that statue

00:33:55.460 --> 00:33:57.100
 in Daniel.

00:33:57.100 --> 00:34:02.000
 And this is all, like everyone watching, you need to go read your Bible and see what you

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:02.990
 think about these things.

00:34:02.990 --> 00:34:06.070
 That's the only way you're really going to get a grasp on it.

00:34:06.070 --> 00:34:08.270
 Are these things salvation issues?

00:34:08.270 --> 00:34:14.240
 Is understanding what every symbol in Revelation and how it ties into Daniel, are these going

00:34:14.240 --> 00:34:16.050
 to ensure your salvation?

00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:17.690
 Of course not.

00:34:17.690 --> 00:34:23.970
 God is way more loving than that to judge you based on how you interpreted Revelation.

00:34:23.970 --> 00:34:30.360
 But I think God is going to use people like us who have an interest in this to try and

00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:35.360
 shed light, to try and get people interested in reading the Bible, get people interested

00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.780
 in God and how these prophecies came to be.

00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:42.770
 Like Daniel's vision was fulfilled and we look back at that now and are just kind of

00:34:42.770 --> 00:34:48.100
 like, oh, you know, it's obviously this, this, that and that, but it wasn't always so simple

00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:49.510
 to see.

00:34:49.510 --> 00:34:54.680
 And even the, I feel like I talked about this with you last time, but the, I won't, I won't

00:34:54.680 --> 00:35:00.410
 go into that if we mentioned it last time, but the reformers, a lot of them definitely

00:35:00.410 --> 00:35:07.320
 felt like the papacy because imagine in their time, like what you were saying, all the nations

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:13.290
 of the world drinking of the wine, I mean, from their view, that would have been the

00:35:13.290 --> 00:35:20.840
 Holy Roman Empire. That was this America-like power that we see today, but back then. This

00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:30.710
 super powerful group all over Africa, Asia, Philippines, setting up colonies, essentially,

00:35:30.710 --> 00:35:37.210
 but setting up churches there. And it's not all, so that becomes a very contentious issue

00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:44.110
 in itself. Was every cathedral that colonial Spain set up an evil world empire? No, some

00:35:44.110 --> 00:35:51.290
 cases, they're bringing the gospel to the world. So, God has a way of using even bad

00:35:51.290 --> 00:35:56.510
 things happening to push forward the gospel going to the world. And we know that before

00:35:56.510 --> 00:36:04.700
 the end times, that the gospel will have gone to the world. But before I don't want to dive

00:36:04.700 --> 00:36:10.630
 right into these, I have some quotes from some of the reformers about their thoughts

00:36:10.630 --> 00:36:16.630
 on the anti-Christ power. But I don't want to jump into that yet. Yeah, here's the thing.

00:36:16.630 --> 00:36:24.700
 Obviously, I think everyone kind of tries to superimpose their circumstances on scripture.

00:36:24.700 --> 00:36:29.430
 Like there's a tendency. So obviously, if I go back in time to, let's say World War

00:36:29.430 --> 00:36:34.330
 II, and we have Hitler, a lot of people are kind of thinking Hitler's the anti-Christ

00:36:34.330 --> 00:36:39.450
 or a lot of people are thinking that the end times is going to be shaping around World

00:36:39.450 --> 00:36:44.690
 War II specifically. And I could see how, you know, if we, if we go back to, I don't

00:36:44.690 --> 00:36:49.360
 know, the 15th, 16th, 17th century, somewhere in that timeline, and someone's talking about

00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:54.450
 the wine, they could think of that as maybe in the communion of the Catholic church. Now

00:36:54.450 --> 00:36:59.270
 they're all drinking that specific Eucharist. And there's a lot of ways you could try to

00:36:59.270 --> 00:37:06.090
 interpret these things. But at the same time, I think that in hindsight, we can have sometimes

00:37:06.090 --> 00:37:11.650
 a better perspective. I don't know that I always agree with end times from people of

00:37:11.650 --> 00:37:16.780
 the past. I think that because it was a lot harder for them to recognize, you know, things

00:37:16.780 --> 00:37:20.550
 that are going to change in the future, everybody kind of seems to think that the end times

00:37:20.550 --> 00:37:28.100
 is in their generation. And I get that we do the same thing. But I think that, you know,

00:37:28.100 --> 00:37:34.470
 as time goes on, it's more likely that we'll have a better prediction or a better idea

00:37:34.470 --> 00:37:38.860
 or understanding of the end times. I think, as we draw closer, it's just going to become

00:37:38.860 --> 00:37:44.670
 that much more apparent what these scriptures really mean. You know, I've kind of wondered

00:37:44.670 --> 00:37:50.170
 myself about the iron mixing of miry clay. And I've wondered, does this have something

00:37:50.170 --> 00:37:56.160
 to do with that many European countries and even America are being really kind of quote

00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:01.280
 invaded by a multitude of immigrants. And these immigrants, when they come into these

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:08.480
 countries, whether it be France, Germany, UK, even America, they typically do not actually

00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.680
 mix with the culture or the people there. They're staying in their own separate camps,

00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:19.400
 separate parts of the city, taking them over. And it's really weakened that particular nation.

00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:24.470
 That nation's partly strong and partly weak. That could just be a coincidence or just maybe

00:38:24.470 --> 00:38:31.880
 a secondary idea that's coming from the text. But I almost wonder if that's partly what's being

00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:37.100
 fulfilled potentially in that description. What do you think about this migration issue, Ben?

00:38:37.100 --> 00:38:43.320
 Do you think that's a possible interpretation of the mingling there? Yeah, I think that there are

00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:50.360
 obviously several different possible interpretations of that passage there in Daniel chapter 2,

00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:57.700
 specifically dealing with the ten toes of the statue mixed with miry clay etc. And that's

00:38:57.700 --> 00:39:02.490
 definitely one of them. You look at what's going on with, especially in Europe, some of these

00:39:02.490 --> 00:39:07.190
 migrants that are coming in that are not assimilating the Islamic refugees. You'll

00:39:07.190 --> 00:39:11.420
 get what's going on here domestically in the United States with our open border policies

00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:16.830
 leading to all kinds of all kinds of drugs and crime and criminals who are coming into this

00:39:16.830 --> 00:39:21.810
 country and not assimilating as well. So I would not be surprised if that's what it's pointing to.

00:39:21.810 --> 00:39:28.260
 I think that Brian had an interesting theory as well. A lot of this is up to conjecture because

00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:34.710
 it's not a clear verse, right? It's left up to interpretation and I think done so on purpose so

00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:39.900
 that, you know, we could speculate. But I do think it's important to note this because you had brought

00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:46.270
 up that different people in different time periods had their own views and their own applications

00:39:46.270 --> 00:39:52.800
 of eschatology and that's 100% accurate. But I think specifically when we're talking about

00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.800
 Mystery Babylon, I would say that if you were alive during the time of the Roman Empire,

00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:07.370
 it would be 100% accurate to claim Rome is Babylon. And when people draw those connections

00:40:07.370 --> 00:40:13.400
 between Revelation 17 and some of the verbiage there and the Catholic Church, that's great.

00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:19.860
 I agree with that. I would just say that in 2024, it's not Rome that is now the global

00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:26.030
 superpower over this planet. It's the United States of America. Yeah, I think the landscape,

00:40:26.030 --> 00:40:33.750
 least from a political perspective, it's undisputedly America. You could even argue

00:40:33.750 --> 00:40:39.220
 that America is a major influence even from a religious perspective because we've sent out

00:40:39.220 --> 00:40:45.750
 more missionaries from our country than virtually any other country and we've influenced them. Now,

00:40:45.750 --> 00:40:51.130
 it may not be from a specific denomination, but you can see from non-denominational churches,

00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:58.810
 Catholic churches, from Presbyterian, you could see from even Pentecostal, all kinds of people

00:40:58.810 --> 00:41:04.580
 being spread out and kind of a lot of people looking to America for spiritual guidance and

00:41:04.580 --> 00:41:09.350
 spiritual leadership. The problem is they're looking at a lot of false prophets when they do

00:41:09.350 --> 00:41:15.490
 so and I don't know that the false prophet is necessarily going to come from America.

00:41:15.490 --> 00:41:20.100
 I know I talked to a Catholic recently and he told me that the Pope is going to be the false

00:41:20.100 --> 00:41:25.330
 prophet and a Catholic said that yeah yeah he did and I was thinking well you know I can't say that

00:41:25.330 --> 00:41:30.510
 I disagree with that opinion like it's definitely plausible. What is your kind of idea on the false

00:41:30.510 --> 00:41:35.760
 prophet specifically Brian? Do you have any idea on what you think there? Well there was something

00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:41.090
 I wanted to address before but remind me about that so I'll probably forget. Yeah go for it. I

00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:48.800
 see the U.S. as historically becoming merged with the British Empire around World War I and II with

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:57.190
 the League of Nations and then the UN. So I automatically now from learning this hidden history

00:41:57.190 --> 00:42:05.220
 of new world order, UN censored new world order because there was a competing world government

00:42:05.220 --> 00:42:11.860
 system coming out of Germany, but they lost. So now we have an Anglo-American establishment. So

00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:20.540
 when I dabble with putting the U.S. into prophecy fulfillment, I automatically merge them

00:42:20.540 --> 00:42:25.050
 with the British Empire, Anglo-American establishment. That ties into Israel and

00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:31.060
 the Five Eyes, Australia, Canada. I guess New Zealand is one of the Five Eyes. It seems like

00:42:31.060 --> 00:42:36.080
 they should just be lumped in with Australia. But I know people from Australia and New Zealand

00:42:36.080 --> 00:42:45.560
 wouldn't appreciate that. But anyway, one thing for sure is that no matter who is the Babylon,

00:42:45.560 --> 00:42:51.350
 who is the new Babylon, it's a mystery Babylon because it's a mystery. Because Satan is behind

00:42:51.350 --> 00:42:55.320
 the scenes pulling the strings, making all these things happen. And he's the one

00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:02.210
 with principalities and powers in high places, bringing all of them together around that table

00:43:02.210 --> 00:43:08.990
 that we see in the prophetic future where they're all going to be sitting around this

00:43:08.990 --> 00:43:15.010
 one table and then eventually they're going to turn on that first beast, on that antichrist power.

00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:22.120
 And another thing we can rest our hat on, no matter who the miry, clay, and iron is,

00:43:22.120 --> 00:43:30.450
 a rock is going to come and destroy all of these things. So Satan can have his way with all these

00:43:30.450 --> 00:43:36.120
 powers and principalities, but it's going to be all for naught. Just like Christ dying on the cross

00:43:36.120 --> 00:43:41.860
 and rising again, he's going to come as a rock and destroy all these things by crushing the

00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:50.210
 toes of the giant statue. And your question was about the false prophets. Yes, there's so

00:43:50.210 --> 00:44:02.120
 many false prophets. I think you have the Matthew text about when they say he's out in the desert

00:44:02.120 --> 00:44:07.400
 or he's up in the mountain. Don't go to him. Christ already came. When he comes again,

00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.200
 he's going to be in the sky where everyone can see him all at the same time. He's not going to be

00:44:12.200 --> 00:44:19.100
 hidden in a cave or in some desert somewhere. So, I mean, this is something I run into a lot of.

00:44:19.100 --> 00:44:28.430
 If I don't agree with someone's take on something, I'm not going to automatically call them

00:44:28.430 --> 00:44:38.750
 a false prophet. But there's the potential there. I, in some ways, feel like this Pope Francis is a

00:44:38.750 --> 00:44:46.920
 false prophet. I personally just don't feel like he represents the vigor of Christ when he becomes

00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:54.130
 a political pope more than a Christ pope. Even calling yourself the vigor of Christ, I feel like,

00:44:54.130 --> 00:45:00.210
 is problematic. But then if you don't even try and act like Christ, that's pretty bad.

00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:09.310
 Now other things that I would label as troublesome without having to just call them straight up false

00:45:09.310 --> 00:45:17.690
 prophets, speaking in tongues. And as if this is a gift from the Holy Spirit to babble nonsense.

00:45:17.690 --> 00:45:25.970
 Speaking in tongues is a real thing. I've heard accounts of people miraculously being able to

00:45:25.970 --> 00:45:30.540
 speak to someone in another language that they did not know when it was pertaining to them

00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:39.450
 evangelizing. So that's what I would see speaking as tongues as and babbling nonsense

00:45:39.450 --> 00:45:46.250
 in a fit of joy or rage, I would label as a false prophecy.

00:45:46.250 --> 00:45:52.060
 I don't even know if it would classify as false prophecy. It's just toddler talk. It's just,

00:45:52.060 --> 00:45:58.200
 it's kind of gargly goop. But obviously, I agree with you. And you know, when we talk about false

00:45:58.200 --> 00:46:02.500
 prophets, there's false prophets, and then there's the false prophet. Just like the Bible says,

00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:08.050
 there's devils, and then there's the devil, or how we're the sons of God, like how there's

00:46:08.050 --> 00:46:14.430
 the sun. Yeah, yeah. So I think that when it comes to the false prophets, specifically,

00:46:14.430 --> 00:46:19.500
 the Pope is a great guess as to who could potentially be someone like that. Obviously,

00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:26.220
 the Jesus said to call no man father upon the earth and hope is kind of like saying Papa.

00:46:26.220 --> 00:46:31.960
 And really, it's just a blasphemous term to use spiritual father in any sense. Obviously,

00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.830
 we have carnal fathers, but to say someone's your spiritual father is blasphemous because

00:46:36.830 --> 00:46:41.170
 we only have one father, God the father. Obviously, the Catholics have a lot more

00:46:41.170 --> 00:46:48.020
 problems than that too. But I kind of was speculating in a sermon not that long ago

00:46:48.020 --> 00:46:51.890
 about the false prophet. And I think this is kind of an interesting idea.

00:46:51.890 --> 00:46:57.270
 I was wondering if it's possible that the false prophet's not even necessarily religious. Like

00:46:57.270 --> 00:47:04.670
 he's not necessarily a religious character at first, but then he kind of takes on a religious

00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:11.770
 persona with the antichrist. But more he's a character that has a megaphone. And I kind of

00:47:11.770 --> 00:47:16.530
 theorize, and I don't think this is necessarily true, but I kind of looked at the idea of

00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:22.740
 something like the X app. And with someone like Elon Musk, you know, if the pope goes out and says

00:47:22.740 --> 00:47:28.290
 something tomorrow, yeah, a lot of people will pay attention. But honestly, there's certain people

00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:34.620
 that have a lot more influence than the pope. And it seems like someone like an Elon Musk,

00:47:34.620 --> 00:47:40.720
 where they have a lot of power, they have a lot of influence, they have a big following,

00:47:40.720 --> 00:47:47.070
 they have a pretty big megaphone with their own particular application that if someone like that

00:47:47.070 --> 00:47:52.100
 were to say, you know, I'm not that religious, but now all of a sudden, this is God, this is the

00:47:52.100 --> 00:47:57.140
 Christ and we all need to follow them. And they're just kind of shouting that with their megaphone

00:47:57.140 --> 00:48:03.620
 application that I think that could fit scripture pretty well. Also, you know, and again, I'm not

00:48:03.620 --> 00:48:07.200
 trying to pick on Elon, but you know, the Bible says that the false prophet is going to be able

00:48:07.200 --> 00:48:13.410
 to do miracles like calling fire down from heaven. Well, it's pretty interesting that Elon is really

00:48:13.410 --> 00:48:20.270
 interested in having all these satellites set up kind of like a hive all over the entire earth.

00:48:20.270 --> 00:48:26.490
 And additionally, with Starlink, he's going to be able to broadcast the internet to pretty much

00:48:26.490 --> 00:48:31.000
 every square inch of the planet, which is another important prophecy because the Bible talks about

00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:37.220
 how when the two witnesses are lying dead in Jerusalem, that the whole world is going to be

00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:43.260
 able to see their dead bodies lying there. And we see that day approaching fast in the sense that

00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:47.390
 with internet, with smartphones and everything like that, pretty much the whole world can be

00:48:47.390 --> 00:48:54.290
 tuned in to a particular event as long as there's internet. So if we literally did solve that problem

00:48:54.290 --> 00:49:00.170
 to where there's internet everywhere, there's satellites that can potentially, whether that's

00:49:00.170 --> 00:49:04.160
 a supernatural thing or not, call fire down from heaven. And we have someone with a megaphone

00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:11.920
 saying, "This guy is God." I kind of wondered if maybe I'm wrong and it's not necessarily the pope,

00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:16.130
 it could be somebody that has political and technical influence. What do you think about that?

00:49:16.130 --> 00:49:19.390
 What did you think about that, Ben, when I kind of brought that up? Is that a possibility?

00:49:19.390 --> 00:49:24.020
 I think it's a possibility. I don't know about Elon himself, but I would say-

00:49:24.020 --> 00:49:25.250
 What about his son?

00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:26.030
 Yeah, I was going to say-

00:49:26.030 --> 00:49:27.600
 The XAE-12 or whatever?

00:49:27.600 --> 00:49:36.660
 Somebody that he's related to or one of his future progeny, his son or his son's son,

00:49:36.660 --> 00:49:42.690
 maybe second or third generation, could potentially fit the bill. But when you talk about

00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:48.910
 the false prophet not starting out as a religious figure, that also fits perfectly

00:49:48.910 --> 00:49:54.860
 with Scripture because if we look at the life of the Antichrist, he does start out as a political

00:49:54.860 --> 00:50:00.730
 figure. He does not start out as an inherent religious figure. It isn't until the midpoint

00:50:00.730 --> 00:50:07.640
 of Daniel's 70th week when he ends up getting hit with a deadly wound to the head and then he's

00:50:07.640 --> 00:50:12.170
 revived courtesy of the power of the devil. You have the abomination of desolation. I think that's

00:50:12.170 --> 00:50:22.170
 when he actually reveals himself as a religious figure and in particular a false messiah figure

00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:31.530
 where he sets up that image and he basically forces everyone to worship him as a false god.

00:50:31.530 --> 00:50:37.770
 Yeah in Daniel chapter 11 and again you could be alluding to the future antichrist saying verse

00:50:37.770 --> 00:50:44.110
 38 "but in his estate shall he honor the god of forces and a god whom his fathers knew not shall

00:50:44.110 --> 00:50:49.570
 he honor with gold and silver with precious stones and pleasant things." So it almost alludes to the

00:50:49.570 --> 00:50:56.210
 idea of this person not necessarily following in any specific religious historicity but almost coming

00:50:56.210 --> 00:51:03.490
 up with something new. I don't know what are your thoughts about a technical false prophet or something

00:51:03.490 --> 00:51:10.590
 like that? Is that something you think is possible? Yeah I definitely feel like the use of the word

00:51:10.590 --> 00:51:18.530
 prophecy, I mean prophet, is going to include that religious part and like what Ben said I do believe

00:51:18.530 --> 00:51:26.140
 that the antichrist power is both a political and religious power. I think we both, I think we

00:51:26.140 --> 00:51:33.410
 differ a little bit on the interpretation of Daniel 9.25 of that last week and how that

00:51:33.410 --> 00:51:42.030
 lays out but one thing I wanted to bring up when you're listing the things and distinguishing

00:51:42.030 --> 00:51:49.120
 between them, one thing I think is so important to distinguish between is the end times versus the

00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:59.470
 end of time. So we have the end times being a longer period than the end of time being when God

00:51:59.470 --> 00:52:06.090
 creates a new heaven and a new earth. But back to Elon Musk, it is worrisome that he wears this

00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:10.540
 Halloween costume with the upside down cross on the back and a little...

00:52:10.540 --> 00:52:11.010
 The Paphomet.

00:52:11.010 --> 00:52:17.170
 ...Paphomet on the front. It's a little worrisome that this man has deals with the defense

00:52:17.170 --> 00:52:23.590
 department and gets all this money from government that I guess would have been going to NASA or

00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:33.450
 whatever. And there is the potential for doing false miracle work by giving people sight,

00:52:33.450 --> 00:52:39.940
 giving them hearing or maybe other kinds of healing with brain chips.

00:52:39.940 --> 00:52:49.420
 So I think there's a huge potential in there for Musk to at least be a tool of Satan if not...

00:52:49.420 --> 00:52:54.450
 if he's not going to be the antichrist or whatever, he could at least be a false prophet

00:52:54.450 --> 00:52:59.000
 or a tool of Satan. And the great thing about conversations like this is that it makes me

00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:05.720
 feel a lot of relief. Like as long as the body of Christ is sort of looking in all these directions

00:53:05.720 --> 00:53:10.970
 trying to identify something that's going to come after true believers, then that puts us

00:53:10.970 --> 00:53:16.330
 on a pretty good footing for the future so long as we have the ability to communicate like this.

00:53:17.390 --> 00:53:22.340
 Hey, did you hear about this thing with Elon Musk? Did you hear what the Pope said? Did you hear what

00:53:22.340 --> 00:53:28.400
 this random ruler over here said? So it gives me a lot of relief to know that we're all out here

00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:37.110
 trying to figure this out and be on good footing before the end of time, before the end times,

00:53:37.110 --> 00:53:43.170
 excuse me, begins. And that would be the question that I wanted to throw to you guys. Do you feel

00:53:43.170 --> 00:53:53.750
 like we are in the end times? And how soon do you think the end of time would be? Well, I think

00:53:53.750 --> 00:54:00.200
 that, you know, obviously there is a distinguishment between some of the timelines that we're talking

00:54:00.200 --> 00:54:06.460
 about. I think sometimes people might loosely refer to the end times as just being like,

00:54:06.460 --> 00:54:14.140
 we're towards the end of human history as we know it. And I could see how people could say that. And

00:54:14.140 --> 00:54:19.400
 I could generally agree that it seems like we're nearing the end. So maybe we're in end times in

00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:24.260
 that sense. But if we're going to talk about Daniel's 70th week or the idea that there's

00:54:24.260 --> 00:54:30.310
 going to be a final seven years before the millennial reign of Christ, no, I do not believe

00:54:30.310 --> 00:54:40.190
 that we've entered into that seven year period. Or the book of Revelation brings up seven seals

00:54:40.190 --> 00:54:45.520
 that are going to be unleashed. I don't believe that any of those seals have been opened today.

00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:51.500
 Of course, the Bible does bring up how after those seven seals, there's going to be a thousand year

00:54:51.500 --> 00:54:55.480
 reign of Christ. He's going to rule and reign on the earth and is going to be peace for a thousand

00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:00.580
 years. Then the devil is going to be let loose one more time to gather the whole world together

00:55:00.580 --> 00:55:05.590
 to the battle of Gog and Magog upon which God will destroy them with fire from heaven

00:55:05.590 --> 00:55:10.040
 and will enter in the great white throne judgment. And then we'll have the new heavens and the new

00:55:10.040 --> 00:55:18.020
 earth. I don't even know that I would say that the new heavens and the new earth is the end of time

00:55:18.020 --> 00:55:24.110
 because, you know, I don't know that there's really any scripture that say that time is

00:55:24.110 --> 00:55:30.970
 going to completely end. It's just going to be forever. Like time will just go, we're in eternity

00:55:30.970 --> 00:55:35.800
 in a sense. So however that works, of course, I could never wrap my mind around something that's

00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:42.390
 eternal. But at the end, the end of time of this earth. Sure. Yeah. And I agree with, I agree with

00:55:42.390 --> 00:55:47.550
 that. So, you know, when it comes to the seven year period, some people say we're already in

00:55:47.550 --> 00:55:53.350
 the seventh year or the fifth seals has been open or we're in the sixth seal or stuff like that.

00:55:53.350 --> 00:56:01.950
 We're we're Nineveh. I mean, you know, have you heard these ideas of we're in these seals, Ben?

00:56:01.950 --> 00:56:06.980
 If I may interject real quick. Go for it, Brian. You go first and then I'll jump in after you. Go

00:56:06.980 --> 00:56:13.370
 ahead. Yeah, I was going to just throw out there that I don't necessarily feel like these seven

00:56:13.370 --> 00:56:21.220
 seals have been opened or anything like that. But just to the audience, there's a discussion out

00:56:21.220 --> 00:56:31.100
 there in the Christian body, you might say, of what the last seven days, day years of this Daniel

00:56:31.100 --> 00:56:39.500
 prophecy means. And I don't put it into the future. I believe that that seven-year period, the middle

00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:47.070
 of that week was Christ being crucified and making an end of sins through that. So that's just

00:56:47.070 --> 00:56:51.760
 something we don't have to have the debate of that right now. But I'm just saying as an audience

00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:56.580
 member, go look into it. See what you think. I lean on one side. I don't necessarily am dogmatic

00:56:56.580 --> 00:57:04.270
 about it. But that's what becomes the trouble of these discussions is being too dogmatic on

00:57:04.270 --> 00:57:11.550
 the seven seals, the seven trumpets. We have the seven churches, seven seals, excuse me, seven

00:57:11.550 --> 00:57:18.010
 churches, seven seals, seven trumpets. Then there's going to be this great controversy climax between

00:57:18.010 --> 00:57:25.230
 Christ and Satan, then the fall of Babylon, then the millennium, and then the new Jerusalem. And

00:57:25.230 --> 00:57:31.090
 it's interesting that I believe it's the book of Nahum that we were talking about earlier, where

00:57:31.090 --> 00:57:40.070
 Nineveh finally does fall due to its iniquity. It's structured similarly to Revelation,

00:57:40.070 --> 00:57:49.590
 where the structure is like a chiasm, where you have almost like equal parts on each side of this

00:57:49.590 --> 00:57:55.330
 structure as it goes through, not chronologically. But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

00:57:55.330 --> 00:57:59.770
 No, you're good. I want to get your thoughts. Do you kind of agree with how I labeled the end

00:57:59.770 --> 00:58:07.100
 times there, Ben? Yeah, I'm on the same page with you. I think that I do understand, Brian,

00:58:07.100 --> 00:58:13.650
 where you're coming from on that Daniel 927 interpretation. And I have heard that position

00:58:13.650 --> 00:58:21.260
 before. But to answer the question regarding the, are we in the end times, that question,

00:58:21.260 --> 00:58:28.340
 I would say no. And there's certain things that I have to see first before making that declaration.

00:58:28.340 --> 00:58:33.120
 First of all, I need to see a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. There isn't one right now. I need to

00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:38.690
 see daily sacrifices going on in that temple. There aren't any right now. And I also would say

00:58:38.690 --> 00:58:45.230
 that until the abomination of desolation occurs, which Brian, I realize maybe we have some

00:58:45.230 --> 00:58:49.900
 disagreement on this, that's okay. Still like you, all right? Everything's fine. But my point is,

00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:55.350
 we're not liberals here, okay? We don't demand ideological purity to come on our show. But

00:58:55.350 --> 00:58:59.800
 here's my point. Yeah, we wouldn't let your McDonald's trash come on the show.

00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:04.860
 Even Pastor Shelley and I have different views on stuff. He hates McDonald's. I kind of like it. But

00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:11.220
 anyway, I have to see that abomination of desolation before I can for sure definitively say

00:59:11.220 --> 00:59:17.700
 that we are in the end times. Well, I've talked with pre-Tribbers and they say, obviously they

00:59:17.700 --> 00:59:24.010
 disagree with me on end times, you know, eschatology. And I kind of asked one of my friends, I said,

00:59:24.010 --> 00:59:29.510
 okay, at what point will you agree with me and say it's post-Trib? And it's kind of like that

00:59:29.510 --> 00:59:35.560
 abomination of desolation event. If that happened, then you'd be like, okay, I guess you're right.

00:59:35.560 --> 00:59:42.570
 We weren't raptured out before that particular event. Yeah, I mean, the Bible says, Jesus Christ

00:59:42.570 --> 00:59:47.270
 himself said in the Olivet Discourse, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation

00:59:47.270 --> 00:59:51.580
 spoken of by Dana the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso read it, let him understand." So

00:59:51.580 --> 00:59:59.050
 clearly, that is a pivotal event. How could you believe that with the pre-trib? Because according

00:59:59.050 --> 01:00:05.280
 to them, no Christian will see the abomination desolation because they're all raptured out of

01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:11.400
 here. Well, if you hold to the pre-tribulation rapture position, your only option, I would think...

01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.870
 The Jews that randomly got saved in the rapture or something?

01:00:13.870 --> 01:00:20.410
 It's either Jews or you could... Or you have to claim that Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21

01:00:20.410 --> 01:00:26.590
 has nothing to do with the rapture at all. What is it? Just a preterist view? But that's

01:00:26.590 --> 01:00:30.790
 not pretty true. Yeah. Well, then you would have to claim that it's either already all completely

01:00:30.790 --> 01:00:37.000
 been fulfilled or that it's only for the Jews. Coldbergs and Steinbergs and stuff like that.

01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:42.890
 Okay. Well, that's kind of funny. You know, what's interesting to me is thinking about,

01:00:42.890 --> 01:00:49.880
 Elon, pull up that image because I think I sent it to you. I don't want to kick the dog anymore,

01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:56.540
 but obviously when you're wearing clothes like this, it kind of puts you thinking like what's

01:00:56.540 --> 01:01:00.010
 going on? What is the deal? What was the purpose of this year? And a lot of people like Elon. Look,

01:01:00.010 --> 01:01:04.840
 I kind of like Elon. I like what he's done with Twitter in the sense that it seems like he's

01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:10.640
 brought a little bit more freedom of speech. Yeah. And again, some bad things have still

01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:15.480
 happened on Twitter, and it's questionable if that's like Elon or if that's just minions that

01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:21.590
 work for him that are kind of subverting his policies. I don't know. I'm kind of glad. Twitter

01:01:21.590 --> 01:01:27.090
 actually put me back on today, so I have to give them a thumbs up. You know, Pastor Shelley's

01:01:27.090 --> 01:01:33.540
 account. You're back. Yeah, @pastorsteadfast was reinstated today. Do we think it was Elon in his

01:01:33.540 --> 01:01:38.000
 office that personally clicked the button? Yeah, for sure. He's a fan of the Baptist bias.

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:45.000
 Okay. He watches it for sure. And so that's probably why. But honestly, you know, the thing

01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:52.270
 is about his son though, that's really creepy to me is his his biological mother. Her name is like,

01:01:52.270 --> 01:01:58.450
 Grimes is like this artist's name or something. And she she has like a bunch of music videos.

01:01:58.450 --> 01:02:03.700
 There's one where she's like in like a garden, and she's got like a snake wrapped around her.

01:02:03.700 --> 01:02:08.080
 And then there's like another video where she's like this bloody fallen angel or something like

01:02:08.080 --> 01:02:13.180
 that. And she's, they specifically said they want to raise their son without gender,

01:02:13.180 --> 01:02:18.540
 which which is weird, of course. But if you know, when it talks about the Antichrist specifically,

01:02:18.540 --> 01:02:25.180
 he doesn't desire women. And you know, it's kind of like, you wonder with all this transgender

01:02:25.180 --> 01:02:32.860
 binary, you know, non binary parenting going out there, is that the perfect vehicle to raise

01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:41.000
 an Antichrist type child, obviously is going to be given access to unlimited wealth and power and

01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:46.820
 everything because of daddy. I mean, if you think about what Elon has, he could very well hand it

01:02:46.820 --> 01:02:54.210
 down to the next generation and they kind of inherit a fortune of power, influence and ability

01:02:54.210 --> 01:02:59.120
 to do things. So, you know, I'm not saying that his son is the Antichrist or the false prophet

01:02:59.120 --> 01:03:05.990
 or anything like that. But obviously, if I were to, in my own science fiction novel, try to figure

01:03:05.990 --> 01:03:11.170
 out what would be the kind of the piece of the puzzle here, it seems like his son could be someone

01:03:11.170 --> 01:03:17.410
 that's fitting that mold. What do you think about what I just said about him, his son? Is that kind

01:03:17.410 --> 01:03:25.280
 of perturbing or what do you think, Ben? Obviously, it's perturbing. It's weird. It's satanic.

01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:33.940
 I'm curious if Brian has a reaction to all that. I mean, these are strange people. They have

01:03:33.940 --> 01:03:43.950
 doctrines of devils, you might say. I don't have much to say about Musk and Grimes. I just find

01:03:43.950 --> 01:03:49.550
 them really weird. I was for a long time going to do a report about Grimes, but it just didn't feel

01:03:49.550 --> 01:03:53.850
 like it was that important. I don't know how significant these people are in the course of

01:03:54.640 --> 01:03:59.500
 history going forward. I think time will tell. I definitely didn't think he was going to be

01:03:59.500 --> 01:04:12.240
 running Twitter, and that's been a huge deal. And he's become very, like, just on an ex-spaceship

01:04:12.240 --> 01:04:19.030
 into the political world because of the implications of Twitter and uncensoring people.

01:04:19.030 --> 01:04:27.390
 And so we know that Satan's going to be using dialectics to control us. So I guess the

01:04:27.390 --> 01:04:37.310
 question I would ask, or a statement, would be maybe Musk is being used by Satan to kind of

01:04:37.310 --> 01:04:43.650
 gather Christians behind him, be like, "Yes, I'm going to give Baptist Bias their Twitter back,

01:04:43.650 --> 01:04:51.300
 and I'm going to be a right-wing ally. And so, therefore, all the Christians can trust me,"

01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:56.680
 type of thing. While the left simultaneously, you know, there's hit pieces on Musk all the time now,

01:04:56.680 --> 01:05:01.540
 just like there was with Jones and Trump. And so, he's kind of become politicized ever

01:05:01.540 --> 01:05:06.060
 since his Twitter involvement. So, I definitely think Satan's going to use all the pieces on the

01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:10.410
 table. You know, Satan's even infiltrating all the churches. So, of course, he's going to use

01:05:10.410 --> 01:05:16.160
 things in the secular world. Well, and even if Elon's not necessarily a bad guy, like he's evil

01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:20.530
 to the core or something, he could still be used by the devil. Obviously, Solomon was a great man

01:05:20.530 --> 01:05:25.860
 of God, but was used by the devil in a lot of ways towards the end of his life. And I've seen

01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:32.940
 Elon Musk on the Babylon Bee and I've seen him talking about Christianity and things and

01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:38.550
 he's definitely never been like blasphemous that I can remember, like openly blasphemous or anything.

01:05:38.550 --> 01:05:42.590
 Obviously, he's been like kind of an atheist and stuff like that, but I don't see him just,

01:05:42.590 --> 01:05:48.080
 you know, saying GD and like cursing God or Jesus. Maybe there's clips out there that I'm

01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:53.330
 ignorant of, but you know, I would hope that if given an encounter, someone that has the gospel

01:05:53.330 --> 01:05:57.390
 would share that with him. You know, I wouldn't back away from giving the gospel to Elon or

01:05:57.390 --> 01:06:02.090
 any of his kids or anything like that, but at the same time, I think that we have to be careful

01:06:02.090 --> 01:06:06.990
 that there could be some Trojan horses out there and we don't really know, you know, what these

01:06:06.990 --> 01:06:11.970
 people are like. It's easier for the camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for a

01:06:11.970 --> 01:06:18.780
 rich man to enter the kingdom of God. We know he's very, very, very rich. You know, he's autistic

01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:24.270
 though. So maybe like that would help him. Cause I feel like autistic people, they care more about

01:06:24.270 --> 01:06:29.640
 the truth. It's a lot harder for them to lie and things like that. Um, he's autistic. Yeah,

01:06:29.640 --> 01:06:35.220
 he has, he's like slightly on the spectrum, I believe. Um, but you know, another thing

01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:39.930
 that's interesting about him though, is it's like, he's not really rich for just being so awesome.

01:06:39.930 --> 01:06:43.740
 It's just like, he's gotten all these government handouts, like essentially a lot of the companies

01:06:43.740 --> 01:06:49.450
 and the organizations that he's built, it's just been with like a hand of the government,

01:06:49.450 --> 01:06:55.290
 kind of allowing him to have that influence and have that money. So obviously he is smart. I'm

01:06:55.290 --> 01:07:01.010
 not trying to take away from how smart he is, but at the same time, like, I don't think he's as much

01:07:01.010 --> 01:07:07.340
 the self-made man as he's kind of the bought and paid for man in a lot of ways too. So I definitely

01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:13.120
 think that we should be as Christians watching. And you know, even though I have a strong bias,

01:07:13.120 --> 01:07:18.030
 I have the Baptist bias, I want to always make sure that my viewpoints can be challenged with

01:07:18.030 --> 01:07:23.450
 scripture and with the Bible and that I'm willing to, you know, make sure that I'm,

01:07:23.450 --> 01:07:27.460
 I could change because I've changed a lot of things in my life. I've changed a lot of views.

01:07:27.460 --> 01:07:32.420
 I used to be pre-trib. And then I ended up realizing like, that's just not what the Bible

01:07:32.420 --> 01:07:38.890
 teaches. And so, you know, I've come to a position called post-trib pre-wrath. But, you know,

01:07:38.890 --> 01:07:43.160
 at the same time, there's a lot of people out there that just, while we can't know everything,

01:07:43.160 --> 01:07:48.060
 there's still a lot of things we can know for sure. And there's still a lot of people that are

01:07:48.060 --> 01:07:53.730
 giving ear to and listening to a lot of just junk. You have a couple of clips. I want to get to a

01:07:53.730 --> 01:07:57.410
 couple more clips before we get a little bit deeper in the conversation. But you have a clip

01:07:57.410 --> 01:08:04.160
 from clip five. It's Encounter Today TV. It's about the pre-trib rapture. Maybe it's a prediction,

01:08:04.160 --> 01:08:07.570
 but I want to play a couple of these clips. Yeah, it's just a guy who's trying to give

01:08:07.570 --> 01:08:12.170
 biblical evidence from his perspective on why the rapture is pre-trib. It's very short.

01:08:12.170 --> 01:08:16.930
 Yeah, let's just play clip five. Because there are people who say that there's no verse that

01:08:16.930 --> 01:08:21.320
 speaks to the rapture of the church. It's not in the Bible. Well, no, you're not in the Bible.

01:08:21.320 --> 01:08:26.670
 Because I'm going to give you two verses right here that prove the rapture's coming and you

01:08:26.670 --> 01:08:32.570
 want to be ready. Here it is. Revelation chapter three verse ten, "Because you have kept the word

01:08:32.570 --> 01:08:38.720
 of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all

01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:43.590
 the world, and to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly, hold fast,

01:08:43.590 --> 01:08:48.780
 which thou hast, that no man take your crown." He's going to keep us not from the tribulation,

01:08:48.780 --> 01:08:52.530
 from the hour of the tribulation. And then I want to speak to what you just said here

01:08:52.530 --> 01:08:58.200
 with first Thessalonians, which is such a blessing. Chapter one in verse ten, where he commands us to

01:08:58.200 --> 01:09:08.470
 wait for his son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivers us from the

01:09:08.470 --> 01:09:16.200
 wrath to come. Well, that's a pretty strong accusation that someone who's not pre-trib just

01:09:16.200 --> 01:09:22.580
 not in their Bible. But of course, first Thessalonians chapter number one agrees with

01:09:22.580 --> 01:09:28.230
 the post-trib pre-wrath position. So he's kind of straw manning his opposition there because

01:09:28.230 --> 01:09:33.700
 obviously I agree that I'm not going to go through the wrath of God, but the word wrath and tribulation

01:09:33.700 --> 01:09:39.120
 aren't interchangeable. We're experiencing tribulation today when Christians are being

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:43.790
 persecuted for their faith. There's tribulation all over the world. Tribulation is simply just trouble

01:09:43.790 --> 01:09:50.860
 or persecution for the cause of Christ, which has happened from inception. Abel was killed by his

01:09:50.860 --> 01:09:55.700
 brother Cain. That was tribulation. And additionally, we've seen tribulation throughout all of the Old

01:09:55.700 --> 01:10:00.090
 Testament and the New Testament. To say that we're not going to go through tribulation is really not

01:10:00.090 --> 01:10:04.560
 understanding scripture at all. To say that we're not going to go through wrath, well, that is

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:10.280
 biblical. Of course, the Bible says that we're not appointed unto wrath, but the wrath of God is very

01:10:10.280 --> 01:10:17.110
 clearly unleashed in the seal seven in the book of Revelation. It says in his wrath is come.

01:10:17.110 --> 01:10:21.760
 And then we have seven vile judgments. You brought up those sevens, which I thought was

01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:27.480
 interesting, the seven churches, and then there's seven seals, then there's seven trumpets. Well,

01:10:27.480 --> 01:10:36.410
 there's also seven vile judgments if you kind of pay attention to that as well. So to say that

01:10:36.410 --> 01:10:39.900
 the pre-trib rapture is there in Revelation chapter three, that was the only other verse

01:10:39.900 --> 01:10:44.570
 he brought up. It's such a stretch because he's talking to one church out of seven,

01:10:44.570 --> 01:10:47.940
 the church of Philadelphia. So I don't know if he's a dispensationalist or something,

01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:52.620
 probably going with we're in the Philadelphia age or something perhaps. But to say that's a

01:10:52.620 --> 01:10:59.190
 clear verse on a pre-trib rapture is just not being intellectually honest with the text.

01:10:59.190 --> 01:11:02.200
 But I feel like this is the prevailing view. I mean, do you find that most people you talk

01:11:02.200 --> 01:11:09.150
 to, Brian, are pre-trib or what do you kind of run into? No, most people that I talk to

01:11:09.150 --> 01:11:15.670
 are believing that we are going to go through a tribulation, that we are going to be like,

01:11:15.670 --> 01:11:31.230
 imagine the Israelites in Egypt, did they leave before the plagues happened or were they there

01:11:31.230 --> 01:11:38.450
 for the plagues? So I feel like there's types in the Bible that show us what things are going to

01:11:38.450 --> 01:11:48.220
 be like in the future. And I also wanted to bring up, here's something that might just be fun to

01:11:48.300 --> 01:11:56.990
 look at, because I've always assumed that this rapture moment would be God taking the righteous

01:11:56.990 --> 01:12:03.570
 away. But when you look at, which I pretty much believe, you know, I'm just saying if you want a

01:12:03.570 --> 01:12:10.090
 little something to chew on and think about, let me find this real quick, in the wheat and tears

01:12:10.090 --> 01:12:21.740
 parable in verse 30, I'm sorry I didn't write what chapter it was, but let both growth, yes, yes,

01:12:21.740 --> 01:12:27.920
 yes, what let both grow together until the harvest and in the time of the harvest I will say to the

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:34.980
 reapers gather ye together first the tears and bind them together in bundles to burn them but

01:12:34.980 --> 01:12:40.190
 gather the wheat into my barn so I just thought it was interesting that in that parable first the

01:12:40.190 --> 01:12:47.800
 tears are gathered so you know this left behind scenario where it's just a normal day there's no

01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:53.060
 tribulations going on and all the righteous disappear I think first of all you're going

01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:57.080
 to be going through the tribulations there's going to be people put to death you know it's

01:12:57.080 --> 01:13:03.390
 going to we'll know when we're there there's not any much of an argument for being in the tribulation

01:13:03.390 --> 01:13:07.880
 now at least you know not having the mark of the beast and all that but then I think it's an

01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:16.950
 interesting point to study in your bible those listening what if the people first taken were

01:13:16.950 --> 01:13:21.450
 actually the tears and not the weed I just think it's an interesting conversation that

01:13:21.450 --> 01:13:28.680
 usually just becomes assumed because of pop culture left behind series did a huge huge number on

01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:33.650
 everyone on that one but what do you think about that yeah this is definitely an interesting verse

01:13:33.650 --> 01:13:39.060
 and this has always been my interpretation and I could I could totally change my mind but I've

01:13:39.060 --> 01:13:44.900
 always interpreted this as first of all understanding the tears are reprobates they're

01:13:44.900 --> 01:13:50.770
 they're basically the seed of the devil they're people that have given up their chance to believe

01:13:50.770 --> 01:13:55.780
 on the lord jesus christ because they hate god so much and I think in the end times we see the the

01:13:55.780 --> 01:14:00.310
 obvious manifestation of this is by taking the mark of the beast the bible says that the people

01:14:00.310 --> 01:14:05.230
 who take the mark of the beast are going to be thrown in the lake of fire that they're they're

01:14:05.230 --> 01:14:11.580
 doomed and so if you kind of understand a timeline from our perspective you know I believe that the

01:14:11.580 --> 01:14:18.160
 abomination desolation happens in the middle part of a seven-year period it's the it's at the fifth

01:14:18.160 --> 01:14:24.760
 seal of the the seven seals that are in the book of revelation and what happens is the anti-crisis

01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:30.560
 killed given received a deadly wound he comes back to life declares himself god and then demands in

01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:35.060
 revelation chapter 13 all the world to receive a mark in their right hand or in their forehead

01:14:35.060 --> 01:14:41.650
 and I believe those who are taking that mark could be seen as those bundles being bound together and

01:14:41.650 --> 01:14:48.730
 gathered together as the minions of the antichrist in the antichrist kingdom receiving this mark and

01:14:48.730 --> 01:14:56.480
 that happens for a short space until there is the rapture where those who are alive and remain after

01:14:56.480 --> 01:15:02.250
 going through a great tribulation are caught up together with the lord Jesus Christ in the clouds

01:15:02.250 --> 01:15:07.480
 and so I think that what maybe it's possibly describing here is that gathering of the

01:15:07.480 --> 01:15:13.600
 reprobates with the mark of the beast and then he's gathering the wheat through the rapture

01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:18.180
 and after the rapture he's going to then pour out his wrath on this earth and he's going of course

01:15:18.180 --> 01:15:23.010
 throw all of those people which receive the mark into the lake of fire which burning the fire and

01:15:23.010 --> 01:15:28.520
 brimstone what do you think about that idea ben have you heard you probably heard me say that

01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:34.760
 before i don't know yeah i've heard you teach it this way another view i i think that for me it's

01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:41.210
 possible that this could actually be in reference to not that what you're saying is wrong or something

01:15:41.210 --> 01:15:46.540
 like that i think there's likely multiple interpretations to this parable and one that

01:15:46.540 --> 01:15:52.400
 i heard that i actually subscribed to myself is this idea that what we're talking about here in

01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:58.410
 matthew 13 is the transition from the millennial kingdom to the new heaven and new earth and

01:15:58.410 --> 01:16:05.230
 specifically the reason why i would say that is because you have in matthew 13 in verse 38 it

01:16:05.230 --> 01:16:11.780
 says the field is the world the good seed are the children of the kingdom but the tares are the

01:16:11.780 --> 01:16:19.350
 children of the wicked one and the thing is though verse 39 i'm sorry is what i really wanted to read

01:16:19.350 --> 01:16:24.290
 the enemy that sow them is the devil the harvest is the end of the world the thing is about that

01:16:24.290 --> 01:16:28.760
 phrase end of the world you could argue that that is talking about the rapture but i also think

01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:34.900
 there's evidence in scripture that the end is actually talking about the end of the millennium

01:16:34.900 --> 01:16:39.370
 in the beginning of the new heaven and new earth the bible in first corinthians 15 talks about this

01:16:39.370 --> 01:16:44.080
 and it says you know then cometh the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to the father

01:16:44.080 --> 01:16:50.540
 and we see that in verse 43 the bible says then shall the righteous shine forth at this as the son

01:16:50.540 --> 01:16:57.030
 in the kingdom of their father who hath ears to hear let him hear well the kingdom of their father

01:16:57.030 --> 01:17:00.520
 seems to be pointing to the new heaven and new earth when the father actually comes down and

01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:05.590
 dwells with mankind so for me the primary interpretation is actually that transition

01:17:05.590 --> 01:17:13.100
 from the millennium to the new heaven new earth which would explain why the tares are bound first

01:17:13.100 --> 01:17:18.970
 because we know that at Gog and Magog they're all gathered around Jerusalem and then a fire comes

01:17:18.970 --> 01:17:24.630
 down from heaven and devours them well i i don't know that i necessarily even see a difference

01:17:24.630 --> 01:17:29.620
 between what i'm saying and you're saying i'm saying that they the bundling process starts

01:17:29.620 --> 01:17:35.100
 with the mark of the beast and the end culmination is of course the millennial reign with you but

01:17:35.100 --> 01:17:39.970
 it could be and i could see how maybe you would say the gatherings maybe at the very beginning

01:17:39.970 --> 01:17:45.120
 of the millennial reign he comes down and then he's like hey where are those servants that said

01:17:45.120 --> 01:17:51.510
 this man shall not reign over us and they gather them but like what the bryans pointing out is it

01:17:51.510 --> 01:17:56.850
 kind of almost seems like there's a gathering before the rapture event so if that's true if

01:17:56.850 --> 01:18:01.930
 that's kind of what the text is alluding to then i think that my interpretation could possibly

01:18:01.930 --> 01:18:06.390
 answer all of that like kind of explain that whole transition there but we're on the same

01:18:06.390 --> 01:18:12.320
 page and the end of the world is that talking about the actual moment or just a general like

01:18:12.320 --> 01:18:18.430
 lump of time that's kind of just the general end i don't know yeah what do you think brian about

01:18:18.430 --> 01:18:23.020
 those ideas let's get brian's i love that like what y'all just said i feel like shined a lot of

01:18:23.020 --> 01:18:31.080
 light for me on on this parable it's just amazing how sure the word of god is that like these things

01:18:31.080 --> 01:18:37.660
 perfectly parallel things in other parts of the new testament and then you also have the amazing

01:18:37.660 --> 01:18:44.390
 parallels from old testament to new like the snake on the stick that when they're being bit by the

01:18:44.390 --> 01:18:51.230
 fiery serpents and if you look to it then you won't die um there's just so many amazing things

01:18:51.230 --> 01:18:59.150
 like that that gives me so much faith that this book was not just devised by humans i don't want

01:18:59.150 --> 01:19:05.390
 to go off on a tangent about that but i can't the most common thing i'll hear i guess i will go on

01:19:05.390 --> 01:19:12.250
 the tangent is people saying oh did you know that the egyptian uh these stories in egypt were

01:19:12.250 --> 01:19:18.030
 actually that's where they got the jesus story from as if satan is not behind the scenes trying

01:19:18.030 --> 01:19:23.600
 to create counterfeits not only for the antichrist counterfeit that's horseman that can do these

01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:28.760
 yeah exactly yeah well i mean here's the thing people that are saying that they didn't like

01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:33.920
 actually study the bible thoroughly and read it cover to cover and they don't even believe it

01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:40.510
 either so it's not like uh they really have a uh high level of standard that they're holding

01:19:40.510 --> 01:19:44.890
 themselves to a high level of scrutiny they're just like oh if you were if you were so learned

01:19:44.890 --> 01:19:49.030
 as i am you would realize this happened in egypt but it's like where's your sources what did you

01:19:49.030 --> 01:19:53.480
 read did you read the bible and it's like they didn't even read anything they're just quoting

01:19:53.480 --> 01:19:57.940
 some youtube video from an atheist or something like that but we are going to be taking a few

01:19:57.940 --> 01:20:05.560
 call-in questions if we have any we do have one already and i want to bring on mike from florida

01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:13.920
 he's got a question for us about the first seal uh hey mike how's it going can you hear us oh

01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:19.470
 we're i want to point out before we get my just went to you yeah i know oh that that's appropriate

01:20:19.470 --> 01:20:25.460
 with brian on the line i don't know if you got that reference brian but i want to say very just

01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:30.840
 quickly alex yeah when he the caller wouldn't talk that's like our favorite clip in our in

01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:36.120
 our in our studio we all we always say that all the time this conversation i think and other

01:20:36.120 --> 01:20:41.980
 ones that we've had especially in private between you and i pastor shelly it just highlights how

01:20:41.980 --> 01:20:47.110
 true it is that iron sharpens iron yeah and that's really the the point i wanted to make and you know

01:20:47.110 --> 01:20:51.400
 again we like bringing other people on the show and getting all our ideas and the truth is going

01:20:51.400 --> 01:20:56.800
 to win and i like that we have call ins we got a call in from mike from florida hey mike how's it

01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:03.930
 going hey pastor chile how you guys doing today doing great thanks for calling in thanks for uh

01:21:03.930 --> 01:21:08.410
 thanks for taking my call um i just had a question about the seals and i've been thinking about things

01:21:08.410 --> 01:21:15.610
 for a little while um does the first seal when it when it does it have to does it have to start

01:21:15.610 --> 01:21:21.190
 the three and a half year period and the only reason i'm asking that is because um it says that

01:21:21.190 --> 01:21:25.510
 um the first seal is a crown was given to him and he went forth conquering and to conquer

01:21:25.510 --> 01:21:31.080
 it doesn't specifically say that there's going to be war or or people being murdered then it does

01:21:31.080 --> 01:21:37.490
 though however like later on down in the other seals down after the uh i think a pale horse came

01:21:37.490 --> 01:21:42.750
 with death and what i'm always thinking about is that the internet has in my opinion has to play a

01:21:42.750 --> 01:21:48.120
 huge role in the end times because it's so revolutionary and like the internet has done

01:21:48.120 --> 01:21:54.830
 a really good job of like taking peace from the earth which is like the second seal um and i just

01:21:54.830 --> 01:21:59.160
 look at it like is the conquering and to conquer is that like the internet and the internet of

01:21:59.160 --> 01:22:05.730
 things like could that be like that's the way it kind of conquers and to conquer and to kind of

01:22:05.730 --> 01:22:12.800
 like move the battlefield to the whole earth and then after a certain tipping point maybe that then

01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:17.880
 it takes peace from the earth and it convinces people to to kill one another or am i totally

01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:24.810
 off base here well you know i think that when it comes to my view that there's like this last

01:22:24.810 --> 01:22:30.030
 seven year period of time i think it does seem logical and seems consistent with scripture that

01:22:30.030 --> 01:22:35.870
 the first seal being opened would be kind of kicking off that timeline when it comes to the

01:22:35.870 --> 01:22:42.850
 word conquer i think it definitely just the word itself alludes to the idea of some kind of violence

01:22:42.850 --> 01:22:50.730
 or some some type of taking over could that be like you said a different style of conquering i

01:22:50.730 --> 01:22:57.110
 think it could but the reason why i would say it's not is just because when you look at the other

01:22:57.110 --> 01:23:03.010
 seals and you look at what's going on on the earth you see the ramifications of worldwide war you see

01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:10.600
 the bloodshed you see you know famine and it seems like all these things very easily roll into one

01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:16.890
 another in the sense that when there is worldwide you know war then there is going to be a higher

01:23:16.890 --> 01:23:22.840
 likelihood of certain parts of the earth not getting food the supply lines being cut short

01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:29.340
 um disruptions in the economy and everything that's going on so i think that it it really

01:23:29.340 --> 01:23:39.130
 makes a lot of sense that these things are going to unfold in a of course a pattern but at the same

01:23:39.130 --> 01:23:45.530
 time like the bible talks about death being the fourth beast the pale horse death and hell follows

01:23:45.530 --> 01:23:51.010
 with it um you know i no one's going to die from just watching the internet at least i hope not

01:23:51.010 --> 01:23:55.860
 it's like the rain or something like that but uh you know what is your take on this brian

01:23:55.860 --> 01:24:03.810
 yeah i'd love to address this one i i obviously don't ascribe to the fact that the 70 weeks of

01:24:03.810 --> 01:24:10.630
 daniel need to necessarily be involved with this timeline and i don't think that the end times

01:24:10.630 --> 01:24:16.910
 have to be begun for the seals to begin being opened all we know is that there's only one

01:24:16.910 --> 01:24:23.010
 capable of opening these seals and that's christ and i wanted to bring up before i tell you what i

01:24:23.010 --> 01:24:28.900
 think the white horse is i wanted to bring up what you said about the internet the first morse code

01:24:28.900 --> 01:24:34.660
 signal sent which you could argue is like the predecessor for telephone and internet was what

01:24:34.660 --> 01:24:42.050
 hath god wrought and i can't remember what old testament book that's from but i think it's very

01:24:42.050 --> 01:24:46.720
 interesting that that would be the first thing told when yes we see all the evil in the world

01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:54.140
 perpetuated through the internet music uh television all the horrible culture and

01:24:54.140 --> 01:25:01.920
 pornography demonic influence but the internet can also be used to spread the gospel it's almost

01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:08.810
 like two things are going to be heightened at once i can attest that i started watching different

01:25:08.810 --> 01:25:17.080
 pastors on youtube and that really was a huge huge almost just you can't take it away and have me be

01:25:17.080 --> 01:25:25.460
 on this path to christ without that so as long there's going to be evil increasing with internet

01:25:25.460 --> 01:25:32.920
 and also the gospel will quicken with the internet i think and i've fallen to the it's not a uncommon

01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:39.240
 thing i believe that the first horse a white horse christ was pure and white i believe that

01:25:39.240 --> 01:25:46.960
 this represents christ and he had a bow he didn't have arrows and he had a crown we know that christ

01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:53.800
 is king and he went forth conquering and to conquer with his bow and a bow could also be sort of

01:25:53.800 --> 01:26:00.570
 symbolic of a covenant like the rainbow after noah's ark and i think it's interesting that in

01:26:00.570 --> 01:26:06.620
 zechariah this is when i use old testament what is what are these horses what are these horses

01:26:06.620 --> 01:26:14.430
 all about in zechariah you also have horses that proceed from god the horses are coming

01:26:15.070 --> 01:26:24.080
 from where god is in zechariah eight uh nine ten of zechariah one talks about the horses and in

01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:28.360
 zechariah six so you could go look at that and there's different horses in there that are

01:26:28.360 --> 01:26:38.240
 kind of similar you got a red horse and um sorry uh anyway first horse red horses black horses

01:26:38.240 --> 01:26:44.900
 and they're proceeding these horses are coming from where god is so i think the horses don't

01:26:44.900 --> 01:26:50.170
 necessarily all have to be nefarious is my point with that but we also know that the angels hold

01:26:50.170 --> 01:26:56.340
 back the winds of strife so it doesn't necessarily mean that the horses or any of them are good or

01:26:56.340 --> 01:27:01.920
 bad but i hope that you know gives you something to look into there mr florida i forgot what your

01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:08.170
 name was mike mike mike i did can any good thing come out of florida no i'm just kidding i moved

01:27:08.170 --> 01:27:14.180
 here from florida exactly what's that supposed to mean well you know one thing i've never heard of

01:27:14.180 --> 01:27:21.180
 the idea of the white horse uh being christ what one thing i would i would say that doesn't seem

01:27:21.180 --> 01:27:27.670
 to fit to me is just how in revelation chapter four when john is being given this vision

01:27:27.670 --> 01:27:33.330
 specifically it says in verse number one come up hither and i will show thee things which must be

01:27:33.330 --> 01:27:39.710
 here after so in revelation chapter number four we start all of these prophecies and john is

01:27:39.710 --> 01:27:42.750
 seeing things that are not going to happen yet because he's told he's going to be seeing things

01:27:42.750 --> 01:27:47.290
 that are going to happen now like in the present and then things that are going to come after this

01:27:47.290 --> 01:27:50.880
 so john is being told in revelation four that the things he's going to see are going to happen

01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:56.310
 afterwards and then in revelation chapter six is where we pick up with the seals specifically

01:27:56.310 --> 01:28:02.700
 and we see the white horse and the one sitting on it so i think that it would kind of mess up the

01:28:02.700 --> 01:28:08.330
 chronology of christ if we were to put christ there because christ has already come well before the

01:28:08.330 --> 01:28:13.500
 book of revelation was ever written um obviously john is an apostle of the lord jesus christ and

01:28:13.500 --> 01:28:17.770
 jesus christ is this is the revelation of jesus christ and his glorified state that's what it

01:28:17.770 --> 01:28:25.260
 says in revelation chapter number one so i i do think that uh there could be other interpretations

01:28:25.260 --> 01:28:29.540
 of you know revelation that maybe i haven't thought of or i could i could change my mind

01:28:29.540 --> 01:28:34.520
 i've just i've never heard of it being christ that would be kind of a pushback from my perspective of

01:28:35.200 --> 01:28:41.130
 maybe that that doesn't seem to necessarily fit this vision i i do agree that horses are not

01:28:41.130 --> 01:28:44.600
 necessarily a negative creature they're a positive and a negative creature because

01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:50.860
 specifically jesus christ does definitely come back on a horse in the in part of revelation uh

01:28:50.860 --> 01:28:54.720
 when he conquers everybody at the battle of armageddon so there's there's no doubt that

01:28:54.720 --> 01:29:00.700
 the horse can be a positive and a negative creature um i just have always seen revelation

01:29:00.700 --> 01:29:06.830
 chapter six referring to uh specifically you know it's called the four horse of the apocalypse is

01:29:06.830 --> 01:29:12.520
 is one of the ways that people describe this as being the anti-christ um also you mentioned you

01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.710
 had the bow i think it's another indication of this being war what do you think ben do you think

01:29:16.710 --> 01:29:20.620
 this guy is is out for bloodshed do you think there's any way that this could be interpreted

01:29:20.620 --> 01:29:26.390
 as like a a peaceful takeover i would say that this is the anti-christ's rise to the top of the

01:29:26.390 --> 01:29:31.070
 new world order power structure which then enables them to start the world wars that we see

01:29:31.070 --> 01:29:38.200
 and the famines that we see with seals two three four and then leading up to the martyrdom

01:29:38.200 --> 01:29:44.720
 of seal number five and just to add to what you were saying revelation chapter 19 uh with regard

01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:51.730
 to the battle of armageddon jesus comes on a white horse no question there and so if revelation six

01:29:51.730 --> 01:29:57.270
 and the first seal is describing the anti-christ well that would fit because the anti-christ would

01:29:57.270 --> 01:30:04.820
 be counterfeiting yeah uh jesus christ there brian brought up though about the internet and how the

01:30:04.820 --> 01:30:09.990
 internet has played a huge role in his christian life and another point that i wanted to make there

01:30:09.990 --> 01:30:16.820
 is jesus christ he said that before the rapture has to happen that this gospel of the kingdom

01:30:16.820 --> 01:30:21.670
 must be preached basically he says that it shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto

01:30:21.670 --> 01:30:27.390
 all nations and then shall the end come and i think that you could argue maybe the internet is the

01:30:27.390 --> 01:30:33.710
 vehicle by which that occurs you have a reaction to that yeah no i think that's those are good

01:30:33.710 --> 01:30:41.440
 thoughts i was kind of curious mike what do you think about uh our answers here yeah um i obviously

01:30:41.440 --> 01:30:47.630
 it's open to a lot of open to all you guys are really learned on this stuff be way beyond me so

01:30:47.630 --> 01:30:52.730
 all this is it's fantastic the what the only reason why i thought the first thing that i thought i've

01:30:52.730 --> 01:31:01.110
 been thinking about for a while is because um on in revelation six four um it says um him that sat

01:31:01.110 --> 01:31:06.070
 there on to take peace from the earth and that they should kill one another and there was given

01:31:06.070 --> 01:31:11.430
 into him a great sword so it's like people are killing one another he kind of gives them the

01:31:11.430 --> 01:31:15.610
 power to kill each other or he gives like the influence it seems like that to me but then in

01:31:15.610 --> 01:31:22.860
 revelation chapter eight it's almost like and power was given to to them meaning uh death and hell

01:31:22.860 --> 01:31:29.780
 over the fourth part of to kill with the sword and with hunger and with death so in my head

01:31:29.780 --> 01:31:36.500
 when i was when i read it all the time i always think that is two separate like entities killing

01:31:36.500 --> 01:31:41.870
 the earth it's like the earth killing itself because of some sort of influence in the earlier

01:31:41.870 --> 01:31:47.510
 part of the chapter and then later on in the chapter it seems like the actual conqueror the

01:31:47.510 --> 01:31:53.410
 or the antichrist is the one actually killing with the sword um but i think i might be leaning

01:31:53.410 --> 01:31:58.940
 towards more what um pastor shelly says about that well i you know i preached a sermon on this

01:31:58.940 --> 01:32:03.790
 chapter recently you could check it out on our our rumble the steadfast rumble there's a revelation

01:32:03.790 --> 01:32:12.120
 four um i i do think the the white horse it may not have any kind of bloodshed with that specific

01:32:12.120 --> 01:32:18.420
 event like ben mentioned it's kind of like someone becoming the king of america and it says he has a

01:32:18.420 --> 01:32:23.420
 bow which would make sense because america fights a lot of wars from afar we have so much power with

01:32:23.420 --> 01:32:30.340
 missiles airstrikes we have just a uh the ability to shoot from afar as it were and you could say

01:32:30.340 --> 01:32:35.280
 that maybe the white crown or the white horse and the crown is just the idea of getting the power

01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:40.290
 to have control over this particular entity then the second horse the red horse is where do we see

01:32:40.290 --> 01:32:47.180
 the actual bloodshed and war begin and they could come very quickly very subsequently um when it

01:32:47.180 --> 01:32:50.880
 talks about them killing each other i just think that's in reference to war obviously people are

01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:57.120
 just killing each other in war and when you have massive worldwide war you're going to have people

01:32:57.120 --> 01:33:01.990
 dying from a lot of different things specifically you know it says that they're going to be killed

01:33:01.990 --> 01:33:07.570
 with the sword that's the direct warfare hunger that's due to the famine death could be pestilence

01:33:07.570 --> 01:33:10.760
 and plagues that are also brought and then beasts of the earth this is where i always think of

01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:17.620
 australia specifically and and just because they have like 50 million kangaroos and 28 million

01:33:17.620 --> 01:33:24.240
 people but honestly australia has some of those deadly spiders scorpions all kinds of snakes and

01:33:24.240 --> 01:33:28.710
 in fact you're not allowed to kill snakes over there because it's like taboo or something like

01:33:28.710 --> 01:33:33.570
 that but just imagine i mean i guarantee australia is bringing all kinds of food and imports if

01:33:33.570 --> 01:33:39.400
 there's a worldwide war those ships might start to cease to come over there could be a lot of

01:33:39.400 --> 01:33:44.570
 economic disturbance and now you have all these tick-tock beach babes wandering around in the

01:33:44.570 --> 01:33:49.330
 city without any food and they're running into all kinds of scorpions snakes kangaroos and

01:33:49.330 --> 01:33:53.600
 whatever i mean like you could see a lot of people is literally dying from the beasts of the earth

01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:58.990
 because the beasts also are looking for food they could be very perturbed by things that are going

01:33:58.990 --> 01:34:04.130
 on the bible talks about how there's signs in the sky i heard a lot of people say that their dogs

01:34:04.130 --> 01:34:08.900
 and animals freaked out when there was the eclipse recently and i even know that my toddler was kind

01:34:08.900 --> 01:34:13.510
 of kind of nervous about that but you know when there's earthquakes animals get all scared and

01:34:13.510 --> 01:34:19.090
 nervous and so i mean just with all kinds of crazy things going on there's going to be a lot

01:34:19.090 --> 01:34:24.390
 of opportunity for people to die in a multitude of ways and i think that's what we kind of see

01:34:24.390 --> 01:34:29.340
 and it makes sense i mean this is the this is the final works the final escalation of the fireworks

01:34:29.340 --> 01:34:35.850
 this is the end part of the show where all the fireworks are being shot off and one great event

01:34:35.850 --> 01:34:41.090
 and so i think this is a short period of time where we're going to see the most bloodshed

01:34:41.090 --> 01:34:47.310
 death destruction uh that we've ever seen before and it culminates even in the great tribulation

01:34:47.310 --> 01:34:53.980
 and then of course the appearing of the lord jesus christ finally so um no i really appreciate

01:34:53.980 --> 01:34:57.960
 your quest question do you have any uh last things you want to say there mike before we let you go

01:34:57.960 --> 01:35:03.370
 that's it just thank you guys and god bless you thank you keep keep florida sane over there okay

01:35:03.370 --> 01:35:10.480
 you know pastor shelly oh go ahead mike no he's good we dropped him pastor shelly there's forces

01:35:10.480 --> 01:35:16.150
 today the ruling class today has the power to take peace from from earth we see it with the

01:35:16.150 --> 01:35:23.610
 constant warfare that we have that the united states engages in and the regime change well

01:35:23.610 --> 01:35:28.730
 look at how the supply lines got disturbed just through covid i mean that wasn't even worldwide

01:35:28.730 --> 01:35:34.180
 war that was just covid or whatever and we really haven't even recovered all of our supply lines

01:35:34.180 --> 01:35:39.570
 since then uh if you want to ask another question we we can take collins two three one baptist

01:35:39.570 --> 01:35:44.670
 you could call into the show you could put in a question into the chat sometimes we'll look at

01:35:44.670 --> 01:35:49.330
 some of the questions that you have in the chat we may ask one did you want to cover the solar

01:35:49.330 --> 01:35:55.390
 eclipse thing and yeah brian did you did you get nervous whenever the eclipse happened or you guys

01:35:55.390 --> 01:36:00.900
 could see it over there in austin couldn't you yeah i was at zilker park sending a live feedback

01:36:00.900 --> 01:36:07.930
 to the studio here and uh it was a pretty good crowd out there and it was i would say maybe

01:36:07.930 --> 01:36:13.450
 five times more impressive than i thought it would be how dark it got and yes these bats started

01:36:13.450 --> 01:36:19.000
 flying around and i thought it was nighttime so oh man yeah because there's a bunch of bats that

01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:23.020
 live in austin under the bridges and uh they just started flying out because they thought it was

01:36:23.020 --> 01:36:30.870
 nighttime and it was pretty pretty powerful but i wasn't necessarily concerned and basically that's

01:36:30.870 --> 01:36:39.490
 what it's turning into a bunch of jokers running around here yeah oh man but it was you know i

01:36:39.490 --> 01:36:45.300
 didn't think anything necessarily crazy was going to happen but i did suspect that occult you know

01:36:45.300 --> 01:36:52.600
 people that are very into astrology and stuff were going to maybe do some ceremony and secretly

01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:57.190
 or you know who knows what the heck's going on bohemian grow was not to hang out where you want

01:36:57.190 --> 01:37:04.630
 to hang out yesterday forever you're the one yeah you'll find out you're the one that's going to be

01:37:04.630 --> 01:37:11.640
 sacrificed let's see i think we have another clip uh or two some from some of these weirdos what do

01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:16.630
 we have the the big nick man tell us how you really feel go ahead well let's see the clip let's see

01:37:16.630 --> 01:37:22.520
 what this guy has to say yeah big nick on youtube here clip two on april 8th a once in a lifetime

01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:27.550
 solar eclipse is going to plunge certain parts of america into total darkness during the middle of

01:37:27.550 --> 01:37:32.980
 the day the news is even calling this an astronomical experience like no other the shocking part is this

01:37:32.980 --> 01:37:37.460
 eclipse is going to be passing through eight towns called ninova which is the city recorded in the

01:37:37.460 --> 01:37:42.010
 bible where the prophet jona warned them about the wrath of god to come this will also be taking

01:37:42.010 --> 01:37:46.880
 place under the constellation sedis which means the whale as many of you know the prophet jona

01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:51.430
 was swallowed by a whale before being spit onto the shore to go preach repentance to ninova

01:37:51.430 --> 01:37:57.020
 jesus says in matthew 16 4 a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall

01:37:57.020 --> 01:38:01.410
 be given to it except the sign of the prophet jona and he left them and departed we learn in

01:38:01.410 --> 01:38:06.600
 the very beginning of the bible that god created astronomical events in the sky to be signs to mark

01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:12.190
 sacred times genesis 114 says this and god said let there be lights in the vault of the sky to

01:38:12.190 --> 01:38:17.390
 separate the day from the night and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times and days and years

01:38:17.390 --> 01:38:23.260
 can this guy get a little more pink i mean i not enough pink i don't think he has enough pink in

01:38:23.260 --> 01:38:28.130
 his show i think there's another clip is that was that clip two or three i can't remember but

01:38:28.130 --> 01:38:32.690
 obviously the devil knows something that we don't i'm not saying that america is for sure mystery

01:38:32.690 --> 01:38:37.890
 babylon but there probably is a chance that it is considering that these people believe so in fact

01:38:37.890 --> 01:38:43.400
 america's history is shockingly founded off of babylonian witchcraft and babylonian god worship

01:38:43.400 --> 01:38:47.880
 even monumental buildings engraved in this country's history like the statue of liberty

01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:53.070
 is actually a satanic altar of the babylonian goddess ishtar now back to the first question

01:38:53.070 --> 01:38:58.030
 that the skeptics may have why would something like an eclipse indicate that this is a sign from

01:38:58.030 --> 01:39:03.060
 god many people don't know this about the biblical history of ninova but something similar happened

01:39:03.060 --> 01:39:07.220
 when jona preached judgment to them ancient history also shows that right before ninova

01:39:07.220 --> 01:39:12.340
 repented in the bible story of jona there was a total solar eclipse called the bursa gale eclipse

01:39:12.340 --> 01:39:17.370
 which was one of the astronomical phenomenas that caused an entire pagan city to repent from their

01:39:17.370 --> 01:39:22.250
 pagan practices and turn back to the true god yaweh this solar eclipse was also engraved in

01:39:22.250 --> 01:39:27.520
 ancient assyrian archaeological findings further verifying that an astronomical event took place

01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:32.880
 during this time america has abandoned god and fully embraced perverse secular values and this

01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:37.190
 eclipse very well may be a sign from the heavens that the doors for repentance are closing this

01:39:37.190 --> 01:39:41.910
 should be a wake-up call to repent of your sins and turn back to jesus before it's too late i love

01:39:41.910 --> 01:39:47.100
 america and i'm very proud to be a citizen here but let's just face the facts it's not surprising

01:39:47.100 --> 01:39:51.660
 that god is getting close to judging this country things that were all viewed as sin 10 years ago

01:39:51.660 --> 01:39:56.780
 are now being promoted as normal and this poisonous ideology that has destroyed the west is being

01:39:56.780 --> 01:40:01.570
 exported to nations around the world one of the reasons why the devil attacks america so much

01:40:01.570 --> 01:40:06.930
 with embracing sinful values is because he knows other countries viewed the united states as the

01:40:06.930 --> 01:40:11.800
 moral authority due to their financial success and freedoms that other countries don't have this

01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:16.920
 causes a negative psychological influence on other countries that are originally traditional to start

01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:23.480
 embracing progressive beliefs since they look up to america as a country wow i don't disagree with

01:40:23.480 --> 01:40:29.050
 some of the stuff there i mean he's talking about babalon and the united states he's such an annoying

01:40:29.050 --> 01:40:35.490
 cadence to his speech moral decay right obviously there's that aspect of it i'm not sure i buy

01:40:35.490 --> 01:40:40.970
 you find these carpet jockeys to you know put on the screen for us i'm not sure what that means but

01:40:40.970 --> 01:40:45.420
 he's like your cousin from another mother i heard well you could thank pastor mehia because pastor

01:40:45.420 --> 01:40:51.610
 mehia preached on this subject and he mentioned this guy and then i went and looked them up so

01:40:51.610 --> 01:40:55.680
 i don't buy the solar eclipse well you know it's kind of funny is like pastor Anderson brought

01:40:55.680 --> 01:41:00.700
 this up on our show about the timing of the Passover debunking good friday how christopher

01:41:00.700 --> 01:41:06.280
 columbus had actually tricked the native americans by saying god was mad at them and he knew about a

01:41:06.280 --> 01:41:10.980
 solar eclipse just because they had studied astronomy and so he basically told him about a

01:41:10.980 --> 01:41:14.010
 solar eclipse that was going to happen and then they saw it and it kind of freaked them out or

01:41:14.010 --> 01:41:19.650
 whatever but notice the native americans never really got right and got saved and or anything

01:41:19.650 --> 01:41:23.020
 like that so i don't i don't know what this guy's really trying to say it seems like he's just

01:41:23.020 --> 01:41:27.790
 saying stuff but he's not really connecting any actual dots of course i agree you're right some

01:41:27.790 --> 01:41:32.690
 of the things he said i think america probably is mystery babalon but i don't know what was the

01:41:32.690 --> 01:41:38.810
 point of these clips i feel like you had a point to them just to point out that there's a theory

01:41:38.810 --> 01:41:47.090
 out there online that the solar eclipse was a message by god that the united states is nearing

01:41:47.090 --> 01:41:52.650
 judgment and the fact that the totality went over these cities how about joe biden being our

01:41:52.650 --> 01:41:57.690
 president is do we need a bigger sign than that i'm just commute i'm just like i said i'm just

01:41:57.690 --> 01:42:03.020
 trying to tell you what they're saying is that it went over the the eclipse went over these cities

01:42:03.020 --> 01:42:08.990
 of ninova and so that points to the judgment of ninova that occurred in the bible and therefore

01:42:08.990 --> 01:42:14.470
 the united states is nearing judgment as a result and that's what the eclipse is trying to communicate

01:42:14.470 --> 01:42:18.350
 to us well again he points out to some things in the bible that are true obviously the bible does

01:42:18.350 --> 01:42:24.140
 talk about things being signs in the sky so i would i would never take away from the idea that

01:42:24.140 --> 01:42:29.230
 there couldn't be a sign in the sky but to say that it's this american city named ninova and

01:42:29.230 --> 01:42:34.410
 that's somehow tying us to ninova i just think that that's like pseudo intellectual it is funny

01:42:34.410 --> 01:42:38.150
 how one of his proof texts is a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign

01:42:38.150 --> 01:42:46.190
 that's kind of like ironic a little bit but what do you think brian oh i think there

01:42:46.190 --> 01:42:53.190
 was definitely truth and error mix there it starts off kind of painting this picture of the path and

01:42:53.190 --> 01:42:58.130
 all the ninova and the whale constellation and that's all very interesting i don't blame them

01:42:58.130 --> 01:43:05.550
 for cashing in on the eclipse frenzy it definitely was all over the place and then towards the end

01:43:05.550 --> 01:43:09.660
 of that second clip it's like yeah like what you're saying like i don't necessarily disagree with

01:43:09.660 --> 01:43:16.140
 uh stuff he was mentioning that we have a culture that has problems and we need to repent and

01:43:16.140 --> 01:43:21.450
 everything and that god will judge you know everybody including this country at some point

01:43:21.450 --> 01:43:29.580
 but yeah i just saw it as you know just salacious uh sexy prophecy kind of non-biblical sexy prophecy

01:43:29.580 --> 01:43:36.570
 and uh trying to get clicks and stuff yeah i agree because he's trying to like appeal to everybody

01:43:36.570 --> 01:43:42.530
 that likes pink what what is this is he trying to be in the well's belly or something i mean what

01:43:42.530 --> 01:43:46.650
 what's going on with all this pink although he said that it was going to be completely dark

01:43:46.650 --> 01:43:51.330
 that wasn't even true like it was it was kind of like twilight where i was at was it really pitch

01:43:51.330 --> 01:43:55.940
 black where you were in austin or was it kind of more twilight seeming not pitch black it looks

01:43:55.940 --> 01:44:01.480
 like when you're like you know a kid and you're late going home yeah after biking around the

01:44:01.480 --> 01:44:06.720
 neighborhood all day and you know you get there like right before it's technically night we were

01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:12.560
 near a school and all the kids were just screaming they were just like but it seemed like it was happy

01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:17.330
 screams and then a bunch of people were shooting fireworks did you have fireworks where you were

01:44:17.330 --> 01:44:23.500
 at yeah some fireworks went off everyone did started screaming at uh zilker park i was like

01:44:23.500 --> 01:44:28.040
 right on the other side of the colorado river and so i could see all the office buildings and all

01:44:28.040 --> 01:44:33.840
 the lights were on you could see straight into them and it lasted you know it felt like only

01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:38.170
 like a minute that it was super dark but it was probably like four minutes but it was you know

01:44:38.170 --> 01:44:43.340
 it was impressive it was you know i wouldn't really care if i missed it much but it was you

01:44:43.340 --> 01:44:48.840
 know it's cool well i was nervous because there was a big dark cloud that literally covered it

01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:54.440
 maybe like two or three minutes before it was supposed to happen and and i was like really

01:44:54.440 --> 01:44:58.940
 like disappointed thinking like we were going to see it but it moved like maybe one minute before

01:44:58.940 --> 01:45:03.510
 the whole thing happened so it's still got a me and my family got to see it you know right out

01:45:03.510 --> 01:45:08.120
 there did you get to see the the solar eclipse man yeah i got to see it did you see did you see

01:45:08.120 --> 01:45:13.530
 like if you looked really close at it it said the baptist bias right in the middle right yes so that

01:45:13.530 --> 01:45:21.010
 was our that was our newest marketing scheme and clearly it worked so there you go you i didn't

01:45:21.010 --> 01:45:26.430
 even know there was a city named ninava so you know news to me i i think that when it comes to

01:45:26.430 --> 01:45:34.790
 this subject people try and draw connections with anything because it's fun i kind of like that

01:45:34.790 --> 01:45:40.370
 term it was it was funny there brian the sexy prophecy but you know that's that's really what

01:45:40.370 --> 01:45:46.500
 it is in the sense that trying to grasp at anything possible to draw connections ultimately

01:45:46.500 --> 01:45:52.220
 with no with with extra biblical things like there's nothing in there that says when the

01:45:52.220 --> 01:45:57.710
 whale constellation is nine and you know or you know whatever whale constellation is nine

01:45:57.710 --> 01:46:03.920
 oh man again if you want to call in and ask this question two three one baptist we're talking about

01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:09.180
 the end times uh all kinds of different things i want to get to one of the subjects you brought up

01:46:09.180 --> 01:46:14.640
 you know in in your idea of like the synagogue of satan but before we get there i think we have one

01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:21.370
 more clip maybe that we could show uh in relation to the pre-trib view versus the post-trib views

01:46:21.370 --> 01:46:26.300
 from robert breaker uh i want to see if we can play just a little bit of this because this guy

01:46:26.300 --> 01:46:33.300
 is actually pretty popular online he has a pretty big youtube following i think he uh didn't he

01:46:33.300 --> 01:46:37.990
 predict the coming of christ like multiple times already and like fail or something like that i'm

01:46:37.990 --> 01:46:43.740
 unaware i can't confirm or deny that i think i think we'd have to fact check that yeah fact

01:46:43.740 --> 01:46:48.580
 check that on me but i'm pretty sure this guy has already even predicted the return a couple times

01:46:48.580 --> 01:46:54.090
 brian are you familiar with him no no i've never heard of him okay he's the online church so

01:46:54.090 --> 01:47:00.390
 maybe this is the white horse all right we'll play it i do not see any types of a mid-trib rapture

01:47:00.390 --> 01:47:07.560
 i do not see any types in the bible of a post-trib rapture matter of fact if there was a post-trib

01:47:07.560 --> 01:47:13.330
 rapture in the bible i would be a very angry person i think i'd give god a piece of my mind

01:47:13.330 --> 01:47:18.030
 when i got to heaven because why would he let me go through the tribulation and then not get to

01:47:18.030 --> 01:47:22.850
 enjoy the millennial kingdom in my natural body why would i get changed into a glorified body

01:47:22.850 --> 01:47:28.090
 and not get to enjoy being married for a thousand years what what is what why would that no it

01:47:28.090 --> 01:47:34.790
 doesn't make sense the only thing that makes sense is that christ returns for his bride takes her out

01:47:34.790 --> 01:47:41.660
 while the earth enjoys their little kingdom under the antichrist and then god pours his wrath out

01:47:41.660 --> 01:47:46.320
 on them and then we come back with jesus and in a thousand years in the millennium we enjoy the

01:47:46.320 --> 01:47:53.640
 earth that makes sense it doesn't make sense that god would give his bride to the antichrist

01:47:53.640 --> 01:48:02.120
 and let him have her first that makes no sense i don't even isn't this guy pre-trib yeah how in

01:48:02.120 --> 01:48:09.060
 the world if he gets raptured before all of that is that not the same concept as what he just

01:48:09.060 --> 01:48:14.070
 described is on the post-trib he's like well i would then oh i guess he's saying because he's

01:48:14.070 --> 01:48:19.200
 gonna die in his opinion if it's post-trib he's gonna somehow die and not get raptured or something

01:48:19.200 --> 01:48:23.990
 i don't know presumably but it like he said if he said he's not going to go through the

01:48:23.990 --> 01:48:28.110
 millennial reign in his natural body but if it's pre-trib he's not going to go through with the

01:48:28.110 --> 01:48:32.330
 military's natural body either so i'm like what's the point yeah i don't get his point either plus

01:48:32.330 --> 01:48:36.620
 why would you be married for a thousand years like you're not going to live a thousand years

01:48:36.620 --> 01:48:41.080
 are you necessarily i don't i mean obviously the bible does give allusion to people living longer

01:48:41.080 --> 01:48:46.130
 longer but a thousand years but again that guy already looks like he's on the on the back nine

01:48:46.130 --> 01:48:50.780
 so i don't really know that he has a thousand years left in him let's get brian's reaction

01:48:50.780 --> 01:48:56.000
 yeah i was just going to comment on that like i don't see how you would live a thousand years

01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:03.690
 in your unglorified body i don't really understand that i feel like i have seen that guy before now

01:49:03.690 --> 01:49:09.620
 that the video went up but i didn't know what his name was but robert uh yeah i mean robert

01:49:09.620 --> 01:49:15.610
 breaker right right right uh i'll uh i'll go check him out but uh you know he's probably a good guy

01:49:15.610 --> 01:49:19.730
 we probably agree on a lot of stuff that's the whole thing with some of the revelations some of

01:49:19.730 --> 01:49:26.010
 the end time stuff is that it's not a salvation issue necessarily you know how these events

01:49:26.010 --> 01:49:34.820
 unfold but i think it's good for us to study these things i was very interested in revelation and

01:49:34.820 --> 01:49:41.590
 daniel initially when i was coming to christ and that drew me in and then now i get to enjoy all

01:49:41.590 --> 01:49:49.060
 the fruits of the gospel and all the old testament but uh yeah i mean i i don't i don't see the

01:49:49.060 --> 01:49:53.930
 rapture happening before the tribulation i hate to break it to people that would be nice but

01:49:53.930 --> 01:50:01.670
 you gotta break it to breaker yeah you gotta break it to breaker we're gonna get broken

01:50:01.670 --> 01:50:07.760
 you know we're gonna go through some stuff and it might just be wishful thinking uh the whole

01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:15.400
 pre-trib uh rapture but well he says he's going to give his bride to the antichrist but even if

01:50:15.400 --> 01:50:20.620
 you're not pre-trib i'm not pre-trib but i still believe in a rapture not everyone's going to be

01:50:20.620 --> 01:50:26.960
 destroyed or martyred by the antichrist but haven't there been martyrs throughout all of history i

01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:32.440
 mean what is he what is he trying to really allude to again i think there's a lot of great people

01:50:32.440 --> 01:50:37.050
 that are pre-tribbed there's of course saved christians people that are going to go to heaven

01:50:37.050 --> 01:50:42.680
 that are wrong on end times eschatology yeah i i have a friend that's a great guy he preaches in

01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:48.360
 my church's pre-trib but i i do think that robert breaker has a lot of other issues so i don't know

01:50:48.360 --> 01:50:54.230
 that he's necessarily a great person to listen to on the bible at all um from my perspective he's

01:50:54.230 --> 01:51:00.780
 he's wrong on a lot that's just a specific uh clip where he's really wrong on the end times as well

01:51:00.780 --> 01:51:06.560
 but again end times eschatology is something that we all are kind of looking through a glass darkly

01:51:07.110 --> 01:51:11.640
 and so i you know i like being able to have open discussion i think that it'd be great if we could

01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:17.870
 if preachers would be willing to come on the show and discuss our their viewpoint let's hash it out

01:51:17.870 --> 01:51:22.250
 i just don't think that they want that kind of confrontation i don't think they want their views

01:51:22.250 --> 01:51:28.240
 to be scrutinized against our view because like the other guy said there is no verse

01:51:28.240 --> 01:51:32.700
 in the bible he had to bring up a bunch of stuff that's not really well he had the clever line of

01:51:32.700 --> 01:51:37.850
 if you don't believe in the rapture of the church then you're not in your bible but but here's the

01:51:37.850 --> 01:51:43.050
 thing about preachers specifically is they end up making everything in the bible in the end times

01:51:43.050 --> 01:51:50.460
 about the jews i mean that's pretty much their answered everything matthew 24 is about the jews

01:51:50.460 --> 01:51:56.100
 when we talk about these people in the book of revelation only the jews are going through this

01:51:56.100 --> 01:52:01.750
 but the bible does mention the jews in revelation what does it say about them ben refers to them as

01:52:01.750 --> 01:52:08.740
 the synagogue of satan okay but it doesn't seem like pre-tribbers ever bring that up and there's

01:52:08.740 --> 01:52:15.340
 a reason why it's because they pedestalize the jews in israel today well wouldn't it be a little

01:52:15.340 --> 01:52:19.550
 difficult to convince your congregation that the jews you've been talking about that are gonna get

01:52:19.550 --> 01:52:25.400
 saved are called the synagogue of satan is that kind of strange like hey the synagogue of satan

01:52:25.400 --> 01:52:30.970
 is gonna get saved seems incompatible pastor shelly like how does that really work seems

01:52:30.970 --> 01:52:36.870
 incompatible but we do know that zionism and the pre-trib rapture are very closely linked they're

01:52:36.870 --> 01:52:42.520
 connected yeah people you know i do know people like my father has never believed in the pre-trib

01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:48.610
 rapture at least while i've been alive yet he's he's been a very pro-zionist christian for a long

01:52:48.610 --> 01:52:57.620
 time um obviously i'm neither but you know i've never really been that zionist but it seems like

01:52:57.620 --> 01:53:03.790
 the pre-tribbers kind of have to be zionist in a sense to try and understand the scriptures here

01:53:03.790 --> 01:53:09.010
 um what is kind of your view here on on zionism and the synagogue of satan is that something

01:53:09.010 --> 01:53:15.630
 you see a lot of people talking about i had a few i had a few comments to say on that one uh i guess

01:53:15.630 --> 01:53:22.470
 for starters in my view of end time scenarios i don't see the third temple as being a necessary

01:53:22.470 --> 01:53:28.240
 thing i feel like the third temple is the body of christ and we are the stones of that body

01:53:28.240 --> 01:53:37.370
 and going back to jesus's life he came to fulfill this prophecy for the jews he came to find the

01:53:37.370 --> 01:53:46.530
 lost sheep of israel he wasn't yet gathering the gentiles he was had to first fulfill his rejection

01:53:46.530 --> 01:53:52.630
 by them in order to then have the gospel go to the world so going back to something we were

01:53:52.630 --> 01:54:00.220
 talking about earlier it would be an honor to be tortured by the antichrist uh all the great

01:54:00.220 --> 01:54:06.670
 martyrs of uh christiandom it would be an honor to be in their club and then going back to the

01:54:06.670 --> 01:54:16.090
 synagogue of satan so in jesus's time and during the time after a church of christians was a

01:54:16.090 --> 01:54:22.610
 synagogue that's where they met and so i don't necessarily think that the synagogue of satan

01:54:22.610 --> 01:54:30.580
 has to be pre-christianity jews worshiping because as we all know a lot of the first

01:54:30.580 --> 01:54:37.090
 christians that jesus was preaching to gathering the lost sheep so many hundreds and thousands

01:54:37.090 --> 01:54:45.790
 believed that he was the messiah and followed him so in my opinion the synagogue of satan could be

01:54:45.790 --> 01:54:51.950
 any number of religious houses and i in my personal view it's going to be a christian

01:54:51.950 --> 01:54:58.250
 house of worship we've just taken on for so long the idea of a cathedral or of a church and we

01:54:58.250 --> 01:55:04.770
 say church or an iglesia in spanish that root word of that being uh what's the root word of

01:55:04.770 --> 01:55:13.980
 iglesia it's like uh um well anyway so synagogue of satan don't necessarily think it has to be

01:55:13.980 --> 01:55:18.690
 the third temple or anything like that what do you think about that well when it when it talks in

01:55:18.690 --> 01:55:24.940
 matthew 24 uh in verse 15 and he says when you therefore shall see the abomination desolation

01:55:24.940 --> 01:55:30.740
 spoken of by daniel the prophet stand in the holy place how are you interpreting that i'm just kind

01:55:30.740 --> 01:55:36.570
 of curious because like i interpret that as him standing in the temple and but the temple has

01:55:36.570 --> 01:55:43.210
 been destroyed and it hasn't been and it's interesting that josephus wrote this jewish

01:55:43.210 --> 01:55:48.890
 roman historian he was i guess he was both roman and jewish but he observed the destruction you

01:55:48.890 --> 01:55:56.950
 know some of the end times prophecies i think it was an a um a way to sure the faith of christians

01:55:56.950 --> 01:56:02.780
 at that time was jesus's prophecies about the temple being destroyed and he said when you see

01:56:02.780 --> 01:56:09.840
 them circling about then you know it's time to go and to leave that city and the ones that stayed

01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:15.340
 were massacred and it's interesting that and uh sieged to death they starved and ate each other

01:56:15.340 --> 01:56:21.120
 it was horrible and josephus records that the roman soldiers went and surrounded the temple

01:56:21.120 --> 01:56:28.910
 surrounded jerusalem and then they left very interesting and jesus told them to watch for

01:56:28.910 --> 01:56:34.460
 when they encamped or surrounded the city excuse me i don't remember the bible verse but then that

01:56:34.460 --> 01:56:39.200
 would be the sign of the time to leave and a lot of them did leave a lot of christians did leave

01:56:39.200 --> 01:56:44.150
 at that time because they remembered his prophecy and then titus came back surrounded the city that

01:56:44.150 --> 01:56:52.240
 was the final one when they burned the temple the gold adorning all the instruments and everything

01:56:52.240 --> 01:56:58.500
 ran down in between the rocks of the temple according to josephus and the roman soldiers

01:56:58.500 --> 01:57:03.700
 literally took the stones apart to get the gold that had run down in between the cracks

01:57:03.700 --> 01:57:09.510
 uh very interesting not one stone left upon another and some people will argue oh that

01:57:09.510 --> 01:57:17.150
 that hasn't been fulfilled because of the foundation stones or certain blocks being there

01:57:17.150 --> 01:57:23.890
 that they're saying are part of the temple but i think it's a clear fulfillment of prophecy

01:57:23.890 --> 01:57:29.750
 jerusalem being destroyed in 70 ad or 71 hundred percent of that i do think that no stone has been

01:57:29.750 --> 01:57:35.800
 left unturned yeah i i of course agree with everything that you said as far as um the

01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:41.650
 fulfillment of titus fulfilling jesus christ prophecy of the temple being destroyed um i i

01:57:41.650 --> 01:57:49.750
 believe that a lot of matthew 24 is foreshadowing 70 ad specifically um but i also believe the bible

01:57:49.750 --> 01:57:56.460
 uses dual fulfillment or even triple fulfillment in senses where there's a type and a shadow of

01:57:56.460 --> 01:58:00.270
 something that's going to happen in the kind of the near future and then it also has a

01:58:00.820 --> 01:58:07.250
 in times significance as well um it's it's very clear that the antichrist has a kingdom

01:58:07.250 --> 01:58:13.060
 and that kingdom seems very clearly situated in jerusalem um the bible talks about obviously in

01:58:13.060 --> 01:58:19.490
 daniel the daily sacrifice being taken away uh to me it seems that the bible is kind of indicating

01:58:19.490 --> 01:58:25.460
 that the jews are going to go back to their blasphemous sacrifice and that what causes that

01:58:25.460 --> 01:58:31.260
 sacrifice to cease would be the messiah which we believe the messiah already came which is why we

01:58:31.260 --> 01:58:36.920
 have the cease the ceasing of that sacrifice but with the anti-christ if he's claiming to be the

01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:43.550
 messiah and the jews accept that then they would cease their sacrifice system and would worship

01:58:43.550 --> 01:58:50.420
 the specific the specific anti-christ there's a lot of isn't it pressure right now to build a temple

01:58:50.420 --> 01:58:56.900
 yes there is a lot of they're getting everything ready so that all is going on they you know the

01:58:57.850 --> 01:59:03.170
 heifers to dedicate that area but they're building the candlesticks and have all these

01:59:03.170 --> 01:59:10.050
 instruments in preparation but isn't it interesting that the sacrificial system never

01:59:10.050 --> 01:59:18.950
 really started up again like i never have heard of friends that go to uh synagogue on sabbath

01:59:18.950 --> 01:59:24.250
 doing a sacrifice so it's interesting like where where's the atonement that was what would atone

01:59:24.250 --> 01:59:31.780
 for sin there's the the yearly atonement as well yeah and it's very interesting that that

01:59:31.780 --> 01:59:37.790
 hasn't ever been fulfilled but for this question that you asked about because obviously we differ

01:59:37.790 --> 01:59:46.710
 about the daniel 70 weeks and without you know beating that horse to death um as you said earlier

01:59:46.710 --> 01:59:51.440
 about a different uh about elon musk or beat i don't remember he said beat the dog or something

01:59:51.440 --> 01:59:59.170
 but i would like to maybe take this take this time to point out some of the quotes from reformers so

01:59:59.170 --> 02:00:06.350
 instead of looking at this conversation as oh pastor shelly thinks this and uh brian thinks

02:00:06.350 --> 02:00:12.630
 this everyone needs to be studying this for themselves look at what all these different

02:00:12.630 --> 02:00:18.750
 people say it's not like pastor shelly or me or ben originated some of our views of the bible

02:00:18.750 --> 02:00:22.800
 because there's been conversations going on for hundreds of years about what all this means

02:00:23.350 --> 02:00:34.000
 and that's why i became super interested in what luther thought spurgeon john wesley about who the

02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:44.040
 man of sin was where was this um temple seated in the church of god is that what it said sorry what

02:00:44.040 --> 02:00:50.300
 was what was the matthew verse that mentions the uh matthew 24 15 talks about him standing in the

02:00:50.300 --> 02:00:56.440
 holy place and i also want to point out second thessalonians chapter two let no man deceive you

02:00:56.440 --> 02:01:01.200
 by any means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of

02:01:01.200 --> 02:01:06.690
 sin be revealed the son of petition who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called god

02:01:06.690 --> 02:01:14.850
 or that is worshiped so that he as god sitteth in the temple of god showing himself that he is god

02:01:14.850 --> 02:01:22.760
 indicating there's going to be a man of sin who sits in a temple a rebuilt temple yeah i think

02:01:22.760 --> 02:01:29.770
 that that verse does point to that but i'd love to use this as an exercise too so just as an

02:01:29.770 --> 02:01:36.670
 exercise and you know we tried elon musk does he fit this sure try an exercise of putting the pope

02:01:36.670 --> 02:01:44.490
 in that place here's uh anti-christ in his ten kingdoms by john wesley he's in an emphatic sense

02:01:44.490 --> 02:01:52.070
 the man of sin as he increases all measure of sin above measure and he is too properly styled the

02:01:52.070 --> 02:01:57.540
 son of perdition as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes you know you can just

02:01:57.540 --> 02:02:04.670
 study history of the holy roman church for that both of his opposers and of his followers he

02:02:04.670 --> 02:02:11.870
 exalted himself above that all that is called god so during all that time the pope had a monopoly

02:02:11.870 --> 02:02:17.970
 on what was god what could be seen as holy he could declare you to be a heretic claiming the

02:02:17.970 --> 02:02:24.710
 highest power and the highest honor claiming the prerogatives which belong to god alone so he

02:02:24.710 --> 02:02:30.560
 was going to interpret the scripture and give it to you and he is the vigor of christ and he is

02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:37.260
 standing in the place of christ so that's kind of how i you know i'm not dogmatic about it but how

02:02:37.260 --> 02:02:48.390
 i would broaden the application of the anti-christ to an extra jewish system i'm also perfectly

02:02:48.390 --> 02:02:58.310
 willing to exercise that same thought process with other candidates but whitecliff tendale luther

02:02:58.310 --> 02:03:06.160
 calvin kramer in the 17th century others the translators of the king james bible the men who

02:03:06.160 --> 02:03:11.680
 published the west minister and bablish uh baptist confessions of faith sir isaac newton

02:03:13.240 --> 02:03:21.040
 spurgeon these men among countless others all saw the office of the papacy as the antichrist

02:03:21.040 --> 02:03:28.520
 and that's from uh all roads lead to rome so that for me i'm not saying this to convince anyone

02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:36.150
 all i'm saying is like this has influenced my thought process on all these events you can't

02:03:36.150 --> 02:03:43.410
 look at this without studying history i think that it's definitely beneficial to just consider

02:03:43.410 --> 02:03:48.860
 what views exist and what views have existed throughout time you know a lot of these men

02:03:48.860 --> 02:03:54.950
 hold two positions that i certainly disagree with today so just because they may hold a specific

02:03:54.950 --> 02:04:00.110
 historical position i don't always necessarily say that that's right but i would say you know

02:04:00.110 --> 02:04:04.480
 when we talk about the anti-christ there's a verse that i thought of in first john 2

02:04:04.480 --> 02:04:10.040
 in verse 18 the bible says this little children it is the last time and as you have heard that

02:04:10.040 --> 02:04:18.490
 anti-christ shall come even now are there many anti-christ whereby we know that it is the last

02:04:18.490 --> 02:04:25.870
 time so the bible says of course there is a the anti-christ but then there's many anti-christ and

02:04:25.870 --> 02:04:33.790
 i think that it's very accurate to say that many popes have embodied that anti-christ spirit have

02:04:33.790 --> 02:04:40.000
 exhibited attributes that are similar and in character with the anti-christ but again i don't

02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:43.980
 believe that any of them were the anti-christ of course i don't think that that fits the revelation

02:04:43.980 --> 02:04:49.230
 model i believe the anti-christ is still coming that's what second thessalonians chapter two was

02:04:49.230 --> 02:04:55.850
 alluding to and again i think that it's impossible to have perfect hindsight when you're locked in

02:04:55.850 --> 02:05:00.620
 time obviously these men are dealing with scripture that they have right now and the the time that

02:05:00.620 --> 02:05:06.340
 they're dealing with and it's easy to point to the anti-christ of their day and say maybe this is the

02:05:06.340 --> 02:05:15.080
 guy but i think obviously from hindsight and having you know time on our side we can recognize okay

02:05:15.080 --> 02:05:22.060
 that guy embodied a lot of what an anti-christ is but wasn't the anti-christ mentioned of in 2nd

02:05:22.060 --> 02:05:27.800
 thessalonians chapter 2 mentioned of as the shadowing type in daniel matthew and alluded

02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:33.700
 to in revelation chapter 13 which receives a deadly mark this deadly wound comes back to life

02:05:33.700 --> 02:05:39.130
 and declares himself god where what would be the most blasphemous place on the earth to stand and

02:05:39.130 --> 02:05:44.550
 declare yourself god would be a temple saying that it's the temple of god so i do think that

02:05:44.550 --> 02:05:48.540
 that makes a lot of sense that that is what the bible is alluding to in the end times

02:05:48.540 --> 02:05:55.500
 what do you think about the former anti-christ popes ben do you have any problem with that or

02:05:55.500 --> 02:06:02.580
 that viewpoint no he's an anti-christ and there are many anti-christs just like the scripture says

02:06:02.580 --> 02:06:11.530
 i would say when it comes to the anti-christ i don't know i really i i shy away from even thinking of

02:06:11.530 --> 02:06:17.020
 candidates myself personally sure just because i really have no idea and i don't want to just

02:06:17.020 --> 02:06:21.230
 say something that's completely preposterous but a lot of people say he's going to be jewish i i've

02:06:21.230 --> 02:06:26.160
 kind of disagreed on that point i don't know if that's true or not i'm not sure but obviously

02:06:26.160 --> 02:06:33.820
 we're gonna have a debate on the red heifer in a in a few weeks great segue april 18th we're gonna

02:06:33.820 --> 02:06:41.560
 have a debate pastor roger amenez and i are going to debate against adam king and byron stinson

02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:48.050
 on specifically the red heifer and i i believe that my opponents in this specific debate

02:06:48.050 --> 02:06:53.780
 discussion believe that they're ushering in the messiah that's why they're so excited about this

02:06:53.780 --> 02:06:59.570
 red heifer and of course myself and pastor amenez would say that they're trying to usher in the

02:06:59.570 --> 02:07:05.600
 anti-christ himself but we got a nice uh poster here on the is the red heifer biblical we're

02:07:05.600 --> 02:07:10.160
 going to be talking about red heifers are they even mentioned in the bible talk about the daily

02:07:10.160 --> 02:07:15.320
 sacrifice talked about a possible third temple talk about the anti-christ talk about jews and

02:07:15.320 --> 02:07:21.170
 and everything else that's fun to talk about that's taboo uh it won't be on rumble i'm sorry won't be

02:07:21.170 --> 02:07:26.130
 on youtube i'm sorry it will be on rumble but that's because i'm not allowed on youtube yes

02:07:26.130 --> 02:07:30.650
 but this is why you know good information just isn't on youtube anymore right that's why you

02:07:30.650 --> 02:07:39.100
 got to go to info wars band.video sensor tv red pill tv you got red pill tv you gotta go to rumble

02:07:39.100 --> 02:07:44.150
 you gotta you gotta go find it in the dark web hey hell of a segue right there hell of a segue

02:07:44.150 --> 02:07:49.220
 you know ben ben shapiro is not the only person that can walk right into a promotional ad so

02:07:49.220 --> 02:07:52.700
 right the only problem for me is i don't get paid by any corporate sponsors so

02:07:53.580 --> 02:07:59.700
 you're getting spiritual bucks all right getting paid in spiritual bucks yeah and those are the

02:07:59.700 --> 02:08:05.180
 only uh currencies that matter yeah it's interesting why ben shapiro just hires a

02:08:05.180 --> 02:08:10.370
 bunch of catholics to work with him how does that how does that work seem to cause friction

02:08:10.370 --> 02:08:14.460
 lately didn't it well i think that they're they're pretty friendly towards each other

02:08:14.460 --> 02:08:18.580
 i don't think that candace is candace no she's not a catholic oh all right i believe that she's

02:08:18.580 --> 02:08:24.850
 married to a catholic but i think that she's more evangelical i don't do you know uh what

02:08:24.850 --> 02:08:31.260
 candace's religion is i'm pretty sure uh like she i mean actually i'm not going to speak

02:08:31.260 --> 02:08:37.370
 on that i have no idea yeah okay all i know is just trends of you know usually typically

02:08:37.370 --> 02:08:44.200
 people that i've known that marry and are one is you know one thing and one's catholic they'll

02:08:44.200 --> 02:08:48.990
 become catholic because it's more of a red line like hard hard line thing well but i have no idea

02:08:48.990 --> 02:08:54.880
 if it's surprising it would be surprising for a lady to marry a catholic and not be catholic

02:08:54.880 --> 02:08:59.390
 because typically i would think the wife would kind of follow in their husband's religion no

02:08:59.390 --> 02:09:05.040
 matter what religion even if you put apart catholicism but again i there was a debate i

02:09:05.040 --> 02:09:11.670
 believe between her husband and ali beth stuckey on specifically like dick like the differences

02:09:11.670 --> 02:09:16.800
 between protestantism and catholicism i believe like ali beth stuckey was representing like a

02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:23.400
 reformed baptist position maybe is kind of where she's at and then her husband was obviously

02:09:23.400 --> 02:09:28.780
 doing a catholic position and she was kind of like just a moderator or just like part of the

02:09:28.780 --> 02:09:32.160
 discussion i don't think that she was really even siding with her husband necessarily just

02:09:32.160 --> 02:09:37.340
 saying that he's really smart but i don't know i'm just interested i would be interested to

02:09:37.340 --> 02:09:43.290
 know what candace's positions really is on specifically uh christianity because i don't

02:09:43.290 --> 02:09:47.000
 know i've seen some old videos of her making fun of christianity so i have no idea if she even

02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:52.750
 believes what she believes i the i would love story was chance oh sorry sorry i was just gonna

02:09:52.750 --> 02:09:58.510
 say big stories april 18th debate make sure you tune in for that go ahead brian i was just going

02:09:58.510 --> 02:10:05.470
 to say i would love to encourage your audience to study uh reformation writers very interesting

02:10:05.470 --> 02:10:13.020
 study there's always um a way for different churches to better themselves right and it's

02:10:13.020 --> 02:10:17.870
 like even today we can look at churches and criticize them and it's a very very interesting

02:10:17.870 --> 02:10:28.950
 study to look at uh 15th century or 1500 1600 1700s all these reformers their criticisms of the

02:10:28.950 --> 02:10:35.400
 most popular church and then as they criticize each other like martin luther was a strong catholic

02:10:35.400 --> 02:10:43.040
 and he was probably a better catholic than most catholics and then he went to rome and saw the

02:10:43.040 --> 02:10:50.760
 hypocrisy just lavish living um like some of the descriptions of him seeing these parties and he

02:10:50.760 --> 02:10:57.770
 had a crisis of faith because he realized he was a part of a corrupt institution and it's not a dig

02:10:57.770 --> 02:11:02.590
 on the catholic church i'm just saying all the churches are going to be corrupt especially as

02:11:02.590 --> 02:11:07.010
 we get closer to the end times all the churches are in need of reproving all the churches are

02:11:07.010 --> 02:11:12.840
 in need of reforming and what how they reformed the church back then are what we're standing upon

02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:18.710
 now as baptists or presbyterians or whatever you are well i don't mind if you dig at the

02:11:18.710 --> 02:11:23.800
 catholic church because i abhorred the catholic church especially since in the 16th century of

02:11:23.800 --> 02:11:28.740
 the council of trent they basically made it clear they don't believe in the gospel at all they said

02:11:28.740 --> 02:11:33.750
 specifically that if you believe in faith alone that you're an anathema and they they killed

02:11:33.750 --> 02:11:43.770
 william tindale and they said in his sentencing first he maintains that faith alone justifies

02:11:43.770 --> 02:11:50.500
 well i believe that you know praise god that william tindale was willing to die on the hill of the

02:11:50.500 --> 02:11:55.610
 gospel uh secondly i believe the second charge against him was that he believed that all you

02:11:55.610 --> 02:11:59.970
 have to do is put your faith in the mercy offered in the gospel and you'd be saved and again

02:11:59.970 --> 02:12:04.660
 catholics were burning people at the stake for believing such things of course william

02:12:04.660 --> 02:12:09.650
 tindale was influential in bringing the bible into english allowing us to have the king james

02:12:09.650 --> 02:12:18.070
 bible we have today and i really appreciate a lot of these men i do think of course because they

02:12:18.070 --> 02:12:25.390
 were coming out of the catholic church a lot of them probably still had um some some levin that

02:12:25.390 --> 02:12:32.050
 they hadn't quite shaken off of and of course politically it was very difficult to say things

02:12:32.050 --> 02:12:37.600
 against the catholic church so i think a lot of times they maybe were a little soft on their

02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:44.360
 particular view so you know i do think there is some historical benefit in reading some of these

02:12:44.360 --> 02:12:49.480
 things or just figuring out what these people believe but generally i don't i don't like

02:12:49.480 --> 02:12:56.430
 you know calvin or uh wesley or many of these people's position i think they're wrong on a lot

02:12:56.430 --> 02:13:02.470
 of doctrine they have a lot of issues um that's why i have the baptist bias i'm not a protestant

02:13:02.470 --> 02:13:09.500
 i'm a baptist well one area where i feel like quotes can help would be when you're trying to

02:13:09.500 --> 02:13:16.700
 substantiate a particular scripture that's under attack and what i mean by this is many and not to

02:13:16.700 --> 02:13:24.460
 dive into the whole king james only issue but many would say that first john 5 7 doesn't belong in

02:13:24.460 --> 02:13:32.000
 the bible right many say the real ending of mark 16 does not belong in the bible and i do find it

02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:38.250
 interesting that you could find erinus of leon you can find some of these quotes of antiquity

02:13:38.250 --> 02:13:44.010
 that lend credence to the fact that these scriptures were there they were being used

02:13:44.560 --> 02:13:49.980
 and they were being preached from which helps to defend them from those who want to discredit or

02:13:49.980 --> 02:13:56.140
 invalidate them in our king james bible honestly i really have enjoyed this conversation someone

02:13:56.140 --> 02:14:05.150
 messaged in here how do we find your content brian and dot video and you've got a channel on there

02:14:05.150 --> 02:14:11.470
 scroll along there's tons of channels we need to get the baptist bias on bandah video i put

02:14:11.470 --> 02:14:17.990
 y'all's information to to the guy in charge of that last time and he kind of got back to me kind

02:14:17.990 --> 02:14:22.410
 of didn't but i think now i'll uh push them to to make that happen because if you're getting

02:14:22.410 --> 02:14:28.110
 censored out there then bandah video is the place for you it really is a great community of people

02:14:28.110 --> 02:14:33.000
 watching stuff there's all kinds of different christians on there i mean that's why i love

02:14:33.000 --> 02:14:39.920
 infowars it's a great platform for christians and for great patriots but it really has i feel like

02:14:39.920 --> 02:14:47.500
 god has raised it up specifically and withstood all of the attacks started bandah video after

02:14:47.500 --> 02:14:52.920
 youtube because a lot of this information would have been censored on youtube so just like you're

02:14:52.920 --> 02:14:58.690
 being censored on youtube christians need a good place they can go bandah video redpilled tv i

02:14:58.690 --> 02:15:04.290
 should have called it christpilled tv but i started it kind of in the beginning of my christian

02:15:04.290 --> 02:15:11.660
 revitalization wall i like the name i got stuck with the name it should be christpilled because

02:15:11.660 --> 02:15:16.170
 that's basically all the reports are about well you know it's funny i saw an owen schreuer clip

02:15:16.170 --> 02:15:22.110
 on this specific point he was talking about how he feels like podcasts like fresh and fit have

02:15:22.110 --> 02:15:29.380
 maybe been like a psyop to to take over the word red because it kind of used to mean red piled kind

02:15:29.380 --> 02:15:34.870
 of used to mean like you're aware of the truth and you understand what's going on in the political

02:15:34.870 --> 02:15:39.890
 sphere is that not what religious sphere and how a lot of people are trying to co-op that term

02:15:39.890 --> 02:15:47.450
 into what's the Manos fear or like being able to be a player and knowing how to you know manage all

02:15:47.450 --> 02:15:53.570
 these these you know women out there yeah I know what you mean it's kind of like it's kind of like

02:15:53.570 --> 02:16:01.700
 become like well I'm now a macho alpha male and I understand that women have you know these body

02:16:01.700 --> 02:16:07.510
 counts and I understand their value and I know how to play the game and it's like it's like I

02:16:07.510 --> 02:16:13.490
 guess their truth is only in like carnal ways of like taking advantage of women and it's just like

02:16:13.490 --> 02:16:20.650
 that's not really being red-pilled like from a more historical viewpoint. I agree like when you

02:16:20.650 --> 02:16:26.020
 probably came out with your channel and this term red pill is kind of the idea of like why know the

02:16:26.020 --> 02:16:30.870
 truth because let's trace the origin. The origin is coming from the matrix when he's offered the

02:16:30.870 --> 02:16:35.900
 red pill or the blue pill and the blue pill is to just stay in the system and be asleep at the wheel

02:16:35.900 --> 02:16:40.200
 and the red pill is to wake up and understand the truth about the reality of the world you live in.

02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:45.070
 Well we understand that Jesus Christ is the truth the way in the life and he says you should know

02:16:45.070 --> 02:16:48.980
 the truth and the truth shall make you free. You know it doesn't make you free getting in bondage

02:16:48.980 --> 02:16:54.320
 to fornication and horrors and all of the what the red pills trying to turn into that's not really

02:16:54.320 --> 02:16:58.390
 the red pill that's a fake pill and I thought it was great Owen's take on this was really good.

02:16:58.390 --> 02:17:03.890
 He handled himself well in that clip I think was on Twitter maybe I'll repost it on my Twitter

02:17:03.890 --> 02:17:08.440
 but you know that would be great to be on band.video we're walk we'll go on any platform

02:17:08.440 --> 02:17:13.560
 and we're just trying to bring our Baptist bias with us we actually got a website recently

02:17:13.560 --> 02:17:18.700
 baptistbias.com up and people can check it out it's a great way for people they don't know about us

02:17:18.700 --> 02:17:22.590
 because it's kind of hard of course the censorship machine loves to just ban you everywhere

02:17:22.590 --> 02:17:27.060
 and then they pretend like you're nobody and you got to appreciate pioneers like Alex who

02:17:27.060 --> 02:17:32.120
 gets banned from everything and then basically kind of had to reinvent himself build his own

02:17:32.120 --> 02:17:38.950
 platform and you know a lot of people are reaping the benefits of someone like Alex going out there

02:17:38.950 --> 02:17:44.340
 and pioneering a way to have a platform when no one else will give you one and to kind of build

02:17:44.340 --> 02:17:50.890
 your own system albeit it's on an infomercial read every five minutes but you know what hey

02:17:50.890 --> 02:17:57.370
 he figured out a way to get there and at the same time you know I think that Christians need to keep

02:17:57.370 --> 02:18:02.110
 innovating you know we shouldn't let censorship and being banned stop us from being creative stop

02:18:02.110 --> 02:18:08.030
 from putting stuff out there we can find a way to get people this information and even if we

02:18:08.030 --> 02:18:11.810
 didn't have the internet look the apostles didn't have the internet Christians haven't had the

02:18:11.810 --> 02:18:16.020
 internet the whole time we can still talk to the individual and I think that's where this is

02:18:16.020 --> 02:18:21.580
 important don't just stay only online I know a lot of people love watching podcasts and videos and

02:18:21.580 --> 02:18:26.340
 everything like that I like it too but you know open your Bible read your Bible when you run into

02:18:26.340 --> 02:18:32.530
 somebody open your Bible with them share with them what the Bible has to say and you know it you can

02:18:32.530 --> 02:18:37.780
 have a lot of great interactions with people in real life. I remember one of my co-workers a long

02:18:37.780 --> 02:18:44.760
 time ago he brought up 9/11 and I can't remember he was trying to explain to me how the gasoline

02:18:44.760 --> 02:18:50.380
 from the airplanes went down the shafts of the elevator and weakened the beams and that's what

02:18:50.380 --> 02:18:56.380
 caused them to slowly collapse and I just said hey just look up building seven. I said if you

02:18:56.380 --> 02:19:01.450
 want to know the truth about this issue just look up building seven and I didn't want to talk I

02:19:01.450 --> 02:19:04.860
 didn't want to argue and I didn't want to like cause work to be awkward so I just said I don't

02:19:04.860 --> 02:19:08.170
 really agree look at building seven. A couple weeks later he comes back to me he's like you're

02:19:08.170 --> 02:19:13.550
 totally right it was an inside job and like it was it was kind of cool to see someone actually

02:19:13.550 --> 02:19:18.560
 you know transform and so you know sometimes you just kind of have to put that bait out there a

02:19:18.560 --> 02:19:23.330
 little bit like hey look up this verse or you know hey check out this or whatever that wasn't

02:19:23.330 --> 02:19:27.140
 the good old days when youtube you could actually find cool stuff now now it's a little bit harder

02:19:27.140 --> 02:19:32.170
 but now you gotta go to rumble maybe now it's like hey check out red hill tv yeah check out

02:19:32.170 --> 02:19:38.170
 this video the band.tv yeah exactly and check out check out the band.tv video excuse me i botched

02:19:38.170 --> 02:19:43.360
 it i apologize band.video yeah we gotta use we gotta use the internet while we can because if

02:19:43.360 --> 02:19:48.440
 people are gonna in the future be killed for not taking the mark i doubt they're gonna be online

02:19:48.440 --> 02:19:53.600
 talking about the gospel well one thing i really like about alex jones too is his rants

02:19:54.000 --> 02:20:00.310
 i think those rants are fantastic i love the passion that's where you get it i have listened

02:20:00.310 --> 02:20:06.160
 to hours and hours and hours of alex jones and and frankly speaking i probably have

02:20:06.160 --> 02:20:13.660
 learned a little bit about you know from him on on just demonstrating that that passion and and

02:20:13.660 --> 02:20:19.570
 anger really righteous anger so i like alex in that way he always seems on like he like i've

02:20:19.570 --> 02:20:24.000
 never really watched him he's like low energy like i don't know how i don't know how he can just be

02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:30.630
 like high energy for four hours straight but the guy's got some leather lungs you say that for sure

02:20:30.630 --> 02:20:36.020
 oh yeah he's been doing it a long time it's the 30 year anniversary coming up here in the middle

02:20:36.020 --> 02:20:43.330
 of the month of info wars how long he's been doing it you know four hour show six days a week he's

02:20:43.330 --> 02:20:50.870
 he's a he's a pro and i think god's definitely using him to wake people up and as long as he

02:20:50.870 --> 02:20:56.240
 keeps info wars going hey actually to your viewers or wait you know what before i do that is there

02:20:56.240 --> 02:21:00.680
 any more like calls or comments i was kind of excited about the call yeah i don't i think we

02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:08.030
 had one more question let me see if i can find uh the question that someone had put in the chat

02:21:08.030 --> 02:21:13.550
 uh it was specifically do you think that the tribulation will be the greatest opportunity

02:21:13.550 --> 02:21:20.610
 to demonstrate faith in all history i i think so and i think that it's exciting to have that kind

02:21:20.610 --> 02:21:25.950
 of an opportunity i think what's cool is because you read about all these miracles like Daniel

02:21:25.950 --> 02:21:32.690
 um being delivered from the lion's den you see uh Shadrach Meshach and Abednego delivered from

02:21:32.690 --> 02:21:39.860
 the fiery furnace you you see kind of these these awesome events where men take bold stands and they

02:21:39.860 --> 02:21:45.620
 are delivered and i believe that since Daniel is a prophetic book that it's very likely that we could

02:21:45.620 --> 02:21:51.090
 see Christians doing the same thing as Shadrach Meshach and Abednego as Daniel where they take

02:21:51.090 --> 02:21:56.400
 bold stands they make known the mystery of the gospel they stand against the oppositions there

02:21:56.400 --> 02:22:00.200
 and then they're even raptured they're delivered they don't even actually get martyred of course

02:22:00.200 --> 02:22:04.910
 i do believe there will be a lot of faithful martyrs as well but i think it is an opportunity

02:22:04.910 --> 02:22:11.350
 to be in one of the greatest generation you know to ever live one of the greatest opportunities to

02:22:11.350 --> 02:22:16.700
 ever live um you know the bible has long periods of time where it's kind of silent on a particular

02:22:16.700 --> 02:22:21.800
 issue but if we end up being in the book of revelation that would be an honor what do you

02:22:21.800 --> 02:22:27.940
 think ben yeah the more the more oh sorry go ahead brian no good no the more people we tell about

02:22:27.940 --> 02:22:35.590
 these prophecies in revelation in the bible then the more people will be have that moment if things

02:22:35.590 --> 02:22:41.120
 start happening in their lifetime where they can go oh my i remember that he's that guy told me

02:22:41.120 --> 02:22:45.490
 that this was going to happen and i heard that sermon that this was going to happen so even

02:22:45.490 --> 02:22:50.480
 though judgment would be upon us at that time you're right it would it's going to be a powerful time

02:22:50.480 --> 02:22:57.600
 to witness and yeah i'd be honored to you know go through a test being thrown into a fiery furnace

02:22:57.600 --> 02:23:06.940
 where only the ropes burn you know and i'm there with christ protecting me the apostle paul wrote

02:23:06.940 --> 02:23:13.750
 and many of the brethren in the lord waxing confident by my bonds are much more bold to

02:23:13.750 --> 02:23:19.800
 speak the word without fear and i think that when you see christians who are willing to stand up

02:23:21.260 --> 02:23:25.880
 when the music is playing like daniel chapter three describes with shadrach mishach and abednego it

02:23:25.880 --> 02:23:31.520
 gives you that boldness that you can do the same thing and so yes i would say the tribulation

02:23:31.520 --> 02:23:36.450
 period for sure is going to be a time where christians can demonstrate their faith in

02:23:36.450 --> 02:23:42.850
 arguably the most powerful way being willing to preach the entire bible believe the entire bible

02:23:42.850 --> 02:23:47.770
 preach the word of god get people saved in the face of opposition in the face of an antichrist

02:23:47.770 --> 02:23:54.220
 who's going to think to change times and laws and make it illegal for us to do so absolutely

02:23:54.220 --> 02:23:59.170
 yeah well you know there's a book called the fox's book of martyrs and i'm not saying that this is

02:23:59.170 --> 02:24:05.070
 authoritative because we don't really know but if you read the first section of this book it's kind

02:24:05.070 --> 02:24:10.390
 of interesting because it's talking about the it's kind of in a chronology it's like in a timeline

02:24:10.390 --> 02:24:15.710
 so it's trying to talk about some of the first christians apart from christ that many of them

02:24:16.350 --> 02:24:21.910
 when they were confronted by the political powers who wanted to kill them for their beliefs

02:24:21.910 --> 02:24:27.270
 many times the leaders felt so much pressure to not martyr them or torture them or kill them

02:24:27.270 --> 02:24:32.920
 because of the people but then the christians would actually say like no you are going to

02:24:32.920 --> 02:24:39.730
 martyr me like they didn't want to be given grace or be spared they were like no you are

02:24:39.730 --> 02:24:43.690
 going to martyr me and they would they would kind of bend over backwards to try and give them a

02:24:44.720 --> 02:24:50.610
 way out and they wouldn't take it it kind of makes me think of you know Braveheart i'm sure a lot of

02:24:50.610 --> 02:24:56.550
 people have seen that scene but in the end part of Braveheart the guy's trying to offer him mercy

02:24:56.550 --> 02:25:02.500
 he keeps like saying like hey just you know we'll give you the mercy and he gives that last scream

02:25:02.500 --> 02:25:10.080
 right at the end just freedom and it is just to illustrate like he cares more about the principle

02:25:10.080 --> 02:25:16.870
 than he does the pain and you know that's that's an interesting level of boldness you know I don't

02:25:16.870 --> 02:25:20.600
 know that I would say God willing I would have that kind of boldness you never know what it's

02:25:20.600 --> 02:25:27.550
 going to be like until you're there but at the end of the day that would be really to me the

02:25:27.550 --> 02:25:32.390
 ultimate achievement as a as a Christian is to die for Christ to be a partaker of Christ's

02:25:32.390 --> 02:25:38.140
 sufferings and to see it to the end. I think obviously if you're an old man I mean I don't

02:25:38.140 --> 02:25:41.800
 know maybe that's easier to want to do at that point because you kind of feel like you've lived

02:25:41.800 --> 02:25:46.960
 your life. I think it'd be a much harder sacrifice as a young man um people that would be willing to

02:25:46.960 --> 02:25:51.840
 die. Do you have children? Yeah like someone like an Isaac you know who's being offered on the altar

02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:57.230
 by his father or chepta's daughter or you know. We know that this has happened and it's described

02:25:57.230 --> 02:26:04.660
 in Hebrews chapter 11. Yeah. Verse 35 and others were tortured not accepting deliverance that they

02:26:04.660 --> 02:26:10.770
 might obtain a better resurrection. Yeah so I mean again that is biblical whether or not those

02:26:10.770 --> 02:26:16.650
 stories in Vaca's Book of Martyrs are perfectly accurate who knows but it does seem like that is

02:26:16.650 --> 02:26:23.860
 a concept that's out there so I find it kind of interesting somebody wants to play our clip.

02:26:23.860 --> 02:26:29.750
 I guess I don't know should we play the Alex clip about the Collins or what? I say go for it.

02:26:30.520 --> 02:26:37.510
 Let's add a little comedy. All right let's see we got some calling problems.

02:26:37.510 --> 02:26:44.260
 We talked a lot about a lot of serious topics tonight. This is a break. If you have young

02:26:44.260 --> 02:26:52.470
 children you may plug their ears. All right go. Yes turn the radio off.

02:26:52.470 --> 02:27:14.400
 I'm sorry I love you Frank go ahead. Can you hear me? Yeah of course I can hear you.

02:27:14.400 --> 02:27:22.650
 I just want to tell you. John we're going to break here. When were you arrested?

02:27:22.650 --> 02:27:45.140
 Okay. Come again. John when were you arrested? It's like these guys are trolling him. I know.

02:27:47.080 --> 02:27:51.920
 You're such a blind faith when you're like all right we're going to go to collar jaw and it's like.

02:27:51.920 --> 02:27:58.800
 Well I've called in to the show twice to the Alex Jones show and I'm telling you

02:27:58.800 --> 02:28:02.700
 man it's a little nerve-racking because I want to be on the ball. First of all I don't want to get

02:28:02.700 --> 02:28:06.440
 screamed at but second you want to be on the ball you want to make sure you contribute something

02:28:06.440 --> 02:28:12.260
 and I remember the first time I called in to he went on this like epic rant about Obama or

02:28:12.260 --> 02:28:15.600
 something like that and then he's like all right let's go to Ben and it just felt like I wanted

02:28:15.600 --> 02:28:20.410
 to meet him I wanted to rant with him right there and I did and it was a lot of fun but yeah I can

02:28:20.410 --> 02:28:25.370
 see he does love when you scream if you just start off and say I want to hear your war cry and he

02:28:25.370 --> 02:28:32.160
 loves that yeah but hey here's here's two of his books anyone out there is interested in supporting

02:28:32.160 --> 02:28:39.470
 the info war and bandai video we have first the great uh resets which was his first one and then

02:28:39.470 --> 02:28:45.820
 the answer to their evil plan most likely devised by satan behind the scenes you have the great

02:28:45.820 --> 02:28:55.710
 awakening so aside from your bible this might be a nice in the evening great reset and hey

02:28:55.710 --> 02:29:01.750
 maybe you could get yourself a signed copy oh nice you see that oh there you go there you go

02:29:01.750 --> 02:29:06.670
 info war store.com have you read either of those books i have not yet but i might have to now

02:29:06.670 --> 02:29:14.390
 look at that he touched info war store.com alex jones i've used brain force it's pretty good

02:29:14.390 --> 02:29:19.320
 brain force plus you might need a little more i need it i need to pop one before every episode

02:29:19.320 --> 02:29:23.670
 yeah especially when you're drinking coke and eating mcdonald's yeah i need to make up for it

02:29:23.670 --> 02:29:32.140
 somehow right so your turbo force is way too strong it's crazy well my father-in-law loves

02:29:32.140 --> 02:29:37.300
 the info war store products as well he owns a bunch oh nice there's a lot of i mean there's

02:29:37.300 --> 02:29:42.550
 a lot of crossover obviously from that i've passed pastor steven aderson got to go on the

02:29:42.550 --> 02:29:47.800
 alex jones show at one point and promote uh some of his films i believe after the tribulation was

02:29:47.800 --> 02:29:52.420
 the film after the tribulation and also alex promoted new world little bible versions alex also promoted

02:29:52.420 --> 02:29:57.510
 new world little bible versions for us back in the day yeah so you know that's that's pretty cool

02:29:57.510 --> 02:30:03.160
 that there was some crossover there and uh i think a lot of people found pastor anderson from info

02:30:03.160 --> 02:30:09.200
 war specifically and that helped them to you know find the truth about the gospel to get saved to

02:30:09.200 --> 02:30:15.900
 be zealous about christianity to get the king james bible and to ultimately get the baptist bias

02:30:15.900 --> 02:30:20.520
 so and that's where you know we're coming from we want people to get the baptist bias

02:30:20.520 --> 02:30:24.900
 and we're trying to go out there in an ugly world a dark world and bring some of the light with us

02:30:24.900 --> 02:30:30.000
 which is the scripture you know we talked about an interesting subject tonight the end times prophecy

02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:34.950
 of course there's differing views out there the bible shines through though as the truth we always

02:30:34.950 --> 02:30:38.770
 want to trust the bible no matter what opinion that we have we always want to be willing to

02:30:38.770 --> 02:30:43.590
 change our mind i thought this was a really cool discussion i really appreciate you coming on the

02:30:43.590 --> 02:30:49.540
 show brian do you have any last thoughts for us before we kind of wrap up i really appreciate

02:30:49.540 --> 02:30:55.390
 you guys having me and definitely king james bible all the way the new world order bible

02:30:55.390 --> 02:31:02.500
 translations is a great expose on where we get our bible from in those translations and funny

02:31:02.500 --> 02:31:09.220
 enough i found a really good mormon breakdown of the bible translations online i don't remember

02:31:09.220 --> 02:31:15.170
 what group it was but it was actually pretty solid information it synced up with stuff in the new

02:31:15.170 --> 02:31:20.980
 world order bible translations but i highly recommend everyone watch that documentary

02:31:20.980 --> 02:31:27.520
 because when you are witnessing to non-christians especially that's going to be a topic that comes

02:31:27.520 --> 02:31:33.150
 up is how can you trust the bible why would i trust the bible and then once someone gets over

02:31:33.150 --> 02:31:39.150
 that hump and they say okay god's real i want to go on this path then the question comes which

02:31:39.150 --> 02:31:47.350
 which is which bible translation is god capable of preserving his word and i think the answer is yes

02:31:47.350 --> 02:31:52.310
 amen well you know we we actually made a documentary about that it's like a 10 years

02:31:52.310 --> 02:31:58.030
 after new world order bible versions it's called the preserved bible you can actually watch it for

02:31:58.030 --> 02:32:04.460
 free online too if you just go to preservebible.com you can check it out uh brother ben and i worked

02:32:04.460 --> 02:32:09.290
 on this for a couple years and i was really pleased with the production value and it does

02:32:09.290 --> 02:32:15.610
 give you a little bit of that historicity coming from that reformation time period and what many

02:32:15.610 --> 02:32:21.510
 of those men did in order to get us the king james bible specifically and why it's different

02:32:21.510 --> 02:32:26.120
 than all the other bibles we believe the king james bible is the preserved bible and that

02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:31.140
 the other ones are really just kind of cheap imitations frauds and and they've got a lot of

02:32:31.140 --> 02:32:36.250
 problems with them what do you think about the preserved bible new world of bible versions

02:32:36.250 --> 02:32:42.000
 which is your favorite put me on the spot here i'm gonna say new world order bible versions has the

02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:48.170
 edge but i do think that they're both excellent films for sure and they come at this issue from

02:32:48.170 --> 02:32:52.470
 different perspectives anyway i think new world order bible versions focuses more on the fact

02:32:52.470 --> 02:33:00.530
 that the modern bible versions are the product of a globalist satanic conspiracy to corrupt god's

02:33:00.530 --> 02:33:05.400
 word and goes into great detail on how they differ from the king james version whereas the preserved

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 bible i think offers more of a scholarly take gives you the history timeline that you described

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 and i think more so highlights the doctrine of preservation and how king james onlyism actually

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 aligns with the doctrine of preservation and the modern versions do not and goes into detail on how

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 the king james is based on a lineage that goes all the way back to the original greek and hebrew

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 and the received text versus the critical text as well is a topic and subject matter that's covered

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 in a lot more detail in the preserved bible and if you liked nwo bible versions you will love

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 the preserved bible including some it i should say it also includes some returning characters

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 like joe lamp pastor anderson of course so i think uh definitely if you like the chat agrees with you

02:33:52.750 --> 02:33:58.000
 they say new world of bible for the win sorry pastor hey it's like my favorite documentary too

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 i love it i just i just wanted to make another film on the on the subject and you know chanister

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 adants pastor anderson said he liked preserve bible better yeah so there you go teach their own

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 right the grass is always greener on the other side but shout out to our audience thanks for

02:34:12.560 --> 02:34:18.110
 watching us live you put us on the front page we're uh i think in fifth place on the podcast

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 on the home page of rumble for you guys tuning in live also you want to tune in live next week we

02:34:26.100 --> 02:34:30.210
 really have to plug this make sure you're tuning in live because we're going to be doing a live

02:34:30.810 --> 02:34:37.500
 call in show with pastor stephen anderson it's going to be a q and a show so you can email us

02:34:37.500 --> 02:34:43.920
 questions at info at baptist bias.com or you can put them in the chat or you can call in

02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:49.970
 we're going to be prioritizing the call in questions the most but if you also want to

02:34:49.970 --> 02:34:54.080
 put one in the chat or even email us we're going to have a huge list of other questions that we're

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 going to bring on but it's going to be a free for all bring your questions these call in shows can

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 be a lot of fun but of course we want to have a live and active audience so you're going to want

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 to call in two three one baptist you want to check us live 8 p.m on tuesday night pastor anderson is

02:35:10.570 --> 02:35:14.730
 going to be uh taking calls we're going to be taking calls we want to get your questions

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 i'm excited about next week's show too next week's going to be a huge show and we want audience

02:35:19.430 --> 02:35:28.630
 participation so make sure you call in be involved next tuesday night 8 p.m central time q and a with

02:35:28.630 --> 02:35:33.450
 pastor steven anderson yeah and i really appreciate will you be answering some questions as well pastor

02:35:33.450 --> 02:35:38.860
 shelly won't yeah of course yeah we're all on the show it's just we we're obviously having a guest

02:35:38.860 --> 02:35:43.390
 too so if you want to ask our guests or us any kind of question we'll talk about anything we're

02:35:43.390 --> 02:35:49.670
 not afraid to talk about any subject whatsoever and and honestly the show flew by really quickly

02:35:49.670 --> 02:35:55.680
 i really enjoyed our previous discussion i enjoyed this one we'd love to have you come on again in

02:35:55.680 --> 02:36:01.870
 the future uh i i like your videos that you make there on red pill tv brother brian and i appreciate

02:36:01.870 --> 02:36:06.440
 you being willing to you're such a good sport to have any kind of conversation and talk about the

02:36:06.440 --> 02:36:12.870
 bible and i just love people that are zealous for the bible amen so thanks so much for coming i love

02:36:12.870 --> 02:36:19.880
 being on man i really appreciate it and you know jesus is the way truth and the life and eat your

02:36:19.880 --> 02:36:27.020
 bread and drink your water and if if jesus is your friend then talk to him talk you don't you don't

02:36:27.020 --> 02:36:33.440
 not talk to your friends right all right love you guys well thanks so much for coming on the show

02:36:33.440 --> 02:36:36.980
 that's going to pretty much do it for us i want to make sure i get all the right plugs in

02:36:36.980 --> 02:36:45.680
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 you can give us your email we send out emails about the show also we have upcoming show this

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 tuesday at 8 p.m pastor steven anderson it's going to be a call-in show you want to check it out

02:36:56.670 --> 02:37:02.990
 i also want to mention that we're going to have a really epic debate it's coming up on april 18th

02:37:02.990 --> 02:37:08.720
 at 9 p.m so it's a little bit later it's a thursday and we're going to have a two-on-two

02:37:08.720 --> 02:37:15.080
 pastor roger amenez and myself are going to be debating byron stinson and adam king adam

02:37:15.080 --> 02:37:23.350
 king was actually on a pretty uh pretty popular debate uh with the legislature hosted a debate

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 it was between nick fuentes and vincent james against gavin mcginnis and adam king and i got

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 a lot of views on their rumble show uh so i'm i'm pretty excited about this show i think adam king

02:37:35.920 --> 02:37:43.900
 lost his own gavin walked out when adam king proclaimed basically said he would eliminate

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 catholicism would rather get rid of catholicism than islam it was a pretty epic uh debate a lot

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 of people checked it out um i don't know what kind of anticipation we're going to have

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